[00:00] <tuxi> I had 10.0.d21.1  and manually updated my installation
[00:00] <amelie> thank guys see you later
[00:01] <amelie> bye
[00:01] <tuxi> I didn't look very closely at your post
[00:01] <tuxi> by amelie
[00:04] <ActionParsnip> tuxi: i'm on Shockwave Flash 10.0 d21
[00:10]  * ghostcube uses flashplugin-nonfree and compiz on 64 bit no problemos
[00:10] <ghostcube> :D
[00:15]  * ActionParsnip doesnt use compiz and has no problems
[00:16]  * ActionParsnip thinks compiz needs to be burned at the stake
[00:45] <Loctrice> I still have no desktop. I couldnt install the driver, I modified the xorg.config, changed the screen resolution and refresh rate. I am very frustrated now. I dont know what else to do
[00:46] <Loctrice> I reached the end of the help page on the website and still dont have a desktop. I guess this is a common problem with nvidia? but there doesnt seem to be a good fix for it
[00:46] <cpk1> Loctrice: using which driver?
[00:47] <Loctrice> nvidia gforce 6800 is my actual card
[00:48] <Loctrice> I have no idea how to do this setup *tears out all his hair*
[00:49] <Loctrice> I got it to tell me I was using the wrong resolution and screen refresh rate once. now it will run a bunch of commands down to starting scripts, but it wont start
[00:49] <cpk1> Loctrice: but which driver are you trying to use? the one from nvidia or the open source one?
[00:49] <Loctrice> I try to open in another tty and it just keeps telling me that it couldnt connect to this server, and failed to attach to that server
[00:50] <Loctrice> I dont know how to go online and download anything. whatever is attached to my download for nvidia
[00:50] <Loctrice> I had to reboot in windows to come back here
[00:51] <Loctrice> cpk1: thats as good as I can do. it reads the nvidia card when I type the lshw command. I have set the screen resolution in the xorg.config
[00:52] <Loctrice> *bangs head on desk*
[00:54] <Loctrice> maybe I'll try to re install linux
[00:55] <Dr_Willis_Arch> thats windows thinking!
[00:55] <Dr_Willis_Arch> :)
[00:55] <Loctrice> heh, I am defeated. its been 4 days and I cant get my os running
[00:55] <Dr_Willis_Arch> whats the actual problem?
[00:55] <Loctrice> didnt you try and help me earlier Dr_Willis?
[00:56] <Dr_Willis_Arch> I can barely rember my own nick. :) much less wha happend an hr ago..heh
[00:56] <Loctrice> cant get the desktop to load. edited the xorg.config and redid the screen resolution because after I edited it the first time for the driver then it said that it wouldnt support my resolution (monitors error message)
[00:56] <Dr_Willis_Arch> ati or nvidia video?
[00:57] <Loctrice> now it runs a bunch of commands with [ok] next to them, says its starting scripts and then does nothing (but I get a glimpse of the mouse twice)
[00:57] <Loctrice> nvidia
[00:57] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Hmm.. i shouldof backed up my nvida xorg.conf from this last install..
[00:57] <Dr_Willis_Arch> You did install the nvidia drivers.. you did try lettng the nvidia tools genreate a xorg.conf?
[00:57] <Dr_Willis_Arch> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[00:57] <Loctrice> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[00:57] <Dr_Willis_Arch> You are using a lcd? DVI conector?
[00:58] <Loctrice> that sounds cool
[00:58] <Dr_Willis_Arch> people overlook the nvidia config  tools.
[00:58] <Loctrice> I dont even remember what all I have done. I went through the entire help page making changes
[00:59] <Loctrice> one of the biggest frustrations is I have to reboot and start in windows mode to come back and get more help
[01:00] <Dr_Willis_Arch> install irssi, its a console/text based irc client :)
[01:00] <Dr_Willis_Arch> sudo apt-get install irssi
[01:00] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Im using it right now.
[01:00] <Loctrice> *scribbles notes*
[01:00] <Dr_Willis_Arch>  it normally takes me all of 4 min ti get the nvidia drivers going.
[01:00] <Dr_Willis_Arch> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:00] <Dr_Willis_Arch> sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig (i think)
[01:00] <Dr_Willis_Arch>  then suso nvidia-xconfig
[01:01] <Dr_Willis_Arch> oops :) sudo
[01:01] <Dr_Willis_Arch> I think.. thats all i normally do
[01:01] <Loctrice> well, hopefully I will come back from linux then. I intend to only use windows for my developement software
[01:02] <Loctrice> like visual studios
[01:02] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Just to double check..you are NOT using a KVM switch? Yu are using a LCD monitor with DVI connector?
[01:02] <Loctrice> I have no idea what a KVM switch is so I would guess I'm not using that
[01:02] <Loctrice> I got the standard blue/white plugins on a flat panel monitor
[01:03] <Loctrice> I'll go give this stuff a shot. with any luck I can still come back here even from the command line window if I dont have a desktop
[01:04] <Dr_Willis_Arch> VGA = the old standard 15 pin..  DVI = the newer port.  sort of squareish..
[01:04] <Dr_Willis_Arch> if you can use dvi - it works much better.
[01:05] <Loctrice> I got a little blue plugin that help?
[01:05] <Loctrice> I got a white bulky one two, but I just plugged it in for good measure
[01:05] <Loctrice> it doesnt actually use that signal
[01:06] <Loctrice> ok, I'll go run these installs and pray alot *mumbles something about shutting his head in the door* be back soon  I hope, thanks for the help
[01:19] <rmrfslash> Hello. Am I on the inter-webs?
[01:19] <rmrfslash> kidding.... what's a good laptop for kubuntu. One w/ best hardware support.
[01:20] <rmrfslash> dell?
[01:20] <Dr_Willis_AAO> rmrfslash:  budget has a lot to do wih it. :)
[01:20] <Dr_Willis_AAO> My AcerAspireone works very well :)
[01:20] <Dr_Willis_AAO> Most of my laptops wok very well with linux now a days
[01:21] <rmrfslash> I think I want a fast, thin, light one
[01:21] <rmrfslash> what about the new apple laptops w/ SLI and quad core processors?
[01:21] <faileas> rmrfslash: in my experience thinkpads tend to work well with linux
[01:21] <rmrfslash> thinkpads?
[01:21] <rmrfslash> k
[01:22] <jals> anyone any idea why Grip would fail to see my cd drive when every other app can?
[01:22] <tijucas> a fast, thin and light laptop will work well with linux!
[01:22] <faileas> rmrfslash: else go for something thats centreno/core2, and uses intel wireless.
[01:23] <rmrfslash> install DSL on it and you might have trouble finding it... it will be too fast, light and thin
[01:23] <faileas> lol
[01:23] <tijucas> i prefer amd
[01:23] <tijucas> :)
[01:23] <rmrfslash> is it just me or are the mini laptops weird?
[01:23]  * faileas prefers siltaz over DSL ;p
[01:24] <tijucas> rmrfslash: i dont want one...
[01:25] <rmrfslash> so then they MUST be weird!! ;)
[01:25] <Dr_Willis_AAO> I like my AcerAspireOne
[01:25] <Dr_Willis_AAO> I just wish it had a Svideo out.
[01:25]  * faileas wants a mini 9
[01:25] <rmrfslash> how do you do italics
[01:25]  * Dr_Willis_AAO wonders what italics?
[01:26] <rmrfslash> great.
[01:26] <rmrfslash> now everyone knows the hotness but me.
[01:26] <tijucas> i dont see italics..
[01:26] <Dr_Willis_AAO> I dont see any italics eiher
[01:26] <Dr_Willis_AAO> IRSSI dont show /me actions that way
[01:26] <rmrfslash> I must be seeing things
[01:26]  * Dr_Willis_AAO drops a hint
[01:26] <tijucas> humm..
[01:26]  * Dr_Willis_AAO giggles like a schoolgirl
[01:26]  * rmrfslash cool
[01:27]  * Dr_Willis_AAO starts to refer to himself in the 3rd person
[01:27] <Loctrice> *shivers*
[01:27]  * rmrfslash wants a new laptop
[01:27]  * tijucas to
[01:27]  * tijucas too
[01:27] <tijucas> ehe
[01:27] <Loctrice> well, I cant install anything at all
[01:27] <Loctrice> I have a list of errors from when I try to startkde though
[01:28]  * rmrfslash is laughing at Loctrice's dismay
[01:28]  * rmrfslash is kidding
[01:28] <rmrfslash> ok.
[01:28] <rmrfslash> that was fun
[01:29] <Loctrice> cannot connect to x server, couldnt attach to DCOP server, cant contact kdeinit!, xprop: unable to open display , kdeinit: $DISPLAY is not set, kpersonolizer not found! please install to properly configure user
[01:29] <^Ch0ps> what distro are you running Loctrice?
[01:30] <Loctrice> could not install irssi , kpersonolizer, nvidia-glx, or anything else
[01:30] <Loctrice> kubuntu 8.04
[01:30] <^Ch0ps> oh right
[01:30] <Dr_Willis_AAO> and why could you not do that?
[01:30] <^Ch0ps> did you try to boot to the live cd first?
[01:30] <Loctrice> I have tried ubuntu and debian as well
[01:31] <Dr_Willis_AAO> sudo apt-get install irssi failed for some reason?
[01:31] <Loctrice> yup. so did install mail, or anything else I tried
[01:31] <Dr_Willis_AAO> and the error message it gave was?
[01:31] <Loctrice> ^Ch0ps: I only have a cd for debian
[01:32] <Loctrice> could not find "whatever you are trying to download"
[01:32] <tijucas> Loctrice: is the network up?
[01:32] <Loctrice> or something like that
[01:32] <wartalker> firefox doen not support scim, someone help
[01:32] <Loctrice> *looks around*
[01:32] <Loctrice> I think so. I am online now
[01:32] <^Ch0ps> do you have proper repositories in your sources.list
[01:32] <^Ch0ps> ?
[01:32] <tijucas> :)
[01:32] <Loctrice> I have no idea. I am no admin
[01:32] <^Ch0ps> ah
[01:32] <^Ch0ps> so let's go back to the start then
[01:33] <Dr_Willis_AAO> what are you then? its your system. isent it? if so you are the admin. :)
[01:33] <^Ch0ps> you installed Kubuntu yourself?
[01:33] <Loctrice> I used wubi
[01:33] <Dr_Willis_AAO> if you are toying with the x configs..you got admin rights. :)
[01:33] <^Ch0ps> wubi?
[01:33] <Loctrice> lol, ty Dr_Willis
[01:33] <^Ch0ps> yikes.. ubuntu installer for windows
[01:33] <Loctrice> yeah, I got it from the about linux site.
[01:33] <^Ch0ps> that may be your problemo.
[01:33] <Dr_Willis_AAO> you may want to just use virtualbox and run windows nd have linux inside virtualbox till you learn it better
[01:34] <Loctrice> nuh uh, same probs with debian and I have the disk
[01:34] <^Ch0ps> how did you install Debian?
[01:34] <Loctrice> I stuck the disk in
[01:34] <Dr_Willis_AAO> Your whole 'problem' if i rember is that you need to get your nvidia drivers installed.
[01:34] <Loctrice> particioned space and installed
[01:34] <Loctrice> Dr_Willis: yup, thats where we left off last time
[01:35] <tijucas> it may work with vesa driver..
[01:35] <Dr_Willis_AAO> if you had debian installed.. and removed.. you dident need to use3 wubi. you could ofinstalled over the debian parittions
[01:35] <Loctrice> I got the system, can use the command lines
[01:35] <Loctrice> cant get the desktop to load though
[01:35] <Dr_Willis_AAO> to install stuff from the internet. You may need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the first line with the CDROM entry
[01:35] <Dr_Willis_AAO> you dont want touse the cdrom unless you have to
[01:35] <rmrfslash> Dr_Willis_AAO: the acer aspire one is a mini notebook
[01:35] <tijucas> hum..
[01:35] <rmrfslash> :-\
[01:36] <Dr_Willis_AAO> rmrfslash:  yes it is :)
[01:36] <AlexZion> hi , I have a simple question..., where I can manage which service has to run on startup ?
[01:36] <rmrfslash> sorry for ragging on those
[01:36] <^Ch0ps> Loctrice: if you type less /etc/apt/sources.list, what does it say?
[01:36] <Dr_Willis_AAO> !sysv
[01:36] <Dr_Willis_AAO> rmrfslash:  i plan on keeping mine and getting a newer one when i get my $$ saved up.
[01:36] <^Ch0ps> AlexZion: Which distro?
[01:36] <Dr_Willis_AAO> it does exactly what i need.
[01:36] <AlexZion> Kubuntu 8.10
[01:36] <rmrfslash> except has like a 3 inch screen
[01:37] <shadowhywind> hay all, random issue. When i click the panel (its supposed to open up the calendar), well it doesn't. Along with the file transfer window that no longer opens up anymore either, any ideas?
[01:37] <Dr_Willis_AAO> it has a 9 in screen that is plenty for my needs
[01:37] <Loctrice> ok, any other ideas?
[01:37] <rmrfslash> my bad
[01:37] <Dr_Willis_AAO> and it dosent hurt my back to carry it around.
[01:37] <rmrfslash> 9 in.
[01:37] <Dr_Willis_AAO> AND it fits in my lunchbox. :)
[01:37] <rmrfslash> true
[01:37] <rmrfslash> hahaha
[01:37] <tijucas> hehe
[01:37] <rmrfslash> and fits in my man purse
[01:37] <rmrfslash> kidding
[01:37] <Dr_Willis_AAO> Now if i could figure how to build it INTo the lunchbox.
[01:37] <Dr_Willis_AAO> I got a rather large lunch box.
[01:37] <rmrfslash> just google images of food
[01:37] <Dr_Willis_AAO> My AAO is hot pink. :)
[01:38] <wartalker> when i log out, then log in, the knetmanager become a widget, not in tray, how can i repair this
[01:38] <rmrfslash> nice
[01:38] <Loctrice> ok, so I guess I'm back to take out the first line of the /etc/apt/sources.list and have another go at it
[01:38] <Loctrice> thanks again ppl
[01:38] <tijucas> just remove
[01:38] <Loctrice> me?
[01:39] <tijucas> and type sudo apt-get update
[01:39] <rmrfslash> oo check this out... the ubuntu laptop testing team
[01:39] <Loctrice> sudo apt-get update
[01:39] <Loctrice> alright
[01:39] <rmrfslash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[01:39] <tijucas> then install what you want..
[01:39] <^Ch0ps> AlexZion: /etc/rcS.d is the list of services
[01:39] <^Ch0ps> but from the gui
[01:39] <^Ch0ps> you can click K -> System Settings -> Advanced -> System Services
[01:40] <rmrfslash> I like HPs new advertising
[01:40] <^Ch0ps> Then you get the big list of services, and one of the options is Start at Boot
[01:40] <Loctrice> I would drive over and punch my  mom right now if you said it'd get my linux working. I am at whits end
[01:40] <^Ch0ps> But a note, AlexZion: You will have to click the Administrator Mode button
[01:40] <Loctrice> ok, Im out to try again again
[01:40] <AlexZion> ok , but there is a file to say , for example, mysql not on boot , apache yes on boot
[01:40] <tijucas> hum.
[01:41] <^Ch0ps> you would want to change that through the GUI, best bet
[01:41] <tijucas> try '/etc/init.d/kdm restart'
[01:41] <rmrfslash> I like how no one bothers to test extended desktop monitors
[01:41] <tijucas> Loctrice: do you install with gui installer??
[01:41] <rmrfslash> oh wait, some people do
[01:42] <AlexZion> I mean , I wonna just avoid apache2 and mysql to run on the startup
[01:42] <^Ch0ps> okay, so then you can do this:
[01:43] <^Ch0ps> AlexZion:  you can click K -> System Settings -> Advanced -> System Services - find httpd, uncheck the "Start during boot" checkbox, do the same for MySQL
[01:44] <^Ch0ps> the command shortcut for the services box is serviceconfig (no sudo required)
[01:44] <^Ch0ps> wait a minute, yes sudo is required
[01:44] <^Ch0ps> brb
[01:45] <AlexZion> there aren't ......
[01:46] <AlexZion> no http or mysql are prensenton the list ...
[01:46] <AlexZion> but they are running .....
[01:46] <victlo> hello
[01:51] <AlexZion> there isn't another tool to manage all the services !?! , otherwise a file to edit ..... ?
[01:52] <^Ch0ps> gimme a sec, I don't have apache or mysql installed on my desktop
[01:52] <^Ch0ps> I'm installing apache now to see if I can see anything different
[01:54] <^Ch0ps> if it comes down to it, you may have to remove their soft links from the /etc/rcS.d directory, but you shouldn't have to
[01:57] <AlexZion> I'm just looking for an easy way to manage stop|start services like those one .....
[01:58] <^Ch0ps> after I installed httpd I have apache2 in my services list
[01:58] <^Ch0ps> the easiest way is just to use /etc/init.d/mysql stop and apache2ctl stop at startup
[01:58] <AlexZion> well actually to manage the start on boot of the services ...,otehrwise I do by konsole
[01:58] <^Ch0ps> you could put it in your bashrc
[01:59] <AlexZion> what is "bashrc" ?
[01:59] <^Ch0ps> it's the script that sets up your session
[01:59] <^Ch0ps> if you do a vim .bashrc
[01:59] <^Ch0ps> you will see how it sets up your environment
[02:00] <^Ch0ps> if you add two lines: /etc/init.d/mysqld stop and apache2ctl stop, then that should take care of it
[02:00] <Loctrice> narg
[02:04] <wartalker> when i log out, then log in, the netmanager icon not in the tray, it become a widget, how to repair it
[02:06] <AlexZion> ok I did , I'll try to restart , thank a lot Ch0ps .....
[02:06] <^Ch0ps> no prob man, I hope it works
[02:32] <mar> anyone know how to figure out which application is using the soundcard (artsd)?
[02:48] <richgar1982> does anybody knows how can I fix Okular ?? When I enable emerald the window decorator for Okular just desappear
[02:49] <richgar1982> can anybody help me please???
[02:50] <richgar1982> heeyyy!!!
[02:53] <SJrX> Hmmmmm KNetworkManager seems to be broken, it doesn't see or do anything for wireless.
[02:57] <mefisto__> SJrX: I'm not a wireless user so I don't know how it works with wireless, but you might want to try installing netgo. I was playing with it yesterday and it seems like it would do similar to knetworkmanager
[03:03] <Kbeville> i am connected to my windows media center server via wireless network , i am using xbmc to look at my movies .Why do xbmc keep cutting off in the middle of the movie  how   can i fix it??
[03:03] <wartalker> firefox does not support scim, someone help
[03:06] <mefisto__> SJrX: there's also wicd, which many people say is a great knetworkmanager replacement. but it's not in intrepid repos. there's a wicd repo you can add to your sources.list http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php
[03:07] <Slartibartfast> wartalker: Does scim work in other programs?
[03:20] <SJrX> Thanks mefisto__
[03:32] <PodeCoet> Is there any such thing as a plugin for firefox (or Konq) that tells you the progress of a HTTP upload, ie: to youtube?
[03:32] <PodeCoet> ancient browsers like Aweb and IBrowse on the Amiga did this :\
[03:35] <lucas_> hi. i have 2 sound devices in multimedia. but in my machine i only have the motherboard's built-in sound chip
[03:39] <impy> Is there any programms to save my setup(programs, themes,  etc) and revert back to it incase something goes bad?
[03:39] <PodeCoet> ghost4linux? It'll image your whole drive, very space consuming though
[03:39] <lucas_> hi. i have 2 sound devices in multimedia. but in my machine i only have the motherboard's built-in sound chip. here is a screenshot: http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4644/instantnea1.png
[03:39] <PodeCoet> also you'll need a second drive to store the image, or a network share, etc
[03:40] <lucas_> maybe it's because of a bad alsa config?
[03:40] <faileas> impy: do you need to do it on a live system?
[03:40] <impy> What do you mean by live system?
[03:40] <faileas> while using it
[03:41] <impy> Oh, no
[03:41] <PodeCoet> yes, you boot off a liveCD
[03:41] <PodeCoet> http://www.osalt.com/ghost
[03:41] <faileas> try clonezilla or PING
[03:41] <PodeCoet> g4u and partimage are the ones you want
[03:41] <PodeCoet> or faileas's suggestion :p
[03:41] <impy> What one is the simplest?
[03:41] <faileas> clonezilla has a gui ;p
[03:41] <faileas> i think
[03:42] <impy> Will I be able to boot from that app from a usb stick?
