[02:23] <dashs> How can I find the root password.
[02:23] <dashs> I know i's in the menus somewhere
[02:28] <vald0r> Hey, I just installed the mythtv packages on ubuntu 8.10 and am trying to find out how to get the upnp server to launch so i can stream musing in media player on vista. any ideas
[02:29] <vald0r> anyone around?
[02:30] <hads> Patience
[02:34] <dashs> mythbuntu == steaming lump of shit.
[02:34] <Zinn> dashs: Please watch your language.
[02:34] <dashs> mythbuntu == steaming lump of offal.
[02:35] <dashs> mythbuntu == steaming lump of feces?
[02:35] <dashs> mythbuntu == steaming lump of doodoo.
[02:36] <dashs> mythbuntu == steaming lump of skata.
[02:36] <dashs> mythbuntu == steaming lump of sheiss.
[03:16] <hads> That was werid.
[03:36] <tgm4883> hmm
[04:21] <IOU> is there a way i can rescan the music/video collection via the command line ?
[04:51] <hads> There's a couple of command line mythvideo scanners around.
[04:52] <hads> find_meta.py in the standard 0.21 mythvideo source
[04:59] <IOU> oh i want that one
[04:59] <IOU> lol
[05:00] <IOU> not in mythbuntu i take it ?
[05:03] <hads> I think it is
[05:03] <d03boy> anyone know of a irc channel or forum that is good for finding good deals on hdtvs?
[05:04] <d03boy> and knowing how nice the tv is and stuff
[05:07] <IOU> bah i found it
[05:07] <IOU> however
[05:07] <IOU> MythTV module cannot be initialized, MythDB importing disabled
[05:07] <IOU> You must have the MythTV module to make direct DB importing to work
[05:07] <hads> Check you have the python bindings
[05:08] <IOU> libmyth-python ?
[05:08] <hads> Yeah
[05:08] <IOU> libmyth-python is already the newest version.
[05:08] <IOU> libmyth-python set to manually installed.
[05:09] <hads> I have some half baked scripts here too; https://code.launchpad.net/~hads/+junk/mythvideo-stuff
[05:10] <IOU> lol @ half baked
[05:15] <IOU> eh im not stuffing around with it
[05:27] <IOU> the files are there, it just cant find them
[05:33] <IOU> hads: Know much python ?
[05:33] <hads> Yeah a bit
[05:34] <IOU> http://pastebin.com/d201abce0
[05:34] <IOU> any ideas
[05:37] <hads> python -c "import MythTV"
[05:37] <IOU> newline
[05:37] <IOU> didnt moan
[05:38] <IOU> same with python -c "from MythTV import MythDB"
[05:38] <Draggor> Anyone here have/use the Radeon HD 4650?
[05:38] <Draggor> I try to use the proprietary driver, and Myth looks all glitched and fragmented
[05:39] <hads> Dunno off the top of my head, I remember having to do something weird with the package imports
[05:39] <IOU> something weird....
[05:39] <hads> Try, "from MythTV import MythDB; m = MythDB"
[05:40] <IOU> same
[05:40] <IOU> worked
[05:40] <hads> Okay, "from MythTV import MythDB, MythVideo; mythvideo = MythVideo()"
[05:41] <IOU> wait
[05:41] <IOU> if i comment out these two lines
[05:41] <IOU>         #mythdb = MythDB()
[05:41] <IOU>         #mythvideo = MythVideo()
[05:41] <IOU> it works
[05:42] <IOU> uncomment any of those two and it moans
[05:42] <hads> Well you need those :)
[05:43] <IOU> yeah i know
[05:43] <IOU> oh hey I think i found whats wrong
[05:44] <hads> By something weird I meant in the MythTV package itself.
[05:45] <IOU> it doesnt like that my mysql password has a special char in it
[05:45] <hads> Oh, that's not very nice
[05:47] <IOU> it doesnt like my #
[05:47] <hads> Yeah that mysql.txt parsing needs to be fixed
[05:49] <IOU> heres where i have to go round and change my myth password
[05:53] <hads> Just hack it to suit
[05:54] <hads> I don't know why someone used shlex for that, I didn't write that bit
[06:41] <Draggor> So, I have the new drivers working, however, it won't fit the image to the screen
[06:41] <Draggor> 1080p, but there's still some very small black borders going on
[12:06] <arocs> Hello , i have a weird problem with mythbuntu 8.10 and ATI x1600 Video vsync ...
[12:07] <arocs> How can i enabled vsync with native ATI driver ? is it possible ?
[12:09] <arocs> When the image move from left /right i get some strange image distorsion ... any help ?
[12:54] <perlmonkey> hi guys, i just installed a pvr-150 into a system, and although the dmesg looks ok and it records on cat test, its only recording static.. i got svideo input going in from a stb so i know it should be recording, i verified input on another card
[12:54] <perlmonkey> any ideas? this is actually 1 of 2 pvr150's i got, the first one just won't even record on cat test
[12:55] <perlmonkey> i also have been testing a Compro Videomate T220 which is a dvb/analog hybrid card, interesting I can get the analogue working in VLC, but not in mythtv or cat test, and the dvb seems to be a total non-starter, its not even creating the dvb dev's in /dev.. anyone got any experiences or info on this card?
