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lifelessbarry-away: https://edge.launchpad.net/subunit <- the UI for 'mailing lists' is uhm, hard, to discover01:02
lifelessbarry-away: I know its because its 'on teams'01:03
lifelessbarry-away: but I (and everyone I know) thinks 'on projects'01:03
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MTecknologyI'm trying to do a report about the benefits of Launchpad... I need to find some expert opinion articles explaining why it's great. Any suggestions?03:35
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rockstarMTecknology, what kind of report?04:24
MTecknologyrockstar: why launchpad is better than w/e anyone else is using - school essay kinda thing04:26
rockstarMTecknology, I wrote a blog post (coincidentally about the same time I came aboard the Launchpad team) about an project I work on that switched to Launchpad and why it was good.04:33
* rockstar looks for it.04:33
MTecknologyrockstar: I need expert opinions, so that would work great04:35
rockstarMTecknology, well, I'm not an expert, per say.04:35
rockstarhttp://theironlion.net/archive/how-launchpad-helped-entertainer-leave-atmosphere/04:35
MTecknologyI wonder if I'll ever be one of those super beings that can work with you guys04:35
MTecknologyand a squirrel somewhere in Saskatchewan[...] heh?04:37
theholyduckrockstar, question is. why would any sane programmer04:38
theholyduckinterface with gstreamer?04:38
* theholyduck is looking at entertainer?04:38
rockstartheholyduck, I actually enjoy working with gstreamer.  It's relatively simple.04:38
theholyduckrockstar, but its slow and without features :P04:39
theholyduckand in the end you're going to be usinv libav* via it anyway04:39
theholyduckwhy not just cut out the middle man?04:39
rockstarEntertainer is still pretty experimental, but gstreamer is fast enough for our needs, and has all the features we need.04:39
theholyduck.ass rendering? deinterlacing?04:40
theholyduckthe ability to use h264 with any actual speed?04:41
theholyducketc?04:41
theholyduckim fairly sure the answer to all those are no :P04:41
MTecknologyI think it's funny how people complain about how LP isn't open sourced yet... canonical keeps putting a massive amount of work into it, at a pace that outweighs what a larger community could do, and it pretty much does exactly what it's supposed to, while staying free....04:41
theholyduckrockstar, if you used libav* directly you could get a up to date svn version or a -mt version04:41
MTecknologyrockstar: "That's WHY Launchpad is to me." s/WHY/WHAT/04:42
theholyduckthus massivly speeding up playback on slow systems04:42
theholyduckseriously gstreamer is all the disadvantages of ffmpeg with none of the advantages04:42
rockstarMTecknology, Launchpad will be open source in July.  We're working hard on it.04:42
rockstartheholyduck, you're welcome to voice your opinions in #entertainer04:43
MTecknologyrockstar: I know, I just don't see why people freak out about it so much04:43
MTecknologyYou guys could keep it closed up for another 10 years and I wouldn't freak out04:44
MTecknologythen people go and complain about how you're not opening up every part of it....04:44
MTecknologysorry, that's more of a rant04:44
lifelessMTecknology: http://swik.net/Launchpad+PBXT too04:50
MTecknologythanks04:52
MTecknologyrockstar: 183 words that article added to my paper05:17
rockstarMTecknology, I'm sorry.05:17
MTecknologyof a 1250 minumum05:17
MTecknologyrockstar: that's awesome05:17
MTecknologyrockstar: I write things in a very concentrated summary. I was figuring 1/2 that at most :)05:18
MTecknologynow to create a value chain model....05:23
MTecknologyDoes a Value Chain model exist for Launchpad?05:25
lamalexIs there scheduled downtime right now?05:50
rockstarlamalex, what kind of problems are you having?05:53
lamalexrockstar: I'm trying to do code reviews, and everything is timing out05:54
rockstarlamalex, sounds like edge is getting updated.05:55
lamalexthat would explain it05:55
lamalexi'll hop over to normal05:55
lamalexmuch better05:55
lamalexthanks rockstar05:55
rockstarlamalex, sure.05:56
lamalexrockstar: is there a LOC limit to the difs shown in the review page?05:56
lamalexmine is getting cut off around 1400 lines05:56