[03:42] <PodeCoet> impy: review of clonezilla: http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/?p=581
[03:43] <PodeCoet> impy: you'd be complicating things alot by trying to boot off a flashdisk
[03:43] <PodeCoet> you might as well use DD for the cloning then :P
[03:43] <impy> DD?
[03:43] <impy> I'm on an eeePC, no CD drive
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[03:43] <PodeCoet> oh
[03:43] <PodeCoet> yeah, uhh
[03:44]  * PodeCoet runs
[03:47] <sille> so excited i got MY nick back!!!  :)         --------------------------->>>>>>>>>> how to remove drive icons on desktop??
[03:51] <SJrX> Why does DeviceNotifier default to Dolphin instead of Konqueror, I can't find the file Association for it.
[03:55] <lucas_> hi. i have 2 sound devices in multimedia. but in my machine i only have the motherboard's built-in sound chip. here is a screenshot: http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4644/instantnea1.png
[03:56] <sille> anyone have their ears on ???
[03:59] <goofey> lucas_: don't you have to choose between the 2 sounds devices in your bios?
[04:00] <lucas_> goofey: no. if you take a look at the screenshots the devices listed are the same.
[04:00] <lucas_> *equal
[04:01] <goofey> lucas_: is it true that your onboard and sound card bot have the same type of audio chip?
[04:01] <goofey> er, both
[04:03] <Loctrice> no dice, and no internet
[04:03] <Loctrice> so I guess I'm just stuck
[04:03] <lucas_> goofey: i only have the on-board chip as i said. no sound card
[04:04] <goofey> lucas_: ahhhh - now I get it - i misunderstood
[04:04] <goofey> lucas_: sorry
[04:04] <Loctrice> I cant get a desktop for some reason, been working on the driver and the xorg.config file for days. there's nothing left to add to the file, and I cant download anything cause it wont connect to my router
[04:05] <lucas_> goofey: as you can see there is at least one device that shoudn't be listed there
[04:06] <goofey> lucas_: agreed - i have no clue how to fix that....
[04:09] <^Ch0ps> Loctrice, what happens when you check your interfaces using ifconfig?
[04:09] <^Ch0ps> are you wireless or wired?
[04:09] <harolddong> how can I add my google calendar to kmail?  I could do it fine in kde3 by adding it as an exernal resource but in 4.2 it doesnt seem to work.
[04:12] <Loctrice> I'm wireless
[04:13] <BentFranklin> I have a problem with adept on one computer.  Nothing can see apache2 or lots of other packages.  How do I check the sources?  Also, the appearance of adept on this system is markedly different from that on another Kubuntu 8.10 ssytem I have.  Here is what adept look like on the system where it works: http://preview.tinyurl.com/a9oquv.  Here is what it looks like on the system where it fails:  http://preview.tinyurl.com/bqc
[04:13] <BentFranklin> are nominally the same release.  How can they look and act dsod differently?
[04:13] <Loctrice> I tried the pppoed for the dsl connection and it wouldnt connect. it shows my devices
[04:18] <BentFranklin> On both of those screenshots I have clicked the View menu item.  On the failing adept the entire View dropdown is the little circle thatta arrow points to.
[04:33] <michael__> Is akonadi supposed to have a huge directory? My akonadi directory in .local is > 182MB, and I have nowhere near that much PIM data.
[04:33] <sparr> how can i make CD/DVDs mount when I insert them, and umount when I press the eject button?  kubuntu default seems to be to only mount them when i click the entry on 'devices recently plugged in', and only unmount via software
[04:38] <DaSkreech> popey: hello
[04:42] <desja004> how come if i want to install firefox in 8.10 it will take up 142MB!
[04:42] <desja004> why does it install so many gnome dependencies?
[04:43] <yao_ziyuan> anyone using kubuntu 7.10?
[04:43] <ljbt> join #colombia
[04:43] <DaSkreech> desja004: Ubuntu recommends ubufox which installs all of Gnome
[04:44] <ljbt> sorry
[04:44] <DaSkreech> ljbt: No problem mistakes happen
[04:44] <desja004> how can i install it w/o ubufox? i just want firefox ... would it be better for me to just roll my own for their website if i don't want all this stuff?
[04:46] <ljbt> i'm trying to enter to Dalnet server but i cant
[04:46] <ljbt> why is that?
[04:46] <ljbt> any body knows?
[04:48] <DaSkreech> desja004: Install from the command line
[04:49] <desja004> DaSkreech: that's what i get when i do sudo apt-get install firefox
[04:49] <DaSkreech> desja004: --no-install-recommends
[04:50] <desja004> DaSkreech: thanks that's much better :)
[04:51] <DaSkreech> desja004: Yeah apparently having KDE is a bug
[04:51] <zer0o> hi guys, is there an open source software as an alternative to skype?
[04:51] <zer0o> that of course works with skype contacts etc (like pidgin with msn messenger for example)
[04:51] <desja004> DaSkreech: he he
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Kopete does Skype but I don't think that you will see it before KDE 4.3
[04:52] <zer0o> anything else?
[04:52] <zer0o> cuz the thing is
[04:52] <desja004> DaSkreech: you don't happen to know the status of firefox-qt do you?
[04:52] <zer0o> i found out that skupe "spies" u so i want to get rid of it
[04:52] <zer0o> using another software but the same protocol
[04:54] <Guest99494> FUCK YOU ALL
[04:56] <EtFb> !ops
[04:56] <nalioth> EtFb: the guy left
[04:57] <wartalker> when i log out , then log in , the network icon not in the tray, it become a widget, how can i do
[04:57] <EtFb> So he did.  Sorry, I have my system messages separate from my chat ones.  Never mind then.  Sorry to disturb.
[04:57] <maco> wartalker: what?
[04:57] <EtFb> zer0o: What sort of spying are you talking about?  Do you have a credible link describing it?
[04:58] <Rainium_Isotope_> hey does anyone know why the bottom task bar in kde4 would not be visible?
[04:59] <wartalker> if i not restart kde, only log out then log in, the network-manager become a widget, not a icon in tray
[04:59] <Rainium_Isotope_> HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT KDE4, can anyone help?
[05:00] <wartalker> maco: if i not restart kde, only log out then log in, the network-manager become a widget, not a icon in tray
[05:00] <bazhang> Rainium_Isotope_, please lose the caps
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Rainium_Isotope_: Don't know till you ask now do we?
[05:01] <Rainium_Isotope_> just trying to get some attention..
[05:01] <Rainium_Isotope_> i asked..
[05:01] <zer0o> EtFb: http://www.pagetable.com/?p=27
[05:01] <DaSkreech> zer0o: If they do spy it's on a server level logging in from any client will have the same effect
[05:01] <Rainium_Isotope_> why wouldnt the taskbar in kde4 be visible?
[05:01] <maco> wartalker: er...a plasmoid you mean?
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Rainium_Isotope_: You deleted it or hid it?
[05:02] <maco> Rainium_Isotope_: the whole panel or the task manager? either way, what DaSkreech said
[05:02] <Rainium_Isotope_> nope..
[05:02] <Rainium_Isotope_> the whole panel
[05:02] <maco> right click the desktop and add a panel widget
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Rainium_Isotope_: and it's not hidden? When you put your mouse at the edge of he screen it doesn't come back?
[05:03] <zer0o> DaSkreech: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/07/0146245 (not talkin about that, that is for sure!!! but they spy personal info and specifics from the BIOS etc)
[05:03] <Rainium_Isotope_> nope.
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Rainium_Isotope_: you probably just deleted it then
[05:04] <Rainium_Isotope_> any idea about how to get it back?
[05:04] <wartalker> maco: i mean if i restart, the network-manager icon is in tray, if log out then log in, the icon disppear, it become a widget, not plasmoid
[05:06] <maco> er...im gonna guess you're using kde3 if there are widgets...
[05:06] <maco> i have no idea how to use kde3
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Rainium_Isotope_: RIght click the desktop and add panel
[05:06] <wartalker> maco: kde4.2, fresh install
[05:06] <Rainium_Isotope_> alright cool, lemme get on the kde desktop and if it doesnt work ill get back on, grazie
[05:07] <maco> wartalker: is it the plasmoid-network-manager its switching to?
[05:07] <maco> from knetworkmanager?
[05:08] <zer0o> EtFb: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=95261
[05:08] <zer0o> DaSkreech: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=95261
[05:08] <wartalker> i think it knetworkmanager, it is the default
[05:08] <maco> knetworkmanager is being replaced in kde 4.2 with plasmoid-network-manager, i think
[05:09] <maco> at least thats what seems to be happening in jaunty. knm isnt even installed by default anymore
[05:09] <wartalker> maco: it is knetworkmanager, i ps aux it
[05:10] <maco> is this an upgrade from kde 3 or a clean intrepid or jaunty install?
[05:10] <wartalker> maco:i install from cd, it is 4.1, then update to 4.2
[05:10] <BentFranklin> I have a problem with adept on one computer.  It can't find apache2
[05:10] <BentFranklin> or lots of other packages.  How do I check the sources?  Also, the
[05:10] <BentFranklin> appearance of adept on this system is markedly different from that on
[05:10] <BentFranklin> another Kubuntu 8.10 system I have.
[05:11] <maco> why is that 4 lines?
[05:11] <BentFranklin> sorry I pasted it in from an emacs buffer
[05:12] <maco> your sources are in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:12] <BentFranklin> Here is what adept looks like on the system where it works: http://preview.tinyurl.com/a9oquv.  Here is what it looks like on the system where it fails: http://preview.tinyurl.com/bqcezh.  Both are nominally the same release.  How can they look and act so differently?
[05:13] <BentFranklin> sources.list is the same on both computers
[05:13] <DaSkreech> BentFranklin: run sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[05:14] <sparr> I have been dist-upgrade'ing since breezy, cruft is starting to become a problem, and I know I am missing out on some of the newest features.  I think I am going to reinstall for jaunty.
[05:14] <maco> sparr: breezy? wow
[05:15] <sparr> before kubuntu i was using debian for about 4 years, one reinstall around the middle of that too
[05:15] <sparr> ubuntu devs seem to pay a lot less attention to upgrades
[05:15] <EtFb> zer0o: From a quick read of the comments on those posts, I think Skype isn't doing anything unreasonable.  After all, even ls reads /etc/passwd at times, for legitimate reasons.  I think you need to stop worrying.
[05:15]  * EtFb loves Big Brother!
[05:16] <zer0o> EtFb: have u read this? http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=95261
[05:17] <BentFranklin> DaSkreech:  Okay I did that, I assum I shoudl fetch sources again?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> BentFranklin: sure
[05:17] <SuspectZero> how can i add a mac partition to fstab?
[05:18] <DaSkreech> EtFb: Mozilla?
[05:18] <DaSkreech> SuspectZero: The same way tht you mount it
[05:18] <SuspectZero> no i mean does it need somehting special?
[05:18] <SuspectZero> cause ntfs has ntfs-3g
[05:20] <BentFranklin> DaSkreeck - same result.  I think I may need to remove adept and reinstall it.  On both of those screenshots I have clicked the View menu item.  On the failing adept the entire View dropdown is the little circle that the arrow points to.
[05:20] <DaSkreech> SuspectZero: ntfs would work as well ntfs-3g just gives you more features
[05:20] <SuspectZero> ah i see.
[05:20] <SuspectZero> cool i think i got it
[05:20] <SuspectZero> thanks
[05:21] <DaSkreech> BentFranklin: hmm maybe or learn apt :)
[05:21] <BentFranklin> I've been all through this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto
[05:22] <BentFranklin> oh, apt also fails to see apache2
[05:22] <sparr> maco: you ever notice that upgrading causes you to miss out on things?
[05:22] <sparr> i know that kde 4 isn't ready, but i suspect i am getting an even shorter end of the stick than intended due to my upgrade path
[05:24] <DaSkreech> BentFranklin: apt-cache search apache2 shows nothing ?
[05:24] <DaSkreech> sparr: What are you doing?
[05:24] <sparr> DaSkreech: upgrading for "too long"
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[05:25] <BentFranklin> er, that used to be the case, now I found it.  I guess adept is falling apart.  What's supposed to replace it?
[05:25] <buckethead> Doh. I've been wrestling with nfs for an hour.. Forgot to poke a firewall hole. What port range is nfs on?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> BentFranklin: kpackagekit
[05:26] <sparr> DaSkreech: when upgrading, old configuration affects new versions, often causing new features to be missed.  this happens more often in ubuntu than debian, in my experience, and i think that after long enough it becomes a problem worthy of a reinstall
[05:26] <DaSkreech> sparr: agreed
[05:27] <DaSkreech> What I do is just move the config files
[05:27] <DaSkreech> So things pick up fresh configs then copy across the stuff that I needed
[05:27] <BentFranklin> Thanks DaSkreech, the xapian commend worked.  How did you know?  I googled quite a bit for answers.
[05:28] <sparr> well, there's also the matter of package cruft
[05:28] <sparr> ive picked up a lot of packages i never needed, or dont need any more
[05:28] <DaSkreech> BentFranklin: Cause Adept sometimes doesn't rebuild the xapian database after it does an update mostly after you add new servers
[05:28] <DaSkreech> sparr: Debian isn't immune to that either :)
[05:28] <sparr> every upgrade i see more stuff in my startup/shutdown output that doesn't belong
[05:28] <sparr> not immune, but better
[05:28] <DaSkreech> Well it takes a longer time between upgrades
[05:29] <sparr> ubuntu, as a community of developers, seems to put a lot more work into the new user experience than into upgrades
[05:29] <sparr> not fair to compare ubuntu releases to debian releases
[05:29] <DaSkreech> Ubuntu is a little spastisic monkey in comparison
[05:29] <sparr> ubuntu releases "more often", but debian has rolling targets (testing and unstable) that i love dearly and wish ubuntu had equivalents for
[05:29] <DaSkreech> sparr: Yeah :)
[05:29] <buckethead> LOL @ little spastic monkey.
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Well if debian is a better fit for you please use it
[05:30] <sparr> then again, my sources list would make most devs cry  :)
[05:30] <faileas> sparr: well technically, ubuntu is snapshots of sid that have been cleaned up
[05:30] <faileas> and didn't debian just release lenny after like... 5 years? ;p
[05:30] <sparr> i am currently mixing ubuntu feisty, intrepid, jaunty, debian experimental, unstable, testing, damn small linux, and at least 20 other distro-neutral repos
[05:31] <faileas> o0
[05:31] <DaSkreech> distro neutral ?
[05:31] <sparr> my pinning configuration is...  non-trivial :)
[05:31]  * faileas runs ubuntu, and compiles what he can't get on a repo himself
[05:31] <sparr> which is annoying, since there are like 3 people on the planet who actually understand the contents of apt/preferences
[05:32] <sparr> one of the least well documented parts of debian/apt
[05:39] <BentFranklin> It works!
[05:39] <BentFranklin> Thanks DaSkreech for the Drano
[05:41] <DaSkreech> BentFranklin: Duckneck is better!
[05:41] <BentFranklin> LOL! later
[05:42] <steve_baker> hi all
[05:42] <steve_baker> new to kubuntu and want to get a bluetooth headset working
[05:43] <steve_baker> looks like maybe kde bluetooth framework is the way to go?
[05:48] <DaSkreech> !bluetooth
[05:51] <Slartibartfast> steve_baker: seems bluetooth is not working well in kde 4
[05:51] <steve_baker> good thing i'm not using 4 :)
[05:52] <Slartibartfast> steve_baker: yeah ... lucky b%$#^d :-)
[05:52] <steve_baker> lol
[06:14] <dev_> ircd.conf  help
[06:15] <faileas> dev_: which server ?
[06:15] <faileas> server/services
[06:34] <COm_BOY> Hello anyone having experience with Yersinia tool
[06:34] <COm_BOY> I have installed it using the repo but i find it in the Internet section in the start menu
[06:36] <DaSkreech> !info yersina
[06:38] <COm_BOY> I installed it
[06:38] <COm_BOY> using ADEPT
[06:38] <COm_BOY> in Kubuntu
[06:38] <COm_BOY> it was installed...
[06:39] <COm_BOY> okey can you guys tell me some other tools which can easily penetrate into Cisco network and can be installed on Kubuntu
[06:40] <DaSkreech> COm_BOY: What is it?
[06:40] <COm_BOY> Yersinia is a Network penetration tool......... I cant run it , so can you guys recommend me some other
[06:41] <COm_BOY> ?
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Why can't you run it?
[06:47]  * obzolete_ ;f
[06:48] <COm_BOY> I cant see it in the Internet section
[06:48] <Tm_T> COm_BOY: penetration means in this case what exactly?
[06:48] <COm_BOY> Network Attacking toools like Nessus , Core Impact etc
[06:49] <Tm_T> COm_BOY: sounds like illegal activities or similar
[06:49] <COm_BOY> no I m making it Ethical way
[06:49] <COm_BOY> I want to scan my network , for loopholes
[06:49] <Tm_T> I see
[06:49] <COm_BOY> there are professionals called Penetration Testers
[06:49] <COm_BOY> they also do simillar activities.. to secure the network
[06:49] <Tm_T> I know (:
[06:49] <COm_BOY> now i want some tools for these kind of activities
[06:49] <COm_BOY> i cant run Yersinia
[06:50] <COm_BOY> the main core objective is to penetrate Cisco networks
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Not necesserialy
[06:51] <DaSkreech> COm_BOY: Run from the command line
[06:51] <rgreening> COm_BOY: how about packit
[06:51] <COm_BOY> packit is a tool ?
[06:52] <COm_BOY> okey tell me if i installed Yersinia , what would be the default directory it got installed
[06:52] <rgreening> yes, and its in the Ubuntu repos
[06:52] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: I know, was just checking
[06:52] <DaSkreech> COm_BOY: You don't need to know that I think. HOw did you say you installed it?
[06:54] <COm_BOY> from Adept
[06:54] <tyler_d> why is it when I do nslookup mail.myserver.com I get Address:        192.168.22.136#53 -- this is the internal address of my server... but whats with the #53?
[06:55] <rgreening> yersinia is in the repos too... to run it, kdesudo yersernia -G
[06:55] <rgreening> COm_BOY: ^
[06:56] <rgreening> sry; kdesudo yersinia -G
[06:56] <rgreening> for the GTK gui or open a konsole and type sudo yersinia -h for commandline options.
[06:57] <DaSkreech> !info yersinia
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Ah
[06:58] <COm_BOY> THanks DUDE
[06:58] <COm_BOY> Thanks Rgreening
[06:58] <rgreening> np
[07:00] <noaXess> hi all
[07:00] <noaXess> today, if i do a sudo apt-get update i get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/125150/
[07:04] <noaXess> but which source, third party source has a problem? which key is wring?
[07:04] <zzillezz> why is there no automatic mentioning of hardware drivers like nvidia with jaunty alpha5 ?
[07:04] <zzillezz> and when i run Hardware Drivers manually, it just hangs
[07:05] <sille> anyone know how to  get rid of driver icons on desktop??
[07:10] <SandGorgon> guys.. are all of you guys using phonon-gstreamer or have you switched to phonon-vlc / phonon-mplayer ? I heard that the vlc/mplayer backends are much better, but because of the licensing issues .. is not enabled by default
[07:17] <wire> how can I check to see if I have hardware accelerated graphics?
[07:18] <wire> I've installed the ATI graphics drivers with the hardware drivers app, but things are still slow and the effects don't look right
[07:18] <zzillezz>  at least it works with you :-)
[07:18] <wire> well, something crashed when it was installing
[07:19] <wire> but I rebooted and it says the driver is enabled
[07:19] <ash211> you can get a rough idea of graphics acceleration by running glxgears
[07:19] <ash211> of course, you're not supposed to be using that for benchmarking :)
[07:20] <wire> I just want to see if I have any sort of 3d (or 2d) acceleration
[07:20] <wire> but I don't think I do
[07:20] <zzillezz> alright, it's the belgium mirror that is down
[07:20] <wire> ok, looking at the krash report, it says kmix was the app that crashed
[07:20] <ash211> hmm, it's been a while but try looking at glxinfo
[07:21] <zzillezz> reboot
[07:21] <wire> well I tried a reboot after the driver install but no change
[07:22] <wire> glxinfo returned a lot of info
[07:22] <wire> what should I be looking for in there?
[07:22] <ash211> I don't know offhand
[07:23] <ash211> check the manpages or google would be my next step
[07:24] <wire> momentarily corrupted video on gui effects, is that a known problem?
