[00:02] <bruce89> at least aptitude doesn't install or remove stuff without your consent
[00:04] <BUGabundo> nor does apt-get distupgrade or UM
[00:05] <teethdood> who is responsible for the new login artwork? that thing is nice!
[00:07] <bruce89> anyway, I like to know exactly what is going on package-wise
[00:14] <Peddyt>  does anyone know when the python problem is going to be fixed?
[00:15] <Hobbsee> sometime after monday.
[00:16] <BUGabundo> in less then one 1 week
[00:16] <BUGabundo> but that can also expose new probs or strange dependencies
[00:16] <bruce89> just under 2 weeks in Murrayfield
[00:18] <melik> i <3 ext4
[00:19]  * BUGabundo shares http://www.funtasticus.com/20090226/car-shows-are-better-with-boobs/
[00:21]  * bruce89 wished empathy didn't log IRC
[00:26] <BUGabundo> bruce89: seyon points the logs to /dev/null
[00:38] <bruce89> test
[00:39] <BUGabundo> bruce89: pong
[00:39] <bruce89> hmm
[00:39] <BUGabundo> deve null not working?
[00:39] <bruce89> clearly not
[00:41] <bruce89> only a few megabytes anyway
[00:43] <BUGabundo> yah
[00:44] <BUGabundo> $ du .purple/logs/ -sch
[00:44] <BUGabundo> 343M	.purple/logs/
[00:45] <bruce89> yikes
[00:45] <BUGabundo> I have logs from the time I used gaim
[00:45]  * wgrant has a gigabyte of IRC logs.
[00:46]  * bruce89 feels a lot better about my 4 MB
[00:48] <BUGabundo> eheeheh
[00:48] <bruce89> also, there may be a time I want to know that I've said "Firhill" 4 times
[00:48] <BUGabundo> I NEVER delete anything
[00:48]  * crdlb needs to find a way to make irssi only keep a few weeks of the #ubuntu log
[00:49] <BUGabundo> crdlb: cron makes wonders
[00:49] <BUGabundo> or the logserv
[00:49] <crdlb> while irssi is running? ;/
[00:51] <Hobbsee> crdlb: logrotate?
[00:51] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:51] <BUGabundo> just trunk them
[00:52] <BUGabundo> should work
[00:53] <crdlb> how is that supposed to work if irssi has the log open?
[00:56] <crdlb> I guess I can configure irssi to use a new log file each month
[00:59]  * DaemonFC still wonders why a human being would use irssi
[00:59] <DaemonFC> are you on an XO laptop or something?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> DaemonFC: many reasons.  It's a nice client
[01:00] <crdlb> I'm on a laptop, but it runs in screen on a desktop
[01:00] <DaemonFC> there were better IRC clients than irssi 10 years ago
[01:00] <crdlb> so I can suspend the laptop, lose wifi, etc. and nobody knows
[01:01] <Hobbsee> crdlb: for bonus points, you can use bip and any irc client you choose, but that works too ;)
[01:03] <crdlb> meh :>
[01:03] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: "bip"?
[01:03] <DaemonFC> you can browse the web in the terminal with links or Arachne B-)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: irc proxy
[01:03] <DaemonFC> the wave of the future
[01:03] <DaemonFC> errr, lynx even
[01:03] <Hobbsee> sure, but they don't have so many plugins ;)
[01:05] <bruce89> just as well
[01:05] <crdlb> when irc gets images, maybe I'll switch :)
[01:05] <BUGabundo> heehe
[01:08] <bruce89> ew, flash
[01:10] <DaemonFC> no flash, no Chris Crocker
[01:10] <BUGabundo> uh uh uh java
[01:10] <DaemonFC> if it can't handle Flash, I don't want it
[01:10] <DaemonFC> :P
[01:10] <BUGabundo> and their rooted applets
[01:10]  * DaemonFC hates JAVA
[01:10]  * DaemonFC does not install JAVA
[01:11]  * bruce89 wonders why people capitalise things they don't like
[01:12] <DaemonFC> that's why Flash took off like it did, because JAVA is so slow to start and takes so many system resources
[01:12]  * pavs hates PEANUT BUTTER
[01:12] <bruce89> and Flash is different?
[01:12] <DaemonFC> because I believe that JAVA is supposed to be capitalized
[01:12] <DaemonFC> unless you are talking about the Isle of Java
[01:12] <bruce89> !java
[01:12] <DaemonFC> or I'll go have a cup of java
[01:13] <bruce89> doesn't stand for anything, just link Mono
[01:13] <DaemonFC> Mono means Monkey
[01:13] <DaemonFC> I suppose because only a monkey would want to use Mono
[01:13] <bruce89> heh
[01:14] <bruce89> code monkey perhaps
[01:14] <DaemonFC> you can remove Mono from any distro except for possibly Suse
[01:14] <DaemonFC> with no ill effects
[01:14]  * bruce89 has on this thing, I don't care for anything it uses
[01:15] <bruce89> that uses it
[01:15] <DaemonFC> if you remove Mono from Ubuntu or Fedora, it takes out F-Spot (use gphoto instead) and Tomboy notes (takes 37 megs of RAM running as an applet)
[01:15] <DaemonFC> so nothing huge
[01:16] <bruce89> there are too many runtimes as it is I think
[01:16] <DaemonFC> oh, and you can't use Banshee without it (Rhythmbox is better) and you can't use Moonlight (Who cares?)
[01:16] <bruce89> if anything is worse than Flash, Silverlight is
[01:17] <bruce89> all that crap is used for now is for video anyway
[01:17] <DaemonFC> I tried Moonlight just to play with it, usually you get turned away from a Silverlight site cause you're not using Windows
[01:17] <DaemonFC> and if you get cute and spoof user agent, it will crash Firefox even if it does anything at all
[01:18] <bruce89> not to mention a lot of sites are on to silverlight 2.0
[01:18] <DaemonFC> and Moonlight only works in Firefox
[01:18] <DaemonFC> and you can only get it from Novell
[01:18] <bruce89> Novell will be forever be playing catch-up, but hopefully all this will die out
[01:18] <DaemonFC> and if you try to play a video in it you have to go download Windows Media codecs from a Microsoft site
[01:19] <bruce89> the video playing non-free things that is
[01:19] <DaemonFC> and agree to a really bad EULA
[01:19] <DaemonFC> Novell is replacing every standard GNOME app with one that runs in Mono
[01:19] <bruce89> it's rare I agree with Mozilla, but it's good they are pushing <video>
[01:19] <DaemonFC> I really don't like where they are going with this
[01:19] <bruce89> I don't think they are doing that
[01:20] <DaemonFC> they replace Rhythmbox with Banshee, they replace Transmission or Deluge or whatever with Monsoon
[01:20] <DaemonFC> many other programs
[01:20] <bruce89> that's up to them
[01:20] <DaemonFC> every extension they have for Evolution is all Mono
[01:20] <bruce89> Transmission and Rhythmbox are not in GNOME
[01:20] <DaemonFC> yeah, I am just hoping that it doesn't creep into GNOME like that
[01:21] <bruce89> Tomboy is to date the only Mono thing in it
[01:21] <DaemonFC> http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/FAQ
[01:22] <DaemonFC> http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox
[01:22] <DaemonFC> it's a part of GNOME, right?
[01:22] <crdlb> yes
[01:22] <bruce89> no
[01:22] <bruce89> http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyfive/Desktop
[01:23] <crdlb> mhh
[01:23] <bruce89> not there, it's not officially in GNOME, but used a lot
[01:23] <DaemonFC> hmmm, I guess they jsut work closely with the Rhythmbox guys
[01:24] <bruce89> well, it's all hosted by GNOME (bugzilla, SVN etc.)
[01:24] <crdlb> I guess I was thinking of totem
[01:24] <DaemonFC> yeah, Totem is
[01:24] <DaemonFC> I don't much use it though
[01:25] <DaemonFC> Rhythmbox for music, VLC for videos
[01:25] <bruce89> I'm not sure why they don't suggest Rhythmbox
[01:26] <ali1234> cos it's extremely unstable?
[01:26] <DaemonFC> no idea, the latest Rhythmbox Subversion builds have gotten really good
[01:26] <DaemonFC> Rhythmbox used to be the first thing I ripped out of a GNOME install
[01:27] <bruce89> perhaps the 0.11 version number has something to do with it
[01:27] <DaemonFC> it feels fairly complete
[01:27] <bruce89> ah, I've got it - it's having to adhere to the GNOME schedule
[01:28] <DaemonFC> so they want more autonomy?
[01:28] <bruce89> the 0.11 "unstable" series has been on the go for ages
[01:30] <DaemonFC> hmm, they Nautilus CD burner is being deprecated
[01:30] <DaemonFC> *the
[01:31] <DaemonFC> I was wondering when they were going to get rid of that
[01:31] <crdlb> aww, it's pretty useful at times
[01:31] <bruce89> not until brasero was accepted
[01:32] <DaemonFC> crdlb: It's kind of stupid to have two things laying around that do the same thing
[01:32] <DaemonFC> just means more bugs for no reason
[01:33] <DaemonFC> speaking of which, has Epiphany gotten in better in 2.25?
[01:33] <crdlb> hmm, I'll always remember brasero as that thing that abused draggable frames
[01:33] <DaemonFC> *any
[01:33] <crdlb> DaemonFC: it will be basically identical
[01:34] <crdlb> since the effort is going into the webkit port for 2.28
[01:34] <bruce89> with a nice address bar
[01:34] <crdlb> they put that in 2.26?
[01:34] <DaemonFC> crdlb: Wouldn't the frontend work be worth it though?
[01:34] <bruce89> yup, it was nice
[01:34] <crdlb> DaemonFC: what do you mean?
[01:35] <DaemonFC> does it still not let you tell it to open new windows in tabs instead of new windows?
[01:35] <crdlb> the webkit port has that now
[01:35] <crdlb> gecko didn't allow it
[01:35] <DaemonFC> I was messing around with Epiphany in Fedora and was trying to hand edit config files and it would just overwrite them and do what it wanted to do again :P
[01:36] <DaemonFC> do they have an adblock for the Webkit version?
[01:36] <bruce89> not yet
[01:36] <bruce89> oops, yes there is
[01:37] <crdlb> webkit also doesn't have the gtkmozembed bug where clicking on a link after using the ctrl+F bar will make the page scroll
[01:37] <DaemonFC> seems like Epiphany has broken dependencies at the moment
[01:39] <DaemonFC> btw, Moonlight seems to be in the repo now
[01:39] <DaemonFC> yay
[01:39] <DaemonFC> :P
[01:40]  * bruce89 can now bask in the crashy goodness
[01:42] <phil_ps> installed jaunty on a virtualbox VM
[01:42] <phil_ps> mounting shared folder is not working...
[01:42] <phil_ps> sudo mount -t vboxsf share /mnt/share
[01:43] <phil_ps> $/sbin/mount.vboxsf: mounting failed with the error: Protocol error
[01:49] <DaemonFC> hmm the plan was to have Epiphany Webkit in GNOME 2.26
[01:49] <DaemonFC> yes?
[01:50] <bruce89> it keeps getting pushed back
[01:50] <bruce89> 2.24, 2.26, 2.28
[01:52] <crdlb> and the problem isn't ephy, it's that webkit-gtk isn't done
[01:52] <crdlb> but development has really picked up
[01:52] <crdlb> we have persistent cookies now, which is nice
[01:52] <bruce89> accessibility issues
[01:53] <crdlb> there are more problems than just that
[01:53] <crdlb> that's just the showstopper
[01:53] <tc111> i'm looking for the k10temp or amdtemp module/driver... anyone know what the status is on this and/or where i can find it?
[01:53] <bruce89> is the pango backend the default?
[01:54] <crdlb> bruce89: there's basically only freetype now, but it still uses pango
[01:56]  * bruce89 is very pleased to see the JavaScript extension support in Epiphany
[01:59] <crdlb> seed is cool
[02:00] <bruce89> I'm slightly concerned about the GJS/Seed issue
[02:01] <crdlb> seed has a better name, therefore it's better
[02:02] <bruce89> indeed, and GJS is retrogressive somewhat requiring Mozilla's JS library
[02:05] <BUGabundo> bed time guys
[02:05] <BUGabundo> see you tomorrow
[02:05] <BUGabundo> for a fresh batch of bugs
[02:05] <bruce89> night
[02:14] <linkinx64> is there any problems running awn on jaunty?
[02:34] <mluser-home> Anyone know how I can disable pulseaudio system wide?
