[00:11] <seele> argh, this review on kblogger is going to take a while. i needs some work :-/
[00:16] <seele> ^it
[00:17]  * seele thinks about going to bed early
[00:51] <neversfelde> seele: gn8 :). But are you using kblogger successful?
[00:55] <seele> neversfelde: just reviewing it, so far what i try seems to work ok, it's just not as intuitive and easy as you would hope it would be
[00:57] <neversfelde> seele: tested it some days ago and it did not work with sy9, so I was interested. I am currenty wainting for bilbo blogger. http://www.ohloh.net/p/bilbo
[00:58] <neversfelde> mtux the author of choqoK takes part in it, so it will probably be a success :)
[02:32] <etank> is there an eta for a kubuntu jaunty beta?
[02:32] <vorian> etank: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[02:34] <etank> straight from alpha 6 to RC huh
[02:34] <vorian> etank: march 26th is beta
[02:35] <etank> vorian: im still on the first part of "Hooked On Phonics"
[02:35] <vorian> ha!
[02:35] <etank> give me some time and i will get this reading thing down
[02:35] <vorian> You must be from Kentucky
[02:35] <etank> better than Ohio :P
[02:36] <etank> except you guys get the awesome OLF
[02:36] <vorian> etank: the important thing is each phase
[02:36] <vorian> Right now we are in a feature freeze
[02:36] <ScottK> You can probably both laugh at West Virginia.
[02:37] <vorian> not really, I was raised in Arkansas
[02:37] <ScottK> Sheesh.  That's tough.
[02:37] <ScottK> Dunno though.  I've live near both and it's arguable.
[02:37] <ScottK> live/lived
[02:41] <etank> vorian: if im going to try to get on the MOTU ship (i know it takes a while) is it better to start at the beginning of a release?
[02:41] <etank> ie. start with the Jaunty release
[02:42] <vorian> etank: it's easier to get your work sponsored
[02:42] <vorian> there are exceptions during the freeze, but it requires a bit of paperwork and patience
[02:43] <ScottK> Alternatively if you can work on bug fixes, those can be easier to get started with and are prime for getting sponsored in this part of the cycle.
[02:43] <etank> so what is the best first step to take?
[02:44] <etank> i am not running kubuntu at this point however
[02:44] <etank> that is one reason i asked about the releases
[02:44] <ScottK> Can you at least set up a VM for testing?
[02:44] <etank> ScottK: sure
[02:44] <etank> if alpha 5 is stable enough i would be willing to reinstall with it
[02:45] <etank> or wait to alpha6 or beta if they would be more stable
[02:45] <ScottK> With that you could look at open bugs in Launchpad and patches from other distros in harvest and see if you can package a fix.
[02:45] <ScottK> I'd recommend install Intrepid and start with that.
[02:45] <etank> in on intrepid (w/Gnome) now
[02:46] <ScottK> I generally run the stable release and do my dev work in chroots.
[02:46] <vorian> i usually run the devel release, and get yelled at by my wife
[02:46] <etank> vorian: doesn't she yell at you anyway?
[02:47] <etank> :P
[02:47] <vorian> not really, only about messing around with the computers
[02:47] <vorian> :D
[02:48] <ScottK> http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/ btw has a lot of potential fixes that can be looked into.
[02:49] <vorian> etank: did you work through the recipies yet?
[02:49] <etank> vorian: the first two
[02:49] <vorian> excellent
[02:49] <etank> the first one was a little like working with foresight packaging
[02:50] <etank> when it came to pbuilder at least
[02:51] <etank> all the {control|rules|etc} files are kinda new for me
[02:52] <vorian> control and rules are the hardest to get down
[02:53] <vorian> then, move on the the finer points of fancy changelogs
[02:54] <etank> vorian: conrol and rules were the things that threw me off last time i tried to go down the deb packaging path
[02:55] <etank> that and the pristine tarball part
[02:55] <etank> didn't ever have to worry about that with conary packages
[02:58] <vorian> rules would be like foresight recipie
[03:00] <etank> well i know a little about foresight recipes :)
[03:13] <a|wen> 'morning everyone
[03:13] <vorian> hi a|wen
[03:14] <etank> gug a|wen
[03:26] <etank> maco: you hang out in here?
[03:26] <etank> cool
[03:28] <maco> etank:  since im using kubuntu jaunty, yeah, that way i can ask about bugs since #ubuntu+1 is mostly gnome people
[03:29] <etank> maco: is it pretty stable so far?
[03:29] <etank> i only have it in a vm that i set up on friday at work
[03:40] <maco> kmail's not :(
[03:40] <ScottK> maco: You're using IMAP, right?
[03:41] <ScottK> I think nixternal said something about looking into IMAP problems recently.
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> KMail is pretty stable as long as you use POP and not IMAP
[03:41] <ScottK> Also we know what nixternal has been doing instead of Kubuntu now: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/03/02/loco-directory-moves-forward/
[03:41] <nixternal> ya, i gave up on it because it was horrible...kept crashing
[03:42] <nixternal> huh?
[03:42] <JontheEchidna> I've only have had one crash with KMail + POP since I started using it back in the Intrepid dev cycle
[03:42] <nixternal> what works better with kmail is using offlineimap to grab take care of the imap stuff
[03:42] <nixternal> for some reason it was way to bad for me to even work with
[03:43]  * nixternal cannot wait for kdevelop4 to be completed
[03:43] <maco> im ScottK yes i am
[03:43] <maco> haha that didnt wor
[03:43] <maco> k
[03:43] <maco> work
[03:43] <ScottK> I recall more than one "This is the release that will make IMAP not suck on Kmail" release.
[03:44] <maco> jeez i cant type!
[03:44] <maco> well deleting mail over IMAP, usually when doing >1 mail at a time...that often crashes it
[03:44] <nixternal> well kmail works great with a real imap server, but it blows with gmail and 14 million emails
[03:44] <maco> and i cant set my encryption key, so for "send encrypted and keep an encrypted-to-me copy" i need to use evolution
[03:45] <maco> (read "cant" as "kmail crashes when i try")
[03:45] <maco> and NO im not using seahorse agent
[03:46] <maco> so you can stop right there, ScottK
[03:46] <ScottK> Well I think it's haunting your system or something.
[03:46] <maco> i uninstalled it
[03:46] <maco> so :P
[03:47] <a|wen> ScottK: is there a big difference between imap in jaunty and intrepid?
[03:47]  * ScottK doesn't use IMAP.
[03:47] <ScottK> Dunn.
[03:47] <a|wen> intrepid + kde4.2 that is
[03:47] <ScottK> Dunno even
[03:47] <ScottK> I'd imagine not.
[03:48] <a|wen> my experience is that IMAP sucks ... but changing to disconnected IMAP does not
[03:48] <maco> what does disconnected IMAP mean?
[03:49] <a|wen> maco: when it doesn't do anything it will disconnect from the server
[03:49] <a|wen> it is meant for laptops etc. with non-permanent connection
[03:49] <maco> will it store the messages locally like pop but then push changes to the server?
[03:50] <maco> or does it act like normal imap but doesnt freak out when the network drops?
[03:50] <ScottK> vorian: It looks like somewhere along the lines we lost the kmail recommending gpgsm (needed for S/MIME signing/verifying mail).
