[00:08] !shiretoko [00:08] Sorry, I don't know anything about shiretoko [00:09] !nightly [00:09] Sorry, I don't know anything about nightly [00:09] !daily [00:09] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [00:09] most of us are a sleep [00:09] don't make too much noise [00:09] sorry :( [00:10] np,, just kidding with you [00:10] Mon Mar 2 00:10:44 WET 2009 [00:10] !time [00:10] Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP) [00:11] !now [00:11] Sorry, I don't know anything about now [00:13] how to test nightly shiretoko builds in Ubuntu [00:14] with the daily ppa I mentioned [00:23] BUGabundo, thanks === asac_ is now known as asac [08:30] * asac back from the dead~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ [08:30] (with lots of crap letters ;)) [08:32] fta: python 2.6 is the default in ubuntu now [08:36] fta: can you look in syslog whether your usb device is detected through hal or udev? [09:50] asac, could you get me the recipe on how to debug my SIM issue? (where it's unusable until i put it in in a xp box. [09:51] fta: what driver is that again? hso? [09:52] how do i check that? [09:53] asac, glad to see you're back, btw ;) [09:53] * asac too [09:53] but i am still sick. not sure what kind of flu that was, but i am sure if i was 30 years older i could have ended up dead [09:53] fta: you see the driver in the syslog [09:54] fta: when you plug in the device NM spits out the info [09:57] * gnomefreak be back before i toss this pc out window [10:01] asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/125188/ ? [10:03] fta: Feb 28 14:59:31 voyager NetworkManager: ttyUSB0: driver is 'option'. [10:03] thats the driver line ;) [10:03] so you have an option modem [10:04] fta: which NM version is that? [10:05] this is starting to really frigging get to me :( see following lines for mosr info [10:05] dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of 'seamonkey-2.0-2.0~b1~hg20090228r2104+nobinonly/mozilla/mozilla/security/coreconf/outofdate.pl' will not be represented in diff [10:05] a shit load of those some are errors [10:06] asac, 0.7.1~rc1+20090220-0ubuntu1 [10:06] i tried autoconf-2.13 and it is still like that [10:07] fta: dpkg -L network-manager | grep probe [10:07] do you get anything there? or was that a version with the external prober still [10:08] nada [10:09] i have to run, we'll continue later [10:09] fta: just paste lshal output ;) [10:09] then go away === beDrung is now known as bdrung [11:46] * gnomefreak gives up this peice of shit will not build no matter what i do. Im going to leave and maybe come back when i calm down its been ~5 days. [11:51] what was gnomefreak doing? [11:51] oh ... he htought the warnings were errors ;) [11:51] fun [11:53] sent mail to him [11:53] ok now lunchtime i guess [11:53] guud morning [11:53] hi asac [11:54] feeling better? [11:54] a bit [11:54] still have a cold, but not this massive flu anymore [11:54] i guess i have to be careful to not fall back [11:54] good [11:54] yes [11:54] that's important [11:55] so doing regular lunch for the moment :) ... bbl [11:56] bye [12:26] asac, which version of gwibber do you have? [12:37] fta2: latest in archive [12:37] fta2: do oyu have pythong 2.6 as default already? [12:37] oh ok. the dailies are fine. should I respin the one in universe? [12:38] fta2: well. current thing is not installable because of webkit [12:38] so if latest gwibber drops webkit depends then probably uploda that [12:38] of course latest packaging (not snapshot ;)) [12:38] otherwise fixing webkit would be great [12:39] i looked for a few minutes this weekend, but it was too messy [12:39] i guess it should use python-support ... which it doesnt [12:55] there's probably a bug about that [13:10] it's currently blocked by a python-gobject bug [13:14] yeah gobject sounds familiar [13:33] jcastro: couldnt you convince gwibber folks to come to freenode with their channel? [13:34] i mean, ubuntu seems to be kind of a major supporter for them ;) [13:34] having them on the same server helps to bring our communities closer together [13:36] i concur, i didn't join them just because if that [13:43] -if+of [13:44] ;) [13:44] good that we agree [13:46] fta2: dented [13:46] or not [13:47] now dented ;) [13:47] http://identi.ca/notice/2562642 [13:56] fta2: have you read leanns mail to devel-announce? [13:57] hm, not sure [13:57] when? [13:57] fta2: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000542.html [13:57] thats really great [13:57] finally no endless kernel spins here to just test latest rc [13:57] or to test unpatched vanilla kernel [14:10] well, i usually don't touch the kernel. well, at least, not anymore since i'm using ubuntu. debian was another matter [14:11] heh [14:16] you can also run the vanilla gnome [14:16] thanks to pitti [14:18] asac: yeah he's just being annoying, I bother him about it all the time [14:31] jcastro: heh ;). maybe it needs to come from multiple sides ;) [14:32] thats why i dented [14:34] jcastro: is he an arstechnica guy? [14:34] asac: yeah [14:34] he writes their linux column [14:34] ok. was the only rational i could come up with [14:34] nice [14:43] asac, how could I debug the issues i have with my 3G SIMs becoming unusable? [14:44] other that the usual logs which are not very informative about that [14:44] -that+than [14:44] fta2: well. i would hope its just using the wrong port [14:44] fta2: lshal |pastebinit .. [14:45] the key is not plugged in right now :( [14:45] thats a prob ;) [14:45] fta2: plug it in [14:45] fta2: also install udev-extras (remove it afterwards again a it adds other stuff you dont want) [14:45] fta2: and run the modem prober against your ttyUSBX sysfs entries [14:46] physically impossible, i need a teleporter [14:46] and see if you get positive GSM detection on more than one [14:46] fta2: the key is small enough to take it with you ;) ... even when going by bike [14:46] jk [14:46] i have the key with me, not the laptop [14:46] heh [14:47] fta2: as long as you have jaunty it shouldnt really matter [14:47] fta2: so you said 9 out of 10 times it fails [14:47] yes [14:47] is that 10 replugs? [14:47] or ten clicks in applet? [14:47] 10 replugs [14:47] fta2: yeah. i would really think its the wrong port then [14:48] and you are just lucky the 10th time that hal has a race and gives you different numbering or something [14:48] but reboot + restart of nm helped. but it's another issue, unrelated to my SIM [14:48] fta2: reboot + restart == OR ? [14:50] or AND= [14:50] ? [14:51] problem A: a SIM is suddenly unusable, problem B: i plug the key, n-m is not able to use it at all (not even a connection attempt), nm restart and replug don't help, only reboot *and* restart nm help [14:51] s [14:51] of course, B is not with the same SIM as A [14:52] but A already occured twice, with 2 different SIMs [14:56] fta2: what i never had (and which i dont really understand) is a SIM lock thing [14:56] fta2: what do you need to do on windows to unluck? [14:56] enter your "normal" pin? [14:57] unlock [14:57] ;) [14:58] on windows, when you 1st plug the key, there's a software inside the key that is magically installed. i just start that software to get connected. that's it. nothing else. [14:59] fta2: so you do that once ... and then you just put the key in linux and it works? [14:59] yes [14:59] fta2: if you start with a new connectionconfiguration, do you get asked for the SIM pin? [15:00] i never tried that, i'm kind of new /w 3G on linux ;) [15:02] fta2: how did you get the PIN configured then? [15:02] it's the default 0000 [15:03] n-m asked it to me once, now, after a reboot, it asks me to unlock the key ring, but never asks me for the pin directly [16:22] james_w, do we have a bug # for python-gobject, holding python-webkitgtk ? [16:22] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573753 [16:22] Gnome bug 573753 in codegen "DeprecationWarning under python 2.6" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [16:26] thanks [16:26] hi guys [16:28] hi [16:28] BUGabundo, what was your AHHH about? [16:29] humm guess you last dent [16:29] ahh the chinese chars [16:29] it was japanese [16:29] or that! [16:29] to us ignorant ocidental [16:29] they all look the same [16:30] it roughly meant that you need to sleep from time to time to keep your body in a good shape [16:31] ahh [16:31] great [16:31] once or twice a week will do [16:31] great news! just got hired! start tomorrow [16:31] so no more nagging you guys all day [16:32] congrats :) [16:32] what is your new job about? [16:33] sys admin [16:33] will setup a few new servers and maintain them for web portal [16:33] plus helpdesk for remote clients [16:34] not that good paycheck, much less then the last one, but