[03:31] <bcurtiswx> bug #335696, i think i've led the person in the right direction and they've provided a debug.. what should i be looking to do next
[03:35] <vocx> bcurtiswx, funny, I've been investigating nautilus with gdb lately and I believe that way to run it is improper because nautilus kinda forkes or something.
[03:36] <bcurtiswx> vocx, really? interesting..
[03:36] <vocx> first open a terminal then, "nautilus --quit" and then do the "gdb nautilus"  ...   also, nautilus has dependencies, so maybe it makes sense to install debug packages for gtk2 and glib2 at least
[03:38] <bcurtiswx> vocx: i was just going by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[03:39] <vocx> Notice how in the backtrace there are several "No symbol table info available" the library immediately before is the one that needs debugging code also.
[03:39] <bcurtiswx> vocx: theres nothing dealing with nautilus, so its even harder to know where to go from there.. It would be nice if you know enough, to make a nautilus debug and add it to there?
[03:39] <vocx> bcurtiswx, I know, I was following that too, but in the case of nautilus I feel it is kind of "special"
[03:43] <bcurtiswx> vocx: so suggest a libc debug?
[03:44] <vocx> bcurtiswx, libc6-dbg puts a lot of stuff in the backtrace so no I don't suggest installing it.
[03:44] <bcurtiswx> vocx: ok, so how should I direct the user?
[03:45] <vocx> Well, I don't have an FTP server, so I can only give you this knowledge: apparently nautilus is started automatically, and even if you do not see a "File Browser" window there is a nautilus process running. So immediately after logging in, run "nautilus --quit" to terminate it. Then, with no nautilus running, do the "dbg nautilus" as described in the wiki page. That way you don't have to attach to the process ID.
[03:46] <bcurtiswx> ok, thx
[03:49] <vocx> I imagine nautilus depends heavily on "libgtk2" and "libglib2" so I suggest installing at least "libgtk2.0-0-dbg" and "libglib2.0-0-dbg"  from there the remaining missing symbols could be due to other libraries like "libatk"
[03:54] <bcurtiswx> so its a crapshoot basically
[03:58] <vocx> I'm not familiar with that term...heh
[04:03] <bcurtiswx> casino game craps
[04:04] <bcurtiswx> its ok, its late for me, and things come from my finger i don't get sometimes
[04:04] <bcurtiswx> fingers*
[04:04] <vocx> Now, it would be nice to see a real crash, I don't know it that is what SIGABRT means. I had a problem with nautilus too, and it didn't actually crash, it responded after 3 minutes or so. So at first I didn't know what to do, now I know the cause of the problem was that Assistive Technologies was turned on. Perhaps it's nothing but check that option is turned off, System > Preferences
[04:42] <patanachai> Hi
[04:42] <patanachai> bug #320247 > wishlist
[04:47] <Ryan52> patanachai: please point the reporter to the brainstorm thingy.
[04:47] <Ryan52> there's a stock response for that on the wiki.
[04:49] <patanachai> will do, thanks
[04:50] <Ryan52> and then I'll wishlist it.
[04:50] <Ryan52> so ping me once you do that.
[04:54] <patanachai> Ryan52: done
[04:54] <Ryan52> wishlisted.
[04:54] <Ryan52> patanachai: thanks
[10:04] <linard_> Hi everyone,
[10:04] <linard_> I have read that this is the place to be for bug requests
[10:04] <linard_> so here is mine
[10:04] <linard_> Request for setting "Importance" of bug #335422 to "Wishlist".
[10:05] <linard_> ehm, nice bot :)
[10:05] <linard_> So if someone needs more info,
[10:06] <linard_> or I'm doing something wrong,
[10:06] <linard_> just give me a call :)
[14:46] <slick666> is there anyone who can triage bug 332211?
[14:46] <slick666> The user seems to have provided all the information needed but I can't confirm because of specific hardware
[14:58] <bcurtiswx> slick666: It would still help the devs to have the version of ubuntu that user has as well as the version of the package in question.  Try to grab those.
[14:59] <slick666> ah, didn't think of that
[14:59] <slick666> will do
[15:03] <slick666> bcurtiswx the user doesn't specify a package for the issue of screen dimness would the hal version do?
[15:05] <bcurtiswx> slick666: yeah, this appears to be issues with HAL and their video card
[15:05] <slick666> cool
[15:05] <slick666> thanks
[15:07] <slick666> bcurtiswx, if you or anyone else is willing to also look at bug 332610.