[02:59] <DaemonFC> mluser-home: Better to just leave it alone
[03:13] <mluser-home> DaemonFC: if I uninstall pulseaudio then my audio problems go away with wine games and miro, but it also uninstalls ubuntu-desktop
[03:16] <DaemonFC> ubuntu-desktop is just an empty package that depends on the rest of the default crap
[03:18] <DaemonFC> ubuntu-desktop is already gone if you're fully upgraded your packages
[03:18] <DaemonFC> that's a bug that happened today
[03:18] <Slartibartfast> Kubuntu desktop is very unstable at the moment
[03:19] <Slartibartfast> rendering of everything is messed up
[03:21] <mluser-home> DaemonFC: thanks for your help
[03:22] <DaemonFC> yep
[03:22] <Slartibartfast> beside nepomukserver, also nepomukservices, python, kmix and kwalletmanager get zombified right after start
[03:23] <ali1234> well isn't there some known bug with python atm?
[03:23] <Slartibartfast> ali1234: not that i know of
[03:38] <DaemonFC> alil234: THey're currently rebuilding things with Python 3.0
[03:38] <DaemonFC> anything that depends on Python is liable to break
[03:45] <maco> ali1234: python 2.6, i think
[03:45] <maco> DaemonFC: ^
[03:46] <Slartibartfast> DaemonFC: isn't it then safer to wait a few days with upgrades ? .... to give them time to upgrade the depending packages/ programs?
[03:46] <maco> yep
[03:46] <maco> you can do apt-get upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade
[03:47] <DaemonFC> meh
[03:47] <maco> but dont do a apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade
[03:47] <maco> bah kubuntu desktop has had crappy rendering and graphical artifacts the whole time. that's not a new-as-of-today thing
[03:48] <maco> (by "whole time" i mean "throughout jaunty")
[03:48] <Slartibartfast> maco: until a few days ago i had no problems .... although i use therestricted nvidia module .....
[03:49] <Slartibartfast> but since the last nvidia update i have big problems
[03:50] <Slartibartfast> can't normaly shutdown anymore and need to kill X ... had to disable dontzap (enable CTRL ALT BKSP)
[03:51] <maco> ouch
[03:51] <maco> im using -intel and on KDE there are a ton of graphical artifacts for me
[03:52] <maco> sometimes windows will just stop drawing...like ill switch workspaces and instead of showing the app, itll show the window as a big blank greyness
[03:52] <Slartibartfast> wow ... that sounds bad
[03:54] <Slartibartfast> maco: did you file a bug report? ... and aginst what package would you do that?
[03:55] <Slartibartfast> kwin?
[03:56] <maco> i have no idea
[03:56] <maco> its known that the screen artifacts are crappy though
[03:56] <Slartibartfast> He, just looking here .. and it seems that kwin is not even installed here :-( ... how can i have a full kde desktop without kwin(-kde4)
[03:56] <maco> it doesnt need tosay -kde4...if thats what youre asking
[03:57] <maco> -kde4 is just the transitional package for upgrades
[03:57] <maco> i do need to look at bugs reported on kwin though, you're right. ive had *weird* behavior with it
[03:58] <Slartibartfast> but that package is not even installed here ..... how can that be?
[03:58] <Slartibartfast> what then is the windows manager for kde?
[03:59] <maco> er...thats it...
[03:59] <maco> oh woah wait
[04:00] <maco> hrm maybe its plasma then?
[04:00] <maco> ah
[04:00] <maco> kde-window-manager
[04:00] <maco> apt-cache show kwin says that its a dummy package to pull in kde-window-manager
[04:00] <Slartibartfast> Mmmm :-) ... maybe a question for #kde
[04:00] <Slartibartfast> aha ..... ok ok
[04:01] <Slartibartfast> ii  kde-window-manager                      4:4.2.0-0ubuntu8                        the KDE 4 window manager (KWin)
[04:01] <Slartibartfast> OK thats installed
[04:03]  * Slartibartfast is going to make some coffee
[04:07] <linkinx64> ok.....my volume icon suddenly disappeared
[04:07] <linkinx64> :( and no sound
[04:09] <maco> linkinx64: er...gnome or kde? if gnome: the new notification area one that i think was thrown out or the old applet one?
[04:09] <linkinx64> gnome
[04:09] <linkinx64> but alsamixer shows...everything up
[04:09] <linkinx64> and....no sound
[04:09] <maco> ps -ef | grep pulse
[04:10] <maco> does that tell you pulseaudio is running?
[04:10] <linkinx64> let me see
[04:10] <linkinx64> yes sir
[04:10] <maco> and what are you trying to play sound out of?
[04:10] <linkinx64> wait lol..installing mp3 codecs
[04:10] <linkinx64> let me see
[04:10] <maco> a gnome app or flash or...?
[04:11] <linkinx64> no sound
[04:11] <linkinx64> :( just music
[04:11] <maco> what?
[04:11] <maco> oh
[04:11] <linkinx64> im playing music and no sound
[04:11] <maco> ok i thought that was "There's no sound, only music"
[04:11] <maco> which didnt make sense
[04:11] <maco> ^_^
[04:11] <linkinx64> lol
[04:11] <maco> what application? rhythmbox?
[04:11] <linkinx64> mplayer
[04:12] <maco> how long ago did it stop working?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> maco: does switching from opengl to xrender help?
[04:13] <linkinx64> maco,  well i installed it today alpha 5 and i had sound...dont remember when i stop noticing :(
[04:13] <maco> Hobbsee: im in gnome right now so i cant test, and even if i was in kde i dont know what that means
[04:13] <maco> linkinx64: did you install updates?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> maco: there's an option in system settings, appearance, iirc
[04:13] <Hobbsee> the main desktop effects thing.
[04:13] <linkinx64> mmmmmm i have nto gotten any
[04:13] <linkinx64> i believe
[04:13] <maco> Hobbsee: ok, ill try that later then
[04:13] <linkinx64> let me restart
[04:13] <Hobbsee> advanced tab
[04:14] <maco> linkinx64: ok...this might be part of the ongoing work for pulseaudio auto-spawn
[04:14]  * Hobbsee is also back in gnome, so can't give exact paths, but found that worked for her.
[04:14] <linkinx64> maco,  ho wow
[04:14] <maco> linkinx64: try just restarting pulse: pulseaudio -k && start-pulseaudio-x11
[04:14] <linkinx64> we should have some kind of notification about this stuff
[04:14] <maco> linkinx64: um, we did
[04:14] <maco> on the ubuntu-devel mailing list, ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list, on daniel chen's blog, on identi.ca...
[04:15] <maco> (his blog is on Planet Ubuntu Users / Ubuntu Weblogs)
[04:15] <linkinx64> ho
[04:15] <linkinx64> :(
[04:15] <Hobbsee> maco: what?  people read blogs and mailing lists?
[04:15] <maco> and i'm on Planet Ubuntu and pointed everyone who reads Planet Ubuntu over to look at his blog
[04:15] <maco> so um, yeah...that info's all over the place
[04:15] <Hobbsee> ;)
[04:16] <linkinx64> got it
[04:16] <linkinx64> i restarted and ... i got the Tra tata
[04:16] <linkinx64> of the login
[04:16] <maco> Hobbsee: lots of people have complained today about not knowing that big-breakage updates were coming out today. laserjock and jcastro and i are all like "um guys, we announce these things for a reason. why dont you read? we cant walk up to your house, knock on your door, and tell you all individually that it's happening, so you need to look on your own"
[04:16] <Hobbsee> maco: oh, i'm well aware - and I fully agree with you.  I forgot to add the ;) on the end of my statement :)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> maco: i've long wanted a protocol for forcing people to read something, though
[04:17] <linkinx64> OMG
[04:17] <linkinx64> no sound!!
[04:17] <linkinx64> i had the sound at the beginning
[04:17] <linkinx64> and no sound in side ubuntu
[04:17] <maco> linkinx64: yeah its likely auto-spawn
[04:17] <linkinx64> so what can i do?
[04:17] <maco> it can get into little races where one app tries to lock the sound device and then the others cant use it and blah
[04:18] <maco> well i dont know what mplayer uses as its backend, possibly its trying to use alsa and pulse is trying to go "oh no my turn!" and blocking it. can you try with rhythmbox just in case?
[04:18] <maco> and i cant remember how to get a listing of what apps are using sound devices >< all i remember is that fuser or lsof is useful for finding out
[04:19] <linkinx64> let me see
[04:19] <maco> dtchen would know, but he's watching Hulu
[04:19] <linkinx64> i need ekiga in a few minutes
[04:19] <linkinx64> :(
[04:19] <maco> heh um soyou know, internal microphones are all jacked up in jaunty
[04:19] <linkinx64> no sound in rythym
[04:19] <maco> so might i suggest a hardy live cd for that?
[04:19] <linkinx64> lol
[04:20] <maco> there was a major regression for microphones in this kernel
[04:20] <maco> dtchen was working on fixing it today. i dont think he's done yet though.
[04:20] <linkinx64> that's ok
[04:20] <linkinx64> on the updates...what should i have.....Main Server...or USA?
[04:21] <maco> hrm, installing pulseaudio from dtchen's ppa may help you actually
[04:21] <maco> he has some patches in there he wants tested
[04:21] <maco> https://launchpad.net/~crimsun/+archive/ppa
[04:23] <linkinx64> ok i added
[04:23] <linkinx64> just update?
[04:23] <maco> yeah
[04:23] <linkinx64> updating
[04:23] <maco> he put some patches to try to fix some glitch-free and auto-spawn problems
[04:23] <maco> log out and in after the update finishes
[04:24] <maco> they wont hit the main archive til monday or tuesday
[04:24] <linkinx64> should ir restart?
[04:25] <maco> just log out and in
[04:31] <weternal> is there any way to run boxee or xbmc in jaunty yet?
[04:36] <weternal> has anyone here tried to run boxee or xbmc on jaunty?
[04:38] <ali1234> i have run xbmc compiled from svn
[04:38] <alex_mayorga1> hi, computer janitor suggest to remove my crossover-pro and skype, is that a known bug?
[04:39] <weternal> ali1234 I was just about to try that, did it work, or did it break the system?
[04:39] <ali1234> why would it break anything?
[04:39] <ali1234> it worked fine when svn was bug free
[04:40] <ali1234> it takes ages to compile though
[04:40] <ali1234> like 2+ hours
[04:40] <weternal> ali1234 I had it installed from the repository, and the most recent update removed it... I wasn't sure whether it would work or not
[04:40] <ali1234> all third party repo stuff gets removed on dist-upgrade
[04:41] <ali1234> but the last version in their repo does not support pulse audio anyway, so it's pretty useless unless you only want to watch silent films
[04:41] <ali1234> unless they have updated it recently
[04:41] <maco> ali1234: it says that about anything for which you dont have a repository enabled
[04:42] <alex_mayorga1> is flash plugin broken in jaunty?
[04:42] <maco> ali1234: because if it doesnt exist in a repository, it is assumed to be obsolete (so like if you installed it, then dist-upgraded, and in the new version a package was removed but you still have it from the old version)
[04:42] <ali1234> maco: doesn't it also disable all third party repos?
[04:42] <alex_mayorga1> how do I confirm that my dist-upgrade went through fine?
[04:42] <maco> ali1234: i dont know
[04:43] <alex_mayorga1> ali1234: it did for me
[04:43] <maco> well dist-upgrade disabled 3rd party repos, yes
[04:43] <dtchen_> alex_mayorga1: no, what problems are you having with it?
[04:43] <dtchen_> alex_mayorga1: also, which arch are you using for that install?
[04:43] <maco> i just dont know what the janitor (i assume that's the new name for cruftremover-gtk) does regarding 3rd party repos
[04:43] <alex_mayorga1> dtchen_: it claims that the plugin is not installed
[04:44] <dtchen_> alex_mayorga1: which package - adobe-flashplugin or flashplugin-nonfree?
[04:45] <alex_mayorga1> dtchen_: nonfree 10.0.22.87ubuntu1
[04:45] <tc111> does any see any potential issues with creating an lv across 2 different raid5's?
[04:46] <dtchen_> alex_mayorga1: please pastebin the relevant terminal output from attempting to install it
[04:48] <alex_mayorga1> dtchen_: do I reinstall it? it is there from 8.10 already
[04:49] <dtchen_> alex_mayorga1: yes, purge it and reinstall it
[04:49] <dtchen_> i need to see the specific error
[04:49] <alex_mayorga1> sudo aptitude reinstall flashplugin-nonfree ?
[04:50] <DanaG> sudo aptitude purge, actually.
