[00:01] <slangasek> this may actually fix some of the ecryptfs pam bugs we have, I haven't checked yet
[00:01] <slangasek> I know it fixes bug #303515, at least
[00:01] <kirkland> slangasek: nice, i'll test that
[00:01] <kirkland> slangasek: that bug sounds like the core of the one we suffered from
[00:01] <slangasek> yeah
[00:04] <kirkland> long build
[00:08] <kirkland> built; installing
[00:11] <kirkland> slangasek: okay, normal login works, both server and desktop
[00:11] <slangasek> with ecryptfs?
[00:12] <kirkland> slangasek: yes, encrypted home directory
[00:12] <slangasek> yay
[00:12] <kirkland> slangasek: trying ssh now
[00:13] <kirkland> slangasek: ssh login works
[00:13] <kirkland> slangasek: trying password change
[00:14] <kirkland> slangasek: successful password change works (rewraps ecryptfs password)
[00:15] <kirkland> slangasek: empty password: rejected
[00:15] <kirkland> slangasek: password too simple: reject (auth token manipulation error)
[00:16] <kirkland> slangasek: current password wrong: rejected
[00:16] <kirkland> slangasek: this looks *excellent*
[00:16] <slangasek> ok, great :)
[00:16] <slangasek> what are the other bug numbers I should stick in the changelog for this? :)
[00:17] <kirkland> slangasek: grabbing that now
[00:17] <kirkland> slangasek: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/305882
[00:18] <slangasek> FWIW, upstream decided to simply not freeze the chain based on the results of the first pass - so this violates an expectation that's been true in Linux-PAM for a decade, but I haven't found a practical case yet where it matters
[00:19] <kirkland> slangasek: well, the result is proper operation, at least in my little bit of testing
[00:19]  * slangasek nods
[00:59] <Adri2000> Keybuk: still internal server error...
[01:59] <Baby> pitti: ping!
[09:17] <Hobbsee> shiny jaunty!
[09:36] <hyperair> Hobbsee: shiny indeed, but laggy for me T_T
[09:36] <Hobbsee> hyperair: yeah, it seems like the xserver is having trouble again somewhere
[09:36] <hyperair> Hobbsee: =(
[09:36] <Hobbsee> and spontaneously explodes every once in a while, too
[09:37] <hyperair> the fps dropped so far that i can play lunatic mode of this game where i could previously only play easy mode
[09:37] <Hobbsee> oh dear!
[09:38] <hyperair> yeh 60fps to 12 fps =(
[09:38] <Hobbsee> nasty!
[09:39] <hyperair> indeed
[09:39] <hyperair> if i didn't get addicted to this game, i'd upgrade already. compiz still functions smoothly
[10:00] <lool> Keybuk: Re: gettext doesn't have a bug tracker; what about http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?group=gettext ?
[10:30] <arthur-> doko: /query
[11:46] <lidaobing> hello, I need freeze exception for bug 335796
[11:46] <lidaobing> with out this sync, qterm will always crash under QT 4.5
[11:47] <lidaobing> thanks
[11:56] <ogra> hmm, should i still see powernowd and hotkey-setup in my bootchart ? i thought we removed both
[14:45]  * RainCT rebuilds compizconfig-python for 2.5 + 2.6
[15:36] <fargiolas_> hi I need some quick help for a friend pc I'm trying to boot. It somewhat has a corrupted mbr that prevents him to run windows. I tried several live cds telling them to boot from the first disk but it doesn't work. I tried to boot with grub from floppy and nothing. The only way to boot windows correctly is to run Ubuntu Intrpid live cd and select Boot from first disk. It boots windows flawlessly. So does anybo
[15:36] <fargiolas_> dy know which command does it run? is it possibile to reproduce it from grub?
[15:37] <ScottK> fargiolas_: #ubuntu for help.
[15:37] <fargiolas_> ScottK, I really doubt it is a support question. I need to know from a ubuntu developer *what* boot from the first cd exactly does
[15:39] <beuno> fargiolas_, that still makes it a support question
[15:39]  * fargiolas_ tries at with #ubuntu
[15:40] <fargiolas_> beuno, probably but I don't think anyone there has the knowledge to give me an answer
[15:42] <fargiolas_> beuno, as I suspected they try to help me to solve my problem but nobody really knows what that live cd menu entry does
[15:42] <beuno> fargiolas_, well, people who hang out here explicetly only want to talk about Ubuntu development, so trying to get an answer out of them just because they can isn't very polite
[15:43] <fargiolas_> beuno, sure but I think only here there is someone who might know the answer, ideally the livecd developer would be the right guy to ask
[15:45] <beuno> fargiolas_, still not the right thing to do
[15:45]  * pochu points fargiolas_ to /topic
[15:46] <IntuitiveNipple> fargiolas_: The CD isolinux code does the same that grub would. Loads the boot sector from the partition that contains Windows and hands off control to it.