rockstarlamalex, link?05:57
lamalexhttps://code.launchpad.net/~cszikszoy/do-plugins/fandfignore/+merge/405305:57
lamalexwas also the case in edge05:57
spmlamalex: are you finding it "un-slow" again?06:11
lamalexspm: seems better yes06:12
lamalexthank you :)06:12
spmlamalex: np! thank you for making me verify that all the edge servers had restarted post the edge update - one hadn't and was gumming the works for the rest. :-/06:13
lamalexhappy to help06:16
cjwatsonkiko: are the LP translations team sprinting this week or something? I was hoping to get some urgent attention to bug 336063, but don't see any of the relevant people in /lastlog10:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 336063 in rosetta "translation import acknowledgements spam me every hour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33606310:28
cjwatsonit's been sending me around 800 mails a day for two days now10:32
BjornTcjwatson: yes, they are sprinting. they should be online in an hour or so.10:34
kikocjwatson, yeah, it's the timezone which is getting to you10:34
kikoand it should be some 2.5h actually10:34
beunocjwatson, hi. I'm about to go and pick up everyone for the sprint. I'll let them know.10:38
cjwatsonthanks, I appreciate it10:45
mvodanilos: hi, I get mails from rosetta now for packages that I uploaded and that contain po/pot files. a lot of mails :) is that intentional?12:20
danilosmvo: yes, you guys asked about it (bug 286359)12:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 286359 in rosetta "notify package uploader of import failures" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28635912:21
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danilo-sprintmvo: cjwatson already filed a bug which references one problem that would make the problem worse12:21
mvodanilo-sprint: I got mails for everything, not only failed imports (I think failed ones are fine of course)12:21
danilo-sprintmvo: yeah, they are useful for debugging as well, and even successful imports sometimes have a few messages there were not imported because of problems12:22
danilo-sprintmvo: anyway, this was announced on blog.launchpad.net and you can easily filter by the sender (rosetta@launchpad.net)12:22
* danilo-sprint -> sprint12:23
mneptokdanilo-sprint: where?12:24
* mneptok hopes Montreal12:24
mvodanilo-sprint: uhm, ok. I just got ~60 mails for gnome-app-install, I think it would be nice to be able to opt out of the successful import mails, but I will file a sperate whishlist item about it12:25
cjwatsonmvo: there's a separate bug for that already12:30
mvocjwatson: ok, thanks12:30
mneptokOK, Canonicalians ... who is in Montreal sprinting this week?! i want to come have lunch with all of you. :)12:31
cjwatsondanilo-sprint: for the record, we only asked for failures :-P12:31
mneptokcjwatson: explains how you got my CV.12:31
cjwatsonmvo: bug 33583112:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 335831 in rosetta "New translation import notification system is wrong on many levels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33583112:31
mvohaha12:31
mvo(for the title)12:31
mneptokmvo: missing *SO*12:32
cjwatsonmneptok: CV> heh12:32
* mneptok beams brightly at cjwatson 12:32
cjwatsondanilo-sprint: my bug is definitely different from mvo's, assuming that he only got one batch rather than an infinite loop of them12:32
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MiserySalinsomeone wants to hear music? ;-) http://streamdrag.com/d_JBTh0Kmx6II14:30
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MTecknologyany rubber duckies around?15:16
MTecknologyI was wondering if someone could enable the loco-drupal-old-ignore project so I can mark things obselete in there? There are blueprints and things in there that are linked to other branches, but I can't edit them at all.15:17
MTecknologyactually - that seems like a bug report?? that anything in a deactivated project linked to something else is still viewable?15:19
MTecknologyor all the the ducks still sleeping/going home?15:20
LarstiQgah, lauchpad.net is not launchpad.net15:21
MTecknologyLarstiQ: I';ve been doing that exact same typo for a while15:24
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adiroibanMTecknology: try to talk with kiko15:25