[15:07] <bcurtiswx> slick666: i don't see what video card they have, that would come useful
[15:08] <slick666> This one has all the info as well as the versions
[15:08] <slick666> ah
[15:14] <andresmujica> hi ya!
[15:15] <bcurtiswx> hey andresmujica
[15:16] <slick666> yo
[15:18] <andresmujica> gonna read all those bugmails i've got pending...lost the count ... :)
[15:18] <slick666> lol
[15:20] <bcurtiswx> haha, yeah thats the hardest thing.. its easy to start into a bug... but then you get bugmail swamped
[15:25] <andresmujica> yeah
[15:43] <vocx> bcurtiswx, about the bug you reported a few hours ago, make sure these packages are installed "nautilus-dbg", "libgtk2.0-0-dbg" and "libglib2.0-0-dbg" and run "gdb" again. The backtraces provided by the user contain no debugging info.
[15:44] <bcurtiswx> yeah i also requested an STrace, i will grab that info too
[15:46] <bcurtiswx> vocx: thx, and requested
[15:48] <vocx> Also tell him to wait. Don't kill nautilus. Let it sit there for 5 or 10 minutes. Maybe it just hangs for a while. When he is completely sure that nautilus doesn't respond anymore then yes, kill it byt the 1 minute mark.  By the way, is there any CPU activity while trying to load the tab. Check "top", or better install "htop", to see processes taking CPU time during that period.
[15:49] <bcurtiswx> vocx: feel free to add to the bug report yourself :)
[15:49] <vocx> aaaw, I don't want to steal your thunder...
[15:50] <bcurtiswx> vocx: theres no such thing in bug triage.  The goal is to get these bugs triaged, its not a competition
[15:51] <bcurtiswx> well, i've gotta get ready to run out and take care of a few things
[15:51] <bcurtiswx> adios
[15:51] <vocx> it is not? mmm... why?
[16:25] <Laibsch> how do I get dch to default to jaunty?
[16:25] <Laibsch> now it thinks I want to prepare an intrepid package
[16:26] <Laibsch> and I have to manually correct
[16:26] <Laibsch> it
[17:07] <vocx> Anybody can try to reproduce this bug: remove "gnome-orca", then System > Preferences > Assistive Technologies, check "Enable assitive technologies", then "Close and Log Out" and log back in. Then try to open with nautilus a directory with several subdirectories and files, like /usr/bin or /usr/lib. The result is that nautilus uses 100% CPU and takes 4 minutes or more to show the directory. Apparently was causes this behavior is "/usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-re
[17:07] <vocx> gistryd".
[17:10] <BUGabundo> vocx: python probs
[17:10] <BUGabundo> its in migration so many packages are now incomplete
[17:11] <vocx> BUGabundo, it is a know issue? Can you clarify what you mean? There is a package called python-at-spi I believe but it is not installed.
[17:12] <BUGabundo> just a sex
[17:14] <BUGabundo> vocx: can't find the email about it
[17:14] <BUGabundo> but it has to do with python migration to 2.6
[17:14] <vocx> I can see that the package "at-spi" provides "/usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd" and "/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libatk-bridge.so" which maybe what causes this too. I was thinking of filing a bug report on "nautilus" or "at-spi", but if you know of a bug report that would be preferable.
[17:16] <BUGabundo> I don't
[17:16] <BUGabundo> we all just got that email alerting to the changes
[17:16] <BUGabundo> and rufe spots we would see and expect
[17:16] <BUGabundo> for a while
[17:16] <BUGabundo> 2 days at least for main
[17:17] <BUGabundo> and much longer for universe
[17:24] <vocx> BUGabundo, still I don't see how this relates to python. If you find that email, let me know.
[17:25] <BUGabundo> okay
[17:25] <YoBoY> hi
[17:26] <BUGabundo> need to grep my archive
[17:26] <IntuitiveNipple> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000541.html
[17:27] <BUGabundo> thanks IntuitiveNipple
[17:27] <BUGabundo> I should have looked on announce
[17:27] <BUGabundo> duh
[17:29] <charlie-tca> How did you get that?
[17:30] <vocx> IntuitiveNipple, BUGabundo thanks. Although... I don't know how to say this... But I should have mentioned that this bug I'm talking about does not concern 9.04.  I'm using 8.10. I don't test the newer versions. I should have mentioned that first, heh.
