[00:00] <cjwatson> I just filed bug 336063; I know it's an inconvenient time but I would appreciate quick attention if possible, as it's sending me a *lot* of mail
[00:03] <stgraber> got a few for LTSP's template too 2 or 3 batches (template + each language with a po)
[00:03]  * wgrant sees a total of 0 Translations people around.
[00:04] <cjwatson> stgraber: that could just be bug 333772; this one seems to be too many for that
[00:06] <wgrant> Also relevant is bug #335831
[00:06]  * wgrant sends it to rosetta.
[00:06] <cjwatson> mm, failure notifications are great, success notifications possibly a bit overkill
[01:15] <dhart> on the PPA, I'm building for hardy, intrepid and jaunty, bumping package names like 0ubuntu1~dhart1, 0ubuntu1~dhart2, 0ubuntu1~dhart3 and re-uploading with dput for each release bump. is this right?
[01:32] <wgrant> dhart: That's not how I would advise to do it.
[01:32] <wgrant> Let me find some examples..
[01:33] <dhart> I tried the 'copy packages' button, and encountered https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/330711
[01:34] <wgrant> dhart: That's just a bug about how it is displayed; you can't encounter a problem with it as such.
[01:34] <wgrant> In general, I will upload 1.2-3~wgrant1 to Hardy, and copy (with binaries) to Intrepid and Jaunty.
[01:35] <dhart> yes, but it would be nice if the PPA could rebuild from the same sources for a new series (i.e. intrepid > jaunty), without a version bump & re-upload
[01:35] <wgrant> If copying the binaries isn't possible, I will either upload ~wgrant1 to Jaunty, ~wgrant1~8.10 to Intrepid.
[01:35] <wgrant> That's impossible both because of how Debian archives work and how dpkg works.
[01:36] <dhart> yeah, that's what I gathered from the comments in https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/330711 - at least I know now what works. :-)
[03:23] <MTecknology> joey: hi
[03:28] <joey> hi MTecknology
[03:28] <MTecknology> joey: how's it going?
[03:29] <joey> better than this morning....sever at home failed.....
[03:29] <joey> still doing configuration
[03:29] <MTecknology> ouch
[03:29] <joey> on a backup box to get it up
[03:29] <MTecknology> I'm trying to get skype to work :P
[03:29] <MTecknology> wanna trade?
[03:30] <joey> I'm reasonably good with skype :-)
[03:31] <MTecknology> I just realize that test sound uses the ringing device :P
[03:34] <MTecknology> drupal-launchpad projects?
[03:34] <MTecknology> wrong channel
[03:34] <MTecknology> joey: It's a pain because I can make it play through a usb device but not the mic jack
[03:38] <joey> MTecknology, ah. try playing with alsactl and alsamixer
[03:39] <joey> MTecknology, I actually want it to go USB since I use a usb headset
[03:39] <MTecknology> up - usb is working good now
[03:40] <MTecknology> joey: do work closely with stu at all?
[03:43] <joey> MTecknology, I used to before he worked at Canonical.... now, no. Sad, he's a nice guy
[03:43] <MTecknology> ya, hard to get a hold of though :P
[03:44] <joey> let me know on Monday if you are still waiting on answerrs
[03:44] <MTecknology> I've been talking to him for a few weeks now - anywhere from 1 to 2 weeks between replies :P
[03:44] <joey> ok, I got bitlbee and radvd working now....  time to switch computers
[03:44] <joey> busy guy he is
[03:44] <MTecknology> I bet
[03:44] <MTecknology> and I help so much....
[03:45] <MTecknology> Trying to convince him to start developing on our branches instead of theirs :P
[03:46] <joey> good luck with that :-)
[03:46] <MTecknology> joey: we're trying to convince kiko that we deserve a super project for the ubuntu-drupal thing :)
[03:46] <joey> ah, yeah those project-group requests I stay clear of
[03:46] <MTecknology> He already wants to do it, it's just figuring out exactly how
[03:46] <joey> politics
[03:47] <joey> ok, I'm off. Ping me on Monday if you need an answer from Stu on anything
[03:47] <MTecknology> eh
[03:47] <MTecknology> ok
[03:47] <MTecknology> ttyl
[04:29] <YokoZar> Is lawrencium build-d down?  I've had my hardy-i386 ppa package in there for 22 hours now, still unbuilt (all other hardy arches and all arches on intrepid built within 30 minutes)
[07:55] <cjwatson> wgrant: re dhart's question: it's not impossible, just difficult. see bug 235064 where I gave two practical suggestions
[07:56] <cjwatson> wgrant: (though comments in bug 245594 about why it may be a bad idea ...)
