[00:02] <pavs> firefox 3.1 is still beta and they won't "officially" be release a new version in  a couple of month. I tried the latest minefield it fast as hell.
[00:03] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga1: already is
[00:04] <BUGabundo> andersk: minefield is 3.2 and its alpha
[00:04] <BUGabundo> shireoko is 3.1 and its beta3
[00:04] <alex_mayorga1> I'll add the daily here
[00:04] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga1: behare! daily ppa is ONLY to track regressions
[00:04] <alex_mayorga1> I use the shiretoko nightlies on win
[00:04] <BUGabundo> and as the name states
[00:04] <BUGabundo> every day there's a new!
[00:05] <BUGabundo> not sure you need it, or want the BW
[00:05] <alex_mayorga1> BW?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> anyone else can use the mozila team PPA
[00:05] <BUGabundo> bandwith
[00:06] <alex_mayorga1> I don't really mind updating daily, but is there any place to report stuff? I usually hang in mozillazine forums
[00:07] <BUGabundo> for ubuntu related prob #ubuntu-mozilateam or ML
[00:07] <alex_mayorga1> but what's the "official" nightly build?
[00:09] <BUGabundo> ah?
[00:25] <Mooqy> so is jaunty really that unstable? i just put a fresh install of windows and id rather not have to format again in two mos
[00:26] <Mooqy> have to dual boot for work
[00:27] <Mooqy> that old excuse!
[00:29] <BUGabundo> Mooqy: sure its unstable
[00:29] <BUGabundo> but it should not break completely
[00:29] <BUGabundo> so you should be safe...
[00:29] <BUGabundo> if anything breaks, most of the time is fixabla
[00:31] <theholyduck> Mooqy, why would you have to format again in 2 months?
[00:32] <theholyduck> cant you just upgrade like everyone else does?
[00:32] <joshjtl> hi, my touchpads scroll bar isnt working... should i copy xorg.conf from intrepid over?
[00:33] <DanaG> nope, instead, stick it in a HAL fdi file.
[00:33] <DanaG> example: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/19-synaptics.fdi
[00:33] <DanaG> put it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy
[00:33] <DanaG> and edit to suit your taste.
[00:33] <joshjtl> DanaG: not me right?
[00:34] <DanaG> joshjtl: yes you.  hal fdi file replaces touchpad config in xorg.conf.
[00:34] <joshjtl> oh oh ok thanks
[00:36] <joshjtl> hmm anyone know if DanaG meant take the /etc/hal/fdi/policy from Intrepid, and copy it over to Jaunty, or if DanaG meant copy xorg.conf from Intrepid and rename to policy, in /etc/hal/fdi/ ?
[00:38] <BUGabundo> don't copy nothing from ibex to jaunty
[00:39] <BUGabundo> xorg is NEW
[00:40] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: i need to fix the touchpad so that my scroll bar works
[00:40] <crdlb> joshjtl: he meant to use a file like the example he posted
[00:40] <joshjtl> oh duh crdlb.. i didnt read up
[00:40] <crdlb> joshjtl: is it enabled in mouse preferences?
[00:41] <crdlb> also, jaunty should allow you to do two-finger scroll, which is pretty cool
[00:41] <joshjtl> crdlb: yeah
[00:41] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: try multi touth
[00:41] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: what?
[00:41] <BUGabundo> use two fingers
[00:41] <BUGabundo> on the middle of the touthpad
[00:42] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: to scroll ?
[00:42] <bruce89> interesting
[00:42] <BUGabundo> y
[00:42] <bruce89> but pointless for me
[00:42] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: by just holding one finger down while moving the other? that doesnt work
[00:43] <BUGabundo> no no
[00:43] <crdlb> joshjtl: by moving both
[00:43] <BUGabundo> didn't you ever eard of multitoutch devices?
[00:43] <joshjtl> yes but i've never used it to scroll, only to zoom things
[00:43] <bruce89> I haven't
[00:49] <BUGabundo> bruce89: but can you ?
[00:49] <bruce89> I can scroll with the right-hand edge anyway
[00:49] <BUGabundo> I can with both
[00:50] <bruce89> as can I, is there anything else that can be done with multiple fingers?
[00:51] <BUGabundo> AFAIK firefox can do a few other things
[00:51] <bruce89> on the touchpad that is
[00:51] <BUGabundo> but I haven't manage to discover how
[00:51] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOL
[00:51] <usser> bruce89, right click is three-finger tap
[00:52]  * DanaG wishes Synaptics hadn't started cripping their damned touchpads IN FIRMWARE.
[00:52] <DanaG> Now my Synaptics is no better than an Alps -- my new laptop can't do any sort of multi-touch!
[00:52] <DanaG> ... yet, even 5-year-old laptops CAN.
[01:00]  * bruce89 discovers tapping to right-bottom corner is button 3
[01:01] <bruce89> button 2, and right-top is 3
[01:04] <CarlFK>  xserver-xorg-input-evtouch somehow depends on aspell?
[01:08] <rww> CarlFK: not that I can see. What's the output of "aptitude why aspell"?
[01:12] <BUGabundo> bed time
[01:12] <BUGabundo> see you guys tomorrow
[01:12] <CarlFK> rww: i   xserver-xorg-input-evt Recommend zenity | kdebase-bin | xidalog              ouch
[01:13]  * bruce89 directs people to http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-input-synaptics/tree/src/synaptics.c?id=8ee8aa5ec764c9c816fc95e0bfc5f4e2aee3ba0f#n406
[01:14] <bruce89> CarlFK: that's only a recommends
[01:14] <crdlb> CarlFK: O_o
[01:16] <CarlFK> apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evtouch ... The following extra packages will be installed:   aspell  http://dpaste.com/4353/
[01:16] <bruce89> apt installs recommends by default now
[01:18] <rww> CarlFK: Pass the --without-recommends switch to apt-get
[01:18] <bruce89> looking at the changelog, they used to be depends
[01:37] <CarlFK> ev_calibrate say XLoadQueryFont: failed loading font '*freemono*'
[01:37] <CarlFK> guessing there is some package that is spozed to have that font in it?
[01:39] <CarlFK> bruce89: thanks - I was wondering why  "installs recommends" was a surprise
[01:40] <bruce89> I think those packages should be suggests, the Debian Policy manual says that recommends shouldn't be installed in only special cases
[01:44] <linkinx64_> any news with pulseaudio?
[01:46] <maco> no new pulse yet
[01:52]  * billybigrigger is sick of looking at video cards
[01:52] <billybigrigger> how are ati's drivers as of late?
[01:52] <humbolt> network manager is picking up my vmnet devices. how to prevent it from doing that?
[01:52] <linkinx64_> just me or not many updates lately
[01:53] <humbolt> I don't want network manager to manage my vmware vmnet network interfaces!
[01:53] <billybigrigger> can't decide on a gfx card, might go with a ~$100 8800 or 9600 but am tempted to try out an ati card...
[01:56] <bruce89> linkinx64_: it's a weekend
[01:57] <billybigrigger> can anyone comment on the ati's driver status as of late?
[01:57] <billybigrigger> or should i stick with the tried and true nvidia cards?
[02:00] <linkinx64_> that\s what i thought bruce89
[02:02] <cwillu> !info openoffice.org
[02:54] <CarlFK> how do I enable a serial mouse?
[03:03] <joshjtl> hi folks, I'm trying to fine tune the scroll area on my touchpad... the verticle scroll area is too big... how can I edit (i'm guession i would edit the file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/synaptics.fdi
[03:11] <CarlFK> joshjtl: man evdev (i think)
[03:15] <joshjtl> hmm don't see anything in there
[03:18] <CarlFK> rats -
[03:29] <linkinx64_> yay!! pulseaudio updates
[03:29] <linkinx64_> lets see :D
[03:33] <linkinx64> nothing :(
[03:53] <musikgoat> troubleshooting jaunty on eee, only getting desktop background, tried restarting gdm, tried purging ubuntu-netbook-remix, any other suggestions?
[03:58] <musikgoat> i've got all updates, and dist-upgrade'ed (currently applying the upgrades, but its mostly ooo)
[03:58] <ryanprior> I think the "Preferred Applications" UI seriously needs to be changed. Does anybody feel like helping me draft a blueprint?
[03:58] <joshjtl> gtk2 theme and icon theme wont apply to shutdown/logout etc window
[04:03] <joshjtl> well more importantly
[04:04] <joshjtl> When I try to restart, after splash screen stops on an indefinite black screen.
[04:06] <musikgoat> any suggestions for clearing all user preferences for gnome, and "purging" it with clean user configs?
[04:06] <musikgoat> my issue happened when installing netbook remix, and purging that did not help
[04:06] <joshjtl> when I have to reboot manually
[04:21] <joshjtl> help
[04:33] <maco> musikgoat: delete your ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconf*
[04:33] <maco> musikgoat: possibly ~/.config as well...
[04:33] <maco> but some apps may store data in those so...
[04:33] <maco> be careful
[04:35] <CarlFK> this worth reporting: Mar  2 03:23:07 in-target:   python-xml: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[04:38] <musikgoat> maco: thanks, i had come across that troubleshooting, it worked
[04:39] <maco> CarlFK: no
[04:39] <maco> python 2.6 transition is half-there
[04:39] <CarlFK> maco: figured.
