| DaSkreech | sebas: Woah | 00:09 |
|---|---|---|
| DaSkreech | I'm working on a server now that a client gave me and it boots up to Debian server in the time it takes my computer to detect the and initalize the CD Rom Drive | 00:09 |
| sebas | Heh, yeah. I've this SATA card that takes ages | 00:23 |
| sebas | And I found this funny UI problem in the BIOS screen | 00:23 |
| sebas | it says "press F8 for boot menu" before it has initialized the (usb) keyboard | 00:23 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 00:24 |
| sebas | So the first keystrokes are lost | 00:24 |
| sebas | I can imagine that one being a phone support nightmare | 00:24 |
| DaSkreech | Well the server boots so fast that I had to look up the keys since it's impossible to read them while it's booting | 00:24 |
| sebas | (a) knowing about that particular race condition | 00:24 |
| sebas | (b) telling the person on the other line when to press F8 exactly | 00:24 |
| DaSkreech | waaaaait for it waaaaaaaaaaaaaait for it | 00:25 |
| DaSkreech | Now!!! | 00:25 |
| === coreymon is now known as coreymon77 | ||
| vorian | yay | 01:36 |
| etank | aya | 01:37 |
| DaSkreech | o/ | 01:37 |
| vorian | it's rather quiet on the interwebs this evening | 01:37 |
| vorian | so etank | 01:43 |
| etank | yes mr. vorian | 01:44 |
| vorian | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes | 01:44 |
| vorian | these are some really easy things to get the hang of how debian packaging works | 01:44 |
| vorian | basic stuff like updating a package, creating a debdiff, etc... | 01:45 |
| etank | k | 01:46 |
| ScottK | Welcome etank. | 01:47 |
| etank | im going to take some time to watch the motu vids in the next day or so | 01:47 |
| etank | thanks ScottK | 01:47 |
| etank | vorian: the pbuilder for jaunty finished | 01:54 |
| vorian | excellent | 01:55 |
| rgreening | seele: you around? | 05:13 |
| === DreadKnight is now known as DeadNight | ||
| DaSkreech | DeadNight: Qt | 05:38 |
| DeadNight | cute nickname or what? :P | 05:38 |
| DaSkreech | Cute Nick | 05:41 |
| DeadNight | ty ^^ | 06:02 |
| DeadNight | i'm outta here... sleep time | 06:02 |
| nixternal | the new screen profiles in ubuntu server are nice....stupid python2.6 has a lot of shit broken though | 06:29 |
| ScottK | nixternal: It's known and planned and being fixed. | 06:30 |
| nixternal | i just went through offlineimap working on the code...i have it in a workable state, but it still spews a few errors | 06:31 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| dtchen_ | actually that's the surprise lying in wait for rich. he has to do the rest of the python 2.6 transition himself! | 06:31 |
| * nixternal blows up | 06:42 | |
| a|wen | JontheEchidna: thx for sponsoring kile (i suppose it was you) ... please if you feel for it: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AndreasWenning/DeveloperApplicationTemplate :) | 07:33 |
| rgreening | NCommander: ping | 07:51 |
| serenity | hi | 10:40 |
| serenity | Why was the experimental-repo closed down? | 10:42 |
| serenity | it's pretty unsatisfactory for the users to update this way, because they get in touch with other backported packages which may cause other problems. | 10:46 |
| Mamarok | serenity: what other packages do you have trouble with? | 10:49 |
| Mamarok | also, using an experimental repo seems by far more risky to me than backports anyway, so... | 10:49 |
| serenity | Mamarok: none, but i do support and i'm just waiting for the first user who complains about problems with backported software | 10:50 |
| Mamarok | serenity: well, they should not have use experimental in the first place IMHO then | 10:50 |
| mgraesslin | Mamarok: it's just a name, nut to be compared with Debians experimental repo | 10:51 |
| serenity | experi was a clear repo. You know what you get is all about kde. Backports are not. | 10:51 |
| Mamarok | mgraesslin: I know | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | but kubuntu-experimental is meant to, well, experimental use, so it's not quaranteed to work prefectly | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | and IMO not meant to "users" like backports | 10:52 |
| Mamarok | Tm_T: +1 | 10:52 |
| mgraesslin | then it should not have been published on kubuntu news | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: sure this all isn't mentioned there? | 10:53 |
| Mamarok | mgraesslin: well, it has been with the necessary warnings | 10:53 |
| serenity | but the backports-repo also doesn't garante to work perfect | 10:53 |
| serenity | +e | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | serenity: true, but it has more testing behind there | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | as in more likely to work without issues | 10:54 |