[04:50] <DanaG> then sudo aptitude install
[04:50] <alex_mayorga1> because I tried to install it from Firefox when it asked but it said it was already there
[04:53] <alex_mayorga1> OK a purge/install did the trick, odd, because is the same version
[04:55] <dtchen_> alex_mayorga1: beware the difference between intrepid and jaunty, however
[04:55] <dtchen_> alex_mayorga1: intrepid-{security,updates} pulls from adobe, whereas jaunty pulls from the Canonical partner repo
[04:59] <maco> akgraner: doing more testing?
[04:59] <alex_mayorga1> dtchen_: thanks in the heads up, I don't rely that much in flash
[05:00] <alex_mayorga1> is there a way to check I'm "fully" in jaunty?
[05:01] <dtchen_> if you performed a distribution upgrade, then you're in jaunty after a reboot.
[05:01]  * DanaG wonders when Karmic will open.  =þ
[05:01] <DanaG> Can't wait to get working KMS.
[05:03] <DanaG> And hopefully a nice karmic bootsplash to go with it.
[05:04] <akgraner> maco: just looking.....just got back from the mountains....
[05:04] <akgraner> maco: looking forward to sitting in on the meeting tomorrow...
[05:05] <akgraner> how are things going with you tonight
[05:06] <maco> akgraner: still fighting with an annoying programming language
[05:06] <akgraner> maco: Java?????
[05:06] <maco> yes
[05:07] <akgraner> :)
[05:08] <dtchen_> actually she's not fighting with it right now; she's using IRC instead ;)
[05:08] <maco> oh right. and eating chinese food.
[05:09] <maco> but yes, i should go back to trying to figure out how to set minimum and maximum on spinners and items to combo boxes
[05:09] <dtchen_> akgraner: western nc? i spent quite a lot of time there.
[05:10] <akgraner> dtchen_: near Asheville....Lake Lure area
[05:10] <dtchen_> ah, cool
[05:10] <akgraner> that's where I'm from
[05:11] <akgraner> Love it
[05:11] <akgraner> Miss it
[05:11] <dtchen_> i'm from g'boro originally but spent summers in sylva
[05:15] <akgraner> dtchen_: love that area
[05:53] <wgrant> dtchen_: How do I go about debugging a PulseAudio issue which results in it just giving a little bit of static? If I remove PulseAudio and use plain ALSA, it works fine.
[05:53] <wgrant> (a little bit of static being all that it gives, not a little bit of static on top of the real signal)
[05:54] <dtchen_> wgrant: checked PCM/Front/Master to be unmuted and higher than zero-level?
[05:55] <dtchen_> wgrant: i'd first start by ensuring the appropriate alsa sink is loaded: killall pulseaudio; pulseaudio -vvv
[05:55] <wgrant> dtchen_: Master on the real device makes a clicking noise whenever it's changed, but it and PCM are around normal levels.
[05:56] <wgrant> I: module-default-device-restore.c: Saved default sink 'auto_null' not existant, not restoring default sink setting.
[05:56] <wgrant> Is that relevant?
[05:57] <dtchen_> wgrant: i'd need to see all of the debug spew so far from pulseaudio -vvv
[05:59] <dtchen_> wgrant: i.e., at face value, no would seem unimportant, but if module-alsa-sink fails to load, then it becomes important
[05:59] <dtchen_> no, would*
[06:01] <dtchen_> wgrant: also, is this symptom from 0.9.14-0ubuntu9, from my ppa (0.9.14-0ubuntu10~ppa1~timing3), or from luke's ppa (0.9.15~test3~ppa2)?
[06:01] <wgrant> dtchen_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/124567/, it's Jaunty upgraded this morning.
[06:01]  * wgrant checks the version
[06:01] <wgrant> -0ubuntu9
[06:06] <dtchen_> wgrant: ok, please pastebin `amixer' after pulseaudio -vvv has settled (~5 seconds after it is invoked)
[06:07] <wgrant> dtchen_: Um, I moved my broken config from an hour ago back over the new also-broken one, and it works...
[06:08] <wgrant> (neither had been modified by me at all)
[06:08] <wgrant> Maybe it's something special in how GNOME invokes it?
[06:08] <dtchen_> which config?
[06:08] <wgrant> ~/.pulse
[06:09] <dtchen_> hmm.
[06:09] <dtchen_> shouldn't be any different, but autospawn is a likely culprit
[06:09] <dtchen_> s/likely/possible/
[06:09]  * wgrant restarts X to test.
[06:10] <melik> how cna i restart my sound server?
[06:10] <melik> dont know.. something crashed though
[06:11] <dtchen_> wgrant: try reproducing the symptom after commenting out the autospawn line in /etc/pulse/client.conf and logging out and back in
[06:11] <dtchen_> melik: killall pulseaudio;pulseaudio -D -vvv
[06:12] <melik> hmmm, it works now :D thanks
[06:12] <melik> what does -D and -vvv mean?
[06:13] <wgrant> dtchen_: It doesn't matter; both work.
[06:13] <dtchen_> wgrant: ok
[06:14]  * wgrant is now terribly confused.
[06:14] <melik> dtchen_, can you explain what -D and -vvv meant
[06:16] <dtchen_> interesting. we can probably kill /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio again.
[06:16] <dtchen_> melik: -D == daemonise
[06:17] <wgrant> dtchen_: Thanks for your help.
[06:17] <dtchen_> melik: -vvv use triple the amount of verbosity
[06:17] <melik> ah and another question why include pulseaudio;pulseaudio
[06:17] <dtchen_> melik: which means log everything, not just log_warn
[06:17] <melik> why couldnt we just do
[06:17] <melik> killall pulseaudio -D -vvv
[06:18] <melik> (btw sorry for the questions, im just trying to learn as much as i can)
[06:18] <dtchen_> melik: because that's improper syntax for the killall command
[06:18] <dtchen_> melik: you really want to kill then restart pulseaudio, which requires separate commands
[06:18] <melik> ah i see
[06:19] <melik> i was trying to do /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart
[06:20] <melik> anyways thanks a lot dtchen_
[06:20] <melik> now i dont have to restart my computer if my sound crashes haha :$
[06:20] <dtchen_> melik: the pulseaudio initscript is useful only for system-wide pulseaudio invocation, which is only configured for ltsp/edubuntu servers
[06:21] <dtchen_> melik: by default, we use per-session (and per-user, via policykit and consolekit) pulseaudio invocation
[06:23] <dtchen_> nearly all the instances of current jaunty's pa daemon crashing are due to the sound driver returning bogus delay values, which propagates up through pa's snd_pcm_update_avail() and is not handled correctly - i.e., the daemon segfaults when passed values larger than 2^32
[06:24] <dtchen_> so while we fix the lower levels in the audio stack, namely alsa-kernel and alsa-lib, we have smarter handling in snd_pcm_update_avail()
[06:24] <dtchen_> that change is in my ppa and will land in the next pa upload, probably monday or tuesday
[06:24] <melik> dtchen_, you are a developer?
[06:25] <dtchen_> melik: in all but access privilege
[06:25] <wgrant> And access privilege would be gladly granted, I am sure.
[06:26] <dtchen_> eh, hasn't been an issue thus far, so no reason to press for it.
[06:26] <wgrant> True.
[06:26] <wgrant> But you should at least become a Member so you can get back on Planet.
[06:27] <dtchen_> yeah, i suppose that's just fallout from the wayback motu fast-track
[06:28] <dtchen_> oh boy, on with TODO: fix bluetooth integration in pa, and fix internal mic regressions
[06:28] <melik> i cant wait till i get a netbook :/
[06:29] <melik> i want one of those SSD drives ;D
[06:39] <ali1234> this is great, i'm installing ubuntu on my phone
[06:43] <Slartibartfast> Is sharing a folder from the Dolphin menu gonna work ? .... Will it make changes to smb.conf
[06:43] <|ns|nR8> when i make a shortcut to a internet url and put it on top taskbar..when i click it the system hangs for ages....im rnning jaunty fully updated...this just a bug ?
[06:57] <ali1234> anybody know how big the "base system" is on ubuntu-arm?
[06:58] <ali1234> i'm installing on a 512mb SD card
[07:14] <rww> ali1234: ask in #ubuntu-arm, maybe?
[07:17] <melik> anyone else experiencing problems with flash?
[07:18] <melik> For example, sometimes the video is just black but sound works.. then sometimes video lags a lot.
[07:18] <melik> i dont know :/
[07:23] <dtchen_> melik: i don't have those issues in a vm. what arch, and which plugin?
[07:26] <melik> flashplugin-nonfree 10.0.22.87
[07:26] <melik> and arch?
[07:28] <dtchen_> uname -m or dpkg --print-architecture
[07:28] <melik> i686
[07:28] <melik> i386*
[07:30] <dtchen_> a combination of nspluginwrapper and pulseaudio would be my guess
[07:34] <maco> anyone using the all-in-one sidebar for firefox?
[07:35] <maco> in the bookmarks part where there's the little triangles that unfold groups of bookmarks...does firefox crash when you try to toggle those?
[07:46] <loa> how i can add old ssh keys.
[07:46] <loa> in jaunty ssh-add refuse to add them :(
[07:47] <wgrant> How does it refuse?
[07:47] <rww> loa: does it say something about blacklisting?
[07:50] <loa> minute.
[07:50] <loa> A substantial number of keys are known to have been generated using a broken version of OpenSSL distributed by Debian which failed to
[07:50] <loa>      seed its random number generator correctly.  Keys generated using these OpenSSL versions should be assumed to be compromised.  This
[07:50] <loa>      tool may be useful in checking for such keys.
[07:51] <loa> i think i am in this category.
[07:51] <SwedeMike> you should generate new keys
[07:51] <rww> loa: You should stop using the old ssh key and generate a new one.
[07:51] <rww> loa: and by "should" i mean "really, really should unless you like using really insecure keys"
[07:51] <loa> but how? i haven't got another access to those servers?
[07:51] <SwedeMike> get someone who has to generate new keys
[07:52] <SwedeMike> otherwise it's useless to run encryption
[07:52] <SwedeMike> basically those keys are not 1024bit, they're 16bit.
[07:52] <SwedeMike> you can decrypt the traffic in seconds
[07:53] <crdlb> and even more importantly, they can connect to wherever you're connecting
[07:54] <maco> loa: and get whomever admins those servers to delete your old keys ASAP because anyone can ssh into them right now as you
[07:54] <SwedeMike> oh, he was using key based authentication
[07:54] <SwedeMike> I thought this was just the host keys
[07:54] <wgrant> If those servers have been upgraded in the past 12 months, they won't let you log in anyway.
[07:55] <maco> wgrant: *if* those are debian/ubuntu servers
[07:55] <maco> were RHEL and CentOS and the others patched to catch insecure  Debian-OpenSSL keys?
[07:57] <maco> i still suspect that the SSH key attacks that were going on last summer were made possible by non-Deb-based admins thinking "that's a debian problem. i run rhel, so it's fine" and not realizing that they had users that generated their keys on debian
[07:57] <loa> i gen this keys on gutsy i think :))
[07:58] <maco> yeah....i think edgy through hardy were affected
[07:58] <SwedeMike> loa: can you add new keys if you'
[07:58] <maco> so yeah, your keys are screwed
[07:58] <SwedeMike> re able to login to the other side?
[07:58] <SwedeMike> loa: can't you use password based authentication? or this is key only?
[07:58] <loa> i can get passwords, but i think maybe there is more simple solution.
[07:58] <crdlb> hopefully, he can't
[07:59] <crdlb> kind of defeats the purpose of key auth
[07:59] <SwedeMike> well, I know people who use key auth as a convenience
[07:59] <maco> not entirely...
[07:59] <SwedeMike> so they accept either kind
[07:59] <SwedeMike> personally I don't do key based, I do only password based
[07:59] <maco> i have ssh keys on my school's servers so that i can use vim over scp without having to enter my password every time i save
[08:00] <crdlb> yeah, it _is_ awfully convenient :)
[08:00] <loa> it is very usefull for me, only main password for keys.
[08:00] <loa> so there no way yes?
[08:00] <maco> (the school's servers have like 3 year old versions of vim)
[08:00] <SwedeMike> I like security in depth, I dont want to have all acocunts compromised just because someone gains access to my keys
[08:00] <loa> only downgrade ssh-agent?
[08:00] <wgrant> If you can use those keys, you should reinstall those servers.
[08:01] <maco> loa: your keys are compromised. consider the servers likely to be compromised as well.
[08:01] <loa> so i need to upgrade servers to??
[08:01] <maco> *sigh*
[08:01] <loa> they are gentoo based.
