[00:08] <alex_mayorga1> !shiretoko
[00:09] <alex_mayorga1> !nightly
[00:09] <alex_mayorga1> !daily
[00:09] <BUGabundo> most of us are a sleep
[00:09] <BUGabundo> don't make too much noise
[00:09] <alex_mayorga1> sorry :(
[00:10] <BUGabundo> np,, just kidding with you
[00:10] <BUGabundo> Mon Mar  2 00:10:44 WET 2009
[00:10] <BUGabundo>  !time
[00:11] <BUGabundo>  !now
[00:13] <alex_mayorga1> how to test nightly shiretoko builds in Ubuntu
[00:14] <BUGabundo> with the daily ppa I mentioned
[00:23] <alex_mayorga1> BUGabundo, thanks
[08:30]  * asac  back from the dead~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~
[08:30] <asac> (with lots of crap letters ;))
[08:32] <asac> fta: python 2.6 is the default in ubuntu now
[08:36] <asac> fta: can you look in syslog whether your usb device is detected through hal or udev?
[09:50] <fta> asac, could you get me the recipe on how to debug my SIM issue? (where it's unusable until i put it in in a xp box.
[09:51] <asac> fta: what driver is that again? hso?
[09:52] <fta> how do i check that?
[09:53] <fta> asac, glad to see you're back, btw ;)
[09:53]  * asac too
[09:53] <asac> but i am still sick. not sure what kind of flu that was, but i am sure if i was 30 years older i could have ended up dead
[09:53] <asac> fta: you see the driver in the syslog
[09:54] <asac> fta: when you plug in the device NM spits out the info
[09:57]  * gnomefreak be back before i toss this pc out window
[10:01] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/125188/ ?
[10:03] <asac> fta: Feb 28 14:59:31 voyager NetworkManager: <info>  ttyUSB0: driver is 'option'.
[10:03] <asac> thats the driver line ;)
[10:03] <asac> so you have an option modem
[10:04] <asac> fta: which NM version is that?
[10:05] <gnomefreak> this is starting to really frigging get to me :( see following lines for mosr info
[10:05] <gnomefreak> dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of 'seamonkey-2.0-2.0~b1~hg20090228r2104+nobinonly/mozilla/mozilla/security/coreconf/outofdate.pl' will not be represented in diff
[10:05] <gnomefreak> a shit load of those some are errors
[10:06] <fta> asac, 0.7.1~rc1+20090220-0ubuntu1
[10:06] <gnomefreak> i tried autoconf-2.13 and it is still like that
[10:07] <asac> fta: dpkg -L network-manager | grep probe
[10:07] <asac> do you get anything there? or was that a version with the external prober still
[10:08] <fta> nada
[10:09] <fta> i have to run, we'll continue later
[10:09] <asac> fta: just paste lshal output ;)
[10:09] <asac> then go away
[11:46]  * gnomefreak gives up this peice of shit will not build no matter what i do. Im going to leave and maybe come back when i calm down its been ~5 days.
[11:51] <asac> what was gnomefreak doing?
[11:51] <asac> oh ... he htought the warnings were errors ;)
[11:51] <asac> fun
[11:53] <asac> sent mail to him
[11:53] <asac> ok now lunchtime i guess
[11:53] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[11:53] <BUGabundo> hi asac
[11:54] <BUGabundo> feeling better?
[11:54] <asac> a bit
[11:54] <asac> still have a cold, but not this massive flu anymore
[11:54] <asac> i guess i have to be careful to not fall back
[11:54] <BUGabundo> good
[11:54] <BUGabundo> yes
[11:54] <BUGabundo> that's important
[11:55] <asac> so doing regular lunch for the moment :) ... bbl
[11:56] <BUGabundo> bye
[12:26] <fta2> asac, which version of gwibber do you have?
[12:37] <asac> fta2: latest in archive
[12:37] <asac> fta2: do oyu have pythong 2.6 as default already?
[12:37] <fta2> oh ok. the dailies are fine. should I respin the one in universe?
[12:38] <asac> fta2: well. current thing is not installable because of webkit
[12:38] <asac> so if latest gwibber drops webkit depends then probably uploda that
[12:38] <asac> of course latest packaging (not snapshot ;))
[12:38] <asac> otherwise fixing webkit would be great
[12:39] <asac> i looked for a few minutes this weekend, but it was too messy
[12:39] <asac> i guess it should use python-support ... which it doesnt
[12:55] <fta2> there's probably a bug about that
[13:10] <james_w> it's currently blocked by a python-gobject bug
[13:14] <asac> yeah gobject sounds familiar
[13:33] <asac> jcastro: couldnt you convince gwibber folks to come to freenode with their channel?