| mgraesslin | and what about video garbage? | 10:54 |
| Mamarok | oh come on, if a user wants the latest packages, he/she should be aware of the risks anyway, and not just install without checking waht is installed | 10:54 |
| Tm_T | Mamarok: indeed | 10:54 |
| Tm_T | especially when this all is mentioned properly | 10:54 |
| mgraesslin | sorry to say: but most Kubuntu users asking for support at ubuntuusers.de have no idea at all | 10:54 |
| Mamarok | it can hardly be our fault if a user does silly things | 10:55 |
| mgraesslin | they just copy commands to the konsole | 10:55 |
| Mamarok | mgraesslin: well, tell them then to use their brains before doing things | 10:55 |
| serenity | Case: User1 wants to have 4.2, enable backports, updates and leaves the repo enabled. One day, linux-header---xyz is ready for update and Soundcard etc isn't working after that. | 10:55 |
| Mamarok | and read release texts before doing anything, that's what those are made for | 10:55 |
| mgraesslin | Mamarok: how many users read the 4.0 release note? Or Amarok 2.0? Why were there all these complaints if all users read the release note? | 10:56 |
| Mamarok | mgraesslin: well, that's their fault, isn't it? And that's the way you also learn not to do things without thinking | 10:57 |
| Mamarok | or ask for advice before if he(she doesn't have a clue | 10:58 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: we cannot hold peoples hands all the way, really | 10:58 |
| serenity | what was wrong about the experimental-repo? | 10:58 |
| serenity | s/about/with | 10:58 |
| mgraesslin | sorry to say but I totally disagree | 10:58 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: so we should not announce new releases at all, and keep packages away from any public site? | 10:58 |
| mgraesslin | I want to have Linux work the way that it is "DAU" safe - with that attitude it will not happen | 10:59 |
| serenity | no, but don't distribute them via backports | 10:59 |
| Mamarok | mgraesslin: or going back to the good old Debian release cycles, once every 5 years or so... and get a totally outdated system on the desktop | 10:59 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: Linux is IF you stick with official repositories | 10:59 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: we cannot hide new stuff, and would be nonsense to even try | 11:00 |
| mgraesslin | yeah and the normal user does not want to have the newest releases and understands the danger of non-official repositories | 11:00 |
| Tm_T | Linux/Ubuntu | 11:00 |
| Mamarok | serenity: well, as I said, they should *not* have used experimental in the first place, it was really testing, backports are more tested | 11:00 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: that's the job of community to tell about those things | 11:00 |
| mgraesslin | the release note on kubuntu news did not tell this | 11:00 |
| serenity | Mamarok: and what about the case i mentioned above? | 11:00 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: did | 11:00 |
| Tm_T | and does | 11:01 |
| Mamarok | mgraesslin: why did they upgrade in the first place then? It has never been announced as an official release like 8.10 or 8.04 | 11:01 |
| Tm_T | if not, give a fix patch and it will be fixed | 11:01 |
| Mamarok | so if the user wants a stable system, he/she should stick with the official release, period. | 11:01 |
| mgraesslin | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 | 11:01 |
| mgraesslin | were is there the information that it could be harmful? | 11:02 |
| Mamarok | those who complain if they use experimental or backported stuff should have thought before | 11:02 |
| Mamarok | mgraesslin: its not an offical Kubuntu release, the offical one is 8.10. | 11:02 |
| Mamarok | not that we wouldn't help out of the mess, but still | 11:02 |
| Mamarok | that's like tuning a car and not been able to handle it if it's going too fast or is more difficult to steer | 11:03 |
| Mamarok | not the manufacturers fault, but the users | 11:03 |
| mgraesslin | sorry then don't put it on the news page | 11:04 |
| mgraesslin | keep the packages hidden to those who will find it | 11:04 |
| serenity | Wrong. By distributing via backports you also provide the ''tools'' to tune the car. | 11:04 |
| * mgraesslin thinks the whole concept of bakcports is wrong in Ubuntu | 11:05 | |
| serenity | +1 | 11:05 |
| Mamarok | oh come on, it has been said and written that this is *not* stable and experimental, and backports are marked to be *not* recommended for basic users, so | 11:05 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: indeed, it isn't told clearly enough, but, its said "Follow the Kubuntu Repository Guide to enable Recommended Updates and Unsupported Updates" | 11:05 |
