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pavs	firefox 3.1 is still beta and they won't "officially" be release a new version in a couple of month. I tried the latest minefield it fast as hell.	00:02
BUGabundo	alex_mayorga1: already is	00:03
BUGabundo	andersk: minefield is 3.2 and its alpha	00:04
BUGabundo	shireoko is 3.1 and its beta3	00:04
alex_mayorga1	I'll add the daily here	00:04
BUGabundo	alex_mayorga1: behare! daily ppa is ONLY to track regressions	00:04
alex_mayorga1	I use the shiretoko nightlies on win	00:04
BUGabundo	and as the name states	00:04
BUGabundo	every day there's a new!	00:04
BUGabundo	not sure you need it, or want the BW	00:05
alex_mayorga1	BW?	00:05
BUGabundo	anyone else can use the mozila team PPA	00:05
BUGabundo	bandwith	00:05
alex_mayorga1	I don't really mind updating daily, but is there any place to report stuff? I usually hang in mozillazine forums	00:06
BUGabundo	for ubuntu related prob #ubuntu-mozilateam or ML	00:07
alex_mayorga1	but what's the "official" nightly build?	00:07
BUGabundo	ah?	00:09
Mooqy	so is jaunty really that unstable? i just put a fresh install of windows and id rather not have to format again in two mos	00:25
Mooqy	have to dual boot for work	00:26
Mooqy	that old excuse!	00:27
BUGabundo	Mooqy: sure its unstable	00:29
BUGabundo	but it should not break completely	00:29
BUGabundo	so you should be safe...	00:29
BUGabundo	if anything breaks, most of the time is fixabla	00:29
theholyduck	Mooqy, why would you have to format again in 2 months?	00:31
theholyduck	cant you just upgrade like everyone else does?	00:32
joshjtl	hi, my touchpads scroll bar isnt working... should i copy xorg.conf from intrepid over?	00:32
DanaG	nope, instead, stick it in a HAL fdi file.	00:33
DanaG	example: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/19-synaptics.fdi	00:33
DanaG	put it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy	00:33
DanaG	and edit to suit your taste.	00:33
joshjtl	DanaG: not me right?	00:33
DanaG	joshjtl: yes you. hal fdi file replaces touchpad config in xorg.conf.	00:34
joshjtl	oh oh ok thanks	00:34
joshjtl	hmm anyone know if DanaG meant take the /etc/hal/fdi/policy from Intrepid, and copy it over to Jaunty, or if DanaG meant copy xorg.conf from Intrepid and rename to policy, in /etc/hal/fdi/ ?	00:36
BUGabundo	don't copy nothing from ibex to jaunty	00:38
BUGabundo	xorg is NEW	00:39
joshjtl	BUGabundo: i need to fix the touchpad so that my scroll bar works	00:40
crdlb	joshjtl: he meant to use a file like the example he posted	00:40
joshjtl	oh duh crdlb.. i didnt read up	00:40
crdlb	joshjtl: is it enabled in mouse preferences?	00:40
crdlb	also, jaunty should allow you to do two-finger scroll, which is pretty cool	00:41
joshjtl	crdlb: yeah	00:41
BUGabundo	joshjtl: try multi touth	00:41
joshjtl	BUGabundo: what?	00:41
BUGabundo	use two fingers	00:41
BUGabundo	on the middle of the touthpad	00:41
joshjtl	BUGabundo: to scroll ?	00:42
bruce89	interesting	00:42
BUGabundo	y	00:42
bruce89	but pointless for me	00:42
joshjtl	BUGabundo: by just holding one finger down while moving the other? that doesnt work	00:42
BUGabundo	no no	00:43
crdlb	joshjtl: by moving both	00:43
BUGabundo	didn't you ever eard of multitoutch devices?	00:43
joshjtl	yes but i've never used it to scroll, only to zoom things	00:43
bruce89	I haven't	00:43
BUGabundo	bruce89: but can you ?	00:49
bruce89	I can scroll with the right-hand edge anyway	00:49
BUGabundo	I can with both	00:49
bruce89	as can I, is there anything else that can be done with multiple fingers?	00:50
BUGabundo	AFAIK firefox can do a few other things	00:51
bruce89	on the touchpad that is	00:51
BUGabundo	but I haven't manage to discover how	00:51
BUGabundo	LOLOLOLOL	00:51
usser	bruce89, right click is three-finger tap	00:51
* DanaG wishes Synaptics hadn't started cripping their damned touchpads IN FIRMWARE.		00:52
DanaG	Now my Synaptics is no better than an Alps -- my new laptop can't do any sort of multi-touch!	00:52
DanaG	... yet, even 5-year-old laptops CAN.	00:52
* bruce89 discovers tapping to right-bottom corner is button 3		01:00
bruce89	button 2, and right-top is 3	01:01
CarlFK	xserver-xorg-input-evtouch somehow depends on aspell?	01:04
rww	CarlFK: not that I can see. What's the output of "aptitude why aspell"?	01:08
BUGabundo	bed time	01:12
BUGabundo	see you guys tomorrow	01:12
CarlFK	rww: i xserver-xorg-input-evt Recommend zenity \| kdebase-bin \| xidalog ouch	01:12
* bruce89 directs people to http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-input-synaptics/tree/src/synaptics.c?id=8ee8aa5ec764c9c816fc95e0bfc5f4e2aee3ba0f#n406		01:13
bruce89	CarlFK: that's only a recommends	01:14
crdlb	CarlFK: O_o	01:14
CarlFK	apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evtouch ... The following extra packages will be installed: aspell http://dpaste.com/4353/	01:16
bruce89	apt installs recommends by default now	01:16
rww	CarlFK: Pass the --without-recommends switch to apt-get	01:18
bruce89	looking at the changelog, they used to be depends	01:18
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CarlFK	ev_calibrate say XLoadQueryFont: failed loading font 'freemono'	01:37
CarlFK	guessing there is some package that is spozed to have that font in it?	01:37
CarlFK	bruce89: thanks - I was wondering why "installs recommends" was a surprise	01:39
bruce89	I think those packages should be suggests, the Debian Policy manual says that recommends shouldn't be installed in only special cases	01:40
linkinx64_	any news with pulseaudio?	01:44
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maco	no new pulse yet	01:46
* billybigrigger is sick of looking at video cards		01:52
billybigrigger	how are ati's drivers as of late?	01:52
humbolt	network manager is picking up my vmnet devices. how to prevent it from doing that?	01:52
linkinx64_	just me or not many updates lately	01:52
humbolt	I don't want network manager to manage my vmware vmnet network interfaces!	01:53
billybigrigger	can't decide on a gfx card, might go with a ~$100 8800 or 9600 but am tempted to try out an ati card...	01:53
bruce89	linkinx64_: it's a weekend	01:56
billybigrigger	can anyone comment on the ati's driver status as of late?	01:57
billybigrigger	or should i stick with the tried and true nvidia cards?	01:57
linkinx64_	that\s what i thought bruce89	02:00
cwillu	!info openoffice.org	02:02
ubottu	openoffice.org (source: openoffice.org): OpenOffice.org Office suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.0.1-1ubuntu4 (jaunty), package size 4 kB, installed size 44 kB	02:02
CarlFK	how do I enable a serial mouse?	02:54
joshjtl	hi folks, I'm trying to fine tune the scroll area on my touchpad... the verticle scroll area is too big... how can I edit (i'm guession i would edit the file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/synaptics.fdi	03:03
CarlFK	joshjtl: man evdev (i think)	03:11
joshjtl	hmm don't see anything in there	03:15
CarlFK	rats -	03:18
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linkinx64_	yay!! pulseaudio updates	03:29
linkinx64_	lets see :D	03:29
linkinx64	nothing :(	03:33
musikgoat	troubleshooting jaunty on eee, only getting desktop background, tried restarting gdm, tried purging ubuntu-netbook-remix, any other suggestions?	03:53
musikgoat	i've got all updates, and dist-upgrade'ed (currently applying the upgrades, but its mostly ooo)	03:58
ryanprior	I think the "Preferred Applications" UI seriously needs to be changed. Does anybody feel like helping me draft a blueprint?	03:58
joshjtl	gtk2 theme and icon theme wont apply to shutdown/logout etc window	03:58
joshjtl	well more importantly	04:03
joshjtl	When I try to restart, after splash screen stops on an indefinite black screen.	04:04
musikgoat	any suggestions for clearing all user preferences for gnome, and "purging" it with clean user configs?	04:06
musikgoat	my issue happened when installing netbook remix, and purging that did not help	04:06
joshjtl	when I have to reboot manually	04:06
joshjtl	help	04:21
maco	musikgoat: delete your ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconf*	04:33
maco	musikgoat: possibly ~/.config as well...	04:33
maco	but some apps may store data in those so...	04:33
maco	be careful	04:33
CarlFK	this worth reporting: Mar 2 03:23:07 in-target: python-xml: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed	04:35
musikgoat	maco: thanks, i had come across that troubleshooting, it worked	04:38
maco	CarlFK: no	04:39
maco	python 2.6 transition is half-there	04:39
CarlFK	maco: figured.	04:39
maco	but ya know, i think python2.5 is still available	04:39
maco	well hrm...ok maybe report that that package should say Depends: python2.5	04:39
rww	The half that was blocking ubuntu-desktop got done :D	04:39
crdlb	maco: won't really accomplish anything if it's sitting all alone in /usr/lib/python2.5	04:40
crdlb	with every other python package in python2.6	04:40
