[05:31] <shadowh511> hey, any new art stuff?
[07:47] <mtholdenss> hey just thought i'd let you know that on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Backgrounds when you select full size link for seude backgrounds it doesn't load the full resolution version.
[08:08] <mtholdenss> be great if someone could fix the broken link
[08:23] <swalko_> mtholdenss: link?
[08:24] <mtholdenss> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Backgrounds   when you select full size link for seude backgrounds it doesn't load the full resolution version
[08:27] <swalko_> which link?
[08:27] <swalko_> first
[08:27] <mtholdenss> yeah the first one
[08:28] <mtholdenss> under the heading ready for use > suede
[08:28] <swalko_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Backgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=suede_flat_1.png
[08:29] <swalko_> mtholdenss: fixed
[08:29] <mtholdenss> thanks
[08:30] <mtholdenss> i'm loving the creativity coming from these designs
[08:33] <mtholdenss> just to let you know that suede_flat_1.png is 7mb and may not be so friendly for users that don't have fast internet
[08:38] <swalko_> mtholdenss: i am not uploader, i only fixed that problem with link ... it may do everyone, because wiki is based on open concept
[08:39] <swalko_> mtholdenss: you may simply rescale that image, upload it on wiki and add link with smaller size
[09:32] <swalko_> thorwil: hi
[09:32] <thorwil> hi!
[09:32] <swalko_> thorwil: i updated my icon ... look on wiki
[09:33] <swalko_> thorwil: submission is down
[09:35] <thorwil> :(
[09:35] <thorwil> swalko_: thanks for fixing my typo on the backgrounds page!
[09:35] <swalko_> thorwil: nfw
[09:36] <swalko_> thorwil: i have one idea how to improve icon creation coordination
[09:36] <swalko_> thorwil: add to wiki "work in progress" table with icon and artist name on that is worked upon
[09:37] <thorwil> swalko_: that could be nice, yes
[09:37] <thorwil> _MMA_: ^
[09:38] <swalko_> thorwil: and next idea ... add on wiki page where will be in steps described work with one canvas workflow
[09:39] <swalko_> thorwil: if you want we may cooperate on that
[09:39] <swalko_> thorwil: i am experienced user, but it taked me little time to completely understand one canvas workflow
[09:40] <thorwil> swalko_: i thought we already had a brief explanation
[09:41] <swalko_> thorwil: brie isnt enought
[09:41] <swalko_> thorwil: and
[09:41] <swalko_> thorwil: i looked at videos
[09:41] <swalko_> thorwil: after reading bried and seened videos
[09:41] <swalko_> thorwil: i haved problems
[09:42] <swalko_> thorwil: may be i missed something ..  but i must find scripts (from tango vcs), find in which layer i must add context, icon name and etc
[09:42] <thorwil> swalko_: i'm currently dedicated to backgrounds, but if you write an outline and/or collect open questions, _MMA_ or I can reowrk that later on
[09:43] <swalko_> thorwil: i may try to write step by step guide to use one canvas workflow
[09:43] <thorwil> cool
[09:44] <swalko_> thorwil: i mean in week it will be done ... maybe soon
[09:44] <swalko_> thorwil: i put then existing template + add python an ruby scripts
[09:45] <thorwil> swalko_: you shouldn't have to deal with any scripts
[09:45] <swalko_> thorwil: scripts downloade from tange vcs
[09:45] <swalko_> thorwil: not my :)
[09:46] <swalko_> thorwil: is there a better way?
[09:47] <thorwil> swalko_: yes, i guess. check out the bzr branch
[09:48] <thorwil> otherwise just pick one of the files on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons
[09:48] <swalko_> thorwil: peoples dont need scripts ... but artists may want ... at example i want to use my icons ... i created my personal icon set (mix of breathe + human + my icons)
[09:49] <swalko_> thorwil: and that scripts saved my time
[09:50] <savvas> what kind of a script do you need? converting svg to png?
[09:51] <swalko_> savvas: i have that scripts
[09:51] <swalko_> savvas: export all icon sizes with one script
[09:52] <thorwil> swalko_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions is back. i think you should add 2 outlines to the large version of the calculator. make the outer a bit darker than the body, maybe a little touch of blue. use the inner outline for a very subtle highlight on the top and maybe sides, but not bottom
[09:54] <swalko_> savvas: i know what you mean ... but my idea was to create that calculator flat
[09:54] <swalko_> thorwil: i know what you mean ... but my idea was to create that calculator flat
[09:55] <swalko_> thorwil: something like "unibody" calculator :)
[09:55] <thorwil> swalko_: i never ever saw a calculator with sharp edges. that would be a painful experience ;)
[09:56] <swalko_> thorwil: new times, new designs :)
[09:58] <swalko_> thorwil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons i may then put icons on what i am working
[10:00] <swalko_> thorwil: it will be good to add artist names to icons in WIP
[10:00] <thorwil> swalko_: you really have to talk with _MMA_ ;)
[10:01] <swalko_> thorwil: ok ok
[10:01] <swalko_> thorwil: have you here "meeting days or meeting time" ?