| Mamarok | unsupported says it all btw, so if people can't read... | 11:05 |
| Tm_T | Mamarok: aye, but could be said more clearly IMO | 11:06 |
| mgraesslin | and everybody speaks a fluent english? | 11:06 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: how this "backports" is wrong? | 11:06 |
| * Sput finds it quite optimistic to think that Joe Dau Average knows what "unsupported" means | 11:06 | |
| Sput | most users go "omg shiniez" and that's all they think when they see such a checkbox :) | 11:07 |
| Tm_T | Sput: I kinda agree, glad that most of local communities makes things clear | 11:07 |
| serenity | so if a user comes around with a f"ยง$-upped system because of backports, i have to tell him: hey, you wanted 4.2 it's your fault? | 11:07 |
| Mamarok | Sput: agree, but this is *not* our fault at all | 11:07 |
| Tm_T | serenity: wouldn't say that | 11:07 |
| mgraesslin | Tm_T: backports are Pandora's box - there is everything, you get stuff you don't want, you get stuff you want | 11:07 |
| Mamarok | serenity: yes, and he should have asked before upgrading and have read the warnings, but one can word it differently | 11:07 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: just like backports are supposed to work in large scale | 11:08 |
| Nightrose | serenity: mgraesslin: has there been a problem already? can we help? | 11:08 |
| Mamarok | mgraesslin: again, the average users should not activate backports and is told so, if he does it non the less, it's his fault, persiod. | 11:08 |
| serenity | Nightrose: no yet | 11:08 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: not known, just speculation | 11:08 |
| Nightrose | ok let us know when - i'll help you | 11:08 |
| Sput | Mamarok: "should have asked" and "read the warnings" is just not something users do | 11:09 |
| Sput | :) | 11:09 |
| serenity | Nightrose: it will tell you if so | 11:09 |
| serenity | ;) | 11:09 |
| Mamarok | Sput: I know, but this is not our fault | 11:09 |
| Tm_T | Sput: they should, and we should tell tem to do so | 11:09 |
| mgraesslin | Nightrose: there is already one thread with a user complaining that the ppa is not available any more | 11:09 |
| Mamarok | if people are stupid we should be blamed? come on! | 11:09 |
| Nightrose | can you give me a link? | 11:09 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: anyway, maybe we should make a habit to mention when some upgrade isn't "supported by canonical" or similar, to make notice that it's not official in highest level or so | 11:10 |
| Nightrose | does it matter who is at fault? | 11:10 |
| Nightrose | stop putting the blame on the other party! | 11:10 |
| Nightrose | Tm_T: yes definitely | 11:10 |
| mgraesslin | http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/kde-4.2-update-quelle-nicht-mehr-vorhanden/ | 11:10 |
| Tm_T | miscommunication is everyones fault =) | 11:10 |
| Nightrose | Tm_T: can you send an email to the devel list? | 11:10 |
| Nightrose | mgraesslin: thx | 11:10 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: will today, remind me if it hasn't happened in 6 hours | 11:10 |
| Nightrose | ok | 11:11 |
| mgraesslin | Nightrose: it might be a good idea to put changes like repo not only in the corrseponding news but publish it as a new entry | 11:11 |
| Nightrose | mgraesslin: *nod* something to think about | 11:11 |
| mgraesslin | you don't check old news entries for changes of repos | 11:11 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: FYI back when we tried to hide stuff from users, they did dig it out and complain still | 11:12 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: so, really hiding unstable stuff doesn't help | 11:12 |
| Nightrose | heh good point | 11:12 |
| mgraesslin | then it needs more warnings | 11:13 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: hidden and KNOWN to be unstable?! | 11:13 |
| mgraesslin | for us at ubuntuusers.de it was a clear official repo with KDE 4.2 - and we recommended the upgrade cause of the massive improvements compared to 4.1 | 11:13 |
| serenity | "via backports you get 4.2 and _also_ other backported packages which may affect your system'' | 11:14 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: from where you took that official part? | 11:14 |
| mgraesslin | from the fact that it was published in a news on kubuntu.org | 11:14 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: that doesn't make things official (: | 11:14 |