[12:55] <perlmonkey> finally, I also have an adaptec VideoOh! card which is working ok in Mythtv, although the quality of recording is not great
[12:55] <perlmonkey> any tips on how to improve the playback/recording quality?
[12:55] <perlmonkey> think thats all for now  :)
[12:55] <perlmonkey> oh, can anyone recommended a dvb/analogue input card that works out of the box?
[12:58] <perlmonkey> eeek seg fault in pidgin lib
[17:09] <dromer> hmm, so, someone frome #kubuntu directed me here: running the nvidia 177 driver I'm having trouble displaying in color on the svideo-out of my geforce 6200
[17:18] <perlmonkey> mythtvbuntu doesnt work with any of my cards
[17:19] <perlmonkey> time to switch to mythdora
[17:23] <tgm4883> perlmonkey, did you change the input you were trying to record from?
[17:23] <perlmonkey> :-/
[17:23] <perlmonkey> i tested 5 different cards and couldn't get any to work properly
[17:24] <perlmonkey> even the Hauppauge PVR-150 which is considered to be one of the most popular
[17:24] <tgm4883> specifically, thats the one i'm talking about
[17:24] <perlmonkey> ok
[17:24] <tgm4883> since you said you hooked it up through svideo
[17:24] <tgm4883> I'm wondering if you told the card you wanted to use svideo
[17:24] <tgm4883> since you are testing with cat
[17:24] <perlmonkey> yes, I hooked it up through svideo and composite
[17:25] <perlmonkey> i just figured that out about changing inputs, on the one PVR-150 it worked i could record from svideo, allbeit only in black and white
[17:25] <perlmonkey> i could not get any picture via the coax, but I guess that's down to the tuner
[17:26] <tgm4883> black and white?
[17:26] <tgm4883> sounds like a ntsc/pal issue
[17:26] <perlmonkey> the other PVR 150 i have which I wanted to use as that has phono audio input for svideo, won't work at all. dmesg reports problems, and it just won't even record on cat
[17:27] <tgm4883> bad card?
[17:27] <perlmonkey> which is odd because I took that from an old working mythtv backend system I used to use, unless the card got damaged in storage/removal, not sure what happened
[17:27] <perlmonkey> only can think of maybe a driver quirk/issue
[17:27] <tgm4883> well the pvr-150 works OOB, so it's either a bad card or a bad install
[17:28] <perlmonkey> yes
[17:28] <perlmonkey> but
[17:28] <perlmonkey> are all PVR-150's the same, you got the full and low profile ones and different spec eh, different ports etc.. revisions on boards
[17:29] <tgm4883> no, there are different pvr-150's
[17:29] <tgm4883> but the pvr-150 is discontinued, so they don't make new ones
[17:29] <perlmonkey> the only card was able to work immediately OOB in Mythtv was my Adaptech VideoOh!
[17:29] <perlmonkey> which uses the same chipset/ivtv driver as PVR-150
[17:29] <tgm4883> yea the pvr-150 should have worked right away in mythtv
[17:30] <perlmonkey> so something is messed up
[17:30] <tgm4883> just set it up as a harddware encoder card, setup the guide data, connect the two and scan for channels
[17:30] <tgm4883> well, import channels since you are using svideo
[17:30] <perlmonkey> at the moment I have the Adaptech one connected
[17:30] <perlmonkey> I'm not sure if this is a hardware encoder, I think it is
[17:32] <tgm4883> ok, well to increase the quality of those recordings, you will need to increase the bitrate
[17:32] <tgm4883> which IIRC, is under "Recording Profiles" in the frontend
[17:33] <perlmonkey> my original plan was to try and use a dvb card, i purchased a Compro Videomate T220 which although is showing as supported on Myth wiki, it doesn't seem to be easy to get working.. unusually I managed to get tvtime and vlc media player showing analogue playback thru it, but i was unable to get it to record to file using cat!  also the dvb side of it is a total non-starter, it does not load the saa7134-dvb module, and 
[17:33] <perlmonkey> ok
[17:34] <perlmonkey> (T220 is a hybrid card, it has dvb tuner but allows analog encoding at same time)
[17:34] <tgm4883> well the key to good compatibility is to research the cards before you buy
[17:34] <perlmonkey> true, i wish i had
[17:34] <perlmonkey> but it was a cheap buy so i decided just to try it
[17:34] <tgm4883> IIRC, the HDHomerun (although external) is pretty well supported
[17:34] <perlmonkey> cool
[17:35] <tgm4883> I am also a fan of my pvHDTV5500
[17:35] <tgm4883> the HDHomerun has dual tuners though
[17:35] <perlmonkey> did you ever manage to use a card OOB and never have to mess with driver issues or modules?