crdlb	it just needs a rebuild	04:40
maco	crdlb: well the .py's probably need to be all updated to say /usr/bin/python2.5 all over the place	04:41
crdlb	eh?	04:41
maco	#!/usr/bin/python	04:41
maco	would need to change to #!/usr/bin/python2.5	04:41
maco	for the ones that need to be using 2.5	04:41
crdlb	nothing needs to use 2.5	04:41
maco	oh really?	04:41
crdlb	a simple rebuild will allow anything that works with 2.5 to work with 2.6	04:42
crdlb	at least ideally	04:42
maco	oh. i thought 2.6 had some of py3k's changes	04:42
CarlFK	2.6 will support 3.0 stuff	04:42
CarlFK	er	04:43
CarlFK	2.6 will support some 3.0 stuff	04:43
CarlFK	but is still backwards compatible	04:43
CarlFK	3.0 breaks backwards compat...	04:43
joshjtl	When I try to restart, after splash screen I get an indefinite black screen, where I have to ctrl+alt+delete to reboot	04:46
joshjtl	going to try shutting down instead of rebooting to see what happens	04:48
joshjtl	brb	04:48
sparr	what version of kde will [probably] be in jaunty?	05:23
crdlb	4.2?	05:24
linkinx64	4.2.3.1	05:25
sparr	i hope 4.x catches up to 3.x in functionality soon... the single biggest thing that could force me back to debian	05:25
les	4.2 is supposed to be ready to go	05:25
linkinx64	Got Sound!!!!!!!!!	05:36
linkinx64	L:D~	05:36
linkinx64	how to increase the size of the new notifications??	05:53
lamalex	Hi, my computer crashed while installing a package, and now apt is totally bruced. Can anyone help me with this? http://paste2.org/p/156679	06:09
Hobbsee	lamalex: remove the postinst file, and run dpkg --configure -a, perhaps. Looks like python-central is no longer installed?	06:13
lamalex	Hobbsee: aptitude says python-central is installed, where does the postinst live?	06:16
lamalex	/var/lib/dpkg/info/ ?	06:17
rww	lamalex: yes	06:17
lamalex	just the postinst? nothing else?	06:17
lamalex	rad, I think that fixed it. moved everything but the .list file	06:20
lamalex	thanks guys	06:21
teethdood	python is still broken for us all still?	06:40
alteregoa	mr. meowagi	06:57
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Alexia_Death	pulseaudio is busted.	07:06
Alexia_Death	alsa plug makes pulseaudio eat 100% cpu	07:06
coz_	is there any way to get the jaunty wallpaper tray fade for intrepid?	07:38
crdlb	coz_: tray?	07:41
coz_	crdlb, yeah I thought I read that the wallpaper fade is a tray applet I may be wrong	07:42
crdlb	if you just mean the way nautilus fades between wallpaper icons, upgrading isn't really a fantastic idea	07:42
coz_	ok	07:42
coz_	understood	07:42
coz_	I have tried every script and application to fade desktop wallpaper one to the other with absolutely no success	07:43
crdlb	there's no way to do it without nautilus doing it	07:43
crdlb	unless you don't let nautilus manage the desktop (but I don't actually know of another desktop manager that does it)	07:44
coz_	crdlb, ok definitly understood :)	07:44
Slartibartfast	Seems there is a fade in effect between splash and desktop view in Kubuntu ... But this does not work here. Anybody know how to get this working again?	07:57
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humbolt	is there any place, where one can vote on ubuntu design? the new GDM theme must go. It is embarrassing!	09:56
dns53	try the art team, you could comment on the wiki aswell	09:56
humbolt	black backgrounds are soooo outdated	09:59
ziroday	humbolt: there is brainstorm as well, that idea is already up there.	09:59
humbolt	who are we, a motercycle gang?	09:59
humbolt	Yes, I know the voting on art idea is up there. But not implemented as it seems.	10:00
ziroday	humbolt: well you are more then welcome to come up with a better login screen	10:00
dns53	it is an open group with a mailing list	10:00
humbolt	I have seen such beautiful design studies, but they were never picked.	10:00
ziroday	humbolt: then put them up as solutions to the brainstorm idea	10:01
humbolt	hope this is not released like that	10:01
ziroday	humbolt: and so far it is extremely likely that will be the final gdm screen	10:01
humbolt	oh god, oh god, NO	10:03
humbolt	the media will laugh about ubuntu!	10:03
humbolt	who favoured this screen?	10:03
ziroday	humbolt: its not like you are forced to use it, if you prefer an alternative then use it	10:03
humbolt	I sense influence from the top here	10:03
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humbolt	ziroday: Yes I am not forced to use it .... but think about Ubuntu's reputation.	10:04
humbolt	The Distro has always been cutting edge but the design always sucked!!!	10:04
humbolt	And now it is getting even worse!	10:04
dns53	so are you going to fix it by suggesting ideas or submitting artwork?	10:05
ziroday	humbolt: you are more then welcome to contribute something to the art team if you don't like the current direction. You can vote on brainstorm ideas, but just because you don't like it doesn't mean its going to change	10:05
ziroday	its not humbuntu	10:05
humbolt	sure sure	10:05
ziroday	and if by top you mean canonical then yes, they do decide the final artwork in ubuntu	10:06
humbolt	just trying to make you aware, that a perfect technical job can be totally blown by bad industrial design of a product.	10:06
humbolt	with top I mean mark shuttelworth	10:07
humbolt	to name it	10:07
humbolt	as the notification thingy is equally ugly	10:07
ziroday	humbolt: thankfully you are not forced to use that design, this being linux/ubuntu you can change what you want. Its your computer	10:07
humbolt	and that seems to come from him	10:07
humbolt	ziroday: don't tell me, what is not up for discussion here	10:07
humbolt	ziroday: I am talking about the impact on public opinion, not mine	10:08
humbolt	anyhow	10:08
ziroday	humbolt: as I said before, there is brainstorm and the ubuntu art team where you can submit alternatives :)	10:09
humbolt	I want to vote on alternatives	10:09
Infecto	hello	10:09
humbolt	Not submit one	10:09
ziroday	humbolt: well amazingly you can do that too on brainstorm	10:10
Infecto	some one is familiar with jaunty and browser problem, mean that any want to start :)	10:10
Infecto	and i dont se anything in logs	10:11
Infecto	just hanging and dont start	10:11
Infecto	firefox and opera	10:11
Infecto	and konqueror tooo	10:12
Infecto	and i have strange filing since 6.04 or earlier, cluser to release and more thinks dont work	10:14
Infecto	hmmm	10:16
Infecto	/tmp/.ICE-unix	10:16
Infecto	all browsers have problem with write to this directory	10:16
Infecto	there was 2 files i remove them and ... all goes ok	10:16
humbolt	ziroday: amazingly there are not designs to vote on to be found on brainstorm. just ideas about voting on designs.	10:22
ziroday	humbolt: then submit a design, or a design idea.	10:22
humbolt	design idea: not black	10:22
humbolt	Why is CFS so freaking slow?	10:33
urkki	Is USB-startup disc functioning normally for everyone? I'm not able to make a USB-stick, it gives me errror in the end, always	11:07
lemonade	I have the same issue and if I remember correct there is already bug report too	11:09
urkki	Ah, good to know I'm not alone	11:09
pavs	is it possible to "upgrade" a ibex install to the latest jaunty alpha release?	11:14
geser	pavs: yes, use "update-manager -d"	11:16
pavs	thanks :)	11:17
maxb	Why would debconf want to talk to gconf? I just got a couple of debconf GUI popups, accompanied by a "Failed to contact configuration server" error box	11:40
BUGabundo	guys	11:53
BUGabundo	where did the gconf entry for Update Notifier go???	11:53
BUGabundo	I don't see it!	11:53
BUGabundo	I'm getting worried	11:53
BUGabundo	btw guud morning	11:53
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* BUGabundo sets the alarm clock to HIGH: WAKE UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP		12:01
Moult	hey folks, i've just installed Jaunty, how do i 1) get into root (i don't know the password apparently) and 2) get a gui?	12:23
Moult	ok, apparently it just wants me to use sudo, fine.	12:35
Moult	how do i install a GUI on jaunty?	12:35
spiongraz	my soundcard has several outputs and pulseaudio always uses the wrong output, how can i tell pulseaudio which output it should use?	12:36
thehook	IntuitiveNipple: hi, are you here?	12:37
Moult	does jaunty come with a GUI when installed?	12:38
IntuitiveNipple	'afternoon thehook... did you make progress?	12:40
thehook	IntuitiveNipple: yes, i filed a bugreport as we spoke of yesterday, but i did not manage to subscribe you, the is no IntuitiveNipple on launchpad..	12:41
IntuitiveNipple	Moult: Well, that'd depend on how it was installed and from what source.	12:41
IntuitiveNipple	thehook: "intuitivenipple"	12:41
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: i installed as a vm	12:42
thehook	i tried.. and search for both intuitive and nipple but no matches	12:42
thehook	but heres the link :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/336460	12:42