[15:46] <fargiolas_> IntuitiveNipple, apparently not because I tried booting windows from a grub floppy and it hangs while the live cd can boot it
[15:47]  * Chipzz helps pochu by pointing fargiolas_ to the topic
[15:48] <fargiolas_> Chipzz, pochu, I'm asking here just because I think people who knows the answer might hang in this channel
[15:49] <Chipzz> fargiolas_: and we're saying: "ask elsewhere" because 16:42 < beuno> fargiolas_, well, people who hang out here explicetly only want to talk about Ubuntu development, so trying to get an answer out of them just because they can isn't very polite
[15:49] <fargiolas_> Chipzz, pochu, If you know any other channel where I can find "them" just tell me and I'll be glad to stop my OT question
[15:49] <pochu> fargiolas_: google.com
[15:49] <fargiolas_> pochu, ok thanks
[15:50] <Chipzz> or you could try #ubuntu-server
[15:50]  * Chipzz wonders why people just HAVE TO insist on getting help here DESPITE being EXPLICITELY pointed out that this is NOT a support channel
[15:51] <fargiolas_> Chipzz, I'm sorry if I insisted and paused your development work thanks I'll see if google can be more helpful
[15:54] <Chipzz> fargiolas_: everyone makes mistakes; but if ppl point those out to you, don't keep making them
[15:55] <Chipzz> and the above comment was not just targeted at you
[15:56] <fargiolas_> Chipzz, my only mistake was believing that here there were people with the right knowledge and an helpful mood but apparently netiquettes are more important
[15:56] <cjwatson> boot from first hard disk just chains to BIOS disk 0x80
[15:56] <cjwatson> FWIW
[15:57] <fargiolas_> cjwatson, any idea why doing the same from grub doesn't have the same effect?
[15:58] <Chipzz> fargiolas_: IMO the point is very simple: like beuno pointed out, ppl are in this channel because they are interested in ubuntu development. not because they are interested in giving support. if they were interested in giving support, they would be in, say, #ubuntu
[15:58] <cjwatson> my only guess is that with grub you might need to use the 'map' command to adjust its view of the world
[15:58] <Chipzz> IMO this has nothing to do with netiquette
[15:59] <Chipzz> and if you want to talk about netiquette: reading the topic of a channel is also part of netiquette
[15:59] <fargiolas_> Chipzz, I'm not interested in continuing this discussion anymore.. your point about ubuntu development is just the reason because I asked here; I needed an ubuntu developer
[16:00] <fargiolas_> btw I have no more battery :P so I'm forced to go anyway :) sorry again if I seemed unpolite
[16:01] <fargiolas_> cjwatson, thanks I'll try with map
[16:01] <Chipzz> fargiolas_: as an aside, I pointed you to #ubuntu-server . Why didn't you join there yet? Most likely, the ppl there *are* willing to help you
[16:02] <cjwatson> Chipzz: I think there is little to be gained from you continuing to go at the guy with a great big mallet
[16:03] <Chipzz> cjwatson: that last comment was actually meant in a helpfull way
[16:03] <cjwatson> I am the person who added the option in question to our syslinux configuration, and I've already answered here, so ...
[16:03] <cjwatson> I suppose I could go and catch up on #ubuntu-server but there seems little to gain
[16:04] <fargiolas_> Chipzz, I'll see if I can connect to irc with the faulty computer my battery is really low now :P
[16:04] <fargiolas_> cjwatson, I'll try to install syslinux into a floppy
[16:15] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: ping
[16:15] <BUGabundo> did any Intel drivers got changed in the last kernel update?
[16:16] <BUGabundo> I'm getting a few wfi 4965 disconnects, that didn't used to happened, and asac mentioned it should be drivers, not NM
[16:25] <Micksa> hopefully this is a quickie... if you have an x86_64 on which you want to be able to cross-compile to i386, what's the simplest way to get a cross-compile toolchain installed?
[16:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Micksa: Will this help? http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/Ubuntu/Packages/CreatingPbuilderVariations#Cross-compilingarchitectureproblems
[16:40] <Micksa> not on its own no
[16:40] <Micksa> I actually want to cross-compile to a different arch :)
[16:40] <Micksa> for now I'm trying to see how other people build cross toolchains
[16:41] <Micksa> I figured that would be a common case
[17:14] <Micksa> someone should secretly patch make to go through a target's dependencies in reverse order
[17:14] <Micksa> so that all the world's broken makefiles are revealed
[17:16] <cjwatson> make -j is a pretty good way to expose that kind of thing
[17:24] <Micksa> not reliable
[17:24] <Micksa> that's my point
[17:50] <whiten0ise> is someone already working on an "Ubuntu Messenger"
[17:50] <whiten0ise> i was thinking about reworking Pidgin as a project
[17:50] <whiten0ise> and kind of giving Ubuntu a MSN Messenger-like thing.