[17:35] <tgm4883> yea
[17:35] <perlmonkey> not me
[17:35] <tgm4883> on all the cards i've mentioned
[17:36] <perlmonkey> i will try this once last time
[17:36] <perlmonkey> i'm wondering if Mythdora will be able to support hardware any better
[17:36] <tgm4883> fresh install?
[17:36] <perlmonkey> yeah maybe thats good idea
[17:36] <tgm4883> i'd stick the pvr-150's in there and then do a fresh install
[17:37] <perlmonkey> ok worth a shot
[17:37] <tgm4883> once installed, set them up in mythtv, and if you are getting black/white, make sure you have the correct ntsc/pal setting
[17:37] <perlmonkey> how do I set it
[17:39] <tgm4883> it's probably some ivtv-utils setting
[17:39] <tgm4883> i can try and find it if you want
[17:39] <perlmonkey> ok ive just verified the adaptec card and its working with cat, its recording static for coax input and b&w for svideo
[17:40] <perlmonkey> thanks
[17:40] <perlmonkey> the video quality on adaptec doesnt look as sharp as PVR-150
[17:42] <perlmonkey> ok its in colour now
[17:42] <perlmonkey> all i did was change the Scart adaptor from my cable set top box, from TV OUT to VCR OUT
[17:42] <perlmonkey> i also change to composite and it seems crystal clear now
[17:43] <perlmonkey> tgm4883: im making good progress now with your help, but don't waste your time looking for that ntsc/pal thing
[17:43] <tgm4883> good
[17:44] <perlmonkey> ok its not 100% perfect, but I think it's acceptable. besides this is analogue and thru composite eh, its to be expected not 100% smooth
[17:44] <perlmonkey> i wish i could find out if the card has hardware encoder
[17:44] <tgm4883> yea, once you see digital tv, analog really does start to look like crap
[17:45] <perlmonkey> if card is recording to a file, it must do?
[17:45] <perlmonkey> else I would need v4l soft encoding?
[17:45] <perlmonkey> *card = cat
[17:45] <tgm4883> no, it will record to a file either way
[17:45] <perlmonkey> ok
[17:45] <tgm4883> hardware encoding just means the CPU doesn't have to do it
[17:45] <perlmonkey> yeah, how to be sure?
[17:46] <tgm4883> google
[17:46] <perlmonkey> the card im using is VideOh! Media Centre
[17:46] <perlmonkey> by Adaptec
[17:47] <perlmonkey> wow i found the box and it says hardware encoding
[17:47] <perlmonkey> MPEG-2
[17:47] <tgm4883> nice
[17:47] <perlmonkey> so this card must be similiar to PVR-150, even uses ivtv driver
[17:47] <tgm4883> must be
[17:47] <perlmonkey> i picked up a whole bunch of these for 6 bucks each
[17:48] <tgm4883> nice
[17:48] <perlmonkey> liquidated stock all new in sealed boxes
[17:48] <tgm4883> yea software encoders
[17:48] <tgm4883> yea software encoders....I don't even mess with those anymore
[17:48] <perlmonkey> software encoders suck eh
[17:48] <perlmonkey> frames get dropped
[17:49] <tgm4883> i had one back in the day
[17:49] <perlmonkey> i still got loads here
[17:49] <perlmonkey> BT848 chipsets
[17:49] <tgm4883> i've tossed all mine now
[17:49] <perlmonkey> yeah me too, into my old junk box
[17:49] <tgm4883> only hardware encoders or DVB cards now
[17:50] <perlmonkey> i could have DVB now i got an antenna but we cant get many channels here, only a handful, until 2011
[17:50] <perlmonkey> so its not much use, thats why im using analague with my cable box
[17:50] <perlmonkey> can you explain one thing to me please
[17:50] <tgm4883> that works too
[17:51] <perlmonkey> you know how cable have on demand on services etc.. that content can never be recorded thru commercial hdd recorders, always says copying not allowed, or encrypted.. but mythtv records it easily, why cant commercial products record and myth can?
[17:52] <perlmonkey> im guessing the commercial products and collaborated with the tv industry to put tech into boxes to stop recording?
[17:52] <tgm4883> when you say mythtv records it easily, are you talking about with a analog card?
[17:52] <perlmonkey> *and = have
[17:52] <perlmonkey> yes
[17:53] <tgm4883> yea, thats the analog loophole
[17:53] <perlmonkey> are you saying with a dvb card it wont?
[17:53] <perlmonkey> woah
[17:53] <perlmonkey> so analogue is still useful eh
[17:53] <tgm4883> yea, a dvb card most lilkely won't even tune that channel
[17:53] <perlmonkey> its worth having an analogue card in your setup to speak to the cable/sat box
[17:54] <perlmonkey> damn
[17:54] <Zinn> perlmonkey: Please watch your language.
[17:54] <perlmonkey> Zinn: huh?
