[00:09] <DaSkreech> sebas: Woah
[00:09] <DaSkreech> I'm working on a server now that a client gave me and it boots up to Debian server in the time it takes my computer to detect the and initalize the CD Rom Drive
[00:23] <sebas> Heh, yeah. I've this SATA card that takes ages
[00:23] <sebas> And I found this funny UI problem in the BIOS screen
[00:23] <sebas> it says "press F8 for boot menu" before it has initialized the (usb) keyboard
[00:24] <DaSkreech> :-)
[00:24] <sebas> So the first keystrokes are lost
[00:24] <sebas> I can imagine that one being a phone support nightmare
[00:24] <DaSkreech> Well the server boots so fast that I had to look up the keys since it's impossible to read them while it's booting
[00:24] <sebas> (a) knowing about that particular race condition
[00:24] <sebas> (b) telling the person on the other line when to press F8 exactly
[00:25] <DaSkreech> waaaaait for it waaaaaaaaaaaaaait for it
[00:25] <DaSkreech> Now!!!
[01:36] <vorian> yay
[01:37] <etank> aya
[01:37] <DaSkreech> o/
[01:37] <vorian> it's rather quiet on the interwebs this evening
[01:43] <vorian> so etank
[01:44] <etank> yes mr. vorian
[01:44] <vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes
[01:44] <vorian> these are some really easy things to get the hang of how debian packaging works
[01:45] <vorian> basic stuff like updating a package, creating a debdiff, etc...
[01:46] <etank> k
[01:47] <ScottK> Welcome etank.
[01:47] <etank> im going to take some time to watch the motu vids in the next day or so
[01:47] <etank> thanks ScottK
[01:54] <etank> vorian: the pbuilder for jaunty finished
[01:55] <vorian> excellent
[05:13] <rgreening> seele: you around?
[05:38] <DaSkreech> DeadNight: Qt
[05:38] <DeadNight> cute nickname or what? :P
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Cute Nick
[06:02] <DeadNight> ty ^^
[06:02] <DeadNight> i'm outta here... sleep time
[06:29] <nixternal> the new screen profiles in ubuntu server are nice....stupid python2.6 has a lot of shit broken though
[06:30] <ScottK> nixternal: It's known and planned and being fixed.
[06:31] <nixternal> i just went through offlineimap working on the code...i have it in a workable state, but it still spews a few errors
[06:31] <dtchen_> actually that's the surprise lying in wait for rich. he has to do the rest of the python 2.6 transition himself!
[06:42]  * nixternal blows up
[07:33] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: thx for sponsoring kile (i suppose it was you) ... please if you feel for it: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AndreasWenning/DeveloperApplicationTemplate :)
[07:51] <rgreening> NCommander: ping
[10:40] <serenity> hi
[10:42] <serenity> Why was the experimental-repo closed down?
[10:46] <serenity> it's pretty unsatisfactory for the users to update this way, because they get in touch with other backported packages which may cause other problems.
[10:49] <Mamarok> serenity: what other packages do you have trouble with?
[10:49] <Mamarok> also, using an experimental repo seems by far more risky to me than backports anyway, so...
[10:50] <serenity> Mamarok: none, but i do support and i'm just waiting for the first user who complains about problems with backported software
[10:50] <Mamarok> serenity: well, they should not have use experimental in the first place IMHO then
[10:51] <mgraesslin> Mamarok: it's just a name, nut to be compared with Debians experimental repo
[10:51] <serenity> experi was a clear repo. You know what you get is all about kde. Backports are not.
[10:52] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: I know
[10:52] <Tm_T> but kubuntu-experimental is meant to, well, experimental use, so it's not quaranteed to work prefectly
[10:52] <Tm_T> and IMO not meant to "users" like backports
[10:52] <Mamarok> Tm_T: +1
[10:52] <mgraesslin> then it should not have been published on kubuntu news
[10:53] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: sure this all isn't mentioned there?
[10:53] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: well, it has been with the necessary warnings
[10:53] <serenity> but the backports-repo also doesn't garante to work perfect
[10:53] <serenity> +e
[10:53] <Tm_T> serenity: true, but it has more testing behind there
[10:54] <Tm_T> as in more likely to work without issues
[10:54] <mgraesslin> and what about video garbage?