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 336460 in ubuntu-meta "Keyboard layout selection not saved while CLI" [Undecided,New]	12:42
Ng	Moult: do you have the "ubuntu-desktop" package installed?	12:43
Moult	Ng: no idea, i'm new to ubuntu and apt-get	12:43
Ng	Moult: that pulls in all of the default GUI stuff	12:43
Ng	Moult: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop	12:43
IntuitiveNipple	thehook: https://edge.launchpad.net/~intuitivenipple :)	12:43
thehook	how do I change keyboard layout in minimal install btw? im a bit spoiled and only used to setxkbmap..	12:44
thehook	ok I'll try again	12:44
IntuitiveNipple	thehook: change it for the terminals?	12:44
Moult	Ng: error	12:44
Moult	Ng: some packages could not be installed, could be because...	12:44
thehook	IntuitiveNipple: aah, there it worked.. but yes for the terminal	12:44
Moult	Ng: depends on gnome-app-install	12:45
thehook	+ and everything else	12:45
Ng	Moult: g-a-i should be installable fine at the moment	12:45
IntuitiveNipple	Moult: Jaunty is in development currently; it isn't really suitable for novices yet.	12:45
Moult	Ng: Depends: gnome-app-install but it is not going to be installed	12:45
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: i'm not a linux novice, if that's what you're asking, i'm just new to ubuntu. The main reason i'm using it is to test the latest kernel to see if it has support for a driver, because i can't get it working on my distro.	12:46
IntuitiveNipple	Moult: Did you install from the -server or -alternate disk images?	12:46
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: alternate disk images	12:46
IntuitiveNipple	Moult: that explains it :)	12:46
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: right. should i have chosen server?	12:46
IntuitiveNipple	Moult: What's the driver you're chasing?	12:47
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: what's the difference between them? (I didn't read in detail :P)	12:47
IntuitiveNipple	Moult: No, I was just trying to figure out which installer source you'd used since the live-CD installs the GUI :)	12:47
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: for webcam, should be inbuilt for USV support, but apparently though it now recognises the webcam it..."doesn't work", a bit hard to go into detail here :)	12:48
IntuitiveNipple	Moult: Alternate is for avoiding problems with a GUI install or making more customisations	12:48
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: right. where'd I find the ISO i'm looking for?	12:48
IntuitiveNipple	Moult: Server is for, well, servers - no GUI component, kernel tuned for ... servers :)	12:48
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: right. what am I looking for?	12:48
IntuitiveNipple	Moult: Which camera is it? Do you have the PCI Vendor:Device ID?	12:48
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 064e:a103 Suyin Corp.	12:49
Moult	:)	12:49
IntuitiveNipple	hang on, I'll search now	12:49
IntuitiveNipple	I can't find that ID in the modules maps; But if it is a UVC device it may match on other characteristics	12:51
* Moult cannot find the link to the Jaunty ISO download again		12:52
IntuitiveNipple	The cdimage servers are so slow I can't find it yet either	12:52
IntuitiveNipple	finally: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/	12:52
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: out of curiosity, is there actually a way to find that link via the front page?	12:53
IntuitiveNipple	Moult: I don't think so since it's for developers	12:55
thehook	where is the keymap files located in ubuntu?	12:56
IntuitiveNipple	"man loadkeys"	12:58
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: right. downloading the desktop cd now	12:58
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: that should fix things up :)	12:58
IntuitiveNipple	Moult: Is the camera supposed to be UVC compliant?	13:01
thehook	IntuitiveNipple: i have, but i cant find the path, tried searching with locate as well, and google but all google say is that slackware has it in /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/ but that does not exist in ubuntu	13:01
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: yes	13:02
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: (built in btw)	13:02
Moult	IntuitiveNipple: at least that's what my google searches and lsusb -v messages show :)	13:02
IntuitiveNipple	thehook: Hmm, bug in documentation there then. Please report the bug :) (in package kbd)	13:03
IntuitiveNipple	thehook: "dpkg-query -L kbd" suggests /etc/kbd/	13:03
* Moult brbs to do a math question :)		13:04
thehook	IntuitiveNipple: i can not remember what the exact name of my layout is either.. only config and remap in /etc/kbd/	13:08
thehook	IntuitiveNipple: there must be more character maps than just us right? or is there another package maybe?	13:09
IntuitiveNipple	thehook: Did you solve the keyboard issue? I was just looking at "/etc/default/console-setup" which is generated, I think, from the console-setup package	13:37
thehook	IntuitiveNipple: nope, still no progress..	13:38
IntuitiveNipple	thehook: Try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup"	13:47
thehook	IntuitiveNipple: everything seems right there, and after just clicking through it now works :)	13:50
IntuitiveNipple	hmmm	13:51
thehook	I just used the defaulted values	13:51
thehook	IntuitiveNipple: now that i remember, the cli was changed a bit also graphically.. i remember the defaulted value when asked "detect keyboard map" was no, i remember this because i never understood why it's preferred to type 50 characters instead of selecting the keyboard from a list..	14:00
thehook	its always been yes before	14:00
RomD	is it normal that jaunty's multi monitor support is completely broken at this point?	14:02
IntuitiveNipple	Multi-monitor is working fine (for me). Try being a bit more specific about your particular configuration	14:08
RomD	well, if I start an app from the menu or click a 2#	14:09
RomD	"places" shortcut the app/nautilus always opens on the main monitor	14:09
RomD	hardy worked fine, but intrepid already had the problems with the places shortcuts opening on the wrong screen	14:10
RomD	I'm using separated x screens	14:10
IntuitiveNipple	Are you using twinview or multiple X screens?	14:11
RomD	and when I move the mouse cursor from the side monitors to the main one, there is a copy of the cursor left on the edge of the screen	14:11
IntuitiveNipple	ok... same here, and I noticed that too... Thought it was just me imagining it though :)	14:11
RomD	separated x screens	14:11
IntuitiveNipple	RomD: Yes, I reported that too... are you using nvidia video driver?	14:11
RomD	yep	14:11
RomD	used the 180	14:11
IntuitiveNipple	the duplicate mouse cursor is a problem with the nvidia driver so far as I can determine.	14:12
RomD	well it works fine in hardy	14:12
IntuitiveNipple	Looks like Nvidia have major issues with the 180.xx series so far.	14:12
RomD	except having a weird bug in the menu on my third screen	14:12
IntuitiveNipple	Maybe; but Hardy has a different X server	14:12
RomD	but otherwise the 180 driver works fine in hardy	14:12
RomD	you don't have the application starting on wrong monitor problem?	14:13
RomD	of course I could use DISPLAY=:0.1 in the terminal everytime	14:14
RomD	but it's annoying	14:14
IntuitiveNipple	Yes, I have been getting that. What is strange is some will start on the correct X screen and others won't unless the shortcut is prefixed with the DISPLAY=	14:16
RomD	I really hope they take care of that. multi montitor is really poor in linux compared to windows	14:19
theholyduck	it was way better in the days of xinerama	14:19
theholyduck	sure you had to hard conf your xorg	14:19
theholyduck	but it WORKED	14:19
RomD	I tried twinview and xinerama, but both caused problems	14:19
RomD	xinerama causes those ugly redraws and doesn't work with compiz	14:20
RomD	are you using intrepid IntuitiveNipple ?	14:21
IntuitiveNipple	Jaunty	14:21
RomD	did you have problems with the places shortcuts in intrepid?	14:22
RomD	with them opening on the main screen	14:22
RomD	instead of the one you clicked the menu entry on	14:22
theholyduck	RomD, compiz is annoying though :P	14:23
theholyduck	and yeah xinerama doesnt have direct rendering	14:23
theholyduck	by design	14:23
theholyduck	but i dont need it so i dont mind	14:23
RomD	theholyduck, wobbly windows :P	14:23
RomD	and other things	14:23
IntuitiveNipple	I haven't used Intrepid.	14:23
RomD	whenever I work on systems without wobbly windows, everything seems so rigid and undynamic	14:24
RomD	you really get used to it	14:25
RomD	it may be unnecessary eyecandy, but it's just more fun to work with	14:25
theholyduck	RomD, :P	14:26
theholyduck	i always use some minimalistic wm anyway	14:26
theholyduck	without desktop envs	14:26
theholyduck	wobbly make me sick	14:26
theholyduck	i like mey rigid windows with thin bars	14:26
ubuntu_	hi,I have a question...	14:37