[03:50] <a|wen> it seems to store more locally ... but i'm not sure if it stores all of it
[03:50] <etank> nixternal: are you using kmail will offlineimap then?
[03:51] <vorian> ScottK: I'll fix that right now
[03:51] <etank> i have only used offlineimap with mutt
[03:51] <ScottK> vorian: Thanks.
[03:51] <nixternal> I did, but I am to use to Mutt again...I dont' want to move away from the best email client in the world :)
[03:51]  * ScottK suspect's nixternal secret love is Outlook Express on Vista.
[03:52] <etank> mutt runs on my server in my bedroom. i just use gmail / thunderbird for when there is an attachement
[03:52] <etank> downloading then scp'ing the file is just one step too many
[03:52] <nixternal> ScottK: Windows 7!!!
[03:52] <nixternal> I gave up on Vista months ago
[03:52] <ScottK> Right.  Forgot you'd moved one.
[03:52] <etank> windows 7 really isnt too bad
[03:52] <nixternal> I don't even use gmail for attachments
[03:52] <etank> not in my tests at least
[03:53] <etank> still dont want to use it though
[03:53] <vorian> ScottK: gpgsm is in universe, so it will have to be a suggests
[03:53] <nixternal> I run a script that will ssh to my server and also setup an sshfs link to my downloads dir on the server, so I can still work normally
[03:53] <ScottK> one/on
[03:54] <a|wen> kmail is actually an amazingly good email agent ... as long as you stay out of protocol trouble
[03:55] <a|wen> upcoming class... back later
[03:57] <ScottK> Kmail has been my primary mail client since 2005.
[03:57] <ScottK> maco: What option is it you need for encrypted mail you don't have?
[03:57] <maco> ScottK: oh not a missing option. a crashing option.
[03:57] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:58] <maco> in order to store an encrypted-to-self mail when sending encrypted mail, you need to set your gpg key
[03:58] <maco> kmail crashes when i try
[03:58]  * vorian has no trouble with either IMAP or gpg
[04:05] <maco> not crash on send
[04:05] <maco> crash on trying to set what key to use
[04:05] <maco> it hits an assert and aborts
[04:06]  * nixternal beds
[04:06] <nixternal> g'nite
[04:07] <ScottK> Odd.  No trouble setting it here.
[04:07]  * maco grumbles
[04:09] <maco> nope, still cant do it
[04:09] <maco> do you have to click "start certificate manager" before you click OK?
[04:12] <ScottK> I'm unsetting it and trying again.
[04:13] <ScottK> There's an option for start certificate manager, but I don't click on it.
[04:13] <ScottK> I just click OK.
[04:13] <maco> and it doesnt crash?
[04:13] <maco> :(
[04:14] <maco> before you choose your key from the "list" (which in my case has only one key), does it have a yellow "?" on top of the key icon?
[04:14] <maco> and then after you choose it the yellow "?" becomes a green checkmark?
[04:14] <ScottK> Nope.
[04:15] <maco> hrm...so that yellow question mark maybe has something to do with it
[04:15] <maco> oh..the "reread keys" button crashes it too
[04:17] <ScottK> I was 'nope' in the it doesn't crash.
[04:17] <ScottK> I'm a little laggy at times tonight.
[04:17]  * ScottK checks 
[04:19] <ScottK> Yellow question mark until I click on it.
[04:19] <maco> ok
[04:19] <ScottK> The yellow question mark mean it hasn't checked to see if GPG trusts the key.
[04:19] <maco> ok
[09:37] <doc___> morning
[10:32] <danimo> moin!
[10:33] <a|wen> moin danimo
[10:33] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[10:45] <Riddell> hi danimo
[10:46] <danimo> Riddell: hi, got anyone (or yourself) interested in doing Creator packages?
[10:48] <Riddell> danimo: yes we would, but I saw dirk's comments when he tried to package it and now I'm scared
[10:48] <danimo> Riddell: ok, that's why I am here
[10:49] <danimo> Riddell: we tried or best to make creator to conform to standards. if we messed up (and I know we did at least a bit for 64 bit targets, but not too bad), please tell us
[10:50] <danimo> Riddell: where did he make these comments?
[10:53] <Riddell> danimo: where's the source code?  http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/qt-creator/qt-creator#qt-creator-open-source has only repository, binaries and snapshots
[10:53] <Riddell> danimo: he made them in an irc channel
[10:53] <danimo> Riddell: the idea is to get it from git
[10:54] <danimo> Riddell: we have a 1.0.0 branch there
[10:54] <danimo> Riddell: http://labs.trolltech.com/gitweb?p=qt-creator;a=summary
[10:54] <Riddell> but no stable tar, this isn't a good start to being packager friendly
[10:55] <danimo> Riddell: if it helps, I can arrange that. I was under the impression that it doesn't matter, but I can get you a tar package
[10:55] <Riddell> I'm afraid I've no idea how to checkout from git
[10:59] <danimo> Riddell: try http://labs.trolltech.com/gitweb?p=qt-creator;a=snapshot;h=c0f2f81c6817a6a1639d27d15b8b58f64b848e5e;sf=tgz
[10:59] <smarter> Riddell: git clone $nameofthebranch iirc
[10:59] <danimo> Riddell: this is 99.9% what we are going to release and it get be caught with wget
[11:00] <danimo> Riddell: 99.% because we are still testing
[11:00] <danimo> Riddell: this is also why we did not consider doing packages manually
[11:00] <danimo> source packages anyway. git makes it very very convinient
[11:01] <Riddell> qt-creator-c0f2f81c6817a6a1639d27d15b8b58f64b848e5e  and I thought our version numbers were long
[11:01] <danimo> Riddell: git uses sha-1 sums to identify commits
[11:01] <danimo> Riddell: this one means "state of the branch after commit <shasum>"
[11:02]  * smarter don't get why it doesn't use an incrementing number for revision
[11:02] <smarter> *doesn't
[11:03] <danimo> smarter: because as I said, it's not a revision, but a commit
[11:03] <danimo> smarter: it takes a while to free oneself from svn/p4 thinking, but it's worth it
[11:03] <danimo> smarter: the sha1 sum is created from diff+comment
[11:04] <danimo> smarter: so you can always tell if two commits are the same
[11:04] <smarter> interesting
[11:04] <Riddell> useful, but not as useful has having version numbers.  bzr win
[11:04] <Riddell> goodness I sound grumpy today
[11:04] <danimo> Riddell: indeed :)
[11:04] <smarter> Riddell: hehe :p
[11:05] <danimo> Riddell: probably you can also fetch it with a branch name, I don't know if getweb supports that, though
[11:05] <smarter> is there any good doc somewhere on how to use git with kde svn without screwing it up? :p
[11:06] <danimo> smarter: plus if you fetch from a version number (e.g. branch or tag), you never know which version you actually have, because upstream might have sneaked in some patches
[11:07] <danimo> to be fair, I don't know bzr well enough to tell if they have an even better concept
[11:07] <smarter> Is git faster than svn to retrieve the commit log? (especially on big repos like kde)
[11:07] <smarter> if yes, I'm sold :]
[11:14] <Riddell> smarter: it's distributed revision control so you have the history on your machine so it'll be faster due to no network connection
[11:14] <smarter> cool
[11:17] <danimo> smarter: it is
[11:17] <Riddell> still compiling..