[07:24] <Slartibartfast> wire ... do in a terminal "glxinfo|grep direct"
[07:24] <wire> that's the most noticable issue, other than that it's just suffering from a low framerate
[07:25] <wire> It says "Yes" and has all the right stuff about Open GL and the right graphics "Radeon Express"
[07:25] <Slartibartfast> here it give the output: direct rendering: Yes
[07:26] <wire> it did for me, too
[07:26] <wire> or Radeon Xpress, heh sorry
[07:26] <Slartibartfast> Then maybe you need an other ATI drive for your card
[07:26] <wire> that's what I get for not c&p
[07:27] <wire> this was the autodetected driver
[07:27] <zzillezz> hmmm, automatic updates still doesn't work
[07:27] <wire> should I be trying one directly from ati?
[07:27] <wire> I mean, all indications are that it's installed correctly but it still doesn't help
[07:29] <Slartibartfast> Not really sure wire, but you can try it
[07:35] <wire> heh well I was just looking through the ubuntu forums for my card (200M) and "It probably will not boot into a graphical interface by default and I have yet to encounter a person with that card who successfully got their 3d acceleration working."
[07:35] <wire> so that doesn't look promising at all
[07:35] <wire> at least it looks like the gui boot bug was solved
[07:39] <Slartibartfast> wire: to bad :-(
[07:46] <sille> how to get rid of drive icons on desktop...?
[07:49] <Slartibartfast> sille: which version ?
[07:52] <wire> this should be dead simple, but I can't find it ... how do I reduce the sensitivity of the touchpad?
[07:53] <wire> I'm looking in keyboard and mouse, but there's not the 'speed' slider I thought there might be
[07:56] <wire> ah, I think Advanced > Pointer acceleration is the option I was looking for
[07:56] <wire> feature request: make it a slider
[07:57] <wire> hah, of course, that might be a challenge to set when the mouse is flying across the screen
[08:03] <sille> Slartibartfast: sorry took so long to respond... had a "birdy" emergency....  had to seperate my 2 cockateils... lets just say they weren't fighting   :)
[08:03] <sille> Slartibartfast: i believe version is feisty... ye i know.. it is no longer supported
[08:04] <sille> have old pc with few resources... i dont think newer version would run very well on this system.
[08:05] <Slartibartfast> what drive icons you don't want to get displayed on the desktop?
[08:06] <sille> Slartibartfast:  my /, and bot mounted drives. want to keep fairy clean desktop
[08:07] <sille> Slartibartfast: oops... and both (2) mounted drives.
[08:07] <Slartibartfast> i know evrything what gets mounted in the /media directory gets  displayed on the desktop .... so maybe the other mounted directories you can mount on /mnt instead
[08:08] <Slartibartfast> But i thought there was also some option somewhere in the settings ..... but feisty is long ago for me :-)
[08:08] <sille> ok.  the / of course is root directory.   since it is my OS, dos this need to be mounted?\
[08:08] <alexshenoy> anybody running 4.2 on 8.10?
[08:09] <Slartibartfast> yes ... / should be mounted
[08:09] <Slartibartfast> :-)
[08:09] <sille> heh...he...
[08:09] <alexshenoy> well i can't seem to compile new plasmoids.
[08:10] <alexshenoy> and i was wondering if somebody else had this problem and new how to fix it
[08:10] <alexshenoy> knew*
[08:11] <alexshenoy> my best guess is that cmake is missing some files. but ive uninstalled and reinstalled all the libraries. so i really dont know what to do next
[08:13] <sille> Slartibartfast: if i just delete teh icons on teh desktop, does it delete teh drive or is the icon on teh desktop a shortcut?
[08:15] <wire> well, it kinda worked
[08:16] <Slartibartfast> sille, i think it is a shortcut .... but if you delete them from the desktop i think they will re-appear with you next login :-) ..... although not sure
[08:17] <wire> I used ati-driver-installer-8.28.8 (for Radeon Xpress 200) and now I have some 3d effects
[08:17] <wartalker> knetworkmanager icon sometime not in the tray, it like a normal window, someone help
[08:17] <wire> the alt-tab flipper works and so does window transparency
[08:18] <DaSkreech> sille: driver icons?
[08:18] <wire> however, the 2d rendering is still slow and broken
[08:18] <Slartibartfast> No drive / partition icons on the feisty desktop
[08:20] <DaSkreech> ok
[08:22] <sille> DaSkreech: yes... my mounted drives (partitions shw on my desktop.  i really don't mind too much that my utility (mp3/avi) partitions show.. however, i would rather not have y root drive "/" showing on the destop as a shortcut..
[08:23] <DaSkreech> Ok I think that's done by hal
[08:24] <sille> hal?
[08:25] <bothorsen> sille: hal = hardware abstraction layer, the system that handle hardware that can come and go
[08:37] <wildbat> what is the commanline to install .deb file?
[08:37] <alexshenoy> sudo dpkg -i file
[08:38] <wildbat> ^^ thnx ~ good know ~ better then just double click ^^
[08:39] <alexshenoy> no problem
[08:44] <rhw1989> #ubuntu
[09:02] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[09:05] <ct529> hi everybody
[09:06] <wildbat> hi
[09:15] <ActionParsnip1> howdy
[09:17] <ct529> Parsnip: not bad .... :D .... have you had a good weekend?
[09:19] <ActionParsnip1> just chillin, clearing up the mess my co-workers should have done
[09:21] <ActionParsnip1> you?
[09:36] <Laeborg> I can't login in my kubuntu, after I have tried to install libplasma and some compiz packages. I come to the KDM login screen, enter my password, and click enter, but then the screen is being black, and after ~2 sec im back to the login screen.
[09:39] <wartalker> Laeborg: i have this problem, and i enter recovery mode, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-destop repair it
[09:39] <wartalker> Laeborg: maybe you remove something
[09:39] <Laeborg> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop repair ?
[09:40] <wartalker> yes
[09:40] <Laeborg> repair to last ?
[09:41] <wartalker> Laeborg: you can try sudo apt-get install -f
[09:41] <Laeborg> okay thanks, will try that
[09:42] <siva> hi hello i need skype
[09:42] <siva> any help as to how?
[09:42] <Tm_T> !skype | siva
[09:42] <siva> i don't see it in the usual packages
[09:42] <siva> quck help..thnx
[09:43] <Tm_T> siva: what is thnx?
[09:43] <siva> thank you in short
[09:43] <Tm_T> siva: ah, I prefer proper words in those cases (:
[09:44] <siva> sorry man i got this nagging problem of typing in short words
[09:52] <pfarmer> Hi all, when I do a "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/m60411392 - can anyone suggest a fix?
[10:03] <ActionParsnip1> pfarmer: try: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:04] <ActionParsnip1> pfarmer: ive never used safe-upgrade
[10:05] <stefanro> Hi all, i just installed kubuntu 9.04 and now i now can't reboot from the desktop
[10:05] <stefanro> clicking on "Restart", "Shutdown" or even "Logout" seems to have no effect
[10:05] <stefanro> has anybody seen this behaviour before? any ideas?
[10:05] <pfarmer> ActionParsnip1: Thanks, but - http://pastebin.com/m27628631
[10:07] <ActionParsnip1> pfarmer: you could use apt-get to download the deb file and then run: dpkg --force-all -i <deb file>
[10:08] <ActionParsnip1> pfarmer: you could try renaming /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-session-manager
[10:08] <ActionParsnip1> pfarmer: just to test, if its no good, rename back
[10:13] <pfarmer> ActionParsnip1: Ok, moved x-window-manager and now kde-window-manager has installed, but still same error with kdebase-workspace-bin
[10:14] <ActionParsnip1> pfarmer: oktry renaming /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-session-manager
[10:14] <ActionParsnip1> bah
[10:14] <ActionParsnip1> pfarmer: rename that file too and rerun, see if its good
[10:14] <oobe> hello i recently did a fresh install of intrepid and i immediatly upgraded to kde 4.2 and every thing is pretty much ok but my system will randomly freeze im just wondering if anyone here has had similar issue with kde 4.2 or intrepid in general and if they might have a work around or fix
[10:15] <ActionParsnip1> oobe: have you installed video drivers?
[10:15] <oobe> ActionParsnip, yes im using nvidia
[10:15] <ActionParsnip1> oobe: did you md5 check your iso as well as verify the cd was ok on the first boot screen
[10:16] <oobe> nope but i dont think that is the problem
[10:16] <oobe> since there were no read errors
[10:16] <oobe> and the install went fine
[10:16] <pfarmer> ActionParsnip1: thanks thats worked now :)
[10:17] <ActionParsnip1> pfarmer: ok, once its all in run: sudo apt-get -f install
[10:17] <ActionParsnip1> pfarmer: just to make sure everything is square
[10:17] <pfarmer> ActionParsnip1: everything looks good now  - thanks!
[10:18] <ActionParsnip1> pfarmer: groovy
[10:18] <ActionParsnip1> pfarmer: i'd reboot to fully test but otherwise you are golden
[10:18] <pfarmer> ActionParsnip1: good call, will try that
[10:19] <ActionParsnip1> oobe: well its worth a check just to isolate it out
[10:19] <ActionParsnip1> oobe: after a slowdown occurs, read: dmesg | tail
[10:20] <oobe> yeah i do
[10:20] <oobe> unfornunatly the only things i found  were 5 or 10 mins b4
[10:21] <oobe> oh btw i mean a complete system freeze
[10:21] <oobe> like needing to hard reboot
[10:21] <shadeslayer> hi what is the package name of amarok 2.1??
[10:22] <oobe> i found somthing in my logs 5 mins prior to system freeze refering to read errors on cdrom
[10:22] <pfarmer> ActionParsnip1: all looks good :)
[10:22] <oobe> i thought that might of been it
[10:22] <ActionParsnip1> pfarmer: you win the prize
[10:23] <ActionParsnip1> :D
[10:23] <shadeslayer> and is there something like daemon tools for linux??
[10:23] <ActionParsnip1> oobe: can you ssh in from another pc to read the logs?
[10:23] <oobe> does anyone know how i can uninstall kde 4.2 and revert back to 4.1
[10:23] <shadeslayer> from which i can mount ISO's???
[10:23] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: what are you trying to achieve?
[10:23] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: linux can mount isos in the kernel
[10:24] <oobe> ActionParsnip1, i havent tried
[10:24] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip1: package name of amarok 2.1
[10:24] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip1: and mounting ISO's
[10:24] <oobe> i dont think i have ssh server installed this is a fresh install
[10:24] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: sudo mkdir /media/iso; sudo mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /media/iso
[10:24] <shadeslayer> i found the command
[10:24] <shadeslayer> ><
[10:24] <shadeslayer> ubottu:
[10:24] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:25] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: daemontools is full of nasty spyware too
[10:25] <oobe> its running a remote backend so it would be worth checking if the remote frontend can still access it when it does freeze
[10:25] <shadeslayer> hehe
[10:25] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: try magicdisk
[10:25] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: but the kernel can mount iso files itself
[10:26] <ActionParsnip1> !neon | shadeslayer
[10:27] <Slartibartfast> thanks ActionParsnip1, interesting
[10:28] <ActionParsnip1> Slartibartfast: which bit?
[10:28] <oobe> ActionParsnip, do you think it could be just my display freezing so therefore its more likely a desktop effect or nvidia driver issue
[10:29] <Slartibartfast> ActionParsnip1: about project neon ... i am not part of this discussion. But still wanted to thank you for this info :-)
[10:29] <Slartibartfast> as i said: interesting
[10:30] <ActionParsnip1> Slartibartfast: np man, absorb all the info you can :D
[10:31] <shadeslayer> ><
[10:31] <shadeslayer> sorry
[10:31] <shadeslayer> stupid powercut
[10:31] <shadeslayer> so whats the name of the amarok 2.1 package
[10:32] <ActionParsnip1> !neon
[10:32] <tabla> hi ppl
[10:32] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: read those guides
[10:32] <ActionParsnip1> !hi | tabla
[10:32] <tabla> does anyone here knows some good link how to set up vhost on ubuntu
[10:32] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip1: one more thing,i cant get my boot splash image to work
[10:32] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: it grinds my system to a halt on 1Gb ram
[10:32] <shadeslayer> 3 GB here
[10:32] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: add quiet to your boot options
[10:32] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: i think
[10:33] <shadeslayer> yeah did that
[10:33] <shadeslayer> still doesnt work
[10:33] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: if you reinstall the kubuntu artwork i think it will sort it out
[10:33] <shadeslayer> ill paste the file
[10:33] <shadeslayer> reinstalling is not a option
[10:33] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: apt-cache search kubuntu artwork
[10:33] <shadeslayer> yeah installed that too
[10:33] <shadeslayer> :(
[10:33] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: its only a package, not the whole system
[10:33] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:33] <shadeslayer> one sec ill try again
[10:34] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: try sudo apt-get --reinstall install <whatever it was>
[10:34] <shadeslayer> what would that do??
[10:34] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: instal the package over itself and hopefully modify the menu.list file to make the splash appear
[10:34] <shadeslayer> ok
[10:35] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: you need to use apt-cache to find out the package for the artwork
[10:35] <drostie_> to get the "kubuntu" screen with the loader bar, you want the options "ro quiet splash"
[10:35] <ActionParsnip1> !bootsplash
[10:35] <drostie_> Well, the ro isn't necessary, but the splash is.
[10:35] <shadeslayer> kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[10:35] <shadeslayer> i have splashy
[10:35] <shadeslayer> not usplaash
[10:35] <shadeslayer> *a
[10:35] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: why do you need it so bad? is it really worth it?
[10:35] <shadeslayer> yeah
[10:36] <drostie_> ActionParsnip1: giving up? :-P
[10:36] <shadeslayer> to convinconly CLIe people that linux is not
[10:36] <shadeslayer> aarrrgh
[10:36] <ActionParsnip1> drostie_: no i just dont see the point in stupiid splash screens
[10:36] <shadeslayer> to convine people that linux is not only CLI
[10:36] <shadeslayer> me neither
[10:36] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: its only the bootup
[10:36] <oobe> ActionParsnip1, i just relised im using the beta nvidia drivers so im installing the stable ones hard to test any thing i try to fix as the freezes happen like once 24 hrs and appear unproceable
[10:36] <shadeslayer> but when i say " install K/Ubuntu "
[10:37] <shadeslayer> people go " does it have a cursor?? "
[10:37] <shadeslayer> ><
[10:37] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: then you can educate them
[10:37] <shadeslayer> haha well
[10:37] <drostie_> shadeslayer: when people come to the netherlands, they ask if it's safe to drink the water. stupid questions happen.
[10:37] <shadeslayer> well true,so far ive convinced 4 people to install Kubuntu
[10:37] <ActionParsnip1> oobe: are you fully upgraded with the latest kernel
[10:38] <shadeslayer> all of them had the same first question
[10:38] <shadeslayer> doofus
[10:38] <oobe> yeah first time im running stock kernel i usually build my own
[10:38] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: well if they dont know, they will ask
[10:38] <shadeslayer> yes like me
[10:38] <shadeslayer> but that is one stupid wuestion
[10:38] <shadeslayer> *q
[10:38] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: i'm sure you had some bad questions when yu first tried linux too
[10:39] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:39] <shadeslayer> i just installed it no questions asked
[10:39] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:39] <shadeslayer> was bored of windoze
[10:39] <ActionParsnip1> yeh but im sure you had some once you were in
[10:39] <drostie_> I remember one bittorrent forum where I had to point out to someone, "yes, the search boxes on this site, like every search box since 1990, use quotes to do phrase-searches."
[10:40] <shadeslayer> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-11-generic root=UUID=45651cf8-bc61-4f39-85e9-f059feaf267f ro quiet splash i8042.nomux=1
[10:40] <ActionParsnip1> and its stuff you know now
[10:40] <shadeslayer> thast right??
[10:40] <shadeslayer> hehe
[10:40] <shadeslayer> well thats tru
[10:40] <shadeslayer> *e
[10:40] <drostie_> Should be, though I don't know what i8042 is ^_^
[10:40] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: looks fine to me, its not something i mess with really, maybe someone else can chip in
[10:41] <shadeslayer> though i had one very stupid question,whats this " konversation " thing
[10:41] <shadeslayer> :p
[10:41] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:42] <drostie_> you might also need the line "quiet" at the end of the boot stanza (after the initrd line).
[10:42] <shadeslayer> where??
[10:42] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: here's mine
[10:42] <ActionParsnip1> http://pastebin.com/fad9e06e
[10:43] <shadeslayer> one sec have some work
[10:43] <carpii> anyone had problems with an intel wireless 3945 (dell) on kubuntu 8.04 ?  I seem to remember a kernel option you had to pass but I cant remember what :(
[10:43] <sancho21> When my usb start, I click open. But the url is system:/media/sdb1 instead of /media/MY_USB. I think it is better to be consistent. I'd like the later since it is compatible with df -h command
[10:44] <shadeslayer> carpii: Dell, 4065 here
[10:44] <shadeslayer> no problems
[10:44] <carpii> on 8.04 rather than 8.10 ?
[10:44] <drostie_> sancho: are you sure that's /media/sdb1 and not /dev/sdb1?
[10:45] <shadeslayer>  i8042.nomux=1
[10:45] <shadeslayer> thats extra i think
[10:45] <shadeslayer> in mine that is
[10:45] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: 2 installs??
[10:45] <carpii> ah i think thats for the touchpad maybe?
[10:45] <shadeslayer> ><
[10:45] <oobe> shadeslayer, what does that 8042 kernel line do
[10:46] <ActionParsnip1> carpii: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140085
[10:46] <shadeslayer> no idea
[10:46] <ActionParsnip1> carpii: you can compile the driver for it
[10:46] <oobe> are you using it ?
[10:46] <drostie_> oobe: possibly related to this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/84119
[10:46] <carpii> hm i had it working on same machine a while ago, but i didnt compile anything
[10:46] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: i like to keep a few kernels incase the new one is bad
[10:46] <shadeslayer> hehe
[10:46] <shadeslayer> nice
[10:47] <Guest92772> hie
[10:47] <sancho21> drostie, yes I am
[10:47] <sancho21> I use kubuntu 8.04
[10:47] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: i need to uninstall the oldest 2, ive not been on my system for a while
[10:48] <Guest92772> hello everyone whats up
[10:48] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[10:48] <Guest92772> credit crunch killing us here
[10:48] <drostie_> okay, so, I had a question. My taskbar was transparent for a while, and now it's not. I can't tell whether anything important happened between the two. How do I get it transparent again? (I can't see anything useful in the various System Settings menus.)
[10:49] <shadeslayer> the two superkaramba widgets i installed are so cool ^_^
[10:49] <carpii> its in appearance i think
[10:49] <carpii> right click panel -> configure -> appearance -> enable transparency
[10:49] <shadeslayer> drostie_: actually no
[10:50] <shadeslayer> use a custom theme,and dont change anything
[10:50] <ActionParsnip1> drostie_: i think its desktop effects enabled / disabled. I saw that happen on mine
[10:50] <shadeslayer> thats how it works
[10:50] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip1: Oxygen theme ?? nope,still blue
[10:51] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: my slit it blue too
[10:51] <shadeslayer> use a custom theme,itll enable transperency
[10:51] <shadeslayer> ull get a black taskbar tho
[10:51] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: i dont use kin. i think its ghastly
[10:51] <ActionParsnip1> *kwin
[10:52] <shadeslayer> what do you use then??
[10:52] <shadeslayer> CLI??
[10:52] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: fluxbox
[10:52] <shadeslayer> ><M
[10:52] <ActionParsnip1> and cli
[10:52] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:52] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:52] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: i run kde apps, just not kwin
[10:53] <shadeslayer> hm
[10:53] <shadeslayer> i like kwin
[10:53] <shadeslayer> dont ask why
[10:53] <ActionParsnip1> its too slow fory liking
[10:53] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: can yu run kde on fluxbox?
[10:53] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: sure, just like you can run gedit under kde, as long as you have the libs for it to run , it will run
[10:54] <Guest92772> whats up with konqoueror not browsing the internet in kubuntu 8.04, firefox works well
[10:54] <trylik> hi, can i set kmail not to download attachments by default?
[10:54] <ActionParsnip1> Guest92772: do you have any proxys setup in firefox? do you have a firewall blocking konqueror
[10:55] <ActionParsnip1> Guest92772: is it some sites you can access or none
[10:55] <Jahman> hi
[10:55] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: recently i was in Vista recently,kept pressing alt+F2 to open a program ><
[10:55] <drostie> ug, got kicked off wireless right after I asked my question >_<
[10:56] <drostie> ActionParsnip1: desktop effects are enabled. :-/
[10:56] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: i try to tab complete commands in irc and keep wanting to use my script names which wint work on others systems
[10:56] <shadeslayer> :)
[10:56] <shadeslayer> ok ill just add neon
[10:56] <shadeslayer> and reboot
[10:56] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:56] <drostie> ...