[04:39] <maco> but ya know, i think python2.5 is still available
[04:39] <maco> well hrm...ok maybe report that that package should say Depends: python2.5
[04:39] <rww> The half that was blocking ubuntu-desktop got done :D
[04:40] <crdlb> maco: won't really accomplish anything if it's sitting all alone in /usr/lib/python2.5
[04:40] <crdlb> with every other python package in python2.6
[04:40] <crdlb> it just needs a rebuild
[04:41] <maco> crdlb: well the .py's probably need to be all updated to say /usr/bin/python2.5 all over the place
[04:41] <crdlb> eh?
[04:41] <maco> #!/usr/bin/python
[04:41] <maco> would need to change to #!/usr/bin/python2.5
[04:41] <maco> for the ones that *need* to be using 2.5
[04:41] <crdlb> nothing needs to use 2.5
[04:41] <maco> oh really?
[04:42] <crdlb> a simple rebuild will allow anything that works with 2.5 to work with 2.6
[04:42] <crdlb> at least ideally
[04:42] <maco> oh. i thought 2.6 had some of py3k's changes
[04:42] <CarlFK> 2.6 will support 3.0 stuff
[04:43] <CarlFK> er
[04:43] <CarlFK> 2.6 will support some 3.0 stuff
[04:43] <CarlFK> but is still backwards compatible
[04:43] <CarlFK> 3.0 breaks backwards compat...
[04:46] <joshjtl> When I try to restart, after splash screen I get an indefinite black screen, where I have to ctrl+alt+delete to reboot
[04:48] <joshjtl> going to try shutting down instead of rebooting to see what happens
[04:48] <joshjtl> brb
[05:23] <sparr> what version of kde will [probably] be in jaunty?
[05:24] <crdlb> 4.2?
[05:25] <linkinx64> 4.2.3.1
[05:25] <sparr> i hope 4.x catches up to 3.x in functionality soon...  the single biggest thing that could force me back to debian
[05:25] <les> 4.2 is supposed to be ready to go
[05:36] <linkinx64> Got Sound!!!!!!!!!
[05:36] <linkinx64> L:D~
[05:53] <linkinx64> how to increase the size of the new notifications??
[06:09] <lamalex> Hi, my computer crashed while installing a package, and now apt is totally bruced. Can anyone help me with this? http://paste2.org/p/156679
[06:13] <Hobbsee> lamalex: remove the postinst file, and run dpkg --configure -a, perhaps.  Looks like python-central is no longer installed?
[06:16] <lamalex> Hobbsee: aptitude says python-central is installed, where does the postinst live?
[06:17] <lamalex> /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ?
[06:17] <rww> lamalex: yes
[06:17] <lamalex> just the postinst? nothing else?
[06:20] <lamalex> rad, I think that fixed it. moved everything but the .list file
[06:21] <lamalex> thanks guys
[06:40] <teethdood> python is still broken for us all still?
[06:57] <alteregoa> mr. meowagi
[07:06] <Alexia_Death> pulseaudio is busted.
[07:06] <Alexia_Death> alsa plug makes pulseaudio eat 100% cpu
[07:38] <coz_> is there any way to get the jaunty wallpaper tray fade for intrepid?
[07:41] <crdlb> coz_: tray?
[07:42] <coz_> crdlb,  yeah I thought I read that the wallpaper fade is a tray applet  I may be wrong
[07:42] <crdlb> if you just mean the way nautilus fades between wallpaper icons, upgrading isn't really a fantastic idea
[07:42] <coz_> ok
[07:42] <coz_> understood
[07:43] <coz_> I have tried every script and application to fade desktop wallpaper one to the other  with absolutely no success
[07:43] <crdlb> there's no way to do it without nautilus doing it
[07:44] <crdlb> unless you don't let nautilus manage the desktop (but I don't actually know of another desktop manager that does it)
[07:44] <coz_> crdlb,   ok definitly understood :)
[07:57] <Slartibartfast> Seems there is a fade in effect between splash and desktop view in Kubuntu ... But this does not work here. Anybody know how to get this working again?
[09:56] <humbolt> is there any place, where one can vote on ubuntu design? the new GDM theme must go. It is embarrassing!
[09:56] <dns53> try the art team, you could comment on the wiki aswell
[09:59] <humbolt> black backgrounds are soooo outdated
[09:59] <ziroday> humbolt: there is brainstorm as well, that idea is already up there.
[09:59] <humbolt> who are we, a motercycle gang?
[10:00] <humbolt> Yes, I know the voting on art idea is up there. But not implemented as it seems.
[10:00] <ziroday> humbolt: well you are more then welcome to come up with a better login screen
[10:00] <dns53> it is an open group with a mailing list
[10:00] <humbolt> I have seen such beautiful design studies, but they were never picked.
[10:01] <ziroday> humbolt: then put them up as solutions to the brainstorm idea
[10:01] <humbolt> hope this is not released like that
[10:01] <ziroday> humbolt: and so far it is extremely likely that will be the final gdm screen
[10:03] <humbolt> oh god, oh god, NO
[10:03] <humbolt> the media will laugh about ubuntu!
[10:03] <humbolt> who favoured this screen?
[10:03] <ziroday> humbolt: its not like you are forced to use it, if you prefer an alternative then use it
[10:03] <humbolt> I sense influence from the top here
[10:04] <humbolt> ziroday: Yes I am not forced to use it .... but think about Ubuntu's reputation.
[10:04] <humbolt> The Distro has always been cutting edge but the design always sucked!!!
[10:04] <humbolt> And now it is getting even worse!
[10:05] <dns53> so are you going to fix it by suggesting ideas or submitting artwork?
[10:05] <ziroday> humbolt: you are more then welcome to contribute something to the art team if you don't like the current direction. You can vote on brainstorm ideas, but just because you don't like it doesn't mean its going to change
[10:05] <ziroday> its not humbuntu
[10:05] <humbolt> sure sure
[10:06] <ziroday> and if by top you mean canonical then yes, they do decide the final artwork in ubuntu
[10:06] <humbolt> just trying to make you aware, that a perfect technical job can be totally blown by bad industrial design of a product.
[10:07] <humbolt> with top I mean mark shuttelworth
[10:07] <humbolt> to name it
[10:07] <humbolt> as the notification thingy is equally ugly
[10:07] <ziroday> humbolt: thankfully you are not forced to use that design, this being linux/ubuntu you can change what you want. Its your computer
[10:07] <humbolt> and that seems to come from him
[10:07] <humbolt> ziroday: don't tell me, what is not up for discussion here
[10:08] <humbolt> ziroday: I am talking about the impact on public opinion, not mine
[10:08] <humbolt> anyhow
[10:09] <ziroday> humbolt: as I said before, there is brainstorm and the ubuntu art team where you can submit alternatives :)
[10:09] <humbolt> I want to vote on alternatives
[10:09] <Infecto> hello
[10:09] <humbolt> Not submit one
[10:10] <ziroday> humbolt: well amazingly you can do that too on brainstorm
[10:10] <Infecto> some one is familiar with jaunty and browser problem, mean that any want to start :)
[10:11] <Infecto> and i dont se anything in logs
[10:11] <Infecto> just hanging and dont start
[10:11] <Infecto> firefox and opera
[10:12] <Infecto> and konqueror tooo
[10:14] <Infecto> and i have strange filing since 6.04 or earlier, cluser to release and more thinks dont work
[10:16] <Infecto> hmmm
[10:16] <Infecto>  /tmp/.ICE-unix
[10:16] <Infecto> all browsers have problem with write to this directory
[10:16] <Infecto> there was 2 files i remove them  and ... all goes ok
[10:22] <humbolt> ziroday: amazingly there are not designs to vote on to be found on brainstorm. just ideas about voting on designs.
[10:22] <ziroday> humbolt: then submit a design, or a design idea.
[10:22] <humbolt> design idea: not black
[10:33] <humbolt> Why is CFS so freaking slow?
[11:07] <urkki> Is USB-startup disc functioning normally for everyone? I'm not able to make a USB-stick, it gives me errror in the end, always
[11:09] <lemonade> I have the same issue and if I remember correct there is already bug report too
[11:09] <urkki> Ah, good to know I'm not alone
[11:14] <pavs> is it possible to "upgrade" a ibex install to the latest jaunty alpha release?
[11:16] <geser> pavs: yes, use "update-manager -d"
[11:17] <pavs> thanks :)
[11:40] <maxb> Why would debconf want to talk to gconf? I just got a couple of debconf GUI popups, accompanied by a "Failed to contact configuration server" error box
[11:53] <BUGabundo> guys
[11:53] <BUGabundo> where did the gconf entry for Update Notifier go???
[11:53] <BUGabundo> I don't see it!
[11:53] <BUGabundo> I'm getting worried
[11:53] <BUGabundo> btw guud morning
[12:01]  * BUGabundo sets the alarm clock to HIGH: WAKE UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
[12:23] <Moult> hey folks, i've just installed Jaunty, how do i 1) get into root (i don't know the password apparently) and 2) get a gui?
[12:35] <Moult> ok, apparently it just wants me to use sudo, fine.
[12:35] <Moult> how do i install a GUI on jaunty?
[12:36] <spiongraz> my soundcard has several outputs and pulseaudio always uses the wrong output, how can i tell pulseaudio which output it should use?
[12:37] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: hi, are you here?
[12:38] <Moult> does jaunty come with a GUI when installed?
[12:40] <IntuitiveNipple> 'afternoon thehook... did you make progress?
[12:41] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: yes, i filed a bugreport as we spoke of yesterday, but i did not manage to subscribe you, the is no IntuitiveNipple on launchpad..
