[00:02] firefox 3.1 is still beta and they won't "officially" be release a new version in a couple of month. I tried the latest minefield it fast as hell. [00:03] alex_mayorga1: already is [00:04] andersk: minefield is 3.2 and its alpha [00:04] shireoko is 3.1 and its beta3 [00:04] I'll add the daily here [00:04] alex_mayorga1: behare! daily ppa is ONLY to track regressions [00:04] I use the shiretoko nightlies on win [00:04] and as the name states [00:04] every day there's a new! [00:05] not sure you need it, or want the BW [00:05] BW? [00:05] anyone else can use the mozila team PPA [00:05] bandwith [00:06] I don't really mind updating daily, but is there any place to report stuff? I usually hang in mozillazine forums [00:07] for ubuntu related prob #ubuntu-mozilateam or ML [00:07] but what's the "official" nightly build? [00:09] ah? [00:25] so is jaunty really that unstable? i just put a fresh install of windows and id rather not have to format again in two mos [00:26] have to dual boot for work [00:27] that old excuse! [00:29] Mooqy: sure its unstable [00:29] but it should not break completely [00:29] so you should be safe... [00:29] if anything breaks, most of the time is fixabla [00:31] Mooqy, why would you have to format again in 2 months? [00:32] cant you just upgrade like everyone else does? [00:32] hi, my touchpads scroll bar isnt working... should i copy xorg.conf from intrepid over? [00:33] nope, instead, stick it in a HAL fdi file. [00:33] example: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/19-synaptics.fdi [00:33] put it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy [00:33] and edit to suit your taste. [00:33] DanaG: not me right? [00:34] joshjtl: yes you. hal fdi file replaces touchpad config in xorg.conf. [00:34] oh oh ok thanks [00:36] hmm anyone know if DanaG meant take the /etc/hal/fdi/policy from Intrepid, and copy it over to Jaunty, or if DanaG meant copy xorg.conf from Intrepid and rename to policy, in /etc/hal/fdi/ ? [00:38] don't copy nothing from ibex to jaunty [00:39] xorg is NEW [00:40] BUGabundo: i need to fix the touchpad so that my scroll bar works [00:40] joshjtl: he meant to use a file like the example he posted [00:40] oh duh crdlb.. i didnt read up [00:40] joshjtl: is it enabled in mouse preferences? [00:41] also, jaunty should allow you to do two-finger scroll, which is pretty cool [00:41] crdlb: yeah [00:41] joshjtl: try multi touth [00:41] BUGabundo: what? [00:41] use two fingers [00:41] on the middle of the touthpad [00:42] BUGabundo: to scroll ? [00:42] interesting [00:42] y [00:42] but pointless for me [00:42] BUGabundo: by just holding one finger down while moving the other? that doesnt work [00:43] no no [00:43] joshjtl: by moving both [00:43] didn't you ever eard of multitoutch devices? [00:43] yes but i've never used it to scroll, only to zoom things [00:43] I haven't [00:49] bruce89: but can you ? [00:49] I can scroll with the right-hand edge anyway [00:49] I can with both [00:50] as can I, is there anything else that can be done with multiple fingers? [00:51] AFAIK firefox can do a few other things [00:51] on the touchpad that is [00:51] but I haven't manage to discover how [00:51] LOLOLOLOL [00:51] bruce89, right click is three-finger tap [00:52] * DanaG wishes Synaptics hadn't started cripping their damned touchpads IN FIRMWARE. [00:52] Now my Synaptics is no better than an Alps -- my new laptop can't do any sort of multi-touch! [00:52] ... yet, even 5-year-old laptops CAN. [01:00] * bruce89 discovers tapping to right-bottom corner is button 3 [01:01] button 2, and right-top is 3 [01:04] xserver-xorg-input-evtouch somehow depends on aspell? [01:08] CarlFK: not that I can see. What's the output of "aptitude why aspell"? [01:12] bed time [01:12] see you guys tomorrow [01:12] rww: i xserver-xorg-input-evt Recommend zenity | kdebase-bin | xidalog ouch [01:13] * bruce89 directs people to http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-input-synaptics/tree/src/synaptics.c?id=8ee8aa5ec764c9c816fc95e0bfc5f4e2aee3ba0f#n406 [01:14] CarlFK: that's only a recommends [01:14] CarlFK: O_o [01:16] apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evtouch ... The following