[11:25] <tjaalton> sigh, I'm testing easytag 2.1.6, but it's segfaulting a lot when handling flac tags
[11:26] <tjaalton> here's a backtrace when I tried to delete the cover art: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/124218/
[11:28] <tjaalton> but I've no idea where the actual bug is
[11:30] <geser> have you the -dbgsym package installed for easytag?
[11:30] <tjaalton> no, I built it myself
[11:30] <tjaalton> it's a new upstream release (well, ~9 months old)
[11:30] <geser> have you build it with debug symbols?
[11:31] <geser> and run gdb on the unstripped binary?
[11:31] <tjaalton> it's built in pbuilder, but I'll make it not strip it
[11:31] <tjaalton> sigh, cdbs..
[11:32] <geser> my first assumption would be it's a programming error in the application and not glib/gtk/pango itself
[11:32] <geser> so try to figure out the code in the application what's causing this and if it is doing everything right
[11:33] <tjaalton> that's the hard part :)
[16:44] <superm1> hi guys.  i'm finding that update-manager is launching above mythtv on it's own rather than behind it.  where is the most appropriate place to start debugging so I can assign this bug properly?  window manager? update manager itself?
[16:49] <pochu> superm1: are you running compiz?
[16:50] <superm1> pochu, no, no compositing enabled.
[16:50] <superm1> xfwm4 has compositing features, but they are disabled on our installs (and i'm looking in a vm anyhow, so there wouldn't be support for compositing even if i wanted it )
[16:50] <pochu> and does it only happen with mythtv?
[16:51] <superm1> well mythtv is the first thing that launches, so you see it immediately.  is there a way to force a "background" launch so i can see if it happens with other apps?
[16:51] <superm1> i don't even know what triggers it to launch in the first place
[16:53] <pochu> what triggers update-manager launch?
[16:53] <pochu> you must be kidding :)
[16:53] <pochu> didn't you read ubuntu-devel@ recently?
[16:54] <superm1> yeah i've seen the thread, but i mean the internals - what causes it to come up in the first place so i can debug with it?
[16:55] <pochu> ah
[16:57] <pochu> superm1: see update-notifier 0.76{,.1}
[16:59] <superm1> okay so it's running update-manager --no-focus-on-map it looks like then.  if i run that command from a terminal, should it launch behind that terminal than generally if the window manager is doing the right thing?
[17:02] <superm1> i think so, because switching to a standard ubuntu vm with nautilus that's how it's working
[17:12]  * hyperair still thinks that update-manager should _not_ launch automatically
[17:12] <superm1> thanks for pointing me in the right direction pochu. i'll bring this up with xfce folk then
[17:12] <hyperair> either way there's a gconf key for it, so i don't really care.
[17:13] <superm1> worst comes to worst if the window manager doesn't get fixed in time for jaunty, can just ship a gconf key setting to change it's behavior
[17:14] <hyperair> superm1: there is a gconf key -- /apps/update-notifier/somethingstartupsomething
[17:15] <superm1> hyperair, yeah that's what i was referring to
[17:15] <hyperair> yeah so i don't really care, as long as i can disable it
[17:15] <hyperair> it's not very discoverable for the ubuntu newbies who don't like u-m starting up on its own though
[17:15] <hyperair> and honestly speaking, i don't think many of them will like it.
[17:16] <hyperair> "even windows update doesn't spawn automatically! what possessed the ubuntu devs to make update manager spawn automatically?!"
[17:16] <hyperair> yeah i can imagine having to answer to that already, as a loco member.
[17:16] <superm1> i dont really have an opinion about it.  i'll let the folks who are putting it together do their research if it's a good idea.  i'm not a good representative of general population
[17:16] <hyperair> at which point i'll just shrug and tell them how to disable it.
[17:17] <hyperair> i _wish_ they're actually doing research about this damnit
[17:17] <hyperair> i'd like to know who actually likes having u-m spawn in their faces, or spawn behind every damn thing
[17:18] <hyperair> this is reminiscent of one of those stupid popunders that you get in windows if you were stupid/careless enough to get infected by spyware/adware