[01:02] barry-away: https://edge.launchpad.net/subunit <- the UI for 'mailing lists' is uhm, hard, to discover [01:03] barry-away: I know its because its 'on teams' [01:03] barry-away: but I (and everyone I know) thinks 'on projects' === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [03:35] I'm trying to do a report about the benefits of Launchpad... I need to find some expert opinion articles explaining why it's great. Any suggestions? === abentley1 is now known as abentley [04:24] MTecknology, what kind of report? [04:26] rockstar: why launchpad is better than w/e anyone else is using - school essay kinda thing [04:33] MTecknology, I wrote a blog post (coincidentally about the same time I came aboard the Launchpad team) about an project I work on that switched to Launchpad and why it was good. [04:33] * rockstar looks for it. [04:35] rockstar: I need expert opinions, so that would work great [04:35] MTecknology, well, I'm not an expert, per say. [04:35] http://theironlion.net/archive/how-launchpad-helped-entertainer-leave-atmosphere/ [04:35] I wonder if I'll ever be one of those super beings that can work with you guys [04:37] and a squirrel somewhere in Saskatchewan[...] heh? [04:38] rockstar, question is. why would any sane programmer [04:38] interface with gstreamer? [04:38] * theholyduck is looking at entertainer? [04:38] theholyduck, I actually enjoy working with gstreamer. It's relatively simple. [04:39] rockstar, but its slow and without features :P [04:39] and in the end you're going to be usinv libav* via it anyway [04:39] why not just cut out the middle man? [04:39] Entertainer is still pretty experimental, but gstreamer is fast enough for our needs, and has all the features we need. [04:40] .ass rendering? deinterlacing? [04:41] the ability to use h264 with any actual speed? [04:41] etc? [04:41] im fairly sure the answer to all those are no :P [04:41] I think it's funny how people complain about how LP isn't open sourced yet... canonical keeps putting a massive amount of work into it, at a pace that outweighs what a larger community could do, and it pretty much does exactly what it's supposed to, while staying free.... [04:41] rockstar, if you used libav* directly you could get a up to date svn version or a -mt version [04:42] rockstar: "That's WHY Launchpad is to me." s/WHY/WHAT/ [04:42] thus massivly speeding up playback on slow systems [04:42] seriously gstreamer is all the disadvantages of ffmpeg with none of the advantages [04:42] MTecknology, Launchpad will be open source in July. We're working hard on it. [04:43] theholyduck, you're welcome to voice your opinions in #entertainer [04:43] rockstar: I know, I just don't see why people freak out about it so much [04:44] You guys could keep it closed up for another 10 years and I wouldn't freak out [04:44] then people go and complain about how you're not opening up every part of it.... [04:44] sorry, that's more of a rant [04:50] MTecknology: http://swik.net/Launchpad+PBXT too [04:52] thanks [05:17] rockstar: 183 words that article added to my paper [05:17] MTecknology, I'm sorry. [05:17] of a 1250 minumum [05:17] rockstar: that's awesome [05:18] rockstar: I write things in a very concentrated summary. I was figuring 1/2 that at most :) [05:23] now to create a value chain model.... [05:25] Does a Value Chain model exist for Launchpad? [05:50] Is there scheduled downtime right now? [05:53] lamalex, what kind of problems are you having? [05:54] rockstar: I'm trying to do code reviews, and everything is timing out [05:55] lamalex, sounds like edge is getting updated. [05:55] that would explain it [05:55] i'll hop over to normal [05:55] much better [05:55] thanks rockstar [05:56] lamalex, sure. [05:56] rockstar: is there a LOC limit to the difs shown in the review page? [05:56] mine is getting cut off around 1400 lines [05:57] lamalex, link? [05:57] https://code.launchpad.net/~cszikszoy/do-plugins/fandfignore/+merge/4053 [05:57] was also the case in edge [06:11] lamalex: are you finding it "un-slow" again? [06:12] spm: seems better yes [06:12] thank you :) [06:13] lamalex: np! thank you for making me verify that all the edge servers had restarted post the edge update - one hadn't and was gumming the works for the rest. :-/ [06:16] happy to help [10:28] kiko: are the LP translations team sprinting this week or something? I was hoping to get some urgent attention to bug 336063, but don't see any of the relevant people in /lastlog [10:28] Launchpad bug 336063 in rosetta "translation import acknowledgements spam me every hour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/336063 [10:32] it's been sending me around 800 mails a day for two days now [10:34] cjwatson: yes, they are sprinting. they should be online in an hour or so. [10:34] cjwatson, yeah, it's the timezone which is getting