[00:46] <knubbli__> check this out http://tinyurl.com/rolfxd lol
[02:03] <andresmujica> ok i've made up to feb 21st bugmails ... tomorrow would be another day..
[02:37] <bcurtiswx> andresmujica: don't worry you'll end up with 10 more new ones tomorrow :D
[03:27] <Hew> The desktop CD isn't meant to have packages on it, right? bug 335902
[03:36] <Flannel> Hew: It has a few packages, yes.  build-essential and some others.  http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.list  search for the deb files
[03:36] <Flannel> (theyre all in /pool/ obviously enough)
[03:37] <Hew> Flannel: Yes, that's what I thought. So the question is, should they appear as a software source? I seem to remember they were in previous releases.
[03:41] <Flannel> It makes sense that it ought to be, yes.
[03:46] <JanC> they are needed for e.g. installing ndiswrapper-based wifi devices using ndisgtk
[03:47] <JanC> as downloading them before wifi works is quite a "catch 22"   ;)
[04:44] <slick666> evening everyone
[04:44] <slick666> I've been working on getting bug 332211 triaged
[04:45] <slick666> I think the user has everything a developer would need
[04:45] <slick666> this shold probably be placed on a low priority as it requires specific hardware
[08:22] <ziroday`> Should this bug be set to high? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtorrent-rasterbar/+bug/335741
[08:26] <maco> ziroday`: ignore it for 3 days and itll go away
[08:26] <maco> er oh wait < 2.6
[08:26] <maco> python 2.5 is still availale
[08:26] <maco> *available
[08:27] <maco> sure they can
[08:28] <maco> individual packages may need to be updated to say "python2.5" instead of "python" in the depends and in the #! /usr/bin/python
[08:28] <ziroday`> maco: right
[08:29] <ziroday`> maco: so refile the bug against deluge?
[08:29] <ziroday`> or in this case python-libtorrent
[11:01] <YoBoY> question : what i have to do weed old bugs regarding no more supported ubuntu version (7.04 for exemple) ?
[11:02] <YoBoY> -weed + with ^^'
[11:12] <Hobbsee> YoBoY: if they don't occur on a later version of ubuntu, close them and leave a note to that effect.
[11:12] <Hobbsee> er, where later == later, still supported
[11:17] <YoBoY> well i can't test all, i put the "Old untouched bugs" response and wait for april to close them
[13:57] <BUGabundo> moo
[14:01] <tuxmaniac> hey any difference in these bugs? bug 336253 and bug 334373 ?
[14:01] <tuxmaniac> both were opened up by the same person.. and the very ame person closed one as duplicate
[14:02] <Hew> gah, I hate it when apport auto marks as dupe, and removes all the useful attachments..
[14:02] <Hew> tuxmaniac: They almost certainly reported it twice by accident
[14:03] <BUGabundo> some times apport fails to do a full upload
[14:03] <tuxmaniac> well then the new one is supposed to be marked duplicate. not the old one and this is not the first time.
[14:03] <BUGabundo> so I get a partial bug, and don't even have the ID
[14:04] <Hew> BUGabundo: I mean when a user successfully reports a bug, but the retracer thinks it's a duplicate (whether it is or not), and removes the stacktrace you're waiting for..
[14:05] <BUGabundo> yeah nauty retracer
[14:06] <Hew> it's quite frustrating, this is the second time I've had problems with it recently
[14:06] <Hew> bug 322614
[14:07] <Hew> I wonder if removing the needs-duplicate-check tag would stop it..
[14:08] <Hew> anyone know if there's some documentation on the retracer somewhere? it's a mystery to me
[14:09] <james_w> that should prevent it
[14:10] <james_w> is it not a duplicate of the one that it is marking it a duplicate of?
[14:10] <james_w> or are you just trying to do something unusual?
[14:11] <Hew> james_w: The stacktrace was rejected upstream as being from an old version, while the duplicate is from the latest version.
[14:11] <james_w> ah
[14:11] <james_w> the code obviously hasn't changed that much then :-)
[14:12] <Hew> james_w: There was another large bug the other day that started collecting bugs from a new issue
[14:12] <Hew> james_w: Yes, it sounds like the same issue, but upstream wants a new retrace :-)
[14:13] <BUGabundo> by the way
[14:14] <BUGabundo> have any of your guys eared about probs with the new nvidia driver and hibernate?
[14:14] <BUGabundo> twice now (on separate times) after Resume, my X spawns a new Session
[14:15] <BUGabundo> Bug 335465
[14:17] <Hew> BUGabundo: I'm always hearing about resume / suspend / hibernate issues. I don't use those features, fortunately.
