| alex_mayorga1 | !shiretoko | 00:08 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about shiretoko | 00:08 |
| alex_mayorga1 | !nightly | 00:09 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about nightly | 00:09 |
| alex_mayorga1 | !daily | 00:09 |
| ubottu | Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 00:09 |
| BUGabundo | most of us are a sleep | 00:09 |
| BUGabundo | don't make too much noise | 00:09 |
| alex_mayorga1 | sorry :( | 00:09 |
| BUGabundo | np,, just kidding with you | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo | Mon Mar 2 00:10:44 WET 2009 | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo | !time | 00:10 |
| ubottu | Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP) | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo | !now | 00:11 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about now | 00:11 |
| alex_mayorga1 | how to test nightly shiretoko builds in Ubuntu | 00:13 |
| BUGabundo | with the daily ppa I mentioned | 00:14 |
| alex_mayorga1 | BUGabundo, thanks | 00:23 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| * asac back from the dead~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ | 08:30 | |
| asac | (with lots of crap letters ;)) | 08:30 |
| asac | fta: python 2.6 is the default in ubuntu now | 08:32 |
| asac | fta: can you look in syslog whether your usb device is detected through hal or udev? | 08:36 |
| fta | asac, could you get me the recipe on how to debug my SIM issue? (where it's unusable until i put it in in a xp box. | 09:50 |
| asac | fta: what driver is that again? hso? | 09:51 |
| fta | how do i check that? | 09:52 |
| fta | asac, glad to see you're back, btw ;) | 09:53 |
| * asac too | 09:53 | |
| asac | but i am still sick. not sure what kind of flu that was, but i am sure if i was 30 years older i could have ended up dead | 09:53 |
| asac | fta: you see the driver in the syslog | 09:53 |
| asac | fta: when you plug in the device NM spits out the info | 09:54 |
| * gnomefreak be back before i toss this pc out window | 09:57 | |
| fta | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/125188/ ? | 10:01 |
| asac | fta: Feb 28 14:59:31 voyager NetworkManager: <info> ttyUSB0: driver is 'option'. | 10:03 |
| asac | thats the driver line ;) | 10:03 |
| asac | so you have an option modem | 10:03 |
| asac | fta: which NM version is that? | 10:04 |
| gnomefreak | this is starting to really frigging get to me :( see following lines for mosr info | 10:05 |
| gnomefreak | dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of 'seamonkey-2.0-2.0~b1~hg20090228r2104+nobinonly/mozilla/mozilla/security/coreconf/outofdate.pl' will not be represented in diff | 10:05 |
| gnomefreak | a shit load of those some are errors | 10:05 |
| fta | asac, 0.7.1~rc1+20090220-0ubuntu1 | 10:06 |
| gnomefreak | i tried autoconf-2.13 and it is still like that | 10:06 |
| asac | fta: dpkg -L network-manager | grep probe | 10:07 |
| asac | do you get anything there? or was that a version with the external prober still | 10:07 |
| fta | nada | 10:08 |
| fta | i have to run, we'll continue later | 10:09 |
| asac | fta: just paste lshal output ;) | 10:09 |
| asac | then go away | 10:09 |
| === beDrung is now known as bdrung | ||
| * gnomefreak gives up this peice of shit will not build no matter what i do. Im going to leave and maybe come back when i calm down its been ~5 days. | 11:46 | |
| asac | what was gnomefreak doing? | 11:51 |
| asac | oh ... he htought the warnings were errors ;) | 11:51 |
| asac | fun | 11:51 |
| asac | sent mail to him | 11:53 |
| asac | ok now lunchtime i guess | 11:53 |
| BUGabundo | guud morning | 11:53 |