[10:54] <Mamarok> oh come on, if a user wants the latest packages, he/she should be aware of the risks anyway, and not just install without checking waht is installed
[10:54] <Tm_T> Mamarok: indeed
[10:54] <Tm_T> especially when this all is mentioned properly
[10:54] <mgraesslin> sorry to say: but most Kubuntu users asking for support at ubuntuusers.de have no idea at all
[10:55] <Mamarok> it can hardly be our fault if a user does silly things
[10:55] <mgraesslin> they just copy commands to the konsole
[10:55] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: well, tell them then to use their brains before doing things
[10:55] <serenity> Case: User1 wants to have 4.2, enable backports, updates and leaves the repo enabled. One day, linux-header---xyz is ready for update and Soundcard etc isn't working after that.
[10:55] <Mamarok> and read release texts before doing anything, that's what those are made for
[10:56] <mgraesslin> Mamarok: how many users read the 4.0 release note? Or Amarok 2.0? Why were there all these complaints if all users read the release note?
[10:57] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: well, that's their fault, isn't it? And that's the way you also learn not to do things without thinking
[10:58] <Mamarok> or ask for advice before if he(she doesn't have a clue
[10:58] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: we cannot hold peoples hands all the way, really
[10:58] <serenity> what was wrong about the experimental-repo?
[10:58] <serenity> s/about/with
[10:58] <mgraesslin> sorry to say but I totally disagree
[10:58] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: so we should not announce new releases at all, and keep packages away from any public site?
[10:59] <mgraesslin> I want to have Linux work the way that it is "DAU" safe - with that attitude it will not happen
[10:59] <serenity> no, but don't distribute them via backports
[10:59] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: or going back to the good old Debian release cycles, once every 5 years or so... and get a totally outdated system on the desktop
[10:59] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: Linux is IF you stick with official repositories
[11:00] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: we cannot hide new stuff, and would be nonsense to even try
[11:00] <mgraesslin> yeah and the normal user does not want to have the newest releases and understands the danger of non-official repositories
[11:00] <Tm_T> Linux/Ubuntu
[11:00] <Mamarok> serenity: well, as I said, they should *not* have used experimental in the first place, it was really testing, backports are more tested
[11:00] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: that's the job of community to tell about those things
[11:00] <mgraesslin> the release note on kubuntu news did not tell this
[11:00] <serenity> Mamarok: and what about the case i mentioned above?
[11:00] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: did
[11:01] <Tm_T> and does
[11:01] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: why did they upgrade in the first place then? It has never been announced as an official release like 8.10 or 8.04
[11:01] <Tm_T> if not, give a fix patch and it will be fixed
[11:01] <Mamarok> so if the user wants a stable system, he/she should stick with the official release, period.
[11:01] <mgraesslin> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[11:02] <mgraesslin> were is there the information that it could be harmful?
[11:02] <Mamarok> those who complain if they use experimental or backported stuff should have thought before
[11:02] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: its not an offical Kubuntu release, the offical one is 8.10.
[11:02] <Mamarok> not that we wouldn't help out of the mess, but still
[11:03] <Mamarok> that's like tuning a car and not been able to handle it if it's going too fast or is more difficult to steer
[11:03] <Mamarok> not the manufacturers fault, but the users
[11:04] <mgraesslin> sorry then don't put it on the news page
[11:04] <mgraesslin> keep the packages hidden to those who will find it
[11:04] <serenity> Wrong. By distributing via backports you also provide the ''tools'' to tune the car.
[11:05]  * mgraesslin thinks the whole concept of bakcports is wrong in Ubuntu
[11:05] <serenity> +1
[11:05] <Mamarok> oh come on, it has been said and written that this is *not* stable and experimental, and backports are marked to be *not* recommended for basic users, so
[11:05] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: indeed, it isn't told clearly enough, but, its said "Follow the Kubuntu Repository Guide to enable Recommended Updates and Unsupported Updates"
[11:05] <Mamarok> unsupported says it all btw, so if people can't read...
[11:06] <Tm_T> Mamarok: aye, but could be said more clearly IMO
[11:06] <mgraesslin> and everybody speaks a fluent english?