[14:18] <BUGabundo> I do! a lot!
[14:18] <BUGabundo> you must have a really fast boot
[14:18] <BUGabundo> or don't want to save stuff between sessions
[14:19] <Hew> BUGabundo: I'm using a desktop, I get the feeling most others are on laptops.
[14:19] <Hew> BUGabundo: I prefer doing fresh starts every day :-)
[14:20] <BUGabundo> bah
[14:20] <BUGabundo> my work pc, got hibernated every day, and lasted about 2 or 3 months
[14:20] <BUGabundo> then, I had to do a fresh reboot
[14:20] <slick666> If I do turn my work machine off for the weekend it's suspend
[14:21] <slick666> haven't rebooted on over 50 days :)
[14:22] <BUGabundo> nice
[17:48] <salty-horse> hi. I can't seem to be able to mount a USB mass storage device in jaunty. dmesg reports it correctly but nautilus does nothing. can anyone help?
[17:50] <BUGabundo> salty-horse: hi
[17:50] <BUGabundo> jump over to #ubuntu+1
[17:50] <BUGabundo> we will help you there
[17:52] <alex_mayorga1> hi, just filed bug 336326, what else can I provide?
[18:13] <YoBoY> hi
[18:24] <BUGabundo> YoBoY: hi
[18:39] <andresmujica1> hi yoboy
[18:42] <alex_mayorga1> is there an X specific troubleshoot channel?
[18:43] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga1: there's #ubuntu-x
[18:43] <andresmujica1> #xorg perhaps?
[18:43] <BUGabundo> but its not exacly meant for support
[18:44] <BUGabundo> there's #ubuntu for general troublshooting
[18:44] <alex_mayorga1> or can anyone take a look at bug 146706 to rule out my own stupidity?
[18:44] <andresmujica1> u can try at the wiki the troubleshooting guide for X
[18:44] <BUGabundo> and #ubuntu+1 for devel versions
[18:48] <charlie-tca> alex_mayorga1: you could comment on the upstream report so they know it is not only on hardy
[18:53] <folke> How can I report dependency problem for a lot of python modules in jaunty?
[18:54] <geser> folke: better wait a few days before reporting them
[18:54] <geser> we are currently in a python transition
[18:54] <geser> so please leave us some time to finish it
[18:54] <folke> geser, I guessed that there was looked at
[18:55] <folke> thnx for the answer
[18:55] <BUGabundo> folke: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000541.html
[18:56] <BUGabundo> geser: since opening bugs is not good, the only way to know if a certain package has been rebuilt is to go testing?
[18:56] <geser> BUGabundo: either that or check LP for the last version in jaunty
[18:57] <geser> BUGabundo: it's not really about opening bugs as I check bugs when I do the transition upload
[18:58] <BUGabundo> see gwibber: Depends: python-webkitgtk
[18:58] <BUGabundo> I need to know when that package gets rebuild so I  can use gwibber again
[18:59] <geser> BUGabundo: in case of python-webkitgtk there is a sync request open and I wanted to talk to huats about it before introducing ubuntu delta which gets lost
[19:00] <BUGabundo> bah
[19:00] <BUGabundo> then it will take EVEN longer
[19:00] <BUGabundo> gwibber already depends on the most recent version
[19:00] <geser> BUGabundo: I just don't to interfere with huats work
[19:01] <BUGabundo> I know
[19:01] <BUGabundo> no pressure
[19:01] <BUGabundo> LOL
[19:02] <folke> geser, Is there anywhere I can see this info, so that we don't fill in to many bugs?
[19:02] <BUGabundo> folke: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000541.html
[19:03] <folke> BUGabundo, So all the syncs and stuff is announced there?
[19:04] <geser> folke: please check LP about the latest version before opening bugs, so you don't open bugs for packages which just need to be rebuild and distributed to the mirrors
[19:05] <geser> folke: sync request are filed as bugs, so you should see them when you check if a similar bug for your problem is already filed
[20:30] <tcole> howdy
[20:30] <tcole> I've got a kernel bug that still hasn't been addressed
[20:31] <tcole> it's completely debugged, it's got a patch to fix the issue and everything
[20:31]  * Laibsch lets doko know about some issues with upgrading to python 2.6 that he documented in bug 331461
[20:31] <Laibsch> tcole: what number?