extra packages will be installed: aspell http://dpaste.com/4353/ [01:16] apt installs recommends by default now [01:18] CarlFK: Pass the --without-recommends switch to apt-get [01:18] looking at the changelog, they used to be depends === rww_ is now known as rww [01:37] ev_calibrate say XLoadQueryFont: failed loading font '*freemono*' [01:37] guessing there is some package that is spozed to have that font in it? [01:39] bruce89: thanks - I was wondering why "installs recommends" was a surprise [01:40] I think those packages should be suggests, the Debian Policy manual says that recommends shouldn't be installed in only special cases [01:44] any news with pulseaudio? === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim [01:46] no new pulse yet [01:52] * billybigrigger is sick of looking at video cards [01:52] how are ati's drivers as of late? [01:52] network manager is picking up my vmnet devices. how to prevent it from doing that? [01:52] just me or not many updates lately [01:53] I don't want network manager to manage my vmware vmnet network interfaces! [01:53] can't decide on a gfx card, might go with a ~$100 8800 or 9600 but am tempted to try out an ati card... [01:56] linkinx64_: it's a weekend [01:57] can anyone comment on the ati's driver status as of late? [01:57] or should i stick with the tried and true nvidia cards? [02:00] that\s what i thought bruce89 [02:02] !info openoffice.org [02:02] openoffice.org (source: openoffice.org): OpenOffice.org Office suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.0.1-1ubuntu4 (jaunty), package size 4 kB, installed size 44 kB [02:54] how do I enable a serial mouse? [03:03] hi folks, I'm trying to fine tune the scroll area on my touchpad... the verticle scroll area is too big... how can I edit (i'm guession i would edit the file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/synaptics.fdi [03:11] joshjtl: man evdev (i think) [03:15] hmm don't see anything in there [03:18] rats - === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [03:29] yay!! pulseaudio updates [03:29] lets see :D [03:33] nothing :( [03:53] troubleshooting jaunty on eee, only getting desktop background, tried restarting gdm, tried purging ubuntu-netbook-remix, any other suggestions? [03:58] i've got all updates, and dist-upgrade'ed (currently applying the upgrades, but its mostly ooo) [03:58] I think the "Preferred Applications" UI seriously needs to be changed. Does anybody feel like helping me draft a blueprint? [03:58] gtk2 theme and icon theme wont apply to shutdown/logout etc window [04:03] well more importantly [04:04] When I try to restart, after splash screen stops on an indefinite black screen. [04:06] any suggestions for clearing all user preferences for gnome, and "purging" it with clean user configs? [04:06] my issue happened when installing netbook remix, and purging that did not help [04:06] when I have to reboot manually [04:21] help [04:33] musikgoat: delete your ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconf* [04:33] musikgoat: possibly ~/.config as well... [04:33] but some apps may store data in those so... [04:33] be careful [04:35] this worth reporting: Mar 2 03:23:07 in-target: python-xml: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed [04:38] maco: thanks, i had come across that troubleshooting, it worked [04:39] CarlFK: no [04:39] python 2.6 transition is half-there [04:39] maco: figured. [04:39] but ya know, i think python2.5 is still available [04:39] well hrm...ok maybe report that that package should say Depends: python2.5 [04:39] The half that was blocking ubuntu-desktop got done :D [04:40] maco: won't really accomplish anything if it's sitting all alone in /usr/lib/python2.5 [04:40] with every other python package in python2.6 [04:40] it just needs a rebuild [04:41] crdlb: well the .py's probably need to be all updated to say /usr/bin/python2.5 all over the place [04:41] eh? [04:41] #!/usr/bin/python [04:41] would need to change to #!