hey, at least I won't be at home scratching my balls [16:50] lol [17:03] fta all of the sudden that addon got back working again [17:03] after todays daily updates [17:03] guess something was reverted! [17:06] donno, i no longer have time to follow the moz commits [17:08] ok [18:16] * asac testing NM (off ) === fabrice_sp_ is now known as fabrice_sp [19:15] hi all [19:16] hi plun [19:16] Thunderbird again.... ;) [19:16] Lightning support ??? [19:17] "Lightning" could not be installed because it is not compatible with your Shredder build type (Linux_x86_64-gcc3). Please contact the author of this item about the problem. [19:19] plun: i dont think we build sunbird/lighting for tbird 3 yet [19:19] plun: if you downloaded an xpi you are out of luck [19:19] they probabyl dont have amd64 builds [19:20] Yup, the xpi works OK for nightly build [19:20] TB2 package >>>> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/lightning-extension [19:22] yes [19:22] thats tb2 [19:22] asac: please take a look at TB3 when someone have a minute over... ;) [19:22] i think lightning should nowadays be produced by the tbird 3 package [19:22] i will add that to our todos [19:22] Great ! ;) [19:34] asac: still around ? [19:35] no contentless pings please [19:35] This one and Disabling ZeroCD >>> http://www.pharscape.org/networkmanager-0.7.0-and-3g-wwan-modems.html [19:35] Possible to block it smarter ? [19:36] In this situation you need to install ozerocdoff which in combinations with udev rules will automatically disable the ZeroCD whenever you plug the device in. [19:37] I can file a bug if you sees any meaning wiith it [19:37] which driver? [19:37] hso? option? [19:37] all this has to be fixed in drivers ffiw [19:37] Yes [19:38] a few drivers should already work [19:38] plun: what yes? [19:38] yes option or hso? [19:38] hso option [19:38] plun: so hso [19:38] Option uses hso [19:38] no ... there is a hso driver and an option driver [19:38] hso is mostly fixed [19:38] there are a few patches pending upstream [19:38] please test them [19:39] and modifiy if they suite you [19:39] I have it working on my portable.... [19:39] but your device is not listed in unusual devices [19:39] will test ;) [19:39] plun: with the patches [19:39] ? [19:39] Yeaah.. I can look for them.... [19:39] plun: https://lists.one-eyed-alien.net/pipermail/usb-storage/2009-January/004499.html [19:39] plun: maybe you just need something like in patch 3/3 for your device [19:39] please check [19:40] the other two patches should be ok in general [19:40] Ok.. thanks [19:40] but you might not need them [19:41] Well... the disabling zero is enough... then it works... [19:41] ZeroCD [19:42] plun: i dont want to know about that [19:42] plun: just try the patches [19:42] i just say that patch 3/3 might be enough if your product id was not yet added [19:42] but most likely you need all three ;) [19:44] OK.... about ZeroCd "Ozerocdoff - an improved ZeroCD switching utility" >> http://www.pharscape.org/ozerocdoff.html [19:44] Will test ;) [19:46] i dont care about that ;) [19:46] i only want driver solution [19:46] user space for this sucks too much ;) [19:48] Ok... I have this one Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0af0:6971 Option [19:50] plun: how does the mass storage show up? [19:50] because afaiu, thats what needs to be added like here: https://lists.one-eyed-alien.net/pipermail/usb-storage/2009-January/004498.html [19:50] asac, did you hear about Wan-Teh from google? he was supposed to contact you /wrt nss in hardy. nss32 to be precise. [19:50] plun: so dont run the zero thing [19:51] fta: yes already answered two mails [19:51] asac: one ref is to this >> http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ [19:51] OK reading more ;) [19:51] asac, is that public? [19:51] plun: check how the storage thing shows up [19:51] fta: no ... it was not really much [19:51] he wanted to know whether we get newer nss in intrepid [19:52] also wanted to know about ia32libs [19:52] intrepid? [19:52] i asked him how we can help him for the hardy situation [19:52] fta: yes intrepid ia32libs seems broken too [19:52] http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/d3f6b7f4eadb43a3/b72e8611e3e63d0e [19:52] (jaunty as well) [19:52] http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/d3f6b7f4eadb43a3 [19:53] that's just a recent