[17:54] <tgm4883> family channel
[17:54] <perlmonkey> what did I say?
[17:54] <tgm4883> damn
[17:54] <Zinn> tgm4883: Please watch your language.
[17:54] <perlmonkey> wtf?
[17:54] <perlmonkey> damn = swearing?
[17:54] <Zinn> perlmonkey: Please watch your language.
[17:54] <tgm4883> yea
[17:54] <perlmonkey> thats insane
[17:55] <perlmonkey> is that guy a priest
[17:55] <tgm4883> yea, the satellite box is the only reason I have pvr-150/pvr-500's in my system
[17:55] <perlmonkey> do you think analogue will be a feature of mythtv for a long time to come then, or permanently?
[17:55] <tgm4883> and that is only until i get some hd-pvr's and  mythtv 0.22 is out
[17:55] <tgm4883> zinn is a bot
[17:55] <tgm4883> !about
[17:55] <Zinn> I am an IRC bot written in perl, but my code is not yet released.  I am named after Howard Zinn, you can learn more about him here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn
[17:55] <perlmonkey> ok
[17:56] <tgm4883> well they aren't going to remove card support from mythtv
[17:56] <tgm4883> that would be backwards
[17:56] <perlmonkey> no i mean
[17:56] <perlmonkey> do you think users will continue to buy and use analogue cards in their setups for the loop hole thing we mentioned
[17:56] <tgm4883> guarenteed
[17:56] <perlmonkey> :D
[17:57] <perlmonkey> but this raises a question eh
[17:57] <perlmonkey> if the industry is now moving to digital and hd video etc, it means compromising for second rate video with on-demand analog recorded stuff?
[17:58] <perlmonkey> the good thing about on demand content too is the adverts are usually already removed
[17:58] <tgm4883> thats a complicated question
[17:58] <tgm4883> basically, it's multipart
[17:59] <perlmonkey> who is behind the blocking of recording, cuz clearly theres some collabration going on, is it a law thing or just industry co-operation?
[17:59] <tgm4883> 1) don't confuse HD with digital, they are not the same
[17:59] <perlmonkey> ok
[17:59] <tgm4883> 2)  There are devices that can record HD in analog (well one, the HD-PVR)
[17:59] <perlmonkey> since users have always had the right to record live aired tv shows, why can they not also have the right to record on demand/repeated shows
[18:00] <perlmonkey> yes
[18:00] <perlmonkey> so i guess people can still record in analogue the on demand but to a higher (hd) quality
[18:00] <tgm4883> 2a)  As long as the industry allows people to view HD content through component (analog) cables, then the analog loophole will continue
[18:01] <perlmonkey> could they decide not to and block it?
[18:01] <tgm4883> the industry hates the analog loophole, which is a reason for the move to digital
[18:01] <perlmonkey> is it technically possible?
[18:01] <perlmonkey> wow
[18:02] <tgm4883> yes, if you have followed the blu-ray/hd-dvd stuff, you will know that there is a flag they can use that will only output 540p over component
[18:02] <tgm4883> they haven't used that yet, but eventually they will
[18:02] <perlmonkey> :(
[18:03] <perlmonkey> so whats in it for manufacturers of recording boxes etc, like hdd recorders... why are they building their analogue boxes even not to record on demand?
[18:03] <tgm4883> speculation for them not using it yet, is that most people don't have HDMI connections on their TV's, so they wouldn't see a large difference between the 480p and 540p of dvd and blu-ray
[18:03] <perlmonkey> to avoid legal consequences of tv corps?
[18:03] <tgm4883> once the adoption rate is high enough, they will do it
[18:04] <tgm4883> about the cable boxes, IIRC it's a legal thing
[18:04] <perlmonkey> ok
[18:04] <perlmonkey> so if u make and sell a device that's clearly intended to record tv, it would be illegal if it allowed on demand content to be recorded as well
[18:05] <perlmonkey> you would be giving people the means to breach copyright
[18:05] <tgm4883> very large grey area
[18:05] <perlmonkey> but with mythtv its different, because its not intended to record tv specifically
[18:05] <tgm4883> like i said, very large grey area
[18:05] <perlmonkey> i dont think their laws would apply
[18:06] <tgm4883> basically, it's all speculation because it hasn't been taken to court yet
[18:06] <perlmonkey> it hasnt, but the manufacturers of the boxes dont seem to be taking any chances do they
[18:06] <perlmonkey> you cant record on any of them
[18:06] <perlmonkey> i think its even above the manufacturers of the boxes
[18:07] <perlmonkey> its at the chip maker level
[18:07] <tgm4883> well, I believe legally, you have to respect the broadcast flags
[18:07] <perlmonkey> anyway its all a grey area like you said
[18:08] <perlmonkey> what i will do now is..