ubuntu_	my jaunty boot error!	14:37
ubuntu_	maybe the fstab is incorrected...	14:38
ubuntu_	or because of my ext4 file system?...	14:38
ubuntu_	or my bad apt source?	14:38
ubuntu_	Is there someone can help me?	14:39
ubuntu_	nick laputa	14:40
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billybigrigger	well whats the problem/error?	14:40
laputa	as you know ,in fstab there is relatime,error=ro	14:41
billybigrigger	yes	14:41
laputa	and my system is readonly	14:41
billybigrigger	ok	14:41
laputa	so it must be error!	14:41
billybigrigger	well change it	14:41
billybigrigger	this is on your / partition?	14:41
laputa	I have five partitions.	14:42
billybigrigger	oh	14:42
billybigrigger	sorry	14:42
billybigrigger	haha, i just woke up, havent even gotten my first cup of coffee	14:42
billybigrigger	your drive is being mounted readonly, leading you to believe there's an error	14:42
laputa	but I will sleep later,hahaha...	14:42
laputa	my boot is ext2.	14:43
laputa	my root is ext4	14:43
billybigrigger	which drive has the ro flag?	14:43
laputa	the root partition	14:43
laputa	and the other partition is not mounted as expected.	14:43
billybigrigger	k	14:44
billybigrigger	check out /var/log/fsck/checkroot	14:44
billybigrigger	any errors there?	14:44
laputa	let me see...	14:44
drostie	Is there a reason why the default Kubuntu Network management in jaunty doesn't do 802.1x?	14:44
billybigrigger	im just going out on a limb trying to help you, i've never had this before	14:44
billybigrigger	but that looks to be about the best place to start looking	14:44
billybigrigger	laputa, my checkroot says the last check was clean so i imagine it would through you an error to that log	14:45
laputa	it say:/dev/sda5:clean, 12131/655360 files, 202264/2620595 blocks	14:48
laputa	it seems like ok....en?	14:49
billybigrigger	but is sda5 your /?	14:49
laputa	yes...	14:49
IntuitiveNipple	RomD: you might want to add your confirmation to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bug/336721	14:49
laputa	my sda1 is /boot	14:49
laputa	and sda2 is extended partition	14:49
laputa	sda5 is root	14:49
laputa	sda6 is /usr	14:50
RomD	Lost something?	14:50
RomD	There’s no page with this address in Launchpad.	14:50
RomD	:p	14:50
IntuitiveNipple	RomD: oh me and my manual editing of URLs1	14:50
IntuitiveNipple	RomD: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/336721	14:50
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 336721 in xorg-server "Multiple X screens launch apps on screen 0" [Undecided,New]	14:50
\|max\|	Hello, I have a problem where vista overrode my MBR. Genetally, I deal with this by using super grub disc to restore grub on the mbr, but it is not working this time, as it cannot find /boot/grub/stage1 nor /boot/grub/menu.lst \| I have 3 partitions, 1st is ext2/unutu, 2nd is vista 3rd is swap for linux	14:51
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laputa	sda7 is /home, sda8 is swap and sda9 is /var. so, billybigrigger, are you use jaunty?	14:51
billybigrigger	laputa, yes im on jaunty	14:52
Starcraftmazter	I checked whether those files are there or not using a livecd, and they are	14:52
RomD	I have an account, but haven't really worked with launchpad. do I just post a comment to confirm?	14:52
billybigrigger	laputa, how much space is left on your disk?	14:52
drostie	\|max\|: in the grub prompt, type "find /boot/grub/menu.lst" to figure out what partition grub is looking for.	14:52
Starcraftmazter	drostie: the result is "File not found"	14:53
drostie	Do you have a separate boot partition? o_O	14:54
laputa	root used 7%,home used 96%, /usr used 38%	14:54
Starcraftmazter	I do not	14:54
Starcraftmazter	I use my main linux partition as a boot partition	14:54
laputa	space is enough...	14:54
billybigrigger	laputa, and your / is ext4, did you do a fresh ext4 install?	14:55
RomD	IntuitiveNipple, do I just have to post a comment or is there something else to do?	14:56
drostie	So, find /grub/menu.lst also doesn't work?	14:56
IntuitiveNipple	RomD: A comment would be good, then I can mark the bug Confirmed	14:56
laputa	yes. I installed with alpah4.	14:56
laputa	alpha4.	14:56
Starcraftmazter	drostie: It does not	14:56
Riesh	Mmm Seems aMsn is also not working anymore ...... ...can't connect	14:56
drostie	Starcraftmazter: that's weird, dude. It suggests that grub can't see your ext2 partition in the first place, if you know that the file exists. Could you try putting a file directly in the root folder of that drive, and trying to find it from the grub prompt?	14:57
laputa	billybigrigger,I want to know what's relatime.	14:57
drostie	Also, are you sure that the grub prompt is running as root?	14:58
laputa	are your fstab has relatime setting,too?	14:58
Starcraftmazter	drostie: I already have some files there, let me check. I am sure it detects the drive though, if i go to manual boot, it lists it as an ext2 partition	14:58
drostie	laputa: access times get updated relatively.	14:58
RomD	done IntuitiveNipple	14:58
billybigrigger	laputa, yes, both my machines have the relatime option set	14:59
Starcraftmazter	drostie: i checked to see if it can "find /file", and it cant. But is it supposed to be able to find files in 'any random ext2 partition' ?	14:59
Starcraftmazter	where file exists	15:00
billybigrigger	laputa, so your root gets mounted read only, but are you able to boot into it?	15:00
billybigrigger	laputa, or what errors are you getting?	15:00
Starcraftmazter	drostie: as for it running as root, im not aware of super grub disc having such setting	15:00
Starcraftmazter	so i assume yes, i guess	15:00
drostie	Starcraftmazter: oh; I was thinking of running grub in a Linux console. I have no idea what super grub disk acts like.	15:01
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Starcraftmazter	drostie: is it possible to restore the grub on mbr from a livecd?	15:02
drostie	sure, in principle.	15:02
Starcraftmazter	is it...easy? :P	15:02
drostie	find /boot/grub/menu.lst tells you a partition name, e.g. (hd1,2) or so. Then you need to find a partition on the drive you want to install to: e.g. (hd2,3). Then the command [setup --prefix=/boot/grub (hd2) (hd1,2)] will install into the MBR of hd2.	15:04
Starcraftmazter	ok, thanks drostie, i will try that	15:05
laputa	billybigrigger: I can boot half.	15:05
laputa	only root mode.	15:05
laputa	and the other partitions are not mounted. why?	15:06
laputa	billybigrigger:wait for my reboot...	15:06
billybigrigger	yes sir	15:07
Starcraftmazter	hey thanks drostie, that worked 8)	15:10
amoblin	billybigrigger:hello,I come back now!	15:12
drostie	^_^	15:12
amoblin	billybigrigger:my last error is: Clocksource tsc unstable(delta=-456155318ns)	15:13
amoblin	billybigrigger:I'm ubuntu_, the one who has a boot problem...	15:13
billybigrigger	ahh	15:14
amoblin	bash: groups: command not found	15:14
amoblin	bash: dircolors: command not found	15:14
amoblin	root@(none):~# [ 4.688081] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -456155318 ns)	15:15
amoblin	help me!	15:15
billybigrigger	well did this just happen out of the blue?	15:16
billybigrigger	after recent updates?	15:16
billybigrigger	where you playing around with a new kernel?	15:16
amoblin	my kernel is 2.6.28-7	15:16
billybigrigger	maybe update to 2.6.28-8	15:17
billybigrigger	or pastebin your dmesg	15:17
amoblin	I want to ,but I cannot boot to the system... pastebin dmesg? what's mean?	15:18
billybigrigger	so everyone can give you a hand...if never seen an error like that, and i am by no means a linux/kernel guru	15:18
billybigrigger	your /var/log/dmesg	15:18
billybigrigger	copy it to pastebin.com	15:18
billybigrigger	or pastebin.ubuntu.com	15:19
billybigrigger	k, you cant boot the system, did you run fsck?	15:19
amoblin	just finished!	15:20
billybigrigger	and...	15:20
amoblin	and so?	15:20
amoblin	what?	15:20
billybigrigger	everything checked out ok?	15:20
amoblin	there is only a warning,besides, a cofirm to continue.	15:22
billybigrigger	amoblin, ok, after your clocksource tsc unstable error, what is the next line?	15:22
amoblin	that is the last line.	15:22
amoblin	that's all under single mode.and when under normal mode, it says:	15:24
amoblin	init: Unable to execute "/usr/sbin/kernel-helper" for last-good-boot:No such file or directory.	15:24
amoblin	init: last-good-boot main proces(1323) terminated with status 255	15:25
amoblin	the end	15:25
billybigrigger	ok	15:27
billybigrigger	type this cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource	15:27
billybigrigger	see what others are available	15:27
billybigrigger	then add this parameter to your kernel when booting....clocksource=whateverclocksource	15:28
billybigrigger	should be something like hpet or acpi_pm	15:29
billybigrigger	so try booting with clocksource=hpet	15:29
amoblin	acpi_pm jiffies tsc	15:30
billybigrigger	k	15:30
amoblin	that is it	15:30
billybigrigger	clocksource=acpi_pm	15:30