thread but it's a recurring story [19:53] yeah [19:53] hardy is the other half [19:53] i am unsure how we can help him there [19:53] release managers signaled that they dont want to add new libs "just as it would be nice for someone" [19:54] so we can either make an official archive or provide the intrepid package in backports [19:54] i guess the latte rmight make sense. i am waiting for his reply [19:55] yeah. i wanted to solve this mess: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuild64Bit but apparently, their primary target is hardy and i can't do anything there, except PPAs [19:57] nobody can do more. i asked them to participate proactively [19:57] i mean ... i can try to get those nss things into hardy [19:57] but i need a good reason ;) [19:58] better than "chromium needs this for their devs" [20:00] yeah, i understand that. but i doubt there's more to say about this [20:10] !seen dtchen [20:10] I have no seen command [20:16] !seen [20:16] I have no seen command [20:16] !seen seen ;) [20:18] Hi! [20:18] ola [20:18] :D [20:18] Hi asac [20:18] I like tell you that the asturian translation is very fine [20:19] (we're used it more months, and the translation is fine) :) [20:20] Please, can you update this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/309312 [20:20] :D [20:20] Ubuntu bug 309312 in langpack-o-matic "make po2xpi aware of per-release whitelists (Was: Please update asturian translation)" [Undecided,In progress] [20:20] asac, [20:20] it will be a dream for Jaunty :D [20:20] that we can had Ubuntu in asturian :D [20:39] I must go [20:39] good bye! [20:47] asac, is dpkg-source broken for you too? [20:50] fta: does it use python ;)? [20:50] asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/125469/ [20:50] asac, yesterday and now [20:51] asac, that's bzr bd --merge, bzr is in python [20:51] fta: yeah. its broken python [20:51] asac, same for all packages my bot builds [20:51] fta: you are the thrid that bumped into it today ;) [20:51] after me and then mvo [20:51] workaround is to run bzr with python2.5 [20:52] james_w is on it ... so its just a matter of time [20:52] hm, ok [20:52] fta: i manually removed /usr/bin/python [20:52] and linked it to 2.5 for the time being [20:52] fta: the problem is that builddeb somehow unpacks the tarball with the wrong top level dir [20:52] i really wonder why this migration happens so late in the cycle [20:53] probably because doko was late ;) [20:53] i assume he had a bunch of things to do with java [20:53] its 10 days after FF ... so its still in line i would think [20:53] of course quite late for such a transition [20:53] but well ;) [20:54] there are always things to complain [20:54] who needs java anyway? ;) [20:54] fta: asac. he'll re-write wpa-supplicant in it. [20:54] ;-) [20:55] how about using it for update-manager ;) [20:55] maybe we can save some resources [20:56] using "swing" toolkit ;) [20:56] * Nafallo didn't know asac wrote update-manager :-P [20:56] i would have written it in C [20:56] ;) [20:57] i am quite annoyed by all those resource hungry python apps that run on my desktop [20:57] unfortunately the most hungry things are mozilla apps still ;) [20:57] asac: how about assembler then? ;-) [20:57] i think assembler doesnt help much ;) [20:57] at least compared to the amount of work it takes [20:57] haha [20:58] C wouldnt have been that harder for update manager ;) [20:58] maybe twice as long ... but good enough win [20:58] another idea would be to not use glade ;) [20:58] I think you kind of forgot a word that made those two sentances quite extremely funny :-P [20:59] lol [21:01] anyone tried the indicator panel yet? [21:01] er applet ;) [21:01] funny enough i dont have it instlaled ;) [21:04] I too would prefer to have most of the stuff on my desktop written in C instead of python [21:06] eeeh [21:11] just dropped python 2.6 as default, too buggy [21:13] lol [21:16] fta: you relinked right? [21:16] yes [21:16] fta: take care that you need to fix link before you upgrade any python package ;) [21:17] otherwise the postinst will fail ;) [21:17] i ran into that today alredy [21:27] i had to manually fix my bot. bzr fucked up all the branches :P [21:32] lol [21:32] thats how it is ;) [22:52] me tries something [22:59] asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/125513/ [23:23] THUNDERBIRD_2_0_0_21_BUILD1