[18:08] <tgm4883> for instance, they can say (do what you want), or they can say (record once), or (never record)
[18:08] <perlmonkey> try and run mythtv-setup and see if the newly tested adaptec card can work and perform ok
[18:08] <perlmonkey> i see
[18:09] <tgm4883> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_flag#Pay-per-view_movies_on_Cable_Provider_Provided_DVRs
[18:09] <perlmonkey> the way cable seems to be is, you can record anything that's live aired but not on demand
[18:09] <perlmonkey> on demand is view only
[18:09] <perlmonkey> its obvious to see why eh
[18:09] <tgm4883> exactly
[18:10] <perlmonkey> that content is probably providing a lot of revenue for them, like premium content you pay to view
[18:10] <perlmonkey> also much of it is probably available to them on license from owners
[18:11] <tgm4883> yea, there are a few people in the chain that like to get paid
[18:11] <perlmonkey> :D
[18:11] <perlmonkey> they don't want everyone recording and sharing it and breaking the chain/moula flow?
[18:11] <tgm4883> yea
[18:12] <tgm4883> although IMO stopping piracy isn't the number 1 reason that drm was invented
[18:13] <perlmonkey> what is the no1 reason
[18:13] <tgm4883> to stop the second hand market
[18:13] <perlmonkey> oh!
[18:14] <perlmonkey> tgm have you tried mythdora?
[18:15] <tgm4883> i've installed it in a vm
[18:15] <perlmonkey> what did you think? does it compare well with mythbuntu?
[18:16] <tgm4883> for full disclosure, I should probably state that i'm a mythbuntu developer
[18:16] <perlmonkey> ok i understand, you may be bias
[18:16] <perlmonkey> i've looked at the sites and content of both distros but not tried mythdora
[18:16] <tgm4883> it serves a purpose, but all my other systems are ubuntu, so I like to run a tight ship
[18:17] <perlmonkey> my impression so far is that mythbuntu has the edge and is more organised and professional
[18:17] <tgm4883> thanks
[18:17] <perlmonkey> some of the documentation on dora seems a little sketchy and the attitude of developers
[18:18] <perlmonkey> while buntu seems to be very well documented and the community is larger
[18:18] <tgm4883> they do a good job over there too
[18:18] <perlmonkey> yeah I think its almost equal, its probably a fair choice between either
[18:19] <tgm4883> our community is larger, but that is more due to the popularity of ubuntu
[18:19] <perlmonkey> but if you're used to buntu like i am, and coming from debian for 9 years, its easy to choose mythbuntu
[18:20] <perlmonkey> ive added my card in
[18:20] <perlmonkey> i had to guess on the type, it came up v4l, but i selected MPEG, same class as PVR150
[18:21] <perlmonkey> i managed to probe info tho and got it right which is a good sign
[18:21] <perlmonkey> thats not happend with all my other cards, even PVR150
[18:21] <perlmonkey> *it
[18:22] <perlmonkey> is it necessary to add a video source?
[18:22] <tgm4883> yea
[18:23] <perlmonkey> this part confuses me, say you only want to have your card hooked up to cable box, you still need tv source/schedule to record right eh, but for testing purposes you can bypass it?
[18:23] <tgm4883> you always have to have a tv source, even if you go into video sources and select "none"
[18:23] <perlmonkey> ah ok
[18:23] <perlmonkey> maybe thats where i been going wrong
[18:24] <tgm4883> because then you connect that video source to the input on your card, then mythtv knows which card inputs to use
[18:24] <perlmonkey> its interesting theres TWO sources for UK, why is that?
[18:24]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[18:24] <tgm4883> <- US
[18:24] <perlmonkey> oh of course
[18:24] <perlmonkey> EIT scan is for dvb?
[18:25] <tgm4883> yea
[18:25] <perlmonkey> MythTV was unable to retrieve your channel information for your provider.
[18:25] <perlmonkey> this always happens :-/
[18:26] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:26] <tgm4883> which step are you in?
[18:26] <perlmonkey> 3. Video Sources -> New Video Source -> Video Source Setup
[18:27] <tgm4883> what did you put for your source?
[18:28] <perlmonkey> I put: Video Source name: Virgin Media  Listings Grabber: United Kingdom/Republic of Ireland, Radio Times... Channel Freq: default
[18:29] <tgm4883> ah yea, heres the problem.  You have to get the guide data from somewhere, or you have to select none for guide data
[18:29] <tgm4883> in the UK, i'm not sure how thats done, although maybe Daviey will pipe in
[18:30] <perlmonkey> :-/
[18:30] <perlmonkey> it says..