[10:56] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: i also keep hitting tilde on my work laptop (XP) to get yakuake
[10:56] <shadeslayer> haha
[10:57] <shadeslayer> i hadnt booted to vista in a month
[10:57] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: which actually CAN run with x forwarding but its ridiculous
[10:57] <shadeslayer> :O
[10:57] <shadeslayer> really??
[10:57] <ActionParsnip1> drostie: check desktop effect settings to ensure its configured to  your taste
[10:57] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: was checking if Vista hadnt died of under use
[10:57] <shadeslayer> ;)
[10:58] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: sure x forwarding is awesome, it will only launch the apps installed on the x forwarding system though
[10:58] <shadeslayer> oh the KDE desktop thing
[10:58] <shadeslayer> which can run on win
[10:58] <shadeslayer> i remember reading something about it
[10:58] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: yakuake is a console like interface from dom / quake / duke nukem
[10:58] <drostie> ActionParsnip1: there is no effect which says "makes the taskbar translucent." :-/
[10:59] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: I did not mean the applications ....I meant the desktop manager using fluxbox instead of kwin
[10:59] <shadeslayer> drostie: try my method
[10:59] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:59] <shadeslayer> change theme to custom in appearence settings
[10:59] <shadeslayer> thats it
[11:00] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: you can run any WM you like
[11:00] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: you could even run openbox if you felt so inclined or lxde
[11:01] <Dr_willis> or jwm, or twm, or wmii, or.....
[11:01] <shadeslayer> lxde is too basic isnt it??
[11:01] <Dr_willis> Depends on your needs.
[11:01] <shadeslayer> i saw the screen shots
[11:02] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:02] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: depends on your needs
[11:02] <Dr_willis> screen shots dont really say a lot.. other then 'look at my colors..'
[11:02] <drostie> Holy crap, shadeslayer's advice worked.
[11:02] <Dr_willis> http://xwinman.org/  - window managers for X ;)
[11:02] <shadeslayer> btw i have alot of problems explaining n00bs what DE's are
[11:02] <drostie> I just switched to a different theme and then back to oxygen, and now it's transparent again. ^_^
[11:02] <shadeslayer> drostie: :)
[11:02] <Dr_willis> install a few.. let them switch around...
[11:03] <shadeslayer> nope like " im using linux for the first time "
[11:03] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: what did make you chose fluxbox?
[11:03] <drostie> Now if only you knew a way to install custom whitespace in a panel ^_^
[11:03] <shadeslayer> sorry
[11:03] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:04] <drostie> I know a way, but I have no idea how to use it. There are spacer widgets at KDE-Look.org.
[11:04] <shadeslayer> but i have these super karamba themes you can try ^_^
[11:04] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: does it integrate paticularly well?
[11:04] <drostie> But I have no idea how to compile them, and cmake is giving me an annoying error.
[11:05] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: i got sick of kwin wanting to do a tapdance then do what i wanted, I want something slick and snappy. I configure stuf with conf files so i dont need stupid gui apps so i jumped ship. I love the very customisable shortcut keys for runnning scripts and apps and its lightweight
[11:05] <shadeslayer> measures temps and speed
[11:05] <shadeslayer> why why does apt hang up
[11:05] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: is kde performing much faster?
[11:05] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: you can still launch the apps in the DE. It also has a hugely customisable menu which lives on the right click but can also be brought up with a hotkey
[11:06] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: yes i find the apps more responsive
[11:06] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: i can run kwin on my systems. i just choose not to as i want to get things done
[11:06] <shadeslayer> so any easy explanation of DE
[11:06] <shadeslayer> i keep telling them that they are themes
[11:07] <shadeslayer> ><
[11:07] <drostie> >_<
[11:09] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/09/get-to-know-linux-desktop-environment-vs-window-manager
[11:09] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: sounds like you arent so sure either
[11:10] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: actually i jdesktopust know that they manage my
[11:10] <shadeslayer> desktop
[11:10] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:10] <shadeslayer> *just know
[11:10] <shadeslayer> god darn this keyboard
[11:10] <shadeslayer> the cursor keeps skipping
[11:10] <shadeslayer> SPECIALLY in KDE
[11:12] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: yes, kwin works well but the overall performances are a bit less than impressive at the moment
[11:13] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: its not for everybody, try a few see which you prefer
[11:13] <shadeslayer> if i install amarok-nightly package,will it update without adding the repo??
[11:13] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: no you need to add the neon repo and its key
[11:13] <shadeslayer> ok
[11:14] <shadeslayer> whats the key??
[11:16] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: thanks .... how do you actually set up kde to run on top of fluxbox?
[11:16] <shadeslayer> can anyone find it??
[11:16] <shadeslayer> ct529: sudo apt-get install <desktop>
[11:16] <shadeslayer> press F10 to change between sessions
[11:17] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: sudo apt-get install fluxbox  log off, change session to fluxbox, log in
[11:17] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: then launch your favourite apps as normal
[11:17] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: find the key??
[11:17] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: well you will need the gpg key for the repo
[11:17] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: well .... that does not start kde on top of fluxbox .... it just starts fluxbox
[11:18] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: but you can run kde apps, thats all i do
[11:18]  * shadeslayer cant find the gpg key
[11:19] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: run: sudo apt-get update   you will get an error which you can websearch fo
[11:19] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:19] <shadeslayer> it said that it doesnt have a key
[11:19] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: what were yu expecting?
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: but you have an error message you can use to websearch with
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> ooo
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> yes my oooo key work
[11:20] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip1: maybe he wants Vbox
[11:20] <shadeslayer> like one DE on ' top ' of other
[11:21] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: you can only run one DE and one WM, you can just pull in other bits from the other DEs
[11:21] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:22] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: like you could install gedit which is gnome based and run it in kde
[11:22] <shadeslayer> but like i run openSUSE KDE on top of GNOME
[11:22] <shadeslayer> maybe he means that
[11:22] <shadeslayer> i know i know
[11:22] <shadeslayer> ><
[11:22] <shadeslayer> i use it all the time
[11:22] <ActionParsnip1> you are running kde, just that you have the GTK installed too
[11:22] <shadeslayer> anyways
[11:23] <shadeslayer> ct529: i think i got you
[11:23] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: theres no 'on top of' about it
[11:23] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: 1 x server + 1 DE + 1 WM
[11:23] <shadeslayer> ct529: you want KDE+fluxbox @ same time
[11:24] <shadeslayer> leave it
[11:24]  * shadeslayer is confused between neon,usplash and vbox
[11:24] <shadeslayer> ><
[11:26] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: i said yes to continue without authentication,no problems right??
[11:29] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: sure, if you dont have the key you will need to do that each time you update the nightly build
[11:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[11:29] <shadeslayer> i cant seem to find it
[11:29] <shadeslayer> all mighty google has no answers
[11:29] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:30] <shadeslayer> found it
[11:30] <shadeslayer> nm
[11:30] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: any way i can get cannonical to send me free stickers,im starting a LUG
[11:31] <ActionParsnip1> email and ask them
[11:32] <bishopz> !ot
[11:32] <bishopz> Good Morning btw.
[11:34] <ActionParsnip1> hi bishopz
[11:34] <bishopz> ActionParsnip1: Hi ;)
[11:35] <carpii> after installing compiz and compiz-settings-manager on 8.04 / kde 3.5, i still cant see a way to customise compiz
[11:35] <ActionParsnip1> carpii: run ccsm from konsole
[11:35] <carpii> thanks
[11:36] <carpii> i was trying to find 'compiz-settings-manager'
[11:36] <ActionParsnip1> carpii: its aso in yout k menu
[11:36] <bishopz> ^^
[11:36] <shadeslayer> ok
[11:37] <carpii> hm i cant find it in menu
[11:37] <bishopz> shadeslayer: good morning
[11:37] <carpii> not to worry though, i got it from term
[11:37] <shadeslayer> bishopz: good afternoon
[11:37] <bishopz> open konsole type in ccsm, itll load the setting manager
[11:37] <ActionParsnip1> carpii: KMenu -> Settings -> CompizConfig Settings Manager
[11:37] <bishopz> ^ or that
[11:38] <carpii> ah yes, its listed as 'Advanced Desktop Settings' rather than any mention  of cOMPIZ
[11:38] <carpii> ok thanks
[11:38]  * ActionParsnip1 hates compiz
[11:38] <bishopz> -does too
[11:38] <carpii> i do too on my desktop
[11:38] <bishopz> compiz - glitches the hell out of anything i use it on
[11:38] <carpii> but laptop with just one screen, the cube is nice
[11:39] <ActionParsnip1> it just gets in the way
[11:39] <bishopz> mhm
[11:39] <carpii> i dont use any other features really
[11:39] <ActionParsnip1> kwin has a cube of its own
[11:39] <bishopz> i do believe when i was new, i used the rain effect and 3dwrapper
[11:39] <bishopz> rofl
[11:40] <ActionParsnip1> oh the rain effect is so useful, if you wanna throw up
[11:40] <bishopz> impressed my friends for a moment, then it got old fast
[11:40] <ActionParsnip1> lightspeed
[11:40] <ActionParsnip1> ;)
[11:40] <bishopz> lolol
[11:40] <bishopz> Man i woke up at 5 am to shovel 7 inches of snow
[11:41] <bishopz> now im trapped on irc
[11:41] <bishopz> I need a life
[11:41] <ActionParsnip1> haha
[11:41] <ActionParsnip1> cat bishopz > /dev/house/frontdoor < ~/hobbies.txt
[11:42] <bishopz> HaHa
[11:42] <ActionParsnip1> looks good, doesnt make much sense, cat + a text file (?)
[11:42] <bishopz> between linux and building a new forum site for blackberrys
[11:42] <etfb> How do I set up Firefox in Kubuntu to stream videos inline?  The mplayer-mozilla plugin doesn't appear to work for me -- sound is OK, video is not.
[11:42] <bishopz> lol
[11:43] <bishopz> eftb: try vlc
[11:43] <bishopz> sudo apt-get install vlc
[11:43] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: vlc has one too, could try that, the mplayer one has always flown for me
[11:43] <bishopz> beat cha
[11:43] <bishopz> :-P
[11:43] <ActionParsnip1> apt-cache search vlc | grep moz
[11:43] <ActionParsnip1> ;)
[11:43] <bishopz> hater
[11:44] <ActionParsnip1> werd
[11:44] <bishopz> lol
[11:44] <ActionParsnip1> or something
[11:44] <ActionParsnip1> whatever the kids are saying
[11:44] <bishopz> rofl.
[11:44] <ActionParsnip1> who understands them kids anyway, stupid kids
[11:44] <bishopz> The best is the newbie script kids on aol
[11:44] <bishopz> trying to bring back old school shit
[11:44] <etfb> Sorry, ActionParsnip1, looks like bishopz won the internet.  You get the second prize, which is gopher and usenet, so you don't go home empty-handed.
[11:45] <bishopz> LoL^
[11:45] <bishopz> aolers trying t0 B3 k3wL kn0 1iK3 0MG
[11:45] <bishopz> x
[11:45] <bishopz> i look at it and go wow, did it look that bad when i was 15 doing it?
[11:46] <bishopz> -smh
[11:46] <ActionParsnip1> i have l33t skillx0r wid rm -rf yo, it is kool 4 liyk mayking compooters fasxxst init lolololo111!!oneone
[11:46] <bishopz> Wargasm: Good morning sir ;)
[11:46] <bishopz> ROFL@U
[11:46] <bishopz> no u did not...
[11:46] <bishopz> yea u def. did
[11:47] <ActionParsnip1> bishopz: yur soo n00b lolz
[11:47] <bishopz> i know :( pls teach me
[11:47] <bishopz> OMG HOW DO I REMOVE A PACKAGE IN TERMINAL>
[11:47] <bishopz> lolol
[11:47] <bishopz> brb coffee
[11:47] <ActionParsnip1> oh noes bishopz haz haxxored my bios
[11:47]  * faileas gets the gun
[11:47] <faileas> ENGLISH. DO. YOU. SPEAK. IT **********?
[11:47] <bishopz> uhtoh, its too early to be shot at
[11:48] <bishopz> ^^
[11:48] <bishopz> HaHa
[11:48] <ActionParsnip1> faileas: we're just messing dude
[11:48] <ActionParsnip1> hahaa
[11:48] <faileas> pfft. I'm quoting a classic here ;p
[11:48] <bishopz> AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[11:49] <bishopz> sorry i should be sleepin im a little edgy
[11:49] <ActionParsnip1> !edgy
[11:49] <faileas> ;p
[11:49] <bishopz> sadly, i have no more mods left for my ubuntu at the moment
[11:49] <faileas> lol
[11:49]  * faileas settles for the basics ;p
[11:49] <faileas> i generally just add in yakuake to mine
[11:50] <bishopz> lol
[11:50] <bishopz> i think i might instal it on my net book next
[11:50] <bishopz> for fun
[11:52] <ActionParsnip1> yakuake is sweeeeeet
[11:52] <shadeslayer> waaaahhhhhhhhh
[11:52] <shadeslayer> my desktop filp switch is gone
[11:52]  * shadeslayer sobs
[11:52] <faileas> yakuake is necessary ;p
[11:52] <bishopz> uhtohs
[11:53] <etfb> ActionParsnip1: vlc did the trick.  Now I need to figure out where on the web I can get streamed episodes of Playschool for my daughter...
[11:53] <shadeslayer> vlc ftw
[11:53] <shadeslayer> ><
[11:53] <bishopz> when alllll else fails
[11:53] <bishopz> Google
[11:54] <bishopz> mmmm my first issue of the day
[11:54] <shadeslayer> hehe
[11:54] <bishopz> ok, whos good with mounted drives and such?
[11:54] <bishopz> external HDs
[11:54] <shadeslayer> me
[11:54] <shadeslayer> nope
[11:54] <shadeslayer> interna;
[11:54] <shadeslayer> *l
[11:54] <bishopz> Lol, ok think about this.
[11:54] <ActionParsnip1> mplayer ftw
[11:54] <shadeslayer> XD
[11:54] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: i'd say youtube / googlevideo
[11:55] <bishopz> My external hard drive is mounted to /media blahblah
[11:55] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: or vlc-nox
[11:55] <bishopz> mount points are right
[11:55] <shadeslayer> whats that??
[11:55] <bishopz> it wont open unless its in dolphin
[11:55] <ActionParsnip1> !info vlc-nox
[11:55] <bishopz> and then everything is read only , meaning i cant do anything cept watch the movies or listen to the music
[11:55] <bishopz> x
[11:55] <shadeslayer> holy crud,neon is a 73 MB download
[11:55] <ActionParsnip1> bishopz: try mounting it with -o uid=1000
[11:55] <bishopz> i cant put anything else on the drive (which is the actual problem)
[11:56] <bishopz> i TRIED that
[11:56] <shadeslayer> no ways i need X
[11:56] <bishopz> same result
[11:56]  * shadeslayer loves X
[11:56] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: you will still be running X, just that vlc wont have a stupid gui and use less resources
[11:56] <bishopz> yea, less glitchy
[11:56] <shadeslayer> how does it look??
[11:57] <shadeslayer> screenshot anybody??
[11:57] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: try it, its installed on your system
[11:57] <bishopz> ^
[11:57] <shadeslayer> apt is working
[11:57] <shadeslayer> XD
[11:57] <shadeslayer> Neon
[11:57] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: no, its ALREADY on your system
[11:57] <shadeslayer> really??
[11:57] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: yes
[11:58] <bishopz> -sits this one out dpkg -r ME
[11:58] <bishopz> brb more coffee
[11:58] <shadeslayer> run with sudo??
[11:58] <shadeslayer> bash: vlc-nox: command not found
[11:58] <shadeslayer> ><
[11:59] <ActionParsnip1> why would a media player need sudo?
[11:59] <shadeslayer> wth alt+tab wont gimme cover flow
[11:59] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip1: bash: vlc-nox: command not found
[12:00] <ghostcube> what is vlc-nox oO
[12:00] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: then wait til neon comes down then grab it
[12:00] <shadeslayer> okies
[12:00] <ActionParsnip1> !info vlc-nox
[12:00] <ghostcube> ah commandline vlc
[12:00] <ghostcube> :D
[12:00] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip1: any idea why alt+tab wont work
[12:00] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: heyt
[12:00] <shadeslayer> *hey
[12:01] <shadeslayer> ive set everything to default
[12:01] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: you can run it in a normal session, it will just be the video, no gui rubbish
[12:01] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: maybe its not mapped to a command
[12:01]  * shadeslayer checks
[12:01] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1: ok, never tried so far
[12:02] <shadeslayer> mapped
[12:02] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: then map it to something else, then back
[12:02] <shadeslayer> how??
[12:02] <shadeslayer> keyboard and mouse??
[12:03] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: anything you want, its gonna go right back so go wild
[12:03] <shadeslayer> Ook
[12:03] <chaoslang> hi ,  are there some documents  telling  me the detail of running   the   dpkg-buildpackage commond?
[12:04] <shadeslayer> nope
[12:04] <bishopz> detail?
[12:04] <bishopz> define detail
[12:04] <bishopz> !dpkg
[12:04] <shadeslayer> man -k
[12:04] <chaoslang> the stage of running
[12:04] <shadeslayer> use that
[12:04] <shadeslayer> brb
[12:04] <bishopz> :-P
[12:04] <bishopz> k
[12:05] <bishopz> maybe im too tired but, not understanding correcty
[12:05]  * shadeslayer check's out the neighboughr's car
[12:05] <shadeslayer> ;)
[12:05] <shadeslayer> i have a better one
[12:06] <shadeslayer> yayyyyyy
[12:06] <shadeslayer> got it to work
[12:06] <chaoslang> sorry i am poor in english. i want to konw how it make the source package to binnary package?
[12:07] <shadeslayer> make install maybe
[12:07] <ActionParsnip1> !compile | chaoslang
[12:07] <drostie> D: wireless is now broken on my Kubuntu laptop ;_;
[12:07] <carpii> how do i tell compiz cube how many desktops to use? I keep trying to change pager to 4 desktops but it goes back to 1 as soon as I close dialog
[12:08] <ActionParsnip1> !cube
[12:08] <carpii> ok thx
[12:08] <drostie> also, all of my customized panels were destroyed. But I'm more concerned about the wireless. --_--;;
[12:08]  * shadeslayer closes desktop effects
[12:09] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:09] <shadeslayer> what happened??
[12:09]  * shadeslayer hates compiz
[12:09] <shadeslayer> ^^
[12:09] <drostie> Um. I changed my desktop theme. Then my computer crashed. Then, when I rebooted, my panels were gone and wireless was dead. :-X
[12:09] <shadeslayer> OMG i just noticed
[12:09] <shadeslayer> :O
[12:10] <drostie> it was, er, rather bad.
[12:10] <shadeslayer> my superkaramba theme shows 3016 MB RAM
[12:10] <shadeslayer> where as there should be more
[12:10] <shadeslayer> grr
[12:11] <drostie> the system logs contain entries like, NetworkManager	<WARN>  wait_for_connection_expired(): Connection (2) /org/freedesktop/NetworkManagerSettings/Connection/0 failed to activate (timeout): (0) Connection was not provided by any settings service
[12:11] <bishopz> !irssi
[12:11] <shadeslayer> drostie: maybe deleting the ~./kde folder helps
[12:11] <shadeslayer> drostie: before that type lspci in terminal?
[12:12] <gartral> how do i make permanent edits too the PATH from konsole?
[12:12] <shadeslayer> sudo
[12:13] <ActionParsnip1> gartral: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=114634
[12:13]  * shadeslayer starts powertop
[12:14] <shadeslayer> is powertop of any use btw??
 i am sorry .i kown i could use the dpkg-buildpackage command to make a source package to binnary package. but i want to kown how the dpkg-buildpackage to realize it. such as the writing rules
[12:14] <drostie> shadeslayer: I'm not sure I trust your advice. Esecially because deleting the kde folder will destroy my preferences that let me connect to the network in the first place, which had to be customized because knetworkmanager and the other network management thing in kde4.2 have crippled graphical interfaces that are incompatible with the entire EU's eduroam network. D:
[12:14] <shadeslayer> whatttt
[12:14] <shadeslayer> ok try listing your device
[12:15] <shadeslayer> using lspci
[12:15] <drostie> I'm serious. The default KDE 4.2 install does not come with 802.11 g (aka "Dynamic WEP") key management. knetworkmanager has it, but does not allow you to select your phase2 of authentication.
[12:16] <shadeslayer> uh i use kde 4.2,i have 802.11 g,i use it all the time
[12:16] <drostie> In knetworkmanager, every release since gutsy they've fixed this bug, only to have their fix not propagate to the next version, for some reason.
[12:16] <shadeslayer> it came pre configured
[12:16] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:17] <shadeslayer> is there anyway to run powertop in the background??