adiroibanI know he has create the alias for drupal-loco15:25
duaircHey, I was just wondering, are ppa packages built straight away after you upload them or do you have to wait a while?15:25
MTecknologykiko: you around?15:25
MTecknologyadiroiban: ya, kiko may want to destroy my fingers pretty soon15:26
adiroiban:)15:26
maxbduairc: Look here to see whether there are PPA builds available at any given time, or if builds are queuing up: https://launchpad.net/+builds15:26
maxbUnfortunately you can't (yet) see the actual contents of the PPA buildqueue, only the summary telling you how many builds are queued on each arch15:27
duaircmaxb: Cool, thanks. I (think) I've uploaded my source package correctly - should ppa.launchpad.com/duairc 404 even if the packages aren't built yet?15:28
duaircThis is my first time doing any ppa stuff so it's quite likely that I'm doing it worng.15:29
duairc*wrong15:29
maxbhttps://launchpad.net/~duairc/+archive/ppa15:29
duaircYeah, that says I haven't uploaded anything... dput seemed to work okay though.15:30
maxbIf you've not got an email ~5 minutes after uploading, then either the email's stuck in the metaphorical pipework of the internet, or the upload processing failed before it could identify who you are by the gpg signature of the .changes file15:32
maxbduairc: The first thing you should check is that the .changes you uploaded is properly signed, *and* the gpg key you signed it with is associated with your launchpad account15:33
duaircI am almost certain of those two things15:35
MTecknologykiko: I love you, if you love me back, please say hi15:39
duaircmaxb: Actually, I've figured out the problem now, it was something really silly, thanks for your help though!15:41
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imyojimbohi, is there an admin here that can delete a branch attached to my user?15:57
Ursinhaimyojimbo, is the branch hosted in launchpad? if so, you can delete that yourself15:59
imyojimboi dont think i can, because couple of months ago an admin deleted the project that this branch beloned to16:00
imyojimbomanually16:00
imyojimboand now i dont really see where is the delete button16:00
Ursinhaimyojimbo, do you have the branch link, please?16:00
imyojimbofor this leftover branch16:00
imyojimbohttps://code.launchpad.net/~eyalw/jquicksilver/head16:00
Ursinhaimyojimbo, do you see two icons in the right side of the title "Main Development Branch"?16:02
UrsinhaI can't because I have no access to that16:02
imyojimbooh, lol16:02
Ursinha:)16:02
imyojimboherer it is!16:02
Ursinha:D16:02
imyojimbosmall little devil16:02
Ursinhacool16:02
imyojimbothanks : )16:02
imyojimbothat was lame : )16:02
Ursinhano problem imyojimbo16:04
Ursinhaglad that helped you  :)16:04
imyojimboanother question, i've been working on a branch ~eyalw/mb/trunk , and now i wish to let the mb-team read/write access to it16:05
imyojimbodo i need to open a new branch registered to the team, and copy the files to it? or is there another way16:06
maxbimyojimbo: just change its owner in the web ui, I think.16:12
cjwatsonyes; then the branch will be renamed to ~mb-team/mb/trunk, so you'll need to adjust your local branch configuration16:14
imyojimbowhat is my local branch conf.16:19
imyojimbou mean with bzr?16:19
cjwatsonimyojimbo: yes16:34
cjwatsoni.e. 'bzr push --remember lp:~mb-team/mb/trunk' (if you're using an ordinary local branch) or 'bzr bind lp:~mb-team/mb/trunk' (if you're using a checkout)16:35
cjwatsonotherwise it'll try to push to the wrong place next time you commit locally16:35
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imyojimbothanks16:45
imyojimbohmm.. i think i did something wrong :/    look at this before and after: http://cl1p.net/bzr/16:49
cumulus007Hi, how to change the Wiki URL of a LP project?16:54
cumulus007I set this wiki url for a loong time ago, and I want to change it now, but I can't find where to do this16:54
imyojimboin https://launchpad.net/<project_id>/+edit16:56
cumulus007there's nothing about the wiki url there16:57
kikoI need to go home, will ttyiab16:58
imyojimbocumulus007, i see a field "Wiki URL:(optional)16:59
cumulus007well, appearantly that link doesn't show up when you have already set a wiki url17:00