to you [10:34] and it should be some 2.5h actually [10:38] cjwatson, hi. I'm about to go and pick up everyone for the sprint. I'll let them know. [10:45] thanks, I appreciate it [12:20] danilos: hi, I get mails from rosetta now for packages that I uploaded and that contain po/pot files. a lot of mails :) is that intentional? [12:21] mvo: yes, you guys asked about it (bug 286359) [12:21] Launchpad bug 286359 in rosetta "notify package uploader of import failures" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286359 === danilos is now known as danilo-sprint [12:21] mvo: cjwatson already filed a bug which references one problem that would make the problem worse [12:21] danilo-sprint: I got mails for everything, not only failed imports (I think failed ones are fine of course) [12:22] mvo: yeah, they are useful for debugging as well, and even successful imports sometimes have a few messages there were not imported because of problems [12:22] mvo: anyway, this was announced on blog.launchpad.net and you can easily filter by the sender (rosetta@launchpad.net) [12:23] * danilo-sprint -> sprint [12:24] danilo-sprint: where? [12:24] * mneptok hopes Montreal [12:25] danilo-sprint: uhm, ok. I just got ~60 mails for gnome-app-install, I think it would be nice to be able to opt out of the successful import mails, but I will file a sperate whishlist item about it [12:30] mvo: there's a separate bug for that already [12:30] cjwatson: ok, thanks [12:31] OK, Canonicalians ... who is in Montreal sprinting this week?! i want to come have lunch with all of you. :) [12:31] danilo-sprint: for the record, we only asked for failures :-P [12:31] cjwatson: explains how you got my CV. [12:31] mvo: bug 335831 [12:31] Launchpad bug 335831 in rosetta "New translation import notification system is wrong on many levels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/335831 [12:31] haha [12:31] (for the title) [12:32] mvo: missing *SO* [12:32] mneptok: CV> heh [12:32] * mneptok beams brightly at cjwatson [12:32] danilo-sprint: my bug is definitely different from mvo's, assuming that he only got one batch rather than an infinite loop of them === kyselejsyrecek is now known as kyselejsyrecek_p === kyselejsyrecek_p is now known as kyselejsyrecek === barry-away is now known as barry [14:30] someone wants to hear music? ;-) http://streamdrag.com/d_JBTh0Kmx6II === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch [15:16] any rubber duckies around? [15:17] I was wondering if someone could enable the loco-drupal-old-ignore project so I can mark things obselete in there? There are blueprints and things in there that are linked to other branches, but I can't edit them at all. [15:19] actually - that seems like a bug report?? that anything in a deactivated project linked to something else is still viewable? [15:20] or all the the ducks still sleeping/going home? [15:21] gah, lauchpad.net is not launchpad.net [15:24] LarstiQ: I';ve been doing that exact same typo for a while === duairc_ is now known as duairc [15:25] MTecknology: try to talk with kiko [15:25] I know he has create the alias for drupal-loco [15:25] Hey, I was just wondering, are ppa packages built straight away after you upload them or do you have to wait a while? [15:25] kiko: you around? [15:26] adiroiban: ya, kiko may want to destroy my fingers pretty soon [15:26] :) [15:26] duairc: Look here to see whether there are PPA builds available at any given time, or if builds are queuing up: https://launchpad.net/+builds [15:27] Unfortunately you can't (yet) see the actual contents of the PPA buildqueue, only the summary telling you how many builds are queued on each arch [15:28] maxb: Cool, thanks. I (think) I've uploaded my source package correctly - should ppa.launchpad.com/duairc 404 even if the packages aren't built yet? [15:29] This is my first time doing any ppa stuff so it's quite likely that I'm doing it worng. [15:29] *wrong [15:29] https://launchpad.net/~duairc/+archive/ppa [15:30] Yeah, that says I haven't uploaded anything... dput seemed to work okay though. [15:32] If you've not got an email ~5 minutes after uploading, then either the email's stuck in the metaphorical pipework of the internet, or the upload processing failed before it could identify who you are by the gpg signature of the .changes file [15:33] duairc: The first thing you should check is that the .changes you uploaded is properly signed, *and* the gpg key you signed it with is associated with your launchpad account [15:35] I am almost certain of those two things [15:39] kiko: I love you, if you love me back, please say hi [15:41] maxb: Actually, I've figured out the problem now, it was something really silly, thanks for your help though! === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [15:57] hi, is there an admin here that can delete a