[17:53] <highvoltage> whiten0ise: I think the long-term plan is to adopt empathy from gnome
[17:53] <whiten0ise> ah
[17:53] <whiten0ise> so hacking on pidgin would be a waste of my time
[18:01] <IntuitiveNipple> whiten0ise: This might be useful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
[18:05] <whiten0ise> wow
[18:05] <whiten0ise> empathy has no file transfer capability.
[18:06] <whiten0ise> it seems to me from reading that that its still pretty up in the air which one will be used
[18:06] <whiten0ise> whichever one gets the manpower going to fix their prog up will get the spot
[18:07] <jcastro_> empathy can do zeroconf file transfers now (not sure if that support is built in the ubuntu package) and they're working on the other protocols
[18:07] <sjoerd> jcastro_, whiten0ise: xmpp filetransfer should be available in the next week or two
[18:08] <jcastro> ah very nice!
[18:12] <pizzach> hello peoples!
[18:12]  * Tm_T hides
[18:13]  * pizzach sniffs his own underpit
[18:13] <pizzach> do people here develop things?
[18:13] <pizzach> ;-)
[18:14] <pizzach> I have been trying to bring better ubuntu support for my program gWaei.  The deb scripting eludes me though
[18:14] <pizzach> It always errors
[18:14] <pizzach> but it does install
[18:15] <pizzach> :-/  That is probably why only source based distros are including it with their package managers
[18:17] <pizzach> It doesn't help that I only run Ubuntu in a virtual environment on an old computer either
[18:17] <IntuitiveNipple> pizzach: what do you need?
[18:18] <pizzach> I was wondering if I could get someone more experienced with debs to help me out
[18:18] <pizzach> tell me if I am going about it right
[18:18] <pizzach> it's only around ~7 lines
[18:18] <pizzach> or maybe a tip on a good deb scripting tutorial?
[18:19] <Spads> pizzach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School seems to have some good resources for getting started.  there are also some MOTU-related channels where you may be able to get more ready advice.
[18:19] <geser> !packaging guide
[18:20] <geser> pizzach: something like this ^^ ?
[18:20] <pizzach> thanks guys
[18:24] <alex_joni> short question.. if I build some packages to put in a custom repo, where should I put the foo.changes file so that the Update Manager sees them?
[18:50] <cjwatson> alex_joni: unfortunately changelog display in update-manager (or indeed in just about anything else) is not generalised
[18:50] <cjwatson> alex_joni: look at /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/UpdateManager/Core/MyCache.py and you'll see what I mean
[18:51] <alex_joni> cjwatson: cool, thanks for the pointer
[18:52] <alex_joni> only have MetaRelease.py there..
[18:53] <IntuitiveNipple> I posted a patch to grab changelogs from PPAs some time ago, but it is hardy ideal
[18:53] <alex_joni> this isn't a PPA.. it's a custom repo I built with apt-ftparchive
[18:54] <cjwatson> alex_joni: well, ok, it just hardcodes changelogs.ubuntu.com right now - there is no metadata in the Release file to point to a location for all the changelogs, which is what's really needed
[18:54] <IntuitiveNipple> alex_joni: The same general approach would be required. As cjwatson says, it needs metadata
[18:54] <alex_joni> ah, I see.. so if I have another entry in my /etc/apt/sources.list or in sources.list.d/ then there's no way for a stock hardy to grab the changelog
[18:54] <cjwatson> alex_joni: the .changes file is not sufficient because it only contains information from one upload (possibly more if you use dpkg-genchanges -v, but in any case the user needs to see the set of changes from whatever they have installed, so you need a complete tree of all extracted changes)
[18:54] <cjwatson> that's right
[18:55] <alex_joni> ok, at least I won't bother trying to copy the .changes to different locations and see if it works :)
[18:56] <cjwatson> obviously you can extract changelogs from the .debs themselves after downloading them, which is what apt-listchanges does, but that doesn't let you see the changelog entries up-front
[18:58] <alex_joni> cjwatson: it's not that important atm
[18:58] <alex_joni> it would have been nice, but I understand that it's not a trivial change/fix
[18:58] <alex_joni> especially since we still have dapper users :)
[19:19] <calc> i keep noticing that it appears that the x server crashes either on suspend/resume when i bring it back up i have to log back into gdm and no apps are running any longer
[19:20] <calc> bryce: i have a intel mobile 4 series (4500 i think)
[19:20] <calc> bryce: its in a thinkpad x200
[19:28] <beuno> calc, same here with an intel GM965
[19:29] <beuno> and it has also crashed once or twice while actually working
[19:29] <kirkland> hyperair: aha ...  in fact, i'm suffering from https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/71418
[19:29] <beuno> I'm on those dell m1330
[19:57] <fargiolas> cjwatson: hi, I'd like to thank you, your hint solved my problem... it was exactly the information I was looking for. Setting up a boot disk with syslinux and localboot 0x80 worked like charm
[19:57] <fargiolas> as a side note this confirms that I was right to look here for that information
[19:58] <calc> beuno: is there a bug open about the issue already?