/usr/bin/python2.5 [04:41] for the ones that *need* to be using 2.5 [04:41] nothing needs to use 2.5 [04:41] oh really? [04:42] a simple rebuild will allow anything that works with 2.5 to work with 2.6 [04:42] at least ideally [04:42] oh. i thought 2.6 had some of py3k's changes [04:42] 2.6 will support 3.0 stuff [04:43] er [04:43] 2.6 will support some 3.0 stuff [04:43] but is still backwards compatible [04:43] 3.0 breaks backwards compat... [04:46] When I try to restart, after splash screen I get an indefinite black screen, where I have to ctrl+alt+delete to reboot [04:48] going to try shutting down instead of rebooting to see what happens [04:48] brb [05:23] what version of kde will [probably] be in jaunty? [05:24] 4.2? [05:25] 4.2.3.1 [05:25] i hope 4.x catches up to 3.x in functionality soon... the single biggest thing that could force me back to debian [05:25] 4.2 is supposed to be ready to go [05:36] Got Sound!!!!!!!!! [05:36] L:D~ [05:53] how to increase the size of the new notifications?? [06:09] Hi, my computer crashed while installing a package, and now apt is totally bruced. Can anyone help me with this? http://paste2.org/p/156679 [06:13] lamalex: remove the postinst file, and run dpkg --configure -a, perhaps. Looks like python-central is no longer installed? [06:16] Hobbsee: aptitude says python-central is installed, where does the postinst live? [06:17] /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ? [06:17] lamalex: yes [06:17] just the postinst? nothing else? [06:20] rad, I think that fixed it. moved everything but the .list file [06:21] thanks guys [06:40] python is still broken for us all still? [06:57] mr. meowagi === alteregoa is now known as nihilist [07:06] pulseaudio is busted. [07:06] alsa plug makes pulseaudio eat 100% cpu [07:38] is there any way to get the jaunty wallpaper tray fade for intrepid? [07:41] coz_: tray? [07:42] crdlb, yeah I thought I read that the wallpaper fade is a tray applet I may be wrong [07:42] if you just mean the way nautilus fades between wallpaper icons, upgrading isn't really a fantastic idea [07:42] ok [07:42] understood [07:43] I have tried every script and application to fade desktop wallpaper one to the other with absolutely no success [07:43] there's no way to do it without nautilus doing it [07:44] unless you don't let nautilus manage the desktop (but I don't actually know of another desktop manager that does it) [07:44] crdlb, ok definitly understood :) [07:57] Seems there is a fade in effect between splash and desktop view in Kubuntu ... But this does not work here. Anybody know how to get this working again? === rww is now known as sexxxxxyrww === sexxxxxyrww is now known as rww [09:56] is there any place, where one can vote on ubuntu design? the new GDM theme must go. It is embarrassing! [09:56] try the art team, you could comment on the wiki aswell [09:59] black backgrounds are soooo outdated [09:59] humbolt: there is brainstorm as well, that idea is already up there. [09:59] who are we, a motercycle gang? [10:00] Yes, I know the voting on art idea is up there. But not implemented as it seems. [10:00] humbolt: well you are more then welcome to come up with a better login screen [10:00] it is an open group with a mailing list [10:00] I have seen such beautiful design studies, but they were never picked. [10:01] humbolt: then put them up as solutions to the brainstorm idea [10:01] hope this is not released like that [10:01] humbolt: and so far it is extremely likely that will be the final gdm screen [10:03] oh god, oh god, NO [10:03] the media will laugh about ubuntu! [10:03] who favoured this screen? [10:03] humbolt: its not like you are forced to use it, if you prefer an alternative then use it [10:03] I sense influence from the top here === _NeoBlaster is now known as neoblaster === neoblaster is now known as NeoBlaster [10:04] ziroday: Yes I am not forced to use it .... but think about Ubuntu's reputation. [10:04] The Distro has always been cutting edge but the design always sucked!!! [10:04] And now it is getting even worse! [10:05] so are you going to fix it by suggesting ideas or submitting artwork? [10:05] humbolt: you are more then welcome to contribute something to the art team if you don't like the current direction. You can vote on brainstorm ideas, but just because you don't like it doesn't mean its going to change [10:05] its not humbuntu [10:05] sure sure [10:06] and if by top