| BUGabundo | hi asac | 11:53 |
| BUGabundo | feeling better? | 11:54 |
| asac | a bit | 11:54 |
| asac | still have a cold, but not this massive flu anymore | 11:54 |
| asac | i guess i have to be careful to not fall back | 11:54 |
| BUGabundo | good | 11:54 |
| BUGabundo | yes | 11:54 |
| BUGabundo | that's important | 11:54 |
| asac | so doing regular lunch for the moment :) ... bbl | 11:55 |
| BUGabundo | bye | 11:56 |
| fta2 | asac, which version of gwibber do you have? | 12:26 |
| asac | fta2: latest in archive | 12:37 |
| asac | fta2: do oyu have pythong 2.6 as default already? | 12:37 |
| fta2 | oh ok. the dailies are fine. should I respin the one in universe? | 12:37 |
| asac | fta2: well. current thing is not installable because of webkit | 12:38 |
| asac | so if latest gwibber drops webkit depends then probably uploda that | 12:38 |
| asac | of course latest packaging (not snapshot ;)) | 12:38 |
| asac | otherwise fixing webkit would be great | 12:38 |
| asac | i looked for a few minutes this weekend, but it was too messy | 12:39 |
| asac | i guess it should use python-support ... which it doesnt | 12:39 |
| fta2 | there's probably a bug about that | 12:55 |
| james_w | it's currently blocked by a python-gobject bug | 13:10 |
| asac | yeah gobject sounds familiar | 13:14 |
| asac | jcastro: couldnt you convince gwibber folks to come to freenode with their channel? | 13:33 |
| asac | i mean, ubuntu seems to be kind of a major supporter for them ;) | 13:34 |
| asac | having them on the same server helps to bring our communities closer together | 13:34 |
| fta2 | i concur, i didn't join them just because if that | 13:36 |
| fta2 | -if+of | 13:43 |
| asac | ;) | 13:44 |
| asac | good that we agree | 13:44 |
| asac | fta2: dented | 13:46 |
| asac | or not | 13:46 |
| asac | now dented ;) | 13:47 |
| asac | http://identi.ca/notice/2562642 | 13:47 |
| asac | fta2: have you read leanns mail to devel-announce? | 13:56 |
| fta2 | hm, not sure | 13:57 |
| fta2 | when? | 13:57 |
| asac | fta2: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000542.html | 13:57 |
| asac | thats really great | 13:57 |
| asac | finally no endless kernel spins here to just test latest rc | 13:57 |
| asac | or to test unpatched vanilla kernel | 13:57 |
| fta2 | well, i usually don't touch the kernel. well, at least, not anymore since i'm using ubuntu. debian was another matter | 14:10 |
| asac | heh | 14:11 |
| fta2 | you can also run the vanilla gnome | 14:16 |
| fta2 | thanks to pitti | 14:16 |
| jcastro | asac: yeah he's just being annoying, I bother him about it all the time | 14:18 |
| asac | jcastro: heh ;). maybe it needs to come from multiple sides ;) | 14:31 |
| asac | thats why i dented | 14:32 |
| asac | jcastro: is he an arstechnica guy? | 14:34 |
| jcastro | asac: yeah | 14:34 |
| jcastro | he writes their linux column | 14:34 |
| asac | ok. was the only rational i could come up with | 14:34 |
| asac | nice | 14:34 |
| fta2 | asac, how could I debug the issues i have with my 3G SIMs becoming unusable? | 14:43 |
| fta2 | other that the usual logs which are not very informative about that | 14:44 |
| fta2 | -that+than | 14:44 |
| asac | fta2: well. i would hope its just using the wrong port | 14:44 |
| asac | fta2: lshal |pastebinit .. | 14:44 |
| fta2 | the key is not plugged in right now :( | 14:45 |
| asac | thats a prob ;) | 14:45 |
| asac | fta2: plug it in | 14:45 |
| asac | fta2: also install udev-extras (remove it afterwards again a it adds other stuff you dont want) | 14:45 |
| asac | fta2: and run the modem prober against your ttyUSBX sysfs entries | 14:45 |
| fta2 | physically impossible, i need a teleporter | 14:46 |