[11:06] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: how this "backports" is wrong?
[11:06]  * Sput finds it quite optimistic to think that Joe Dau Average knows what "unsupported" means
[11:07] <Sput> most users go "omg shiniez" and that's all they think when they see such a checkbox :)
[11:07] <Tm_T> Sput: I kinda agree, glad that most of local communities makes things clear
[11:07] <serenity> so if a user comes around with a f"§$-upped system because of backports, i have to tell him: hey, you wanted 4.2 it's your fault?
[11:07] <Mamarok> Sput: agree, but this is *not* our fault at all
[11:07] <Tm_T> serenity: wouldn't say that
[11:07] <mgraesslin> Tm_T: backports are Pandora's box - there is everything, you get stuff you don't want, you get stuff you want
[11:07] <Mamarok> serenity: yes, and he should have asked before upgrading and have read the warnings, but one can word it differently
[11:08] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: just like backports are supposed to work in large scale
[11:08] <Nightrose> serenity: mgraesslin: has there been a problem already? can we help?
[11:08] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: again, the average users should not activate backports and is told so, if he does it non the less, it's his fault, persiod.
[11:08] <serenity> Nightrose: no yet
[11:08] <Tm_T> Nightrose: not known, just speculation
[11:08] <Nightrose> ok let us know when - i'll help you
[11:09] <Sput> Mamarok: "should have asked" and "read the warnings" is just not something users do
[11:09] <Sput> :)
[11:09] <serenity> Nightrose: it will tell you if so
[11:09] <serenity> ;)
[11:09] <Mamarok> Sput: I know, but this is not our fault
[11:09] <Tm_T> Sput: they should, and we should tell tem to do so
[11:09] <mgraesslin> Nightrose: there is already one thread with a user complaining that the ppa is not available any more
[11:09] <Mamarok> if people are stupid we should be blamed? come on!
[11:09] <Nightrose> can you give me a link?
[11:10] <Tm_T> Nightrose: anyway, maybe we should make a habit to mention when some upgrade isn't "supported by canonical" or similar, to make notice that it's not official in highest level or so
[11:10] <Nightrose> does it matter who is at fault?
[11:10] <Nightrose> stop putting the blame on the other party!
[11:10] <Nightrose> Tm_T: yes definitely
[11:10] <mgraesslin> http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/kde-4.2-update-quelle-nicht-mehr-vorhanden/
[11:10] <Tm_T> miscommunication is everyones fault =)
[11:10] <Nightrose> Tm_T: can you send an email to the devel list?
[11:10] <Nightrose> mgraesslin: thx
[11:10] <Tm_T> Nightrose: will today, remind me if it hasn't happened in 6 hours
[11:11] <Nightrose> ok
[11:11] <mgraesslin> Nightrose: it might be a good idea to put changes like repo not only in the corrseponding news but publish it as a new entry
[11:11] <Nightrose> mgraesslin: *nod* something to think about
[11:11] <mgraesslin> you don't check old news entries for changes of repos
[11:12] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: FYI back when we tried to hide stuff from users, they did dig it out and complain still
[11:12] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: so, really hiding unstable stuff doesn't help
[11:12] <Nightrose> heh good point
[11:13] <mgraesslin> then it needs more warnings
[11:13] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: hidden and KNOWN to be unstable?!
[11:13] <mgraesslin> for us at ubuntuusers.de it was a clear official repo with KDE 4.2 - and we recommended the upgrade cause of the massive improvements compared to 4.1
[11:14] <serenity> "via backports you get 4.2 and _also_ other backported packages which may affect your system''
[11:14] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: from where you took that official part?
[11:14] <mgraesslin> from the fact that it was published in a news on kubuntu.org
[11:14] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: that doesn't make things official (:
[11:15] <Nightrose> well...
[11:15] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: anyway, miscommunication, we should make it more clear what is official and supported
[11:15] <Tm_T> and what is not
[11:15] <serenity> for user xyz it does
[11:15] <mgraesslin> and that it is linked on KDE relaese announcement as packages are available
[11:15] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: indeed
[11:16] <Tm_T> anyway, gottago ->
[11:26] <emonkey> hey apachelogger good morning and a good sunday!