you mean canonical then yes, they do decide the final artwork in ubuntu [10:06] just trying to make you aware, that a perfect technical job can be totally blown by bad industrial design of a product. [10:07] with top I mean mark shuttelworth [10:07] to name it [10:07] as the notification thingy is equally ugly [10:07] humbolt: thankfully you are not forced to use that design, this being linux/ubuntu you can change what you want. Its your computer [10:07] and that seems to come from him [10:07] ziroday: don't tell me, what is not up for discussion here [10:08] ziroday: I am talking about the impact on public opinion, not mine [10:08] anyhow [10:09] humbolt: as I said before, there is brainstorm and the ubuntu art team where you can submit alternatives :) [10:09] I want to vote on alternatives [10:09] hello [10:09] Not submit one [10:10] humbolt: well amazingly you can do that too on brainstorm [10:10] some one is familiar with jaunty and browser problem, mean that any want to start :) [10:11] and i dont se anything in logs [10:11] just hanging and dont start [10:11] firefox and opera [10:12] and konqueror tooo [10:14] and i have strange filing since 6.04 or earlier, cluser to release and more thinks dont work [10:16] hmmm [10:16] /tmp/.ICE-unix [10:16] all browsers have problem with write to this directory [10:16] there was 2 files i remove them and ... all goes ok [10:22] ziroday: amazingly there are not designs to vote on to be found on brainstorm. just ideas about voting on designs. [10:22] humbolt: then submit a design, or a design idea. [10:22] design idea: not black [10:33] Why is CFS so freaking slow? [11:07] Is USB-startup disc functioning normally for everyone? I'm not able to make a USB-stick, it gives me errror in the end, always [11:09] I have the same issue and if I remember correct there is already bug report too [11:09] Ah, good to know I'm not alone [11:14] is it possible to "upgrade" a ibex install to the latest jaunty alpha release? [11:16] pavs: yes, use "update-manager -d" [11:17] thanks :) [11:40] Why would debconf want to talk to gconf? I just got a couple of debconf GUI popups, accompanied by a "Failed to contact configuration server" error box [11:53] guys [11:53] where did the gconf entry for Update Notifier go??? [11:53] I don't see it! [11:53] I'm getting worried [11:53] btw guud morning === urkki is now known as Finnish [12:01] * BUGabundo sets the alarm clock to HIGH: WAKE UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP [12:23] hey folks, i've just installed Jaunty, how do i 1) get into root (i don't know the password apparently) and 2) get a gui? [12:35] ok, apparently it just wants me to use sudo, fine. [12:35] how do i install a GUI on jaunty? [12:36] my soundcard has several outputs and pulseaudio always uses the wrong output, how can i tell pulseaudio which output it should use? [12:37] IntuitiveNipple: hi, are you here? [12:38] does jaunty come with a GUI when installed? [12:40] 'afternoon thehook... did you make progress? [12:41] IntuitiveNipple: yes, i filed a bugreport as we spoke of yesterday, but i did not manage to subscribe you, the is no IntuitiveNipple on launchpad.. [12:41] Moult: Well, that'd depend on how it was installed and from what source. [12:41] thehook: "intuitivenipple" [12:42] IntuitiveNipple: i installed as a vm [12:42] i tried.. and search for both intuitive and nipple but no matches [12:42] but heres the link :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/336460 [12:42] Ubuntu bug 336460 in ubuntu-meta "Keyboard layout selection not saved while CLI" [Undecided,New] [12:43] Moult: do you have the "ubuntu-desktop" package installed? [12:43] Ng: no idea, i'm new to ubuntu and apt-get [12:43] Moult: that pulls in all of the default GUI stuff [12:43] Moult: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop [12:43] thehook: https://edge.launchpad.net/~intuitivenipple :) [12:44] how do I change keyboard layout in minimal install btw? im a bit spoiled and only used to setxkbmap.. [12:44] ok I'll try again [12:44] thehook: change it for the terminals? [12:44] Ng: error [12:44] Ng: some packages could not be installed, could be because... [12:44] IntuitiveNipple: aah, there