[08:01] <rww> loa: downgrading ssh-agent to a compromised, broken version so that you can use compromised, broken keys to access possibly-compromised, broken servers... not really a good plan
[08:02] <maco> the servers *ought* not let you use the compromised broken keys at all. even if you downgrade and get the keys working on ubuntu, the server should reject you
[08:02] <maco> if the server's not rejecting the compromised keys, that's bad
[08:02] <rww> loa: you /should/ be contacting the administrative contact for those servers, asking them to delete your SSH keys from the server so they don't have access any more, and then generating new keys.
[08:03] <loa> bad story.
[08:03] <maco> yeah
[08:03] <loa> thank you.
[08:03]  * crdlb mumbles something about using -D :/
[08:03] <maco> crdlb: ?
[08:04] <crdlb> you know, ... -DPURIFY
[08:04] <loa> what i need to upgrade on servers?
[08:04] <loa> openssl ?
[08:04] <loa> or what?
[08:05] <crdlb> gentoo was unaffected, but by using a bad key on it, you made it vulnerable
[08:05] <loa> :D
[08:06] <crdlb> just looking at gentoo-portage.com, there's an openssl-blacklist
[08:06] <crdlb> err, openssh
[08:13] <wgrant> IIRC Gentoo pushed out the blacklist.
[10:00] <Oli``> Is the notification doobrey positioned wrongly for other people too?
[10:00]  * Oli`` is using twinview and his notifications are halfway off-screen
[10:06] <les> it moved up and it's now covering the menubar for me but it's still in the same general spot
[10:08] <crdlb> that part is a known bug: it doesn't monitor for panels setting struts
[10:08] <crdlb> only at start, so there's a race condition with the startup of gnome-panel
[10:09] <crdlb> I can't imagine what would put it halfway offscreen (if it's not multihead-aware, it would just always appear in the extreme top right)
[10:10] <crdlb> Oli``: are they partially above the screen or to the right of it?
[10:10] <Oli``> to the right
[10:10] <crdlb> does it try to put them on the correct monitor?
[10:12] <Oli``> I'm not sure which it thinks is the correct one... My set primary is my left screen, but the logical place for notifications is my right. They're showing up just off the right-hand screen
[10:13] <crdlb> ah, it isn't multihead-aware -_-
[10:14] <crdlb> bug 334226
[10:14] <Oli``> It was working (right-hand screen, showing in the corner (not off the screen)) a couple of days ago
[10:15] <crdlb> it's supposed to appear on the active monitor (where the pointer is)
[10:15] <Oli``> Perhaps the current behaviour is somebody trying to detect my screen set-up
[10:16] <Oli``> Blimey - that's never happened for me. It's always been on the right-hand screen
[10:17] <crdlb> it's in the 'spec' but I don't think it's implemented
[10:17] <crdlb> hmm
[10:17] <crdlb> what do the following two commands say?: xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
[10:18] <crdlb> xdpyinfo -ext XINERAMA | grep head
[10:18] <Oli``> dimensions:    3840x1200 pixels (1049x321 millimeters)
[10:18] <Oli``>   head #0: 1920x1200 @ 0,0
[10:18] <Oli``>   head #1: 1920x1200 @ 1920,0
[10:19] <crdlb> ok, there are no "gaps" in the screen then
[10:19] <crdlb> ie parts of the X Screen which aren't displayed on any monitor
[10:20] <crdlb> I thought maybe nvidia was making it wider than necessary for some reason
[10:21] <crdlb> which would put the possibly non-xinerama-aware notify-osd at the edge of the X screen, and off of the physical monitor
[10:44] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  what exactly has changed in kernel packages since Jaunty that suddenly make the console bell non-mutable even within gnome?
[10:45] <crdlb> you mean the 'pcspkr' sound?
[10:46] <crdlb> it seemed to get re-enabled when I first upgraded, but the checkbox in sound prefs works now
[10:47] <crdlb> do you want to change the sound or just turn it off?
[10:48] <Q-FUNK> turn it off
[10:49] <crdlb> the 'play alert sound' option works for me
[10:49] <Q-FUNK> I need the module to hear anything whenever soud goes thru the laptop's built-in speaker, but I don't want the console beep.
[10:50] <Q-FUNK> the other thing is, the console beep is also heard on shutdown/reboot. that wasn't the case until intrepid.
[10:51] <Q-FUNK> you mean in gnome's user/sound/prefs "play warnings and effects" then "play warnings" ?
[10:52] <crdlb> user?
[10:53] <crdlb> ah, translated, I presume
[10:53] <Q-FUNK> system/preferences/sound/settings
[10:53] <Q-FUNK> I'm only guessing, I'm not using an english desktop here :)
[10:53] <crdlb> yes, that's what I mean, the second indented checkbox
[10:54] <Q-FUNK> right. unchecking that one doesn't fix anything here
[10:54] <crdlb> I get the beep on suspend/resume
[10:55] <crdlb> I can't remember if that happened on intrepid (I usually keep it muted via the h/w mute button)
[10:55] <Q-FUNK> it didn't
[10:55] <Q-FUNK> brb
[11:03] <bardyr> how can i get a script to run when i resume my laptop from suspend?
[11:08] <user____> bardyr: maybe /etc/rc* ?
[11:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Grrr... those notification changes are getting worse!
[11:16] <crdlb> IntuitiveNipple: what changes?
[11:17] <IntuitiveNipple> I just had evolution throw up a 'new email' Yes/No dialog instead of the notification icon. Serves me right for shutting down overnight
[11:19]  * crdlb is chilling in the stracciatella session
[11:22] <ronny> anyone aware of packages for libtool 1.4?
[11:24] <napsy> Why does Jaunty have evolution 2.25.x which should not ship with gnome 2.26?
[11:25] <dns53> is gnome 2.26 out? perhaps they are waiting on something else not yet released
[11:28] <napsy> I've been told that evolution 2.26 will use some experimental functions and is not ment for end-users
[11:28] <crdlb> napsy: when was that decided?
[11:28] <IntuitiveNipple> Isn't all gnome stuff 2.25.9x right now?
[11:28] <napsy> that's what I've been told on #gnome-hackers@gimpnet when complaining about a crash
[11:28] <crdlb> if it's a gnome decision, they'd release 2.26 based on the 2.24 branch
[11:29] <crdlb> which is what they did with gdm and are doing with epiphany
[11:48] <crdlb> napsy: I think he might have been mistaken
[11:49] <crdlb> the link he posted is to a message indicating that there will be 2.24.4 and 2.24.5 releases due to regressions
[11:50] <crdlb> and there's was an evo UI change request in Feb on the release-team list
[11:54] <napsy> hm ok
[11:54] <napsy> sorry for misunderstanding
[11:55] <crdlb> you understood him correctly :)
[11:56] <crdlb> I just can't find any evidence that he's right
[11:56] <napsy> ok
[12:33] <thehook> is jaunty shipping the nvidia 180.35 anytime driver soon?
[12:34]  * crdlb has heard bad things about that release
[12:35] <thehook> any other news about the nvidia drivers in jaunty then?
[12:35] <crdlb> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=128959
[12:41] <thehook> how about the 180.29 then?
[12:42] <crdlb> ouch, 180.35 _is_ in jaunty
[12:43] <thehook> i have an geforce 9600 gt with 512mb and is excpecting a bit better performence than now :p i know its been a bit buggy after the new xorg came into play
[12:43] <thehook> hmmm.. fdidn't sound good
[12:44] <thehook> i feel sorry for the people on the forum and are very happy that my ctrl+c is still working :p
[12:45] <crdlb> what are you using now?
[12:47] <thehook> jaunty with both kubuntu- & ubuntu-desktop installed, fully updated yesterday
[12:47] <thehook> the new kde 4.2 is a bit nice :)
[12:47] <crdlb> so you must have 180.35 then?
[12:48] <thehook> i guess so, i must wait for the update to complete to be 100% sure
[12:50] <thehook> yep i actually do :p
[13:05] <thehook> why is my kernel lacking the virtualization cababilities in jaunty and not in intrepid? it happened after dist-upgrading to jaunty
[13:17] <rom> hi
[13:18] <rom> vlc haven't the video embedded in jaunty alpha
[13:18] <rom> is it normal?
[13:20] <crdlb> it pops up in a separate window?
[13:21] <idorock89> rom: this is a  known bug
[13:53] <roe_> got a fresh install of jaunty but when I login using gdm I get the background image and a spinning wheel that is it
[14:15] <BUGabundo> have any of your guys eared about probs with the new nvidia driver and hibernate?
[14:15] <BUGabundo> twice now (on separate times) after Resume, my X spawns a new Session
[14:15] <BUGabundo> Bug 335465
[14:18] <legodude> I get that with intel
[14:18] <legodude> maybe 50% of the time when restoring
[14:18] <legodude> well, from what I call suspend
[14:18] <legodude> X crashes out with no error message
[14:18] <crdlb> it's happened maybe 3 times here
[14:18] <bardyr> me too
[14:19] <crdlb> it seems to only happen after suspending overnight
[14:19] <BUGabundo> wait?
[14:19] <legodude> hrm, I don't think I have the same bug
[14:19] <BUGabundo> is this reproducible?
[14:19] <BUGabundo> from when?
[14:19] <BUGabundo> 'cause it only started 3 days ago
[14:20] <BUGabundo> and has now happened twice
[14:20] <legodude> my problem has been going on for ~1wk?
[14:20] <legodude> trying to see if a reinstall will fix it
[14:23] <billybigrigger> susped seems to work for me
[14:23] <legodude> it works most of the time for me
[14:23] <legodude> except when it doesnt :P
[14:23] <billybigrigger> are we talking suspend from the shutdown menu?
[14:23] <legodude> close laptop lid
[14:23] <billybigrigger> or laptop suspend/hibernate?
[14:24] <BUGabundo> hivernate
[14:24] <billybigrigger> ahhh desktop here
[14:24] <BUGabundo> laptop
[14:24] <BUGabundo> works OK 75%
[14:24] <legodude> gah, how is there no decent graphical ftp client
[14:24] <BUGabundo> then 1 out of 4, it fails
[14:24] <billybigrigger> legodude, filezilla?
[14:24] <BUGabundo> legodude: Filezilla ??????
[14:24] <legodude> crashes hard for me
[14:25] <legodude> try to upload a big directory at it wedges
[14:25] <billybigrigger> that sucks, fz works great here
[14:25] <billybigrigger> what version?
[14:25] <legodude> whatever the latest is
[14:25] <legodude> 3.2.2-rc1
[14:25] <billybigrigger> hmmm...i used to xfer 100's of gigs from my laptop to desktop with filezilla no probs
[14:26] <yofel> legodude: you might ask about that in #filezilla ;)
[14:26] <legodude> I never had a problem with windows
[14:26] <billybigrigger> dont have my laptop beside me or i'd check which version i used
[14:26] <BUGabundo> legodude: try to change the passive options or ports
[14:26] <legodude> as soon as I hit upload it stops refreshing the display
[14:26] <legodude> no
[14:26] <legodude> this is a local server
[14:27] <legodude> gftp also hangs
[14:27] <legodude> jftp also hangs
[14:28] <BUGabundo> prob is on your server then ?
[14:28] <legodude> no
[14:28] <legodude> works fine with windows clients
[14:28] <legodude> or if I upload fewer files in gftp
[14:29] <legodude> it is not the transferring that seems to hang, it is building the upload queue
[14:29] <BUGabundo> on all clients?
[14:29] <BUGabundo> card issue?
[14:29] <legodude> no
[14:29] <BUGabundo> memory leak somewhere?
[14:29] <legodude> possibly?
[14:29] <BUGabundo> can you check with atop (option m)
[14:30] <legodude> what am I looking for here?
[14:31] <BUGabundo> memory usage
[14:31] <BUGabundo> if you see something going to high to fast when using any FTP client
[14:31] <BUGabundo> its possibly a mem leak
[14:32] <BUGabundo> then you install valgrind and -gdb of the app
[14:32] <BUGabundo> and debug it
[14:32] <legodude> ha
[14:32] <legodude> haha
[14:32] <BUGabundo> what?
[14:32] <legodude> filezilla uploaded 7k then wedged
[14:32] <legodude> I have no time for such things :(
[14:33] <BUGabundo> anything on the mem?
[14:33] <BUGabundo> ohh
[14:33] <BUGabundo> just looking at a chart?
[14:33] <BUGabundo> its not that time consuming
[14:33] <legodude> yes it is
[14:33] <legodude> :(
[14:33] <yofel> legodude: any output if you run filezilla from a terminal?
