[00:11] argh, this review on kblogger is going to take a while. i needs some work :-/ [00:16] ^it [00:17] * seele thinks about going to bed early === NCommander is now known as Guest49220 === Guest49220 is now known as NCommander [00:51] seele: gn8 :). But are you using kblogger successful? [00:55] neversfelde: just reviewing it, so far what i try seems to work ok, it's just not as intuitive and easy as you would hope it would be [00:57] seele: tested it some days ago and it did not work with sy9, so I was interested. I am currenty wainting for bilbo blogger. http://www.ohloh.net/p/bilbo [00:58] mtux the author of choqoK takes part in it, so it will probably be a success :) [02:32] is there an eta for a kubuntu jaunty beta? [02:32] etank: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule [02:34] straight from alpha 6 to RC huh [02:34] etank: march 26th is beta [02:35] vorian: im still on the first part of "Hooked On Phonics" [02:35] ha! [02:35] give me some time and i will get this reading thing down [02:35] You must be from Kentucky [02:35] better than Ohio :P [02:36] except you guys get the awesome OLF [02:36] etank: the important thing is each phase [02:36] Right now we are in a feature freeze [02:36] You can probably both laugh at West Virginia. [02:37] not really, I was raised in Arkansas [02:37] Sheesh. That's tough. [02:37] Dunno though. I've live near both and it's arguable. [02:37] live/lived [02:41] vorian: if im going to try to get on the MOTU ship (i know it takes a while) is it better to start at the beginning of a release? [02:41] ie. start with the Jaunty release [02:42] etank: it's easier to get your work sponsored [02:42] there are exceptions during the freeze, but it requires a bit of paperwork and patience [02:43] Alternatively if you can work on bug fixes, those can be easier to get started with and are prime for getting sponsored in this part of the cycle. [02:43] so what is the best first step to take? [02:44] i am not running kubuntu at this point however [02:44] that is one reason i asked about the releases [02:44] Can you at least set up a VM for testing? [02:44] ScottK: sure [02:44] if alpha 5 is stable enough i would be willing to reinstall with it [02:45] or wait to alpha6 or beta if they would be more stable [02:45] With that you could look at open bugs in Launchpad and patches from other distros in harvest and see if you can package a fix. [02:45] I'd recommend install Intrepid and start with that. [02:45] in on intrepid (w/Gnome) now [02:46] I generally run the stable release and do my dev work in chroots. [02:46] i usually run the devel release, and get yelled at by my wife [02:46] vorian: doesn't she yell at you anyway? [02:47] :P [02:47] not really, only about messing around with the computers [02:47] :D [02:48] http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/ btw has a lot of potential fixes that can be looked into. [02:49] etank: did you work through the recipies yet? [02:49] vorian: the first two [02:49] excellent [02:49] the first one was a little like working with foresight packaging [02:50] when it came to pbuilder at least [02:51] all the {control|rules|etc} files are kinda new for me [02:52] control and rules are the hardest to get down [02:53] then, move on the the finer points of fancy changelogs [02:54] vorian: conrol and rules were the things that threw me off last time i tried to go down the deb packaging path [02:55] that and the pristine tarball part [02:55] didn't ever have to worry about that with conary packages [02:58] rules would be like foresight recipie [03:00] well i know a little about foresight recipes :) [03:13] 'morning everyone [03:13] hi a|wen [03:14] gug a|wen [03:26] maco: you hang out in here? [03:26] cool [03:28] etank: since im using kubuntu jaunty, yeah, that way i can ask about bugs since #ubuntu+1 is mostly gnome people [03:29] maco: is it pretty stable so far? [03:29] i only have it in a vm that i set up on friday at work [03:40] kmail's not :( [03:40] maco: You're using IMAP, right? [03:41] I think nixternal said something about looking into IMAP problems recently. [03:41] KMail is pretty stable as long as you use POP and not IMAP [03:41] Also we know what nixternal has been doing instead of Kubuntu now: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/03/02/loco-directory-moves-forward/ [03:41] ya, i gave up on it because it was horrible...kept crashing [03:42] huh? [03:42] I've only have had one crash with KMail + POP since I started using it back in the Intrepid dev cycle [03:42] what works better with kmail is using offlineimap to grab take