[17:31] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[17:31] <IntuitiveNipple> vocx: Your problem rings a bell from a long time ago. I think I briefly encountered something similar
[17:31] <BUGabundo> I'm just to used to the noise in +1
[17:33] <vocx> IntuitiveNipple, can you try the steps to reproduce it? The ugly part is logging out and back in, because it interrupts your work...
[17:33] <IntuitiveNipple> vocx: I can't, sorry. I'm using Jaunty
[17:34] <vocx> IntuitiveNipple, well try it there too, that's the idea... to improve the newer versions too.
[17:34] <IntuitiveNipple> I do recall there was a simplish solution though, to stopping nautilus doing the silly thing
[17:36] <vocx> The simple solution is to uncheck the box with Assitive Technologies, but you need to log out and back. Maybe I'll try renaming libatk-bridge.so? to libatk-bridge.so.old
[17:38] <IntuitiveNipple> vocx: Is it a 64-bit or 32-bit system?
[17:38] <YoBoY> bug 33069 << what can i do for this old bug, the report concern the "provided packages" search and it seem's synaptic is still working like described
[17:39] <vocx> IntuitiveNipple,  32-bit
[17:46] <vocx> YoBoY, I think I understand Vogt.    The "Provided package" is not a real package, more like a "virtual" package that is provided by one or many real packages. So in fact it is NOT dpkg -S
[17:50] <YoBoY> yes i know, but this bug is still open since 2006... not very efficient :p
[17:50] <vocx> YoBoY, perhaps what needs to be clarified is the specific problem, and the expected behavior. Since Synaptic is an administrative program, I'd assume that people know what a Provided Package is. But if we want to remove the confusion then that search option could be removed or perhaps moved to some "advance search" feature.
[17:52] <YoBoY> well i can modify the description, make a use case and we can convert it to a wishlist perhaps ?
[17:52] <vocx> Yes, that is what I think would be a good solution.
[17:52] <YoBoY> ok
[17:55] <vocx> If "the provided package search function doesn't work as dpkg -S" is the problem, then it is actually not a problem, and Vogt should have set the bug as invalid, or as a wishlist long time ago.
[17:56] <YoBoY> yep
[17:56] <YoBoY> i try to make it more clear a
[17:58] <vocx> The "search by name option" does seem to work as "dpkg -S" so it is more intuitive for those who try to find a real package.
[18:01] <YoBoY> no, there is no dpkg -S équivalent in synaptic yet
[18:05] <vocx> Right I was confusing its behavior. Then what does "search by name" do internally?
[18:06] <YoBoY> search the name of the package?
[18:07] <vocx> Ah, right, probably something like "apt-cache search <package>" or "aptitude search <package>"    ....woo need to take my vitamins
[18:07] <YoBoY> yep
[18:07] <YoBoY> :)
[18:31] <YoBoY> well bug 33069 -> i choose to invalid it (it's to old to make it a wishlist now)
[19:09] <YoBoY> bug 37786 -> should be marked as wishlist, it's a default preference discussion
[19:52] <vocx> YoBoY, yes, seems proper. Although the bug summary should be changed then to something like "display the gnome-power-manager icon in the notification area by default".
[20:11] <maco> vocx: its not a notification, so i expect itd get e wontfix anyway
[20:11] <maco> things that aren't "notifying" arent supposed to hang around in the notification area
[20:12] <maco> mpt'd be the person to ask though, i think
[20:13] <vocx> maco, well that is one discussion, the other being what should be the default: always showing or showing only without AC <--- this is what should be considered a wishlist
[20:14] <bcurtiswx> vocx: yeah that bug is a wishlist topic
[20:16] <vocx> about being a notification or not, I'm under the impression that it's because of hal. There is a "battery charge applet" however it says "Legacy (non hal) backend enabled", so I ssume that a new applet, which is not in the notification area, should be hal-aware or whatever. Besides, are the gnome people the ones that decide on this? Or is it specific to Ubuntu?
[20:16] <maco> vocx: i believe the current default is to show when discharging (unplugged) and when charging (plugged but not fully charged yet)
[20:16] <bcurtiswx> maco: yes that is default
[20:17] <maco> and if you're fully charged...well you have no reason to worry
[20:17] <maco> theres no info it could possibly give you
[20:17] <BUGabundo1> yep
[20:17] <BUGabundo1> that's what I see
[20:17] <maco> when charging it tells you how long til charged. when discharging it tells how long til i runs out.
[20:18] <BUGabundo1> does it?