branch attached to my user? [15:59] imyojimbo, is the branch hosted in launchpad? if so, you can delete that yourself [16:00] i dont think i can, because couple of months ago an admin deleted the project that this branch beloned to [16:00] manually [16:00] and now i dont really see where is the delete button [16:00] imyojimbo, do you have the branch link, please? [16:00] for this leftover branch [16:00] https://code.launchpad.net/~eyalw/jquicksilver/head [16:02] imyojimbo, do you see two icons in the right side of the title "Main Development Branch"? [16:02] I can't because I have no access to that [16:02] oh, lol [16:02] :) [16:02] herer it is! [16:02] :D [16:02] small little devil [16:02] cool [16:02] thanks : ) [16:02] that was lame : ) [16:04] no problem imyojimbo [16:04] glad that helped you :) [16:05] another question, i've been working on a branch ~eyalw/mb/trunk , and now i wish to let the mb-team read/write access to it [16:06] do i need to open a new branch registered to the team, and copy the files to it? or is there another way [16:12] imyojimbo: just change its owner in the web ui, I think. [16:14] yes; then the branch will be renamed to ~mb-team/mb/trunk, so you'll need to adjust your local branch configuration [16:19] what is my local branch conf. [16:19] u mean with bzr? [16:34] imyojimbo: yes [16:35] i.e. 'bzr push --remember lp:~mb-team/mb/trunk' (if you're using an ordinary local branch) or 'bzr bind lp:~mb-team/mb/trunk' (if you're using a checkout) [16:35] otherwise it'll try to push to the wrong place next time you commit locally === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch [16:45] thanks [16:49] hmm.. i think i did something wrong :/ look at this before and after: http://cl1p.net/bzr/ [16:54] Hi, how to change the Wiki URL of a LP project? [16:54] I set this wiki url for a loong time ago, and I want to change it now, but I can't find where to do this [16:56] in https://launchpad.net//+edit [16:57] there's nothing about the wiki url there [16:58] I need to go home, will ttyiab [16:59] cumulus007, i see a field "Wiki URL:(optional) [17:00] well, appearantly that link doesn't show up when you have already set a wiki url [17:01] link/text box [17:01] oh [17:02] so, LP fails (again and again) [17:10] cumulus007: i just set the Wiki for a project and can edit it from the +edit page [17:12] me too [17:13] oh, edge for me. Ursinha? [17:13] mneptok, edge too [17:14] Ursinha: not my job to test production vs. edge. have fun! :P [17:14] haha, thanks mneptok [17:14] cumulus007, are you trying that on launchpad.net or edge? [17:15] whoa, weird. "haha, thanks" is pt-br for "i hate you." i had no idea. [17:16] Edge, is that testing stuff? [17:16] cumulus007: right. beta server for pre-release stuff. but this should be working everywhere. [17:16] mneptok: careful .. we have a sizable pt-br LP contingent ;) [17:17] :) [17:17] al-maisan: they'll learn to say "haha, thanks" to me, too ;) [17:17] lol [17:17] kiko: reping [17:17] and now i know what it means. [17:17] cumulus007, so you're in edge [17:17] mneptok: you even seem to like it ;) [17:24] It's the same on the normal site [17:24] cumulus007, have you tried to change the wiki url to see if it works? [17:24] cumulus007, do you have the link of the project, please? [17:26] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-nl [17:26] hmm, this is a team, not a project [17:26] but let me see [17:28] Oh never mind [17:28] it's fixed [17:28] I got to go to +editwikinames [17:29] :) [17:31] but, that's a bug [17:31] cumulus007: yes, it's bug 260041 [17:31] Launchpad bug 260041 in launchpad-foundations "+editwikinames page is not linked in team's page" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260041 === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch === Ursinha changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: Ursinha | Join https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-users | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com [18:10] Does anyone know who or what is? [18:10] * Ursinha looks [18:12] mpt, I don't know, let me see [18:13] Ursinha, I discovered it because it was subscribed to the wiki page, so I thought maybe it was subscribed to all blueprint-linked specs. But then I realized the NotifyOSD page isn't linked to a blueprint. [18:18] mpt, if you still have a LP tree see doc/spec-mail-exploder.txt [18:21] matsubara, ah, I see, thanks! Maybe that account's description could be updated with a wee explanation? === mrevell is now known as mrevell-sprint [18:22] mpt, yep. we need a admin to do that though === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === deryck_ is now known as deryck [19:04] Hello [19:05] I would like to see if something is possible from Launchpad [19:07] Jeff_Martin, we're listening! [19:07] I would like