[08:01] <wgrant> cjwatson: I don't perceive +bN as being a real solution. But it is the closest there is.
[08:02] <wgrant> But true, it's not impossible.
[08:02] <cjwatson> seems like a real solution to me :-) I just commented on 245594
[08:03] <wgrant> Alright, I certainly trust you on that.
[08:03] <wgrant> But I've tended to agree with infinity.
[08:05] <cjwatson> I have some sympathy with Adam's arguments, but there's no way to satisfy them while also having single-architecture rebuilds (well, perhaps apart from shipping multiple versions of a single source package in a given release), and I think that's desirable, so ...
[08:06] <wgrant> Right, but it feels very dirty.
[08:06] <wgrant> But perhaps no more dirty than rebuilding on all archs should.
[08:13] <cjwatson> the external representation is a little ugly; I prefer to think of it in slightly more abstract terms - just another set of builds linked to a source package, and hey, they gotta have distinct version numbers ...
[08:14] <wgrant> cjwatson: But the version is a maintainer-specified field.
[08:15] <cjwatson> Hmm. That aspect of it has never really bothered me.
[08:16] <cjwatson> After all, all sorts of maintainer-specified things get modified in various ways. As long as you regard the fact that it may be modified as part of the specification ...
[08:16] <wgrant> I guess that we already somewhat dictate the part after the final -
[08:16] <wgrant> But not for PPAs.
[08:16] <cjwatson> indeed, as a Debian maintainer I always expected that the version might be modified
[12:44] <cumulus007> Hi, I created a list of Ubuntu-specific applications that can be translated on LP:
[12:44] <cumulus007> http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/UbuntuNL/Vertaalteam/Status
[12:44] <cumulus007> It's Dutch, but I think you can figure it out
[12:50] <adiroiban> hi cumulus007, sometimes LP channel is very busy
[12:51] <adiroiban> can you also post it on #ubuntu-translators :D ?
[12:51] <adiroiban> your list is very useful
[12:51] <adiroiban> I'm working at creating a custom view for the translation list
[12:52] <cumulus007> Sure it is, so I think others would like to have it
[12:52] <adiroiban> and i'm trying to link the upstream project
[12:52] <adiroiban> http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/jaunty-l10n-status/ro.html
[12:52] <adiroiban> i'm still working on it
[12:52] <cumulus007> that's awesome
[12:52] <cumulus007> way beter than current
[12:52] <adiroiban> soon i will also make it available for dutch
[12:52] <adiroiban> :)
[12:53] <cumulus007> Does it have a filter for Ubuntu-specific stuff?
[12:53] <adiroiban> i will use your list for marking ubuntu
[12:53] <adiroiban> yes
[12:53] <cumulus007> because that's something I really mis in LP
[12:53] <cumulus007> great :)
[12:53] <adiroiban> search for upstream project
[12:53] <adiroiban> "ubuntu"
[12:53] <adiroiban> you can search by template name
[12:53] <adiroiban> or upstream project name
[12:54] <cumulus007> btw, not all programs in my list are ubuntu-specific
[12:55] <adiroiban> yep,
[12:55] <adiroiban> i saw this now
[12:55] <cumulus007> I put ndisgtk in it, because it's dutch translation is really bad
[13:02] <adiroiban> you can work with upstream ndisgtk guys
[13:02] <adiroiban> and fix it :D
[13:03] <cumulus007> ndisgtk has it's project hosted on LP
[13:03] <cumulus007> so LP _is_ it's upstream ;)
[13:04] <adiroiban> yes
[13:05] <adiroiban> but talk with the developersa
[13:05] <adiroiban> and ask them to switch to "Structured" translations
[13:05] <adiroiban> mode
[13:05] <adiroiban> and assign Ubuntu translators or Launchpad translators
[13:05] <adiroiban> as translation team
[13:05] <adiroiban> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanianTeam/Proiecte/Localizare/SablonModelStructurat
[13:06] <adiroiban> this is my text I'm using to request such thing
[13:06] <adiroiban> using the Answer section of that project
[13:06] <adiroiban> or contct the maintainer
[13:08] <cumulus007> erhm, is ndigtk set to open mode?