| Nightrose | well... | 11:15 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: anyway, miscommunication, we should make it more clear what is official and supported | 11:15 |
| Tm_T | and what is not | 11:15 |
| serenity | for user xyz it does | 11:15 |
| mgraesslin | and that it is linked on KDE relaese announcement as packages are available | 11:15 |
| Tm_T | mgraesslin: indeed | 11:15 |
| Tm_T | anyway, gottago -> | 11:16 |
| emonkey | hey apachelogger good morning and a good sunday! | 11:26 |
| apachelogger | salut emonkey | 11:26 |
| a|wen | hey apachelogger | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | o/ a|wen | 11:50 |
| a|wen | we've been praising your bat-scripts the last days :) | 11:51 |
| Quintasan | \o | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: sweet :D | 12:10 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: so be sure to be back in time, if we ever need some maintenance of them ;) | 12:11 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: how much longer are you around? | 12:16 |
| Nightrose | i should tag 2.0.2 today and this would be the test run for the branch tagging | 12:16 |
| Nightrose | do you have any local changes left? | 12:17 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: did I even commit that? | 12:18 |
| Nightrose | not sure | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | my latest work that is | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | branch tagging should be working just fine | 12:19 |
| apachelogger | I suppose ;-) | 12:19 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: No new revisions to push. | 12:20 |
| apachelogger | just give it a shot | 12:20 |
| apachelogger | I'll take a look at my refactor branch | 12:20 |
| Nightrose | ok will be another few hours though i thin | 12:21 |
| Nightrose | k | 12:21 |
| apachelogger | the statistics stuff might break ... at least it only works for 1 of 3 tries in the refactor branch | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | not sure about stable | 12:22 |
| Nightrose | k | 12:23 |
| JontheEchidna | holas | 12:41 |
| a|wen | hi JontheEchidna | 12:46 |
| JontheEchidna | a|wen: writing up feedback now :) | 12:46 |
| a|wen | thx :) | 12:47 |
| JontheEchidna | feedback'd | 12:56 |
| a|wen | much appreciated JontheEchidna | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 13:50 |
| Quintasan | Stasks is a nice plasmoid | 13:59 |
| ScottK | JFTR (reading the backscroll) - the KDE 4.2 packages in backports are much more installable and bug fixed than the ones in kubuntu-experimental were. | 14:08 |
| a|wen | ScottK: they are indeed; you've been doing a great job on them, thx for that! ... but we might want to consider adding a *warning: this is unsupported* to the news | 14:17 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: the default konq homepage crashes konqueror | 14:17 |
| a|wen | ScottK: another thing ... is it possible for us to do a copy from PPA to backports? (like security updates is a copy from a PPA); the only real problems we've seen is due to the packages not landing in the repository at the same time | 14:19 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: hi | 14:25 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I have a little question about the NEW queue... | 14:25 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I have 2 packages waiting there, that where kde3 apps, now ported to kde4... | 14:26 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: as they were previously in the archives, do they need a FFE ? | 14:26 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I seem to remember Riddell told me they could be approved directly... | 14:26 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| ScottK | Tonio_: They do need FFe, but Riddell can give it, so it amounts to you have one. | 16:20 |
| ScottK | a|wen: It is possible, but has had other problems where copied packages fail to upload once they are built on archs not supported by the PPA. | 16:21 |
| ScottK | I'm all for clarifications to make it clearer what people are getting into if they upgrade to 4.2 now. | 16:21 |
| a|wen | ScottK: "Note: These packages are not supported by Canonical; for a stable system it is not recommended to upgrade. KDE 4.2 will be officially supported as part of Kubuntu 9.04 being released April 23rd 2009." | 16:57 |
| a|wen | ScottK: or something in that area... | 16:57 |
| ScottK | Fine with me. | 16:57 |
| a|wen | i think that is what i understood people were missing from the news-item | 16:58 |
| * ScottK looks at ryanakca to fixor it. | 16:58 | |
| a|wen | ScottK: will 4.2.1 go to kubuntu-experimental or -backports ? | 16:59 |
| ScottK | Up to Riddell, but I'd say kubuntu-experimental first. | 17:00 |