it worked.. but yes for the terminal [12:45] Ng: depends on gnome-app-install [12:45] + and everything else [12:45] Moult: g-a-i should be installable fine at the moment [12:45] Moult: Jaunty is in development currently; it isn't really suitable for novices yet. [12:45] Ng: Depends: gnome-app-install but it is not going to be installed [12:46] IntuitiveNipple: i'm not a linux novice, if that's what you're asking, i'm just new to ubuntu. The main reason i'm using it is to test the latest kernel to see if it has support for a driver, because i can't get it working on my distro. [12:46] Moult: Did you install from the -server or -alternate disk images? [12:46] IntuitiveNipple: alternate disk images [12:46] Moult: that explains it :) [12:46] IntuitiveNipple: right. should i have chosen server? [12:47] Moult: What's the driver you're chasing? [12:47] IntuitiveNipple: what's the difference between them? (I didn't read in detail :P) [12:47] Moult: No, I was just trying to figure out which installer source you'd used since the live-CD installs the GUI :) [12:48] IntuitiveNipple: for webcam, should be inbuilt for USV support, but apparently though it now recognises the webcam it..."doesn't work", a bit hard to go into detail here :) [12:48] Moult: Alternate is for avoiding problems with a GUI install or making more customisations [12:48] IntuitiveNipple: right. where'd I find the ISO i'm looking for? [12:48] Moult: Server is for, well, servers - no GUI component, kernel tuned for ... servers :) [12:48] IntuitiveNipple: right. what am I looking for? [12:48] Moult: Which camera is it? Do you have the PCI Vendor:Device ID? [12:49] IntuitiveNipple: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 064e:a103 Suyin Corp. [12:49] :) [12:49] hang on, I'll search now [12:51] I can't find that ID in the modules maps; But if it is a UVC device it may match on other characteristics [12:52] * Moult cannot find the link to the Jaunty ISO download again [12:52] The cdimage servers are so slow I can't find it yet either [12:52] finally: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [12:53] IntuitiveNipple: out of curiosity, is there actually a way to find that link via the front page? [12:55] Moult: I don't think so since it's for developers [12:56] where is the keymap files located in ubuntu? [12:58] "man loadkeys" [12:58] IntuitiveNipple: right. downloading the desktop cd now [12:58] IntuitiveNipple: that should fix things up :) [13:01] Moult: Is the camera supposed to be UVC compliant? [13:01] IntuitiveNipple: i have, but i cant find the path, tried searching with locate as well, and google but all google say is that slackware has it in /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/ but that does not exist in ubuntu [13:02] IntuitiveNipple: yes [13:02] IntuitiveNipple: (built in btw) [13:02] IntuitiveNipple: at least that's what my google searches and lsusb -v messages show :) [13:03] thehook: Hmm, bug in documentation there then. Please report the bug :) (in package kbd) [13:03] thehook: "dpkg-query -L kbd" suggests /etc/kbd/ [13:04] * Moult brbs to do a math question :) [13:08] IntuitiveNipple: i can not remember what the exact name of my layout is either.. only config and remap in /etc/kbd/ [13:09] IntuitiveNipple: there must be more character maps than just us right? or is there another package maybe? [13:37] thehook: Did you solve the keyboard issue? I was just looking at "/etc/default/console-setup" which is generated, I think, from the console-setup package [13:38] IntuitiveNipple: nope, still no progress.. [13:47] thehook: Try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" [13:50] IntuitiveNipple: everything seems right there, and after just clicking through it now works :) [13:51] hmmm [13:51] I just used the defaulted values [14:00] IntuitiveNipple: now that i remember, the cli was changed a bit also graphically.. i remember the defaulted value when asked "detect keyboard map" was no, i remember this because i never understood why it's preferred to type 50 characters instead of selecting the keyboard from a list.. [14:00] its always been yes before [14:02] is it normal that jaunty's multi monitor support is completely