[10:03] <thorwil> swalko_: no. it's usually no problem to get him. i don't even know in which (american) timezone he is
[10:03] <swalko_> thorwil: i try him sometime in week
[10:49] <kwwii> thorwil: in the east (6 hours from us)
[10:51] <thorwil> :)
[10:52] <thorwil> hrmpf. letting gimp render the svg is also no solution, as it doesn't support masking, it seems
[10:55] <swalko_> thorwil: inkscape: export
[10:56] <swalko_> thorwil: multiple wanted size by power of two
[10:56] <swalko_> thorwil: because inkscape has buggy (blurred) export to bitmap
[10:56] <thorwil> swalko_: no, i'm struggling with a background. the inkscape export shows color-banding
[10:58] <swalko_> thorwil: i seened that too, but i meant for it was responsible my monitor
[10:59] <swalko_> thorwil: i dont know what tool is using script used by me, but you may try it
[10:59] <thorwil> swalko_: the banding is a monitor issue, sometimes. but often not :(
[11:00] <swalko_> thorwil: i have very good monitor, and i meant that was issue
[11:01] <swalko_> thorwil: try that script and you see
[11:02] <swalko_> thorwil: http://picasaweb.google.com/milan.krivda/Amarok#5288953664598001922
[11:02] <swalko_> thorwil: very ugly banding
[11:03] <thorwil> yes
[11:03] <thorwil> swalko_: and you found a way to render that one with better quality?
[11:04] <swalko_> thorwil: no ... i forgot that, because i meaned that isnt inkscape issue
[11:05] <swalko_> thorwil: have you screen with your background?
[11:06] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Backgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=jumps.jpg
[11:06] <thorwil> well, the JPG made it worse, of course
[11:07] <swalko_> thorwil: my was much worster
[11:07] <swalko_> thorwil: you may try te export only bblurred part with inkscape
[11:07] <swalko_> thorwil: non blurred with gimp
[11:07] <thorwil> swalko_: that's what i'm doing right now
[11:07] <swalko_> thorwil: and combine
[11:08] <kwwii> have you tried rendering it with batik? I used to do that a long long time ago
[11:08] <swalko_> thorwil: and try to contact inkscape devs
[11:08] <swalko_> thorwil: i newer used that
[11:09] <swalko_> thorwil: illustrator work bad with svgs
[11:09] <swalko_> thorwil: you may try karbon
[11:10] <kwwii> karbon sucks
[11:10] <thorwil> i just tried exporting double size to scale down in gimp. that used as overlay with the x1 export shows there's absilutely no difference
[11:11] <swalko_> thorwil: are you sure if it is inkscape responsive for that?
[11:11] <thorwil> swalko_: yes
[11:11] <swalko_> thorwil: i meaned by multiple by power of two
[11:11] <thorwil> an i know that the issue has been raised on the inkscape list already
[11:12] <swalko_> thorwil: that step must be performed always by exporting
[11:12] <swalko_> thorwil: that will not solve your problem, only make picture sharper after resizing in gimp
[11:12] <thorwil> swalko_: i'm working with 2560 x 1600. i will not go beyond doubling that ;)
[11:13] <thorwil> swalko_: my little experiment suggests it doesn't even lead to a sharper image. zero difference
[11:14] <swalko_> thorwil: you maked difference mask on doth pictures?
[11:14] <swalko_> both
[11:14] <thorwil> yes
[11:14] <swalko_> thorwil: and absolutelly none difference?
[11:14] <thorwil> yeah
[11:14] <swalko_> thorwil: o must try
[11:15] <thorwil> food, bbl
[11:15] <swalko_> thorwil: in oxygen that was one from first points that pinheiro pointed me
[11:52] <thorwil> kwwii: searching for batik in synaptic only delivers a libxmlgraphics-commons-java
[12:02] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, batik is the svg engine made by the mozilla people
[12:02] <kwwii> it is in java
[12:54] <Cimi> andreasn_, if you add Inherits=hicolor,Human in the gnome iconset you can have the new notifications with the gnome iconset
[12:55] <Cimi> it's an ugly workaround until they move them into hicolor, but it works
[12:55] <andreasn> yeah, but then you kind of end up with a circular dependency
[12:55] <andreasn> I currently don't run Jaunty, so I expect it to be fixed until the stable version is released
[12:55] <Cimi> andreasn, it's just until they move those icons into hicolor
[12:56] <Cimi> oh ok
[12:56] <andreasn> but thanks for the tip anyway
[12:56] <kwwii> the icons should be in a hicolor dir sometime very soon...it was put in the package on friday, I know that
[12:57] <kwwii> because I told them where to put them, etc :)
[12:57] <andreasn> kwwii, great, thanks!