[13:12] <adiroiban> yep
[13:13] <cumulus007> that's sad
[13:15] <littlewookie> am i so fucking dumb, where can i find key fingerprint
[13:15] <adiroiban> cumulus007: can you please ask them to swith to a structured mode
[13:16] <adiroiban> giving dutch translations quality as a good reason to do so?
[13:16] <cumulus007> doing that right now
[13:16] <adiroiban> great
[13:22] <tobiaskrieger> hi
[13:22] <tobiaskrieger> just a simple question
[13:23] <tobiaskrieger> how can I upload files located somewhere in my user directory
[13:23] <tobiaskrieger> into an launchpad branch
[13:24] <adiroiban> do you got those files from launchpad?
[13:24] <adiroiban> or just want to create a new branch ?
[14:50] <swegner> my VCS import was put on hold because of some sort of launchpad bug: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/pathwords-x/trunk  Does anybody know where I can find more info?
[14:57] <cumulus007> adiroiban: hey, about your new translation view mode: are you a LP dev?
[15:03] <adiroiban> no
[15:03] <adiroiban> but as far as i know
[15:03] <adiroiban> there we should see some improvements
[15:04] <adiroiban> in the templates list
[15:04] <adiroiban> in about one mount
[15:04] <cumulus007> okay, grwat
[15:04] <cumulus007> /w/e
[17:10] <LarstiQ> swegner: I'd look for a similar issue on bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad or answers.launchpad.
[17:11] <LarstiQ> swegner: if that doesn't help, file a bug/question against launchpad
[17:13] <swegner> LarstiQ: thanks, couldn't find anything, so I opened a question: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/62718
[17:14] <LarstiQ> swegner: cool
[18:18] <madduck> piper:~|master|.tmp/cdt.pkTyJoYA% bzr -Dhpss clone lp:pytagsfs                                 #3,10022
[18:18] <madduck> Permission denied (publickey).
[18:18] <madduck> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[18:18] <madduck> \o/
[18:18] <madduck> so, uh, how exactly am I supposed to use launchpad?
[18:30] <james_w> madduck: does "ssh bazaar.launchpad.net" work?
[18:31] <madduck> Permission denied (publickey).
[18:31] <madduck> i assume i am 'madduck'
[18:31] <james_w> looks like it
[18:31] <james_w> https://launchpad.net/~madduck/+sshkeys
[18:32] <james_w> do you have one of those keys on that machine?
[18:32] <madduck> i thought so... lemme check
[18:33] <madduck> ah those are old.
[18:33] <madduck> good spot. thanks.
[18:33]  * madduck feels ashamed
[18:35] <madduck> now it's cloning, but...
[18:35] <madduck> Format <RepositoryFormatKnit1> for lp-45955728:///~forest-bond/pytagsfs/dev/.bzr is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance
[18:35] <madduck> Server is too old for streaming pull, reconnecting.  (Upgrade the server to Bazaar 1.2 to avoid this)
[18:35] <madduck> that's pretty confusing
[19:28] <MTecknology> If you're sure that it's not being modified, use bzr break-lock lp-45955728:///~ubuntu-drupal-themes/ubuntu-drupal-theme/6.x/.bzr/branch/lock
[19:28] <MTecknology> michael@panther:~/ubuntu-drupal-theme/ubuntu-loco$ bzr break-lock lp-45955728:///~ubuntu-drupal-themes/ubuntu-drupal-theme/6.x/.bzr/branch/lock
[19:28] <MTecknology> bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "lp-45955728:///~ubuntu-drupal-themes/ubuntu-drupal-theme/6.x/.bzr/branch/lock
[19:28] <MTecknology> oohh - sorry for that paste
[19:28] <MTecknology> but that is my issue, any ideas what's wrong?
[19:29] <MTecknology> nvm......
[19:32] <MTecknology> heh... something broke during commit
[20:04] <MTecknology> I'm getting bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions when I try to pull a branch
[20:11] <thumper> MTecknology: the break lock response isn't overly helpful
[20:11] <thumper> MTecknology: there is an outstanding bug to make it right
[20:11] <thumper> MTecknology: bzr break-lock lp:~ubuntu-drupal-themes/ubuntu-drupal-theme/6.x
[20:11] <thumper> MTecknology: that should work
[20:15] <MTecknology> thumper: ya, it took me a while to figure out to use lp:~ instead of what it was listing
[20:29] <RainCT> Hi
[20:30] <RainCT> If someone is around, when do you think will Launchpad be working "normal" again? I'm getting lots of timeouts lately trying to load bug reports... (Or does this only happen on edge?)
