[00:25] How to enable cpufreq on 8.10 server. "$cpufreq-info" gives " analyzing CPU 7: [00:25] no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU" [00:28] mhh, ubuntu has an old clamav :S [00:35] MatBoy: distributions don't release instant updates -- the scanner doesn't need to be new ... it's the signatures that do === mccune is now known as jmccune === zul_ is now known as zul [01:38] * Nafallo wonders how much he'll loose in speed to install a cgi php rather than a module. [01:38] MatBoy: What release are you on? [01:38] hardy [01:38] drupal box. [01:38] Current clamav is in hardy-backports [01:38] oh [01:39] that wasn't for me :-P [01:39] No, that's why I said MatBoy. [01:39] ;-) [01:39] yea. just require me reading as well ;-) [01:41] * Nafallo looks at the manually selected packages he have and frowns [01:41] drupal5, php5-cgi, php5-pgsql, postgresql, postgresql-client-8.3 [01:42] I should probably check into suphp as well, no? [01:44] god damn postfix... jesus. [01:49] Language [02:08] anybody any idea why cpu temp raises 10° just from upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10 server? [02:10] there is a bug about temps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/67906 [02:10] Launchpad bug 67906 in linux "CPU Temperature significantly higher in Edgy than in Dapper" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:29] Nafallo: what's wrong with postfix? [02:31] Nafallo: it's called Reverse Polar Notation, not postfix. :-p [02:31] giovani: drupal requires and MTA for whatever random reason ;-) [02:31] lamont: ha! :-P [02:31] why on earth would you use drupal? [02:31] it's awful [02:31] lamont: I wanted to ask you about something anyway! [02:32] giovani: because my customer wants it. [02:32] get better customers [02:32] lamont: still around? [02:32] or convince them not to use it [02:32] giovani: *shrugs* do not care. [02:34] anybody know how to get coufreq running on 64-bit xeons? Other than recompiling the kernel I find no answer through google. [02:38] temperature: referencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/163398 ? [02:38] Launchpad bug 163398 in linux "CPU Frequency Throttling not working on Xeon EM64T" [Undecided,New] [02:38] seems it's just passed down from the debian kernel -- since there's a debian bug for the same problem [02:38] .... [02:38] enough people have confirmed it that it's clearly just a bug ... either wait for it to get fixed, or, like you said, compile your own kernel [02:38] giovani: We don't get our kernel from Debian. [02:39] ScottK: kernel patches aren't copied from debian at all? [02:39] It may be from time to time, but Ubuntu takes it's kernel from upstream directly. [02:40] We're generally on a newer version of the kernel than they are. [02:40] newer than what's in sid? [02:40] anyway, it's here in debian as well: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=489058 [02:40] Debian bug 489058 in linux-2.6 "2.6.25-2-amd64: acpi_cpufreq won't load on Xeon E5420" [Normal,Open] [02:41] the official cpufreq site states xeon support from what I can tell -- so it seems odd the same bug would be present in both if it's not an upstream bug [02:41] just what I could find, do with it what you will :) [02:42] Could be an upstream bug in common. [02:42] Nafallo: sup? [02:42] bouncing back and forth [02:43] lamont: on the master dns server. I can use the same database file for multiple zones, right? :-) [02:43] lamont: it's the same data in them anyway :-) [02:43] same file? [02:43] see named.conf.local in the deb. :-p [02:43] lamont: same zone file :-) [02:43] all rfc1918 zones share 'db.empty' [02:43] ah. fair enough :-) [02:43] well... I mean, it`s not like it`s some stupid GUI bug... [02:44] haha [02:44] :-) [02:44] I actually have to repoint .com for this customer to another zone file because .com doesn't love my ns1 under .net ;-) [02:45] huh? [02:46] the registrar didn't recognise ns1.magicalforest.net for some reason, so I named it ns1.magicalforest.se and everything got happy ;-) [02:46] ah, that's simple: bitchslap the registrar [02:46] :-P [02:47] I mean, send them a nice request saying "my nameserver is ns1.magicalforest.net, please make that work. kthx" [02:47] not even sure what upstream registrar fasthosts use :-/ [02:47] dead serious about the concept [02:47] your registrar [02:47] the one what you're paying money to. [02:47] hehe. I'll tell my customer ;-) [02:48] dig ns mmjgroup.com <-- I had to tell my registrar to make the .no host happy [02:49] gaah. your damn domains just remind me I'm lacking IPv6 still :-P [02:53] * Nafallo slapped a one-liner in terms of xhtml ;-) [02:56] giggle [02:57] * lamont goes back to the movie [03:53] is ther a minimalist DM for ubuntu running 640MB ram? [03:57] DM? [04:06] hads: Desktop Manager, I presume [04:06] AJ247: XFCE is widely chosen for being pretty lean, yet featureful, and not "ugly" like many people feel options like fluxbox are [04:07] xubuntu packages XFCE automatically, of course you can install the packages on another install [04:07] screen :) [04:07] giovani: yes. [04:08] AJ247: is something like XFCE what you're looking for? [04:08] Yes. XFCE will be fine. [04:09] how do i install on ubunut-server? [04:09] AJ247: the easiest way would be to 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' [04:09] Alrihght. [04:09] which will essentially "convert" your minimalist server install to a full xubuntu install [04:09] you can, however, install individual xfce packages manually if you want [04:10] in the future, you can do a xubuntu install initially using this: http://www.xubuntu.org/ [04:10] Well, i only have 640MB installed, so im looking for performance [04:11] is this system to be used as a server, or as a desktop? [04:11] Server [04:11] then why do you want a graphical interface? [04:11] But help with dealing with Xfce is OT here. [04:11] there's no advantage on a server install [04:11] to easily manage via command line [04:12] huh? [04:12] AJ247: I recommend you look at remotely managing your server via ssh from a desktop -- it'll give you the option of virtual terminals within a gui -- without bloating your server [04:13] i have, im using putty. [04:13] then that's the best way to manage your server -- do not install a gui of any kind [04:13] well i was just thinking if it would be best to do so, thank you. [04:14] ok, the answer is definitely not :) [04:14] good luck [04:14] lol [04:14] ?question, [04:14] do you know how to clear mbr from a hard drive? [04:16] be careful, but dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/XXX bs=512 count=1 [04:16] replace XXX with your HD device [04:17] * giovani & [04:18] k. [04:22] can anyone help me with info on vpns? [04:22] giovani: that will kill the partition table, too [04:22] giovani: you want bs=446 or so [04:23] =/ [04:33] twb: as the partition table is part of the MBR, that shouldn't be a surprise ;) [04:34] twb: yeah ... MBR = 512 [04:35] a lot of people dont realise the partition table is part of the MBR [04:36] the kind of people that would ask in here, for example, may not realise that [04:36] anyone home? [04:37] danny723: plenty, as you can see [04:42] * lamont has been home for about 2 hours === `6og is now known as Kamping_Kaiser === Bruce is now known as Bruceee [05:56] hello [07:05] JanC: well sure, but I'd want the reader to be sure they wanted to blow away the partition table, and not just the bootloader. [09:00] New bug: #336153 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.0.67-0ubuntu6 failed to install/upgrade: il sottoprocesso pre-installation script ha restituito un codice di errore 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/336153 [09:20] hi, is ubuntu-9.04.2-server stable enough to use it in a soho environment? [10:47] substr: there's no simple answer to that question. [10:49] substr: by stability, do you mean "will it crash", or "will it receive feature updates (which tend to introduce bugs)", or "can I 'deploy and forget' in three-year cycles" or something else? [10:50] Are you comparing it to, say, Microsoft SBS, or Debian, or OpenBSD? [10:51] *I* wouldn't be too worried about an Ubuntu server, but the guy who sits next to me worries because (unlike RHEL) Ubuntu doesn't have a "proven track record" in the server space, and Canonical clearly places first priority on the desktop. [10:52] ...but then I have enough Debian experience to fix most issues I encounter. [13:42] any good bittorrent tracker in ubuntu hardy? === BrunoX1ambert is now known as BrunoXLambert [14:09] twb: sorry, I was away when you answered.. [14:10] well.. my first task is to set up a small fileserver. later on it might also get used as database server and whatever will be needed further on [14:12] thinking about which distibution to choose, my first ifea was gentoo because its very tiny.. but even hard to setup [14:14] next idea was kubuntu, because im using it on my workstation and its very fast and easy to setup... but due to the old hardware I actualy got its running very slow [14:14] (i tried with the live-cd) [14:15] so im looking for something thats not too hard to setup and even small enough to run on crappy hardware [14:47] anyone know if Alfresco's compatibility issues will be fixed with 9.04 server edition? [14:47] or, for that matter, what the exact compatibility issues are? [14:48] Alfresco won't work on 8.10 === ircmaxell is now known as Guest51046 === BrunoX1ambert is now known as BrunoXLambert [16:41] hey guys [16:56] help...I am new to server...I just installed ubuntu x64 and I really wanted gnome..just no games/gimp/openoffice/etc. Is there a good way to add gnome/synaptic/gpanel-goodies to the ubuntu server? I am going to add virtualbox to the machine so I will need all that stuff. I also want to add firefox..but that is about it....Thank you. [17:00] sozob: you can install the individual packages [17:01] but there's no easy metapackage that won't install the other utilities you'd like to avoid [17:02] and it's also off topic, GUI related stuff is best asked in #ubuntu [17:02] darn...thanks... [17:02] well, but the question is in reference to a server