billybigrigger	give that a try	15:30
amoblin	it seems not works.	15:33
billybigrigger	did you pass that parameter to your kernel at boot?	15:33
amoblin	pass? I added ...	15:34
Infecto	i need some aplication to recovery data from ext3, some one is familiar with any tool?	15:40
deepthought	any news on the restricted nvidia driver in jaunty ? it freakz me out not to be able to use my dual screen... or is there a workaround for now ?	15:40
amoblin	billybigrigger:ext4-fs:delayed allocation enabled?	15:42
amoblin	kjournald2 starting. Commit interval 5 seconds...	15:42
IntuitiveNipple	who made the update-manager notification pop-up go transparent when the mouse hovers over it?	15:43
mvo	IntuitiveNipple: that is notify-osd (the replacement for notification-daemon)	15:45
IntuitiveNipple	mvo: yeah ... it was playing hide-n-seek with me :)	15:45
Numbers	Hey guys, suffering with 130.35 (nvidia).. how do I downgrade back to 130.29	15:48
s0u][ight	ppa works?	16:00
IntuitiveNipple	Numbers: I might be able to tell you shortly; That update is just being applied here and I may have to back it out :)	16:02
Numbers	IntuitiveNipple, heh.. 180.35 crippled me last night	16:02
Numbers	could be because I did a straight upgrade though rather than removing the old nvidia packages?	16:03
IntuitiveNipple	uh-oh... I've found enough problems with .28 or whatever version	16:03
Numbers	.29 seems to be what most are going back to	16:03
tretle	is anyone else having issues trying to install updates?	16:04
IntuitiveNipple	which ones?	16:05
maxb	tretle: Your question is too vague, be more specific.	16:05
tretle	any ones	16:05
IntuitiveNipple	"No"	16:05
Numbers	mine installed, most have been partial upgrades	16:05
Numbers	mine also broke ;)	16:05
IntuitiveNipple	Acid-test time... restarting... might see you next week :)	16:05
Numbers	such is the life of being on edge	16:06
tretle	it keeps saying some packages could not be retrieved from the server(s). Do you want to continue, ignoring these packages?	16:06
IntuitiveNipple	Is that edge-triggered interrupts :p	16:06
Numbers	heh	16:06
tretle	I have tried switching from the main repo to the irish one but the same problem	16:06
IntuitiveNipple	tretle: That sounds like a mirror-server not caught up issue	16:06
IntuitiveNipple	tretle: manually check the main archive.ubuntu.com server using a web browser for the package-versions that are reporting the issue	16:07
BUGabundo	hi everyone	16:24
charlie-tca	hey, BUGabundo	16:25
CarlFK	http://dpaste.com/4653/ why doesn't this match? <match key="info.udi" contains="20E33823_if0_logicaldev_input">	16:25
CarlFK	info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_4e7_20_20E33823_if0_logicaldev_input' (string)	16:25
CarlFK	i cut/pasted from lshal to 50-touchscreen.fdi - so it isn't like there is a typo	16:25
BUGabundo	hey CarlFK	16:25
BUGabundo	grr	16:26
BUGabundo	charlie-tca: hey	16:26
CarlFK	hey billybigrigger	16:26
billybigrigger	CarlFK, hey	16:26
billybigrigger	haha	16:26
CarlFK	no no no... you need to pick somenoe else	16:26
CarlFK	the chian is broken - bad luck for everyone!	16:26
billybigrigger	is everyone's tab being fussy today?	16:26
billybigrigger	hah	16:27
Numbers	nope, just the nvidia update :p	16:27
IntuitiveNipple	Numbers: Seem's okay here so far	16:27
Numbers	IntuitiveNipple, did you remove the cruft before you upgraded?	16:27
IntuitiveNipple	Nope	16:28
Numbers	Nvidia hates me.	16:28
IntuitiveNipple	I just let update-manager get on with it	16:28
* BUGabundo just wants python mess to be fixed!		16:28
Numbers	will run update manager again when i get home, might have fixed itself since yesterday	16:28
BUGabundo	don't even care about all the fuss about notifications or UM	16:28
* IntuitiveNipple wants the notification mess fixed!		16:28
Numbers	BUGabundo, indeed.. I did wonder why sabnzbd got removed	16:28
BUGabundo	IntuitiveNipple: give a button and working links! that's all	16:28
IntuitiveNipple	Evolution throwing up dialogs for notification now, despite the plug-in settings to use notification icon and a popup	16:29
BUGabundo	IntuitiveNipple: wasn't that fixed??	16:30
IntuitiveNipple	Dunno... I'll tell you shortly once Evo starts up	16:31
BUGabundo	the wiki had a link to a bug, and it was FIXED	16:31
IntuitiveNipple	I avoided any updates over the weekend so just applied over 200	16:31
BUGabundo	great news! just got hired! start tomorrow	16:31
BUGabundo	so I won't have all this time to be with you guys!	16:32
BUGabundo	will miss all of you	16:32
Numbers	how rude ;)	16:32
Numbers	only kidding, congrats	16:32
BUGabundo	thanks	16:33
joaopinto	BUGabundo, congrtulations :)	16:33
IntuitiveNipple	BUGabundo: what've you been hired to do?	16:33
BUGabundo	Sys Admin	16:35
BUGabundo	my are of work	16:35
IntuitiveNipple	More bug huntung then :)	16:35
IntuitiveNipple	s/huntung/hunting/	16:35
IntuitiveNipple	Nice to see upstream have just fixed the gnome log-viewer trying to open non-existent files	16:36
tgpraveen	guys from a few days even b4 the python related upgrade my EOG eye of gnome is extremely unstable	16:37
tgpraveen	and when it crashes it takes down the whole system with it.	16:37
tgpraveen	any one else have this prob?	16:37
BUGabundo	IntuitiveNipple: AHHHHHHHHHHHhh great! that was stupid	16:38
Bert_2	say, has anything changed in how dhcp is handled between hardy, intrepid and jaunty ?	16:38
CarlFK	Bert_2: maybe - I notice they keep flipping between sending the hostname or not	16:41
Bert_2	CarlFK: but basically the configuration files are exchangeable ?	16:42
CarlFK	/etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf; send host-name "<hostname>";	16:42
CarlFK	Bert_2: yep	16:42
Bert_2	CarlFK: okey	16:47
thehook	any news on the intel 845	16:54
thehook	?	16:54
thehook	anyone using the kde 4.2 version here?	16:56
BUGabundo	a bit	16:56
BUGabundo	I'm more of a gnome guy	16:56
BUGabundo	but have both installed	16:56
BUGabundo	dtchen_: OSS works fine! no other audio service does :(	16:56
thehook	do you have the problem that when opening a dolphin window with 12 elements it can not decide if it wants 2 or 3 columns and are bouncing between them?	16:57
thehook	BUGabundo: im a gnome person myself but i installed kubuntu-desktop as well cause the kde 4.2 seems nice	16:58
thehook	BUGabundo: the problem is fixed by resizing the dolphin window.	16:59
BUGabundo	don't use much dolphin	17:01
BUGabundo	more konqueror	17:01
MaGicKanGaRoo	hello	17:04
MaGicKanGaRoo	in relation to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/308805	17:04
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 308805 in fglrx-installer "[Jaunty] Loading GLX module fails due to undefined symbol miInitVisualsProc (dup-of: 313027)" [Undecided,Confirmed]	17:04
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 313027 in fglrx-installer "MASTER: fglrx does not support xserver 1.6" [Wishlist,Triaged]	17:04
BUGabundo	how can I know what gtk theme engine am I using?	17:04
MaGicKanGaRoo	would it be advisable to install a previous versions xorg-server to get around that problem?	17:05
ronny	what the heck is up with recent updates	17:05
ronny	python apps randomly segfault	17:05
MaGicKanGaRoo	is that not to do with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1082102	17:06
ronny	ah i see	17:07
BUGabundo	ronny: python migration	17:07
BUGabundo	why don't all you guys subscribe to the devel announce ML?	17:08
BUGabundo	and why do you FORCE partial upgrades without checking the know probs?	17:08
ronny	"force"? all i did was upgrade/dist-upgrade	17:09
ronny	thats what usually just works	17:10
ronny	hmm, the pythoneers ppa didnt help	17:21
ronny	but not it segfails reliable at least	17:21
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FFForever	Hello	17:46
FFForever	any idea on why when i login i am greeted with a black screen	17:47
FFForever	(if i go to tty1 then back to tty7 everything is fine =)	17:48
vbgunz	how do you continue the libc6 upgrade later?	17:49
vbgunz	well, I need to try something	17:50
woody86	has anyone had problems getting wicd to stay connected in Jaunty?	17:55
vbgunz	anybody have an idea on how to solve or troubleshoot the reason why resuming from a suspend to ram always yields a dead sata disk?	18:01
BUGabundo	need a bit of help here	18:37
BUGabundo	need a small text to announce an Ubuntu install and promotion session	18:37
* charlie-tca thinks Oh-oh, this is serious when BUGabundo needs help		18:37
BUGabundo	and im out of ideas	18:37
FFForever	any idea on why when i login i am greeted with a black screen?	18:37
FFForever	(if i go to tty1 then back to tty7 everything is fine =)	18:37
charlie-tca	BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/125413/ ?	18:42
Numbers	Are compiz effects broken with latest updates?	18:44
Numbers	'Desktop effects could not be enabled'	18:44
BUGabundo	http://paste.ubuntu.com/125414/	18:44
BUGabundo	Numbers: been getting that for weeks	18:44