[11:26] <apachelogger> salut emonkey
[11:37] <a|wen> hey apachelogger
[11:50] <apachelogger> o/ a|wen
[11:51] <a|wen> we've been praising your bat-scripts the last days :)
[11:55] <Quintasan> \o
[12:10] <apachelogger> a|wen: sweet :D
[12:11] <a|wen> apachelogger: so be sure to be back in time, if we ever need some maintenance of them ;)
[12:16] <Nightrose> apachelogger: how much longer are you around?
[12:16] <Nightrose> i should tag 2.0.2 today and this would be the test run for the branch tagging
[12:17] <Nightrose> do you have any local changes left?
[12:18] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did I even commit that?
[12:18] <Nightrose> not sure
[12:18] <apachelogger> my latest work that is
[12:19] <apachelogger> branch tagging should be working just fine
[12:19] <apachelogger> I suppose ;-)
[12:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: No new revisions to push.
[12:20] <apachelogger> just give it a shot
[12:20] <apachelogger> I'll take a look at my refactor branch
[12:21] <Nightrose> ok will be another few hours though i thin
[12:21] <Nightrose> k
[12:22] <apachelogger> the statistics stuff might break ... at least it only works for 1 of 3 tries in the refactor branch
[12:22] <apachelogger> not sure about stable
[12:23] <Nightrose> k
[12:41] <JontheEchidna> holas
[12:46] <a|wen> hi JontheEchidna
[12:46] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: writing up feedback now :)
[12:47] <a|wen> thx :)
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> feedback'd
[12:58] <a|wen> much appreciated JontheEchidna
[13:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[13:59] <Quintasan> Stasks is a nice plasmoid
[14:08] <ScottK> JFTR (reading the backscroll) - the KDE 4.2 packages in backports are much more installable and bug fixed than the ones in kubuntu-experimental were.
[14:17] <a|wen> ScottK: they are indeed; you've been doing a great job on them, thx for that! ... but we might want to consider adding a *warning: this is unsupported* to the news
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: the default konq homepage crashes konqueror
[14:19] <a|wen> ScottK: another thing ... is it possible for us to do a copy from PPA to backports? (like security updates is a copy from a PPA); the only real problems we've seen is due to the packages not landing in the repository at the same time
[14:25] <Tonio_> ScottK: hi
[14:25] <Tonio_> ScottK: I have a little question about the NEW queue...
[14:26] <Tonio_> ScottK: I have 2 packages waiting there, that where kde3 apps, now ported to kde4...
[14:26] <Tonio_> ScottK: as they were previously in the archives, do they need a FFE ?
[14:26] <Tonio_> ScottK: I seem to remember Riddell told me they could be approved directly...
[16:20] <ScottK> Tonio_: They do need FFe, but Riddell can give it, so it amounts to you have one.
[16:21] <ScottK> a|wen: It is possible, but has had other problems where copied packages fail to upload once they are built on archs not supported by the PPA.
[16:21] <ScottK> I'm all for clarifications to make it clearer what people are getting into if they upgrade to 4.2 now.
[16:57] <a|wen> ScottK: "Note: These packages are not supported by Canonical; for a stable system it is not recommended to upgrade. KDE 4.2 will be officially supported as part of Kubuntu 9.04 being released April 23rd 2009."
[16:57] <a|wen> ScottK: or something in that area...
[16:57] <ScottK> Fine with me.
[16:58] <a|wen> i think that is what i understood people were missing from the news-item
[16:58]  * ScottK looks at ryanakca to fixor it.
[16:59] <a|wen> ScottK: will 4.2.1 go to kubuntu-experimental or -backports ?
[17:00] <ScottK> Up to Riddell, but I'd say kubuntu-experimental first.
[17:00] <a|wen> i second that!
[17:00] <a|wen> then we should add something similar; probably even with a stronger warning
[17:03] <a|wen> ScottK: maybe just expand the first part a bit to say "These packages are most experimental and not supported by Canonical; ..."
[17:04]  * ScottK doesn't really have the mental bandwidth available ATM to know, but like the idea of warning people.
[17:06] <a|wen> ryanakca: if you go to changing something: maybe we should also change the heading from "Jaunty" to "Jaunty (development release)" just for clarification
[17:16] <ryanakca> a|wen: Jaunty Alpha 5 Released -> Jaunty Alpha 5 (development release) Released ?