[12:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Moult: Well, that'd depend on how it was installed and from what source.
[12:41] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: "intuitivenipple"
[12:42] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: i installed as a vm
[12:42] <thehook> i tried.. and search for both intuitive and nipple but no matches
[12:42] <thehook> but heres the link :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/336460
[12:43] <Ng> Moult: do you have the "ubuntu-desktop" package installed?
[12:43] <Moult> Ng: no idea, i'm new to ubuntu and apt-get
[12:43] <Ng> Moult: that pulls in all of the default GUI stuff
[12:43] <Ng> Moult: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:43] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: https://edge.launchpad.net/~intuitivenipple :)
[12:44] <thehook> how do I change keyboard layout in minimal install btw? im a bit spoiled and only used to setxkbmap..
[12:44] <thehook> ok I'll try again
[12:44] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: change it for the terminals?
[12:44] <Moult> Ng: error
[12:44] <Moult> Ng: some packages could not be installed, could be because...
[12:44] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: aah, there it worked.. but yes for the terminal
[12:45] <Moult> Ng: depends on gnome-app-install
[12:45] <thehook> + and everything else
[12:45] <Ng> Moult: g-a-i should be installable fine at the moment
[12:45] <IntuitiveNipple> Moult: Jaunty is in development currently; it isn't really suitable for novices yet.
[12:45] <Moult> Ng: Depends: gnome-app-install but it is not going to be installed
[12:46] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: i'm not a linux novice, if that's what you're asking, i'm just new to ubuntu. The main reason i'm using it is to test the latest kernel to see if it has support for a driver, because i can't get it working on my distro.
[12:46] <IntuitiveNipple> Moult: Did you install from the -server or -alternate disk images?
[12:46] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: alternate disk images
[12:46] <IntuitiveNipple> Moult: that explains it :)
[12:46] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: right. should i have chosen server?
[12:47] <IntuitiveNipple> Moult: What's the driver you're chasing?
[12:47] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: what's the difference between them? (I didn't read in detail :P)
[12:47] <IntuitiveNipple> Moult: No, I was just trying to figure out which installer source you'd used since the live-CD installs the GUI :)
[12:48] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: for webcam, should be inbuilt for USV support, but apparently though it now recognises the webcam it..."doesn't work", a bit hard to go into detail here :)
[12:48] <IntuitiveNipple> Moult: Alternate is for avoiding problems with a GUI install or making more customisations
[12:48] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: right. where'd I find the ISO i'm looking for?
[12:48] <IntuitiveNipple> Moult: Server is for, well, servers - no GUI component, kernel tuned for ... servers :)
[12:48] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: right. what am I looking for?
[12:48] <IntuitiveNipple> Moult: Which camera is it? Do you have the PCI Vendor:Device ID?
[12:49] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 064e:a103 Suyin Corp.
[12:49] <Moult> :)
[12:49] <IntuitiveNipple> hang on, I'll search now
[12:51] <IntuitiveNipple> I can't find that ID in the modules maps; But if it is a UVC device it may match on other characteristics
[12:52]  * Moult cannot find the link to the Jaunty ISO download again
[12:52] <IntuitiveNipple> The cdimage servers are so slow I can't find it yet either
[12:52] <IntuitiveNipple> finally: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[12:53] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: out of curiosity, is there actually a way to find that link via the front page?
[12:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Moult: I don't think so since it's for developers
[12:56] <thehook> where is the keymap files located in ubuntu?
[12:58] <IntuitiveNipple> "man loadkeys"
[12:58] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: right. downloading the desktop cd now
[12:58] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: that should fix things up :)
[13:01] <IntuitiveNipple> Moult: Is the camera supposed to be UVC compliant?
[13:01] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: i have, but i cant find the path, tried searching with locate as well, and google but all google say is that slackware has it in /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/ but that does not exist in ubuntu
[13:02] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: yes
[13:02] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: (built in btw)
[13:02] <Moult> IntuitiveNipple: at least that's what my google searches and lsusb -v messages show :)
[13:03] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: Hmm, bug in documentation there then. Please report the bug :) (in package kbd)
[13:03] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: "dpkg-query -L kbd" suggests /etc/kbd/
[13:04]  * Moult brbs to do a math question :)
[13:08] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: i can not remember what the exact name of my layout is either.. only config and remap in /etc/kbd/
[13:09] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: there must be more character maps than just us right? or is there another package maybe?
[13:37] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: Did you solve the keyboard issue? I was just looking at "/etc/default/console-setup" which is generated, I think, from the console-setup package
[13:38] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: nope, still no progress..
[13:47] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: Try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup"
[13:50] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: everything seems right there, and after just clicking through it now works :)
[13:51] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm
[13:51] <thehook> I just used the defaulted values
[14:00] <thehook> IntuitiveNipple: now that i remember, the cli was changed a bit also graphically.. i remember the defaulted value when asked "detect keyboard map" was no, i remember this because i never understood why it's preferred to type 50 characters instead of selecting the keyboard from a list..
[14:00] <thehook> its always been yes before
[14:02] <RomD> is it normal that jaunty's multi monitor support is completely broken at this point?
[14:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Multi-monitor is working fine (for me). Try being a bit more specific about your particular configuration
[14:09] <RomD> well, if I start an app from the menu or click a 2#
[14:09] <RomD> "places" shortcut the app/nautilus always opens on the main monitor
[14:10] <RomD> hardy worked fine, but intrepid already had the problems with the places shortcuts opening on the wrong screen
[14:10] <RomD> I'm using separated x screens
[14:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Are you using twinview or multiple X screens?
[14:11] <RomD> and when I move the mouse cursor from the side monitors to the main one, there is a copy of the cursor left on the edge of the screen
[14:11] <IntuitiveNipple> ok... same here, and I noticed that too... Thought it was just me imagining it though :)
[14:11] <RomD> separated x screens
[14:11] <IntuitiveNipple> RomD: Yes, I reported that too... are you using nvidia video driver?
[14:11] <RomD> yep
[14:11] <RomD> used the 180
[14:12] <IntuitiveNipple> the duplicate mouse cursor is a problem with the nvidia driver so far as I can determine.
[14:12] <RomD> well it works fine in hardy
[14:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Looks like Nvidia have major issues with the 180.xx series so far.
[14:12] <RomD> except having a weird bug in the menu on my third screen
[14:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Maybe; but Hardy has a different X server
[14:12] <RomD> but otherwise the 180 driver works fine in hardy
[14:13] <RomD> you don't have the application starting on wrong monitor problem?
[14:14] <RomD> of course I could use DISPLAY=:0.1 in the terminal everytime
[14:14] <RomD> but it's annoying
[14:16] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, I have been getting that. What is strange is *some* will start on the correct X screen and others won't unless the shortcut is prefixed with the DISPLAY=
[14:19] <RomD> I really hope they take care of that. multi montitor is really poor in linux compared to windows
[14:19] <theholyduck> it was way better in the days of xinerama
[14:19] <theholyduck> sure you had to hard conf your xorg
[14:19] <theholyduck> but it WORKED
[14:19] <RomD> I tried twinview and xinerama, but both caused problems
[14:20] <RomD> xinerama causes those ugly redraws and doesn't work with compiz
[14:21] <RomD> are you using intrepid IntuitiveNipple ?
[14:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Jaunty
[14:22] <RomD> did you have problems with the places shortcuts in intrepid?
[14:22] <RomD> with them opening on the main screen
[14:22] <RomD> instead of the one you clicked the menu entry on
[14:23] <theholyduck> RomD, compiz is annoying though :P
[14:23] <theholyduck> and yeah xinerama doesnt have direct rendering
[14:23] <theholyduck> by design
[14:23] <theholyduck> but i dont need it so i dont mind
[14:23] <RomD> theholyduck, wobbly windows :P
[14:23] <RomD> and other things
[14:23] <IntuitiveNipple> I haven't used Intrepid.
[14:24] <RomD> whenever I work on systems without wobbly windows, everything seems so rigid and undynamic
[14:25] <RomD> you really get used to it
[14:25] <RomD> it may be unnecessary eyecandy, but it's just more fun to work with
[14:26] <theholyduck> RomD, :P
[14:26] <theholyduck> i always use some minimalistic wm anyway
[14:26] <theholyduck> without desktop envs
[14:26] <theholyduck> wobbly make me sick
[14:26] <theholyduck> i like mey rigid windows with thin bars
[14:37] <ubuntu_> hi,I have a question...
[14:37] <ubuntu_> my jaunty boot error!
[14:38] <ubuntu_> maybe the fstab is incorrected...
[14:38] <ubuntu_> or because of my ext4 file system?...
[14:38] <ubuntu_> or my bad apt source?
[14:39] <ubuntu_> Is there someone can help me?
[14:40] <ubuntu_> nick laputa
[14:40] <billybigrigger> well whats the problem/error?
[14:41] <laputa> as you know ,in fstab there is relatime,error=ro
[14:41] <billybigrigger> yes
[14:41] <laputa> and my system is readonly
[14:41] <billybigrigger> ok
[14:41] <laputa> so it must be error!
[14:41] <billybigrigger> well change it
[14:41] <billybigrigger> this is on your / partition?
[14:42] <laputa> I have five partitions.