[11:17] <danimo> smarter: someone even maintains a git import of kde using git-svn
[11:17] <danimo> Riddell: what? Creator?
[11:17] <danimo> Riddell: mind that it needs to compile against 4.5
[11:17] <smarter> danimo: it's publicly available?
[11:18] <danimo> smarter: I would think so
[11:18] <smarter> if not, [12:05:22] <smarter> is there any good doc somewhere on how to use git with kde svn without screwing it up? :p
[11:18] <danimo> smarter: otherwise, have a look at http://repo.or.cz/w/svn-all-fast-export.git
[11:19] <smarter> thanks
[11:19] <smarter> can it exports a part only a part of the svn?
[11:19] <danimo> smarter: no idea
[11:20] <smarter> I'll look into it, hopefully I won't DoS svn.kde.org :}
[11:20] <danimo> smarter: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Git
[11:20] <smarter> oh, cool, missed that
[11:20] <smarter> thanks
[11:37] <Riddell> jings this thing takes ages to compile
[11:43] <Riddell> danimo: it install to /lib/qtcreator/
[11:44] <Riddell> danimo: so, fancy changing qt to use cmake?
[11:44] <danimo> Riddell: make INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr install
[11:44] <danimo> Riddell: not gonna happen any time soon
[11:44] <danimo> Riddell: mostly because we do not support cmake properly in 1.0
[11:45] <danimo> Riddell: should be better for 1.1, and maybe we can introduce it by then or with 1.2
[11:45] <danimo> Riddell: but cmake isn't 100% golden either
[11:48] <Riddell> QTDIR=/usr  sudo make INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr install
[11:48] <Riddell> still installs to /lib
[11:49] <danimo> dir
[11:49] <Riddell> ah, INSTALL_ROOT
[11:54] <danimo> Riddell: right, sorry
[12:02] <danimo> Riddell: does it work now?
[12:03]  * danimo heads out for lunch
[12:03] <Riddell> danimo: seems to yes
[12:32] <seele> Riddell: did you talk to Artemis_Fowl?
[12:34] <Riddell> seele: no sorry, still on my todo list
[12:40] <seele> rgreening: pong
[13:14] <Riddell> danimo: there's no .desktop file
[13:15] <danimo> Riddell: damn, we forgot to move it over to the package dir I'm afraid :(
[13:17] <Riddell> danimo: got a copy of it?
[13:18] <danimo> Riddell: sure, sec
[13:20] <danimo> riddell http://qtcreator.pastebin.com/m38c6df9c
[13:24] <Riddell> danimo: and are there files to register those mimetypes?
[13:25] <danimo> Riddell: http://qtcreator.pastebin.com/m7371db50
[13:26] <Riddell> danimo: what should that file be called, and where should it go?
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> Ha
[13:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ha?
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> Apparently gtk-qt-engine and QGtkStyle wrestle for control until the program crashes
[13:27] <danimo> Ramblurr: Nokia-QtCreator.xml, and we use xdg-mime install $MODE Nokia-QtCreator.xml
[13:28] <danimo> where $MODE is  defined as (
[13:28] <danimo> MODE='--mode user'
[13:28] <danimo> [ "$USER" = 'root' ] && MODE='--mode system'
[13:28] <danimo> ) in a shell script
[13:28] <danimo> err, Riddell
[13:29] <danimo> JontheEchidna: yepp, what did you expect? :)
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> The Qt Software dudes said it probably wouldn't be a problem ;P
[13:30] <rgreening> seele: hey
[13:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: humbug
[13:31] <rgreening> Riddell: want to provide some feedback to my motu app?
[13:32] <rgreening> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rgreening/DeveloperApplicationMOTU
[13:32] <seaLne> any thoughts on what related to lockd would not creating locks on an nfs server would survive the nfs server being rebooted?
[13:41] <seele> rgreening: pong
[13:46] <Riddell> rgreening: yes I do, poke me until I get round to it
[13:49] <rgreening> Riddell: lol
[13:50] <rgreening> seele: same for you... poke poke... some comments  :)
[13:50] <rgreening> and I know JontheEchidnawants to as well
[13:51] <rgreening> btw, thanks ScottK for commenting
[13:53] <Riddell> danimo: make clean rule is woefully inadequate, as usual for qmake
[13:53] <danimo> Riddell: how so?
[13:54] <seele> rgreening: i dont know anything about your packaging activity though
[13:54] <Riddell> danimo: leaves lots of files in <src>/bin/ and <src>/lib/
[13:54] <rgreening> seele: there's a comments section for general comments :)
[13:55] <rgreening> I need you seele of approval
[13:55] <danimo> Riddell: well, I have to admit that I didn't really take care all that much
[14:00] <seele> heh
[14:04] <seele> has everyone who needs to applied to UDS? applications are due wednesday.
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: feedback'd
[14:11] <Riddell> seele: erk, really?
[14:13] <seele> Riddell: really that the applications are due in two days? yes
[14:16] <Riddell> erk
[14:18] <seele> you probably should poke ScottK and Nightrose to be sure they applied :P
[14:19]  * Nightrose didn't apply
[14:20] <seele> Nightrose: by accident or on purpose?
[14:21] <Nightrose> so far on purpose ;-)  think there are other people who are more worth sponsoring
[14:22] <Nightrose> and i havn't checked the date yet
[14:23] <seele> hum, ScottK is the only one who intended to apply
[14:23] <seele> maybe nixternal too but he's been afk lately
[14:24] <rgreening> ty JontheEchidna
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> yw
[14:24] <rgreening> seele: im applied
[14:24] <seele> rgreening: ok good, we got two then
[14:26] <rgreening> well considering it's barcelona, and I actually know some spanish and portuguese, Im really pumped to go :)
[14:29] <rgreening> and JontheEchidna: yep. Ive learned my lesson haha :P
[14:29] <rgreening> 6 mo really flies.
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> lol, yeah it does
[14:30] <rgreening> and it's not even 6 mo to dev
[14:30] <rgreening> so, naivetiy gave way to fot-in-mouth disease
[14:30] <rgreening> s/fot/foot/
[14:30] <Riddell> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=5318  revu needed
[14:37] <seele> ScottK: ping
[14:47] <seaLne> anyone here using a nfs homedir running jaunty?
[15:10] <seele> rgreening: was there something regarding kpackagekit you were waiting for from me?
[15:16] <a|wen> Riddell: want to give some feedback on my motu app.? just when you have the time: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AndreasWenning/DeveloperApplicationTemplate
[15:18] <seele> a|wen: did you apply to uds?
[15:19] <a|wen> seele: it's just in the end of may, right?
[15:19] <seele> yes
[15:19] <seele> but applications are due wednesday
[15:21]  * a|wen is relocating from thailand to denmark on the first of june ... so suspects to be a bit too much hung up
[15:21] <seele> ah
[15:21] <seaLne> Riddell: i got a ripped empty envelope from merchandise mania :(
[15:22] <Riddell> seaLne: for your stickers?  how annoying
[15:22] <Riddell> seaLne: take a photo and we can complain to marketing
[15:22] <seaLne> the address was also a mixture of yours and mine
[15:23] <Riddell> ?