| asac | and see if you get positive GSM detection on more than one | 14:46 |
| asac | fta2: the key is small enough to take it with you ;) ... even when going by bike | 14:46 |
| asac | jk | 14:46 |
| fta2 | i have the key with me, not the laptop | 14:46 |
| asac | heh | 14:46 |
| asac | fta2: as long as you have jaunty it shouldnt really matter | 14:47 |
| asac | fta2: so you said 9 out of 10 times it fails | 14:47 |
| fta2 | yes | 14:47 |
| asac | is that 10 replugs? | 14:47 |
| asac | or ten clicks in applet? | 14:47 |
| fta2 | 10 replugs | 14:47 |
| asac | fta2: yeah. i would really think its the wrong port then | 14:47 |
| asac | and you are just lucky the 10th time that hal has a race and gives you different numbering or something | 14:48 |
| fta2 | but reboot + restart of nm helped. but it's another issue, unrelated to my SIM | 14:48 |
| asac | fta2: reboot + restart == OR ? | 14:48 |
| asac | or AND= | 14:50 |
| asac | ? | 14:50 |
| fta2 | problem A: a SIM is suddenly unusable, problem B: i plug the key, n-m is not able to use it at all (not even a connection attempt), nm restart and replug don't help, only reboot *and* restart nm help | 14:51 |
| fta2 | s | 14:51 |
| fta2 | of course, B is not with the same SIM as A | 14:51 |
| fta2 | but A already occured twice, with 2 different SIMs | 14:52 |
| asac | fta2: what i never had (and which i dont really understand) is a SIM lock thing | 14:56 |
| asac | fta2: what do you need to do on windows to unluck? | 14:56 |
| asac | enter your "normal" pin? | 14:56 |
| asac | unlock | 14:57 |
| asac | ;) | 14:57 |
| fta2 | on windows, when you 1st plug the key, there's a software inside the key that is magically installed. i just start that software to get connected. that's it. nothing else. | 14:58 |
| asac | fta2: so you do that once ... and then you just put the key in linux and it works? | 14:59 |
| fta2 | yes | 14:59 |
| asac | fta2: if you start with a new connectionconfiguration, do you get asked for the SIM pin? | 14:59 |
| fta2 | i never tried that, i'm kind of new /w 3G on linux ;) | 15:00 |
| asac | fta2: how did you get the PIN configured then? | 15:02 |
| fta2 | it's the default 0000 | 15:02 |
| fta2 | n-m asked it to me once, now, after a reboot, it asks me to unlock the key ring, but never asks me for the pin directly | 15:03 |
| fta2 | james_w, do we have a bug # for python-gobject, holding python-webkitgtk ? | 16:22 |
| james_w | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573753 | 16:22 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 573753 in codegen "DeprecationWarning under python 2.6" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 16:22 |
| fta2 | thanks | 16:26 |
| BUGabundo | hi guys | 16:26 |
| fta2 | hi | 16:28 |
| fta2 | BUGabundo, what was your AHHH about? | 16:28 |
| BUGabundo | humm guess you last dent | 16:29 |
| BUGabundo | ahh the chinese chars | 16:29 |
| fta2 | it was japanese | 16:29 |
| BUGabundo | or that! | 16:29 |
| BUGabundo | to us ignorant ocidental | 16:29 |
| BUGabundo | they all look the same | 16:29 |
| fta2 | it roughly meant that you need to sleep from time to time to keep your body in a good shape | 16:30 |
| BUGabundo | ahh | 16:31 |
| BUGabundo | great | 16:31 |
| BUGabundo | once or twice a week will do | 16:31 |
| BUGabundo | great news! just got hired! start tomorrow | 16:31 |
| BUGabundo | so no more nagging you guys all day | 16:31 |
| fta2 | congrats :) | 16:32 |
| fta2 | what is your new job about? | 16:32 |
| BUGabundo | sys admin | 16:33 |
| BUGabundo | will setup a few new servers and maintain them for web portal | 16:33 |
| BUGabundo | plus helpdesk for remote clients | 16:33 |