[17:17] <a|wen> ryanakca: the Jaunty title in http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[17:18] <ryanakca> a|wen: ah, there, ok. Might as well tackle all the other website bugs while I'm at it.
[17:19] <a|wen> sounds good :)
[17:20] <ryanakca> a|wen: check?
[17:22] <a|wen> ryanakca: doesn't seem to have changed ... some server-side caching?
[17:24] <ryanakca> a|wen: Probably... Check again in a few minutes and let me know if you want me to retweak it again please :)
[17:25] <a|wen> ryanakca: i'll do that ... thx a bunch
[17:47] <a|wen> ryanakca: are you sure you published the changes? ... still no changes
[18:08] <ryanakca> a|wen: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 , right? `` KDE 4.2 has been released. Jaunty (current development release) users can do a full upgrade to get the latest packages. Packages for 8.10 (Intrepid) are in intrepid-backports''
[18:09] <a|wen> ryanakca: ahh ... i was looking at the "Jaunty" title below the picture
[18:10] <a|wen> ryanakca: and i was looking for an added warning somewhere in the intrepid instructions
[18:15] <ryanakca> a|wen: I can append it there. And I'm guessing the subject of the warning is somewheres in the scrollback?
[18:15] <ryanakca> Found it :)
[18:15] <a|wen> quicker than my copy-pasting :)
[18:17] <ryanakca> a|wen: There.
[18:18] <a|wen> ryanakca: perfect! :)
[18:18] <ryanakca> a|wen: Anything else? :)
[18:19] <ryanakca> a|wen: Any comments on bug 327094, or can I stick in the recommended changes?
[18:20] <a|wen> ryanakca: i don't have anything else ... and yeah, that should cover the bug
[18:21] <a|wen> at least what is left of the instructions after changing it for backports
[18:22] <smarter> kpackagekit still don't want to let me upgrade my system here: http://pastebin.com/m2ce850aa
[18:23] <smarter> "The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent was not provided by any .service files" << am I missing another package?
[18:25] <a|wen> smarter: you have kpackagekit, policykit-kde and packagekit ?
[18:25] <smarter> yes
[18:26] <smarter> trying to launch software sources didn't work either: http://pastebin.com/m69f664b4
[18:26] <smarter> it asked for my password and then nothing
[18:26] <a|wen> smarter: and packagekit-backend-apt
[18:26] <a|wen> i suppose
[18:27] <smarter> I guess it's yet-another-python-bug-because-of-ascii-used-as-utf8-only-found-when-locale-is-not-english-so-noone-care
[18:27] <smarter> a|wen: yes
[18:27] <a|wen> smarter: could be one ... test with LANG=C ... if it works scream at $someone
[18:28] <smarter> haha, now it crashed, and apport crashed trying to generate a crash dump :p
[18:29] <smarter> OSError: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/crash/_usr_bin_python2.6.0.crash'
[18:30] <a|wen> oh great... seems python-apport doesn't do automatic filename-increase
[18:30] <smarter> yay for QA
[18:31] <a|wen> who needs that :P
[18:31] <smarter> seems like I'm not the only one who has this problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1075778
[18:35] <smarter> a|wen: does it work for you?
[18:36] <a|wen> smarter: i'm still on intrepid ... might venture for an upgrade after 4.2.1 is out
[18:37] <Quintasan> something needs testing?
[18:40] <smarter> Quintasan: kpackagekit
[18:40] <a|wen> smarter: any output from "ls -1 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/* | xargs grep -Hn org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent" ?
[18:40] <smarter> nop
[18:41] <Quintasan> I have
[18:41] <a|wen> smarter: try to install policykit-gnome and test again?
[18:41] <a|wen> Quintasan: which file? and try to run a dpkg -S on the file
[18:41] <Quintasan> I meant the output :P
[18:42] <a|wen> Quintasan: you on jaunty?
[18:42] <smarter> a|wen: should be on -kde http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent&mode=filename&suite=jaunty&arch=any
[18:42] <Quintasan> yeah
[18:42] <a|wen> Quintasan: "ls -1 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/* | xargs grep -Hn org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent | cut -d: -f1 | xargs dpkg -S" ?