[15:27] <a|wen> seele: but i'll make up for it at the next UDS instead...
[15:28] <rgreening> seele: I dont think so. I have re-written the bulk of my original patch against kpackagekit 0.4. Now I need to finish it. xdg-menu stuff, etc...
[15:28] <seele> JontheEchidna: ping
[15:29] <seele> rgreening: what did the kpackagekit maintainer think of your patch, or has he not seen it yet
[15:29] <seaLne> Riddell: your 38 (1F2)... line of address was in between my name and my address
[15:30] <rgreening> no one outside kubuntu has seen anything yet.
[15:30] <rgreening> seele: ^
[15:31] <rgreening> it's a work in progress., so... and will need lots of love in order to be properly integrated in the upstream package (i.e to make sure it's distro agnostic).
[15:32] <ScottK> I did intend to apply.  I'll do so today.
[15:32] <ScottK> This entire notifications discussions has me torn between throwing up my hands and giving up (no point in going) or wanting to go even more.
[15:34] <seele> ScottK: even the better reason to be sure you go.
[15:35] <seele> rgreening: is tonio's ppa the latest?
[15:35] <ScottK> seele: Some of what they are proposing is just so obviously wrong and yet they don't listen to any outside voice.  Is there a point?
[15:36] <seele> if no one goes to UDS then it's hard to counter their points
[15:36] <rgreening> ScottK: hopefully I'll get my sponsorship approved and be there to help you out :) heheh
[15:36] <Nightrose> ScottK: worst case no-one at uds speaks up and they think it is ok the way it is :/
[15:36] <rgreening> seele: yes, unless you mean does it have my unfinished patch... then no.
[15:37] <seele> rgreening: ok
[15:37] <ScottK> Nightrose: I've yet to see any evidence telling them it's not OK would cause them to believe they have a problem.
[15:37] <Nightrose> meh
[15:37] <a|wen> ScottK and rgreening: be there and raise the voice... you no that you have a lot of people/developers behind you
[15:37] <rgreening> ScottK: face to face meetings tend to go better.
[15:38] <seele> if no one goes then there isn't anyone there to discuss these things
[15:38]  * Nightrose ponders
[15:38] <rgreening> seele: you going?
[15:38] <Nightrose> when is it again?
[15:38] <seele> Nightrose: last week in may
[15:38] <rgreening> last week may Nightrose
[15:38]  * Nightrose looks
[15:38] <seele> rgreening: it's complicated, that's why i'm trying to make sure that other people are going
[15:39] <rgreening> oh... ok. well, as long as I get approved, im there. in a heatbeat.
[15:39] <Nightrose> hmmmm
[15:40] <Nightrose> i could probably go but june is hell already for me
[15:40] <rgreening> plus I get to meet ScottK :P
[15:40] <Nightrose> linuxtag and akademy and my brothers' prom night
[15:40] <rickspencer3> Riddell: ping
[15:40] <seele> Nightrose: are you going to the amarok spring at the beginning of may too?
[15:41] <Nightrose> jep
[15:41] <Nightrose> I'd rarely be at home for 2 months :P
[15:41] <Riddell> hi rickspencer3
[15:41] <seaLne> Riddell: http://selkie.duffus.org/~kd/envelope/ my empty sticker envelope
[15:47] <seaLne> Nightrose: did you get stickers? just wondering what was in the envelope
[15:48] <Nightrose> seaLne: jep - there were 50 sticker papers inside
[15:48] <Nightrose> each with 8 or so different kubuntu stickers
[15:49] <Nightrose> correction
[15:49] <Nightrose> 13 on each paper
[15:49] <seaLne> a4 sheets?
[15:49] <Nightrose> nope
[15:49] <Nightrose> smaller
[15:49] <seaLne> a5?
[15:50] <Nightrose> 12cm x 12cm
[15:50] <seaLne> ah ok that could possibly have come out the rip
[15:51] <seaLne> a5 or folded a4 wouldn't have which was why i was wondering
[15:52] <Nightrose> :(
[15:57] <rickspencer3> Riddell: yeah, turning off desktop effects did the job
[15:59] <seaLne> Nightrose: btw akademy isn't june its july re your earlier comment
[16:01] <Nightrose> seaLne: ye i know - but right after linuxtag at the end of june
[16:01] <Nightrose> and before that i have to travel home for my brothers' prom night
[16:01] <Nightrose> busy busy ;-)
[16:02] <Nightrose> and the amarok dev sprint at the beginning of may
[16:02] <seaLne> k, just wanted to check you ment lots of things around that time and not that you had the date wrong
[16:02] <Nightrose> ;-) thx
[16:03] <Nightrose> so: if you need more KDE support at UDS poke me but if it is not really needed I think I should give the spot to someone else
[16:03] <seele> anyone know if Tonio applied?
[16:03] <seele> or if his company will send him again?
[16:04] <seele> yuriy: ping
[16:04] <seele> Nightrose: my concern is that i dont know if enough of the right people have applied and will be there
[16:04] <Nightrose> *nod*
[16:04] <Nightrose> 2 more days to find out right?
[16:04] <seele> yes
[16:04] <Nightrose> ok
[16:05] <Quintasan> anyone using PackageKit from ppa?
[16:06] <Nightrose> seele: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_DED btw
[16:07] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna:
[16:07] <DaSkreech> ing
[16:07] <DaSkreech> ++p
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> DaSkreech: ong
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> ++p
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:07] <Quintasan> :D
[16:07] <seele> Nightrose: interesting, but i don't want to move to london.
[16:08] <Nightrose> hehe ok
[16:08] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: Was just letting you know that you may have incoming on the GG support for 4.2
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> Oh, yeah...
[16:08]  * JontheEchidna sigheth
[16:09] <DaSkreech> :-)
[16:09] <DaSkreech> That's why the heads up ;-)
[16:09] <DaSkreech> What needs to be done for that?
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> vicously separate the google gears plugin into its own tarball and make a new package
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> and still not be able to install it by default I'm afraid
[16:11] <DaSkreech> Well a) I don't think that many people know or care about it
[16:11] <DaSkreech> b) If someone wants it they can get it
[16:11] <DaSkreech> I think is the arguement
[16:16] <seaLne> anyone able to get kde to stop responding in jaunty by pressing alt+f2?
[16:17] <seaLne> its happened since i installed updates from over the weekend
[16:17] <seaLne> not convinced its the actual key presses that cause it tho
[16:18] <Riddell> kded4 died?
[16:19] <DaSkreech> Probably
[16:22] <seaLne> it happens everytime since this morning
[16:23] <markey> heya
[16:23] <markey> anyone know where to get the latest choqoK from? I hear 0.5 has landed in a PPA
[16:24] <markey> mine is crashing a lot
[16:24] <etank> seaLne: just by hitting alt+f2 you lock up?
[16:25] <seaLne> yep :(
[16:26] <DaSkreech> markey: seen the new laconica stuff? :)
[16:27] <markey> DaSkreech: nope, what is it?
[16:28] <etank> seaLne: i just tried it on a jaunty kubuntu box that i updated this morning
[16:28] <etank> it didnt lock up for me
[16:28] <DaSkreech> markey: Direct messages and nudging
[16:28] <markey> ok
[16:28] <markey> I still want that new ShowCock :p
[16:29] <seaLne> etank: yeah i think it is a symptom of something else
[16:29] <ScottK> Riddell: I just applied for UDS.