cumulus007link/text box17:01
imyojimbooh17:01
cumulus007so, LP fails (again and again)17:02
mneptokcumulus007: i just set the Wiki for a project and can edit it from the +edit page17:10
Ursinhame too17:12
mneptokoh, edge for me. Ursinha?17:13
Ursinhamneptok, edge too17:13
mneptokUrsinha: not my job to test production vs. edge. have fun! :P17:14
Ursinhahaha, thanks mneptok17:14
Ursinhacumulus007, are you trying that on launchpad.net or edge?17:14
mneptokwhoa, weird. "haha, thanks" is pt-br for "i hate you." i had no idea.17:15
cumulus007Edge, is that testing stuff?17:16
mneptokcumulus007: right. beta server for pre-release stuff. but this should be working everywhere.17:16
al-maisanmneptok: careful .. we have a sizable pt-br LP contingent ;)17:16
Ursinha:)17:17
mneptokal-maisan: they'll learn to say "haha, thanks" to me, too ;)17:17
Ursinhalol17:17
MTecknologykiko: reping17:17
mneptokand now i know what it means.17:17
Ursinhacumulus007, so you're in edge17:17
al-maisanmneptok: you even seem to like it ;)17:17
cumulus007It's the same on the normal site17:24
Ursinhacumulus007, have you tried to change the wiki url to see if it works?17:24
Ursinhacumulus007, do you have the link of the project, please?17:24
cumulus007https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-nl17:26
Ursinhahmm, this is a team, not a project17:26
Ursinhabut let me see17:26
cumulus007Oh never mind17:28
cumulus007it's fixed17:28
cumulus007I got to go to +editwikinames17:28
Ursinha:)17:29
cumulus007but, that's a bug17:31
andrea-bscumulus007: yes, it's bug 26004117:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 260041 in launchpad-foundations "+editwikinames page is not linked in team's page" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26004117:31
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mptDoes anyone know who or what <https://launchpad.net/~notifications> is?18:10
* Ursinha looks18:10
Ursinhampt, I don't know, let me see18:12
mptUrsinha, I discovered it because it was subscribed to the <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD> wiki page, so I thought maybe it was subscribed to all blueprint-linked specs. But then I realized the NotifyOSD page isn't linked to a blueprint.18:13
matsubarampt, if you still have a LP tree see doc/spec-mail-exploder.txt18:18
mptmatsubara, ah, I see, thanks! Maybe that account's description could be updated with a wee explanation?18:21
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matsubarampt, yep. we need a admin to do that though18:22
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Jeff_MartinHello19:04
Jeff_MartinI would like to see if something is possible from Launchpad19:05
beunoJeff_Martin, we're listening!19:07
Jeff_MartinI would like to be able to export data from: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty19:07
beunoJeff_Martin, what specifically?19:08
Jeff_MartinThe languages that are (un)translated, to help automate the UWN data collection19:09
Jeff_MartinUsually the top five19:09
beunodanilo-sprint, ^19:09
beunodo we have something in the API?19:09
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Jeff_Martinbeuno: I have to get going to class, I will come back later and ask again.19:14
danilo-sprintJeff_Martin: you want to get statistics?19:14
Jeff_Martinyeah statistics, something we can crunch out19:14
danilo-sprintJeff_Martin: unfortunately, you would have to parse HTML for that so far, we'll be adding API to allow that19:15
Jeff_MartinYeah, we are pasting now, OK -- Thank you Very Much! I await the new API19:16
Jeff_MartinGreat work BTW, love Lauchpad19:17
Jeff_MartinBye19:17
laszlok_workbug #255190 was marked for expiration 149 days ago, but the janitor hasn't expired it yet. Any idea why? This is also happening for other bugs in Jokosher project.19:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 255190 in jokosher "a aahhggg message" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25519019:25
LarstiQlaszlok_work: doe the janitor do anything at all for Jokosher?19:25
laszlok_workit used to expire bugs for us, i havent noticed it do anything in a while19:26
laszlok_workexpire bugs is still enabled in project details though19:26
imyojimbocan someone help me with this: http://cl1p.net/bzr/19:27