| BUGabundo | not that good paycheck, much less then the last one, but hey, at least I won't be at home scratching my balls | 16:34 |
| fta2 | lol | 16:50 |
| BUGabundo | fta all of the sudden that addon got back working again | 17:03 |
| BUGabundo | after todays daily updates | 17:03 |
| BUGabundo | guess something was reverted! | 17:03 |
| fta2 | donno, i no longer have time to follow the moz commits | 17:06 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 17:08 |
| * asac testing NM (off ) | 18:16 | |
| === fabrice_sp_ is now known as fabrice_sp | ||
| plun | hi all | 19:15 |
| asac | hi plun | 19:16 |
| plun | Thunderbird again.... ;) | 19:16 |
| plun | Lightning support ??? | 19:16 |
| plun | "Lightning" could not be installed because it is not compatible with your Shredder build type (Linux_x86_64-gcc3). Please contact the author of this item about the problem. | 19:17 |
| asac | plun: i dont think we build sunbird/lighting for tbird 3 yet | 19:19 |
| asac | plun: if you downloaded an xpi you are out of luck | 19:19 |
| asac | they probabyl dont have amd64 builds | 19:19 |
| plun | Yup, the xpi works OK for nightly build | 19:20 |
| plun | TB2 package >>>> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/lightning-extension | 19:20 |
| asac | yes | 19:22 |
| asac | thats tb2 | 19:22 |
| plun | asac: please take a look at TB3 when someone have a minute over... ;) | 19:22 |
| asac | i think lightning should nowadays be produced by the tbird 3 package | 19:22 |
| asac | i will add that to our todos | 19:22 |
| plun | Great ! ;) | 19:22 |
| plun | asac: still around ? | 19:34 |
| asac | no contentless pings please | 19:35 |
| plun | This one and Disabling ZeroCD >>> http://www.pharscape.org/networkmanager-0.7.0-and-3g-wwan-modems.html | 19:35 |
| plun | Possible to block it smarter ? | 19:35 |
| plun | In this situation you need to install ozerocdoff which in combinations with udev rules will automatically disable the ZeroCD whenever you plug the device in. | 19:36 |
| plun | I can file a bug if you sees any meaning wiith it | 19:37 |
| asac | which driver? | 19:37 |
| asac | hso? option? | 19:37 |
| asac | all this has to be fixed in drivers ffiw | 19:37 |
| plun | Yes | 19:37 |
| asac | a few drivers should already work | 19:38 |
| asac | plun: what yes? | 19:38 |
| asac | yes option or hso? | 19:38 |
| plun | hso option | 19:38 |
| asac | plun: so hso | 19:38 |
| plun | Option uses hso | 19:38 |
| asac | no ... there is a hso driver and an option driver | 19:38 |
| asac | hso is mostly fixed | 19:38 |
| asac | there are a few patches pending upstream | 19:38 |
| asac | please test them | 19:38 |
| asac | and modifiy if they suite you | 19:39 |
| plun | I have it working on my portable.... | 19:39 |
| asac | but your device is not listed in unusual devices | 19:39 |
| plun | will test ;) | 19:39 |
| asac | plun: with the patches | 19:39 |
| asac | ? | 19:39 |
| plun | Yeaah.. I can look for them.... | 19:39 |
| asac | plun: https://lists.one-eyed-alien.net/pipermail/usb-storage/2009-January/004499.html | 19:39 |
| asac | plun: maybe you just need something like in patch 3/3 for your device | 19:39 |
| asac | please check | 19:39 |
| asac | the other two patches should be ok in general | 19:40 |
| plun | Ok.. thanks | 19:40 |
| asac | but you might not need them | 19:40 |
| plun | Well... the disabling zero is enough... then it works... | 19:41 |
| plun | ZeroCD | 19:41 |
| asac | plun: i dont want to know about that | 19:42 |
| asac | plun: just try the patches | 19:42 |
| asac | i just say that patch 3/3 might be enough if your product id was not yet added | 19:42 |