[14:34] <Sindwiller> legodude: You're on IRC, and you say that's time consuming? ;=)
[14:34] <legodude> one sec
[14:34]  * BUGabundo wonders why ppl use devel version and don't debug bugs....
[14:34] <yofel> ^^
[14:34] <legodude> 8.10 was not working properly
[14:35] <Sindwiller> How so?
[14:35] <legodude> and I used to have time to debug and file bug reports
[14:35] <legodude> then I started working :(
[14:35] <Sindwiller> :S
[14:35] <BUGabundo> those here with resume / GPU probs can test with an older kernel? -6 & -7 ?
[14:36] <BUGabundo> legodude crdlb bardyr ^^^^^
[14:36] <bardyr> BUGabundo, i noticed it on -6 and -7, -8 and 2.6.29-rc6
[14:37] <bardyr> BUGabundo, so its probably not a kernel problem when 2.6.29-rc6 is also affected
[14:37] <legodude> no output from filezilla to terminal
[14:37] <legodude> never does more than a couple k
[14:38] <yofel> does filezilla crash and vanish or simply hang up?
[14:38] <legodude> hangs
[14:39] <legodude> stops redrawing
[14:39] <BUGabundo> RT tjaalton: everyone on gnome or also with kde? because it could be gnome-screensaver which is taking it down
[14:39] <BUGabundo> resume probs ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[14:39] <legodude> kde
[14:40] <BUGabundo> GNOME
[14:40] <BUGabundo> crdlb bardyr ^^^^^
[14:40] <bardyr> gnome
[14:41] <tjaalton> same problem with suspend/resume?
[14:41] <BUGabundo> bug 335465
[14:41] <yofel> legodude: you can go to settings->debug and put debug output into the log - then put it into a pastebin or make a screenshot of it an i'll send it to the developer
[14:41] <BUGabundo> after Resume, my X spawns a new Session
[14:42] <legodude> yofel: run it with level debug?
[14:43] <yofel> yes, then it will put into the log what it's doing when it crashes
[14:43] <legodude> where does it log?
[14:46] <yofel> oh yes, you fist have to set a logfile in settings->logging
[14:46] <legodude> doh
[14:46] <yofel> sry
[14:48] <legodude> np
[14:53] <legodude> logs don't seem to show anything :(
[14:55] <BUGabundo> bbl
[14:55] <legodude> yofel: if you want them I will send it all, but I think it is pretty useless
[14:56] <yofel> legodude: if you have time later you could go to #filezilla and post the log there when the dev is there (codesquid)
[15:02] <legodude> finally got ftp upload to work
[15:02] <legodude> good ole leechftp is still the best
[15:10] <billybigrigger> i have a wierd problem after an update...firefox crashed on me, and i went to go send the bug report in...but got an error that xulrunner is out of date...sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade show i have 34 packages being held back...xulrunner-1.9
[15:10] <billybigrigger>   xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support being 2 of them
[15:11] <billybigrigger> should I, and can I force these updates? or is there a reason they're being held back
[15:39] <thehook> Hello, I have a small problem :P I just installed jaunty minimal on my other computer, with encrypted LVM. I used a 17 character long passphrase (alphanumeric with - and !) and now when the system has booted and i input my password it just says "cryptsetup: cryptsetup failed, bad password or options?"
[15:40] <thehook> anyone else seen something similar?
[15:41] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:41] <thehook> any solution?
[15:42] <charlie-tca> None that I know of except try the install again
[15:42] <charlie-tca> I am looking for the bug
[15:43] <thehook> just did, still the same problem
[15:43] <thehook> if it helps i used the guided encrypted lvm option this time.
[15:44] <thehook> do you think it can be some bad option maybe?
[15:44] <charlie-tca> bug 223581
[15:44] <thehook> just to rule it out
[15:45] <charlie-tca> It is possible, I haven't tried it lately
[15:46] <SiDi> Does anyone have trouble with nautilus not being able to display the background ? it sometimes blinks to gray, here
[15:47] <thehook> my error is different in a couple of ways, i have a minimal install, and I get wrong password or options while he got in and had a lvm problem..
[15:48] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: Can you open the volume successfully manually from a live-CD or other booted system?
[15:48] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: I'm wondering if the passphrase you entered *does* work or if maybe the installer translated/dropped some characters
[15:49] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: I will try :) i think i have a livecd laying around here..
[15:49] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: okay... when its started do "sudo apt-get install lvm2 cryptsetup"
[15:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Is the encryption inside the LVM, or the LVM inside the encryption?
[15:50] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: ok, but i dont remember how to mount anymore :P long time since i did that manually.. im not sure, i think its lvm inside the encryption. I used the guided encrypted lvm
[15:51] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: OK, it makes a difference on how to proceed. If it is LVM+encryption then its "sudo vgscan && sudo vgchange -ay" first
[15:52] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: Then "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdXy encypted"
[15:52] <IntuitiveNipple> If it is encryption+LVM you don't need the initial LVM scan step
[15:53] <IntuitiveNipple> If that unlocks the volume with the passphrase then you know that the installer didn't mess with the pass-phrase.
[15:53] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: no im pretty sure it is lvm inside enc, cause i remeber it creating root and swap inside lvm
[15:53] <IntuitiveNipple> If it won't unlock it, then you need to play about repeating that cryptsetup... command to figure out what passphrase was used :)
[15:54] <IntuitiveNipple> OK... I manually configure all mine, and based on experience from Hardy I prefer LVM with encryption of just chosen LVs, not everything - hits performance otherwise
[15:55] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: i usually do everything manually also, but this is a less used stationary desktop used mostly for surfing and shit so i didn't care and did the guided thing
[15:56] <IntuitiveNipple> :)
[15:56] <thehook> Damn, i just "cleaned up" and threw away about 100 CDs and now all I can find thats a livecd is an Ubuntu 5.04 for x86 :P haha
[15:56] <IntuitiveNipple> If the installer messed up the pass-phrase, that would be nasty
[15:56] <AndrewGee> Hi all. The python migration at the moment. Are all python modules that are still depending on python << 2.6 going to be rebuilt? Because python-webkitgtk won't install, because of this.
[15:57] <IntuitiveNipple> eeek
[15:57] <IntuitiveNipple> can you plug the other system's physical disk into the PC you're using?
[15:57] <thehook> !feisty
[15:58] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: does feisty have what it takes to check it? i just found an feisty beta disc here..
[16:00] <IntuitiveNipple> I very much doubt it
[16:01] <thehook> ok, ill just burn a new one
[16:19] <kishore> running kubuntu jaunty results in many zombie processes
[16:20] <kishore> i think it has soemthing to do with qt 4.5 as i experienced the same with opensuse when it switched to 4.5
[16:24] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: can you please repeat the commands for opening the encrypted volume? i don't think i do it correctly
[16:26] <IntuitiveNipple> "sudo apt-get install lvm2 cryptsetup"
[16:26] <thehook> jupp
[16:26] <IntuitiveNipple> "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdXy encypted"
[16:26] <IntuitiveNipple> eeek typo :p
[16:26] <IntuitiveNipple> "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdXy encrypted"
[16:27] <thehook> but the look for lvm command
[16:27] <IntuitiveNipple> is it LVM first?
[16:27] <thehook> or else its a nasty problem..
[16:27] <IntuitiveNipple> "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdXy encypted"
[16:27] <IntuitiveNipple> oops
[16:27] <IntuitiveNipple> "sudo vgscan && sudo vgchange -ay"
[16:28] <thehook> oh crap.. no volume groups found..
[16:29] <IntuitiveNipple> if you do "sudo blkid" it'll tell you what's there
[16:29] <IntuitiveNipple> if you see some  TYPE="crypt_LUKS"  then you know which one is the encrypted
[16:30] <thehook> the luksOpen stil gives me "failed to setup dm-crypt key mapping" "check for kernel support aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec and verify that /dev/sda1 contains at least 258 sectors"
[16:30] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh
[16:30] <IntuitiveNipple> you need to load some modules then
[16:30] <thehook> failed to read from key storage
[16:31] <thehook> whats with the + is it so i know it's me youre speaking to or something?
[16:32] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: btw the livecd is 8.04.2
[16:32] <IntuitiveNipple> ARCH=$(uname -m); for mod in aes_${ARCH} aes_generic dm-mod dm-crypt sha256_generic; do sudo modprobe $mod; done
[16:33] <IntuitiveNipple> With those modules loaded, retry cryptsetup luksOpen
[16:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Any progress?
[16:36] <thehook> FATAL: Module aes_i686 not found.
[16:38] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: ok, i just skipped that module and tried again
[16:38] <thehook> and now it works :)
[16:39] <thehook> and i am able to mount the partition
[16:39] <thehook> password works
[16:41] <thehook> I've found the error also.. for some reason the jaunty minimal install does not set the keyboard layout correctly anymore, so it was using english keybord
[16:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Ahhh! Report that bug!
[16:41] <IntuitiveNipple> That affect both cryptsetup and ubuntu-minimal
[16:41] <thehook> bugs.launchpad.net right?
[16:42] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah
[16:42] <IntuitiveNipple> subscribe me to it please, too
[16:44] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: I think im going to do a reinstall again to triple-check it first :) and btw I have no idea how to subscribe you :P haha
[16:45] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: right side-panel, "Subscribe someone else", then enter my nickname in lower-case
[16:46] <thehook> ok:)
[16:58] <maco> hey! >< i thought the update-manager was only supposed to open on its own if you hadnt updated in 2 days?  i updated less than 12 hours ago.
[16:58] <charlie-tca> I thought it was automatic in X days no matter what you do.
[16:58] <charlie-tca> That is one of my issues with it.
[16:58] <maco> no, if you manually update, it wont bug you
[16:59] <charlie-tca> Well, it does it to me all the time
[16:59] <maco> so it's *supposed* to be that since i updated about 10 hours ago, itd bother me in 38hr (since right now they have it set for 2days)
[16:59] <BUGabundo> back
[16:59] <maco> eh this is a case of "supposed to" versus "actually does"
[16:59] <charlie-tca> mpt said he was moving that to 7 days, in a message
[17:00] <charlie-tca> But, yeah, it does it.
[17:00] <maco> 7 days during not-devel
[17:00] <maco> 2 days durind devel so bug reports aren't stale
[17:02] <roe_> any idea what else I need in xorg.conf besides in Section driver driver "vesa" EndSection to use the vesa module
[17:03] <crdlb> Section "Device", and Driver "vesa"
[17:03] <roe_> sorry, yea that is what I have, but X isn't starting with no EE in Xorg.0.log
[17:04] <crdlb> you may need a Screen section pointing to the Device section
[17:04] <roe_> wouldn't X error saying "no screens found"
[17:04] <crdlb> do you have that 15-line xorg.conf?
[17:04] <crdlb> autodetection
[17:04] <roe_> huh?
[17:05] <roe_> my xorg.conf didn't exist after install
[17:05] <roe_> I created it because apparently there is a bug in the intel video module
[17:05] <roe_> in it there exists only the device section
[17:05] <crdlb> ugh, really?
[17:05] <BUGabundo> I know its quiet empty
[17:05] <BUGabundo> but to not exist?
[17:05] <BUGabundo> strange
[17:06] <maco> sudo dexconf -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:06] <crdlb> there should still be one to make adding options easy
[17:06] <maco> BUGabundo: i dont find it strange. mine didnt exist either.
[17:06] <crdlb> even if it's just a skeleton
[17:06] <maco> but that command will generate one
[17:06] <maco> a skeleton one
[17:07] <roe_> ok... still doesn't get X to start properly though
[17:07] <roe_> .
[17:09] <roe_> that makes me sad.. the "fix" was rebooting
[17:10] <robin0800> maco: its usually blank these days you can do Xorg - configure in a root terminal to see apopulated one
[17:11] <BUGabundo> xfix from recovery console should make working one
[17:11] <maco> Xorg-configure is the one that spits out a mile-long xorg.conf isnt it?
[17:11] <maco> dexconf is the one that makes the little skeleton one we expect to see since hardy
[17:14] <robin0800> maco: you lean something every day but the long one shows all driver options but thererem out I check this against xorg log and enable them one at a time
[17:17] <tgpraveen> just upgraded and it removed deluge
[17:17] <tgpraveen> :-(
[17:19] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: did deluge left you with non complete downloads?
[17:20] <BUGabundo> I had always to force check to see it at ~90%
[17:20] <BUGabundo> and then complete again
[17:21] <linkinx64> so......hello
[17:21] <linkinx64> still no sound on jaunty :(
[17:22] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: yeah but I picked those up frm transmisson so no data loss
[17:22] <tgpraveen> but deluge seems to have vanished it did say it would remove it
[17:25] <billybigrigger> what is up with the timezome map on the alpha 5 installer?