charlie-tca	FFForever: perhaps you aren't waiting enough for it to draw the desktop?	18:44
BUGabundo	only with Fusion-icon I could enable mine	18:44
Numbers	BUGabundo, ah.. mine was fine until yesterday	18:44
BUGabundo	charlie-tca: http://paste.ubuntu.com/125414/	18:44
FFForever	charlie-tca, i waited 5mins....	18:45
Numbers	I guess i'll have to live without Docky for a while, heh	18:45
charlie-tca	BUGabundo: looks good. I was going to do that, but didn't want to slur anything	18:45
charlie-tca	FFForever: should be long enough, then	18:45
FFForever	charlie-tca, that is what i said....	18:46
FFForever	charlie-tca, =(, if i disable compiz i have no problem....	18:46
charlie-tca	So, did you find that compiz bug about it?	18:46
BUGabundo	draft http://paste.ubuntu.com/125416/	18:46
FFForever	charlie-tca, no i just disabled it to test	18:47
FFForever	how can i disable the crash manager?	18:47
charlie-tca	I remember seeing one, but I don't know if it has been fixed	18:47
charlie-tca	crash manager = apport?	18:47
FFForever	also i tried dontzap --disable and i still cant use ctrl+alt+bkspace	18:48
charlie-tca	BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/125420/	18:52
charlie-tca	It is new to anyone not using it, right?	18:53
vbgunz	anyone have a clue on why the sata drive from resume?	18:53
BUGabundo	I think I should have attached a Compiz Cube effect	18:54
BUGabundo	that alone "sells" ubuntu to new users	18:54
BUGabundo	vbgunz: still having trouble with the disk?	18:54
charlie-tca	FFForever: disable crash manager: /etc/default/apport ; set 'enabled=1' to 'enabled=0'	18:54
vbgunz	BUGabundo: yeah. I swear I tried everything. I am absolutely convinced everything and its mother comes back except for my sata drive	18:54
FFForever	thanks	18:55
BUGabundo	bug with hw or kernel	18:55
BUGabundo	vbgunz: maybe trying to turn off some ACPI options?	18:55
BUGabundo	that was the only way I got a SiS based laptop to run	18:55
vbgunz	the resolution comes back. apps come back. I can plug stuff in but of course it will crash because I cannot read or write to the sata drive	18:55
vbgunz	how can I say please dont put the sata disk to sleep? is this possible?	18:56
vbgunz	OR is there a way to put nothing to sleep and then test by adding devices 1 at a time to sleep to pinpoint exactly where the problem is?	18:56
vbgunz	unfortunately becuase I cannot read/write to a dead sata disk, I can never complete the bugreport :(	18:56
BUGabundo	here is not the best place	18:57
BUGabundo	sure there are great guys here	18:57
BUGabundo	that know much about kernel	18:57
BUGabundo	but you may be better to get some one from the kernel team	18:58
BUGabundo	usually ogassama is pretty helpful	18:58
BUGabundo	and can always point you to the "right" person	18:58
BUGabundo	try apw too	18:58
BUGabundo	vbgunz: join me on #ubuntu-devel please	18:58
vbgunz	does my kernel have sata power management built in? 2.6.28?	18:58
BUGabundo	yes	18:58
vbgunz	BUGabundo: ok	18:59
BUGabundo	most modules are no complied in, to be faster	18:59
charlie-tca	Time for lunch, bbl	18:59
BUGabundo	lets see if vbgunz gets something going!	19:02
BUGabundo	some times its just a question of WHO you talk too	19:02
Numbers	eh, how come the log out, reboot and shut down menu options have gone from the 'System' dropdown	19:08
BUGabundo	old news too	19:10
BUGabundo	you have to keep up with the updates	19:10
BUGabundo	LOL	19:10
Numbers	i've only been on the alpha for a couple of days ;)	19:11
BUGabundo	ahh	19:13
BUGabundo	need to come on sooner next time	19:14
BUGabundo	LOL	19:14
BUGabundo	even before alpha1 like i did	19:14
Numbers	:P will do	19:14
Numbers	what's the ETA of alpha6?	19:14
BUGabundo	!schedule	19:15
ubottu	A schedule of Jaunty Jackalope (9.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule	19:15
Numbers	ta	19:15
Numbers	Ok, signed up to the jaunty changed mailing list	19:17
Numbers	changes*	19:17
BUGabundo	dude you are crazier then I am	19:18
BUGabundo	good luck with that	19:18
BUGabundo	even the RSS feed is too much for me	19:18
BUGabundo	be ready for a few hunders per day	19:18
Numbers	I wimped it and signed up for digests only ;)	19:18
BUGabundo	ohhhh	19:19
BUGabundo	not so crazy after all	19:19
BUGabundo	devel, devel-discuss, devel-announce also help	19:19
BUGabundo	and should be MANDATORY to those who try alpha/trunk	19:19
BUGabundo	subscribing to the wiki pages of technical notes and alpha release notes also helps	19:20
BUGabundo	and there's also the blueprints changes	19:20
BUGabundo	and of course the IRC and identica	19:20
Numbers	excellent cheers. Fortunately, only nvidia and python have given me jipp so far and ive sorted nvidia, so we're doing ok so far :)	19:20
BUGabundo	#u-devel, #u+1, #u-meettings, etc	19:20
CarlFK	did I hear there is a PPA that has the python stuff?	19:29
BUGabundo	pythoneers or something	19:30
BUGabundo	won't help much	19:30
BUGabundo	my fonts just changed	19:31
BUGabundo	stupid kdelibs	19:31
dtchen_	BUGabundo: what about oss? you haven't provided enough information...	19:33
BUGabundo	have to go	19:33
BUGabundo	humm	19:33
BUGabundo	dtchen_: right on mark	19:33
BUGabundo	dtchen_: welll	19:33
BUGabundo	since I have no audio via PA or ALSE	19:33
BUGabundo	*ALSA	19:33
BUGabundo	I went to try all other options	19:33
BUGabundo	choosing OSS outputs OK	19:33
BUGabundo	vlc, mplayer, sound testing	19:34
BUGabundo	everything	19:34
BUGabundo	but PA or ALSA NO	19:34
Numbers	poo, mythtv is borked	19:34
BUGabundo	dtchen_: on another note: could the alsa script be package and put on a PPA/archive?	19:34
dtchen_	BUGabundo: i thought you tested with ogg123/paplay/speaker-test yesterday	19:34
BUGabundo	that way we would always have the most recent version installed	19:34
BUGabundo	aplay worked before your PPA, after upgrade didn't	19:35
BUGabundo	ogg123 didn't work	19:35
dtchen_	BUGabundo: no, it has not been audited yet, so it needs to remain a user choice to download from an upstream web site	19:35
BUGabundo	ok	19:36
BUGabundo	np	19:36
BUGabundo	glad someone else thought about that too	19:36
BUGabundo	and the audio?	19:36
BUGabundo	what do you think I can do to have PA or ALSA working?	19:36
Numbers	know anything about myth not working BUGabundo?	19:36
dtchen_	BUGabundo: did you do: 1? sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 2? rm ~/.pulse*	19:36
BUGabundo	not 1)	19:37
BUGabundo	but 2) yes	19:37
BUGabundo	Invalid card number.	19:37
BUGabundo	http://paste.ubuntu.com/125435/	19:38
BUGabundo	dtchen_: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=ede25d873045df12c938b10478d25612e27a05f4	19:41
skyjumper	has pulseaudio been weird for anyone else lately?	19:42
billybigrigger	hahaha	19:42
billybigrigger	always	19:42
dtchen_	BUGabundo: what's the output from: groups \|grep audio>/dev/null 2>&1;echo $?	19:42
skyjumper	it's been randomly crashing and maxing out cpu regardless of the 'tsched' setting	19:42
billybigrigger	PA is junk in my books, i've never been able to use it, always ALSA for me	19:42
dtchen_	skyjumper: yes, we're working on it.	19:42
skyjumper	heh it's a great idea, just lacks quality control	19:42
BUGabundo	dtchen_: empty?	19:42
dtchen_	BUGabundo: err, it should return 0 or 1	19:43
BUGabundo	nop	19:43
billybigrigger	groups \|grep audio>/dev/null 2>&1;echo $ <----returns $ for me	19:43
dtchen_	skyjumper: that's why we're working on it. what details can you give me	19:43
BUGabundo	$ groups \| pastebinit -i -	19:43
BUGabundo	http://paste.ubuntu.com/125441/	19:43
skyjumper	dtchen_: what details do you need?	19:44
dtchen_	BUGabundo: the trailing '?' is vital	19:44
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: yeah $	19:44
BUGabundo	dih	19:44
BUGabundo	duh	19:44
billybigrigger	nothin	19:44
BUGabundo	dtchen_: get into a shell	19:44
BUGabundo	>	19:44
dtchen_	BUGabundo: huh? groups \|grep audio>/dev/null 2>&1;echo $? <-- this entire string	19:44
billybigrigger	1	19:44
BUGabundo	1	19:45
dtchen_	right, you'lle get 1 because your user is not in the audio group	19:45
BUGabundo	yes	19:45
BUGabundo	news around (maco, pitti) all say we don't need to	19:45
dtchen_	correct	19:45
dtchen_	but, that's only for pulseaudio, which uses policykit	19:45
BUGabundo	do you think that since I have BOTH gnome and kde it messs the system?	19:46
dtchen_	if you intend to use alsa solely, your user must be in the audio group	19:46
BUGabundo	since KDE uses phono and not PA?	19:46
BUGabundo	dtchen_: I want PA	19:46
BUGabundo	I want to go as Ubuntu guidelines go...	19:46
BUGabundo	but no audio	19:46
dtchen_	Phonon will choose ALSA as a higher priority than a fallback to PulseAudio	19:46
dtchen_	so if you intend to switch between GNOME and KDE, you need to add your user to the audio group, log out, and back in	19:47
BUGabundo	any more tips and tricks?	19:47
BUGabundo	I don't do it that offten	19:47
BUGabundo	and I use Gnome as primary	19:47
BUGabundo	sound on one WM is better then no sound at all	19:47