[13:00] <kwwii> andreasn: sorry it wasn't right the first time around
[13:00] <kwwii> the truth is, if they had at least included the icons I gave them weeks ago this all wouldn't have been such a big deal
[13:00] <kwwii> but anyway, time to take my kid to a friends...bbl
[13:01] <andreasn> oh, well, it didn't even get into the alpha release, right?
[13:02] <andreasn> I can imagine worse things have happened between those :)
[14:44] <SealV> good morning
[16:00] <SealV> http://imgur.com/39P0N
[16:00] <SealV> flesh tones.. would like feedback
[16:03] <thorwil> SealV: looks rather agressive
[16:05] <SealV> the white strokes, probably.
[16:09] <SealV> agressive in color? or style?
[16:10] <swalko_> for me ... colors
[16:10] <swalko_> left side are colored good
[16:11] <swalko_> but right side uses agressive colors
[16:13] <SealV> agressive colors, I must admit I do not understand, swalko what is it about the right colors that you do not like? er.. hue? value?
[16:13] <swalko_> color balance
[16:14] <SealV> ah. I see..hmm
[16:14] <swalko_> concrete colors arent agressive
[16:14] <swalko_> but personally
[16:14] <swalko_> i like balanced backgrounds
[16:15] <swalko_> if i look on that background my eyes go to right side
[16:15] <swalko_> of that bg
[16:15] <swalko_> but overall
[16:15] <swalko_> that background look nice and clean
[16:15] <SealV> Ah now I see it  thanks
[16:16] <SealV> Perhaps a different brown might work better
[16:16] <SealV> instead of the redpink
[16:17] <swalko_> yes
[16:18] <swalko_> if you balance right that colors, i mean it will be very very good background for me
[16:18] <swalko_> i like their clean style
[16:20] <swalko_> and next positive thing
[16:20] <swalko_> you bgt may be nice colored in every color what you want
[16:21] <SealV> did not think about that, definitely worth trying out
[16:32] <SealV> http://imgur.com/3AIC7
[16:33] <SealV> better or worse?
[16:50] <savvas> it's extreme, but too extreme to keep for more than 5 minutes :P
[16:50] <swalko_> SealV: better, but i am still missing color balance
[16:51] <swalko_> SealV: try to use colors very close to colors on left side (i like colors on the left half)
[16:55] <SealV> savas: the first or the second? or both?
[17:26] <SealV> http://imgur.com/3ATWV
[17:26] <SealV> toned it way down. used brown
[17:47] <swalko_> SealV: beutiful
[17:48] <swalko_> SealV: thats way i liked it :)
[17:49] <swalko_> SealV: i must go, bye
[20:26] <marv1> hi there, its my first time in this channnel and i had some time to make a jaunty wallpaper, pls visit and tell me your opinion, thanks! http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/jaunty+sunset?content=100270&PHPSESSID=5f099a49c7ac361651121dfcee18115c
[20:55] <swalko_> Selv: i looked now for you
[20:56] <swalko_> SealV: i looked now for you
[20:56] <SealV> hey!, had to go study for chem lol
[20:56] <SealV> whats up?
[20:57] <swalko_> SealV: you done your bg in inkscape?
[20:57] <SealV> yup, avoid gimp like the plague
[20:57] <swalko_> SealV: may you upload svg on wiki?
[20:57] <swalko_> SealV: i want your bg in my collection :)
[20:58] <SealV> oh yeah. Just need to scale it up for bigger resoltuions
[20:58] <SealV> gimme two minutes
[20:58] <swalko_> SealV: may you upload svg?
[20:59] <SealV> yes
[21:01] <swalko_> SealV: thank you
[21:01] <SealV> np :)
[21:26] <swalko_> SealV: when you upload your icon ping me please
[21:27] <SealV> kk
[22:22] <SealV> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Hself
 I uploaded it
[22:27] <SealV> swalko_: I uploaded it
[22:28] <swalko_> SealV: thank you, i noticed that, right now i am exporting from your svg:)
[22:35] <swalko_> SealV: now i am using your bg on my desktop
[22:35] <swalko_> SealV: brown version is looking very nice
[22:35] <SealV> thanks :)