[17:25] <billybigrigger> really ugly
[17:26] <linkinx64> i like it
[17:26] <linkinx64> :D
[17:26] <linkinx64> and the login prompt it's awesome to
[17:26] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: it did complete... if u force checked them :( stupid
[17:26] <BUGabundo> didn't even deserves to file a bug
[17:27] <BUGabundo> linkinx64: AFAIK NOOOOOOOOOOOO
[17:27] <linkinx64> what's AFAIK?
[17:27]  * BUGabundo wait what was that? I didnt *ear* anything
[17:27] <linkinx64> my scrolling works now.....
[17:27] <linkinx64> but no sound man
[17:27] <BUGabundo> As Far As I Know
[17:27] <linkinx64> :(
[17:28] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: the data changed, and the positions don't match the chart
[17:28] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, what about the fact that it looks...well really bad for lack of a better term
[17:30] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: I think its known
[17:30] <BUGabundo> at least I saw devs discussion that the other day
[17:34] <maco> charlie-tca: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/334952
[17:36] <billybigrigger> http://billy.tharigga.com/Screenshot.png
[17:37] <billybigrigger> is anyone else having these 30 some packages held back?
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Thanks, maco
[17:38] <billybigrigger> any why are they being held back?
[17:39] <maco> python 2.6 migration
[17:40] <billybigrigger> ahh ok
[17:40] <linkinx641> BUGabundo: can u help me with this?
[17:40] <linkinx641> http://pastebin.com/m527a73d2
[17:41] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: no! I accidently forced the upgrade
[17:41] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, did your system break after the forced upgrades?
[17:41] <BUGabundo> in your case you are waiting for python depencies to built
[17:41] <billybigrigger> well im in no rush :P
[17:42] <BUGabundo> some apps were removed
[17:42] <BUGabundo> like gwibber
[17:42] <billybigrigger> linkinx64, looks like you need to add your user the the pusle-rt group?
[17:42] <BUGabundo> linkinx64 nothing there to see
[17:42] <linkinx64> why should it!
[17:42] <BUGabundo> that's exacly like that
[17:42] <BUGabundo> previously we would add the user to the audio group
[17:42] <BUGabundo> now, its no longer need
[17:43] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: linkinx64 don't add it manually
[17:43] <linkinx64> i wont
[17:44] <maco> pulse-rt? why?
[17:44]  * BUGabundo back to update firefox addons. ping me if you guys need something (not that it will actually play anything)
[17:44] <maco> that gets you some crazy scheduling priority on your audio...
[17:45] <maco> theoretically, you could have so much audio at that high importance to block the system from doing more-necessary things
[17:45] <unixdawg> what is a good teminal program for x to look at serialport output
[17:45] <fosco_> minicom
[17:45] <linkinx64> :(
[17:45] <unixdawg> trying but I dont get how to make it go off hook
[17:45] <BUGabundo> maco: plus getting PA fixed, do you have any idea when ALSA will work again?
[17:45] <unixdawg> so I can see the output
[17:46] <BUGabundo> having at least ONE working would be great
[17:46] <maco> well you need to be in the audio group to use plain alsa without pulse
[17:46] <maco> for pulse...dtchen's got patches for glitch-free in his ppa, and themuso should be uploading them in the next few days to the main archive
[17:47] <BUGabundo> ok... thanks
[17:47] <BUGabundo> I added my self to Audio group
[17:47] <BUGabundo> now to kill PA and check if ALSA works
[17:50] <BUGabundo> AO: [alsa] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
[17:50] <BUGabundo> still I don't ear anything
[17:50] <BUGabundo> salty-horse: hi
[17:50] <salty-horse> boink, BUGabundo
[17:50] <salty-horse> hi :)
[17:50] <salty-horse> if I try and install/uninstall rhythmbox it will sometimes magically mount
[17:50] <BUGabundo> salty-horse is having trouble with USB
[17:50] <BUGabundo> lets help him/her
[17:50] <BUGabundo> so it's a music player?
[17:51] <salty-horse> yes. sansa e200
[17:52] <BUGabundo> humm
[17:52] <BUGabundo> I have no experience with those
[17:52] <BUGabundo> can you run mount
[17:52] <BUGabundo> to see if it mounted anything?
[17:52] <BUGabundo> brb... gonna grab something to eat
[17:53] <maco> BUGabundo: pulse will regenerate itself
[17:53] <maco> because auto-spawn is enabled
[17:54] <salty-horse> it did not
[17:54] <maco> you can disable it in /etc/pulse/client.conf if you want
[17:54] <maco> salty-horse: is it in usb-mass-storage mode or MTP mode?
[17:54] <maco> if its in MTP mode just open rhythmbox and it should see it
[17:54] <salty-horse> maco, MSC, of course :)
[17:55] <maco> what does MSC stand for?
[17:55] <salty-horse> mass storage ... protocol
[17:55] <salty-horse> MSP?
[17:55] <salty-horse> device class
[17:55] <salty-horse> MSC
[17:55] <salty-horse> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_mass_storage_device_class
[17:56] <salty-horse> anyway, it's set correctly. sometimes installing and uninstalling rhythmbox will cause it to mount
[18:02] <salty-horse> after a few tries it mounts
[18:04] <maco> weird
[18:14] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: run alsa-info.sh, please
[18:17] <dtchen_> salty-horse: sounds like an issue with hal and gnome-mount
[18:19] <BUGabundo> back
[18:19] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: you have mine on the wiki page for codecs
[18:19] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: it needs to be *current*, i.e., needs to reflect your current mixer settings when you're experiencing the symptom
[18:20] <dtchen_> hence why i ask for a fresh one :)
[18:20] <BUGabundo> well since I killed PA a few minutes ago
[18:20] <BUGabundo> this would not be a standard case
[18:20] <BUGabundo> but ok
[18:20] <BUGabundo> just a sec
[18:21] <BUGabundo> running now dtchen_
[18:21] <BUGabundo> ahh a new alsa.sh is out
[18:21] <BUGabundo> upgrading
[18:22] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=cbf3ffdd583da67a93152a68b3f6911fdf648d9b
[18:23] <BUGabundo> totem and VLC play nothing
[18:24] <BUGabundo> mplayer tries PA and fails (its killed)
[18:24] <dtchen_> ok, sec, working on a Flash issue in another buffer
[18:24] <BUGabundo> and gmplayer is set to use ALSA
[18:24] <BUGabundo> and also won't play
[18:24] <BUGabundo> np
[18:24] <BUGabundo> ping me when you have the time
[18:29] <BUGabundo> hey I just saw PA respawn! I had it killed and the daemon stop! wtf
[18:29] <dtchen_> should be a few minutes
[18:29] <dtchen_> you need to change /etc/pulse/client.conf if you haven't
[18:29] <BUGabundo> when ever you get the time dtchen_
[18:30] <BUGabundo> I don't want to mess more with the system dtchen_. I'm just waiting you guys manage to get a proper fix
[18:30] <salty-horse> dtchen_, and how do I debug it?
[18:31] <BUGabundo> I used to pulseaudio -k and have ALSA work. now it doesn'ti
[18:31] <BUGabundo> I guess since PA respawns, the temporary fix, requires to change that conf file
[18:32] <BUGabundo> salty-horse: run the alsa script
[18:32] <salty-horse> BUGabundo, me? alsa problem?
[18:32] <BUGabundo> http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[18:32] <BUGabundo> download that, chmod 7xx
[18:32] <BUGabundo> and run it... it will generate a link and post it to the audio team
[18:34] <dtchen_> i think salty-horse was experiencing the mount issue, not an alsa issue
[18:35] <salty-horse> dtchen_, yup
[18:35] <salty-horse> BUGabundo, yup ^^ :)
[18:35] <BUGabundo> ahh
[18:36] <BUGabundo> since I saw him speak to dtchen_...
[18:36] <BUGabundo> LOL
[18:37] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: what other packages or areas of interest do you manage?
[18:38] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: i used to have a lot more time to do universe work, so pretty much everything. nowadays, resource constraints prevent me from doing things besides SRUs and audio.
[18:38] <BUGabundo> ok, thanks for the input
[18:38] <BUGabundo> what do you do now, since you left the core-dev team?
[18:44] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: "SRUs and audio"
[18:44] <BUGabundo> eheh. I meant as a job...
[18:44] <BUGabundo> or do you dedicate all your time to foss development?
[18:47] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: i've always volunteered time to Ubuntu development; i've never been employed to develop FOSS
[18:49] <BUGabundo> ahh since I saw maco blog mention you used to be coredev, and I assumed you got paid for that
[18:49] <BUGabundo> since that ended / you left, I thought you had got other job
[18:55] <dtchen_> a number of core-dev are (non-Canonical-employed) community members
[18:55] <dtchen_> used to be you could spot us due to the lack of @canonical.com e-mail addresses
[18:56] <BUGabundo> ahh
[18:56] <BUGabundo> didn't know that
[18:56] <BUGabundo> assumed that core got paid
[18:58] <dtchen_> nope, just means upload privileges to the entire Ubuntu repository
[18:58] <maco> BUGabundo: i told you like an hour ago that pulse respawns and what config file to edit. read man!
[18:58] <BUGabundo> I did read girl
[18:59] <maco> BUGabundo: then why so surprised at it respawning?
[18:59] <BUGabundo> maco: but before I even opened the file, I was expecting that stopping the daemon would not respawn
[19:00] <dtchen_> nah, autospawn forces daemon invocation if the client detects that a daemon isn't reachable
[19:01] <BUGabundo> yeah... now I know
[19:03] <dtchen_> ok, found another bug in the alsa-info.sh script
[19:03] <dtchen_> anyhoo -
[19:03] <dtchen_> try muting 'IEC958' and 'IEC958 Default PCM'
[19:06] <dtchen_> 11:01 < BUGabundo> yeah... now I know
[19:06] <dtchen_> 11:03 < dtchen_> ok, found another bug in the alsa-info.sh script
[19:06] <dtchen_> 11:03 < dtchen_> anyhoo -
[19:06] <dtchen_> 11:03 < dtchen_> try muting 'IEC958' and 'IEC958 Default PCM'
[19:10] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: 11:03 < dtchen_> try muting 'IEC958' and 'IEC958 Default PCM'
[19:11] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: OFF
[19:11] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: is `aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav` still inaudible?
[19:11] <BUGabundo> now do I test PA or alsa?
[19:13] <BUGabundo> I ear it
[19:14] <dtchen_> case closed!
[19:14] <BUGabundo> what?
[19:14] <BUGabundo> I can't ear anytning else
[19:15] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: you just said you can "ear it" (which i presume means the Front_Center.wav is audible...)
[19:15] <BUGabundo> yess
[19:15] <BUGabundo> but if I try any other video or audio prog it doesn't play anythinh
[19:16] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: please install vorbis-tools and then try `ogg123 /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/desktop-login.ogg`
[19:18] <BUGabundo> installing
[19:20] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: got this
[19:20] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/124922/
[19:20] <BUGabundo> but no audio
[19:21] <dtchen_> hmm, ok. what about: pasuspender -- ogg123 /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/desktop-login.ogg
[19:21] <BUGabundo> buffer at 100% but no audio
[19:22] <BUGabundo> the PAV applet doesn't show a Default sink selected
[19:22] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: ok, can you check `amixer -Dhw:0` again, particularly 'IEC958' and 'IEC958 Default PCM'?
[19:23] <dtchen_> wait, which pulseaudio packages are you using?
[19:23] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/124926/
[19:23] <BUGabundo> pulseaudio:  Installed: 0.9.14-0ubuntu9
[19:24] <BUGabundo> need me to test 9.15~test3
[19:24] <dtchen_> ok, and Headphone is muted; please unmute it
[19:24] <dtchen_> did you downgrade directly from 0.9.15~test3~ppa* to 0.9.14-0ubuntu9?
[19:24] <BUGabundo> I just changed that to test again
[19:24] <BUGabundo> its ON now
[19:24] <dtchen_> if so, the mapping tables are incompatible
[19:24] <BUGabundo> from test2 to 9.14
[19:25] <BUGabundo> never got to install test3
[19:25] <BUGabundo> 'cause the changes it required new drivers
[19:25] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: ok, please test my ppa packages
[19:25] <BUGabundo> link?