BUGabundo	(unless using OSS)	19:47
BUGabundo	good old OSS, still works	19:48
BUGabundo	lol	19:48
dtchen_	BUGabundo: alsa-info.sh, without autospawn enabled, will use alsa-lib directly, which requires your user to be in @audio	19:48
BUGabundo	want me to test that now?	19:49
dtchen_	BUGabundo: yes	19:49
BUGabundo	I'm late for dinner	19:49
BUGabundo	but ok	19:49
BUGabundo	you now have some free time	19:49
BUGabundo	don't know when I am going to get you again	19:50
BUGabundo	lol	19:50
BUGabundo	do you need to logout/login after adding to group?	19:50
dtchen_	BUGabundo: yes	19:50
BUGabundo	mnemo: what's up?	19:50
BUGabundo	user in group	19:50
BUGabundo	now, where do I kill autospawn?	19:51
BUGabundo	dtchen_: ^^^	19:51
BUGabundo	anybody else knows????????	19:54
BUGabundo	I'm kinda in an hurry here	19:54
dtchen_	skyjumper: run alsa-info.sh. i also need pulseaudio -vvv. i also need grep -E 'module-alsa-sink.c(.)*increasing' /var/log/messages	19:54
dtchen_	BUGabundo: my connection is extremely lagged	19:54
BUGabundo	it would seem	19:54
dtchen_	BUGabundo: edit /etc/pulse/client.conf and comment out the autospawn line	19:54
dtchen_	(or change it to autospawn = no)	19:55
BUGabundo	yep	19:55
BUGabundo	done	19:55
BUGabundo	brb	19:55
BUGabundo	dtchen_: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=51695aede3a696cdd620355db1be9e959ad14c46	19:57
dtchen_	BUGabundo: killall pulseaudio ; speaker-test -c2	19:59
dtchen_	skyjumper: let me know when you've got that info pastebinned	19:59
BUGabundo	http://paste.ubuntu.com/125449/	19:59
BUGabundo	dtchen_: ^^^^^	20:00
BUGabundo	humm	20:01
BUGabundo	now it works?	20:01
BUGabundo	maybe I was to fast for it	20:01
dtchen_	BUGabundo: is that after you killed pulseaudio?	20:01
BUGabundo	yeah	20:01
BUGabundo	but running again works	20:01
dtchen_	no, the pastebin	20:01
BUGabundo	I hear silence! (background noise)	20:01
dtchen_	does speaker-test -c2 give you inaudible or audible sound?	20:02
skyjumper	dtchen_: http://pastebin.com/m1e45a8c0	20:02
BUGabundo	http://paste.ubuntu.com/125450/	20:02
BUGabundo	dtchen_: I just here "noise"	20:03
dtchen_	BUGabundo: does it switch between your left and right speakers?	20:03
BUGabundo	swichting from left to right	20:03
dtchen_	good	20:03
BUGabundo	YES	20:03
BUGabundo	actaully increment	20:03
skyjumper	dtchen_: also worth noting that PA usually works. the crashes and 100% cpu are random	20:03
dtchen_	yes, that's intentional	20:03
BUGabundo	this is, left never stops	20:03
dtchen_	BUGabundo: right, you can interrupt it (ctrl+c)	20:04
BUGabundo	did	20:04
dtchen_	so alsa works just fine for you	20:04
thehook	dtchen_: mine is switching from front left to front left :P	20:04
dtchen_	thehook: with or without pulseaudio running?	20:04
BUGabundo	dtchen_: let me try mplayer -ao ALSA	20:05
BUGabundo	AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)	20:06
dtchen_	skyjumper: apt-cache policy pulseaudio\|grep Installed	20:06
BUGabundo	got audio working	20:06
BUGabundo	THANKS	20:06
BUGabundo	now, PA?	20:06
skyjumper	dtchen_: Installed: 0.9.14-0ubuntu9	20:06
dtchen_	skyjumper: that's outdated	20:06
dtchen_	skyjumper: please reproduce the symptoms with -0ubuntu10	20:07
skyjumper	i may have installed intrepid's pulseaudio to try and fix it	20:07
BUGabundo	Installed: 0.9.14-0ubuntu10	20:07
dtchen_	skyjumper: i'm not fixing intrepid's pulseaudio, and no development occurs on intrepid's version	20:07
thehook	dtchen_: sorry, it works now :) but my headphone jack is not working..i know this was a issue on this kind of laptop (acer aspire 5930g) in intrepid	20:07
skyjumper	obviously	20:07
thehook	brb	20:07
dtchen_	thehook: provide your alsa-info.sh if you haven't already	20:08
BUGabundo	dtchen_: anything else?	20:08
BUGabundo	or am I free to go?	20:08
dtchen_	BUGabundo: find me when you have time	20:08
dtchen_	we can continue the PA saga	20:08
BUGabundo	maybe tomorrow you get PA working	20:08
BUGabundo	yeah	20:08
BUGabundo	thanks for the time and pacience	20:08
BUGabundo	do you have PA working on your system?	20:09
dtchen_	aside from the initial buffer glitches with GNOME login, yes	20:09
BUGabundo	lucky	20:09
BUGabundo	bye everyone	20:09
BUGabundo	late for dinner	20:09
dtchen_	skyjumper: the grep -E command i gave you won't be helpful to me unless you dist-upgrade and run pa 0.9.14-0ubuntu10	20:10
bardyr	bug: 1337	20:10
dtchen_	skyjumper: i've tuned the delay routines in that current version, which is why that version, and not others, is useful	20:11
skyjumper	dtchen_: running 0.9.14-0ubuntu10 now, seeing brief choppiness when starting playback	20:15
skyjumper	or hearing it rather	20:15
\|Alexia_Death\|	Is pulseaudio stutter known problem?	20:16
skyjumper	dtchen_: Mar 2 15:14:46 blackpearl pulseaudio[8251]: module-alsa-sink.c: Increasing wakeup watermark to 5.99 ms	20:16
starcannon	Is there a gui for toggling don't zap in jaunty? or is it going to require hand editing the xorg.conf file?	20:17
\|Alexia_Death\|	dtchen_: whats your relation to the bugs in pulseaudio? Can I help debug.	20:20
\|Alexia_Death\|	dtchen_: at first the playback started chopy, now its choppy al over tho getting les If I let it play longer.	20:21
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dtchen_	skyjumper: yes, the initial audio aberrations is a known issue.	20:25
dtchen_	^ Alexia_Death	20:25
dtchen_	what's happening is that the watermark and buffer sizes have to be adjusted from their initial values, which are set very, very small/low	20:25
dtchen_	PulseAudio makes certain assumptions regarding the system HZ setting	20:26
dtchen_	Ubuntu's kernel config also does not have PREEMPT enabled. Both of these things (though the latter is the more important) adversely affect audio performance using PulseAudio.	20:27
skyjumper	why did these problems appear recently?	20:28
dtchen_	starcannon: AFAIK, Kubuntu has a GUI option	20:28
Alexia_Death	dtchen_: any way I could configure it to use decent buffers?	20:28
dtchen_	skyjumper: they appeared several revisions ago; i've been tuning them while glitch-free is disabled	20:28
dtchen_	skyjumper: we're now at the point where the most important issue should be resolved, namely the daemon crashing nondeterministically due to snd_pcm_avail_update() not handling bogus data from -kernel and -lib correctly	20:29
dtchen_	skyjumper: thus, my next item for PulseAudio is addressing the audio aberrations	20:29
starcannon	dtchen thanks for the info, I'm a bit baffeled as to how one would accidentally press ctrl-alt-backspace, but am gratified to know that there will be a gui method of restoring it if the need arises(I use gnome and hope it will have a gui for this as well)	20:30
dtchen_	(yes, the latest upload this morning reenabled glitch-free, which is why you hear the anomalies during login)	20:30
dtchen_	starcannon: AFAIK, there's only going to be the command-line option using the dontzap program	20:30
dtchen_	[for Ubuntu]	20:30
dtchen_	Alexia_Death: depends which approach you wish to take	20:31
dtchen_	Alexia_Death: the best method is to convince the rest of the kernel team to reenable PREEMPT	20:31
Alexia_Death	dtchen_: I can do anything execept rebuilding my kernel. cant be aased eith that.	20:31
Alexia_Death	Why was it disabled anyway?	20:32
starcannon	ughh, I have a few home users I take care of, guess I'm gonna have to make my rounds and be sure to turn it back on for those rare instances when it is needed	20:32
dtchen_	Alexia_Death: i suppose it was thought that it was not a standard desktop configuration	20:32
Alexia_Death	dtchen_: O_o	20:33
dtchen_	Alexia_Death: you can also adjust tsched_buffer_size and tsched_buffer_watermark for module-alsa-* in /etc/pulse/default.pa	20:33
Alexia_Death	Ok.	20:33
Alexia_Death	what are reasonable sizes?	20:33
dtchen_	Alexia_Death: you can also edit src/modules/modules-alsa-s{ink,ource}.c and recompile PA	20:34
dtchen_	Alexia_Death: there are no globally reasonable sizes	20:34
Alexia_Death	whats a sensible formula?	20:34
dtchen_	Alexia_Death: it's extremely hardware- and usage-dependent	20:34
Alexia_Death	I have plenty of ram.	20:34
dtchen_	Alexia_Death: it's your sound card, not your RAM	20:34
dtchen_	Alexia_Death: you need to look at: grep -E 'module-alsa-sink.c(.)*increasing' /var/log/messages	20:35
Alexia_Death	dtchen_: nothing	20:36
dtchen_	Alexia_Death: are you using the latest pulseaudio upload (0.9.14-0ubuntu10)?	20:38
Alexia_Death	just did dist-upgrade	20:38
Alexia_Death	Ill check tho	20:38
Alexia_Death	local mirors are behind sometimes	20:38
\|Alexia_Death\|	dtchen_: ii pulseaudio 0.9.14-0ubuntu10 PulseAudio sound server	20:45
thehook	dtchen_: where do i find the alsa-info.sh?	20:48
mefisto__	www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh	20:49
thehook	!jaunty	20:54
ubottu	Jaunty Jackalope is the code for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009 - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support.	20:54
thehook	!beta	20:54