[13:34] <asac> i mean, ubuntu seems to be kind of a major supporter for them ;)
[13:34] <asac> having them on the same server helps to bring our communities closer together
[13:36] <fta2> i concur, i didn't join them just because if that
[13:43] <fta2> -if+of
[13:44] <asac> ;)
[13:44] <asac> good that we agree
[13:46] <asac> fta2: dented
[13:46] <asac> or not
[13:47] <asac> now dented ;)
[13:47] <asac> http://identi.ca/notice/2562642
[13:56] <asac> fta2: have you read leanns mail to devel-announce?
[13:57] <fta2> hm, not sure
[13:57] <fta2> when?
[13:57] <asac> fta2: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000542.html
[13:57] <asac> thats really great
[13:57] <asac> finally no endless kernel spins here to just test latest rc
[13:57] <asac> or to test unpatched vanilla kernel
[14:10] <fta2> well, i usually don't touch the kernel. well, at least, not anymore since i'm using ubuntu. debian was another matter
[14:11] <asac> heh
[14:16] <fta2> you can also run the vanilla gnome
[14:16] <fta2> thanks to pitti
[14:18] <jcastro> asac: yeah he's just being annoying, I bother him about it all the time
[14:31] <asac> jcastro: heh ;). maybe it needs to come from multiple sides ;)
[14:32] <asac> thats why i dented
[14:34] <asac> jcastro: is he an arstechnica guy?
[14:34] <jcastro> asac: yeah
[14:34] <jcastro> he writes their linux column
[14:34] <asac> ok. was the only rational i could come up with
[14:34] <asac> nice
[14:43] <fta2> asac, how could I debug the issues i have with my 3G SIMs becoming unusable?
[14:44] <fta2> other that the usual logs which are not very informative about that
[14:44] <fta2> -that+than
[14:44] <asac> fta2: well. i would hope its just using the wrong port
[14:44] <asac> fta2: lshal |pastebinit ..
[14:45] <fta2> the key is not plugged in right now :(
[14:45] <asac> thats a prob ;)
[14:45] <asac> fta2: plug it in
[14:45] <asac> fta2: also install udev-extras (remove it afterwards again a it adds other stuff you dont want)
[14:45] <asac> fta2: and run the modem prober against your ttyUSBX sysfs entries
[14:46] <fta2> physically impossible, i need a teleporter
[14:46] <asac> and see if you get positive GSM detection on more than one
[14:46] <asac> fta2: the key is small enough to take it with you ;) ... even when going by bike
[14:46] <asac> jk
[14:46] <fta2> i have the key with me, not the laptop
[14:46] <asac> heh
[14:47] <asac> fta2: as long as you have jaunty it shouldnt really matter
[14:47] <asac> fta2: so you said 9 out of 10 times it fails
[14:47] <fta2> yes
[14:47] <asac> is that 10 replugs?
[14:47] <asac> or ten clicks in applet?
[14:47] <fta2> 10 replugs
[14:47] <asac> fta2: yeah. i would really think its the wrong port then
[14:48] <asac> and you are just lucky the 10th time that hal has a race and gives you different numbering or something
[14:48] <fta2> but reboot + restart of nm helped. but it's another issue, unrelated to my SIM
[14:48] <asac> fta2: reboot + restart == OR ?
[14:50] <asac> or AND=
[14:50] <asac> ?
[14:51] <fta2> problem A: a SIM is suddenly unusable, problem B: i plug the key, n-m is not able to use it at all (not even a connection attempt), nm restart and replug don't help, only reboot *and* restart nm help
[14:51] <fta2> s
[14:51] <fta2> of course, B is not with the same SIM as A
[14:52] <fta2> but A already occured twice, with 2 different SIMs
[14:56] <asac> fta2: what i never had (and which i dont really understand) is a SIM lock thing
[14:56] <asac> fta2: what do you need to do on windows to unluck?
[14:56] <asac> enter your "normal" pin?
[14:57] <asac> unlock
[14:57] <asac> ;)
[14:58] <fta2> on windows, when you 1st plug the key, there's a software inside the key that is magically installed. i just start that software to get connected. that's it. nothing else.
[14:59] <asac> fta2: so you do that once ... and then you just put the key in linux and it works?
[14:59] <fta2> yes
[14:59] <asac> fta2: if you start with a new connectionconfiguration, do you get asked for the SIM pin?
[15:00] <fta2> i never tried that, i'm kind of new /w 3G on linux ;)
[15:02] <asac> fta2: how did you get the PIN configured then?