| a|wen | i second that! | 17:00 |
| a|wen | then we should add something similar; probably even with a stronger warning | 17:00 |
| a|wen | ScottK: maybe just expand the first part a bit to say "These packages are most experimental and not supported by Canonical; ..." | 17:03 |
| * ScottK doesn't really have the mental bandwidth available ATM to know, but like the idea of warning people. | 17:04 | |
| a|wen | ryanakca: if you go to changing something: maybe we should also change the heading from "Jaunty" to "Jaunty (development release)" just for clarification | 17:06 |
| ryanakca | a|wen: Jaunty Alpha 5 Released -> Jaunty Alpha 5 (development release) Released ? | 17:16 |
| a|wen | ryanakca: the Jaunty title in http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 | 17:17 |
| ryanakca | a|wen: ah, there, ok. Might as well tackle all the other website bugs while I'm at it. | 17:18 |
| a|wen | sounds good :) | 17:19 |
| ryanakca | a|wen: check? | 17:20 |
| a|wen | ryanakca: doesn't seem to have changed ... some server-side caching? | 17:22 |
| ryanakca | a|wen: Probably... Check again in a few minutes and let me know if you want me to retweak it again please :) | 17:24 |
| a|wen | ryanakca: i'll do that ... thx a bunch | 17:25 |
| a|wen | ryanakca: are you sure you published the changes? ... still no changes | 17:47 |
| ryanakca | a|wen: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 , right? `` KDE 4.2 has been released. Jaunty (current development release) users can do a full upgrade to get the latest packages. Packages for 8.10 (Intrepid) are in intrepid-backports'' | 18:08 |
| a|wen | ryanakca: ahh ... i was looking at the "Jaunty" title below the picture | 18:09 |
| a|wen | ryanakca: and i was looking for an added warning somewhere in the intrepid instructions | 18:10 |
| ryanakca | a|wen: I can append it there. And I'm guessing the subject of the warning is somewheres in the scrollback? | 18:15 |
| ryanakca | Found it :) | 18:15 |
| a|wen | quicker than my copy-pasting :) | 18:15 |
| ryanakca | a|wen: There. | 18:17 |
| a|wen | ryanakca: perfect! :) | 18:18 |
| ryanakca | a|wen: Anything else? :) | 18:18 |
| ryanakca | a|wen: Any comments on bug 327094, or can I stick in the recommended changes? | 18:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 327094 in kubuntu-website "Additions for KDE 4.2 installation instructions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327094 | 18:19 |
| a|wen | ryanakca: i don't have anything else ... and yeah, that should cover the bug | 18:20 |
| a|wen | at least what is left of the instructions after changing it for backports | 18:21 |
| smarter | kpackagekit still don't want to let me upgrade my system here: http://pastebin.com/m2ce850aa | 18:22 |
| smarter | "The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent was not provided by any .service files" << am I missing another package? | 18:23 |
| a|wen | smarter: you have kpackagekit, policykit-kde and packagekit ? | 18:25 |
| smarter | yes | 18:25 |
| smarter | trying to launch software sources didn't work either: http://pastebin.com/m69f664b4 | 18:26 |
| smarter | it asked for my password and then nothing | 18:26 |
| a|wen | smarter: and packagekit-backend-apt | 18:26 |
| a|wen | i suppose | 18:26 |
| smarter | I guess it's yet-another-python-bug-because-of-ascii-used-as-utf8-only-found-when-locale-is-not-english-so-noone-care | 18:27 |
| smarter | a|wen: yes | 18:27 |
| a|wen | smarter: could be one ... test with LANG=C ... if it works scream at $someone | 18:27 |
| smarter | haha, now it crashed, and apport crashed trying to generate a crash dump :p | 18:28 |
| smarter | OSError: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/crash/_usr_bin_python2.6.0.crash' | 18:29 |
| a|wen | oh great... seems python-apport doesn't do automatic filename-increase | 18:30 |
| smarter | yay for QA | 18:30 |
| a|wen | who needs that :P | 18:31 |
| smarter | seems like I'm not the only one who has this problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1075778 | 18:31 |
| smarter | a|wen: does it work for you? | 18:35 |
| a|wen | smarter: i'm still on intrepid ... might venture for an upgrade after 4.2.1 is out | 18:36 |
| Quintasan | something needs testing? | 18:37 |
| smarter | Quintasan: kpackagekit | 18:40 |
| a|wen | smarter: any output from "ls -1 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/* | xargs grep -Hn org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent" ? | 18:40 |
| smarter | nop | 18:40 |
| Quintasan | I have | 18:41 |
| a|wen | smarter: try to install policykit-gnome and test again? | 18:41 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: which file? and try to run a dpkg -S on the file | 18:41 |