[14:42] <billybigrigger> oh
[14:42] <billybigrigger> sorry
[14:42] <billybigrigger> haha, i just woke up, havent even gotten my first cup of coffee
[14:42] <billybigrigger> your drive is being mounted readonly, leading you to believe there's an error
[14:42] <laputa> but I will sleep later,hahaha...
[14:43] <laputa> my boot is ext2.
[14:43] <laputa> my root is ext4
[14:43] <billybigrigger> which drive has the ro flag?
[14:43] <laputa> the root partition
[14:43] <laputa> and the other partition is not mounted as expected.
[14:44] <billybigrigger> k
[14:44] <billybigrigger> check out /var/log/fsck/checkroot
[14:44] <billybigrigger> any errors there?
[14:44] <laputa> let me see...
[14:44] <drostie> Is there a reason why the default Kubuntu Network management in jaunty doesn't do 802.1x?
[14:44] <billybigrigger> im just going out on a limb trying to help you, i've never had this before
[14:44] <billybigrigger> but that looks to be about the best place to start looking
[14:45] <billybigrigger> laputa, my checkroot says the last check was clean so i imagine it would through you an error to that log
[14:48] <laputa> it say:/dev/sda5:clean, 12131/655360 files, 202264/2620595 blocks
[14:49] <laputa> it seems like ok....en?
[14:49] <billybigrigger> but is sda5 your /?
[14:49] <laputa> yes...
[14:49] <IntuitiveNipple> RomD: you might want to add your confirmation to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bug/336721
[14:49] <laputa> my sda1 is /boot
[14:49] <laputa> and sda2 is extended partition
[14:49] <laputa> sda5 is root
[14:50] <laputa> sda6 is /usr
[14:50] <RomD> Lost something?
[14:50] <RomD> There’s no page with this address in Launchpad.
[14:50] <RomD> :p
[14:50] <IntuitiveNipple> RomD: oh me and my manual editing of URLs1
[14:50] <IntuitiveNipple> RomD: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/336721
[14:51] <|max|> Hello, I have a problem where vista overrode my MBR. Genetally, I deal with this by using super grub disc to restore grub on the mbr, but it is not working this time, as it cannot find /boot/grub/stage1 nor /boot/grub/menu.lst | I have 3 partitions, 1st is ext2/unutu, 2nd is vista 3rd is swap for linux
[14:51] <laputa> sda7 is /home, sda8 is swap and sda9 is /var. so, billybigrigger, are you use jaunty?
[14:52] <billybigrigger> laputa, yes im on jaunty
[14:52] <Starcraftmazter> I checked whether those files are there or not using a livecd, and they are
[14:52] <RomD> I have an account, but haven't really worked with launchpad. do I just post a comment to confirm?
[14:52] <billybigrigger> laputa, how much space is left on your disk?
[14:52] <drostie> |max|: in the grub prompt, type "find /boot/grub/menu.lst" to figure out what partition grub is looking for.
[14:53] <Starcraftmazter> drostie: the result is "File not found"
[14:54] <drostie> Do you have a separate boot partition? o_O
[14:54] <laputa> root used 7%,home used 96%, /usr used 38%
[14:54] <Starcraftmazter> I do not
[14:54] <Starcraftmazter> I use my main linux partition as a boot partition
[14:54] <laputa> space is enough...
[14:55] <billybigrigger> laputa, and your / is ext4, did you do a fresh ext4 install?
[14:56] <RomD> IntuitiveNipple, do I just have to post a comment or is there something else to do?
[14:56] <drostie> So, find /grub/menu.lst also doesn't work?
[14:56] <IntuitiveNipple> RomD: A comment would be good, then I can mark the bug Confirmed
[14:56] <laputa> yes. I installed with alpah4.
[14:56] <laputa> alpha4.
[14:56] <Starcraftmazter> drostie: It does not
[14:56] <Riesh> Mmm Seems aMsn is also not working anymore ...... ...can't connect
[14:57] <drostie> Starcraftmazter: that's weird, dude. It suggests that grub can't see your ext2 partition in the first place, if you know that the file exists. Could you try putting a file directly in the root folder of that drive, and trying to find it from the grub prompt?
[14:57] <laputa> billybigrigger,I want to know what's relatime.
[14:58] <drostie> Also, are you sure that the grub prompt is running as root?
[14:58] <laputa> are your fstab has relatime setting,too?
[14:58] <Starcraftmazter> drostie: I already have some files there, let me check. I am sure it detects the drive though, if i go to manual boot, it lists it as an ext2 partition
[14:58] <drostie> laputa: access times get updated relatively.
[14:58] <RomD> done IntuitiveNipple
[14:59] <billybigrigger> laputa, yes, both my machines have the relatime option set
[14:59] <Starcraftmazter> drostie: i checked to see if it can "find /file", and it cant. But is it supposed to be able to find files in 'any random ext2 partition' ?
[15:00] <Starcraftmazter> where file exists
[15:00] <billybigrigger> laputa, so your root gets mounted read only, but are you able to boot into it?
[15:00] <billybigrigger> laputa, or what errors are you getting?
[15:00] <Starcraftmazter> drostie: as for it running as root, im not aware of super grub disc having such setting
[15:00] <Starcraftmazter> so i assume yes, i guess
[15:01] <drostie> Starcraftmazter: oh; I was thinking of running grub in a Linux console. I have no idea what super grub disk acts like.
[15:02] <Starcraftmazter> drostie: is it possible to restore the grub on mbr from a livecd?
[15:02] <drostie> sure, in principle.
[15:02] <Starcraftmazter> is it...easy? :P
[15:04] <drostie> find /boot/grub/menu.lst tells you a partition name, e.g. (hd1,2) or so. Then you need to find a partition on the drive you want to install to: e.g. (hd2,3). Then the command [setup --prefix=/boot/grub (hd2) (hd1,2)] will install into the MBR of hd2.
[15:05] <Starcraftmazter> ok, thanks drostie, i will try that
[15:05] <laputa> billybigrigger: I can boot half.
[15:05] <laputa> only root mode.
[15:06] <laputa> and the other partitions are not mounted. why?
[15:06] <laputa> billybigrigger:wait for my reboot...
[15:07] <billybigrigger> yes sir
[15:10] <Starcraftmazter> hey thanks drostie, that worked 8)
[15:12] <amoblin> billybigrigger:hello,I come back now!
[15:12] <drostie> ^_^
[15:13] <amoblin> billybigrigger:my last error is: Clocksource tsc unstable(delta=-456155318ns)
[15:13] <amoblin> billybigrigger:I'm ubuntu_, the one who has a boot problem...
[15:14] <billybigrigger> ahh
[15:14] <amoblin> bash: groups: command not found
[15:14] <amoblin> bash: dircolors: command not found
[15:15] <amoblin> root@(none):~# [ 4.688081] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -456155318 ns)
[15:15] <amoblin> help me!
[15:16] <billybigrigger> well did this just happen out of the blue?
[15:16] <billybigrigger> after recent updates?
[15:16] <billybigrigger> where you playing around with a new kernel?
[15:16] <amoblin> my kernel is 2.6.28-7
[15:17] <billybigrigger> maybe update to 2.6.28-8
[15:17] <billybigrigger> or pastebin your dmesg
[15:18] <amoblin> I want to ,but I cannot boot to the system... pastebin dmesg? what's mean?
[15:18] <billybigrigger> so everyone can give you a hand...if never seen an error like that, and i am by no means a linux/kernel guru
[15:18] <billybigrigger> your /var/log/dmesg
[15:18] <billybigrigger> copy it to pastebin.com
[15:19] <billybigrigger> or pastebin.ubuntu.com
[15:19] <billybigrigger> k, you cant boot the system, did you run fsck?
[15:20] <amoblin> just finished!
[15:20] <billybigrigger> and...
[15:20] <amoblin> and so?
[15:20] <amoblin> what?
[15:20] <billybigrigger> everything checked out ok?
[15:22] <amoblin> there is only a warning,besides, a cofirm to continue.
[15:22] <billybigrigger> amoblin, ok, after your clocksource tsc unstable error, what is the next line?
[15:22] <amoblin> that is the last line.
[15:24] <amoblin> that's all under single mode.and when under normal mode, it says:
[15:24] <amoblin> init: Unable to execute "/usr/sbin/kernel-helper" for last-good-boot:No such file or directory.
[15:25] <amoblin> init: last-good-boot main proces(1323) terminated with status 255
[15:25] <amoblin> the end
[15:27] <billybigrigger> ok
[15:27] <billybigrigger> type this cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource
[15:27] <billybigrigger> see what others are available
[15:28] <billybigrigger> then add this parameter to your kernel when booting....clocksource=whateverclocksource
[15:29] <billybigrigger> should be something like hpet or acpi_pm
[15:29] <billybigrigger> so try booting with clocksource=hpet
[15:30] <amoblin> acpi_pm jiffies tsc
[15:30] <billybigrigger> k
[15:30] <amoblin> that is it
[15:30] <billybigrigger> clocksource=acpi_pm
[15:30] <billybigrigger> give that a try
[15:33] <amoblin> it seems not works.
[15:33] <billybigrigger> did you pass that parameter to your kernel at boot?
[15:34] <amoblin> pass? I added ...
[15:40] <Infecto> i need some aplication to recovery data from ext3, some one is familiar with any tool?
[15:40] <deepthought> any news on the restricted nvidia driver in jaunty ?   it freakz me out not to be able to use my dual screen... or is there a workaround for now ?
[15:42] <amoblin> billybigrigger:ext4-fs:delayed allocation enabled?