[12:17] <drostie> shadeslayer: I have looked very long and hard at that screen. It only has three options: "WEP", "WPA-EAP", and "WPA" something else.
[12:17] <chaoslang> how i could open the wireless network? the drives is already ok.
[12:17] <shadeslayer> drostie: ok,dont take my advice
[12:17] <drostie> Neither of the WPA screens has an option to choose a different key management, and.
[12:17] <shadeslayer> ><
[12:17] <shadeslayer> ask somebody else
[12:18] <bishopz> ok guys,
[12:18] <bishopz> im going back to bed
[12:18] <bishopz> see ya ina few hours
[12:18] <drostie> I'm just saying that your advice started off with, "step one, break your wireless. No wait, step one, tell me whether wlan0 exists. Step two, break your wireless."
[12:18] <shadeslayer> :(
[12:18] <drostie> >_<
[12:18] <bishopz> drostie: whats the exact problem
[12:19] <chaoslang> is there some documents tell the realize of dpkg-buildpackage ?
[12:19] <drostie> bishops: I think that org/freedesktop/NetworkManagerSettings is dead. I have no clue where it is, though.
[12:19]  * shadeslayer goes away
[12:19] <drostie> *bishopz
[12:19] <shadeslayer> bye all
[12:20] <bishopz> Bye shades
[12:20] <bishopz> Hmm
[12:20] <bishopz> hang on
[12:20] <drostie> thanks for trying at least, shades ^_^
[12:20] <drostie> byes.
[12:20] <shadeslayer> drostie: sorry for the wifi
[12:20] <shadeslayer> ><
[12:20] <shadeslayer> bye
[12:21] <chaoslang> is there some documents tell the realize of dpkg-buildpackage ?
[12:21] <chaoslang> is there some documents tell the realize of dpkg-buildpackage  command?
[12:22] <drostie> I think I'm just going to have to find a cd and burn another livecd image. Try to rescue everything I can and reinstall from scratch. --_--;;
[12:22] <gartral> ActionParsnip1 I followed the link, but where do i edit it with the export PATH=$PATH:?
[12:22] <bishopz> Nah
[12:22] <bishopz> not yet, is it that you cant find it at all, or are your completely erroring
[12:22] <bishopz> ?
[12:22] <ActionParsnip1> gartral: its a konsle command
[12:23] <bishopz> Here google can't find org/freedesktop/NetworkManagerSettings
[12:23] <gartral> but that wont make it permanent, will it?
[12:23] <bishopz> and look top link
[12:23] <drostie> bishopz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/125232/
[12:23] <ActionParsnip1> gartral: i think theres a bit in there to make it permanent
[12:24] <bishopz> brb let me look at that
[12:24] <gartral> ActionParsnip1 nope...
[12:24] <ActionParsnip1> gartral: look in ~/.bashrc
[12:25] <gartral> thats where i am
[12:25] <bishopz> Wow.
[12:25] <ActionParsnip1> gartral: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=969
[12:25] <drostie> I need to go and get lunch anyways before the food place closes. So let me come back later. Go back to sleep, bishopz. :-)
[12:25] <gartral> i dont see any other exports, or a comment saying where one would go
[12:25] <ActionParsnip1> gartral: jeez
[12:25]  * ActionParsnip1 takes out his spoon
[12:25] <bishopz> Ill be here when you get back
[12:25] <bishopz> im looking into this
[12:25] <drostie> kk.
[12:25] <bishopz> -loves a challenge
[12:25] <ActionParsnip1> gartral: kate ~/.bashrc
[12:26] <ActionParsnip1> gartral: search the file for the word path
[12:26] <gartral> not there
[12:27] <gartral> ActionParsnip1 there's no match for path in .bashrc under my home dir
[12:27] <ActionParsnip1> gartral: add a line at the bottom to add the folder to the path
[12:28] <ActionParsnip1> gartral: then when you run the shell it will get added
[12:28] <gartral> just the path as a new line?
[12:28] <gartral> nothing else?
[12:28] <ActionParsnip1> gartral: whatever command adds the folder to the path, put it in there
[12:28] <ActionParsnip1> gartral: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/3199
[12:29] <shadeslayer> hi
[12:29] <shadeslayer> im back
[12:29] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: that mount command you gave me
[12:29] <shadeslayer> what do i specify in mount point??
[12:30] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: literally any empty folder you want (just no in /proc)
[12:30] <shadeslayer> ok like /home/shadeslayer/mounts??
[12:30] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: you can mount anywhere you wish, in /media/<some folder> or even in some folder in your home folder
[12:30] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: sure why not
[12:30] <shadeslayer> like above??
[12:30] <ActionParsnip1> theres /mnt too if you wish
[12:31] <ActionParsnip1> just make a new folder to mount to then use it
[12:31] <shadeslayer> that was my next question
[12:31] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:31] <ActionParsnip1> and remember linux is case sensitive so fo an easy life, avoid caps and avoid spaces in mount point names
[12:32] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:32] <gartral> if it doesn't work, ill be back
[12:33] <shadeslayer> ooooh nice
[12:33] <Laeborg> Hello. Yesterday i tried to install compiz, but i couldn't see any changes after i restartet X. Today when i tried to login into my Kubuntu, i just get a black screen and then back to the kdm login screen. What can i do?
[12:33] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip1: thanks alot
[12:35] <ActionParsnip1> Laeborg: try making compiz not run at startup and login, then troubleshoot
[12:36] <Laeborg> how can I do so compiz dont startup ?
[12:36] <ActionParsnip1> Laeborg: well do you have it autorunning, you have to manually set that up
[12:42] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip1: a dumb question,but how do i unmount the mounted ISO??
[12:42] <shadeslayer> ><
[12:43] <shadeslayer> i used
[12:43] <shadeslayer> !ISO
[12:43] <shadeslayer> that ^
[12:44] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: sudo umount /mount/point/name
[12:44] <shadeslayer> point?? name??
[12:45] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: you need to umount the folder name you mounted it to
[12:45] <ActionParsnip1> shadeslayer: i figured youd work it out with some fuzy logic
[12:45] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:45] <shadeslayer> i tried the command
[12:45] <shadeslayer> earlier before asking
[12:45] <shadeslayer> but did not work
[12:45] <ActionParsnip1> well duh
[12:45] <shadeslayer> sudo: unmount: command not found
[12:45] <shadeslayer> ><
[12:46] <ActionParsnip1> how can i know where you mounted it to, it can literally be anything
[12:46] <ActionParsnip1> and i said UMOUNT
[12:46] <shadeslayer> ooooooohhhhhhhh
[12:46] <ActionParsnip1> read the commands i give, not what you think they say
[12:46] <ActionParsnip1> ActionParsnip: shadeslayer: sudo umount /mount/point/name
[12:47] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:47] <shadeslayer> it unmounted
[12:47] <shadeslayer> i thought it would be unmount
[12:48] <ActionParsnip1> no or i would have said unmount wouldnt i
[12:48] <Laeborg> http://pastebin.com/m3e63fd64
[12:48] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:48] <shadeslayer> well thats the general thinking
[12:48] <shadeslayer> mount and unmount
[12:48] <shadeslayer> ok gtg
[12:48] <shadeslayer> byee
[12:49] <shadeslayer> thanks ActionParsnip1
[12:49] <ActionParsnip1> np man
[12:49] <shadeslayer> hehe i trouble you all the time
[12:49] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:50] <Laeborg> ActionParsnip1: no it isnt autorunning then
[12:50] <ActionParsnip1> Laeborg: ok then you must have reconfigured your x server someho
[12:50] <ActionParsnip1> w
[12:50] <ActionParsnip1> maybe
[12:50] <Laeborg> i have removed the compiz part from xorg.conf
[12:51] <ActionParsnip1> compiz in xorg.conf?
[12:51] <Laeborg> Section "Extensions"
[12:51] <Laeborg> Option "Composite" "true"
[12:51] <Laeborg> EndSection
[12:52] <ActionParsnip1> oh ok
[12:52] <ActionParsnip1> restart x, see if you can log in
[12:52] <Laeborg> i cant
[12:52] <Laeborg> have tried that
[12:55] <kervel> hi, i have serious problems with my intrepid installation (KDE4.2) since yesterday: in a terminal, control C / control Z don't work anymore, and EVERY process i quit ends up as zombie
[12:56] <Laeborg> http://pastebin.com/m743c77d2
[12:57] <ActionParsnip1> Laeborg: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kde-workspace-data
[12:58] <ActionParsnip1> Laeborg: or try: sudo apt-get -f install
[12:58] <UnderWraps_> Adept updated something earlier today and I then noticed that some system icons had gone missing, so I restarted and now I cannot start
[12:58] <ActionParsnip1> UnderWraps_: do you get a logon screen
[12:58] <UnderWraps_> I have the error messages "could not start kstartupconfig"
[12:58] <UnderWraps_> yes
[12:59] <UnderWraps_> after logging in I have 2 error messages
[12:59] <ActionParsnip1> UnderWraps_: try booting to recovery mode in grub and fixing x
[12:59] <ActionParsnip1> UnderWraps_: ahh if you can get in you are ok
[12:59] <ActionParsnip1> UnderWraps_: read    dmesg | less
[12:59] <ActionParsnip1> UnderWraps_: as well as other linux logs
[12:59] <UnderWraps_> then "call to lnusertemp failed {temp directoried full}"
[13:04] <drostie> k, I'm back ^_^
[13:08] <drostie> and nobody's here... :-(
[13:15] <UnderWraps_> ActionParsnip: I logged into failsafe which displays a command session, I tried  "read dmesg | less" and nothing happened
[13:16] <UnderWraps_> logging into tty1 and running "read  dmesg | less" also displayed nothing
[13:16] <UnderWraps_> what otherlogs can I look at?
[13:16] <UnderWraps_> other logs*
[13:16] <drostie> There's always the entire /var/log directory...
[13:22] <UnderWraps_> "nano dmesg" works, what errors should I look for?
[13:23] <ActionParsnip1> UnderWraps_: just any issues / errors
[13:23] <ActionParsnip1> UnderWraps_: you could also read /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[13:25] <shadowhywind> Hya all I am trying to use the new network widget for plasma, However it keeps saying [not updated yet] any ideas?
[13:25] <lokai> I have a very strange problem. I've mounted an SD flash memory card and I want to remove some files that have a bunch of special characters. Lucikly, they are all MP3s. I try rm *mp3, and it says rm: <filename>: No such file or directory
[13:26] <lokai> I think the really funny characters in the filenames are giving RM a hard time...but I've never had a problem like this before -- any ideas?
[13:26] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: try rm *.mp3
[13:26] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: make sure your pwd is on the flash card
[13:27] <lokai> yeah ofc pwd is where it needs to be
[13:27] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: just checking
[13:27] <lokai> *.mp3 gives same behvior
[13:27] <lokai> ouch spelling.
[13:28] <drostie> can you hack something together with ls and backticks?
[13:29] <lokai> well if * doesnt expect it correctly then I'm a loss as to what to do
[13:29] <lokai> *expand
[13:30] <lokai> hmmm maybe GUI drag and drop? ^^
[13:30] <drostie> what sort of filenames are we talking about, here?
[13:30] <drostie> and how many? Can tab-completion shed some light on the problem?
[13:31] <lokai> tab completion works correctly. Filenames with spaces, japaneses characters, and degree signs
[13:31] <lokai> all sorts of garbage
[13:31] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: do the tab completed files delete ok?
[13:32] <lokai> no, same problem.
[13:33] <ActionParsnip1> ahhh
[13:33] <ActionParsnip1> then its not mouted user writable
[13:34] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: sudo umount /mount/point
[13:34] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: what file system is the SD card formatted?
[13:34] <lokai> yeah not that simple...Im working with a SD card instead an ebook reader.
[13:35] <ActionParsnip1> we can still mess with it
[13:35] <vadi01> who uses kde 4.2 on kubuntu 8.10 here?
[13:35] <ActionParsnip1> vadi01: me
[13:35] <vadi01> graphics kinda bad
[13:35] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: if you run: sudo fdisk -l   what is the file system?
[13:35] <ActionParsnip1> vadi01: wouldnt know, i use fluxbox
[13:35] <drostie> ActionParsnip1: just let mount work it out for itself?
[13:36] <ActionParsnip1> drostie: looks like its tried and mounted it read only
[13:36] <ActionParsnip1> vadi01: is that a question or a statement?
[13:36] <drostie> welll, then specify -o defaults,rw or something ^_^
[13:37] <ActionParsnip1> drostie: i was gonna use -o uid=1000
[13:37] <lokai> I don't think fdisk -l is listing it
[13:37] <lokai> I get sda1 through sda6, all of which are (im pretty sure) not my device
[13:37] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: is the card still mounted?
[13:37] <lokai> no
[13:37] <drostie> can you remount it?
[13:38] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: ok, remove the sd card, wait a bit, shove it back in, wait a bit
[13:38] <drostie> as in, stick it back in the drive etc.?
[13:38] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: once its mounted again run mount with no arguments and it will say where its mounted
[13:39] <lokai> the problem is that I have to go through the book reader as a "portal", which has its own filesystem as well.
[13:39] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: its more than likely fat32 or fat16
[13:40] <drostie> ok, on to boot from the jaunty alpha 5 livecd and see whether my internet can be reconfigured there... ^_^
[13:41] <lokai> The only way I can mount it in the first place is with a python program (not mine), so I think this is a bit trickier than moutning a filesystem.
[13:41] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: sounds like it, theres gotta be some way round it
[13:41] <ActionParsnip1> sounds like a project
[13:41] <ActionParsnip1> can you sudo rm <one mp3>
[13:41] <lokai> I'll look into it ;)
[13:41] <lokai> no, doesnt work
[13:42] <lokai> tried it
[13:42] <ActionParsnip1> damn thats gonna be tough to crack
[13:42] <chaoslang> -_- is there some documents tell the usage of debhelper
[13:42] <ActionParsnip1> chaoslang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debhelper
[13:42] <ActionParsnip1> chaoslang: man debhelper
[13:46] <chaoslang> ActionParsnip1: 3q  it is not what i want
[13:50] <kevin147> Hello
[13:53] <Kevin147> Hello
[13:54] <Kevin147> any1 here?
[13:54] <Kevin147> :O
[13:56] <mefisto__> !hi
[13:57] <Kevin147> Can I help people??
[13:57] <mefisto__> sure, if someone asks a question
[13:58] <Kevin147> Yes?
[13:58] <Kevin147> okay**
[14:04] <drostie> D: the jaunty alpha 5 cd has the same error on their Network Management settings, and also doesn't come with knetworkmanager preinstalled >_<
[14:07] <mefisto__> drostie: you can install wicd. it's in jaunty repos
[14:07] <Pici> !beta
[14:07] <Pici> er, thats not what I meant./
[14:08] <Pici> !jaunty
[14:08] <lokai> k I did something stupid. I made a dir "~" in ~/. How do I remove it?
[14:08] <drostie> mefisto: I don't think you understand. Without wifi, there are no repos.
[14:08] <bothorsen> lokai: rmdir \~ perhaps?
[14:12] <drostie> Pici: I know jaunty isn't always the most popular topic here, but I insist that my problems are much more with kubuntu than with ubuntu jaunty.
[14:12] <Pici> drostie: #ubuntu+1 is for Kubuntu and Ubuntu Jaunty
[14:13] <drostie> And this place is for kubuntu. What's your point?
[14:13] <lokai> yeah, I tried rm -r ~ without thinking earlier. Luckily I realized a half sec after I typed the command so the damage wasnt too bad.
[14:13] <lokai> =(
[14:13] <lokai> have to reconfigure my key bindings =(
[14:13] <Kevin147> I got Kubuntu
[14:14] <lokai> could be worse.
[14:14] <drostie> anyway, off to try to get internet from the kubuntu live cd. again. --_--;;
[14:15] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:18] <manumar> hello
[14:18] <manumar> i have apache 2
[14:18] <manumar> etc and i want to put my domains dns to my computer
[14:18] <manumar> my domain manu-mar.es
[14:19] <manumar> I put this dns for redirect to everyDNS
[14:19] <manumar> and in this web i create an acount etc buut it run
[14:19] <manumar> not always
[14:23] <lokai> what is the package name for ccsm (the compiz effects manager)?
[14:29] <mefisto__> compizconfig-settings-manager
[14:32] <lokai> thanks
[14:32] <suklaa> hi
[14:33] <suklaa> i need help
[14:33] <suklaa> with storage media
[14:33] <suklaa> it can't be loaded
[14:33] <suklaa> anyone knows how to fix it?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> suklaa USB, nmemstick, compact/flash , smartmedia ?
[14:35] <suklaa> nmemstick?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> err memstick
[14:36] <suklaa> thanks, but i'm a newbie, what is memstick? @_@
[14:36] <BluesKaj> suklaa , what kind of media connection are you trying to load ?
[14:37] <manumar> emm
[14:37] <BluesKaj> memstick is usually used with digital camera storage
[14:37] <suklaa> well, i have windows as well. so the storage media are actually those hard diskes on my windows
[14:38] <BluesKaj> ok suklaa , which kubuntu version are you using ?
[14:38] <suklaa> i'm using 8.04
[14:39] <BluesKaj> with kde 3.5 or 4
[14:39] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:39] <suklaa> hmm
[14:40] <suklaa> eh, i dunno. how to ckeck it?
[14:40] <suklaa> check*
[14:40] <BluesKaj> suklaa, in the Konsole : lsb_release -a
[14:41] <suklaa> ok, thanks!
[14:41] <drostie> :D live cd internet working! ^___________^
[14:41] <drostie> and \o/ enzovoort.
[14:42] <BluesKaj> suklaa , open konqueror /Help/ About KDE
[14:42] <suklaa> ok
[14:43] <suklaa> ok, it's 3.5.9
[14:44] <steve__> can anyone help me setup a gamesurge connection?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> ok, open dolphin , look for" volume (ntfs)"
[14:45] <suklaa> ok
[14:46] <steve__> can anyone help me setup a gamesurge connection?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> suklaa, it will be listed on the left hand side under places
[14:47] <suklaa> thank you. well, there's no "places"...
[14:47] <BluesKaj> steve__ , try #quakenet
[14:47] <steve__> thanks
[14:48] <steve__> #quakenet
[14:48] <BluesKaj> suklaa, do you your Home Icon and Network Icon etc in Dolphin ?
[14:48] <manumar> hello
[14:48] <manumar> how can I execute a .pl file?
[14:49] <suklaa> no, i don't
[14:49] <manumar> I need it for everydns.net
[14:49] <steve__> blue go back
[14:50] <steve__> blue go back to quakenet pls
[14:50] <BluesKaj> steve__ the quakenet chat doesn't exist on freenode ...google it
[14:50] <steve__> sorry OK
[14:52] <BluesKaj> manumar , try  #apache
[14:54] <BluesKaj> suklaa, in the Konsole : sudo fdisk -l
[14:54] <suklaa> ok
[14:58] <suklaa> hm, BluesKaj, what's next?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> suklaa, read this tuorial ..it can expalin it better than i can : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/i-want-to-mount-ntfs-partitions-after-booting-kubuntu-435704/
[14:59] <suklaa> thank you, BluesKaj!
[15:00] <BluesKaj> np suklaa :)
[15:00] <suklaa> :)
[15:00] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[15:02] <BentFranklin> hi AP
[15:02] <ActionParsnip1> hi BentFranklin
[15:11] <ActionParsnip1> wow its pretty quiet
[15:16] <XPS_M1330> I actually run on ubuntu 8.04. I want to switch to KDE and upgrade to 8.10. I have a kubuntu 8.10 CD. will I be able to upgrade the system while keeping settings and data?
[15:17] <JuJuBee> I just got a new laptop (core2 duo 2.53 w/ 6G ram).  SHould I install the 64 bit version of kubuntu?
[15:18] <JuJuBee> XPS_M1330: why not install kubunt-desktop and then do the version upgrade after...
[15:18] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: if you don't, you won't get to use 6GB ram
[15:18] <XPS_M1330> somehow I thought it would be more simple that way
[15:18] <JuJuBee> mefisto__: I am more concerned about compatibility.  Will there be compat issues?
[15:19] <XPS_M1330> because if I installed KDE-desktop now it'll be Kde 3.5, then I'd have to upgrade to 8,10 then KDe4.2
[15:19] <XPS_M1330> and I can't do the 8.10 network upgrade because I reached my download limit for the month
[15:20] <mefisto__> XPS_M1330: do you have a separate /home partition? or a backup of your home dir?
[15:20] <JuJuBee> Ah, then you should backup and install from CD.