[18:30] <perlmonkey> tv_grab_uk_rt: config will run in terminal
[18:30] <perlmonkey> but i dont see any terminal or can't access it
[18:31] <perlmonkey> maybe I should do this step manually after
[18:31] <tgm4883> you have to setup some XML thing to get it, I wish I could be more help here
[18:31] <tgm4883> for testing, I'd put it as none, you can always go back later
[18:31] <perlmonkey> ok no prob there must be some doc on this i expect
[18:31] <perlmonkey> yes
[18:31] <tgm4883> yea, could be in the installation manual
[18:31] <tgm4883> !installation%
[18:31] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about installation%
[18:31] <tgm4883> !manual
[18:31] <Zinn> http://mythbuntu.org/installation_manual
[18:31] <perlmonkey> woah
[18:32] <perlmonkey> i switched from the 1st UK option to the second one (shown above) and now its doing something, its gone 50% and is halted
[18:33] <perlmonkey> i remember from my experiences using mythtv some years ago (before it was even packaged into Debian/Ubuntu) that this step takes a LONG time, because it has to parse all the content from Radio Times website, or used to
[18:34] <perlmonkey> you would think they would of streamlined this by now and grab the content to one central location once weekly/fortnightly and then feed it in
[18:34] <perlmonkey> i even considered offering such a service (free) myself for UK users ages ago off my server
[18:34] <tgm4883> well, right now, it's just getting the channels
[18:34] <perlmonkey> ok
[18:34] <tgm4883> it's not actually grabbing the data yet
[18:35] <perlmonkey> I think it's stuck/broken now
[18:35] <tgm4883> well, it might be sticking it in a file for later use
[18:35] <perlmonkey> still at 50%
[18:35] <tgm4883> thats also posible that it's just not working
[18:35] <perlmonkey> :(
[18:36] <perlmonkey> i may have to CRTL ALT DEL it
[18:36] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:36] <tgm4883> yea thats not good
[18:36] <tgm4883> try alt tab
[18:37] <tgm4883> see if it's working in another window
[18:37] <perlmonkey> theres like another box behind the main one, like its whited out if u see what i mean
[18:37] <perlmonkey> ok
[18:37] <perlmonkey> woah
[18:37] <perlmonkey> its just waiting for input in the terminal its ran
[18:37] <perlmonkey> asking to choose char encoding set
[18:39] <perlmonkey> looks good
[18:40] <perlmonkey> it's now scanning
[18:41] <perlmonkey> if I want to use just cable on the coax, i still need to tune/scan for channel right?
[18:42] <perlmonkey> to get the frequency? its not like svideo or composite where you can plug a source on and its done
[18:44] <perlmonkey> ok it hasn't worked
[18:45] <perlmonkey> it locked onto 2 channels (52) which i remember is the right channel number for cable
[18:45] <tgm4883> on the coax, are you coming from a cable box?
[18:45] <perlmonkey> but im getting only white noise
[18:45] <perlmonkey> yup
[18:45] <perlmonkey> on the TV coax -> into TV input on card
[18:45] <perlmonkey> *TV out
[18:46] <perlmonkey> so what went wrong eh :-/
[18:47] <perlmonkey> it also won't let me change source using C key
[18:48] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:49] <tgm4883> over here, it should only work on channel 3 or 4
[18:49] <perlmonkey> i screwed up?
[18:49] <tgm4883> no, it's fine
[18:49] <perlmonkey> i remember from past its always 52 for my cable for some reason
[18:49] <perlmonkey> or 53
[18:49] <tgm4883> could be
[18:50] <tgm4883> it's whatever channel your tv has to be tuned to when your cable box is hooked up to it
[18:50] <perlmonkey> but im only getting white noise so something is clearly wrong
[18:50] <perlmonkey> oh
[18:50] <perlmonkey> i use A/V normally for that
[18:51] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:51] <tgm4883> sec
[18:52] <perlmonkey> im going to verify the coax is sending signal by plugging into tv antenna socket
[18:52] <tgm4883> sounds good, see what channel it's broadcasting on too
[18:52] <perlmonkey> it is
[18:53] <tgm4883> then hook it back up to the card and tune that channel
[18:53] <perlmonkey> BBC2 is on
[18:53] <tgm4883> it should come in fine
[18:53] <tgm4883> I have to run an errand real quick, but i'll be back in a few
[18:54] <perlmonkey> ok
[19:08] <perlmonkey> spotted a possible bug
[19:09] <agreene1> !help
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[19:09] <perlmonkey> hi
[19:09] <agreene1> hello
[19:10] <agreene1> I got my mythtv up, but now it only shows channels 1-12
[19:10] <agreene1> the cable works in a tv and gets all the channels
[19:10] <agreene1> any ideas?
[19:11] <perlmonkey> all the big cheeses are away on errands, only me here
[19:11] <perlmonkey> are you using dvb or analogue?
[19:11] <agreene1> no problem....
[19:11] <perlmonkey> I'm using cable too
[19:11] <darthanubis> agreene1, go to the frontend and add cannels
[19:12] <darthanubis> did you setup a schedules direct membership?