[15:42] <amoblin> kjournald2 starting. Commit interval 5 seconds...
[15:43] <IntuitiveNipple> who made the update-manager notification pop-up go transparent when the mouse hovers over it?
[15:45] <mvo> IntuitiveNipple: that is notify-osd (the replacement for notification-daemon)
[15:45] <IntuitiveNipple> mvo: yeah ... it was playing hide-n-seek with me :)
[15:48] <Numbers> Hey guys, suffering with 130.35 (nvidia).. how do I downgrade back to 130.29
[16:00] <s0u][ight> ppa works?
[16:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Numbers: I might be able to tell you shortly; That update is just being applied here and I may have to back it out :)
[16:02] <Numbers> IntuitiveNipple, heh.. 180.35 crippled me last night
[16:03] <Numbers> could be because I did a straight upgrade though rather than removing the old nvidia packages?
[16:03] <IntuitiveNipple> uh-oh... I've found enough problems with .28 or whatever version
[16:03] <Numbers> .29 seems to be what most are going back to
[16:04] <tretle> is anyone else having issues trying to install updates?
[16:05] <IntuitiveNipple> which ones?
[16:05] <maxb> tretle: Your question is too vague, be more specific.
[16:05] <tretle> any ones
[16:05] <IntuitiveNipple> "No"
[16:05] <Numbers> mine installed, most have been partial upgrades
[16:05] <Numbers> mine also broke ;)
[16:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Acid-test time... restarting... might see you next week :)
[16:06] <Numbers> such is the life of being on edge
[16:06] <tretle> it keeps saying some packages could not be retrieved from the server(s). Do you want to continue, ignoring these packages?
[16:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Is that edge-triggered interrupts :p
[16:06] <Numbers> heh
[16:06] <tretle> I have tried switching from the main repo to the irish one but the same problem
[16:06] <IntuitiveNipple> tretle: That sounds like a mirror-server not caught up issue
[16:07] <IntuitiveNipple> tretle: manually check the main archive.ubuntu.com server using a web browser for the package-versions that are reporting the issue
[16:24] <BUGabundo> hi everyone
[16:25] <charlie-tca> hey, BUGabundo
[16:25] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/4653/  why doesn't this match?  <match key="info.udi" contains="20E33823_if0_logicaldev_input">
[16:25] <CarlFK>   info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_4e7_20_20E33823_if0_logicaldev_input'  (string)
[16:25] <CarlFK> i cut/pasted from lshal to 50-touchscreen.fdi  - so it isn't like there is a typo
[16:25] <BUGabundo> hey CarlFK
[16:26] <BUGabundo> grr
[16:26] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: hey
[16:26] <CarlFK> hey billybigrigger
[16:26] <billybigrigger> CarlFK, hey
[16:26] <billybigrigger> haha
[16:26] <CarlFK> no no no... you need to pick somenoe else
[16:26] <CarlFK> the chian is broken - bad luck for everyone!
[16:26] <billybigrigger> is everyone's tab being fussy today?
[16:27] <billybigrigger> hah
[16:27] <Numbers> nope, just the nvidia update :p
[16:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Numbers: Seem's okay here so far
[16:27] <Numbers> IntuitiveNipple, did you remove the cruft before you upgraded?
[16:28] <IntuitiveNipple> Nope
[16:28] <Numbers> Nvidia hates me.
[16:28] <IntuitiveNipple> I just let update-manager get on with it
[16:28]  * BUGabundo just wants python mess to be fixed!
[16:28] <Numbers> will run update manager again when i get home, might have fixed itself since yesterday
[16:28] <BUGabundo> don't even care about all the fuss about notifications or UM
[16:28]  * IntuitiveNipple wants the notification mess fixed!
[16:28] <Numbers> BUGabundo, indeed.. I did wonder why sabnzbd got removed
[16:28] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: give a button and working links! that's all
[16:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Evolution throwing up dialogs for notification now, despite the plug-in settings to use notification icon and a popup
[16:30] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: wasn't that fixed??
[16:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Dunno... I'll tell you shortly once Evo starts up
[16:31] <BUGabundo> the wiki had a link to a bug, and it was FIXED
[16:31] <IntuitiveNipple> I avoided any updates over the weekend so just applied over 200
[16:31] <BUGabundo> great news! just got hired! start tomorrow
[16:32] <BUGabundo> so I won't have all this time to be with you guys!
[16:32] <BUGabundo> will miss all of you
[16:32] <Numbers> how rude ;)
[16:32] <Numbers> only kidding, congrats
[16:33] <BUGabundo> thanks
[16:33] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, congrtulations :)
[16:33] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: what've you been hired to do?
[16:35] <BUGabundo> Sys Admin
[16:35] <BUGabundo> my are of work
[16:35] <IntuitiveNipple> More bug huntung then :)
[16:35] <IntuitiveNipple> s/huntung/hunting/
[16:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Nice to see upstream have just fixed the gnome log-viewer trying to open non-existent files
[16:37] <tgpraveen> guys from a few days even b4 the python related upgrade my EOG eye of gnome is extremely unstable
[16:37] <tgpraveen> and when it crashes it takes down the whole system with it.
[16:37] <tgpraveen> any one else have this prob?
[16:38] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: AHHHHHHHHHHHhh great! that was stupid
[16:38] <Bert_2> say, has anything changed in how dhcp is handled between hardy, intrepid and jaunty ?
[16:41] <CarlFK> Bert_2: maybe - I notice they keep flipping between sending the hostname or not
[16:42] <Bert_2> CarlFK: but basically the configuration files are exchangeable ?
[16:42] <CarlFK>  /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf; send host-name "<hostname>";
[16:42] <CarlFK> Bert_2: yep
[16:47] <Bert_2> CarlFK: okey
[16:54] <thehook> any news on the intel 845
[16:54] <thehook> ?
[16:56] <thehook> anyone using the kde 4.2 version here?
[16:56] <BUGabundo> a bit
[16:56] <BUGabundo> I'm more of a gnome guy
[16:56] <BUGabundo> but have both installed
[16:56] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: OSS works fine! no other audio service does :(
[16:57] <thehook> do you have the problem that when opening a dolphin window with 12 elements it can not decide if it wants 2 or 3 columns and are bouncing between them?
[16:58] <thehook> BUGabundo: im a gnome person myself but i installed kubuntu-desktop as well cause the kde 4.2 seems nice
[16:59] <thehook> BUGabundo: the problem is fixed by resizing the dolphin window.
[17:01] <BUGabundo> don't use much dolphin
[17:01] <BUGabundo> more konqueror
[17:04] <MaGicKanGaRoo> hello
[17:04] <MaGicKanGaRoo> in relation to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/308805
[17:04] <BUGabundo> how can I know what gtk theme engine am I using?
[17:05] <MaGicKanGaRoo> would it be advisable to install a previous versions xorg-server to get around that problem?
[17:05] <ronny> what the heck is up with recent updates
[17:05] <ronny> python apps randomly segfault
[17:06] <MaGicKanGaRoo> is that not to do with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1082102
[17:07] <ronny> ah i see
[17:07] <BUGabundo> ronny: python migration
[17:08] <BUGabundo> why don't all you guys subscribe to the devel announce ML?
[17:08] <BUGabundo> and why do you FORCE partial upgrades without checking the know probs?
[17:09] <ronny> "force"? all i did was upgrade/dist-upgrade
[17:10] <ronny> thats what usually just works
[17:21] <ronny> hmm, the pythoneers ppa didnt help
[17:21] <ronny> but not it segfails reliable at least
[17:46] <FFForever> Hello
[17:47] <FFForever> any idea on why when i login i am greeted with a black screen
[17:48] <FFForever> (if i go to tty1 then back to tty7 everything is fine =)
[17:49] <vbgunz> how do you continue the libc6 upgrade later?
[17:50] <vbgunz> well, I need to try something
[17:55] <woody86> has anyone had problems getting wicd to stay connected in Jaunty?
[18:01] <vbgunz> anybody have an idea on how to solve or troubleshoot the reason why resuming from a suspend to ram always yields a dead sata disk?
[18:37] <BUGabundo> need a bit of help here
[18:37] <BUGabundo> need a small text to announce an Ubuntu install and promotion session
[18:37]  * charlie-tca thinks Oh-oh, this is serious when BUGabundo needs help
[18:37] <BUGabundo> and im out of ideas
[18:37] <FFForever> any idea on why when i login i am greeted with a black screen?
[18:37] <FFForever> (if i go to tty1 then back to tty7 everything is fine =)
[18:42] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/125413/ ?
[18:44] <Numbers> Are compiz effects broken with latest updates?
[18:44] <Numbers> 'Desktop effects could not be enabled'
[18:44] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/125414/
[18:44] <BUGabundo> Numbers: been getting that for weeks
[18:44] <charlie-tca> FFForever: perhaps you aren't waiting enough for it to draw the desktop?
[18:44] <BUGabundo> only with Fusion-icon I could enable mine
[18:44] <Numbers> BUGabundo, ah.. mine was fine until yesterday
[18:44] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: http://paste.ubuntu.com/125414/
[18:45] <FFForever> charlie-tca, i waited 5mins....
[18:45] <Numbers> I guess i'll have to live without Docky for a while, heh
[18:45] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: looks good. I was going to do that, but didn't want to slur anything
[18:45] <charlie-tca> FFForever: should be long enough, then
[18:46] <FFForever> charlie-tca, that is what i said....