[15:23] <ActionParsnip1> XPS_M1330: you can install the beta I think KDE4.2 is intrepid and higher: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6360716
[15:24] <mefisto__> XPS_M1330: you can do an upgrade from the alternate cd, but not livecd
[15:25] <mefisto__> XPS_M1330: if it's livecd, you have to do a new install, so backup everything you want to keep
[15:25] <XPS_M1330> shit
[15:25] <XPS_M1330> ok thanks
[15:25] <mefisto__> !upgrade
[15:26] <ActionParsnip1> XPS_M1330: if you'd read the upgrade notes before downloading ou would have seen it uses the alternative disk
[15:27] <XPS_M1330> so if I install from the liveCD, all the partitions will be erased?
[15:27] <ActionParsnip1> XPS_M1330: no, if you want to install with live cd you will have to makes some space to install the OS or remove the current partitions
[15:28] <XPS_M1330> can't I install on the same partitions and it would do like an upgrrade?
[15:28] <Rythan> XPS_M1330 No. Not from the Live CD
[15:29] <XPS_M1330> darn!
[15:29] <Rythan> XPS_M1330 Live CD formats all partitions with no option not to
[15:29] <XPS_M1330> most simple solution is to upgrade to 8.10 then install KDE ?
[15:30] <XPS_M1330> I'll have to go to university during spring break to steal bandwidth
[15:30] <Rythan> Heh
[15:31] <JuJuBee> Rythan: I think that is incorrect.  I ahve installed from live CD adn not formatted my /home
[15:31] <DaSkreech> hi popey
[15:32] <Rythan> JuJuBee Hrm ... never tried it so you may be right ... it has been quite a while.
[15:32] <UnderWraps_> several hours ago I couldn't login and had several errors messages pop up "could not start kstartupconfig" then "call to lnusertemp failed {temp directoried full}". Could these errors be caused by a hard drive being nearly full? One drive is at 95%, but it is only a storage drive
[15:32] <XPS_M1330> JuJuBee: could you keep all settings and data?
[15:33] <UnderWraps_> I have had a look at several of the logs in var/log but couldn't see any obvious errors
[15:33] <JuJuBee> XPS_M1330: what do you mean by settings?
[15:33] <hondo> Any know troubles with 8.10 and mounting a separate partition for /home?
[15:33] <XPS_M1330> apps preferences and such
[15:34] <JuJuBee> hondo : no problem mounting sep part for /home
[15:34] <ActionParsnip1> hondo: none, i do it myself
[15:34] <XPS_M1330> if it didn't remove /home it kept the ~/.thunderbird/ etc...
[15:34] <Rythan> XPS_M1330 That is the thing I think may be an issue. Yes some settings would be saved if you do not format /home (This requires that /home be on a seperate partition) But any settings in /etc would be over written unless you had /etc on a seperate partition and chose not to format
[15:34] <ActionParsnip1> XPS_M1330: thunderbird is ~/.mozilla-thunderbird
[15:34] <hondo> ActionParsnip1, JuJuBee thanks -- I'm having a rough time of it
[15:35] <JuJuBee> XPS_M1330: if they are in your /home then they will save, if they are in /etc for example and /etc is under /, then they will get overwritten.  Let me state the obviuos.... BACKUP first.
[15:35] <XPS_M1330> ActionParsnip: ok, I just typed that randomly as an example
[15:35] <ActionParsnip1> XPS_M1330: just covering ll bases :)
[15:35] <Rythan> JuJuBee Always backup before an upgrade - learned that the hard way -- just once :)
[15:35] <XPS_M1330> how do I know how my disk is partitioned? I'm used to a nice graphical "diskdrake" app in mandriva :P
[15:35] <XPS_M1330> fdisk II guess
[15:36] <hondo> In trying to move from 8.04 to 8.10, I installed 8.10 on a separate partition and used the same /home partition I used previousy
[15:36] <hondo> previously
[15:36] <Rythan> XPS_M1330 Yes. All that is important is that you have /home on it's own partition. You can also backup /home somewhere and restore it after upgrade too.
[15:37] <hondo> Now I get a boot error "cannot access ./home
[15:37] <hondo> "
[15:37] <XPS_M1330> I actually run on ubuntu 8.04. I want to switch to KDE and upgrade to 8.10. I have a kubuntu 8.10 CD. will I be able to upgrade the system while keeping settings and data?
[15:37] <XPS_M1330> oops sorry
[15:37] <Rythan> XPS_M1330 I have done that method with little to no ill effects
[15:37] <deepthought> what channel for jaunty ?
[15:37] <XPS_M1330> Rythan: thanks,  I get that. I just need to figure how my disk is partitionned
[15:37] <XPS_M1330> geoff@dell-desktop:~$ fdisk /dev/sda
[15:37] <XPS_M1330> Unable to open /dev/sda
[15:37] <XPS_M1330> geoff@dell-desktop:~$ fdisk /dev/hda
[15:37] <XPS_M1330> Unable to open /dev/hda
[15:37] <mefisto__> deepthought: #ubuntu+1
[15:38] <deepthought> mefisto__: thanx !
[15:38] <mefisto__> XPS_M1330: sudo fdisk
[15:38] <deepthought> mefisto__: for kubuntu kubuntu+1 ?
[15:39] <hw> !firefox
[15:39] <XPS_M1330> mefisto__: right! thanks. I'm not used to that "sudo" stuff
[15:39] <mefisto__> deepthought: don't think there is a separate kubuntu jaunty channel
[15:39] <XPS_M1330> hw: try opera
[15:39] <hw> !firefox hardy
[15:39] <deepthought> mefisto__: ok, iĺl try there... seeya (through tha wirez that iz)
[15:40] <hw> Hmm, what happends to the fonts of firefox in hardy... ?
[15:41] <ActionParsnip1> !fonts
[15:42] <XPS_M1330> I figure it nothing is mounted as /home/ then /home is part of the root partition?
[15:42] <Daviey> XPS_M1330: yes
[15:43] <ActionParsnip1> XPS_M1330: /home (if you are using a seperate partition) will be an empty folder
[15:43] <XPS_M1330> is there a visual disk utility that would display a disk's partitions and free space like diskdrake?
[15:43] <ActionParsnip1> XPS_M1330: then when you mount to it, it becomes populated
[15:43] <ActionParsnip1> XPS_M1330: sudo fdisk -l and df -h
[15:44] <XPS_M1330> what does fdisk -l do?
[15:44] <XPS_M1330> ActionParsnip: thanks, df is what I was looking for
[15:49] <UnixOne> Different Wallpaper per Desktop. Is that possible in KDE4.2?
[15:51] <deepthought> Slartibartfast: deepthought sez hi !
[15:52] <Slartibartfast> deepthought hehehe ... earth will give the answer
[15:52] <joshjtl> hey folks in intrepids version of kde, are multiple panels still unavailable? kde has been fully released right? no longer just a preview version?
[15:52] <Slartibartfast> 42
[15:52] <hondo> JuJuBee, ActionParsnip: Is it possible that during the install of the second instance of Kubuntu that it reads a setting from /home telling it to use proprietary nvidia drivers that aren't yet installed on the new instance of Kubuntu?
[15:53] <UnixOne> joshjtl: yes multipanel is possible, I have kubuntu 8.10 and kde4.2
[15:53] <UnixOne> but one panel is enough
[15:53] <UnixOne> for me
[15:53] <deepthought> Slartibartfast: indeed my age, sorry for the offtopic-frenz all users !
[15:53] <joshjtl> right for you :)
[15:54] <UnixOne> I don't even need a panel. I need a dock and a finder like osx
[15:54] <UnixOne> :P
[15:54] <joshjtl> UnixOne: do you use any of the linux alternatives?
[15:54] <joshjtl> i forgot to upgrade to 4.2
[15:54] <UnixOne> joshjtl: what do you mean? by linux alternative?
[15:55] <DaSkreech> UnixOne: No It's not, Write one :)
[15:55] <afeijo> who knows eeepc ? how to boot using my USB?
[15:55] <UnixOne> I have kubuntu as my main os, but will install osx in 2 weeks on my second hd.
[15:55] <afeijo> what key should I press on the boot startup?
[15:56] <UnixOne> DaSkreech: however. I can write an app that changes wallpapers.. If I knew who to tell that it shall chaneg the  wally
[15:56] <UnixOne> I mean it's not saved in gconf as I know :D
[15:57] <joshjtl> I would REALLY like to see a kde theme like this: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Schwermetall?content=55578  or like this even! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=603348
[15:57] <DaSkreech> UnixOne: Ha ha :) Take a look at the current desktop Container plugin. You may want to jum in #kwin to ask them what you need to get from dbus to know of a desktop change
[15:59] <UnixOne> DaSkreech: It would be a timesaver if there was already such thing. I was talking about a shell script.
[15:59] <UnixOne> Diashow for my desktop is.. useless
[15:59] <joshjtl> tell me thats not goregous
[16:00] <UnixOne> a wallpaper per desktop is not possible in kde4.2??
[16:00] <DaSkreech> UnixOne: not for KDE 4.2 as far as I know I would suspect there is already support in KDE 4.3 though I honestly hven't checked. I would say if you are going to fix a small issue fix it properly
[16:00] <DaSkreech> UnixOne:
[16:00] <DaSkreech> Not as it shipped
[16:00] <UnixOne> DaSkreech: yes, I remember there was support for a wallpaper per desktop on an old 3.x kde
[16:01] <DaSkreech> UnixOne: Yes KDE4 Desktop was rewritten from scratch so somethings are just coming back in. The entire background system is a plugin so you can simply write a plugin (patch in this case) to get that in
[16:01] <UnixOne> DaSkreech: this guy has the same opinion about kde as me http://forum.kde.org/kde4-composite-vs-kde4-activity-t-10158.html and all he got told is wait.
[16:02] <hondo> If I try to install 8.10 using a separate legacy partition for /home the install fails; however, if I empty the /home partition the install succeeds. Any thoughts?
[16:02] <DaSkreech> Which guy?
[16:02] <UnixOne> DaSkreech: cool, I just learned latex. i know java etc. and now it's time for (what language do you use for kde programming) ?
[16:03] <DaSkreech> In generall C++
[16:03] <DaSkreech> It's like a Java that points :)
[16:03] <UnixOne> DaSkreech: trops. in that link I sent you
[16:03] <joshjtl> it doesnt seem like kde 4 themes have gone very far...
[16:04] <joshjtl> anyone know if konqueror can be used properly with gmail yet
[16:04] <UnixOne> I've got a half year of experience with c++, which is by far not enough. I tend to write deadly loops, which lock the system out :D
[16:04] <UnixOne> joshjtl: why don't you use kontact?
[16:05] <chris__> hi everyone
[16:05] <UnixOne> it's the best PIM dato, I've used
[16:05] <joshjtl> UnixOne: i like gmails web interface... it also has chat built in
[16:05] <DaSkreech> UnixOne: There is "some support" for what they are talking about but it's not visible to users
[16:05] <neo_schranzer> wasn't it easy chris? :D
[16:06] <UnixOne> joshjtl: then add a plasma widget onto your desktop with a webbrowser.. there is such a widget
[16:06] <chris__> would anyone mind helping me to install a theme for kubuntu
[16:06] <UnixOne> chris__: which version?
[16:06] <chris__> 8.1
[16:06] <joshjtl> UnixOne: what would that do?
[16:06] <chris__> i went to kde-look.org and got one that i really liked, but i can't get it to install
[16:07] <chris__> yeah it really was neo...thanks
[16:07] <chairman_> yeahno problem. click on settings,then desktop,and go from there
[16:07] <neo_schranzer> good ;)
[16:08] <UnixOne> joshjtl: just http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kontact
[16:08] <UnixOne> chris__: do you have kde4.2ß
[16:08] <UnixOne> ?
[16:08] <chris__> no i have 4.1
[16:08] <chris__> i haven't been able to update to 4.2
[16:09] <UnixOne> ah. In kde4.2 that's automatic. it downloads themes automatically from the web, when you select it
[16:09] <chris__> well then i don't know
[16:09] <UnixOne> chris__: same for emoticons, wallpapers, designs, grub usplash, etc.
[16:09] <UnixOne> chris__: just activate the backports ;)
[16:10] <chris__> ok i don't wanna sound stupid here...lol...but how do i do that
[16:10] <joshjtl> UnixOne: it also just seems like kde devs could add whatever is necessary to make gmail work in konqueror, its a very widely used website
[16:10] <DaSkreech> joshjtl: Other way around
[16:11] <UnixOne> np chris__ open adept -> goto sources
[16:11] <UnixOne> np chris__ edit the software sources
[16:11] <UnixOne> np chris__ adept is open/remove software
[16:11] <chris__> ok
[16:11] <XPS_M1330> someone told me the other day to install some app that tests battery usage and makes suggestions
[16:11] <XPS_M1330> can't remember what that program is
[16:12] <chris__> ok i've got adept up
[16:12] <UnixOne> sup
[16:12] <chris__> is it odd that i've also got synaptic?
[16:12] <UnixOne> no
[16:12] <UnixOne> you could also do the same in synaptic. I prefer synaptic over adept
[16:12] <chris__> alright let me start up synaptic
[16:12] <chris__> i've got more use with that
[16:13] <UnixOne> chris__: I guess you know howto edit software sources there..
[16:13] <chris__> what repositories do i use?
[16:13] <UnixOne> chris__: mark all except sources
[16:14] <chris__> ok
[16:14] <mefisto__> chris__: in the updates tab, turn on "unsupported updates"
[16:14] <chris__> ok
[16:15] <MaGicKanGaRoo> is there a channel dedicated to jaunty
[16:15]  * MaGicKanGaRoo bets its called jaunty...
[16:15] <mefisto__> MaGicKanGaRoo: #ubuntu+1
[16:15] <UnixOne> joshjtl: hey this maybe exactly what you've been searching for ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p97_H9ZIfMc&fmt=18 &fmt=18 makes the quality higher
[16:16] <joshjtl> what browser do you all use mainly?
[16:16] <chris__> thanks unixone
[16:16] <chris__> and mefisto
[16:17] <UnixOne> joshjtl: midori plus latest webkit. opera latest
[16:18] <chris__> i've got to head to work, but my computer is updating right now so hopefully i'll be good to go
[16:18] <joshjtl> ah opera probably works better than firefox
[16:18] <joshjtl> i remember reading about a firefox-qt project
[16:20] <UnixOne> joshjtl: firefox-qt?
[16:20] <joshjtl> yeah
[16:23] <UnixOne> cool there is animated wallpapers for plasma
[16:23] <UnixOne> I already know that you can use xml as wallpaper so you've got timed wallpapers. evening morning etc.
[16:24] <tomek> witam
[16:24] <MaGicKanGaRoo> thanks mefisto
[16:25] <doktoreas_> is there a kubuntu livecd with just kde 4.2 ?
[16:25] <tomek> english only?
[16:25] <tomek> czy po polsku tez?
[16:25] <Pici> !pl
[16:25] <tomek> thx
[16:26] <UnixOne> doktoreas_ no but try jaunty
[16:27] <joshjtl> i am still pretty unhappy with adept
[16:27] <joshjtl> is there a repo i need to add to get opera ?
[16:28] <UnixOne> joshjtl: no goto www.opera.com
[16:28] <UnixOne> joshjtl: you also install opera 10.. wich alpha :D
[16:29] <UnixOne> but somehow more stable than the final of 9.63 imho
[16:29] <joshjtl> ok thx
[16:29] <UnixOne> take gcc4 qt4 ^
[16:29] <joshjtl> oh right
[16:30] <UnixOne> I use opera's irc often. it's nice
[16:32] <joshjtl> UnixOne: hmmm i only see gcc4 qt3
[16:33] <BentFranklin> I want to make an automated backup script for full system dumps to a NAS samba share.  I don't care about incrementals.  I don't trust the NAS to preserve ownerships/permissions.  Could I just tar from root, then zip it and copy it over.  What happens when tar runs into its own output file?  Are there downsides to tarring?  I've read most of the !backups links.  Also, to restore the tar to a new disk, I'd have to install to that di
[16:33] <BentFranklin> from CD, then install samba.  Then, when I untar, how do I make sure it erases/overwrites everything?
[16:33] <UnixOne> joshjtl: it was for opera10 only http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/10.0-Alpha-1/intel-linux/
[16:33] <UnixOne> the last item
[16:34] <UnixOne> yeah I found a wallpaper changer for kde
[16:34] <UnixOne> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Wally?content=98455
[16:34] <joshjtl> yeah not 64bit though
[16:35] <UnixOne> joshjtl: there is a 64 version, go one or two folder ip
[16:35] <UnixOne> up
[16:35] <UnixOne> http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/10.0-Alpha-1/x86_64-linux/
[16:35] <joshjtl> UnixOne: right but its gcc4 qt3
[16:36] <UnixOne> I've got 32bit.. so
[16:37] <joshjtl> weird they would make it for 32 and have other ones for 64
[16:37] <UnixOne> hehe
[16:37] <UnixOne> 64bit ain't popular enough yet. but thanks to amd it goes more into the public
[16:38] <joshjtl> it really is popular enough now
[16:41] <UnixOne> cu
[16:42] <joshjtl> l8r thx
[16:58] <shadeslayer> yayy new kernel
[16:59] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip:new kernel and menu.list fixed splash
[16:59] <snikker> hi, "num lock" button (even if it's enabled) doesn't work inside nano editor (i'm unable to type numbers with num pad), but work fine inside konsole... how fix this?
[16:59] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: but it also gave me a option to chain load to grub 2 :O
[17:00] <BentFranklin> I want to make a full system dump to a NAS samba share.  I've read most of the !backups links.  Are there downsides to tar?  Does it preserve permissions?   Also, to restore the system to a new disk, I'd first have to install a bare system and samba to that disk, and then untar.  How do I make sure it erases/overwrites everything and doesn't leave cruft.
[17:05] <shadeslayer> anyone who has the new kernel???
[17:06] <shadeslayer> no one??
[17:06] <shadeslayer> strange
[17:07] <snikker> shadeslayer: i've got it
[17:07] <UnderWraps_> shadeslayer: what is the new kernel?
[17:07] <snikker> shadeslayer: i've instelled it about - min ago...
[17:07] <snikker> shadeslayer: about 10-150 min. ago... why?
[17:08] <snikker> shadeslayer: he's go away :)
[17:10] <mefisto__> snikker: start nano with the -K option
[17:10] <fernando> alguien que hable español
[17:10] <Guest58081> I have problem with gambas
[17:11] <snikker> mefisto__: ok, now i try...
[17:11] <snikker> mefisto__: it doesn't work...
[17:12] <mefisto__> snikker: it does for me. nano -K
[17:12] <snikker> mefisto__: sorry, it work!!! i've typed lowercase k,
[17:12] <snikker> mefisto__: thank you very much :)
[17:15] <snikker> mefisto__: every time i must tupe -K option, or is possible to workaround this?
[17:18] <mefisto__> snikker: you could make an alias to start it with the -K option, and put it in ~/.bash_aliases or ~/.bashrc
[17:19] <snikker> mefisto__: ok, very good... thanks again!
[17:26] <joshjtl> any way of making adept use synaptic as a backend?
[17:32] <pisnaz> G-day all
[17:34] <pisnaz> DaSkreech: quick q for you when you get a min.
[17:34] <DaSkreech> Uh huh
[17:34] <pisnaz> what do you use for tagging of mp3s and album covers?  Just amarok or..?
[17:35] <pisnaz> it appears my collection is wacky lol
[17:36] <DaSkreech> Well there was a mass id3 tagger that I used until I realised that a lot of my files are physically incorrectly named
[17:37] <DaSkreech> and with like 55 GB of Music that's an issue :)
[17:37] <DaSkreech>  so I just made a huge playlist and started eliminating thigns I knew to be correct and fixing stuff that was obviously wrong
[17:37] <pisnaz> oh lovely..Yeah not having great luck witha  ton of the taggers out there.  Even picard is acting up, think it may be due to the majority of my album tags saying Best of and causing chaos.
[17:37] <DaSkreech> Sooo that's not a lot of help :)
[17:38] <pisnaz> Sigh afraid you were gonna say that rofl
[17:38] <DaSkreech> I think that Amarok had a special case for best of
[17:38] <pisnaz> Nasty thing is I was sure I did that prior to my last backup
[17:38] <DaSkreech> or was it various artists?
[17:38] <DaSkreech> one of the two
[17:38] <pisnaz> various artists I think
[17:39] <DaSkreech> Well if you are in Amarok ask wheels about tagging that would be the guy in the know
[17:39] <pisnaz> May bring the media system up to amarok2, and start working I guess.  or open a smb share and use the tagger off my win system.