[15:02] <fta2> it's the default 0000
[15:03] <fta2> n-m asked it to me once, now, after a reboot, it asks me to unlock the key ring, but never asks me for the pin directly
[16:22] <fta2> james_w, do we have a bug # for python-gobject, holding python-webkitgtk ?
[16:22] <james_w> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573753
[16:26] <fta2> thanks
[16:26] <BUGabundo> hi guys
[16:28] <fta2> hi
[16:28] <fta2> BUGabundo, what was your AHHH about?
[16:29] <BUGabundo> humm guess you last dent
[16:29] <BUGabundo> ahh the chinese chars
[16:29] <fta2> it was japanese
[16:29] <BUGabundo> or that!
[16:29] <BUGabundo> to us ignorant ocidental
[16:29] <BUGabundo> they all look the same
[16:30] <fta2> it roughly meant that you need to sleep from time to time to keep your body in a good shape
[16:31] <BUGabundo> ahh
[16:31] <BUGabundo> great
[16:31] <BUGabundo> once or twice a week will do
[16:31] <BUGabundo> great news! just got hired! start tomorrow
[16:31] <BUGabundo> so no more nagging you guys all day
[16:32] <fta2> congrats :)
[16:32] <fta2> what is your new job about?
[16:33] <BUGabundo> sys admin
[16:33] <BUGabundo> will setup a few new servers and maintain them for web portal
[16:33] <BUGabundo> plus helpdesk for remote clients
[16:34] <BUGabundo> not that good paycheck, much less then the last one, but hey, at least I won't be at home scratching my balls
[16:50] <fta2> lol
[17:03] <BUGabundo> fta all of the sudden that addon got back working again
[17:03] <BUGabundo> after todays daily updates
[17:03] <BUGabundo> guess something was reverted!
[17:06] <fta2> donno, i no longer have time to follow the moz commits
[17:08] <BUGabundo> ok
[18:16]  * asac  testing NM (off )
[19:15] <plun> hi all
[19:16] <asac> hi plun
[19:16] <plun> Thunderbird again....  ;)
[19:16] <plun> Lightning support ???
[19:17] <plun> "Lightning" could not be installed because it is not compatible with your Shredder build type (Linux_x86_64-gcc3). Please contact the author of this item about the problem.
[19:19] <asac> plun: i dont think we build sunbird/lighting for tbird 3 yet
[19:19] <asac> plun: if you downloaded an xpi you are out of luck
[19:19] <asac> they probabyl dont have amd64 builds
[19:20] <plun> Yup, the xpi works OK for nightly build
[19:20] <plun> TB2 package >>>> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/lightning-extension
[19:22] <asac> yes
[19:22] <asac> thats tb2
[19:22] <plun> asac: please take a look at TB3 when someone have a minute over... ;)
[19:22] <asac> i think lightning should nowadays be produced  by the tbird 3 package
[19:22] <asac> i will add that to our todos
[19:22] <plun> Great !  ;)
[19:34] <plun> asac: still around ?
[19:35] <asac> no contentless pings please
[19:35] <plun> This one and Disabling  ZeroCD   >>>  http://www.pharscape.org/networkmanager-0.7.0-and-3g-wwan-modems.html
[19:35] <plun> Possible to block it smarter ?
[19:36] <plun> In this situation you need to install ozerocdoff which in combinations with udev rules will automatically disable the ZeroCD whenever you plug the device in.
[19:37] <plun> I can file a bug if you sees any meaning wiith it
[19:37] <asac> which driver?
[19:37] <asac> hso? option?
[19:37] <asac> all this has to be fixed in drivers ffiw
[19:37] <plun> Yes
[19:38] <asac> a few drivers should already work
[19:38] <asac> plun: what yes?
[19:38] <asac> yes option or hso?
[19:38] <plun> hso option
[19:38] <asac> plun: so hso
[19:38] <plun> Option uses hso
[19:38] <asac> no ... there is a hso driver and an option driver
[19:38] <asac> hso is mostly fixed
[19:38] <asac> there are a few patches pending upstream
[19:38] <asac> please test them
[19:39] <asac> and modifiy if they suite you
[19:39] <plun> I have it working on my portable....
[19:39] <asac> but your device is not listed in unusual devices
[19:39] <plun> will test ;)
[19:39] <asac> plun: with the patches
[19:39] <asac> ?
[19:39] <plun> Yeaah.. I can look for them....
[19:39] <asac> plun: https://lists.one-eyed-alien.net/pipermail/usb-storage/2009-January/004499.html
[19:39] <asac> plun: maybe you just need something like in patch 3/3 for your device
[19:39] <asac> please check
[19:40] <asac> the other two patches should be ok in general
[19:40] <plun> Ok.. thanks
[19:40] <asac> but you might not need them
[19:41] <plun> Well... the disabling zero is enough...   then it works...
