| NCommander | hey all | 00:19 |
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| EL | I still got the same problem when I run ubuntu-arm on QEMU | 03:25 |
| EL | I press a key, then it output 'u'. | 03:25 |
| EL | I had used newest QEMU-0.9.1+SVN20081112 | 03:26 |
| EL | My linux kernel is: vmlinuz-2.6.28-versatile | 03:28 |
| EL | Any suggection? thanks | 03:28 |
| EL | Sorry, I fix my problem by add "-k en-us" to qemu-system-arm command. :) | 03:49 |
| * lool just got the pun with "sheeva" | 08:22 | |
| * lool is slow | 08:22 | |
| EL | ha | 08:41 |
| EL | hi lool | 08:41 |
| EL | what's the clock of sheeva? | 08:42 |
| lool | EL: It's on the marvell page; 1.2 GHz | 08:43 |
| EL | see | 08:45 |
| EL | One Question: Is ubuntu-arm too fat to run on modern ARM chip? | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | i have ubuntu base system running on a nokia 770 .. :P (not with GNOME, though) | 08:56 |
| EL | I means "ubuntu-desktop" on ARM | 08:57 |
| EL | Another Question: what is biggest problem for ubuntu-desktop on ARM? | 08:59 |
| suihkulokki | memory (RAM) consumption :P | 09:01 |
| EL | Agree. Maybe, we need a ubuntu-desktop-lite. | 09:05 |
| EL | So, is ubuntu-mid a better solution? | 09:05 |
| lool | EL: It's lighter, but didn't receive much care in Ubuntu recently | 09:07 |
| lool | EL: "modern" ARM chips as you say are quite fast and often come with a lot of memory; depends on what you're exactly targetting | 09:07 |
| EL | but you said that sheeva is slow for running ubuntu-desktop | 09:08 |
| EL | It has 1.2GHz clock! | 09:09 |
| EL | I like arm-version netbook solution. fanless, low-cost, lower power-consuming | 09:14 |
| suihkulokki | I don't think anyone said sheeva is too slow for ubuntu-desktop | 09:15 |
| * lool didn't say that | 09:16 | |
| lool | EL: GNOME is decent on 800 MHz cores | 09:16 |
| lool | With 512 MB of RAM though | 09:16 |
| EL | ok, I may misunderstand. | 09:18 |
| EL | Does ARMEL mean "ARM Little endian"? | 09:28 |
| lool | Yes | 09:49 |
| lool | Alebit the "arm" port was also le | 09:49 |
| EL | thanks | 09:52 |
| EL | If I need cross-compile for ARM on x86, where can I get a fine toolchain? | 10:33 |
| ogra | EL, see the rootfs from scratch page in the topic | 10:34 |
| ogra | use qemu | 10:34 |
| EL | for compiling? | 10:35 |
| ogra | for an environment in which you can develop, compile and test | 10:35 |
| EL | I think so, but it's a little slow. | 10:36 |
| ogra | what do you plan to develop ? | 10:37 |
| ogra | kernel stuff or something more top level ? | 10:37 |
| EL | kernel | 10:37 |
| ogra | ah, right, for that a cross compiler is indeed a good choice, our prob is that many people ask for a cross compile toochain stuff for userspace development so my general asnwer is qemu ;) | 10:38 |
| EL | got it | 10:39 |
| ogra | in userspace you need a ton of dependencies first built for the cross toolchain, which we dont want to provide | 10:39 |
| EL | So for a cross-compiler, do you have any suggection? | 10:39 |
| * ogra looks for amitk's blog, he had a howto for a kernel toolchain | 10:39 | |
| ogra | (and i belive lool works on something more integrated but i dont know the status) | 10:40 |
| lool | status is I made good progress to pass the point where I was stuck | 10:40 |
| lool | But I keep quiet about it because I don't want to set high expectations from other people | 10:40 |
| EL | :) | 10:41 |
| EL | good policy! | 10:41 |
| lool | I likely found the reason of the newlib and glibc FTBFS-es I was getting and am likely to have something working soon | 10:41 |
| * lool & | 10:41 | |
| ogra | EL, http://idlethread.blogspot.com/2009/01/recipe-of-day-cross-compiling-armel.html | 10:41 |
| EL | thanks | 10:41 |
| lool | Right, the codesourcery toolchain works right now | 10:42 |
| lool | Or the emdebian one for debian | 10:42 |
| ogra | yeah | 10:42 |
| EL | I think there are many toolchain for arm. | 10:42 |
| EL | So I need a suggected one, ha. | 10:43 |
| EL | In other words, which one is better? | 10:43 |
| ogra | the tested one usually ;) | 10:44 |
| ogra | amitk is our current arm kernel maintainer in ubuntu, he should know what he recomments :) | 10:45 |
| ogra | so just follow his howto and you should be fine for now | 10:45 |
| EL | ya, It's what I need. | 10:45 |
| EL | thank you very much! | 10:45 |
| EL | :) | 10:45 |
| ogra | :) | 10:46 |
| === ogra_ is now known as ogra | ||
| lool | ogra: Did you see #336770 | 16:42 |
| lool | I guess so since you're subscribed | 16:42 |
| lool | ogra: Could you debug and see whether it's a hwclock, installer, or kernel issue? or perhaps it's out of RAM at this stage again? | 16:43 |
| ogra | bug 336770 | 16:43 |
| lool | No bot | 16:43 |
| ogra | grr | 16:43 |
| lool | Not sure I terribly like having bugs subscribed to canonical-arm-dev | 16:44 |
| ogra | ah, andy just subscribed me | 16:44 |
| ogra | unsubscribe it, i'll assign to me, i meant to look into that anyway | 16:45 |
| ogra | he sent a mail already | 16:45 |
| lool | Thanks | 16:45 |
| ogra | i dont see flash-kernel in the d-i environment, i suspect it has to do wit it | 16:46 |
| ogra | it cant run out of ram at that point | 16:46 |
| ogra | as soon as partitioning is done there is swap | 16:46 |
| ogra | partman moans loudly if you dont use swap | 16:46 |
| lool | Good point | 16:49 |
| Tscheesy | ogra: still the same building error - hal won't restart in latest Kubuntu-Root-fs | 17:17 |
| ogra | Tscheesy, thats very very weird, i have built multiple ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop and commandline rootfses since | 17:28 |
| ogra | and never saw that error | 17:28 |
| Tscheesy | it's perhaps because KDE4.2 is not Ready Yet? | 17:29 |
| Tscheesy | is there a possibiltity to build the Image anyway and try to repair it later? | 17:30 |
| ogra | build a commandline image | 17:31 |
| ogra | then install kubuntu-desktop on the running system | 17:31 |
| Tscheesy | good idea.. is this ubuntu-minimal ? | 17:32 |
| ogra | yep | 17:33 |
| Tscheesy | thanks.. this way i get into qemu also.. | 17:33 |
| lool | NCommander, ogra: new kexec-tools merged | 18:05 |
| ogra | yippie | 18:05 |
| ogra | that took a while :) | 18:05 |
| NCommander | yay | 18:08 |
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