| Quintasan | I meant the output :P | 18:41 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: you on jaunty? | 18:42 |
| smarter | a|wen: should be on -kde http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent&mode=filename&suite=jaunty&arch=any | 18:42 |
| Quintasan | yeah | 18:42 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: "ls -1 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/* | xargs grep -Hn org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent | cut -d: -f1 | xargs dpkg -S" ? | 18:42 |
| Quintasan | policykit-kde: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/kde-org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent.service | 18:43 |
| smarter | oh, I'm using policykit-kde 0.2 from $some-ppa and apparently it doesn't have the services file | 18:43 |
| a|wen | ahh, then no need to look further i presume :) | 18:43 |
| smarter | $some-ppa=kubuntu-experimental | 18:43 |
| smarter | is that an old version? | 18:43 |
| smarter | or a new and buggy version? | 18:43 |
| a|wen | smarter: old ... from 2008 | 18:44 |
| smarter | a|wen: we totally need an epoch or something then | 18:44 |
| Quintasan | 0.0+svn920907-0ubuntu1 in jaunty | 18:44 |
| a|wen | smarter: sounds like it ... or at least an update of the current package | 18:46 |
| smarter | doesn't work better | 18:46 |
| smarter | I get "'Authentification error : : | 18:46 |
| smarter | I'll reboot | 18:46 |
| smarter | but first, dinner :] | 18:46 |
| a|wen | smarter: probably needed | 18:46 |
| === milian_ is now known as milian | ||
| * nixternal wonders if they will ever update eclipse in ubuntu | 19:01 | |
| nixternal | i can't even get 3.4 to work in jaunty :/ | 19:02 |
| * ScottK hands nixternal a mirror. | 19:02 | |
| nixternal | ya, i don't feel like messing with it because we use gcj and openjdk | 19:03 |
| nixternal | lord knows when that stuff will ever work | 19:03 |
| ScottK | Well pretty well everyong feels similar. | 19:03 |
| * ScottK touched it once in Feisty or Gutsy and never again. | 19:03 | |
| smarter | kpackagekit still doesn't work: http://pastebin.com/m54a6f2f8 | 19:04 |
| nixternal | ya, i touched it once upon a time as well | 19:04 |
| smarter | (yay for helpful messages :p) | 19:04 |
| nixternal | i like eclipse because it is the all in one ide | 19:04 |
| nixternal | i can do python, c++, and whatever else I feel like | 19:04 |
| nixternal | since I do python most of the time, i want to get to like eric | 19:05 |
| smarter | and actions on notifications don't work here too | 19:05 |
| ScottK | smarter: What apps? | 19:05 |
| nixternal | but that is the most confusing ide i have used...i have yet to get code completion working in it | 19:05 |
| smarter | ScottK: kopete and kpackagekit | 19:05 |
| ScottK | Those should work. | 19:05 |
| Nightrose | smarter: kopete actions are known to be broken upstream | 19:06 |
| smarter | (I'm on 4.2.1, that might explain it :]) | 19:06 |
| Nightrose | at least according to mattr on identi.ca | 19:06 |
| smarter | ok | 19:06 |
| smarter | thanks | 19:06 |
| a|wen | smarter: you are partly on 4.2.1 i suppose ;) | 19:06 |
| smarter | yep | 19:06 |
| a|wen | could explain it ... those half-upgraded states are not always the best | 19:07 |
| a|wen | smarter: at least it is another error now ;) | 19:08 |
| smarter | a|wen: yes :p | 19:08 |
| a|wen | have you tested with LANG=C now? | 19:09 |
| smarter | software-properties-kde? yes, doesn't work better | 19:10 |
| smarter | thought I'm not sure if kdesudo takes the LANG=C | 19:10 |
| smarter | yup, even if I put LANG=C sof... in a script and kdesudo it, it doesn't work | 19:11 |
| smarter | but that might be related to Qt 4.5 not playing well with PyQt 4.4.4 | 19:11 |
| a|wen | there are pretty many places where it could go wrong ... kind of a complex structure | 19:13 |
| smarter | yup | 19:15 |
| smarter | maybe python2.6 is doing something wrong too | 19:15 |
| a|wen | another possibility | 19:18 |
| * ScottK notes amarok 2.0.2 tagged. | 19:28 | |
| smarter | oh, shiny | 19:33 |
| smarter | O_o: http://pastebin.com/mf83010c | 19:36 |
| a|wen | looks like something that needs a recompile qt4.5 / python2.6 | 19:38 |
| smarter | probably | 19:38 |
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| Quintasan | night guys | 21:11 |
| hunger | Would have been really nice to mention the known issues of ubuntu alpha5 in the kubuntu release notes, too. | 21:14 |
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| ScottK | All it takes is someone to write them. | 23:28 |
| ScottK | The Python 2.6 stuff came after anyway. | 23:28 |
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