| asac | but most likely you need all three ;) | 19:42 |
| plun | OK.... about ZeroCd "Ozerocdoff - an improved ZeroCD switching utility" >> http://www.pharscape.org/ozerocdoff.html | 19:44 |
| plun | Will test ;) | 19:44 |
| asac | i dont care about that ;) | 19:46 |
| asac | i only want driver solution | 19:46 |
| asac | user space for this sucks too much ;) | 19:46 |
| plun | Ok... I have this one Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0af0:6971 Option | 19:48 |
| asac | plun: how does the mass storage show up? | 19:50 |
| asac | because afaiu, thats what needs to be added like here: https://lists.one-eyed-alien.net/pipermail/usb-storage/2009-January/004498.html | 19:50 |
| fta | asac, did you hear about Wan-Teh from google? he was supposed to contact you /wrt nss in hardy. nss32 to be precise. | 19:50 |
| asac | plun: so dont run the zero thing | 19:50 |
| asac | fta: yes already answered two mails | 19:51 |
| plun | asac: one ref is to this >> http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ | 19:51 |
| plun | OK reading more ;) | 19:51 |
| fta | asac, is that public? | 19:51 |
| asac | plun: check how the storage thing shows up | 19:51 |
| asac | fta: no ... it was not really much | 19:51 |
| asac | he wanted to know whether we get newer nss in intrepid | 19:51 |
| asac | also wanted to know about ia32libs | 19:52 |
| fta | intrepid? | 19:52 |
| asac | i asked him how we can help him for the hardy situation | 19:52 |
| asac | fta: yes intrepid ia32libs seems broken too | 19:52 |
| fta | http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/d3f6b7f4eadb43a3/b72e8611e3e63d0e | 19:52 |
| asac | (jaunty as well) | 19:52 |
| fta | http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/d3f6b7f4eadb43a3 | 19:52 |
| fta | that's just a recent thread but it's a recurring story | 19:53 |
| asac | yeah | 19:53 |
| asac | hardy is the other half | 19:53 |
| asac | i am unsure how we can help him there | 19:53 |
| asac | release managers signaled that they dont want to add new libs "just as it would be nice for someone" | 19:53 |
| asac | so we can either make an official archive or provide the intrepid package in backports | 19:54 |
| asac | i guess the latte rmight make sense. i am waiting for his reply | 19:54 |
| fta | yeah. i wanted to solve this mess: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuild64Bit but apparently, their primary target is hardy and i can't do anything there, except PPAs | 19:55 |
| asac | nobody can do more. i asked them to participate proactively | 19:57 |
| asac | i mean ... i can try to get those nss things into hardy | 19:57 |
| asac | but i need a good reason ;) | 19:57 |
| asac | better than "chromium needs this for their devs" | 19:58 |
| fta | yeah, i understand that. but i doubt there's more to say about this | 20:00 |
| fta | !seen dtchen | 20:10 |
| ubottu | I have no seen command | 20:10 |
| asac | !seen | 20:16 |
| ubottu | I have no seen command | 20:16 |
| asac | !seen seen ;) | 20:16 |
| marquinos | Hi! | 20:18 |
| asac | ola | 20:18 |
| marquinos | :D | 20:18 |
| marquinos | Hi asac | 20:18 |
| marquinos | I like tell you that the asturian translation is very fine | 20:18 |
| marquinos | (we're used it more months, and the translation is fine) :) | 20:19 |
| marquinos | Please, can you update this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/309312 | 20:20 |
| marquinos | :D | 20:20 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 309312 in langpack-o-matic "make po2xpi aware of per-release whitelists (Was: Please update asturian translation)" [Undecided,In progress] | 20:20 |
| marquinos | asac, | 20:20 |
| marquinos | it will be a dream for Jaunty :D | 20:20 |