[19:25] <BUGabundo> or can VNC to my laptop
[19:25] <dtchen_> https://launchpad.net/~crimsun/+archive/ppa
[19:26] <dtchen_> please note that you'll need to killall pulseaudio; mv ~/.pulse ~/.pulse.backup
[19:27] <BUGabundo> okay
[19:27] <BUGabundo> downloading now
[19:28] <BUGabundo> Killed pulseaudio(1482) with signal 15
[19:29] <BUGabundo1> back
[19:30] <billybigrigger> have there been any updates to wireless in jaunty? i now see a full 3.0mb/sec doing an ftp transfer from my laptop to my desktop wirelessly, never seen these speeds before...using intel 4965
[19:30] <humbolt> is there an nvidia binary driver available for jaunty already?
[19:30] <dtchen_> humbolt: 180.35
[19:30] <humbolt> and does anybody know how to disable the group scheduler in the kernel?
[19:30] <dtchen_> among others
[19:30] <humbolt> it is slowing down my system
[19:30] <BUGabundo1> humbolt: lots of them
[19:31] <BUGabundo1> already got at least 3 updates
[19:31] <humbolt> IO performance is horrible
[19:31] <BUGabundo1> humbolt: there's was an email to the devel list with that
[19:31] <humbolt> I have massive io-waits all the time
[19:31] <BUGabundo1> libpulse0 0.9.14-0ubuntu10~ppa1~timing3
[19:32] <humbolt> BUGabundo1 really, so I am not the only one?
[19:32] <BUGabundo1> I just have "to many files open" messages
[19:32] <humbolt> BUGabundo1: I just see it in my system monitor
[19:32] <BUGabundo1> really?
[19:32] <BUGabundo1> what do you see?
[19:32] <humbolt> IO-wait is yellow on my system. And I see yellow all the time
[19:32]  * BUGabundo1 uses atop 2
[19:32] <dtchen_> heading out for a bit
[19:33] <BUGabundo1> ok dtchen_
[19:33] <BUGabundo1> I'm finising install
[19:33] <BUGabundo1> ping me back latter
[19:33] <dtchen_> remember to backup your ~/.pulse*
[19:33] <dtchen_> it needs to be fresh if you've ever downgraded from 0.9.15~test*
[19:33] <BUGabundo1> done
[19:34] <BUGabundo1> trying a few play tests
[19:34] <alex_mayorga1> is bluetooth functional in Jaunty? it doesn't seem to like any of my dongles
[19:34] <ripps> Does anybody here know how to make screenlets disable if you turn off compiz? I have this big terminal screenlet in my widget layer that takes up a large chunk of my screen if turn off compiz
[19:34] <BUGabundo1> ogg test FAIL
[19:35] <BUGabundo1> applay tests FAIL
[19:36] <alex_mayorga1> I also got this crash bug 336326
[19:36] <BUGabundo1> ripps: no idea!
[19:36] <BUGabundo1> I think it is a either its ALWAYS ON or OFF
[19:38] <ripps> BUGabundo1: I know, I made a script that turns screenlets on/off, but it's very touchy, if I add or remove any screenlets, the whole thing breaks.
[19:48]  * ripps is loading the podcast now
[19:48] <ripps> ^oops, wrong channel
[19:49] <alex_mayorga1> ripps: now you got me curious :)
[19:51] <BUGabundo1> ehehe
[19:53] <ripps> alex_mayorga1: I was just trying to tell the guys at ##club-ubuntu that I was loading the podcast they do.
[19:57] <alex_mayorga1> ripps: link?
[19:58] <ripps> http://podcast.club-ubuntu.org/podcast/
[19:58] <ripps> alex_mayorga1: ^
[20:03] <DrHalan> hey, yesterday i installed grub2. Today i realized it broke both grub-legacy and itself :(
[20:29] <holyduck> how much more unstable is jaunty compared to debian sid?
[20:30] <holyduck> rather. how much new crap that breaks have been added?
[20:37] <DrHalan> theholyduck: it should be way more stable
[20:37] <DrHalan> debain import freeze was at christmas
[20:38] <theholyduck> DrHalan, well then whats with the "most certantly break your system in bad ways"?
[20:38]  * theholyduck has been using sid for years
[20:38] <theholyduck> sure it sometimes borks. but its perfectly managable
[20:38] <DrHalan> they dont wan tnormal users to use it
[20:38] <theholyduck> heck. almost all my boxes use sid
[20:39] <DrHalan> why dont you just try a live cd?
[20:39] <theholyduck> DrHalan, well i was just wondering :P
[20:39] <theholyduck> im trying to do something about the horrible situation with ubuntu and media packages
[20:39] <theholyduck> and i figured i might have to actually install a ubuntu somewhere to test on
[20:41] <theholyduck> and if im fixing it for hardy and intrepid. i might as well see if it works on jaunty aswell
[20:52] <emma> Looking forward to Jaunty now :)
[20:55] <BUGabundo> emma: don't look! just boot a live media
[20:55] <emma> hehe :)
[20:55] <alex_mayorga1> sudo do-release-upgrade -> Checking for a new ubuntu release -> No new release found ??
[20:58] <TheImp> alex_mayorga1: jaunty is alpha
[20:58] <theholyduck> cant you pull the debian trick of just changing the name in sources.list and dist-upgrade ?
[20:59] <theholyduck> though i've never used ubuntu. so i wouldnt know
[21:00] <tormod> alex_mayorga1: update-manager --devel-release
[21:02]  * BUGabundo debuging pidgin for #pidgin devs
[21:02] <alex_mayorga1> tormod, thanks
[21:03]  * BUGabundo got regular and reproduclbe crashs with stupid stuff
[21:09] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, like pidgin crashing everytime you send a message to someone?
[21:17] <Numbers> Hey folks, seems nvidia drivers broke my Jaunty
[21:18] <Numbers> nvidia-glx-180 nvidia-glx-180-dev are two packages that were to be upgraded
[21:18] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/pidgin/+bug/336407
[21:18] <melik> hi everyone
[21:18] <Numbers> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so' with
[21:18] <Numbers>   different file `/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa', not allowed
[21:18] <Numbers> was one error
[21:18] <BUGabundo> Numbers: working 100% here
[21:18] <Numbers> nvidia-glx-180-dev conflicts with nvidia-glx-180 (>= 180.30) was the other error
[21:19] <Numbers> BUGabundo, *envious face*
[21:19] <Numbers> Any ideas on how I can fix this?
[21:20]  * billybigrigger has 180.35 working on 2 machines
[21:20] <Numbers> or restore the system?
[21:20] <melik> where can i find the bootup log file?
[21:21] <billybigrigger> melik, /var/log/boot
[21:21] <billybigrigger> ?
[21:21] <BUGabundo> Numbers: reboot, hit grub, recovery console, XFIX
[21:21] <Numbers> BUGabundo, ah cheers
[21:22] <melik> (Nothing has been logged yet.)
[21:22] <melik> :(
[21:23] <melik> its weird i get some kinit error at startup
[21:23] <melik> not a problem, but i wanna see why its outputting that error
[21:25] <billybigrigger> check kernlog?
[21:25] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: i rebooted (just because) and still havent got any audio
[21:25] <BUGabundo> better yet... check xorg.0.log
[21:32] <Cycom> hey, I'm using the wl driver in 9.04 and I've noticed that for some reason, while the driver shows signal strength in the dropdown menu when choosing a wireless network, the actual panel item doesn't show the signal strength in that graph.
[21:33] <Cycom> this happened in 8.10 as well, but worked fine in 8.04.
[21:43] <DrHalan> can somebody help me with completely reinstalling grub trough a live cd?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> DrHalan: shoot
[21:44] <BUGabundo> very easy
[21:44] <BUGabundo> just boot the cd
[21:45] <theholyduck> any monkey can do it :P
[21:45] <BUGabundo> mount the / of the disk; sudo chroot into there
[21:45] <BUGabundo> and run update-grub
[21:45]  * theholyduck just fixed a unbootable grub without a livecd
[21:45] <theholyduck> BUGabundo, that wont work if its been wiped of the mbr now will it?
[21:45] <theholyduck> or replaced rather :P
[21:46] <theholyduck> though running grub-install hd0 isnt all that much harder
[21:46] <BUGabundo> sure it will
[21:46] <BUGabundo> instead install it!!!
[21:46] <DrHalan> i trie dthat already..
[21:48] <DrHalan> i actually broke grub compeletly by trying out grub2. The chaninload and all kernel options returned "unrecognized device string"
[21:50] <DrHalan> if i chroot into my installation disk can i get network access somehow?
[21:51] <DrHalan> i think ill whipe my install
[21:51] <DrHalan> if i have my home directory on a seperate disk can i somehow keep it?
[21:51] <BUGabundo> yes
[21:52] <BUGabundo> just ifup the interface
[21:52] <DrHalan> but how does that work the live cd doesnt detect the ubuntu install i think
[21:53] <BUGabundo> even if you have it on THE SAME disk
[21:53] <BUGabundo> the installer will not wipe your home
[21:53] <BUGabundo> if u dont choose to format the disk
[21:54] <BUGabundo> it will just remove system files, and install fresh
[21:54] <DrHalan> oh really
[21:54] <DrHalan> but if i create a user on install?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> good question
[21:56] <BUGabundo> maybe it just renames the account!?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> good time to try
[21:56] <BUGabundo> AFAIK the previous user will be kept
[21:59] <DrHalan1> aagh my live cd forze
[22:10] <VSpike> I'm not seeing anything from the update-notifier, even though it *is* running and I have many updates to fetch... I wouldn't be suprised if it's broken because of all the notification changes
[22:10] <crdlb> it is
[22:10] <BUGabundo1> VSpike: IRONY
[22:11] <BUGabundo1> I got it 90% correct
[22:11] <VSpike> Ah ok.  You pre-empted my "anyone else.." question :)
[22:11] <BUGabundo1> its not broken
[22:11] <BUGabundo1> its a FEATURE
[22:11] <BUGabundo1> see the HUGE thread on the devel ML
[22:11] <BUGabundo1> and the bug you have on LP
[22:11] <stealth17> I've installed Jaunty 64-bit Alpha 5 on a Macbook 4-1 and I've had a lot of programs crash. Sometimes everything will crash and nothing will stay open. It's not a single app that does it, lots of them just crash. Is this normal for the alpha version or do I have hardware problems or some other reason for the instability?
[22:11] <crdlb> VSpike: there's a gconf key if you can't stand it
[22:11] <VSpike> Oh ta.. I googled with no luck but will follow those up now
[22:12] <BUGabundo1> crdlb: is that info on the bug already?
[22:12] <BUGabundo1> can you add it , if not?
[22:12] <BUGabundo1> bug 332945
[22:12] <BUGabundo1> stealth17: just you
[22:13] <VSpike> Wierd ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/update-notifier "There are currently no open bugs."
[22:13] <BUGabundo1> ROFL
[22:13] <stealth17> BUGabundo1, that's good. Where should I start? Would I be best off reinstalling from scratch again? Could it be a kernel problem or should I test the memory to see if it's a hardware problem?
[22:16] <alex_mayorga1> bug 336326 anyone?
[22:16] <BUGabundo1> I would wait a few more days
[22:16] <BUGabundo1> alex_mayorga1: stop nagging everyone
[22:17] <BUGabundo1> stealth17: with the python transition everything is in caos
[22:17] <BUGabundo1> but you can test MEMTEST
[22:17] <BUGabundo1> and run a daily live CD/usb to see if it is reproducbla
[22:19] <stealth17> ah sounds good, thanks :)
[22:20] <stealth17> 9.04 rocks otherwise!
[22:20] <BUGabundo1> really?
[22:20] <BUGabundo1> I like it, but it's a mess
[22:20] <BUGabundo1> as all alphas
[22:20] <stealth17> runs better then intrepid on my macbook
[22:20] <alex_mayorga1> what's a good pizza timer for ubuntu?
[22:20] <stealth17> alex_mayorga1, there is one on gKrellm
[22:21] <stealth17> BUGabundo1, true true, just the nature of the beast with Alpha I suppose
[22:21] <Klanticus> is the jaunty updates broken yet?
[22:21] <BUGabundo1> nope
[22:22] <BUGabundo1> working so far, Klanticus
[22:22] <BUGabundo1> or are you mentioning update notifier
[22:22] <BUGabundo1> or even python rebuild?
[22:22] <BUGabundo1> Klanticus: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[22:24] <lymeca> I need a new version of ALSA for my sound card to work properly.  I will compile 1.0.19 from source, but do I need to uninstall the existing ALSA first via aptitude?
[22:25] <Klanticus> BUGabundo: ok.. thank you man
[22:26] <BUGabundo> lymeca: there is a new version on luke's PPA
[22:26] <BUGabundo> already done
[22:26] <BUGabundo> ask maco or dtchen_ for more info
[22:27] <DrHalan> so BUGabundo how do i choose not to format a drive?