[16:29] <Riddell> yay
[16:30] <markey> some "neversfelde" dented: "testing !choqoK 0.5+svn. Btw new packages are available in my PPA"
[16:30] <seele> Riddell: do you know if yuriy or Tonio applied?
[16:30] <markey> ah, that guy happens to be here :)
[16:30] <markey> neversfelde: ping
[16:30] <DaSkreech> markey: Looks like his is going to start being like Wine and Windows :)
[16:31] <markey> the ShowCock?
[16:33] <DaSkreech> Yeah They start implementing the new stuff laconica puts out almost get it owrking new stuff comes out they start working on that almost get it working hey look! new stuff!
[16:34] <markey> hehe
[16:34] <markey> tbh I like my micro-blogging KISS style
[16:34] <markey> no tags, nu nudges, no hugs
[16:34] <markey> <- hardcore :p
[16:34]  * DaSkreech hugs markey
[16:34] <markey> you kids can do all the fancy new stuff :p
[16:35] <markey> so here is that PPA, if anyone is interested:
[16:35] <markey> 17:34 < Mamarok> markey: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/neversfelde/ppa/ubuntu main
[16:35] <markey> trying it now
[16:37] <Riddell> seele: I do not
[16:37] <DaSkreech> is jackalope expected to ship with Qt 4.5
[16:37] <Riddell> DaSkreech: yes
[16:37] <DaSkreech> Whoo
[16:39] <seaLne> etank: do you use konqueror as your browser?
[16:43] <markey> yay, got the new choqoK
[16:43] <markey> don't bother with that PPA
[16:43] <markey> link: https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eneversfelde/+archive/ppa/+files/choqok_0.5+svn933956-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb
[16:43] <markey> :)
[16:47] <etank> seaLne: nah i normally use FF
[16:55] <cumulus007> Why are you using KPakcgeKit as the default package manager in Jaunty? What's wrong with Adept?
[16:57] <DaSkreech> cumulus007: Unmaintained
[16:58] <cumulus007> Ah, but I thought Adept is made by the Kubuntu devs?
[16:58] <seele> what kubuntu devs
[16:58] <cumulus007> KPackagekit is uncomplete and sloooow
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> Adept was completely written by mornfall
[17:00] <DaSkreech> cumulus007: Even if it was that's a good reason to use kpackageKit
[17:00] <DaSkreech> having more people than just Kubuntu working on it is good for the long term
[17:31] <Quintasan> \o mpt
[17:36] <mpt> hello hello
[18:18] <yuriy> seele: applied for what?
[18:19] <yuriy> good morning, snow day style
[18:20] <ScottK> Going to UDS I think.
[18:21] <yuriy> I didn't see any announcement for applications (but I haven't looked at my rss in a couple days..)
[18:25] <ScottK> yuriy: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/02/19/announcing-the-karmic-koala-ubuntu-developer-summit/
[18:26] <DaSkreech> seele: I found a way to test Notification flood for usabilty testing :)
[18:34] <seele> yuriy: it was announced two weeks ago and applications are due wednesday
[18:34] <seele> yuriy: please apply if you plan on going. link is in the topic
[18:34] <seele> DaSkreech: huh? why would you test a flood? there should never be a flood
[18:35] <yuriy> uhoh gotta hurry then
[18:35] <DaSkreech> seele: Join three or four groups on identi.ca and then wait like  a week inbetween logins with choqok
[18:36] <seele> DaSkreech: still.. the application should be smart enough to not flood you to start with
[18:36] <seele> and find an alternative way of providing you backlog if you want it
[18:36] <DaSkreech> Well honestly I told it to spit up notifications but I just got like 100 notifies spread out over a minute and a half
[18:37] <DaSkreech> Well the only purpose of the app is it give you backlog and to add to the backlog of others :-D
[18:37] <cumulus007> anyone having sound problems on Jaunty? My pulseaudio eats lots of CPU usage all over the time
[18:38]  * JontheEchidna doesn't use pulseaudio
[18:38] <seele> so you fix the problem instead of gimping a design that wasn't meant to solve the problem in the first place?
[18:39] <ScottK> cumulus007: Kubuntu doesn't have pulseaudio
[18:39] <cumulus007> why is it in my device list, then?
[18:40] <ScottK> It's a known issue with Pulse that's being worked on for Ubuntu though
[18:40] <cumulus007> okay
[18:40] <ScottK> cumulus007: Do you have Ubuntu installed too?
[18:40] <cumulus007> nope
[18:40] <cumulus007> erhm, yes
[18:40] <ScottK> That's why then.
[18:40] <cumulus007> GNOME/KDE
[18:40] <cumulus007> on a single boot
[18:40] <ScottK> Ubuntu Desktop pulls that in.
[18:44] <DaSkreech> seele: Good point :)
[18:58] <Quintasan> DaSkreech: It lags like hell
[18:58] <Quintasan> DaSkreech: I mean when you recive a lots of notifications :P
[18:58] <DaSkreech> Quintasan: Hmm?
[18:58] <DaSkreech> Quintasan: I think it's not lagged I think it's metered
[18:59] <Quintasan> DaSkreech: I recive like 80+ messages on jabber form twitter like service and I waited for ~2 minutes for all of them to disappear
[18:59] <DaSkreech> That's kopete
[18:59] <DaSkreech> ?
[19:00] <Quintasan> DaSkreech: yeah, same for identi.ca with choqok
[19:00] <DaSkreech> Well Kopete floods
[19:00] <Quintasan> I wonder why they didnt made messages from one contact to stack
[19:00] <Quintasan> like "38 unread messages from Blip"
[19:00] <DaSkreech> At least I can't say if it's a flood since the notifications stay till they go away
[19:01] <DaSkreech> They did in KDE3
[19:01] <Quintasan> But not in KDE4 :3
[19:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah I noticed :)
[19:02] <Quintasan> I filed a wish on kde bug tracker but it went unnoticed :P
[19:08] <DaSkreech> Quintasan: Kopete needs help. Best way to get stuff done is to trump up devs for kopete
[19:08] <DaSkreech> They few who are there focus on protocol stuff
[19:10] <jefferai> can anyone tell me if the python upgrade breakage is all fixed?
[19:11] <ScottK> It's not.
[19:12] <jefferai> ah
[19:12] <jefferai> so, still best to add the pythoneers PPA then?
[19:13] <ScottK> I think Main is done, so that won't help.
[19:13] <jefferai> oh, ok
[19:13] <jefferai> So, the upgrade to alpha 5 should be ok
[19:13] <jefferai> but I might experience python breakage after that
[19:14] <jefferai> right?
[19:16] <ScottK> Yes
[19:16] <jefferai> Life of a developer, I can deal with it
[19:16] <jefferai> :-)
[19:16] <jefferai> thans
[19:17] <Quintasan> DaSkreech: too bad my coding skills are almost useless :<
[19:17] <DaSkreech> I never said anything about you coding
[19:19] <Quintasan> DaSkreech: I know :P I could help them if I could code, but I've just started C++ so it's almost useless :P
[19:20] <DaSkreech> Why do more and more apps think that they should launch Firefox when I click on a URL?