beunoimyojimbo, bzr push lp:~/new/path --remember19:30
laszlok_workimyojimbo: if you want to change the push branch just do 'bzr push lp:~mb-team/mb/trunk --remember' no?19:30
beunoor edit ~/.bazaar/loctions.cong manually19:30
imyojimboand how do i set back the local repository "c:\mb"19:32
beunoimyojimbo, as we said19:33
beunobzr push/pull LOCATION --remember19:33
imyojimboim  a little confused, sorry. there are 2 repos, one local, "c:\mb" and one online "~mb-team\mb\trunk" how do i set back each19:34
maxbyou keep asking the questions and you keep getting given the answer, what don't you like about it? :-)19:37
laszlok_workimyojimbo: if you want both local and online repos to be identical, just pull from lp:~mb-team/mb/trunk. You could even just delete the lcaol dir and branch from that online one19:39
imyojimbomaybe i just dont understand the reading of the bzr info command. what is the meaning of "related branches" and the 'repo checkout root' and a19:42
laszlok_workimyojimbo: related branches is the urls it uses for push if you don't specify one19:45
laszlok_work'bzr push' will translate to 'bzr push bzr+ssh://eyalw@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eeyalw/mb/trunk/'19:46
leonelHello :  Do  I need to import  my ppa  archive  keys to upload a new package   .. haven't uploaded any since before ppa had keys for my archive19:46
laszlok_workimyojimbo: the repository checkout root is same as repository branch above, but because  you use the 'bind' command, it changed it from a branch to a checkout19:47
Ursinhahi leonel19:47
Ursinhaleonel, have you read the help page? https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA19:47
Ursinhathere it explains how to set everything up to use a PPA19:48
leonelUrsinha:  I had  uploaded packages before  but now I got this error19:48
leonelgpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.19:48
imyojimbo:/ whats the difference between a branch and a checkout19:49
beunoimyojimbo, a branch is independant and a checkout is bound to it's parent branch19:49
imyojimbooh19:52
imyojimboi think i got it , so how do i turn it back to a branch19:52
beunobzr reconfigure --standalone19:52
beunoer19:53
beunono19:53
beunobzr reconfigure --branch19:53
beunobzr help reconfigure19:53
beunothat should help  :)19:53
imyojimbothanks19:53
Ursinhaleonel, let me read the docs :)19:53
maxbleonel: In response to what action did you get that error?19:53
maxbleonel: The new keys only relate to people trusting downloads *from* your PPA, not in any way to uploads19:54
leonelmaxb:  dput my-ppa   cherokee_0.99.2-1~jaunty~ppa1.dsc19:54
maxbleonel: You're supposed to dput .changes files, not .dsc files. Also, it sounds like your .dsc was not signed19:55
leonelyes   and when I issue  with  cherokee_0.99.2-1~jaunty~ppa1_source.changes19:55
leonelgpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.19:56
leonelgpg: the signature could not be verified.19:56
leonelPlease remember that the signature file (.sig or .asc)19:56
leonelthat's the error19:56
leoneland  the packages  are signed19:56
leonelthis is the  archive  I maintain since november approx   https://edge.launchpad.net/~cherokee-webserver/+archive/ppa19:57
maxbyou're totally sure both the .changes and the .dsc contain a signature within them?19:57
leonelmaxb: I'll check that   thank you19:57
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vadi2my projects translations have been in the import queue for nearly a week now (https://translations.launchpad.net/gui-ufw/main/+imports)20:11
vadi2Can they be looked at anytime soon... ?20:11
MTecknologykiko is gone? :(20:18
MTecknologyhe went the whole day ignoring me :P20:18
* leonel tells leonel that HE must sign a changes file not a DSC file to upload to his ppa ..20:48
duaircHey, I think I'm missing something, but how do I make packages in my PPA available for multiple serieses (eg both jaunty and intrepid)?20:50
duaircDo I have to make separate packages?20:50
vadi2it looks like that from the current ppas20:51
leonelduairc: yes .. you need to  make packages for each ..20:52
leonelduairc: and by doing that  check the package dependencies  for the older ubuntu versions20:53