[22:28] <BUGabundo> clear the format box on the installer
[22:28] <BUGabundo> when I get there!
[22:28] <BUGabundo> choose MANUAL of course
[22:28] <lymeca> BUGabundo: Do I need alsa-driver or also alsa-lib and alsa-utils?
[22:28] <lymeca> Where is luke's PPA located?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> lymeca: all that talk is over my head
[22:29] <BUGabundo> I just read the email
[22:29] <lymeca> haha
[22:29] <DrHalan> ah tahts nice so i choose the same type of filesystem again and everything stays?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive
[22:29] <BUGabundo> DrHalan NO NO
[22:30] <BUGabundo> you KEEP your actual filesystem
[22:30] <BUGabundo> just don't format
[22:30] <BUGabundo> lymeca: https://launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive
[22:30] <lymeca> wemeh
[22:30] <DrHalan> BUGabundo: i mean the option "Use as.."
[22:30] <lymeca> THere is no alsa-driver package which is the one I REALLY need
[22:31] <BUGabundo> lymeca: you can try #pulseaudio for help
[22:31] <BUGabundo> DrHalan you have got me CONFUSED
[22:31] <lymeca> fuck pulseaudio
[22:31] <lymeca> that shit sucks
[22:31] <lymeca> I want ALSA
[22:31] <BUGabundo> please explain before I give any more help
[22:32] <BUGabundo> lymeca: Ubuntu is no longer for you
[22:32] <BUGabundo> its ON and even restarts if you kill it
[22:32] <jussi01> !ohmy | lymeca
[22:32] <lymeca> Not if you run sudo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio
[22:32] <lymeca> What kids alpha test Ubuntu?
[22:32] <lymeca> haha
[22:33] <DrHalan> BUGabundo: first thanks :) Well i started ubiquity (or how the installer is called), on partitioning i choose "manually" and then. On partition-settings I didn't check format. But theres a filed "Use as..." and i can choose filesytems types: ext3, ext4, swap etc
[22:33] <DrHalan> and i have to set it from "don't use" to something in order to be able to set a mount point
[22:34] <BUGabundo> DrHalan ah ok ... humm that should be there I think! if it is , just choose the same that already was
[22:34] <BUGabundo> of course
[22:34] <BUGabundo> but choose NOT TO FORMAT
[22:34] <DrHalan> yeah I understand :)
[22:34] <BUGabundo> lymeca: still many apps will break
[22:34] <DrHalan> thanks
[22:35] <BUGabundo> since they are being patched to work wit hPA
[22:35] <DrHalan> BUGabundo: now something comes up "The file system on /dev/sda5 assigned to / has not been marked for formatting.  Directories containing system files (/etc, /lib, /usr, /var, ...) that already exist under any defined mountpoint will be deleted during the install."
[22:36] <BUGabundo> YES YES
[22:36] <BUGabundo> that's EXACLY what YOU want
[22:36] <DrHalan> nice :)
[22:36] <DrHalan> BUGabundo: now if i set the same username it overwrites my settings
[22:36] <BUGabundo> no idea!
[22:37] <BUGabundo> backup the user home to a TAR
[22:37] <BUGabundo> and let it rip!
[22:37] <BUGabundo> then you will find out and let US know
[22:37] <DrHalan> i did that with the ciritcal files
[22:37] <BUGabundo> if you say so!
[22:37]  * BUGabundo always uses clonezilla for FULL DISK backup
[22:38] <theholyduck> when will the ubuntu installer support lvm anyway?
[22:38]  * BUGabundo wishes Clonezilla was able to do partial mounts, like proprietary app Disk Image
[22:38] <BUGabundo> theholyduck: it does now AFAIK
[22:38] <theholyduck> BUGabundo, the graphical one?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> broke a few days on udev
[22:38] <BUGabundo> should be fixed now
[22:39] <theholyduck> so its added for 9.04 eh?
[22:39] <theholyduck> about time i say :P
[22:39] <BUGabundo> acording to Release notes, just need to do a few retires
[22:39] <BUGabundo> theholyduck: PLEASE read the release note
[22:40] <theholyduck> BUGabundo, well i was just installing 8.10 for some fixing ubuntu horribleness. and noticed it didnt let me do lvm :P
[22:40] <theholyduck> im in here cause i'll try to fix 9.04 after im done with 8.04 and 8.10
[22:41]  * BUGabundo stupid pidgin
[22:45] <CarlFK> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/212073  once I create that .fdi file, what do I restart to get it re-read?
[22:48] <BUGabundo> CarlFK: visit #ubuntu-devel
[22:48] <BUGabundo> and see if ogra or pitti are around
[22:48] <CarlFK> BUGabundo: thanks
[22:48] <CarlFK> I might have it... don't want to bug them if I don't need to
[22:49] <BUGabundo> you can also popup on #ubuntu-mobile
[22:49] <BUGabundo> there's usually a few guys there confortable with touchscreens
[22:56] <DrHalan> BUGabundo: i couldn't install... grub-install failed and the installer crashed..
[22:57] <BUGabundo> maybe there's a bug with grub
[22:58] <BUGabundo> ask on devel
[23:04] <BUGabundo> request for confirmation: Firefox 3.1 -> ctrl+scroll does zoom works?
[23:05] <DrHalan1> okay, what do i do if grub is still brokenß
[23:05] <BUGabundo> file bug?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> request for confirmation: Firefox 3.1 -> ctrl+scroll does zoom works?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> come on fellow ubunteros
[23:06] <rww> BUGabundo: Firefox 3.1 is in Jaunty? I only see 3.0.6.
[23:06] <BUGabundo> rww:  yes it is
[23:07] <BUGabundo>  !info firefox-3.1
[23:07] <BUGabundo>  !package firefox-3.1
[23:07] <BUGabundo> why doesn't the bot like me?
[23:07] <BUGabundo> !package firefox-3.1
[23:08] <BUGabundo> !info firefox-3.1
[23:08] <rww> !info firefox-3.1 jaunty
[23:08] <BUGabundo> rww: ^^^^^
[23:10] <DrHalan1> what does "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." mean?
[23:10] <theholyduck> DrHalan1, it means you didnt mount /dev and /proc in your chroot
[23:10] <BUGabundo> totally guessing some how its not used on the BIOS?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> or that
[23:11] <theholyduck> DrHalan1, i dont feel like talking you trough it. though i guess google or #grub will
[23:11] <theholyduck> actually you dont need chroot at all if you know how to operate a grub console
[23:12] <rww> BUGabundo: ctrl-scroll works for me in firefox-3.0 and firefox-3.1. Is that what you needed to know?
[23:12] <theholyduck> DrHalan1, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[23:12] <theholyduck> like this
[23:12] <DrHalan1> well i didn tuse chroot but "sudo grub-install /dev/sda --root-directory=/media/disk-1/"
[23:12] <BUGabundo> it helps
[23:12] <theholyduck> DrHalan1, that wont work :P
[23:12] <BUGabundo> can you do me a couple more tests? rww?
[23:12] <theholyduck> DrHalan1, do like that guide i posted
[23:12] <theholyduck> :P
[23:12] <rww> BUGabundo: sure
[23:13] <BUGabundo> rww: can you (force) install this addon on 3.1 ?
[23:13] <BUGabundo> http://urandom.ca/nosquint/
[23:13] <theholyduck> DrHalan1, anyways if you cant google to fix your grub
[23:13] <theholyduck> should you REALLY be using jaunty?
[23:13] <DrHalan1> but the other thing doesnt either "find /boot/grub/stage1" tells me  "Error 15: File not found"
[23:13] <theholyduck> DrHalan1, try without the /boot
[23:13] <BUGabundo> theholyduck: if theres is a current bug on GRUB
[23:13] <DrHalan1> theholyduck: its not the first time i try to fix grub bu tthis time all the ussual way dont work..
[23:13] <theholyduck> so just find /grub/stage1
[23:14] <BUGabundo> most tests won't be able to fix it
[23:14] <DrHalan1> theholyduck: doesn't make a difference
[23:14] <theholyduck> DrHalan1, well then you dont have grub installed :P
[23:14] <theholyduck> and id say thats your problem
[23:15] <DrHalan1> but i just run the installer from the live cd
[23:15] <DrHalan1> to ensure this
[23:16] <DrHalan1> gonna try to format the / partition
[23:16] <BUGabundo> rww: works?
[23:17] <rww> BUGabundo: Looks like it's working with checkCompatibility off.
[23:18] <DrHalan1> just wondering, ubuntu seems only be able to import from users/settings from windows not ubuntu itself
[23:18] <BUGabundo> damn it so IT WAS the daily
[23:18] <BUGabundo> rww: one more test If you don't mind
[23:18] <rww> BUGabundo: okay
[23:19] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[23:19] <BUGabundo> add this to your sources and test the newest FF 3.1
[23:19] <BUGabundo> with and without the addon
[23:19] <BUGabundo> I recommend new profiles
[23:19] <BUGabundo> firefox-3.1 -ProfileManager
[23:20] <BUGabundo> rww: and thanks so much for helping out
[23:22] <b3nw> hi all, just did an upgrade, was lsubs left out of usbutils on purpose?
[23:24] <rww> BUGabundo: still seems to be working :/
[23:24] <b3nw> nm ignore
[23:25] <BUGabundo> really?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> its not here
[23:25] <BUGabundo> rww: with or without addon?
[23:25] <rww> BUGabundo: both =/
[23:26] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:26] <BUGabundo> so its one of my other 53 addons messing things
[23:26] <BUGabundo> thanks
[23:26] <BUGabundo> I'll try again with yet a new profile
[23:26] <BUGabundo> rww: but are you really sure?
[23:26] <BUGabundo> cause even the DEV said it was giving him probs
[23:27] <rww> BUGabundo: Yup. It's working fine for me using the firefox-3.1 from the PPA, with and without the addon. I deleted my .mozilla directory after testing in each version, so I had a clean slate each time.
[23:27] <rww> BUGabundo: what specifically doesn't work for you?
[23:27] <BUGabundo> .mozilla???
[23:27] <BUGabundo> that's your ALL firefox!
[23:28] <BUGabundo> even 3.0.6
[23:28] <BUGabundo> no need for that
[23:28] <rww> BUGabundo: I know, I move between computers a lot and don't really value my profile data.
[23:28] <BUGabundo> firefox-3.1 -ProfileManager creates new profiles
[23:28]  * rww nods
[23:28] <BUGabundo> rww: ctrl+scroll
[23:28] <BUGabundo> it doesn't work!
[23:28] <BUGabundo> no zoom control
[23:29] <BUGabundo> and no squint is an wonderful addon
[23:29] <BUGabundo> allows you to use both Text Zoom and Page Zoom
[23:29] <rww> BUGabundo: which version of the addon are you using? 1.93.2.1?
[23:30] <DrHalan1> wow now it worked thank you guys!
[23:30] <BUGabundo> I was with an older one, that got broken on a FF update
[23:30] <BUGabundo> and tested the beta, and it got worse
[23:31] <BUGabundo> ff 3.2 NEVER worked with it... it never saved the zoom
[23:31] <BUGabundo> once I changed a tab, zoom would be reset to default
[23:31] <BUGabundo> 3.1 started actinglike that this week too
[23:31] <BUGabundo> FYI Firefox 3.2 IS FASTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
[23:32] <rww> Yup, I just tried it again with and without the addon and it's working. HRm.
[23:32] <BUGabundo> if it worked with all my addons
[23:32] <BUGabundo> I would be using it
[23:32] <BUGabundo> but nosquint and better Greader are broke
[23:32] <BUGabundo> as I said... need to make a new profile and test
[23:32] <BUGabundo> maybe its one of my other addons
[23:33] <BUGabundo> just for the kicks, wanna test on 3.2?
[23:33] <rww> BUGabundo: nah, I actually have to go away for a few hours
[23:34] <BUGabundo> thanks anyway
[23:34] <ali1234> ezoom is better and faster
[23:40] <BUGabundo> ali1234: don't know it
[23:40] <BUGabundo> link?
[23:41] <ali1234> http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Plugins/Ezoom
[23:41] <BUGabundo> ahh
[23:41] <BUGabundo> that I know
[23:41] <BUGabundo> but its not the same thing, it won't save per domain
[23:41] <BUGabundo> and requires me to run compiz
[23:58] <alex_mayorga1> is FF 3.1 coming with Jaunty?
[23:58] <andersk> It is packaged in Jaunty, but the default firefox is still 3.0.