[17:39] <pisnaz> oh never thought of that
[17:41] <pisnaz> lol nice topic in amarok
[18:00] <pisnaz> brb
[18:10] <Shura`> Hi there. I have a problem. When I close Konqueror, all cookies are deleted. So the next time I start Konqueror, I have to re-log in every sites… Someone can help me please ? Thank you
[18:16] <nyad> hello, I am trying to host warcraft3 games with wine, I did this on 8.04 no problem, but in 8.10 people can't join my games but I can join theirs. I have forwarded all my ports and the system is configured the same as my 8.04 one yet they can't join, what must I do to fix this?
[18:17] <nyad> must I add the warcraft server to /etc/hosts?  or should I place my lan IP of 10,0,0,x there?
[18:23] <SJr|Work> I keep getting "Your monitor setup has changed" prompts about 4 per second, making KDE unusable. I'm not sure how to prevent it from happening.
[18:27] <J_A_X> hey guys.  Having some sound problems here
[18:27] <J_A_X> using ALSA, but there seems to be a conflict between Audacious and the flash player
[18:28] <J_A_X> they can't work at the same time, and sometimes won't be able to play at all unless firefox/audacious is restarted
[18:28] <J_A_X> any way to fix this?
[18:32] <Codd> im on 8.10 with latest updates/upgrades installed and nvidia 177 binary blob on a XFX6200 w/256mb vram and 512MB RAM. I have some eyecandy going and it seems to be pretty fluid but when ever I scroll in a web page (firefox/konq) or a large folder (Dolphin) I get some really nasty slow downs and page tearing where it looks like a half second delay between the left and right hand of the screen being rendered followed by another half
[18:32] <Codd> second of gui lockup before I scan scroll again
[18:32] <Codd> anyone else have similar issues?
[18:37] <ActionParsnip> Codd: could try the 173 driver or the 180 driver to test
[18:47] <Codd> ActionParsnip; the 180 driver doesn't show up in hardware manager, how do i get it?
[18:50] <LOGANonUBUNTU> hello, on kubuntu 8.10 live mode the screen flashes to black for a milisecond every few seconds. is that a known issue?
[18:51] <Codd> LOGANonUBUNTU: what kind of video card and what drivers are you using?
[18:51] <LOGANonUBUNTU> Also I sort of miss my apps I use normally (on windows) like firefox and pidgin. It has some alternatives. Why arent the big names on the CD? (I tend to use the buntus in live mode for now)
[18:51] <LOGANonUBUNTU> I have an nvideo gforce 8800 something
[18:52] <Codd> LOGANonUBUNTU: I hear you with firefox and pidgin, you can install them via terminal 'sudo apt-get install firefox pidgin'
[18:53] <UnderWraps_> shura: have a look in Konqueror/settings/configure Konqueror, there is a section devoted to cookies
[18:53] <LOGANonUBUNTU> Codd: I hear you but as a live cd user it would be more usefull if it was 'pre-installed'
[18:53] <vbgunz> I honestly dont think sound will be up to par even with Windows for atleast several years. theres always sound problems and you're just lucky if it works at all even on a card create by Richard M Stallman himself :P
[18:53] <LOGANonUBUNTU> i like the GUI of kubuntu better than Ubuntu I think
[18:53] <LOGANonUBUNTU> On ubuntu I miss the cool widgets :D
[18:54] <Codd> LOGANonUBUNTU: same here, I find for installing eyecandy and themes/backgrounds kde is much better and slicker
[18:54] <Codd> theres still widgets in kde ... just click the right end of the task bar ;)
[18:56] <LOGANonUBUNTU> things I miss in kubuntu are Firefox, Gimp, Open Office, VLC, Blender and probably a few more. Using those apps will ease old windows hags like me into kubuntu easier. Im on Ubuntu right now, because it has familar apps. (And doesnt blink every few seconds
[18:56] <LOGANonUBUNTU> no widgets in Ubuntu?
[18:58] <Codd> LOGANonUBUNTU: I have to say that from using linux for the past 8yrs I think it is getting pretty good, I've installed ubuntu/kubuntu on a couple of machines for friends that just surf once in a while on somewhat old hardware and they think I'm a god after I show them how to install / search synaptic
[19:00] <Codd> LOGANonUBUNTU: so do you have the nvidia drivers installed or the open source drivers?
[19:01] <LOGANonUBUNTU> i run live CD
[19:01] <LOGANonUBUNTU> so i run it 'out of the box'
[19:01] <Codd> check in Applications > System > Hardware Drivers
[19:02] <Codd> sometimes it installs on its own sometimes not...
[19:02] <mefisto__> Codd: that's not going to work on livecd though, since you need to reboot after the drivers install
[19:03] <LOGANonUBUNTU> you can isntall software with live but drivers is harder I guess...
[19:03] <Codd> is there a kernel line you can add to get it to install automatically?
[19:07] <dromer> Codd: do you know why the nvidia 180 drivers are not in ubuntu yet?
[19:08] <dromer> or do I need to run jaunty for those?
[19:08] <Codd> dromer: right now I can get that in jaunty but pulseaudio is messed up so I had to back down
[19:09] <dromer> that's because puleaudio sucks
[19:09] <dromer> hmmm, but I just upgraded to intrepid
[19:09] <dromer> and I don't really want to run unstable on this machine
[19:09] <Codd> right now it does ... pretty bad too, I was getting some nasty stuttering
[19:09] <dromer> or testing for that matter
[19:10] <dromer> ok, sucks
[19:10] <dromer> hmm, I'm having so trouble with the tvout of my geforce 6200
[19:10] <dromer> I can only get b/w output
[19:10] <dromer> and sometimes x flips out on the output and it's in color, except all the red is green
[19:10] <Codd> dromer: did u check the settings in 'nvidia-settings'?
[19:11] <dromer> there's not anything to set
[19:11] <Codd> nothing?
[19:11] <dromer> like pal/ntsc or something
[19:11] <dromer> wel, nothing related to color or anything, I tried the 177 and 173 driver
[19:11] <dromer> too bad the 180 driver isn't available yet, that might fix it ..
[19:12] <vital> anyone know of any other kde-svn repository but the project-neon one?  the neon repository isn't updated since a long time
[19:13] <Codd> dromer: I have the same card and a CRT TV connected to the s-video, under "GPU0" I get TV-0 with a buch of options relating to things like hue, staturation ...etc
[19:13] <Codd> thats with 177 drivers
[19:13] <dromer> wel ok, I get _that_ but those settings don't help anything
[19:14] <dromer> you have normal color output?
[19:14] <dromer> hmmm, I'm using an svid>comp converter though .. but I don't think that should matter
[19:16] <Codd> my color is fine (other than the fact I need to get a new TV ;)  but I think the driver might try to do some 'magic' by trying to detect settings of the tv on start up
[19:17] <dromer> hmm
[19:19] <Codd> I know when I first installed kubuntu the tv was off and when I turned it on I got some nasty garbage on the screen but when I left it on and restarted it started to work again
[19:19] <Codd> if the tv isn't on when the driver loads it messes up
[19:19] <dromer> well that's not the case, I rebooted a couple of times
[19:20] <dromer> I'm going to revert to 177 again (have 173 now), but I don't think there's anyting extra in the settings
[19:20] <mefisto__> can't you download the 180 driver?
[19:21] <Codd> only if you hit on one of the devels ;)
[19:22] <dromer> not from the hardware drivers manager, and my experience with ubuntu is shit gets messed up when installing non ubuntu packages or eslf-compiled software .. I'm sure going around the hardware driver manager will mess things up good
[19:23] <jussi01> !ohmy | dromer
[19:23] <dromer> sorry jussi01
[19:23] <dromer> did I say the s-word?
[19:24]  * dromer restart pc for 177 to be used, brb
[19:25] <SJr|Work> How do I install KDE 4.2 on Interprid, I uncommented backports, but I'm still getting some things being held back
[19:26] <roby> salve
[19:29] <psyk0> #
[19:32] <goofey> SJr|Work: this should work: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-kde-42-stable-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[19:32] <dromer> Codd: hmmm, I actually think it might be the card or the converter-plug, because when booting up, both screens show the bios, which has some color in it which is b/w on the tv
[19:33] <SJr|Work> Oh so I shouldn't use the backports version
[19:34] <goofey> SJr|Work: all I know if those instructions worked for me
[19:34] <goofey> er, *is*, not if
[19:34] <mefisto__> SJr|Work: have you done sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  ?
[19:34] <SJr|Work> no
[19:35] <SJr|Work> I was doing an upgrade
[19:35] <mefisto__> SJr|Work: do the dist-upgrade and you should get the "held back" ones installed
[19:36] <SJr|Work> Hmmmm I think I'm heavily corrupted
[19:37] <mefisto__> corrupted?
[19:37] <SJr|Work> HMMMM after I log in via KDM I don't get anything of use
[19:37] <SJr|Work> it just hangs
[19:37] <SJr|Work> Even with a dist-upgrade
[19:38] <mefisto__> did you get all the available upgrades?
[19:38] <SJr|Work> Yes I'm doing this on the command line
[19:38] <mefisto__> and they all installed without errors?
[19:38] <SJr|Work> Oh fixed it, I needed to grab kubuntu-desktop as well it looks like
[19:40] <mefisto__> is it 4.2 now? check in konqueror or konsole help menu, about KDE
[19:41] <SJr|Work> Yup it appears to be
[19:55] <MaPkO> hello alls
[19:56] <MaPkO> please for help ? :S
[19:56] <Codd> MaPkO: whats up
[19:57] <MaPkO> i have big problem :(
[19:57] <MaPkO> with my wireless
[19:57] <MaPkO> please for help.. :/
[19:57] <Codd> ...
[19:57] <Codd> whats the problem?
[19:57] <Codd> :)
[19:57] <MaPkO> i`m connecting to my router
[19:57] <MaPkO> with usb wireless adapter
[19:57] <MaPkO> the connection is WAP protected
[19:57] <MaPkO> i enter the password
[19:57] <MaPkO> and i got connection..
[19:57] <MaPkO> but.. i got IP adress from DHCP
[19:58] <MaPkO> but when i try to ping google.com or the gateway i dont have nothing back :(
[19:58] <Codd> try to ping somthing 'ping www.google.ca
[19:59] <MaPkO> i was try to search on web .. maybe someone has the seem trouble, i try everything but nothing
[19:59] <MaPkO> yes i try to ping google.com
[19:59] <MaPkO> also try to open web site
[19:59] <Codd> what happens?
[19:59] <MaPkO> ping gateway
[19:59] <MaPkO> nothing... no connection :S
[19:59] <joshjtl> check out these intersting kde/qt projects: http://api.qt-apps.org/content/show.php/Antico+Deluxe?content=95422&PHPSESSID=88c96f46d75a76b5c2294091688e54f6      and     http://chakra-project.org/
[20:00] <Codd> can you paste the ping results in a PM ?
[20:00] <MaPkO> i`m on windows :S
[20:00] <MaPkO> my kubuntu is installed on another HDD
[20:00] <MaPkO> i must change to kubuntu i must..
[20:00] <MaPkO> i see on ifconfig also wmaster0
[20:00] <MaPkO> i try some commands founded on web
[20:01] <MaPkO> and i got also some error hardvare address something error.. 180
[20:01] <MaPkO> for that wmaster0
[20:01] <Codd> MaPkO: I don't think thats your wifi interface, it shows up but you should also have a 'wlan0' device
[20:02] <joshjtl> some really needs to make a kde theme like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=603348
[20:02] <MaPkO> yes i got wlan0
[20:03] <MaPkO> also on knetworkmanager
[20:03] <MaPkO> i`m connecting with knetworkmanager
[20:03] <MaPkO> i can connect wireless
[20:03] <MaPkO> i got ip from dhcp
[20:03] <Codd> what happens when you ping the router?
[20:03] <MaPkO> but when i try to surf or ping the router is unsuccessful
[20:04] <Codd> try to ping the router
[20:04] <MaPkO> yes i was try
[20:04] <MaPkO> i didnt get ping back
[20:04] <Codd> if your ip is '192.168.x.x' the ping should be 'ping 192.168.x.1'
[20:04] <MaPkO> 100& loss
[20:04] <MaPkO> no.. the router ip is 192.168.1.254
[20:04] <jschall> how can i get flash working in 64 bit konqueror?
[20:04] <Codd> does it time out or do you get 'no route to host'
[20:04] <MaPkO> i got ip x.x.1.64
[20:05] <MaPkO> i will now replace the hdd and i will run on the kubuntu
[20:05] <MaPkO> tell me everything what u need so i can save on the usb and give to you
[20:06] <Codd> MaPkO: It would be great if you could get the output for, lspci, iwconfig, ifconfig -a, lsmod
[20:06] <jschall> flash is only partly working in 64bit konqueror
[20:07] <Codd> and 'ping 192.168.1.254'
[20:07] <MaPkO> good :)
[20:07] <MaPkO> wait so save that commands on my usb..
[20:07] <MaPkO> and thanks you soo much for ur help !
[20:07] <Codd> np, I gotta reboot brb
[20:07] <MaPkO> kk
[20:14] <mefisto__> jschall: are you using the 64bit flash plugin?
[20:16] <jschall> mefisto__: yes
[20:17] <jschall> adept crashes a lot...
[20:28] <MaPkO> Codd
[20:28] <MaPkO> ?
[20:29] <Codd> yup
[20:29] <MaPkO> i got the outputs
[20:29] <MaPkO> http://paste.ubuntu.com/125462/
[20:29] <Codd> dont paste it here PM me and do it ther or goto pastebin.com
[20:29] <Codd> :)
[20:29] <MaPkO> there is the link :)
[20:30] <MaPkO> sure i will not paste 213 lines on the channel lol :)
[20:33] <Codd> MaPKO; just making sure ;)
[20:33] <MaPkO> so Codd what u mean ? :/ can be fixed this issue ?
[20:34] <Codd> it looks like you have 2 wired ethernet jacks and 1 wireless?
[20:35] <Codd> is that right?
[20:35] <MaPkO> yes
[20:35] <MaPkO> one ethernet on the motherboard
[20:35] <MaPkO> and one added
[20:35] <MaPkO> and wireless usb adapter
[20:35] <Codd> are you using any of them?
[20:35] <MaPkO> nope
[20:35] <Codd> the wired ones ...
[20:36] <MaPkO> at the moment none of the wired connections i use
[20:36] <MaPkO> just wireless
[20:39] <john_> hey
[20:39] <BentFranklin> MaPk0:  I had a problem yesterday that network manager hosed my resolv.conf file.  I put "nameserver 192.168.1.1" in it and that fixed me up.  Substitute your local router IP address of course.
[20:40] <MaPkO> i was see
[20:40] <MaPkO> on /etc/resolv.conf
[20:41] <Codd> MaPkO: also if your going back to the computer the output of : lsusb and route : would be good as well
[20:41] <MaPkO> and there is the my gateway ip inserted
[20:41] <john_> soo.. I have a fresh install of 8.10 and upgraded to kde 4.2. what package should I apt-get to install driver for my radeon 9600? or should I activate the one in 'Hardware drivers'?
[20:41] <MaPkO> Codd u need lsusb and route ?
[20:42] <Codd> MaPkO: there may be a bad route giving you the issue
[20:42] <Codd> that could help
[20:43] <Codd> john_ try playing around with compiz and see how you like it, I think the open source drivers for that card are pretty good
[20:43] <MaPkO> ya ya !
[20:43] <MaPkO> maybe is that Codd
[20:43] <MaPkO> i was try route
[20:43] <Codd> lol
[20:43] <MaPkO> and i was didnt see the gateway ip..
[20:44] <MaPkO> what is the command to i insert the gateway ?
[20:44] <Codd> you like star wars you do?
[20:44] <heinkel_111> out of curiosity what has made compiz so cool as an add-on now that 3D desktop effects are included by default?
[20:44] <MaPkO> so next maybe will be that i can connect on the irc via my new kubuntu :D
[20:45] <MaPkO> Codd what is the command for inserting the route gateway ip ?
[20:45] <Codd> MaPkO: your default route should be wlan0 so 'sudo route add default gw wlan0' would do it
[20:45] <MaPkO> :D
[20:45] <MaPkO> i mean will this help !!
[20:45] <Codd> mabe
[20:45] <john_> Codd: yep, this will be the first thing i'll do :) but is there any difference between the driver in 'Hardware drivers' and packages downloaded by console?
[20:46] <Codd> john_ nope
[20:46] <Codd> you have the 'radeon' drivers (open source) and the ati-fglrx
[20:46] <MaPkO> Codd i`m gonna replacing the HDD.. i will be back to say you the result..
[20:47] <Codd> learned he is in the way of the tux
[20:47] <john_> Codd: ok, thx :)
[20:47] <Codd> np
[20:49] <ubuntu__> what is kubuntu default root pasword
[20:49] <Codd> ubuntu_. no one knows :) you have to change it using 'sudo passwd root'
[20:49] <ubuntu__> lol
[20:49] <ubuntu__> ok
[20:50] <Codd> ubuntu_ im pretty sure its randomly generated on the first install
[20:51] <mefisto__> !root
[20:52] <Codd> the wisdom here is great all I can see now is blonde, readhead ...
[20:53] <Codd> and these green letters are scrolling down my living room
[21:00] <Viking667> Hey there. In the Adept Update section, I notice sometimes there's two bars, one for each file downloading. How could I erm, increase that beyond two, so I could (for example) have five downloading?
[21:06] <john_> ok, me once again :) I can't activate ati driver in 'Hardware drivers'. What package(s) should I apt-get?
[21:08] <mefisto__> xorg-driver-fglrx
[21:09] <john_> thx :) only this one?
[21:10] <lucas_> hi. i cannot change to webkit engine. whenever i execute "keditfiletype text/html" i get "cannot write to /home/lucas/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list"
[21:12] <MaPkO> sudo route add default gw wlan0'
[21:12] <MaPkO> leopard@leopard-pc:~$ sudo route add default gw wlan0
[21:12] <MaPkO> [sudo] password for leopard:
[21:12] <MaPkO> wlan0: Unknown host
[21:13] <MaPkO> :(
[21:15] <ScorpKing> MaPkO: sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.254 wlan0
[21:15] <ScorpKing> MaPkO: or whatever the ip is
[21:15] <nkat> please how can i make a file RW with chmod command ?
[21:15] <MaPkO> yea.. its 1.254
[21:15] <MaPkO> chmod 777 file
[21:16] <nkat> MaPko: thank you verry much...
[21:16] <MaPkO> np
[21:16] <MaPkO> ScorpKing
[21:16] <MaPkO> are u here?
[21:16] <ScorpKing> MaPkO: sudo route add default ip.add.res.s might work as well
[21:16] <MaPkO> leopard@leopard-pc:~$ route
[21:16] <MaPkO> Kernel IP routing table
[21:16] <MaPkO> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[21:16] <MaPkO> 192.168.1.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     2      0        0 wlan0
[21:16] <MaPkO> link-local      *               255.255.0.0     U     1000   0        0 wlan0
[21:16] <ScorpKing> !paste
[21:17] <MaPkO> i have problem in route
[21:17] <MaPkO> i cant get internet :S
[21:17] <MaPkO> i got Ip adress from the dhcp
[21:17] <MaPkO> but i cant ping the gateway
[21:17] <ScorpKing> MaPkO: what is the dhcp router's ip address?
[21:17] <MaPkO> the ip witch dhcp was released me ?
[21:18] <ScorpKing> no
[21:18] <ScorpKing> the router's ip
[21:18] <MaPkO> 192.168.1.254
[21:18] <ScorpKing> ah
[21:19] <ScorpKing> MaPkO: did you run - sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.254 wlan0
[21:19] <ScorpKing> ?
[21:19] <MaPkO> i was run just sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.254
[21:19] <MaPkO> and sudo route add default gw wlan0
[21:19] <MaPkO> but this command witch u gived me i didnt
[21:19] <ScorpKing> run it
[21:19] <MaPkO> i need replace the hdd
[21:20] <MaPkO> :S
[21:20] <MaPkO> coz my ubuntu is installed on another hdd
[21:20] <MaPkO> i will be back with result..
[21:20] <ScorpKing> ok but i might not be here
[21:20] <MaPkO> ahh..
[21:20] <MaPkO> ok thanks anyway :)
[21:20] <MaPkO> ;)
[21:21] <lucas_> hi. i cannot change to webkit engine. whenever i execute "keditfiletype text/html" i get "cannot write to /home/lucas/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list"
[21:21] <ScorpKing> lucas_: that is a weird location
[21:22] <ScorpKing> lucas_: what does ls -l /home/lucas/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list show?