leonelduairc: you can start by doing the  Jaunty or intrepid package then do the backport to hardy and dapper20:53
duaircleonel: Okay, I'm only really interested in jaunty and intrepid for the moment though. I'm just a bit confused to how I say "this source package is for this series"20:55
leonelwhen you make your package20:56
leonelwhen editing  your changelog with  dch -i or dch -e   there you tell what ubuntu version is20:56
leonelduairc: check : https://edge.launchpad.net/~cherokee-webserver/+archive/ppa20:57
leonelcherokee (0.98.1-1~hardy~ppa3) hardy; urgency=low20:57
leonelcherokee (0.98.1-1~intrepid~ppa2) intrepid; urgency=low20:57
maxbNote, that if you think you can get away with building on intrepid and running on jaunty, you could just build on intrepid and then copy the binaries to the jaunty series once built21:00
maxb(using the LP web interface or API)21:00
leonelmaxb: that's great !!21:02
maxbNot all packages can build on one series and run on a later one, though21:04
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g__hello21:20
g__how do I use the bzr launchpad-login? What is my username? is it my profile name or openID login21:21
wgrantg__: The name in the URL of your profile.21:21
Ursinhag__, it's your profile name21:21
Ursinhathe one after ~21:21
Ursinhalike mine is ursinha :)21:21
vadi2my projects translations have been in the import queue for nearly a week now (https://translations.launchpad.net/gui-ufw/main/+imports)21:22
vadi2Can they be looked at anytime soon... ?21:22
g__aha great thank you21:22
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Ursinhavadi2, can you open a question for that, please? I'm listing all these translation requests and will talk to translation people about it21:37
vadi2Alright21:37
kalosaurusrexI have a question for an admin.  My project team would like to get some support information and we are wondering if there is an API or some how to pull all of the answers data?21:39
kalosaurusrexanyone anyone? :)21:43
vadi2https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib21:44
vadi2but I don't think it does answers yet21:44
vadi2yeah it doesn't atm. (I'm waiting for when it gets translations)21:44
Ursinhavadi2 is right, it doesn't support answers21:47
kalosaurusrexokay thanks guys :)21:55
ploumhello21:58
ploumI've a package in my PPA for intrepid21:58
ploumhow can I upload the same version but for Jaunty ?21:58
qsiis there a way to upload files to the download section of a series without using the web interface?22:05
Ursinhaqsi, I don't think so22:06
jameshupload them somewhere else and tell Launchpad where to find them22:06
jameshit'll check every night22:07
qsiUrsinha: pitty, whenever I push a revision I need to package my release into a tar each time and upload it, ..22:07
qsijamesh: ok I'll have a look at that, ...22:07
Ursinhathis is cool jamesh22:07
jameshqsi: in the release series details form, you can specify a URL pattern that will match the release tarballs.  It will even produce releases under the series for you22:09
qsijamesh: ic, i'll have a look at that22:11
qsithanks for the tip22:12
AdamDHI have a package I would like in my ppa, just reading the TOC, can I have a package with a binary inside it? its proprietary code so they just ship a binary22:17
mwhudsonppas are for free software i'm pretty sure...22:23
bacqsi: you can also upload files via the API.  there is a recipe for doing that on the launchpad blog.22:29
Ursinhabac, AdamDH was asking about packaging proprietary software22:35
qsibac: thanks22:36
bacAdamDH: as mwhudson stated, PPAs, like the rest of Launchpad, are for free software only -- unless you purchase a commercial-use license.  I can give you the details on that if you're interested.22:38
AdamDHI expected that was the case, I will leave it out my ppa22:39
AdamDHthanks for the help22:39
Ursinhathanks bac22:47
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Ursinhanetsplit pain23:03
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maxbHmm... if something's OK for Ubuntu restricted, is that ok for a PPA ?23:06
maxbYes, according to https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse23:09
maxbSo the question concerns the redistributability of AdamDH's binary blob23:10
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