[18:46] <FFForever> charlie-tca, =(, if i disable compiz i have no problem....
[18:46] <charlie-tca> So, did you find that compiz bug about it?
[18:46] <BUGabundo> draft http://paste.ubuntu.com/125416/
[18:47] <FFForever> charlie-tca, no i just disabled it to test
[18:47] <FFForever> how can i disable the crash manager?
[18:47] <charlie-tca> I remember seeing one, but I don't know if it has been fixed
[18:47] <charlie-tca> crash manager = apport?
[18:48] <FFForever> also i tried dontzap --disable and i still cant use ctrl+alt+bkspace
[18:52] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/125420/
[18:53] <charlie-tca> It is new to anyone not using it, right?
[18:53] <vbgunz> anyone have a clue on why the sata drive from resume?
[18:54] <BUGabundo> I think I should have attached a Compiz Cube effect
[18:54] <BUGabundo> that alone "sells" ubuntu to new users
[18:54] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: still having trouble with the disk?
[18:54] <charlie-tca> FFForever: disable crash manager: /etc/default/apport ; set 'enabled=1' to 'enabled=0'
[18:54] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: yeah. I swear I tried everything. I am absolutely convinced everything and its mother comes back except for my sata drive
[18:55] <FFForever> thanks
[18:55] <BUGabundo> bug with hw or kernel
[18:55] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: maybe trying to turn off some ACPI options?
[18:55] <BUGabundo> that was the only way I got a SiS based laptop to run
[18:55] <vbgunz> the resolution comes back. apps come back. I can plug stuff in *but* of course it will crash *because* I cannot *read* or *write* to the sata drive
[18:56] <vbgunz> how can I say *please* dont put the sata disk to sleep? is this possible?
[18:56] <vbgunz> OR is there a way to put nothing to sleep and then test by adding devices 1 at a time to sleep to pinpoint exactly where the problem is?
[18:56] <vbgunz> unfortunately becuase I cannot read/write to a dead sata disk, I can never complete the bugreport :(
[18:57] <BUGabundo> here is not the best place
[18:57] <BUGabundo> sure there are great guys here
[18:57] <BUGabundo> that know much about kernel
[18:58] <BUGabundo> but you may be better to get some one from the kernel team
[18:58] <BUGabundo> usually ogassama is pretty helpful
[18:58] <BUGabundo> and can always point you to the "right" person
[18:58] <BUGabundo> try apw too
[18:58] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: join me on #ubuntu-devel please
[18:58] <vbgunz> does my kernel have sata power management built in? 2.6.28?
[18:58] <BUGabundo> yes
[18:59] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: ok
[18:59] <BUGabundo> most modules are no complied in, to be faster
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Time for lunch, bbl
[19:02] <BUGabundo> lets see if vbgunz gets something going!
[19:02] <BUGabundo> some times its just a question of WHO you talk too
[19:08] <Numbers> eh, how come the log out, reboot and shut down menu options have gone from the 'System' dropdown
[19:10] <BUGabundo> old news too
[19:10] <BUGabundo> you have to keep up with the updates
[19:10] <BUGabundo> LOL
[19:11] <Numbers> i've only been on the alpha for a couple of days ;)
[19:13] <BUGabundo> ahh
[19:14] <BUGabundo> need to come on sooner next time
[19:14] <BUGabundo> LOL
[19:14] <BUGabundo> even before alpha1 like i did
[19:14] <Numbers> :P will do
[19:14] <Numbers> what's the ETA of alpha6?
[19:15] <BUGabundo>  !schedule
[19:15] <Numbers> ta
[19:17] <Numbers> Ok, signed up to the jaunty changed mailing list
[19:17] <Numbers> changes*
[19:18] <BUGabundo> dude you are crazier then I am
[19:18] <BUGabundo> good luck with that
[19:18] <BUGabundo> even the RSS feed is too much for me
[19:18] <BUGabundo> be ready for a few hunders per day
[19:18] <Numbers> I wimped it and signed up for digests only ;)
[19:19] <BUGabundo> ohhhh
[19:19] <BUGabundo> not so crazy after all
[19:19] <BUGabundo> devel, devel-discuss, devel-announce also help
[19:19] <BUGabundo> and should be MANDATORY to those who try alpha/trunk
[19:20] <BUGabundo> subscribing to the wiki pages of technical notes and alpha release notes also helps
[19:20] <BUGabundo> and there's also the blueprints changes
[19:20] <BUGabundo> and of course the IRC and identica
[19:20] <Numbers> excellent cheers. Fortunately, only nvidia and python have given me jipp so far and ive sorted nvidia, so we're doing ok so far :)
[19:20] <BUGabundo> #u-devel, #u+1, #u-meettings, etc
[19:29] <CarlFK> did I hear there is a PPA that has the python stuff?
[19:30] <BUGabundo> pythoneers or something
[19:30] <BUGabundo> won't help much
[19:31] <BUGabundo> my fonts just changed
[19:31] <BUGabundo> stupid kdelibs
[19:33] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: what about oss? you haven't provided enough information...
[19:33] <BUGabundo> have to go
[19:33] <BUGabundo> humm
[19:33] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: right on mark
[19:33] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: welll
[19:33] <BUGabundo> since I have no audio via PA or ALSE
[19:33] <BUGabundo> *ALSA
[19:33] <BUGabundo> I went to try all other options
[19:33] <BUGabundo> choosing OSS outputs OK
[19:34] <BUGabundo> vlc, mplayer, sound testing
[19:34] <BUGabundo> everything
[19:34] <BUGabundo> but PA or ALSA NO
[19:34] <Numbers> poo, mythtv is borked
[19:34] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: on another note: could the alsa script be package and put on a PPA/archive?
[19:34] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: i thought you tested with ogg123/paplay/speaker-test yesterday
[19:34] <BUGabundo> that way we would always have the most recent version installed
[19:35] <BUGabundo> aplay worked before your PPA, after upgrade didn't
[19:35] <BUGabundo> ogg123 didn't work
[19:35] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: no, it has not been audited yet, so it needs to remain a user choice to download from an upstream web site
[19:36] <BUGabundo> ok
[19:36] <BUGabundo> np
[19:36] <BUGabundo> glad someone else thought about that too
[19:36] <BUGabundo> and the audio?
[19:36] <BUGabundo> what do you think I can do to have PA or ALSA working?
[19:36] <Numbers> know anything about myth not working BUGabundo?
[19:36] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: did you do: 1? sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 2? rm ~/.pulse*
[19:37] <BUGabundo> not 1)
[19:37] <BUGabundo> but 2) yes
[19:37] <BUGabundo> Invalid card number.
[19:38] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/125435/
[19:41] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=ede25d873045df12c938b10478d25612e27a05f4
[19:42] <skyjumper> has pulseaudio been weird for anyone else lately?
[19:42] <billybigrigger> hahaha
[19:42] <billybigrigger> always
[19:42] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: what's the output from: groups |grep audio>/dev/null 2>&1;echo $?
[19:42] <skyjumper> it's been randomly crashing and maxing out cpu regardless of the 'tsched' setting
[19:42] <billybigrigger> PA is junk in my books, i've never been able to use it, always ALSA for me
[19:42] <dtchen_> skyjumper: yes, we're working on it.
[19:42] <skyjumper> heh it's a great idea, just lacks quality control
[19:42] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: empty?
[19:43] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: err, it should return 0 or 1
[19:43] <BUGabundo> nop
[19:43] <billybigrigger> groups |grep audio>/dev/null 2>&1;echo $   <----returns $ for me
[19:43] <dtchen_> skyjumper: that's why we're working on it. what details can you give me
[19:43] <BUGabundo> $ groups | pastebinit -i -
[19:43] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/125441/
[19:44] <skyjumper> dtchen_: what details do you need?
[19:44] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: the trailing '?' is vital
[19:44] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: yeah $
[19:44] <BUGabundo> dih
[19:44] <BUGabundo> duh
[19:44] <billybigrigger> nothin
[19:44] <BUGabundo> dtchen_:  get into a shell
[19:44] <BUGabundo> >
[19:44] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: huh? groups |grep audio>/dev/null 2>&1;echo $?   <-- this entire string
[19:44] <billybigrigger> 1
[19:45] <BUGabundo> 1
[19:45] <dtchen_> right, you'lle get 1 because your user is not in the audio group
[19:45] <BUGabundo> yes
[19:45] <BUGabundo> news around (maco, pitti) all say we don't need to
[19:45] <dtchen_> correct
[19:45] <dtchen_> but, that's *only* for pulseaudio, which uses policykit
[19:46] <BUGabundo> do you think that since I have BOTH gnome and kde it messs the system?
[19:46] <dtchen_> if you intend to use alsa solely, your user must be in the audio group
[19:46] <BUGabundo> since KDE uses phono and not PA?
[19:46] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: I want PA
[19:46] <BUGabundo> I want to go as Ubuntu guidelines go...
[19:46] <BUGabundo> but no audio
[19:46] <dtchen_> Phonon will choose ALSA as a higher priority than a fallback to PulseAudio
[19:47] <dtchen_> so if you intend to switch between GNOME and KDE, you need to add your user to the audio group, log out, and back in
[19:47] <BUGabundo> any more tips and tricks?