[19:12] <perlmonkey> you can't get all the channels automatically from cable with analogue
[19:12] <agreene1> yes...I have the scehdules direct setup
[19:12] <agreene1> and it scanned all the channels
[19:12] <darthanubis> and you have to tell the frontend you have us-cable braodcast
[19:12] <agreene1> but only got signal on 12 of them
[19:12] <darthanubis> it is all in the documentation
[19:12] <perlmonkey> phew
[19:13] <agreene1> sorry...I did read over the documentation
[19:13] <agreene1> thanks...i'll look around there
[19:13] <darthanubis> no need to be sorry
[19:13] <darthanubis> I was just pointing in the right direction. The direction will be clearer than myself
[19:15] <perlmonkey> ok heres the bug, when you go back to a Input Connections and re-scan channels, myth-setup exists/shutsdown instantly
[19:16] <perlmonkey> only seems to happen if you have a source selected for the input in question, if you set to no source, it will allow you to scan for channels
[19:17] <perlmonkey> sorry hope i explained that clearly
[19:21] <agreene1> thanks for the help!  got it working now.
[19:22] <perlmonkey> ok this aint working still
[19:27] <perlmonkey> tried everything, 2 days solid i've been on this now :-/
[19:28] <perlmonkey> should be quite simple eh, just want to record from a cable box via coax
[20:01] <perlmonkey> where is tgm
[20:02] <tgm4883> perlmonkey, dev meeting, can you hook the coax directly up to your card bypassing the cablebox
[20:03] <perlmonkey> I did so and got some channels from my antenna, but poor receiption. i think it's impossible to do coax from TV out on STB, some guys in #mythtv-users say it can't work like that
[20:03] <perlmonkey> STB = cablebox
[20:03] <perlmonkey> tgm: what do you say?
[20:04] <tgm4883> well, it's not impossible, but probably rarely used.  A more used solution is with composite or svideo
[20:04] <tgm4883> with coax, you have to lock the channel
[20:04] <perlmonkey> ok
[20:05] <tgm4883> and i've always seen problems when trying to do that
[20:05] <perlmonkey> i want to do that because I want audio over coax rather than the hassle of composite and lead adapters
[20:05] <perlmonkey> as my card requires 3.5" audio in and my STB gives L R phono
[20:05] <perlmonkey> i dont got any leads to convert it, and i need to record something urgently tonight
[20:06] <perlmonkey> ok
[20:06] <perlmonkey> if you think its gonna be a load of hassle to do coax, i will do the audio problem and go with composite
[20:08] <tgm4883> well you can try
[20:08] <tgm4883> you need to find out which channel your tv is set to when hooked up directly to the cable box
[20:09] <tgm4883> then lock the card on that channel
[20:09] <tgm4883> which is done in mythtv-setup
[20:11] <perlmonkey> ok thanks i will try it
[20:13] <perlmonkey> yes its 52
[20:13] <perlmonkey> i just did it, thats the same as what my card is set to, but yet that shows white noise
[20:14] <tgm4883> ok, in mythtv-setup, you connected tuner1 to your video source
[20:16] <perlmonkey> ok
[20:18] <perlmonkey> Present tuner to channel: 52
[20:18] <perlmonkey> Starting channel: 52
[20:18] <perlmonkey> Video source: Virgin Media
[20:18] <perlmonkey> input: Tuner 1
[20:18] <perlmonkey> Capture device: MPEG: /dev/video0
[20:18] <tgm4883> ok, but what about in step 4 (I think)
[20:19] <tgm4883> thats where the two are linked together
[20:19] <perlmonkey> ya that's step 4 i just did
[20:19] <tgm4883> ok
[20:19] <perlmonkey> looks good?
[20:20] <tgm4883> yea looks fine
[20:20] <tgm4883> try using cat again
[20:20] <tgm4883> see if it gets video
[20:20] <perlmonkey> what's Transport Editor
[20:20] <perlmonkey> ok will try
[20:22] <perlmonkey> omg, it worked!
[20:22] <tgm4883> cat did?
[20:23] <tgm4883> or mythtv?
[20:23] <perlmonkey> I think so yes, cat
[20:23] <perlmonkey> i will try it again to make sure
[20:23] <tgm4883> ok
[20:25] <perlmonkey> ok false alarm
[20:25]  * perlmonkey tests again
[20:26] <perlmonkey> woah
[20:26] <perlmonkey> its definitely working over coax
[20:27] <perlmonkey> i had composite in as well as coax so couldn't be sure, i unplugged composite, used v4l2-ctl to set to tuner 1, and recorded again with cat
[20:27] <tgm4883> thats good
[20:27] <perlmonkey> it definitely recorded what i saw on tv, using coax cable only
[20:27] <perlmonkey> woohoo! i must of had a wrong cable in coax on card earlier or something, i got so many cables here
[20:28] <perlmonkey> so now in theory i should have audio?
[20:28] <perlmonkey> coming in the same stream?
[20:30] <tgm4883> yea
[20:30] <tgm4883> should work
[20:32] <perlmonkey> i dont think this box has audio its a new install i gotta try and test sound
[20:38] <tgm4883> yea test some sound outside of mythtv
[20:54] <perlmonkey> I got no sound :(
[20:54] <perlmonkey> im playing a wav file on loop with mplayer but no audio on this system at all
[20:54] <perlmonkey> something is missing or broken
[20:58] <perlmonkey> I fixed it
[21:38] <Claw6> hello i pluged an external HDD to my htpc... now how can i scan for all media on it?