[20:31] <tcole> bug #300143
[20:32] <Laibsch> tcole: You should report this upstream
[20:32] <Laibsch> bugzilla.kernel.org
[20:32] <tcole> it isn't an upstream bug
[20:32] <tcole> no
[20:32] <tcole> no
[20:32] <Laibsch> Oh, OK
[20:32] <tcole> it's specifically with our patched kernel
[20:32] <tcole> the bug doens't exist upstream
[20:32] <Laibsch> Sorry, I need to read further, then
[20:33]  * tcole adds a note to the bug description
[20:33] <tcole> maybe people are seeing kernel bug and thinking "oh, that should be upstream" and then ignoring it
[20:33] <Laibsch> Hehe
[20:33] <Laibsch> Very possible
[20:34] <Laibsch> tcole: Maybe you want to take up this issue in #ubuntu-kernel
[20:34] <Laibsch> More focused channel
[20:34] <tcole> maybe I'd better
[20:34] <Laibsch> tcole: Have you verified this for Jaunty kernel?
[20:35] <Laibsch> verified to be a problem
[20:35] <tcole> I hadn't yet
[20:35] <tcole> it still seems like it should get fixed in Intrepid though
[20:36] <Laibsch> The usual route is to fix it in the upcoming release first
[20:36] <Laibsch> and possibly make a stable-release-update later
[20:36] <tcole> :(
[20:37] <tcole> at least it's pretty easy to check just by examining the sources
[20:38] <Laibsch> tcole: that is nothing to be sorry about
[20:38] <Laibsch> that is just the usual route
[20:38] <Laibsch> I've made a few changes that I hope should get your bug a bit of more attention
[20:39] <tcole> thank you
[20:39] <tcole> LP seems to be the place where bugs go to die these days :/
[20:39] <tcole> every little bit helps
[20:40] <Laibsch> Hm, you can help LP become more responsive
[20:40] <Laibsch> I don't have any problems getting the fixes uploaded
[20:40] <Laibsch> even into old releases
[20:40] <Laibsch> It does take some nagging from time to time in IRC, that is true
[20:40] <Laibsch> and a bit of knowledge how to get attention to bugs
[20:41] <Laibsch> I guess that is to be expected with the overwhelming task at hand
[20:41] <tcole> I just checked the .diff.gz and it looks like the issue is still unfixed in Jaunty kernels
[20:41] <Laibsch> tcole: You should help with bug triaging, you'll become more knowledgeable about how to push fixes into the release and you'll tremendously help ubuntu
[20:42] <tcole> I've done a bit; I guess I should do more
[20:42] <Laibsch> tcole: OK, make a comment to that effect.  Please also download the daily Jaunty ISO and boot from CD/USB or whatever to make really sure
[20:42] <Laibsch> tcole: awesome, thanks for what you've done already
[20:43] <Laibsch> I can tell the work you did in the bug you mentioned here is very high quality
[20:43] <tcole> thank you
[22:01] <Bert_2> Hi, this question seems like a bug https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+question/62647 but I don't know what I should do with it and what things I need to have this guy do to get the right info, any help ?
[22:05] <charlie-tca> You could advise him to file a bug, with reference to where to file it and the information needed
[22:06] <Bert_2> charlie-tca: well, we probably need to tail of syslog, but I don't know the commands to get that info and I think he's quite new to ubuntu or not very techy
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Here is the reference for the information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
[22:07] <charlie-tca> He can follow that and attach the files it says
[22:08] <charlie-tca> Someone will triage it and ask for more information or logs if needed
[22:09] <Bert_2> charlie-tca: the guy is having poweroff and reboot problems, we're not talking about suspend
[22:09] <Bert_2> or is this the same in this case ?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> Sorry, I saw "i cannot return from hibernate or suspend mode." and thought that was a problem
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Need to find out what is really wrong, maybe.
[22:11] <Bert_2> charlie-tca: nope, his laptop does not poweroff, I think his kernel panics before it can shutdown or something, but I don't know how I'm supposed to check it
[22:12] <charlie-tca> So that happens even before it hibernates or suspends?
[22:12] <Bert_2> charlie-tca: he tries to poweroff or reboot
[22:12] <Bert_2> and then it happens
[22:12] <Bert_2> he has to shut it down with a hardpress
[22:13] <Bert_2> because it's stuck
[22:13] <BUGabundo1> Bert_2: I got that some time ago
[22:13] <BUGabundo1> it was nividia driver in my case
[22:13] <Bert_2> BUGabundo1: so how did you fix it ?
[22:13] <BUGabundo1> dunno
[22:13] <BUGabundo1> it was long ago
[22:13] <BUGabundo1> new kernel I guess
[22:14] <Bert_2> aaah, okey
[22:14] <Bert_2> well, I'd like to help this guy
[22:14] <BUGabundo1> as usual ogasawara came to the rescue
[22:14] <BUGabundo1> Bert_2: is he in ibex?