install, and adding packages to it? [17:02] but ok [17:02] thats why I tried here [17:02] ;) [17:02] giovani: Once you talk about Gnome, you aren't talking about Server. [17:03] err sozob... [17:04] theres lots of services that a server could be used for that would need a gui.... [17:05] sozob: not really [17:05] websphere has a gui [17:06] that's required? [17:06] just because a product offers a gui doesn't mean that it's recommended [17:06] all the installs I've done require it [17:07] no matter the os [17:07] and what graphics toolkit does it use? [17:07] well it uses java, which uses.... [17:07] what a mess [17:07] use rhel then [17:07] they like guis on their servers [17:07] no...I like ubuntu [17:08] ;) [17:08] no worries, I will get it going...I may be better off starting at desktop...yuck!!!! [17:08] well you can install a gui on top of ubuntu server ... but nobody here recommends it [17:09] i am sure you don't [17:09] i don't either [17:09] but there are occasions [17:09] recommended or not, GUIs are outside the scope of this channel, and you're better served asking in #ubuntu [17:09] wonder if the server kernel will play nice with all that "desktop"ish stuff on it....any ideas [17:13] sup [18:15] hi, I installed ubuntu server 8.10 yesterday, added bare minimum X to system so I could look stuff up on websites while configuring [18:15] The groups listed for my user by the id command are different depending on whether I'm logged in a VT or a gui. [18:16] Namely, under GUI, my membership in the group 'users' is not recognized [18:16] While it is from the VT terminals [18:17] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1083539 [18:21] slogger_: GUI related issues are off topic here, and are best served in #ubuntu [18:22] okay, I thought it might be related to using server version, but I'll check #ubuntu, though they usually just post links to stupid wiki pages I've already looked at. [18:25] Should I take the time to upgrade my server box from 256MB of RAM to 512MB? [18:27] Noah0504: if you want to, sure [18:28] Well, I have the RAM, but don't really feel like pulling it out. Ha. I know last night it stopped responding to the network. It's headless, so I don't really know what was happening. I did have rTorrent running though. I thought maybe it was a RAM issue and it wasn't liking life. [18:29] sigh ... well, nobody here has a magic 8 ball [18:29] so that's simply up to yo [18:29] you* [18:29] Ha. Perhaps I was just looking for the motivation. [18:29] :) === Gargoyle is now known as Gargoyle|away [18:39] Noah0504: run a memtest [19:09] nijaba > thx for rabbitmq in jaunty, very good idea :) [19:55] New bug: #336368 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.67-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/336368 [20:56] I've completely borked up my mysql install to the point where I want to start over completely. Is there a way to get aptitude to reinstall the original test & mysql tables? [21:21] what are you guys doing with dcc on intrepid ? it's not in there anymore ofcourse [21:29] not using it [21:29] although it is odd, unless there's a specific reason that it's disappeared [21:30] oh, I see -- it's a security issue [21:34] what are ppa packages and is it safe to use them? for example: https://launchpad.net/~onestone/+archive/ppa [21:35] Davedan2: Personal Package Archie [21:35] Archive* [21:35] Davedan2: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA [21:35] they're totally unsupported by ubuntu, they're packages built by the user you see in the url, use them if you like, but, they're "unofficial" [21:36] maybe not the best link... [21:36] giovani: thanks. ubuntu packages are great but sometime take months to get updated... :( [21:37] Davedan2: there are reasons behind those policies, newer software often introduces new, untested code, with a higher probability of security vulnerabilities in it [21:37] it's a delicate balancing act -- you have to decide what risks you're comfortable with [21:37] ok [21:38] as a general rule of thumb, unless you need a feature/bugfix that's only present in the newer release, there's no good reason to be using a newer release [21:40] giovani: I developed a module that works with the newer release but didn't know it'll take months to have a package [21:40] Davedan2: most distributions use a policy of only fixing bugs once there's a release [21:40] since there's a release every 6 months in Ubuntu (roughly) ... the software is usually pretty new [21:41] giovani: so maybe I can count on jaunty [21:41] you can look up what upstream version is in use in jaunty [21:41] what package is this? [21:41] giovani: ok :) [21:42] ejabberd [21:42] on Jaunty it is the latest [21:42] giovani: I thought it was a "closed source" issue [21:44] MatBoy: ah, did the license change? I found reference via google that it was related to a bugfix that couldn't be backported [21:44] (at least for debian) [21:44] dantalizing: intrepid includes 2.0.1 -- seems quite new to me [21:44] so it should also for ubuntu I guess in that case [21:44] err, Davedan2 [21:44] intrepid also includes the new clamav... finally :) [21:45] Davedan2: the newest release is 2.0.3 which jaunty does include, yes [21:45] you wrote a module that will only work with 2.0.3 but not 2.0.1? [21:45] giovani: yes [21:46] heh [21:46] ok [21:46] maybe you'd be better off running a source-based distro :) [21:46] giovani: I'll build it from source and use the package when Jaunty is up. probably take some months [21:46] jaunty is up [21:46] giovani: thanks [21:46] it's in alpha [21:46] you can try to use the package -- but be ready for potential dependency messes [21:47] giovani: from experience using alpha means alot of truble [21:47] giovani: source based ?? man gentoo suck big time... perios [21:47] *period [21:47] MatBoy: not if you want the absolute newest versions of everything -- then it's quite ideal [21:47] or desire a lot of fine-grained control [21:48] hehe, fine-frainded ? we don't live in the 386 time anymore :) [21:48] bleeding edge :S [21:48] I know a number of enterprises using gentoo in large clusters [21:48] they see benefit in it [21:48] I also... hyves [21:48] and their admins are not inexperienced in the least [21:48] with 2200 servers :S [21:48] but we live in the web 2.0 times... [21:48] hehe [21:48] Davedan2: ... what does web 2.0 have to do with anything? [21:49] "bleeding-edge" is relative [21:49] not with gentoo [21:49] many upstreams do a lot of careful bug-checking before releases -- many do not [21:49] whole gentoo is bleeding edge [21:49] you can't generalize [21:49] giovani: everything moves fast so you can't wait 6 months for a package when a new feature is already out [21:49] it's all dependent on the upstream [21:49] nah, not really [21:50] yep [21:50] for all of our security software (read: snort), we HAVE to have the latest, yesterday bug fix [21:50] version issues between packages are not upstream dependent [21:50] so, we make our own packages [21:50] hehe, how relative is that ? [21:50] making a deb is not difficult at all :D [21:50] rpm the same [21:50] how relative? [21:51] who said it was difficult? [21:51] maybe you're misunderstanding me [21:51] yes, all people that say "we make our own packages" most of the time say this because they think everyone uses debs because they can't install a system [21:51] all people that say? [21:51] you need to learn to stop generalizing [21:51] no reallyu [21:52] not here in general; [21:52] but centos is like it [21:52] gentoo [21:52] uhm [21:52] the users there :) [21:52] in #vmware we don't even support gentoo :) [21:52] bbl.. need to fix an issue === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === scfh_ is now known as scfh [23:00] what's the correct way to change the editor crontab -e uses? [23:00] the default is nano on my Hardy but I would like vi [23:01] man says the $EDITOR or $VISUAL gets used, or if those aren't defined, /usr/bin/editor is used (which is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/editor -> nano) [23:01] cemc: just edit crontab with vi ? [23:01] I could do that, of course. but I would like to try the correct way :) [23:02] with crontab -u -e [23:02] ah ok [23:02] you need to do it for users [23:02] mhh [23:02] I like nano so much :) [23:02] yep. not the main /etc/crontab [23:04] aha, sounds logical [23:05] ok, I've got it [23:05] update-alternatives --config editor [23:05] :) [23:05] ah nice [23:05] and you can select from the available installed editors [23:06] aha :) [23:06] hehe, I'm figuring out how to use amavis using mysql [23:06] :S [23:06] ;) [23:06] maybe you wanna try maia mailguard [23:07] = amavis + spamassasin + mysql + some web gui to manage it [23:08] no, no maia !! [23:08] ouch [23:08] ;) [23:08] webavis is nicer [23:08] but, I can't find any docs how amavis pulls it's info from a db [23:09] amavis already runs [23:09] If you want it system wide then update-alternatives, per user then use the VISUAL/EDITOR env vars [23:09] Of course, you don't need antivirus scanners in the first place unless you have Windows users... [23:10] MatBoy: http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/README.sql.txt - maybe this will help ? [23:10] cemc: that might do :) [23:10] even google didn't came up with that ! [23:10] thanks ! [23:47] when building a software from source using ./configure, make, make install do I need to be root and use sudo ? [23:48] Davedan2: I think you only need to be root when doing 'make install', and only if you're installing somewhere a normal user does not have write access to [23:49] Davedan2: It generally works out better if you learn enough to package stuff for yourself so you can use the packaging system even for self done stuff. [23:49] cemc: is it better to create a package locally instead with sudo checkinstall -D make install [23:49] sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb [23:51] ScottK: how do you package a source? [23:51] That's a whole discipline of it's own. [23:51] !packagingguide [23:51] The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [23:51] Has information on it. [23:52] thanks