to be able to export data from: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty [19:08] Jeff_Martin, what specifically? [19:09] The languages that are (un)translated, to help automate the UWN data collection [19:09] Usually the top five [19:09] danilo-sprint, ^ [19:09] do we have something in the API? === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [19:14] beuno: I have to get going to class, I will come back later and ask again. [19:14] Jeff_Martin: you want to get statistics? [19:14] yeah statistics, something we can crunch out [19:15] Jeff_Martin: unfortunately, you would have to parse HTML for that so far, we'll be adding API to allow that [19:16] Yeah, we are pasting now, OK -- Thank you Very Much! I await the new API [19:17] Great work BTW, love Lauchpad [19:17] Bye [19:25] bug #255190 was marked for expiration 149 days ago, but the janitor hasn't expired it yet. Any idea why? This is also happening for other bugs in Jokosher project. [19:25] Launchpad bug 255190 in jokosher "a aahhggg message" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255190 [19:25] laszlok_work: doe the janitor do anything at all for Jokosher? [19:26] it used to expire bugs for us, i havent noticed it do anything in a while [19:26] expire bugs is still enabled in project details though [19:27] can someone help me with this: http://cl1p.net/bzr/ [19:30] imyojimbo, bzr push lp:~/new/path --remember [19:30] imyojimbo: if you want to change the push branch just do 'bzr push lp:~mb-team/mb/trunk --remember' no? [19:30] or edit ~/.bazaar/loctions.cong manually [19:32] and how do i set back the local repository "c:\mb" [19:33] imyojimbo, as we said [19:33] bzr push/pull LOCATION --remember [19:34] im a little confused, sorry. there are 2 repos, one local, "c:\mb" and one online "~mb-team\mb\trunk" how do i set back each [19:37] you keep asking the questions and you keep getting given the answer, what don't you like about it? :-) [19:39] imyojimbo: if you want both local and online repos to be identical, just pull from lp:~mb-team/mb/trunk. You could even just delete the lcaol dir and branch from that online one [19:42] maybe i just dont understand the reading of the bzr info command. what is the meaning of "related branches" and the 'repo checkout root' and a [19:45] imyojimbo: related branches is the urls it uses for push if you don't specify one [19:46] 'bzr push' will translate to 'bzr push bzr+ssh://eyalw@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eeyalw/mb/trunk/' [19:46] Hello : Do I need to import my ppa archive keys to upload a new package .. haven't uploaded any since before ppa had keys for my archive [19:47] imyojimbo: the repository checkout root is same as repository branch above, but because you use the 'bind' command, it changed it from a branch to a checkout [19:47] hi leonel [19:47] leonel, have you read the help page? https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA [19:48] there it explains how to set everything up to use a PPA [19:48] Ursinha: I had uploaded packages before but now I got this error [19:48] gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. [19:49] :/ whats the difference between a branch and a checkout [19:49] imyojimbo, a branch is independant and a checkout is bound to it's parent branch [19:52] oh [19:52] i think i got it , so how do i turn it back to a branch [19:52] bzr reconfigure --standalone [19:53] er [19:53] no [19:53] bzr reconfigure --branch [19:53] bzr help reconfigure [19:53] that should help :) [19:53] thanks [19:53] leonel, let me read the docs :) [19:53] leonel: In response to what action did you get that error? [19:54] leonel: The new keys only relate to people trusting downloads *from* your PPA, not in any way to uploads [19:54] maxb: dput my-ppa cherokee_0.99.2-1~jaunty~ppa1.dsc [19:55] leonel: You're supposed to dput .changes files, not .dsc files. Also, it sounds like your .dsc was not signed [19:55] yes and when I issue with cherokee_0.99.2-1~jaunty~ppa1_source.changes [19:56] gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. [19:56] gpg: the signature could not be verified. [19:56] Please remember that the signature file (.sig or .asc) [19:56] that's the error [19:56] and the packages are signed [19:57] this is the archive I maintain since november approx https://edge.launchpad.net/~cherokee-webserver/+archive/ppa [19:57] you're totally sure both the .changes and the .dsc contain a signature within them? [19:57] maxb: I'll check that thank you === beuno_ is now known as beuno [20:11] my projects translations have been in the import queue for nearly a week now (https://translations.launchpad.net/gui-ufw/main/+imports) [20:11] Can they be looked at anytime soon... ? [20:18] kiko is gone? :( [20:18] he went the whole day ignoring me :P [20:48] * leonel tells leonel that HE must