[22:14] <Bert_2> hardy
[22:14] <BUGabundo1> ask him to enable backports
[22:14] <BUGabundo1> and install the newest kernel there, plus the backport module
[22:14] <Bert_2> BUGabundo1: should I warn him about that backports is unsupported ?
[22:14] <BUGabundo1> it usually fixes a lot
[22:15] <Bert_2> or is backports supported ?
[22:15] <BUGabundo1> just update the kernel, and then comment it
[22:15] <Bert_2> k
[22:15] <BUGabundo1> if you or him don't want them
[22:16] <Bert_2> I have no problem with backports but I'm not sure if he's a business guy or not
[22:16] <BUGabundo1> just update the kernel, and then comment it
[22:17] <Bert_2> won't it be easier if I just tell him to enable it permanently
[22:17] <Bert_2> cause I'm not sure how I should explain to him how to only update certain packages
[22:17] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[22:18] <BUGabundo1> he still needs to look for the kernel
[22:18] <BUGabundo1> it won't be installed automagicly
[22:18] <BUGabundo1> much less the backport module
[22:18] <Bert_2> won't it be marked as update ?
[22:18] <Bert_2> damn, how am I going to explain the guy how to install another kernel (I'm not even sure what it's going to be called like)
[22:19] <BUGabundo1> VNC to his PC?
[22:19] <BUGabundo1> I love the new jaunty vino
[22:19] <BUGabundo1> it has uPNP
[22:19] <BUGabundo1> it should be backported
[22:20] <Bert_2> uPnP, does that mean it can bypass the fact that there are many computers behind one external IP ?
[22:20] <BUGabundo1> no no
[22:20] <BUGabundo1> that's NAT
[22:20] <Bert_2> owyeah, woops
[22:20] <Bert_2> but that's still a big issue for me
[22:20] <BUGabundo1> uPNP will open the router ports
[22:20] <BUGabundo1> once you start vino
[22:21] <Bert_2> there are a lot of people using a modem+router with different computers behind
[22:21] <BUGabundo1> so it just gives you the external IP and port
[22:21] <BUGabundo1> and the remote user can then login
[22:21] <BUGabundo1> Bert_2: IPv6....
[22:21] <BUGabundo1> no more prob
[22:21] <Bert_2> yeah, but that's going to take another 5 to 20 years...
[22:22] <BUGabundo1> if it does we will be out of IPv4
[22:23] <Bert_2> I know
[22:23] <Bert_2> but addaption rates are far to low
[22:24] <Bert_2> the backport kernel, does it have the word backport in its name ?
[22:25] <Bert_2> BUGabundo: I can only find linux-backports-modules stuff, no new kernel apparently
[22:26] <BUGabundo> no
[22:26] <BUGabundo> its just a higher version
[22:26] <BUGabundo> but AFAIK it will install unless forced
[22:27] <BUGabundo> maybe its pin down
[22:27] <BUGabundo> or the metapackage doesn't mention ut
[22:27] <BUGabundo> *it
[22:27] <BUGabundo> Hardy was TOO long ago
[22:27] <BUGabundo> I'm on jaunty
[22:27] <andersk> Can someone please set the priority of bug 289921 to High, bug 306835 to Medium, and bug 302226 to Low?  (Or whatever you judge to be appropriate; those are my assessments.)
[22:28] <Bert_2> I'm not doing intrepid, I'm going straight to jaunty when it's in betaµ
[22:28] <andersk> I could see 302226 being Medium, maybe.
[22:28] <BUGabundo> Bert_2: why wait?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> just wait for the python rebuild to be over and update-manager -d
[22:29] <Bert_2> BUGabundo: I was too lazy to update to intrepid and I really need a clean install (and now going to intrepid is just plain silly)
[22:31] <Bert_2> BUGabundo: but I'm going to bed now, thank you for your help ;)
[22:32] <BUGabundo> mp
[22:32] <BUGabundo> np
[22:43] <andersk> Anyone from ubuntu-bugcontrol available?
[22:45] <Ampelbein> andersk: yeah, what's your wish?
[22:45] <Ampelbein> ;-)
[22:46] <andersk> Please set the priority of bug 289921 to High, bug 306835 to Medium, and bug 302226 to Low?  (Or whatever you judge to be appropriate; those are my assessments.)
[22:47] <Ampelbein> looking
[22:51] <Ampelbein> andersk: done. nice work triaging btw.