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> Why isn't konqueror asking me if I want to restore the session or not?
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> I don't want to restore the session, because Konqeror crashed
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> now it is always crashing
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> ugh
[21:12] <seele> Tonio_: did you apply to UDS?
[21:12] <seele> JontheEchidna: did you apply to UDS too?
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> I will not have time to attend this time :(
[21:13] <Tonio_> seele: not yet.... is that opened already ?
[21:13] <ScottK> seele: JontheEchidna was earlier whining about highschool.
[21:13] <seele> ScottK: ooh
[21:13] <ScottK> Tonio_: Wed is the deadline.
[21:13] <seele> Tonio_: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/02/19/announcing-the-karmic-koala-ubuntu-developer-summit/
[21:14] <Tonio_> ScottK, seele: WOW, thanks for the ping....
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> was bug 319245 acted upon? It really shouldn't have been if it was...
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ^
[21:16] <Nightrose> Tonio_: you have less than two days
[21:19] <Tonio_> Nightrose: doing this right now...
[21:19] <Nightrose> great :)
[21:19] <seele> so that's three people who have applied? ScottK rgreening and Tonio?
[21:20] <Nightrose> yuriy: ?
[21:20] <seele> he did or you are asking?
[21:20] <Nightrose> asking
[21:20] <seele> i wonder if nixternal has time to go too
[21:20] <seele> because right now i dont think anyone from the council has signed up
[21:21] <Nightrose> looks like it yea
[21:21] <seele> (except for Riddell)
[21:25] <ScottK> Given the lack of a desktop indicator, I think it might make sense to have kubuntu-desktop conflict notify-osd.
[21:25] <seele> huh?
[21:27] <ScottK> Well maco was saying the Pidgin with notify-osd on Kubuntu was painful, but that it was fine with libnotify
[21:27] <ScottK> Because notify-osd is assuming MI is around and running and we don't have it.
[21:27] <seele> wouldnt that make people who have ubuntu installed unable to install kubuntu-desktop?
[21:28] <ScottK> No, I think we could work it so they end up with libnotify instead.
[21:29] <seele> instead? as in remove notify-osd?
[21:29] <seele> or just when kubuntu is running, use libnotify instead
[21:32] <ScottK> You'd have to remove it I'm pretty sure.
[21:33] <seele> that doesn't seem like a happy solution for people who want both desktops
[21:35] <seele> Nightrose: nixternal is a no
[21:35] <ScottK> Well libnotify works find in Ubuntu, just doesn't provide the new 'Desktop Experience"
[21:35] <seele> yes, so i can't imagine it being a happy solution with the desktop team
[21:35]  * seele grrs
[21:36] <seele> need more tea
[21:36] <Nightrose> seele: ok - and you can't go either?
[21:36] <seele> Nightrose: erm.. it's complicated and i definitely wont know by wednesday
[21:37] <Nightrose> ok
[21:37] <ScottK> seele: I see the choices as Kubuntu broken and Ubuntu good or Kubuntu good and Ubuntu OK.
[21:37] <seele> ScottK: right. now think which one will happen
[21:38] <ScottK> Well it's up to us what we want in Kubuntu Desktop.
[21:39] <seele> ScottK: sure, but i hardly believe that we will be able to break the ubuntu desktop in the process
[21:40] <Quintasan> night guys
[21:40] <seele> l8r
[21:40] <ScottK> I don't think this qualifies as breaking.
[21:42] <Tonio_> Would you be willing to participate as member of the crew?
[21:42] <Tonio_> hum that sounds stupid, but what does this mean ? ;)
[21:42]  * ScottK said no.
[21:42] <Tonio_> really I don't get it...
[21:42] <ScottK> seele could tell you better since she did it, but it's basically you do one day of working on behind the scenes stuff putting on the conference.
[21:43] <seele> Tonio_: you just go around to the rooms and say "time's up get out!" all day
[21:43] <seele> and run errands for claire
[21:43] <Tonio_> :)
[21:45] <Tonio_> seele: did you add anything into "further information" ? I think the first desc is enough right ?
[21:45]  * Tonio_ is very bad at describing himself and his motivations....
[21:46] <Tonio_> ScottK: any inspiration ? :)
[21:47] <ScottK> I don't think you need to say much more than Kubuntu core-dev and want to work on making the plan for Kubntu Karmic.
[21:47] <Tonio_> that's just what I said yes :)
[21:48] <Tonio_> my motivations are the same for 4 years now...
[21:48] <Tonio_> it's been sent... we'll see :)
[21:48] <ScottK> It'd probably help if you spelled it better than me.
[21:49] <seele> Tonio_: uhm.. i dont know if the form has changed since last time. i just wrote a few lines about what i do for kubuntu and why i should be there
[21:50] <Tonio_> seele: yeah, but I wrote all that in the first part of the form... there is an "extra informations", that doesn't make sense to me :)
[21:51] <Tonio_> seele: well it's done now, but as I'm late I just hope they won't get the sponsorship in FIFO mode :)
[21:51] <seele> Tonio_: ah, then i dont know what that part is for :)
[21:51] <seele> so now we will hopefully have one more council member there!
[21:51]  * Tonio_ is wondering if qt4.5 was a good choice....
[21:52] <Tonio_> I have a lot more crashes and graphical artefacts with it than with 4.4...
[21:54] <Nightrose> seele: who?
[21:55] <seele> Nightrose: Tonio_? lol
[21:56] <Nightrose> seele: ah - I had taken him for granted already ;-)
[21:56] <Tonio_> seele: I may not be part of the council anymore...
[21:57] <Nightrose> representing kubuntu either way ;-)
[21:57] <Tonio_> seele: maybe I should consider leaving the council for a year...
[21:58] <seele> Tonio_: what? why?
[21:59] <Tonio_> seele: bah.... to rotate the positions :)
[21:59] <Tonio_> seele: here is the deal..
[21:59] <Tonio_> the day I get a girlfriend (I mean a regular one...), I'm leaving the council for a year.
[21:59] <Tonio_> so that the day it happens, everyone of you knows :)
[21:59] <Nightrose> hehe
[21:59]  * Nightrose wonders how hard Tonio_ is trying to get a gf
[22:00] <Tonio_> the thing that I don't know if I have a girlfriend or not.... that's a bit strange, but that's true :)
[22:00] <Tonio_> Nightrose: not that hard... it's not when searching for something that you find it :)
[22:00] <Nightrose> *nod*
[22:00] <Tonio_> Nightrose: if I was searching hard, I wouldn't be here talking with you :)
[22:01] <Tonio_> I mean I'd be as far as possible from my computer :)
[22:01] <Tonio_> computing isn't the very best way to meet girls or boys :)
[22:01] <Nightrose> haha
[22:01] <Nightrose> true
[22:01] <seele> Tonio_: is she dating anyone else besides you?
[22:01] <Nightrose> well it worked for me ;-)
[22:01] <Tonio_> seele: who "she" ?
[22:02] <Tonio_> seele: my "if don't know if" gf ?