sign a changes file not a DSC file to upload to his ppa .. [20:50] Hey, I think I'm missing something, but how do I make packages in my PPA available for multiple serieses (eg both jaunty and intrepid)? [20:50] Do I have to make separate packages? [20:51] it looks like that from the current ppas [20:52] duairc: yes .. you need to make packages for each .. [20:53] duairc: and by doing that check the package dependencies for the older ubuntu versions [20:53] duairc: you can start by doing the Jaunty or intrepid package then do the backport to hardy and dapper [20:55] leonel: Okay, I'm only really interested in jaunty and intrepid for the moment though. I'm just a bit confused to how I say "this source package is for this series" [20:56] when you make your package [20:56] when editing your changelog with dch -i or dch -e there you tell what ubuntu version is [20:57] duairc: check : https://edge.launchpad.net/~cherokee-webserver/+archive/ppa [20:57] cherokee (0.98.1-1~hardy~ppa3) hardy; urgency=low [20:57] cherokee (0.98.1-1~intrepid~ppa2) intrepid; urgency=low [21:00] Note, that if you think you can get away with building on intrepid and running on jaunty, you could just build on intrepid and then copy the binaries to the jaunty series once built [21:00] (using the LP web interface or API) [21:02] maxb: that's great !! [21:04] Not all packages can build on one series and run on a later one, though === savvas_ is now known as savvas === savvas_ is now known as savvas [21:20] hello [21:21] how do I use the bzr launchpad-login? What is my username? is it my profile name or openID login [21:21] g__: The name in the URL of your profile. [21:21] g__, it's your profile name [21:21] the one after ~ [21:21] like mine is ursinha :) [21:22] my projects translations have been in the import queue for nearly a week now (https://translations.launchpad.net/gui-ufw/main/+imports) [21:22] Can they be looked at anytime soon... ? [21:22] aha great thank you === savvas_ is now known as savvas [21:37] vadi2, can you open a question for that, please? I'm listing all these translation requests and will talk to translation people about it [21:37] Alright [21:39] I have a question for an admin. My project team would like to get some support information and we are wondering if there is an API or some how to pull all of the answers data? [21:43] anyone anyone? :) [21:44] https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib [21:44] but I don't think it does answers yet [21:44] yeah it doesn't atm. (I'm waiting for when it gets translations) [21:47] vadi2 is right, it doesn't support answers [21:55] okay thanks guys :) [21:58] hello [21:58] I've a package in my PPA for intrepid [21:58] how can I upload the same version but for Jaunty ? [22:05] is there a way to upload files to the download section of a series without using the web interface? [22:06] qsi, I don't think so [22:06] upload them somewhere else and tell Launchpad where to find them [22:07] it'll check every night [22:07] Ursinha: pitty, whenever I push a revision I need to package my release into a tar each time and upload it, .. [22:07] jamesh: ok I'll have a look at that, ... [22:07] this is cool jamesh [22:09] qsi: in the release series details form, you can specify a URL pattern that will match the release tarballs. It will even produce releases under the series for you [22:11] jamesh: ic, i'll have a look at that [22:12] thanks for the tip [22:17] I have a package I would like in my ppa, just reading the TOC, can I have a package with a binary inside it? its proprietary code so they just ship a binary [22:23] ppas are for free software i'm pretty sure... [22:29] qsi: you can also upload files via the API. there is a recipe for doing that on the launchpad blog. [22:35] bac, AdamDH was asking about packaging proprietary software [22:36] bac: thanks [22:38] AdamDH: as mwhudson stated, PPAs, like the rest of Launchpad, are for free software only -- unless you purchase a commercial-use license. I can give you the details on that if you're interested. [22:39] I expected that was the case, I will leave it out my ppa [22:39] thanks for the help [22:47] thanks bac === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [23:03] netsplit pain === mneptok_ is now known as mneptok === ubott2 is now known as ubottu === jpds_ is now known as jpds === jpds is now known as Guest18936 [23:06] Hmm... if something's OK for Ubuntu restricted, is that ok for a PPA ? [23:09] Yes, according to https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse [23:10] So the question concerns the redistributability of AdamDH's binary blob === Ursinha changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: - | Join https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-users | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-dinner