[20:19] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo1: yes it does
[20:19] <bcurtiswx> <3 my mini
[20:19] <BUGabundo1> are you guys talking about GPM or the applet Battery Charge Monitor ?
[20:19] <BUGabundo1> 'cause my applet is broken
[20:19] <bcurtiswx> GPM
[20:20] <BUGabundo1> bug 335973
[20:20] <BUGabundo1> for me GPM just shows a green battery
[20:20] <BUGabundo1> no time or %
[20:20] <BUGabundo1> unless I hover
[20:21] <bcurtiswx> thats what were talking about... the hover
[20:21] <BUGabundo1> the applet does that (when its not broken
[20:21] <BUGabundo1> ahh
[20:21] <BUGabundo1> I came in the middle
[20:22] <vocx> That's what I was saying. Currently the GDM works by placing a notification, but the applet is obsolete, maybe? So how do you fix it? Moving all the code from GDM to the applet?
[20:24] <BUGabundo1> I don't mind!
[20:24] <BUGabundo1> lol
[20:24] <BUGabundo1> mine is broken! and I WANT to know how long I have left
[20:24] <BUGabundo1> by just looking at it
[20:24] <BUGabundo1> sure, we should have the bare minium of apps on tray
[20:24] <BUGabundo1> I agree
[20:25] <BUGabundo1> but I also feel that that should be for a new desktop, and allow a user to polute his/hers at will
[20:25] <bcurtiswx> yeah, i mean that bug we originally talked about, we can turn it into a "change the icon for GPM in the tray to show % remaining..etc"
[20:26] <BUGabundo1> feel free to change it
[20:26] <BUGabundo1> I found out about it 2 days ago
[20:27] <BUGabundo1> and today I reported it!
[20:27] <BUGabundo1> 2 days ago I ran out of juice, did NOT get any warning and laptop went down
[20:27] <YoBoY> vocx: sumary changed
[20:27] <BUGabundo1> today it was fixed... I got 2 Indicators (seems Dx doesn't like the word Notifications)
[20:28] <BUGabundo1> and laptop hibernated just fine!
[20:28] <bcurtiswx> cool
[20:28] <BUGabundo1> but still I have no *visual* aid for it
[20:29] <BUGabundo1> until an indicator is fired up warning I get 20 min of juice
[20:29] <vocx> BUGabundo1, so what you saying is, you don't want to hover your pointer
[20:29] <BUGabundo1> no no no
[20:29] <BUGabundo1> I want my old Battery Charge Monitor applet back and working
[20:29] <BUGabundo1> telling me how long to  full charge or depelition
[20:30] <BUGabundo1> I couldn't care less about the GPM icon!
[20:30] <BUGabundo1> I just use it to get to the power Chart
[20:30] <BUGabundo1> but even that is no good. it should keep data cross reboots
[20:33] <YoBoY> BUGabundo1: you are on jaunty ?
[20:33] <BUGabundo1> sure
[20:33] <YoBoY> yes you are ^^"
[20:34] <YoBoY> can't confirm the bug :p
[20:34]  * BUGabundo1 should change my nick to bug+1
[20:34] <BUGabundo1> right now I have a N/A there
[20:34] <BUGabundo1> and if I unplug it won't show how long it lasts
[20:34] <YoBoY> work fine on 8.10
[20:34] <BUGabundo1> but GPM icon will show up
[20:34] <BUGabundo1> there is no prob with the buble on ibex
[20:35] <BUGabundo1> only on jaunty it got removed!
[22:49] <vocx> Anybody else like to move the pointer with the key pad? I always do this in Windows and Linux, but in Ubuntu 8.10 it never saves the options that make the pointer move fast enough. Anybody else can try this? System > Preferences > Assistive Technologies > Keyboard Accessibility > Mouse key, enable them, test them. You can switch on and off with Shift+NumLock. Now log out and back in. In my case the options revert and the pointer is extremely slow, and I n
[22:49] <vocx> eed to adjust speed and delay again.
[23:49] <andresmujica> if something should be stated at 8.04 LTS release notes and it's not, should we look ahead and go on?? or do we look back and add it?
[23:53] <vocx> I say add it. Unless 8.04.3 is going to be released soon.
[23:58] <andresmujica> ohh, yes i haven't though on the .x releases..
[23:59] <vocx> You mean you were looking at the 8.04.1 release? I haven't checked but I assume there are updated notes for 8.04.2