care of the imap stuff [03:42] for some reason it was way to bad for me to even work with [03:43] * nixternal cannot wait for kdevelop4 to be completed [03:43] im ScottK yes i am [03:43] haha that didnt wor [03:43] k [03:43] work [03:43] I recall more than one "This is the release that will make IMAP not suck on Kmail" release. [03:44] jeez i cant type! [03:44] well deleting mail over IMAP, usually when doing >1 mail at a time...that often crashes it [03:44] well kmail works great with a real imap server, but it blows with gmail and 14 million emails [03:44] and i cant set my encryption key, so for "send encrypted and keep an encrypted-to-me copy" i need to use evolution [03:45] (read "cant" as "kmail crashes when i try") [03:45] and NO im not using seahorse agent [03:46] so you can stop right there, ScottK [03:46] Well I think it's haunting your system or something. [03:46] i uninstalled it [03:46] so :P [03:47] ScottK: is there a big difference between imap in jaunty and intrepid? [03:47] * ScottK doesn't use IMAP. [03:47] Dunn. [03:47] intrepid + kde4.2 that is [03:47] Dunno even [03:47] I'd imagine not. [03:48] my experience is that IMAP sucks ... but changing to disconnected IMAP does not [03:48] what does disconnected IMAP mean? [03:49] maco: when it doesn't do anything it will disconnect from the server [03:49] it is meant for laptops etc. with non-permanent connection [03:49] will it store the messages locally like pop but then push changes to the server? [03:50] or does it act like normal imap but doesnt freak out when the network drops? [03:50] vorian: It looks like somewhere along the lines we lost the kmail recommending gpgsm (needed for S/MIME signing/verifying mail). [03:50] it seems to store more locally ... but i'm not sure if it stores all of it [03:50] nixternal: are you using kmail will offlineimap then? [03:51] ScottK: I'll fix that right now [03:51] i have only used offlineimap with mutt [03:51] vorian: Thanks. [03:51] I did, but I am to use to Mutt again...I dont' want to move away from the best email client in the world :) [03:51] * ScottK suspect's nixternal secret love is Outlook Express on Vista. [03:52] mutt runs on my server in my bedroom. i just use gmail / thunderbird for when there is an attachement [03:52] downloading then scp'ing the file is just one step too many [03:52] ScottK: Windows 7!!! [03:52] I gave up on Vista months ago [03:52] Right. Forgot you'd moved one. [03:52] windows 7 really isnt too bad [03:52] I don't even use gmail for attachments [03:52] not in my tests at least [03:53] still dont want to use it though [03:53] ScottK: gpgsm is in universe, so it will have to be a suggests [03:53] I run a script that will ssh to my server and also setup an sshfs link to my downloads dir on the server, so I can still work normally [03:53] one/on [03:54] kmail is actually an amazingly good email agent ... as long as you stay out of protocol trouble [03:55] upcoming class... back later [03:57] Kmail has been my primary mail client since 2005. [03:57] maco: What option is it you need for encrypted mail you don't have? [03:57] ScottK: oh not a missing option. a crashing option. [03:57] Ah. [03:58] in order to store an encrypted-to-self mail when sending encrypted mail, you need to set your gpg key [03:58] kmail crashes when i try [03:58] * vorian has no trouble with either IMAP or gpg [04:05] not crash on send [04:05] crash on trying to set what key to use [04:05] it hits an assert and aborts [04:06] * nixternal beds [04:06] g'nite [04:07] Odd. No trouble setting it here. [04:07] * maco grumbles [04:09] nope, still cant do it [04:09] do you have to click "start certificate manager" before you click OK? [04:12] I'm unsetting it and trying again. [04:13] There's an option for start certificate manager, but I don't click on it. [04:13] I just click OK. [04:13] and it doesnt crash? [04:13] :( [04:14] before you choose your key from the "list" (which in my case has only one key), does it have a yellow "?" on top of the key icon? [04:14] and then after you choose it the yellow "?" becomes a green checkmark? [04:14] Nope. [04:15] hrm...so that yellow question mark maybe has something to do with it [04:15] oh..the "reread keys" button crashes it too [04:17] I was 'nope' in the it doesn't crash. [04:17] I'm a little laggy at times tonight. [04:17] * ScottK checks [04:19] Yellow question mark until I click on it. [04:19] ok [04:19] The yellow question mark mean it hasn't checked to see if GPG trusts the key. [04:19] ok === DreadKnight is now known as DeadNight === DeadNight is now known as DreadKnight [09:37] morning [10:32] moin! [10:33] moin danimo [10:33] Riddell: ping? [10:45] hi danimo [10:46] Riddell: hi, got anyone (or yourself) interested in doing Creator packages? [10:48] danimo: yes we would, but I saw dirk's comments when he tried to package it and now I'm scared [10:48] Riddell: ok, that's why I am here [10:49] Riddell: we tried or best to make creator to conform to standards. if we messed up (and I know we did at least a bit for 64 bit targets, but not too bad), please tell us [10:50] Riddell: where did he make these comments? [10:53] danimo: where's the source code? http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/qt-creator/qt-creator#qt-creator-open-source has only repository, binaries and snapshots [10:53] danimo: he made them in an irc channel [10:53] Riddell: the idea is to get it from git [10:54] Riddell: we have a 1.0.0 branch there [10:54] Riddell: http://labs.trolltech.com/gitweb?p=qt-creator;a=summary [10:54] but no stable tar, this isn't a good start to being packager friendly [10:55] Riddell: if it helps, I can arrange that. I was under the impression that it doesn't matter, but I can get you a tar package [10:55] I'm afraid I've no idea how to checkout from git [10:59] Riddell: try http://labs.trolltech.com/gitweb?p=qt-creator;a=snapshot;h=c0f2f81c6817a6a1639d27d15b8b58f64b848e5e;sf=tgz [10:59] Riddell: git clone $nameofthebranch iirc [10:59] Riddell: this is 99.9% what we are going to release and it get be caught with wget [11:00] Riddell: 99.% because we are still testing [11:00] Riddell: this is also why we did not consider doing packages manually [11:00] source packages anyway. git makes it very very convinient [11:01] qt-creator-c0f2f81c6817a6a1639d27d15b8b58f64b848e5e and I thought our version numbers were long [11:01] Riddell: git uses sha-1 sums to identify commits [11:01] Riddell: this one means "state of the branch after commit " [11:02] * smarter don't get why it doesn't use an incrementing number for revision [11:02] *doesn't [11:03] smarter: because as I said, it's not a revision, but a commit [11:03] smarter: it takes a while to free oneself from svn/p4 thinking, but it's worth it [11:03] smarter: the sha1 sum is created from diff+comment [11:04] smarter: so you can always tell if two commits are the same [11:04] interesting [11:04] useful, but not as useful has having version numbers. bzr win [11:04] goodness I sound grumpy today [11:04] Riddell: indeed :) [11:04] Riddell: hehe :p [11:05] Riddell: probably you can also fetch it with a branch name, I don't know if getweb supports that, though [11:05] is there any good doc somewhere on how to use git with kde svn without screwing it up? :p [11:06] smarter: plus if you fetch from a version number (e.g. branch or tag), you never know which version you actually have, because upstream might have sneaked in some patches [11:07] to be fair, I don't know bzr well enough to tell if they have an even better concept [11:07] Is git faster than svn to retrieve the commit log? (especially on big repos like kde) [11:07] if yes, I'm sold :] [11:14] smarter: it's distributed revision control so you have the history on your machine so it'll be faster due to no network connection [11:14] cool [11:17] smarter: it is [11:17] still compiling.. [11:17] smarter: someone even maintains a git import of kde using git-svn [11:17] Riddell: what? Creator? [11:17] Riddell: mind that it needs to compile against 4.5 [11:17] danimo: it's publicly available? [11:18] smarter: I would think so [11:18] if not, [12:05:22] is there any good doc somewhere on how to use git with kde svn without screwing it up? :p [11:18] smarter: otherwise, have a look at http://repo.or.cz/w/svn-all-fast-export.git [11:19] thanks [11:19] can it exports a part only a part of the svn? [11:19] smarter: no idea [11:20] I'll look into it, hopefully I won't DoS svn.kde.org :} [11:20] smarter: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Git [11:20] oh, cool, missed that [11:20] thanks [11:37] jings this thing takes ages to compile [11:43] danimo: it install to /lib/qtcreator/ [11:44] danimo: so, fancy changing qt to use cmake? [11:44] Riddell: make INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr install [11:44] Riddell: not gonna happen any time soon [11:44] Riddell: mostly because we do not support cmake properly in 1.0 [11:45] Riddell: should be better for 1.1, and maybe we can introduce it by then or with 1.2 [11:45] Riddell: but cmake isn't 100% golden either [11:48] QTDIR=/usr sudo make INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr install [11:48] still installs to /lib [11:49] dir [11:49] ah, INSTALL_ROOT [11:54] Riddell: right, sorry === davidbarth is now known as davidb4 === davidb4 is now known as davidbarth [12:02] Riddell: does it work now? [12:03] * danimo heads out for lunch [12:03] danimo: seems to yes [12:32] Riddell: did you talk to Artemis_Fowl? [12:34] seele: no sorry, still on my todo list [12:40] rgreening: pong [13:14] danimo: there's no .desktop file [13:15] Riddell: damn, we forgot to move it over to the package dir I'm afraid :( [13:17] danimo: got a copy of it? [13:18] Riddell: sure, sec [13:20] riddell http://qtcreator.pastebin.com/m38c6df9c [13:24] danimo: and are there files to register those mimetypes? [13:25] Riddell: http://qtcreator.pastebin.com/m7371db50 [13:26] danimo: what should that file be called, and where should it go? [13:27] Ha [13:27] JontheEchidna: ha? [13:27] Apparently gtk-qt-engine and QGtkStyle wrestle for control until the program crashes [13:27] Ramblurr: Nokia-QtCreator.xml, and we use xdg-mime install $MODE Nokia-QtCreator.xml [13:28] where $MODE is defined as ( [13:28] MODE='--mode user' [13:28] [ "$USER" = 'root' ] && MODE='--mode system' [13:28] ) in a shell script [13:28] err, Riddell [13:29] JontheEchidna: yepp, what did you expect? :) [13:29] The Qt Software dudes said it probably wouldn't be a problem ;P [13:30] seele: hey [13:31] JontheEchidna: humbug [13:31] Riddell: want to provide some feedback to my motu app? [13:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rgreening/DeveloperApplicationMOTU [13:32] any thoughts on what related to lockd would not creating locks on an nfs server would survive the nfs server being rebooted? [13:41] rgreening: pong [13:46] rgreening: yes I do, poke me until I get round to it [13:49] Riddell: lol [13:50] seele: same for you... poke poke... some comments :) [13:50] and I know JontheEchidnawants to as well [13:51] btw, thanks ScottK for commenting [13:53] danimo: make clean rule is woefully inadequate, as usual for qmake [13:53] Riddell: how so? [13:54] rgreening: i dont know anything about your packaging activity though [13:54] danimo: leaves lots of files in /bin/ and /lib/ [13:54] seele: there's a comments section for general comments :) [13:55] I need you seele of approval [13:55] Riddell: well, I have to admit that I didn't really take care all that much [14:00] heh [14:04] has everyone who needs to applied to UDS? applications are due wednesday. [14:10] rgreening: feedback'd [14:11] seele: erk, really? [14:13] Riddell: really that the applications are due in two days? yes [14:16] erk [14:18] you probably should poke ScottK and Nightrose to be sure they applied :P [14:19] * Nightrose didn't apply [14:20] Nightrose: by accident or on purpose? [14:21] so far on purpose ;-) think there are other people who are more worth sponsoring [14:22] and i havn't checked the date yet [14:23] hum, ScottK is the only one who intended to apply [14:23] maybe nixternal too but he's been afk lately [14:24] ty JontheEchidna [14:24] yw [14:24] seele: im applied [14:24] rgreening: ok good, we got two then [14:26] well considering it's barcelona, and I actually know some spanish and portuguese, Im really pumped to go :) [14:29] and JontheEchidna: yep. Ive learned my lesson haha :P [14:29] 6 mo really flies. [14:29] lol, yeah it does [14:30] and it's not even 6 mo to dev [14:30] so, naivetiy gave way to fot-in-mouth disease [14:30] s/fot/foot/ [14:30] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=5318 revu needed [14:37] ScottK: ping [14:47] anyone here using a nfs homedir running jaunty? [15:10] rgreening: was there something regarding kpackagekit you were waiting for from me? [15:16] Riddell: want to give some feedback on my motu app.? just when you have the time: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AndreasWenning/DeveloperApplicationTemplate [15:18] a|wen: did you apply to uds? [15:19] seele: it's just in the end of may, right? [15:19] yes [15:19] but applications are due wednesday [15:21] * a|wen is relocating from thailand to denmark on the first of june ... so suspects to be a bit too much hung up [15:21] ah [15:21] Riddell: i got a ripped empty envelope from merchandise mania :( [15:22] seaLne: for your stickers? how annoying [15:22] seaLne: take a photo and we can complain to marketing [15:22] the address was also a mixture of yours and mine [15:23] ? [15:27] seele: but i'll make up for it at the next UDS instead... [15:28] seele: I dont think so. I have re-written the bulk of my original patch against kpackagekit 0.4. Now I need to finish it. xdg-menu stuff, etc... [15:28] JontheEchidna: ping [15:29] rgreening: what did the kpackagekit maintainer think of your patch, or has he not seen it yet [15:29] Riddell: your 38 (1F2)... line of address was in between my name and my address [15:30] no one outside kubuntu has seen anything yet. [15:30] seele: ^ [15:31] it's a work in progress., so... and will need lots of love in order to be properly integrated in the upstream package (i.e to make sure it's distro agnostic). [15:32] I did intend to apply. I'll do so today. [15:32] This entire notifications discussions has me torn between throwing up my hands and giving up (no point in going) or wanting to go even more. [15:34] ScottK: even the better reason to be sure you go. [15:35] rgreening: is tonio's ppa the latest? [15:35] seele: Some of what they are proposing is just so obviously wrong and yet they don't listen to any outside voice. Is there a point? [15:36] if no one goes to UDS then it's hard to counter their points [15:36] ScottK: hopefully I'll get my sponsorship approved and be there to help you out :) heheh [15:36] ScottK: worst case no-one at uds speaks up and they think it is ok the way it is :/ [15:36] seele: yes, unless you mean does it have my unfinished patch... then no. [15:37] rgreening: ok [15:37] Nightrose: I've yet to see any evidence telling them it's not OK would cause them to believe they have a problem. [15:37] meh [15:37] ScottK and rgreening: be there and raise the voice... you no that you have a lot of people/developers behind you [15:37] ScottK: face to face meetings tend to go better. [15:38] if no one goes then there isn't anyone there to discuss these things [15:38] * Nightrose ponders [15:38] seele: you going? [15:38] when is it again? [15:38] Nightrose: last week in may [15:38] last week may Nightrose [15:38] * Nightrose looks [15:38] rgreening: it's complicated, that's why i'm trying to make sure that other people are going [15:39] oh... ok. well, as long as I get approved, im there. in a heatbeat. [15:39] hmmmm [15:40] i could probably go but june is hell already for me [15:40] plus I get to meet ScottK :P [15:40] linuxtag and akademy and my brothers' prom night [15:40] Riddell: ping [15:40] Nightrose: are you going to the amarok spring at the beginning of may too? [15:41] jep [15:41] I'd rarely be at home for 2 months :P [15:41] hi rickspencer3 [15:41] Riddell: http://selkie.duffus.org/~kd/envelope/ my empty sticker envelope [15:47] Nightrose: did you get stickers? just wondering what was in the envelope [15:48] seaLne: jep - there were 50 sticker papers inside [15:48] each with 8 or so different kubuntu stickers [15:49] correction [15:49] 13 on each paper [15:49] a4 sheets? [15:49] nope [15:49] smaller [15:49] a5? [15:50] 12cm x 12cm [15:50] ah ok that could possibly have come out the rip [15:51] a5 or folded a4 wouldn't have which was why i was wondering [15:52] :( [15:57] Riddell: yeah, turning off desktop effects did the job [15:59] Nightrose: btw akademy isn't june its july re your earlier comment [16:01] seaLne: ye i know - but right after linuxtag at the end of june [16:01] and before that i have to travel home for my brothers' prom night [16:01] busy busy ;-) [16:02] and the amarok dev sprint at the beginning of may [16:02] k, just wanted to check you ment lots of things around that time and not that you had the date wrong [16:02] ;-) thx [16:03] so: if you need more KDE support at UDS poke me but if it is not really needed I think I should give the spot to someone else [16:03] anyone know if Tonio applied? [16:03] or if his company will send him again? [16:04] yuriy: ping [16:04] Nightrose: my concern is that i dont know if enough of the right people have applied and will be there [16:04] *nod* [16:04] 2 more days to find out right? [16:04] yes [16:04] ok [16:05] anyone using PackageKit from ppa? [16:06] seele: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_DED btw [16:07] JontheEchidna: [16:07] ing [16:07] ++p [16:07] DaSkreech: ong [16:07] ++p [16:07] :P [16:07] :D [16:07] Nightrose: interesting, but i don't want to move to london. [16:08] hehe ok [16:08] JontheEchidna: Was just letting you know that you may have incoming on the GG support for 4.2 [16:08] Oh, yeah... [16:08] * JontheEchidna sigheth [16:09] :-) [16:09] That's why the heads up ;-) [16:09] What needs to be done for that? [16:10] vicously separate the google gears plugin into its own tarball and make a new package [16:10] and still not be able to install it by default I'm afraid [16:11] Well a) I don't think that many people know or care about it [16:11] b) If someone wants it they can get it [16:11] I think is the arguement [16:16]