| marquinos | that we can had Ubuntu in asturian :D | 20:20 |
| marquinos | I must go | 20:39 |
| marquinos | good bye! | 20:39 |
| fta | asac, is dpkg-source broken for you too? | 20:47 |
| asac | fta: does it use python ;)? | 20:50 |
| fta | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/125469/ | 20:50 |
| fta | asac, yesterday and now | 20:50 |
| fta | asac, that's bzr bd --merge, bzr is in python | 20:51 |
| asac | fta: yeah. its broken python | 20:51 |
| fta | asac, same for all packages my bot builds | 20:51 |
| asac | fta: you are the thrid that bumped into it today ;) | 20:51 |
| asac | after me and then mvo | 20:51 |
| asac | workaround is to run bzr with python2.5 | 20:51 |
| asac | james_w is on it ... so its just a matter of time | 20:52 |
| fta | hm, ok | 20:52 |
| asac | fta: i manually removed /usr/bin/python | 20:52 |
| asac | and linked it to 2.5 for the time being | 20:52 |
| asac | fta: the problem is that builddeb somehow unpacks the tarball with the wrong top level dir | 20:52 |
| fta | i really wonder why this migration happens so late in the cycle | 20:52 |
| asac | probably because doko was late ;) | 20:53 |
| asac | i assume he had a bunch of things to do with java | 20:53 |
| asac | its 10 days after FF ... so its still in line i would think | 20:53 |
| asac | of course quite late for such a transition | 20:53 |
| asac | but well ;) | 20:53 |
| asac | there are always things to complain | 20:54 |
| fta | who needs java anyway? ;) | 20:54 |
| Nafallo | fta: asac. he'll re-write wpa-supplicant in it. | 20:54 |
| Nafallo | ;-) | 20:54 |
| asac | how about using it for update-manager ;) | 20:55 |
| asac | maybe we can save some resources | 20:55 |
| asac | using "swing" toolkit ;) | 20:56 |
| * Nafallo didn't know asac wrote update-manager :-P | 20:56 | |
| asac | i would have written it in C | 20:56 |
| asac | ;) | 20:56 |
| asac | i am quite annoyed by all those resource hungry python apps that run on my desktop | 20:57 |
| asac | unfortunately the most hungry things are mozilla apps still ;) | 20:57 |
| Nafallo | asac: how about assembler then? ;-) | 20:57 |
| asac | i think assembler doesnt help much ;) | 20:57 |
| asac | at least compared to the amount of work it takes | 20:57 |
| Nafallo | haha | 20:57 |
| asac | C wouldnt have been that harder for update manager ;) | 20:58 |
| asac | maybe twice as long ... but good enough win | 20:58 |
| asac | another idea would be to not use glade ;) | 20:58 |
| Nafallo | I think you kind of forgot a word that made those two sentances quite extremely funny :-P | 20:58 |
| asac | lol | 20:59 |
| asac | anyone tried the indicator panel yet? | 21:01 |
| asac | er applet ;) | 21:01 |
| asac | funny enough i dont have it instlaled ;) | 21:01 |
| fta | I too would prefer to have most of the stuff on my desktop written in C instead of python | 21:04 |
| BUGabundo | eeeh | 21:06 |
| fta | just dropped python 2.6 as default, too buggy | 21:11 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 21:13 |
| asac | fta: you relinked right? | 21:16 |
| fta | yes | 21:16 |
| asac | fta: take care that you need to fix link before you upgrade any python package ;) | 21:16 |
| asac | otherwise the postinst will fail ;) | 21:17 |
| asac | i ran into that today alredy | 21:17 |
| fta | i had to manually fix my bot. bzr fucked up all the branches :P | 21:27 |
| asac | lol | 21:32 |
| asac | thats how it is ;) | 21:32 |
| asac | me tries something | 22:52 |
| fta | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/125513/ | 22:59 |
| fta | THUNDERBIRD_2_0_0_21_BUILD1 | 23:23 |
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