[18:43] <Quintasan> policykit-kde: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/kde-org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent.service
[18:43] <smarter> oh, I'm using policykit-kde 0.2 from $some-ppa and apparently it doesn't have the services file
[18:43] <a|wen> ahh, then no need to look further i presume :)
[18:43] <smarter> $some-ppa=kubuntu-experimental
[18:43] <smarter> is that an old version?
[18:43] <smarter> or a new and buggy version?
[18:44] <a|wen> smarter: old ... from 2008
[18:44] <smarter> a|wen: we totally need an epoch or something then
[18:44] <Quintasan> 0.0+svn920907-0ubuntu1 in jaunty
[18:46] <a|wen> smarter: sounds like it ... or at least an update of the current package
[18:46] <smarter> doesn't work better
[18:46] <smarter> I get "'Authentification error :  :
[18:46] <smarter> I'll reboot
[18:46] <smarter> but first, dinner :]
[18:46] <a|wen> smarter: probably needed
[19:01]  * nixternal wonders if they will ever update eclipse in ubuntu
[19:02] <nixternal> i can't even get 3.4 to work in jaunty :/
[19:02]  * ScottK hands nixternal a mirror.
[19:03] <nixternal> ya, i don't feel like messing with it because we use gcj and openjdk
[19:03] <nixternal> lord knows when that stuff will ever work
[19:03] <ScottK> Well pretty well everyong feels similar.
[19:03]  * ScottK touched it once in Feisty or Gutsy and never again.
[19:04] <smarter> kpackagekit still doesn't work: http://pastebin.com/m54a6f2f8
[19:04] <nixternal> ya, i touched it once upon a time as well
[19:04] <smarter> (yay for helpful messages :p)
[19:04] <nixternal> i like eclipse because it is the all in one ide
[19:04] <nixternal> i can do python, c++, and whatever else I feel like
[19:05] <nixternal> since I do python most of the time, i want to get to like eric
[19:05] <smarter> and actions on notifications don't work here too
[19:05] <ScottK> smarter: What apps?
[19:05] <nixternal> but that is the most confusing ide i have used...i have yet to get code completion working in it
[19:05] <smarter> ScottK: kopete and kpackagekit
[19:05] <ScottK> Those should work.
[19:06] <Nightrose> smarter: kopete actions are known to be broken upstream
[19:06] <smarter> (I'm on 4.2.1, that might explain it :])
[19:06] <Nightrose> at least according to mattr on identi.ca
[19:06] <smarter> ok
[19:06] <smarter> thanks
[19:06] <a|wen> smarter: you are partly on 4.2.1 i suppose ;)
[19:06] <smarter> yep
[19:07] <a|wen> could explain it ... those half-upgraded states are not always the best
[19:08] <a|wen> smarter: at least it is another error now ;)
[19:08] <smarter> a|wen: yes :p
[19:09] <a|wen> have you tested with LANG=C now?
[19:10] <smarter> software-properties-kde? yes, doesn't work better
[19:10] <smarter> thought I'm not sure if kdesudo takes the LANG=C
[19:11] <smarter> yup, even if I put LANG=C sof... in a script and kdesudo it, it doesn't work
[19:11] <smarter> but that might be related to Qt 4.5 not playing well with PyQt 4.4.4
[19:13] <a|wen> there are pretty many places where it could go wrong ... kind of a complex structure
[19:15] <smarter> yup
[19:15] <smarter> maybe python2.6 is doing something wrong too
[19:18] <a|wen> another possibility
[19:28]  * ScottK notes amarok 2.0.2 tagged.
[19:33] <smarter> oh, shiny
[19:36] <smarter> O_o: http://pastebin.com/mf83010c
[19:38] <a|wen> looks like something that needs a recompile qt4.5 / python2.6
[19:38] <smarter> probably
[21:11] <Quintasan> night guys
[21:14] <hunger> Would have been really nice to mention the known issues of ubuntu alpha5 in the kubuntu release notes, too.
[23:28] <ScottK> All it takes is someone to write them.
[23:28] <ScottK> The Python 2.6 stuff came after anyway.