[21:22] <lucas_> -rwx-wx-wx 1 root root 94 2009-03-02 19:06 /home/lucas/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
[21:22] <lucas_> coz i put chmod a+x+w
[21:22] <ScorpKing> lucas_: there is your problem. it's owned by root
[21:23] <lucas_> but i cannot write to it anyway
[21:23] <lucas_> chown ?
[21:23] <ScorpKing> lucas_: run - sudo chown lucas:lucas /home/lucas/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
[21:23] <bostizar> hola a tod@s
[21:24] <lucas_> coo thx
[21:24] <lucas_> cool thx
[21:24] <ScorpKing> lucas_: chmod a+x+w will only allow the owner to change it as you can see -rwx- for root. you have to say chmod o+w
[21:25] <lucas_> ScorpKing: i see. now i got webkit up and running in konqueror
[21:25] <ScorpKing> nice :)
[21:25] <Dr_willis> siounds like someone ran stuff as root shen they shouldent of :)
[21:26] <ScorpKing> Dr_willis: i happens :)
[21:26] <ScorpKing> it*
[21:26] <ScorpKing> heh
[21:27]  * Dr_willis happens
[21:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[21:35] <Dr_willis> !azurus
[21:35] <Dr_willis> Hmm..
[21:35] <michael__> hello there
[21:35] <michael__> is 4.1 still a little buggy or am I just too new
[21:36] <Dr_willis> Go get 4.2
[21:36] <Dr_willis> everyone says its much improved.
[21:37] <Asrafel> ciao a tutti
[21:37] <michael__> I just did a fresh install and the driver installer for my Nvidia and it wasnt doing anything (for a while) so I closed out
[21:37] <michael__> not I dont even have the option to install 3d support now
[21:37] <michael__> yikes
[21:37] <MaPkO> i still has problem with my wireless :(
[21:38] <MaPkO> why my wireless doesnt work ??
[21:38] <DaSkreech> michael__: It's a little buggy
[21:38] <michael__> I forced myself to upgrade to 8.10/4.1
[21:39] <DaSkreech> Esp when compared to KDE 3
[21:39] <michael__> how do I install my video drivers
[21:39] <DaSkreech> but then KDE3 had like 3-4 years of coding
[21:39] <DaSkreech> KDE 4.1 has had like 8 months
[21:39] <Dr_willis> and kde 3 still had lots of bugs.. :)
[21:40] <michael__> yeah, but not as much a windows   :o)
[21:40] <DaSkreech> michael__: Ugh that made me shudder
[21:40] <michael__> ha
[21:41] <michael__> I just installed Windows pro 'black'
[21:41] <MaPkO> windows is great..
[21:41] <michael__>  and i am dual booting 8.10
[21:41] <MaPkO> i never had the problems like now with the kubuntu
[21:41] <MaPkO> my wireless doesnt work on it
[21:42] <michael__> I have no probs with 8.04/3.5
[21:42] <MaPkO> i got connection but i cant ping the router
[21:42] <MaPkO> is there anyone witch can help me with this kubuntu to i can connect it on the internet via wireless?
[21:43] <Dr_willis> If the wireless chipset makers  - supported linux fully.. there would be less probpelsm
[21:43] <Dr_willis> it all depends on your exact wireless chipset  to a very very large degree
[21:43] <Dr_willis> !wireless
[21:44] <MaPkO> i use wireless usb man
[21:44] <MaPkO> i got connection
[21:44] <MaPkO> i got ip from the dhcp
[21:44] <MaPkO> but i cant use the internet and the wireless network
[21:44] <MaPkO> i try to ping the router
[21:45] <Dr_willis> If you cant ping the router.. it may be a gateway issue. but that would be odd.
[21:45] <Dr_willis> i dont recall ever not being able to ping my router.
[21:45] <MaPkO> and its show me destination cant be reachable
[21:45] <MaPkO> the router is fine man
[21:45] <MaPkO> i use the internet now on it
[21:45] <Dr_willis> Unless the network  card just 'seems' to be working - when its not
[21:45] <MaPkO> but with my windows
[21:45] <michael__> going to restart, maybe I will have the option to upgrade drivers that way
[21:46] <michael__> there are no reference to video drivers anywhere in system settings
[21:46] <Dr_willis> check with the wireless tools to see if you do infact have a ip address  for the network card, i guess..
[21:46] <michael__> crazy
[21:47] <lovre> is there any VRML tool for linux? That i can export for Matlab?
[21:54] <BentFranklin> MaPK0:  What is in your /etc/resolv.conf file?
[21:55] <MaPkO> the gateway address..
[21:55] <BentFranklin> ie, "nameserver 192.168.1.254" ??
[21:57] <ubuntu_> Bonjour! May someone help me disabling wireless and bluetooth devices in Kubuntu?
[21:58] <MaPkO> BentFranklin
[21:58] <MaPkO> the problem is i mean in the route..
[21:58] <MaPkO> leopard@leopard-pc:~$ route
[21:58] <MaPkO> Kernel IP routing table
[21:58] <MaPkO> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[21:58] <MaPkO> 192.168.1.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     2      0        0 wlan0
[21:58] <MaPkO> link-local      *               255.255.0.0     U     1000   0        0 wlan0
[22:03] <Codd> has anyone had problems with sound on the latest ibex update?  I have sound but I get a clicking sound and light static over my digital coax output on my audigy card
[22:04] <Codd> the amp can play off a seperate cd player with no noticable static and no clicking
[22:04] <MaPkO>  Codd
[22:04] <MaPkO> how are u ?
[22:04] <MaPkO> u got problems too ?
[22:05] <Codd> looks like it
[22:06] <Codd> MaPkO: hows it going?
[22:07] <MaPkO>  nothing :S
[22:07] <MaPkO> still no internet
[22:08] <Codd> what kind of usb wifi adapter do you have?
[22:08] <MaPkO> trendnet
[22:18] <BentFranklin> !time
[22:20] <groovy26> hey, can't open rar archive with arc. any package?
[22:21] <Dr_willis> Install the rar tools
[22:21] <Dr_willis> !rar
[22:21] <MaPkO> !wireless
[22:24] <groovy26> Dr_willis: thx :)
[22:25] <brewmaster> hey all, anyone know where to find some different "validation icons" for things like firefox, opera, etc?
[22:26] <MaPkO> is there any solution to install ndiswrapper-common offline ?
[22:26] <MaPkO> without internet ?
[22:27] <mefisto__> you could download it (and dependencies) from packages.ubuntu.com, I suppose
[22:28] <Dr_willis> or use that apt-on-cd stuff
[22:29] <MaPkO> did have ndiswrapper-common on the installation cd of the kubuntu ?
[22:29] <Codd> MaPkO:  doing something like 'sudo apt-get install --simulate ndiswrapper-common | grep Inst' will give you a list of the packages you need
[22:30] <MaPkO> :)
[22:30] <Codd> you can download them from packages.ubuntu.com
[22:30] <MaPkO> 10x cod
[22:30] <MaPkO> d
[22:30] <Codd> good luck
[22:35] <[ifroog]> How do i restart inetd?
[22:35] <mefisto__> MaPkO: I think ndiswrapper-common is on the intrepid CD
[22:35] <carpii> /etc/init.d/inetd restart
[22:36] <MaPkO> thanks mefisto__
[22:36] <MaPkO> i will try
[22:36] <MaPkO> why is this ? :S
[22:36] <MaPkO> leopard@leopard-pc:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[22:36] <MaPkO>  * Reconfiguring network interfaces...Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[22:36] <MaPkO> unknown interface??
[22:38] <MaPkO> Codd have you some idea?
[22:38] <MaPkO> why on restarting network its showing the wireless how unknown interface?
[22:38] <Dr_willis> souinds like a typo/mistake in one of the network configs?
[22:39] <MaPkO> Dr_willis.. the problem is.. all day i`m trying to connect my kubuntu on the internet :D
[22:39] <Codd> MaPkO: are there any entries in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[22:39] <MaPkO> yes i mean...
[22:39] <MaPkO> u need ls -x of the directory ?
[22:39] <drwho> has anyone tried installing a deb package screensaver on 8.10 and it did show in the list?? like cmatrix???
[22:40] <Codd> its a config file if you could print it
[22:40] <Codd> that might help
[22:40] <Codd> did you try ndiswrapper?
[22:40] <Codd> that might have changed the name of your interface
[22:42] <MaPkO> ye i was try the ndiswrapper
[22:42] <MaPkO> but i cant install it :D
[22:42] <MaPkO> first i was make make uninstall
[22:42] <MaPkO> and make install..
[22:42] <MaPkO> and nothing.. there was some errors on the compiling
[22:42] <MaPkO> i dont know . but i`m gona crazy
[22:43] <MaPkO> i will destroy my pc and end with the problems :D
[22:43] <Codd> lol
[22:43] <MaPkO> or i will install windows 98
[22:43] <Codd> I like windows ME
[22:43] <MaPkO> windows me is good.. but its not stable :S
[22:43] <Dr_willis>  ndiswrapper is often not needed these days.. theres alternatives for a lot of the wirleess cards out
[22:43] <Codd> lol
[22:43] <MaPkO> codd
[22:44] <MaPkO> i found this
[22:44] <MaPkO> for my wireless usb
[22:44] <MaPkO> but i dont know what to do damn :D
[22:44] <MaPkO> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/TRENDnet_TEW-424UB_(ndiswrapper)?highlight=(AND)|(ManufacturerModel)
[22:44] <Dr_willis> first of all.. check how OLD that  guide is. :) it might be out of date
[22:44] <MaPkO> :D
[22:44] <MaPkO> hh
[22:45] <panos4ever> hi everybody
[22:45] <Codd> ya it does look kinda old but its just really a guide to use ndiswrapper
[22:46] <panos4ever> lol problem with wireless?
[22:46] <MaPkO> yes !
[22:46] <MaPkO> damn
[22:46] <panos4ever> what?
[22:46] <MaPkO> i got connection
[22:46] <MaPkO> with my router
[22:46] <MaPkO> also IP from DHCP
[22:46] <MaPkO> but i cant ping the router
[22:46] <MaPkO> and i cant use internet :D
[22:46] <Dr_willis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/TRENDnet_TEW-424UB_3.0R_(ndiswrapper) seems sort of clear.. but i would check the forums/google to see if your eally NEED ndiswrappers any more
[22:47] <panos4ever> dont use knetworkmanager
[22:47] <Dr_willis> You may want to try installing 'wicd'
[22:47] <panos4ever> use wifi-radar
[22:47] <Dr_willis> and using it
[22:47] <panos4ever> and connect
[22:47] <MaPkO> wifi radar?
[22:47] <panos4ever> y
[22:47] <MaPkO> can you please give me link ?
[22:47] <Dr_willis> its proberly in the repos :)
[22:47] <panos4ever> y
[22:47] <panos4ever> but i wll
[22:48] <Assurbanipal> hi guys... i have a problem, ksmserver is zombie, why that happens?
[22:48] <mefisto__> !info wifi-radar
[22:48] <MaPkO> lol :D
[22:48] <MaPkO> 232 kb :)
[22:49] <MaPkO> Codd what do you mean ?
[22:49] <MaPkO> did this program will fix my big problem ? :)
[22:49] <panos4ever> here
[22:49] <panos4ever> http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/wifi-radar/download
[22:49] <Dr_willis> Its a configuration tool to connect to wireless networks..
[22:49] <Dr_willis> theres dozens of them out. :)
[22:49] <panos4ever> yes
[22:49] <Codd> MaPkO: give it a shot
[22:49] <panos4ever> yeah
[22:49] <MaPkO> thanks panos4ever
[22:49] <MaPkO> :)
[22:49] <panos4ever> np
[22:49] <MaPkO> did u have the same issue ?
[22:50] <mefisto__> probably better to get it from packages.ubuntu.com
[22:50] <panos4ever> no
[22:50] <panos4ever> but
[22:50] <panos4ever> i had problems with manager
[22:50] <panos4ever> knetworkmanager
[22:50] <panos4ever> so...
[22:50] <MaPkO> how to install .deb ? deb -Uhv File ?
[22:51] <panos4ever> sudo -i dpkg filename
[22:51] <panos4ever> lol
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> kdesudo gdebi-kde File will give you a nice GUI
[22:51] <panos4ever> sudo
[22:51] <panos4ever> dpkg -i filename
[22:51] <mefisto__> MaPkO: or just double-click it
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> That too
[22:53] <MaPkO> :D
[22:53] <MaPkO> thanks
[22:53] <MaPkO> huh.. i need to replace my hdd again
[22:53] <panos4ever> :)
[22:56] <MaPkO> how much good will be and windows to be free
[22:57] <Dr_willis> Huh?
[22:57] <panos4ever> windows=trouble
[22:57] <MaPkO> so we can get help like for linxu
[22:57] <MaPkO> linux*
[22:57] <panos4ever> a lot
[22:58]  * Dr_willis has totally lost the conversation thread
[22:59] <mefisto__> Dr_willis: I think they are imagining a world where windows is free too, and help is freely available like k/ubuntu
[23:00] <Dr_willis> ttheres 'free' then theres 'Free' :)
[23:01] <panos4ever> does anyone use netcat???
[23:02] <panos4ever> well its cool
[23:03] <ubuntu__> hi
[23:03] <vbgunz> how do you lock the computer from the command line?
[23:07] <mefisto__> vbgunz: qdbus org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver Lock
[23:07] <vbgunz> mefisto__: thank you. powerdevil doesn't seem to do anything. am going to try :)
[23:09] <bishopz> !firewall
[23:10] <stracqua> ciao
[23:10] <stracqua> !list
[23:12] <XPS_M1330> what'S the metapackage to install kde 4.2 from ibex?
[23:12] <bishopz> !kde4.2
[23:12] <bishopz> liar
[23:12] <bishopz> !kde
[23:13] <bishopz> !kde4
[23:13] <bishopz> to disable firewall,
[23:13] <bishopz> whats the frickin command
[23:14] <XPS_M1330> thanks
[23:14] <Dr_willis> flush option to the iptables command is one way
[23:14] <bishopz> Xps: np
[23:14] <Dr_willis> if theres any 'rules'  'sudo iptables --list' to see
[23:14] <bishopz> im in my iptables now
[23:14] <bishopz> im having such a blonde moment
[23:15] <mefisto__> would   ufw disable   do it?
[23:16] <bishopz> and for some reason i cant connect to gaim
[23:16] <Dr_willis> !ufw
[23:16] <bishopz> through putty
[23:16] <bishopz> im connected to my shell
[23:16] <bishopz> but
[23:16] <bishopz> Nothing is working in konsole
[23:17] <Dr_willis> Huh?
[23:17] <bishopz> im trying to get on gaim, using my ssh connection via putty
[23:17] <Dr_willis> from a windows machine?
[23:17] <bishopz> yea
[23:17] <Dr_willis> Gaim is X based program? right?
[23:17] <bishopz> Correct
[23:18] <Dr_willis> You do have some sort of X display server running on the windows box?
[23:18] <bishopz> MhM
[23:18] <Dr_willis> Or are you expecting it to magically appare on the windows machine?
[23:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:18] <bishopz> rofl
[23:18] <bishopz> Im not THAT new
[23:18] <bishopz> it just wont connect
[23:18] <Dr_willis> I use xming and putty all the time. You DO have to tell putty to enable x forwarding,.
[23:18] <Dr_willis> or you mean GAIM isent connecting?
[23:18] <bishopz> Hmm could be i didnt enable
[23:19] <bishopz> im connecting to my shell fine
[23:19] <Dr_willis> Putty can be a pain to get the settings saved/set right
[23:19] <bishopz> but it wont connect to gaim
[23:19] <bishopz> ior irssi
[23:19] <bishopz> or*
[23:19] <Dr_willis>  You mean gaim cant 'connect' to the xming server? or you mean irssi cant connect to the irc server?
[23:19] <Dr_willis> 'connect' is a broad term
[23:19] <groovy26> hey, how to save screen resolution and refresh rate with aticonfig?
[23:20] <bishopz> gaim wont connet to the xming
[23:20] <Dr_willis> try a simple 'xterm' command and see if it works
[23:20] <bishopz> Hang on
[23:20] <bishopz> hm, well ill be damned
[23:20] <bishopz> Tyvm sir
[23:21] <Dr_willis> hmm?
[23:21] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:21] <bishopz> connected
[23:21] <Dr_willis> xming has some wizard/tool to  connect/run a single app also.  i often just make it run konsole, or xterm. and do away with needing Putty
[23:21] <bishopz> smart, im starting not to like putty at all
[23:22] <Dr_willis> xming is using putty :) but its own.
[23:22] <Dr_willis> or it can at least.
[23:22] <Dr_willis> Ive only recently messed with using putty AND xming by their selfs. :)
[23:22] <bishopz> i need a good ftp for a linux ubuntu machine
[23:22] <bishopz> gftp?
[23:23] <bishopz> any good?
[23:23] <Dr_willis> !ftp
[23:23] <Dr_willis> theres dozens of ftp clients, and tools that can do ftp access
[23:23] <Dr_willis> the default file managers most all can handle ftp
[23:23] <bishopz> yea i know, everyone says oh gtfp, or konquror
[23:24] <Dr_willis> So?
[23:24] <Dr_willis> mc can do ftp also. :)
[23:24] <bishopz> really?
[23:24] <Dr_willis> or use the fuse 'ftp filesywstem' stuff
[23:24] <Dr_willis> yes.. mc can do ftp.. and other stuff
[23:24] <bishopz> o
[23:24] <bishopz> Im gonna check that out
[23:25] <giarca> what advantage I would have using an irc client liek quassel instead of Konversation? I'm using kde4.2 and konversation still using 3.5.10 libs...
[23:25] <bishopz> konsole its better then terminal
[23:25] <bishopz> correct?
[23:25] <Dr_willis> Depends on what you mean
[23:25] <bishopz> im trying to delete shit i dont really nered anymore
[23:25] <Dr_willis> 'konsole' is the kde specific 'terminal application'
[23:25] <bishopz> yea
[23:26] <Dr_willis> Console is the alt-ctrl-F1 terminals
[23:26] <Dr_willis> xterm and rxvt are the old-skool standard terminal-emulators
[23:26] <will_> Hello everyone.
[23:26] <Dr_willis> I normally use 'terminator'
[23:26] <bishopz> neverheard of it
[23:26] <bishopz> :O
[23:26] <XPS_M1330> why does the kubuntu website says it uses KDE 4.2? My update manager says there aren't updates from 4.1
[23:26] <Dr_willis> it uses gnome-terminal to have some neat features. You can 'split' the terminals on the fly and thus have several in one window
[23:27] <Dr_willis> Kubuntu web site says 4.2 version of kde has been released...
[23:27] <Dr_willis> it dosent say the default kubuntu comes with 4.2
[23:27] <bishopz> id prob. use that more than anything
[23:27] <XPS_M1330> oh...
[23:27] <Dr_willis> and you CAN ionstall 4.2 - see the topic urls
[23:34] <will_> Is there a graphical issue with KDE4 resetting back to login screen after resolution change?
[23:37] <Dr_willis> sounds like X may be crashing.
[23:37] <Dr_willis> try it with a different window manager such as openbox and see if it still happens.. if so  that would imply a X server/driver issue not a KDE issue
[23:38] <will_> How would i go about switching?
[23:38] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install openbox
[23:38] <Dr_willis> then restart KDM, and select openbox at the kdm login menus
[23:39] <will_> Would i lose my GUI for KDE4?
[23:39] <will_> Or does it just replace the engine for it?
[23:39] <Dr_willis> neither
[23:39] <Dr_willis> you would login to openbox OR kde4 depending on which one you select in the menus
[23:40] <will_> So now i log out and choose openbox, correct?
[23:41] <Dr_willis> restareing the KDM service may or may not be neeeded also
[23:41] <will_> Hmm, ok, be back in a second then.
[23:47] <will_> Thank's man, that fixed my problem.
[23:47] <will_> I don't have transparency anymore though, haha.
[23:48] <Dr_willis> so the games/stuff resize the screen and crashes out to KDM in KDE, but not openbox?
[23:48] <will_> Yeah.
[23:48] <will_> Well, i switched to KDE/Openbox.
[23:48] <will_> It was one of the selection's so i tried it.
[23:48] <will_> My transparency is gone, so i'm thinking that may be what was causing it to crash.
[23:49] <will_> Any idea what it could possibly be?
[23:49] <Dr_willis> Openbox is one of the few windiowmanagers that set up itself to run with kde. :) id frogotten that
[23:49] <Dr_willis> kde has its own effects stuff.. that may be messing thing sup
[23:54] <will_> Would it help if i upgraded to KDE 4.2?
[23:58] <Dr_willis> No idea. try it and see i guess
[23:59] <aldo> hi