ubottu	If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Jaunty. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.	20:54
thehook	!845	20:55
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about 845	20:55
thehook	!intel845	20:55
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about intel845	20:55
dtchen_	\|Alexia_Death\|: have you modified /etc/pulse/default.pa?	20:56
\|Alexia_Death\|	dtchen_: Yes. Ive enabled bt detection	20:57
thehook	!topic	20:57
ubottu	Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic	20:57
\|Alexia_Death\|	Ive also modified default conf to not make pulseaudio die..	20:58
\|Alexia_Death\|	dtchen_: I should do reconfigure?	20:58
\|Alexia_Death\|	to make pulseaudio not die*	20:58
skyjumper	does anyone with restricted nvidia driver get a blank screen when toggling from X to a text console?	21:02
BUGabundo	dtchen_: around?	21:03
BUGabundo	back for deserts	21:03
dtchen_	BUGabundo: yes, but i'm adjusting my TODO based on kernel-team feedback	21:03
dtchen_	apparently, PREEMPT will not be enabled for jaunty -generic	21:04
dtchen_	which means glitch-free needs to be disabled for PA	21:04
dtchen_	which means i need to fix PA to not segfault when glitch-free is not used	21:04
BUGabundo	np	21:05
dtchen_	uwhat a life.	21:05
BUGabundo	eeheh	21:05
thehook	skyjumper: using ctrl+alt+f1-6 you mean? no problem here..	21:06
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skyjumper	thehook: right, i get no text	21:07
skyjumper	there's an unresolved bug in launchpad about it	21:07
thehook	the screen flashed a couple of time and got back to gui the first time i did it, but i think i hit a wrong key :P cause when i hit ctrl+alt+f1 i get console with text )	21:08
\|Alexia_Death\|	thehook: I have to do it twice too	21:08
\|Alexia_Death\|	thehook: theres a bug somewhere	21:09
IntuitiveNipple	thehook: There is a known issue with console-kit and the first Alt+F1/F6 flicking back to X	21:09
\|Alexia_Death\|	dtchen_: generic does not have preempt, but some other kernel does?	21:09
skyjumper	so nobody's heard of the blank console issue?	21:09
IntuitiveNipple	skyjumper: As you your earlier question, yes, I've been meaning to dig into that. It only started relatively recently	21:09
IntuitiveNipple	s/you/your/	21:09
thehook	skyjumper: does it work on the second / third try? or is it always blank?	21:09
BUGabundo	skyjumper: yes I heard! some bugs aboyut it	21:10
skyjumper	thehook: always	21:10
BUGabundo	on intel mainly	21:10
BUGabundo	and some nvidias	21:10
BUGabundo	not me, luckly	21:10
skyjumper	actually, the problem started during intrepid, i think	21:10
thehook	!i845	21:11
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about i845	21:11
dtchen_	\|Alexia_Death\|: none do.	21:11
thehook	any news about the intel i845 it's a pain in the ass :P everytime i load X i get the picture (sometimes for a coupe of seconds)	21:12
thehook	and then the whole computer freeze	21:12
\|Alexia_Death\|	dtchen_: damn. Id have installed server image if that had...	21:12
thehook	what is preempt?	21:13
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FFForever	dtchen_, u still around?	21:24
dtchen_	yes, but busy.	21:24
BUGabundo	just lost the volume indicator / notification	21:25
BUGabundo	I'm seeing the old one!	21:25
BUGabundo	anybody else?	21:25
FFForever	dtchen_, quick question, did u get the patch in for the kernel yet (for the 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)) so i can use the internal mic	21:25
dtchen_	FFForever: no, i've been busy with pulseaudio fixes	21:27
dtchen_	i don't have much time these days to do audio work; i basically sacrifice sleep	21:27
FFForever	ahhh =(, do u at least know if u will have time to have a fix in before the final release	21:28
FFForever	dtchen_, thanks for all your hard work on pa btw ur awesome =D	21:28
dtchen_	i don't know. $dayjob has higher priority ATM.	21:28
FFForever	i understand =)	21:28
FFForever	more like anything that gives u $ has an higher priority lol =P	21:28
thehook	can anyone please verify this? using dontzap --disable in commandline and trying to press ctrl+alt+backspace still dont work	21:34
BUGabundo	thehook: you need to end the session at least ONCE before it works	21:37
dtchen_	thehook: you have to log in again after making that change	21:37
thehook	ok :)	21:37
thehook	BUGabundo: dtchen_ : ok, i noticed :) its working now	21:40
thehook	but if any of you are running kde 4.2 please try the following: insert a usb-pen, open dolphin to make sure it is mounted, close dolphin again, sudo mount /dev/sdXn /mnt and then try to unomunt it using the "Last plugged in devices" widget..	21:42
thehook	this caused the whole kde 4.2 to freeze on my machine.. all the applications worked but none of the menus, panels or something..	21:42
thehook	anyone experienced something similar?	21:44
thehook	where should I start to look for for a solution to my headphone jack not working? and my microphone as well, plus the sd card reader.. i have an acer aspire 5930g	22:11
\|Alexia_Death\|	thehook: headphone/mic are most likely hardware muted If you have sound from speakers	22:21
\|Alexia_Death\|	sd reader is a different issue	22:21
thehook	\|Alexia_Death\|: so i should check bios then?	22:22
\|Alexia_Death\|	thehook: no. alsamixer -Dhw	22:24
thehook	\|Alexia_Death\|: i am checking there now, but shouldn't it cut the speakers when I plug in the headphone anyway?	22:27
\|Alexia_Death\|	some drivers are abit buggy about that.	22:28
\|Alexia_Death\|	Mine screws it up on mute	22:28
tuxmaniac	anyone on jaunty who can test bug 291075 ?	22:31
ubottu	Launchpad bug 291075 in freehdl "Digital simulation in qucs don't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291075	22:31
thehook	\|Alexia_Death\|: in alsamixer -Dhw (Capture) there is "front mic" that makes this really high pitch tone, and there is "mic boost" that is just noise, both was 0% default	22:33
thehook	+ so its impossible then?	22:34
\|Alexia_Death\|	thehook: i cant think of anything else. its either a bug in the drver or they are physically da	22:38
\|Alexia_Death\|	faulty	22:39
thehook	what drivers is it then? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AcerAspire5930G	22:39
\|Alexia_Death\|	im yet to see a bios that controlls the sound	22:39
\|Alexia_Death\|	thehook: lsmod \| grep snd	22:40
thehook	it seems that bug 258446 is about the sd card reader	22:40
ubottu	Launchpad bug 258446 in ubuntu "JMicron internal card reader recognizes SD only when inserted at startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258446	22:40
thehook	\|Alexia_Death\|: http://paste.ubuntu.com/125502/	22:41
\|Alexia_Death\|	hda	22:42
\|Alexia_Death\|	i have the same sound	22:42
\|Alexia_Death\|	havent ued speakers in a while but wen i have it has always worked	22:43
\|Alexia_Death\|	mine is a compal clone	22:43
vbgunz	I had a big problem trying to suspend to ram. I pretty much got it solved with some greatly appreciated help from the devs over in jaunty channels. Anyone know how to associate a tap of the power button to suspend to ram and how when resuming guarentee the screen is locked?	23:03
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=== jpds is now known as Guest18936
vbgunz	anyone know how to associate the computers power button with "suspend to ram"?	23:44
vbgunz	I am trying to do it through powerdevil but I honestly don't think powerdevil works at all :/	23:44
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vbgunz	I mean, is it a placeholder for future functionality perhaps?	23:44
vbgunz	where in KDE do I get to mess with the real power options and shortcuts etc?	23:47
vbgunz	anyone know what I have to do to launch "pm-suspend" without me actually having to say sudo?	23:50
bruce89	I assume pulseaudio blah-ubuntu10 is a backwards step	23:51
crdlb	that's what the power manager is for :)	23:51
vbgunz	crdlb: what power manager?	23:51
crdlb	powerdevil, I guess?	23:51
vbgunz	crdlb: that thing doesn't work at all. not at all intuitive and doesn't do a dime of what I ask for... it has to be broken 100% and I am convinced it is only for systems with batteries else it dies. point being no matter what I try with powerdevil. its for nothing :(	23:52
vbgunz	do I need to be in a group in order to say pm-suspend without being sudo?	23:53
crdlb	gnome-power-manager works well here	23:53
vbgunz	what group?	23:53
crdlb	though admittedly I haven't really played with it without a battery	23:53
DanaG	odd.. just noticed the PA "null" output.	23:56
vbgunz	I went through hell to get suspend to ram working. now, I'd simply like to associate my box powerbutton with it and when it resumes, it resumes locked. this is going to be another week in hell huh?	23:56
vbgunz	heh	23:56
* DanaG wonders what's new in ALSA whatever.19		23:57
DanaG	(I don't remember the exact naming scheme._	23:57

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