[22:02] <Nightrose> *lol*
[22:02] <Nightrose> jep
[22:02] <seele> oh, i thought you said you weren't sure as in you know of a girl but aren't sure of what state youre in
[22:02] <Tonio_> hum.... well she leaves in tunisia... and she is in love, but won't come to france
[22:02] <Tonio_> and I won't go in tunisia :)
[22:02] <Nightrose> :/
[22:02] <seele> oooh, *that* girl
[22:02] <Tonio_> seele: yeah !
[22:03] <Nightrose> you know her seele? ;-)
[22:03] <Tonio_> seele: I thought it was clear for her on that point, but it changed a bit recently
[22:03] <Tonio_> no news for 3 month, and then a love letter....
[22:03] <Sput> women.
[22:03] <Sput> *d&r*
[22:03] <Tonio_> Nightrose: seele knows a lot about my personal life :)
[22:03] <seele> oh my.. women are so confusing
[22:03] <seele> i dont see how more men arent just gay
[22:03] <Nightrose> hehe
[22:03] <seele> men are so much better
[22:03] <Tonio_> seele: especially since we didn't see each other for 7 month...
[22:04] <Tonio_> seele: but as I said, the only reason we're not together is because of the distance
[22:04] <Tonio_> the thing is :
[22:04] <Nightrose> seele: is that related to a lot of men comming out around me?
[22:04] <Tonio_> she is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO beautifull
[22:04] <Tonio_> she uses ubuntu
[22:04]  * Nightrose wonderes if something is wrong with her
[22:04] <Sput> seele: I would agree with you on so many levels on that, but there are certain biological imperatives :)
[22:04] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:04] <Tonio_> she can read an LDIFF ldap export
[22:04] <seele> Sput: lol
[22:04] <Tonio_> and she can patch C code
[22:04] <seele> Nightrose: as long as your current bf doesnt switch sides, then i think you're ok :)
[22:04] <Tonio_> WTF else should I need ? :)
[22:04] <Nightrose> seele: *g* good
[22:04] <Nightrose> i think i am save then
[22:04] <Tonio_> BUT !!!!!!!!!! she's using gnome....
[22:05] <seele> Tonio_: oh wow.. are you sure youre in love?
[22:05] <Nightrose> OHNOES!
[22:05] <Tonio_> seele: well I don't know myself.... I know I would fall in love in 3 seconds if I was conviced we have a chance together...
[22:05] <Tonio_> seele: but as this is unlikelly to happen....
[22:06] <seele> Tonio_: you know once you form your resolve, she will come to france and then you will a pickle
[22:06] <ScottK> Maybe you should both move.
[22:06] <seele> er.. in a pickle
[22:06] <seele> hmm.. thats a common saying and it still sounds weird
[22:07] <Tonio_> seele: she come in france in a few weeks for vacations (let's say to see me...)
[22:07] <Tonio_> seele: we'll see then...
[22:07] <seele> Tonio_: so in a few weeks we will know if you are going to UDS or not?
[22:07] <Tonio_> seele: but the thing is I have to convince her to come leave in france :)
[22:08] <seele> or if you have a good story to tell at dinner?
[22:08] <Tonio_> seele: haha :) whatever happens I'll be there
[22:08] <Tonio_> seele: the Prague UDS almost saved my life last time... I won't miss it if I'm sponsored :)
[22:08] <Tonio_> seele: but I'll have god stories to tell about for sure :)
[22:08] <seele> Tonio_: i'm glad we managed to pull you out of your hotel room
[22:09] <Tonio_> seele: yeah...that's seems far away now, but I remember how bad I felt...
[22:09] <Tonio_> seele: some people do react with a lot more dignity...
[22:10] <Tonio_> seele: that's not my case, in such moments, I must say... I'm egotistic sometimes...
[22:10] <seele> hehe
[22:11] <Tonio_> seele: I was very egotistic there, thinking about it now...
[22:12] <seele> Tonio_: like you said, you were going through a rough time.
[22:12] <seele> Tonio_: what happened to you doesn't happen every day :)
[22:13] <Tonio_> seele: yup... I recently heard from a friend of her that she is full of regrets now.... since it didn't go well with the "new guy"
[22:13] <Tonio_> and that she wondered if she hadn't do the biggest mistake of her life...
[22:13] <seele> ah yes, it always seems to go that way, doesnt it
[22:13] <Tonio_> seele: I only thought "too bad, little girl !"
[22:13] <seele> good for you, she showed you the kind of person she really is
[22:13] <Tonio_> then I know I was fine :)
[22:14] <yuriy> phew, got worried commencement was during UDS for a minute
[22:14] <Tonio_> yuriy: you mean ?
[22:15] <yuriy> I'm applying, I just thought commencement might be that week, but it's the 17th so no conflict
[22:15] <Tonio_> yuriy: ah oki ;)
[22:36] <Riddell> one up on Ubuntu Cola http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/pretty-photos/wee/dscn2841.jpg
[22:37] <jpds> Haha, nice.
[22:37] <Nightrose> ScottK: are you subscribed to the amarok packagers list btw?
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> it even has a blue cap
[22:38] <Nightrose> ie: did you get my last email about the tarball?
[22:39] <Nightrose> haha awesome Riddell
[22:39] <ScottK> I'm not.
[22:39]  * ScottK just saw the tagged commit go by on IRC.
[22:40] <Nightrose> hmm ok i just checked and you seem to not have ack'd your invitation
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> Wow, the kde4libs bugpage is looking nice... https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs
[22:42]  * JontheEchidna brags a little :P
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> Of course a lot of that was also apachelogger's work
[22:43] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna++
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> if only it was all triaged...
[22:44] <sebas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[22:44] <sebas> Does anybody know if this includes the latest kernels, or only the version shipped anyway?
[22:44] <sebas> I'm looking for a way to upgrade my kernel without a compiler ...
[22:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: must admit I hadn't considered the continuous crash cycle with konqueror
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> :)
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> I fixed it by closing the tab when it restored really, really quick
[22:47] <Riddell> but that weird restore dialogue was really annoying me
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> It really should only be popping up as long as Konq crashed last time... maybe the bug is that it sometimes presents itself when konq doesn't crash?
[22:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it also pops up on session restore
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> Hum, it really shouldn't do that
[22:49] <Riddell> tasty http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/pretty-photos/wee/dscn2854.jpg
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> Kubuntu choco!
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> Kubuntolate
[22:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi !
[22:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm giving a talk at the french event "solutions linux" in paris next month about kubuntu/kde4
[22:53] <Riddell> ooh la la
[22:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you have some presentations I may use on that point or should I start from sratch ?
[22:53] <Riddell> I'm supposed to be giving a talk in Nigeria this weekend, but no visa yet :(
[22:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't have anything I'm afraid
[22:54] <Tonio_> Riddell:  :'(
[22:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, then I'll translate mine and send it to you :)
[22:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, I have 2 packages pending in NEW, knemo and kblogger
[22:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: both were droped and very popular kde3 apps...
[22:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I write an FFE for those or can you approve them directly ?
[22:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I seem to remember you said if was okay for droped apps...
[22:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: no FF needed, I can look at them
[22:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: great ;)
[22:56] <Tonio_> there is also skrooge... but that needs an FFE since this is a new app... replaces kmymoney that just disapeared
[22:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll write an FFE for that one, since I think we need a kde4 financial app in the repos...