[20:30] <wgrant> RainCT: Always try production in this sort of situation.
[20:32] <RainCT> Uhm.. Yes, production works way smoother
[20:32] <RainCT> Thanks
[20:43] <edsu> hi there i feel a bit daft, is there a way for me to add another maintainer to https://launchpad.net/pymarc ?
[20:48] <LarstiQ> edsu: does +edit work?
[20:48] <LarstiQ> that is, https://launchpad.net/pymarc/+edit/
[20:48] <LarstiQ> you might need to form a team, set it as the owner/driver/bugcontact/whatever and include the other maintainer to that
[20:49] <ploum> hello
[20:49] <ploum> I'm trying to upload the package of my python application
[20:49] <ploum> I've followed https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[20:50] <ploum> but the package only build for i386
[20:52] <edsu> LarstiQ: ahh i missed that People tab, thank you much!
[20:54] <RainCT> ploum: what Arch do you have in debian/control?
[20:57] <ploum> Architecture: any
[20:58] <ploum> but when I do dpkg-buildpackage, only i386 package is generated
[20:59] <geser> ploum: is that package gtg?
[21:00] <ploum> geser: yes
[21:02] <geser> your binary-arch target is broken as it doesn't produce a deb
[21:03] <ploum> and why does it works for i386 then ?
[21:04] <geser> ploum: because on i386 the buildd calls the binary target which calls binary-arch and binary-indep (which builds the deb)
[21:04] <ploum> how can I test it ?
[21:05] <geser> ploum: test what?
[21:05] <ploum> if it will works without uploading to LP ?
[21:06] <geser> ploum: looking at the package contents in the i386 build: does it really need to be build on every arch? I don't see any arch-specific files
[21:06] <geser> ploum: you can use pbuilder for it (pbuilder has an option to call only the binary-arch target)
[21:07] <ploum> I must admit that I'm trying to do this packages for 3 days and that I'm completely lost
[21:07] <ploum> it's one of the hardest thing I've ever seen in my Ubuntu life
[21:08] <ploum> In fact binary and binary-arch should be the same for me, isn't it ?
[21:08] <ploum> (as it's pure python only)
[21:09] <geser> ploum: without a deep analysis but I guess setting Architecture: all will be enough
[21:10] <geser> ploum: and you should certainly depend on "python (<< 2.6)" as your package won't work on jaunty (which has now python 2.6 as default) because the files are inside a directory which is only used by python 2.5
[21:12] <ploum> thanks for the tips
[21:13] <ploum> how can I mark that python should be 2.5
[21:13] <ploum> but not 2.6 ?
[21:13] <ploum> that's two condition at the same time
[21:18] <geser> python (>= 2.5), python (<< 2.6), ...
[21:18] <geser> as Depends:
[21:18] <ploum> thanks
[21:19] <ploum> it seems to work
[22:02] <ilowe> hi guys, how do I delete orig.tar.gz and diff.tar.gz files when uploading a package; I need to replace the current contents of those files and PPA won't let me upload my package because of it
[22:03] <Bert_2> Hi, this question seems like a bug https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+question/62647 but I don't know what I should do with it and what things I need to have this guy do to get the right info, any help ?
[22:04] <Bert_2> and BTW: I also asked this in #ubuntu-bugs but they aren't answering
[23:39] <cjwatson> hmm. well, the upside of being repeatedly spammed about translation imports on the hour every hour is that I appear to have gained enormous translations karma :-P
[23:41] <spm> cjwatson: the silver lining? :-D
[23:41] <Nafallo> haha
[23:43] <wgrant> I bet katie is going to get a bit.
[23:45] <Nafallo> wgrant: gaah. thinking about the wrong katie here... ;-)
[23:46] <wgrant> Nafallo: I knew you would.
[23:46] <wgrant> cjwatson: Have you actually made as many uploads as your karma list shows, or is Rosetta/Soyuz on crack?
[23:55] <cjwatson> wgrant: it's on crack
[23:56] <wgrant> cjwatson: Excellent.
[23:56] <cjwatson> wgrant: it's stuck reprocessing the same upload over and over every hour. bug 336063
[23:56] <wgrant> Ah, so it's that same bug.