[19:58] <beuno> fargiolas, annoying everybody at your own benefit is hardly being right
[19:58] <beuno> calc, I haven't found one, or even managed to find anything interesting in the logs to give me a hint of where the problem is
[19:59] <fargiolas> beuno: I didn't annoyed anyone you could have just said nothing, cjwatson would have told me what I was looking for and everybody would have been happy...
[19:59] <fargiolas> beuno: all the discussion was pointless and annoying for me too
[20:00] <beuno> fargiolas, and you could learn to read the topic and respect others  ;)
[20:01] <fargiolas> beuno: :) I respect you and the topic but going OT for just a little sometime is not so bad if it can be helpful for other people
[20:01] <beuno> like yourself
[20:01] <beuno> whatever
[20:02] <fargiolas> beuno: I needed help this time, but you could need help in the future
[20:02] <beuno> and I will ask in the appropriate placs
[20:02] <beuno> *places
[20:03] <fargiolas> i'm pretty sure you will ask where you know there is someone able to answer... I asked on #ubuntu too and I got pointless suggestions while here I got what I was looking for :)
[20:07] <fargiolas> btw, don't you have something like #ubuntu-hackers, a generalist channel where ubuntu devs hang with no strict topic rules
[20:07] <fargiolas> ?
[20:09] <calc> fargiolas: for questions like that which require someone know what they are actually doing asking on one of the mailing lists might work about as well as asking here
[20:10]  * calc agrees asking for highly technical things on #ubuntu might not always get a good answer, especially due to the sheer volume of traffic
[20:10] <calc> i am in the channel but can rarely follow things in it since it scrolls by so quickly
[20:14] <fargiolas> calc: exactly it's not the first time that I ask something technical on #ubuntu and I get standard unuseful responses.. I would have asked on a mailinglist but I was trying to solve the issue of a friend so it was worth a try here for a quick response
[21:29] <rgreening> ScottK, vorian, NCommander, Riddell, nixternal, seele, smarter, stgraber, Tonio_: Here's my MOTU application. Please feel free to provide comments... ty in advance. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rgreening/DeveloperApplicationMOTU
[21:38] <stgraber> rgreening: here you go
[21:39] <rgreening> ty sir :)
[21:48] <BUGabundo> cjwatson: ping
[21:48] <BUGabundo> bug 336028
[21:52] <BUGabundo> wrong dev
[21:53] <BUGabundo> Scott Remnant LOL
[21:53] <BUGabundo> too many ppl touch bootchart
[21:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Surely you have to manually stop the process to get the chart? sudo /etc/init.d/stop-bootchart start
[21:57] <BUGabundo> did nothing for my system
[21:57] <BUGabundo> no bootchart was generated today
[21:58] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh, of course, it can't stop itself lol
[21:58] <IntuitiveNipple> It needs a minor patch
[23:50] <cjwatson> fargiolas: while I'm glad that your problem is fixed, your response "this confirms that I was right" is likely to cause me not to answer in future, I'm afraid; we really do very strongly prefer this not to be a support channel and I would please ask you to respect that in future. There are other non-IRC avenues of support if #ubuntu fails
[23:51] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: This is a long shot, but do you know if unattended-upgrades is supposed to work with proposed?  It currently doesn't, and i'm not sure if that's a design decision, or a bug.  If it's a design decision, then I won't look into trying to fix it.
[23:51] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: not something I've looked into; I would expect it to be configurable but off by default
[23:51] <cjwatson> but I don't know that code at all
[23:52] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: OK.  (that's what I thought too, then discovered i'd either done it wrong, or it doesn't work).  Thanks
[23:52] <cjwatson> I could understand it being a design decision, on the basis of "you should take an informed decision on each thing in -proposed", but don't know for sure
[23:52] <Hobbsee> mmm, indeed.
[23:52] <Hobbsee> mvo's on leave, i take it?
[23:53] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: there seems to be an Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins configuration entry
[23:53] <cjwatson> I think he was just taking a long weekend
[23:53] <cjwatson> at any rate, it seems to me that it would be fairly difficult to write unattended-upgrades such that you couldn't make it work with -proposed fairly easily :-)
[23:54] <Hobbsee> well, that's what I thought.  That's what I was using, and it doesn't work ;)
[23:54]  * Hobbsee will go digging
[23:54] <cjwatson> fargiolas: I answered since it was the weekend and it was either that or change nappies :-)