[21:46] <robertr> !help
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[21:46] <robertr> !zinn scart
[21:46] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about zinn scart
[21:46] <robertr> !help scart
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[21:46] <robertr> !status
[21:46] <Zinn> I am alive.
[21:51] <robertr> I'm not sure if its the right place to ask but I use a PAL-TV scart to attach to an add2 card on a gma900 chipset and even though the startup text visible as is the loading logo the seond X.org starts I get something that can only be described as red rain!? any thoughts at all or suggestions
[22:54] <tgm4883> does anyone have 8.10 or 9.04 master backend handy?
[22:56] <hads> Yeah, 8.10
[22:57] <tgm4883> hads, can you check the status of bug 156935
[22:57] <Zinn> Bug 156935 in mythbuntu "cubert.itri.brighton.ac.uk entry in mySQL privileges database" [Low, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/156935
[22:57] <tgm4883> it should be fixed
[22:58] <tgm4883> basically, the build server used to have a user entry in mysql
[22:59] <hads> I don't have one, but I don't reacall seeing one ever.
[22:59] <tgm4883> ok, i'm going to close that then
[23:00] <tgm4883> it should be fixed as canonical builds our disks now
[23:01] <hads> None in a friends either.
[23:01] <pinion> ok, so I'm a little new to this init.d
[23:01] <pinion> I started the service by doing /etc/init.d/sab start
[23:01] <pinion> how do I make it start at boot?
[23:01] <pinion> or will it remember that it was started?
[23:01] <hads> sab?
[23:01] <pinion> well
[23:02] <pinion> sabnzdplus
[23:02] <pinion> but I'm lazy
[23:02] <hads> If it's from a package then it will usually start by default
[23:03] <pinion> ok
[23:03] <hads> YOu can adjust things with update-rc.d
[23:03] <pinion> thanks
[23:03] <pinion> ok
[23:03] <pinion> where is that?
[23:04] <hads> It's an executable, you run it from the command line
[23:06] <perlmonkey> many thanks guys, tgm, you're the top guy
[23:07] <perlmonkey> i was able to record the show for my friend thanks to your help
[23:08] <tgm4883> perlmonkey, glad it worked out
[23:08] <perlmonkey> tgm something strange happened when i recorded
[23:09] <perlmonkey> i had setup my cable box so it played the show thru my tv via Scart lead (you dont have Scart in USA right?) and coax into my myth box
[23:10] <perlmonkey> like 10 seconds into the show starting (on demand show) immediately the TV screen went blank and a window popped up (from HDD recorder osd and said Copying Prohibited. Cannot View... meanwhile mythtv played the show normally and recorded it
[23:11] <perlmonkey> because it was going through my commercial hdd recorder to TV eh
[23:12] <perlmonkey> initially i had no sound in mythtv, even tho i had sound on PC
[23:12] <perlmonkey> but i adjusted some settings in General Setup on frontend and that fixed it
[23:13] <perlmonkey> mythtv rocks
[23:13] <perlmonkey> now im encouraged to write up my experience and test more cards and hardware
[23:14] <perlmonkey> i've learned some good skills to be able to do testing
[23:15] <tgm4883> perlmonkey, sounds like the pop up was just a info message from your recorder
[23:15] <perlmonkey> tgm4883: yes it blocked me from seeing the show on my tv
[23:15] <perlmonkey> refused to play the picture
[23:16] <tgm4883> but mythtv recorded it fine?
[23:16] <perlmonkey> thats why i hate hdd recorders now and won't use mine
[23:16] <perlmonkey> yup recorded it fine, sound and all
[23:16] <tgm4883> that is strange
[23:16] <perlmonkey> :D
[23:17] <perlmonkey> mythtv has the power to walk around encryption?
[23:18] <tgm4883> analog loophole I guess
[23:18] <perlmonkey> yes like you said earlier
[23:18] <perlmonkey> i proved it
[23:19] <perlmonkey> ive discovered that Adaptec VideOh! cards are practically identical to Hauppauge PVR-150 yet cost a fraction of the cost
[23:19] <tgm4883> thats a good deal then
[23:20] <tgm4883> are they still making them?
[23:20] <perlmonkey> this is worth mentioning on the Mythtv community pages for newcomers or anyone wanting a cheap analogue hardware encoder
[23:20] <perlmonkey> i'm not sure, but ive seen a lot being sold cheap constantly on ebay
[23:20] <perlmonkey> they also have a receiver and remote with them and lots of cables
[23:21] <perlmonkey> i would even say the Adaptec VideoOh! cards are better supported than PVR-150 as mine worked instantly out of the box in Mythtv
[23:21] <perlmonkey> but PVR-150's required some fiddling