[19:47] <BUGabundo> I don't do it that offten
[19:47] <BUGabundo> and I use Gnome as primary
[19:47] <BUGabundo> sound on one WM is better then no sound at all
[19:47] <BUGabundo> (unless using OSS)
[19:48] <BUGabundo> good old OSS, still works
[19:48] <BUGabundo> lol
[19:48] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: alsa-info.sh, without autospawn enabled, will use alsa-lib directly, which requires your user to be in @audio
[19:49] <BUGabundo> want me to test that now?
[19:49] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: yes
[19:49] <BUGabundo> I'm late for dinner
[19:49] <BUGabundo> but ok
[19:49] <BUGabundo> you now have some free time
[19:50] <BUGabundo> don't know when I am going to get you again
[19:50] <BUGabundo> lol
[19:50] <BUGabundo> do you need to logout/login after adding to group?
[19:50] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: yes
[19:50] <BUGabundo> mnemo: what's up?
[19:50] <BUGabundo> user in group
[19:51] <BUGabundo> now, where do I kill autospawn?
[19:51] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: ^^^
[19:54] <BUGabundo> anybody else knows????????
[19:54] <BUGabundo> I'm kinda in an hurry here
[19:54] <dtchen_> skyjumper: run alsa-info.sh. i also need pulseaudio -vvv. i also need grep -E 'module-alsa-sink.c(.)*increasing' /var/log/messages
[19:54] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: my connection is extremely lagged
[19:54] <BUGabundo> it would seem
[19:54] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: edit /etc/pulse/client.conf and comment out the autospawn line
[19:55] <dtchen_> (or change it to autospawn = no)
[19:55] <BUGabundo> yep
[19:55] <BUGabundo> done
[19:55] <BUGabundo> brb
[19:57] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=51695aede3a696cdd620355db1be9e959ad14c46
[19:59] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: killall pulseaudio ; speaker-test -c2
[19:59] <dtchen_> skyjumper: let me know when you've got that info pastebinned
[19:59] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/125449/
[20:00] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: ^^^^^
[20:01] <BUGabundo> humm
[20:01] <BUGabundo> now it works?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> maybe I was to fast for it
[20:01] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: is that *after* you killed pulseaudio?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> yeah
[20:01] <BUGabundo> but running again works
[20:01] <dtchen_> no, the pastebin
[20:01] <BUGabundo> I hear silence! (background noise)
[20:02] <dtchen_> does speaker-test -c2 give you inaudible or audible sound?
[20:02] <skyjumper> dtchen_: http://pastebin.com/m1e45a8c0
[20:02] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/125450/
[20:03] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: I just here "noise"
[20:03] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: does it switch between your left and right speakers?
[20:03] <BUGabundo> swichting from left to right
[20:03] <dtchen_> good
[20:03] <BUGabundo> YES
[20:03] <BUGabundo> actaully increment
[20:03] <skyjumper> dtchen_: also worth noting that PA usually works. the crashes and 100% cpu are random
[20:03] <dtchen_> yes, that's intentional
[20:03] <BUGabundo> this is, left never stops
[20:04] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: right, you can interrupt it (ctrl+c)
[20:04] <BUGabundo> did
[20:04] <dtchen_> so alsa works just fine for you
[20:04] <thehook> dtchen_: mine is switching from front left to front left :P
[20:04] <dtchen_> thehook: with or without pulseaudio running?
[20:05] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: let me try mplayer -ao ALSA
[20:06] <BUGabundo> AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
[20:06] <dtchen_> skyjumper: apt-cache policy pulseaudio|grep Installed
[20:06] <BUGabundo> got audio working
[20:06] <BUGabundo> THANKS
[20:06] <BUGabundo> now, PA?
[20:06] <skyjumper> dtchen_: Installed: 0.9.14-0ubuntu9
[20:06] <dtchen_> skyjumper: that's outdated
[20:07] <dtchen_> skyjumper: please reproduce the symptoms with -0ubuntu10
[20:07] <skyjumper> i may have installed intrepid's pulseaudio to try and fix it
[20:07] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.9.14-0ubuntu10
[20:07] <dtchen_> skyjumper: i'm not fixing intrepid's pulseaudio, and no development occurs on intrepid's version
[20:07] <thehook> dtchen_: sorry, it works now :) but my headphone jack is not working..i know this was a issue on this kind of laptop (acer aspire 5930g) in intrepid
[20:07] <skyjumper> obviously
[20:07] <thehook> brb
[20:08] <dtchen_> thehook: provide your alsa-info.sh if you haven't already
[20:08] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: anything else?
[20:08] <BUGabundo> or am I free to go?
[20:08] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: find me when you have time
[20:08] <dtchen_> we can continue the PA saga
[20:08] <BUGabundo> maybe tomorrow you get PA working
[20:08] <BUGabundo> yeah
[20:08] <BUGabundo> thanks for the time and pacience
[20:09] <BUGabundo> do you have PA working on your system?
[20:09] <dtchen_> aside from the initial buffer glitches with GNOME login, yes
[20:09] <BUGabundo> lucky
[20:09] <BUGabundo> bye everyone
[20:09] <BUGabundo> late for dinner
[20:10] <dtchen_> skyjumper: the grep -E command i gave you won't be helpful to me unless you dist-upgrade and run pa 0.9.14-0ubuntu10
[20:10] <bardyr> bug: 1337
[20:11] <dtchen_> skyjumper: i've tuned the delay routines in that current version, which is why that version, and not others, is useful
[20:15] <skyjumper> dtchen_: running 0.9.14-0ubuntu10 now, seeing brief choppiness when starting playback
[20:15] <skyjumper> or hearing it rather
[20:16] <|Alexia_Death|> Is pulseaudio stutter known problem?
[20:16] <skyjumper> dtchen_: Mar  2 15:14:46 blackpearl pulseaudio[8251]: module-alsa-sink.c: Increasing wakeup watermark to 5.99 ms
[20:17] <starcannon> Is there a gui for toggling don't zap in jaunty? or is it going to require hand editing the xorg.conf file?
[20:20] <|Alexia_Death|> dtchen_: whats your relation to the bugs in pulseaudio? Can I help debug.
[20:21] <|Alexia_Death|> dtchen_: at first the playback started chopy, now its choppy al over tho getting  les If I let it play longer.
[20:25] <dtchen_> skyjumper: yes, the initial audio aberrations is a known issue.
[20:25] <dtchen_> ^ Alexia_Death
[20:25] <dtchen_> what's happening is that the watermark and buffer sizes have to be adjusted from their initial values, which are set very, very small/low
[20:26] <dtchen_> PulseAudio makes certain assumptions regarding the system HZ setting
[20:27] <dtchen_> Ubuntu's kernel config also does not have PREEMPT enabled. Both of these things (though the latter is the more important) adversely affect audio performance using PulseAudio.
[20:28] <skyjumper> why did these problems appear recently?
[20:28] <dtchen_> starcannon: AFAIK, Kubuntu has a GUI option
[20:28] <Alexia_Death> dtchen_: any way I could configure it to use decent buffers?
[20:28] <dtchen_> skyjumper: they appeared several revisions ago; i've been tuning them while glitch-free is disabled
[20:29] <dtchen_> skyjumper: we're now at the point where the most important issue should be resolved, namely the daemon crashing nondeterministically due to snd_pcm_avail_update() not handling bogus data from -kernel and -lib correctly
[20:29] <dtchen_> skyjumper: thus, my next item for PulseAudio is addressing the audio aberrations
[20:30] <starcannon> dtchen thanks for the info, I'm a bit baffeled as to how one would accidentally press ctrl-alt-backspace, but am gratified to know that there will be a gui method of restoring it if the need arises(I use gnome and hope it will have a gui for this as well)
[20:30] <dtchen_> (yes, the latest upload this morning reenabled glitch-free, which is why you hear the anomalies during login)
[20:30] <dtchen_> starcannon: AFAIK, there's only going to be the command-line option using the dontzap program
[20:30] <dtchen_> [for Ubuntu]
[20:31] <dtchen_> Alexia_Death: depends which approach you wish to take
[20:31] <dtchen_> Alexia_Death: the best method is to convince the rest of the kernel team to reenable PREEMPT
[20:31] <Alexia_Death> dtchen_: I can do anything execept rebuilding my kernel. cant be aased eith that.
[20:32] <Alexia_Death> Why was it disabled anyway?
[20:32] <starcannon> ughh, I have a few home users I take care of, guess I'm gonna have to make my rounds and be sure to turn it back on for those rare instances when it is needed
[20:32] <dtchen_> Alexia_Death: i suppose it was thought that it was not a standard desktop configuration
[20:33] <Alexia_Death> dtchen_: O_o
[20:33] <dtchen_> Alexia_Death: you can also adjust tsched_buffer_size and tsched_buffer_watermark for module-alsa-* in /etc/pulse/default.pa
[20:33] <Alexia_Death> Ok.
[20:33] <Alexia_Death> what are reasonable sizes?
[20:34] <dtchen_> Alexia_Death: you can also edit src/modules/modules-alsa-s{ink,ource}.c and recompile PA
[20:34] <dtchen_> Alexia_Death: there are no globally reasonable sizes
[20:34] <Alexia_Death> whats a sensible formula?
[20:34] <dtchen_> Alexia_Death: it's *extremely* hardware- and usage-dependent
[20:34] <Alexia_Death> I have plenty of ram.
[20:34] <dtchen_> Alexia_Death: it's your sound card, not your RAM
[20:35] <dtchen_> Alexia_Death: you need to look at: grep -E 'module-alsa-sink.c(.)*increasing' /var/log/messages
[20:36] <Alexia_Death> dtchen_: nothing
[20:38] <dtchen_> Alexia_Death: are you using the latest pulseaudio upload (0.9.14-0ubuntu10)?