[22:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: then it's not a new app
[22:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum It's not a port :) this is a feature equivalent app, but completly different codebase
[22:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: but well if you can approve that one too.... it was approved on revu, btw :)
[22:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: also k3b still in the pipe, but I have to buy RW dvds to make tests and patches.... I'll get it in time...
[22:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: and I got a dev to start coding a "net usershare" thing for folder share :) which is good
[22:59] <Tonio_> too late for jaunty but we'll have a spec for karmi
[23:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that an Iron Bru bottle ? I seem to recognize the tipical color ;)
[23:02] <Riddell> It's Kubuntu Bru!
[23:06] <seele> ouch
[23:07] <yuriy> ok, applied
[23:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's say kubrutu then ;)
[23:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: ha ha
[23:10]  * seele gets heartburn just thinking of it
[23:10] <seele> so gross
[23:13] <Riddell> what's gross?!
[23:13] <seele> erm..
[23:13]  * seele hides
[23:14] <Riddell> seele: is this more to your taste? http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/pretty-photos/wee/dscn2847.jpg
[23:14] <Riddell> yuriy: to UDS?
[23:15] <seele> Riddell: is that whisky?
[23:15] <Riddell> txwikinger: you applying to UDS?  jcastro will cry if you don't
[23:15] <Riddell> seele: it's 10 years distilled Kubuntu
[23:15]  * Tonio_ wonders if ktorrent with search engines like thepiratebay or mininova is sane in the default install....
[23:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we patch to remove those ones ?
[23:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: we did in the past...
[23:16]  * seele admits to being pretty ignorant about whisky..
[23:16] <seele> i would probably do something silly like mix it, and then you would hate me
[23:16] <txwikinger> Riddell I will
[23:16] <txwikinger> Have the sebpage already open
[23:16] <txwikinger> webpage
[23:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: that would remove half the point surely
[23:17] <txwikinger> Riddell: Thanks for the package btw.
[23:17] <seele> Riddell: that might not be leagal in some countries
[23:17] <Tonio_> seele: you know how Pierre Desproges (one of the best french humorists), called whisky ? (I love that one !!)
[23:17] <Tonio_> seele: it called it "le cognac du con"
[23:18] <seele> Tonio_: what does that mean?
[23:18] <txwikinger> seele: What is not legal?
[23:18] <Tonio_> seele: lemme find the words to translate that... :)
[23:18] <seele> txwikinger: including piratebay as a search source might not be legal in some countries
[23:18]  * seele knows 0 french
[23:18] <seele> i see "the cognac of with"
[23:19] <txwikinger> search source for free software ?
[23:19] <seele> txwikinger: it doesnt matter if it is free software or not
[23:19] <Tonio_> seele: whisky is goddamn's cognac
[23:19] <Tonio_> seele: :)
[23:19] <seele> lol
[23:20] <Tonio_> seele: by the way I love whisky, scotch one of course
[23:20] <txwikinger> Well.. I would be surprised if it would be not allowed to use piratebay for things that are not copyright-infringements
[23:21] <Tonio_> I love that man
[23:21] <Tonio_> seele: another good one : "Everything in life is a matter of choice. It starts with "pacifier or nipple?", it ends with "Oak or pine ?"
[23:21] <seele> Tonio_: haha that is a good one too
[23:21] <Tonio_> seele: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Desproges
[23:21] <Tonio_> seele: you should read the page I guess, you may appreciate :)
[23:23] <Tonio_> seele: and the best ever : Bigamy is when you have two wives, monotony is when you only have one.
[23:23] <seele> Riddell: the chocolate bar looks tastey except it is upsidedown!
[23:24] <seele> "Every morning, I bring my wife coffee in bed. All she has to do is grind it."
[23:24]  * txwikinger disappears to the LUG meeting
[23:25] <Riddell> glatzor: coming to come to UDS?
[23:25] <Tonio_> glatzor: hey !
[23:26] <Tonio_> glatzor: thanks for insisting with kpackagekit, works like a charm :) we should consider uploading I think :)
[23:26] <glatzor> Tonio_, Riddell, hello guys. nice to hear
[23:28] <Tonio_> glatzor: I've been testing it as much as I could, didn't find any bug in it... (not even a crash which is rare for kde4 apps... ^^)
[23:29] <glatzor> Tonio_, have you ever seen a "backend is too slow error"?
[23:29] <Tonio_> glatzor: yeah I got it I think once...
[23:30] <Tonio_> glatzor: but I got it with the current version aswell
[23:30] <glatzor> Tonio_, packagekit daemon makes a synchronous call to the backend to start the transaction
[23:31] <Tonio_> hum oki...
[23:31] <glatzor> Tonio_, it seems that under some circumstances it takes more than 500 miliseconds for the backend to respond - which is the default timeout
[23:31] <Tonio_> glatzor: would 1 sec be too much ?
[23:32] <glatzor> Tonio_, I suspect a delay in dbus on high i/o load
[23:32] <glatzor> Tonio_, I am thinking about raising the timeout. right.
[23:32] <Tonio_> yeah, probably, but that sounds hard to fix... maybe the default timeout could be increased at least for a first workarround...
[23:33] <Tonio_> 1 sec doesn't sound shocking to me...
[23:33] <glatzor> the packagekit daemon is blocked for this time
[23:34] <Tonio_> hum yeah, if that requires patching the sources, then that's bad...
[23:35] <Tonio_> glatzor: how often do you get the issue ? I must say I have a pretty light config, not that many processes started, so it won't affect me much, but that could be annoying for most people
[23:37] <Tonio_> glatzor: anyway, do you have plans to upload the ppa packagekit or will you wait to eventually find out a fix for the issue ?
[23:37] <yuriy> Riddell: yeah
[23:38] <glatzor> Tonio_, I only get it in one of my virtual machines once or twice a week
[23:38]  * jussio1 waves at peoples! :)
[23:39] <Tonio_> glatzor: oki :) well compared to adept, that'll always be better, whatever happens :)
[23:39] <DaSkreech> What about me and ubottu ?
[23:39] <Tonio_> glatzor: as I said, I maybe got it twice during the all dev cycle, not more
[23:39]  * Tonio_ admits not using kpackagekit all day long, using apt instead, or pkcon...
[23:40] <Tonio_> I'll have to force myself to use it I guess... :)
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> I get a timeout on almost anything I try to do
[23:44] <ScottK> Well if you read the Ubuntu ML it turns out upates aren't very important anyway.
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> I must not read that ML
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> which one?
[23:46] <ScottK> If it's OK to hide updates for a week because users don't want them.
[23:46] <ScottK> That discussion.
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> I meant, which mailing list?
[23:47] <ScottK> Oh
[23:48] <ScottK> ubuntu-devel
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> Ugh, now kpackagekit still has a dpkg lock even after I closed the window
[23:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: bug 327146 Feel free to approve or not...
[23:56] <glatzor> Ridell, Tonio_, I have uploaded a new version to the ppa. It includes a patch to raise the timeout and a small fix in the rules file
[23:56] <glatzor> Riddell, Tonio_ Feel free to upload this version if you don't encounter any bugs
[23:58] <Tonio_> glatzor: oki I'll test and upload then.... I didn't want to upload packagekit on my without being undubbed by you...