broken at this point? [14:08] Multi-monitor is working fine (for me). Try being a bit more specific about your particular configuration [14:09] well, if I start an app from the menu or click a 2# [14:09] "places" shortcut the app/nautilus always opens on the main monitor [14:10] hardy worked fine, but intrepid already had the problems with the places shortcuts opening on the wrong screen [14:10] I'm using separated x screens [14:11] Are you using twinview or multiple X screens? [14:11] and when I move the mouse cursor from the side monitors to the main one, there is a copy of the cursor left on the edge of the screen [14:11] ok... same here, and I noticed that too... Thought it was just me imagining it though :) [14:11] separated x screens [14:11] RomD: Yes, I reported that too... are you using nvidia video driver? [14:11] yep [14:11] used the 180 [14:12] the duplicate mouse cursor is a problem with the nvidia driver so far as I can determine. [14:12] well it works fine in hardy [14:12] Looks like Nvidia have major issues with the 180.xx series so far. [14:12] except having a weird bug in the menu on my third screen [14:12] Maybe; but Hardy has a different X server [14:12] but otherwise the 180 driver works fine in hardy [14:13] you don't have the application starting on wrong monitor problem? [14:14] of course I could use DISPLAY=:0.1 in the terminal everytime [14:14] but it's annoying [14:16] Yes, I have been getting that. What is strange is *some* will start on the correct X screen and others won't unless the shortcut is prefixed with the DISPLAY= [14:19] I really hope they take care of that. multi montitor is really poor in linux compared to windows [14:19] it was way better in the days of xinerama [14:19] sure you had to hard conf your xorg [14:19] but it WORKED [14:19] I tried twinview and xinerama, but both caused problems [14:20] xinerama causes those ugly redraws and doesn't work with compiz [14:21] are you using intrepid IntuitiveNipple ? [14:21] Jaunty [14:22] did you have problems with the places shortcuts in intrepid? [14:22] with them opening on the main screen [14:22] instead of the one you clicked the menu entry on [14:23] RomD, compiz is annoying though :P [14:23] and yeah xinerama doesnt have direct rendering [14:23] by design [14:23] but i dont need it so i dont mind [14:23] theholyduck, wobbly windows :P [14:23] and other things [14:23] I haven't used Intrepid. [14:24] whenever I work on systems without wobbly windows, everything seems so rigid and undynamic [14:25] you really get used to it [14:25] it may be unnecessary eyecandy, but it's just more fun to work with [14:26] RomD, :P [14:26] i always use some minimalistic wm anyway [14:26] without desktop envs [14:26] wobbly make me sick [14:26] i like mey rigid windows with thin bars [14:37] hi,I have a question... [14:37] my jaunty boot error! [14:38] maybe the fstab is incorrected... [14:38] or because of my ext4 file system?... [14:38] or my bad apt source? [14:39] Is there someone can help me? [14:40] nick laputa === ubuntu_ is now known as laputa [14:40] well whats the problem/error? [14:41] as you know ,in fstab there is relatime,error=ro [14:41] yes [14:41] and my system is readonly [14:41] ok [14:41] so it must be error! [14:41] well change it [14:41] this is on your / partition? [14:42] I have five partitions. [14:42] oh [14:42] sorry [14:42] haha, i just woke up, havent even gotten my first cup of coffee [14:42] your drive is being mounted readonly, leading you to believe there's an error [14:42] but I will sleep later,hahaha... [14:43] my boot is ext2. [14:43] my root is ext4 [14:43] which drive has the ro flag? [14:43] the root partition [14:43] and the other partition is not mounted as expected. [14:44] k [14:44] check out /var/log/fsck/checkroot [14:44] any errors there? [14:44] let me see... [14:44] Is there a reason why the default Kubuntu Network management in jaunty doesn't do 802.1x? [14:44] im just going out on a limb trying to help you, i've never had this before [14:44] but that looks to be about the best place to start looking [14:45] laputa, my checkroot says the last check was clean so i imagine it would through you an error to that log [14:48]