[20:38] <Alexia_Death> just did dist-upgrade
[20:38] <Alexia_Death> Ill check tho
[20:38] <Alexia_Death> local mirors are behind sometimes
[20:45] <|Alexia_Death|> dtchen_: ii  pulseaudio                                   0.9.14-0ubuntu10                             PulseAudio sound server
[20:48] <thehook> dtchen_: where do i find the alsa-info.sh?
[20:49] <mefisto__> www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[20:54] <thehook> !jaunty
[20:54] <thehook> !beta
[20:55] <thehook> !845
[20:55] <thehook> !intel845
[20:56] <dtchen_> |Alexia_Death|: have you modified /etc/pulse/default.pa?
[20:57] <|Alexia_Death|> dtchen_: Yes. Ive enabled bt detection
[20:57] <thehook> !topic
[20:58] <|Alexia_Death|> Ive also modified default conf to not make pulseaudio die..
[20:58] <|Alexia_Death|> dtchen_: I should do reconfigure?
[20:58] <|Alexia_Death|> to make pulseaudio not die*
[21:02] <skyjumper> does anyone with restricted nvidia driver get a blank screen when toggling from X to a text console?
[21:03] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: around?
[21:03] <BUGabundo> back for deserts
[21:03] <dtchen_> BUGabundo: yes, but i'm adjusting my TODO based on kernel-team feedback
[21:04] <dtchen_> apparently, PREEMPT will *not* be enabled for jaunty -generic
[21:04] <dtchen_> which means glitch-free needs to be disabled for PA
[21:04] <dtchen_> which means i need to fix PA to not segfault when glitch-free is not used
[21:05] <BUGabundo> np
[21:05] <dtchen_> uwhat a life.
[21:05] <BUGabundo> eeheh
[21:06] <thehook> skyjumper: using ctrl+alt+f1-6 you mean? no problem here..
[21:07] <skyjumper> thehook: right, i get no text
[21:07] <skyjumper> there's an unresolved bug in launchpad about it
[21:08] <thehook> the screen flashed a couple of time and got back to gui the first time i did it, but i think i hit a wrong key :P cause when i hit ctrl+alt+f1 i get console with text )
[21:08] <|Alexia_Death|> thehook: I have to do it twice too
[21:09] <|Alexia_Death|> thehook: theres a bug somewhere
[21:09] <IntuitiveNipple> thehook: There is a known issue with console-kit and the first Alt+F1/F6 flicking back to X
[21:09] <|Alexia_Death|> dtchen_: generic does not have preempt, but some other kernel does?
[21:09] <skyjumper> so nobody's heard of the blank console issue?
[21:09] <IntuitiveNipple> skyjumper: As you your earlier question, yes, I've been meaning to dig into that. It only started relatively recently
[21:09] <IntuitiveNipple> s/you/your/
[21:09] <thehook> skyjumper: does it work on the second / third try? or is it always blank?
[21:10] <BUGabundo> skyjumper: yes I heard! some bugs aboyut it
[21:10] <skyjumper> thehook: always
[21:10] <BUGabundo> on intel mainly
[21:10] <BUGabundo> and some nvidias
[21:10] <BUGabundo> not me, luckly
[21:10] <skyjumper> actually, the problem started during intrepid, i think
[21:11] <thehook> !i845
[21:11] <dtchen_> |Alexia_Death|: none do.
[21:12] <thehook> any news about the intel i845 it's a pain in the ass :P everytime i load X i get the picture (sometimes for a coupe of seconds)
[21:12] <thehook> and then the whole computer freeze
[21:12] <|Alexia_Death|> dtchen_: damn. Id have installed server image if that had...
[21:13] <thehook> what is preempt?
[21:24] <FFForever> dtchen_, u still around?
[21:24] <dtchen_> yes, but busy.
[21:25] <BUGabundo> just lost the volume indicator / notification
[21:25] <BUGabundo> I'm seeing the old one!
[21:25] <BUGabundo> anybody else?
[21:25] <FFForever> dtchen_, quick question, did u get the patch in for the kernel yet (for the 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)) so i can use the internal mic
[21:27] <dtchen_> FFForever: no, i've been busy with pulseaudio fixes
[21:27] <dtchen_> i don't have much time these days to do audio work; i basically sacrifice sleep
[21:28] <FFForever> ahhh =(, do u at least know if u will have time to have a fix in before the final release
[21:28] <FFForever> dtchen_, thanks for all your hard work on pa btw ur awesome =D
[21:28] <dtchen_> i don't know. $dayjob has higher priority ATM.
[21:28] <FFForever> i understand =)
[21:28] <FFForever> more like anything that gives u $ has an higher priority lol =P
[21:34] <thehook> can anyone please verify this? using dontzap --disable in commandline and trying to press ctrl+alt+backspace still dont work
[21:37] <BUGabundo> thehook: you need to end the session at least ONCE before it works
[21:37] <dtchen_> thehook: you have to log in again after making that change
[21:37] <thehook> ok :)
[21:40] <thehook> BUGabundo: dtchen_ : ok, i noticed :) its working now
[21:42] <thehook> but if any of you are running kde 4.2 please try the following: insert a usb-pen, open dolphin to make sure it is mounted, close dolphin again, sudo mount /dev/sdXn /mnt and then try to unomunt it using the "Last plugged in devices" widget..
[21:42] <thehook> this caused the whole kde 4.2 to freeze on my machine.. all the applications worked but none of the menus, panels or something..
[21:44] <thehook> anyone experienced something similar?
[22:11] <thehook> where should I start to look for for a solution to my headphone jack not working? and my microphone as well, plus the sd card reader.. i have an acer aspire 5930g
[22:21] <|Alexia_Death|> thehook: headphone/mic are most likely hardware muted If you have sound from speakers
[22:21] <|Alexia_Death|> sd reader is a different issue
[22:22] <thehook> |Alexia_Death|: so i should check bios then?
[22:24] <|Alexia_Death|> thehook: no. alsamixer -Dhw
[22:27] <thehook> |Alexia_Death|: i am checking there now, but shouldn't it cut the speakers when I plug in the headphone anyway?
[22:28] <|Alexia_Death|> some drivers are abit buggy about that.
[22:28] <|Alexia_Death|> Mine screws it up on mute
[22:31] <tuxmaniac> anyone on jaunty who can test bug 291075 ?
[22:33] <thehook> |Alexia_Death|: in alsamixer -Dhw (Capture) there is "front mic" that makes this really high pitch tone, and there is "mic boost" that is just noise, both was 0% default
[22:34] <thehook> + so its impossible then?
[22:38] <|Alexia_Death|> thehook: i cant think of anything else. its either a bug in the drver or they are physically da
[22:39] <|Alexia_Death|> faulty
[22:39] <thehook> what drivers is it then? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AcerAspire5930G
[22:39] <|Alexia_Death|> im yet to see a bios that controlls the sound
[22:40] <|Alexia_Death|> thehook: lsmod | grep snd
[22:40] <thehook> it seems that bug 258446 is about the sd card reader
[22:41] <thehook> |Alexia_Death|: http://paste.ubuntu.com/125502/
[22:42] <|Alexia_Death|> hda
[22:42] <|Alexia_Death|> i have the same sound
[22:43] <|Alexia_Death|> havent ued speakers in a while but wen i have it has always worked
[22:43] <|Alexia_Death|> mine is a compal clone
[23:03] <vbgunz> I had a big problem trying to suspend to ram. I pretty much got it solved with some greatly appreciated help from the devs over in jaunty channels. Anyone know how to associate a tap of the power button to suspend to ram *and* how when resuming guarentee the screen is locked?
[23:44] <vbgunz> anyone know how to associate the computers power button with "suspend to ram"?
[23:44] <vbgunz> I am trying to do it through powerdevil *but* I honestly don't think powerdevil works at all :/
[23:44] <vbgunz> I mean, is it a placeholder for future functionality perhaps?
[23:47] <vbgunz> where in KDE do I get to mess with the *real* power options and shortcuts etc?
[23:50] <vbgunz> anyone know what I have to do to launch "pm-suspend" without me actually having to say sudo?
[23:51] <bruce89> I assume pulseaudio blah-ubuntu10 is a backwards step
[23:51] <crdlb> that's what the power manager is for :)
[23:51] <vbgunz> crdlb: what power manager?
[23:51] <crdlb> powerdevil, I guess?
[23:52] <vbgunz> crdlb: that thing doesn't work at all. not at all intuitive and doesn't do a dime of what I ask for... it has to be broken 100% and I am convinced it is only for systems with *batteries* else it dies. point being no matter what I try with powerdevil. its for nothing :(
[23:53] <vbgunz> do I need to be in a group in order to say pm-suspend without being sudo?
[23:53] <crdlb> gnome-power-manager works well here
[23:53] <vbgunz> what group?
[23:53] <crdlb> though admittedly I haven't really played with it without a battery
[23:56] <DanaG> odd.. just noticed the PA "null" output.
[23:56] <vbgunz> I went through hell to get suspend to ram working. now, I'd simply like to associate my box powerbutton with it and when it resumes, it resumes locked. this is going to be another week in hell huh?
[23:56] <vbgunz> heh
[23:57]  * DanaG wonders what's new in ALSA whatever.19
[23:57] <DanaG> (I don't remember the exact naming scheme._