[19:41] <plun> ZeroCD
[19:42] <asac> plun: i dont want to know about that
[19:42] <asac> plun: just try the patches
[19:42] <asac> i just say that patch 3/3 might be enough if your product id was not yet added
[19:42] <asac> but most likely you need all three ;)
[19:44] <plun> OK.... about ZeroCd  "Ozerocdoff - an improved ZeroCD switching utility"  >>  http://www.pharscape.org/ozerocdoff.html
[19:44] <plun> Will test ;)
[19:46] <asac> i dont care about that ;)
[19:46] <asac> i only want driver solution
[19:46] <asac> user space for this sucks too much ;)
[19:48] <plun> Ok... I have this one  Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0af0:6971 Option
[19:50] <asac> plun: how does the mass storage show up?
[19:50] <asac> because afaiu, thats what needs to be added like here: https://lists.one-eyed-alien.net/pipermail/usb-storage/2009-January/004498.html
[19:50] <fta> asac, did you hear about Wan-Teh from google? he was supposed to contact you /wrt nss in hardy. nss32 to be precise.
[19:50] <asac> plun: so dont run the zero thing
[19:51] <asac> fta: yes already answered two mails
[19:51] <plun> asac: one ref is to this  >>  http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/
[19:51] <plun> OK reading more   ;)
[19:51] <fta> asac, is that public?
[19:51] <asac> plun: check how the storage thing shows up
[19:51] <asac> fta: no ... it was not really much
[19:51] <asac> he wanted to know whether we get newer nss in intrepid
[19:52] <asac> also wanted to know about ia32libs
[19:52] <fta> intrepid?
[19:52] <asac> i asked him how we can help him for the hardy situation
[19:52] <asac> fta: yes intrepid ia32libs seems broken too
[19:52] <fta> http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/d3f6b7f4eadb43a3/b72e8611e3e63d0e
[19:52] <asac> (jaunty as well)
[19:52] <fta> http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/d3f6b7f4eadb43a3
[19:53] <fta> that's just a recent thread but it's a recurring story
[19:53] <asac> yeah
[19:53] <asac> hardy is the other half
[19:53] <asac> i am unsure how we can help him there
[19:53] <asac> release managers signaled that they dont want to add new libs "just as it would be nice for someone"
[19:54] <asac> so we can either make an official archive or provide the intrepid package in backports
[19:54] <asac> i guess the latte rmight make sense. i am waiting for his reply
[19:55] <fta> yeah. i wanted to solve this mess: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuild64Bit but apparently, their primary target is hardy and i can't do anything there, except PPAs
[19:57] <asac> nobody can do more. i asked them to participate proactively
[19:57] <asac> i mean ... i can try to get those nss things into hardy
[19:57] <asac> but i need a good reason ;)
[19:58] <asac> better than "chromium needs this for their devs"
[20:00] <fta> yeah, i understand that. but i doubt there's more to say about this
[20:10] <fta> !seen dtchen
[20:16] <asac> !seen
[20:16] <asac> !seen seen ;)
[20:18] <marquinos> Hi!
[20:18] <asac> ola
[20:18] <marquinos> :D
[20:18] <marquinos> Hi asac
[20:18] <marquinos> I like tell you that the asturian translation is very fine
[20:19] <marquinos> (we're used it more months, and the translation is fine) :)
[20:20] <marquinos> Please, can you update this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/309312
[20:20] <marquinos> :D
[20:20] <marquinos> asac,
[20:20] <marquinos> it will be a dream for Jaunty :D
[20:20] <marquinos> that we can had Ubuntu in asturian :D
[20:39] <marquinos> I must go
[20:39] <marquinos> good bye!
[20:47] <fta> asac, is dpkg-source broken for you too?
[20:50] <asac> fta: does it use python ;)?
[20:50] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/125469/
[20:50] <fta> asac, yesterday and now
[20:51] <fta> asac, that's bzr bd --merge, bzr is in python
[20:51] <asac> fta: yeah. its broken python
[20:51] <fta> asac, same for all packages my bot builds
[20:51] <asac> fta: you are the thrid that bumped into it today ;)
[20:51] <asac> after me and then mvo
[20:51] <asac> workaround is to run bzr with python2.5
[20:52] <asac> james_w is on it ... so its just a matter of time
[20:52] <fta> hm, ok
[20:52] <asac> fta: i manually removed /usr/bin/python
[20:52] <asac> and linked it to 2.5 for the time being
[20:52] <asac> fta: the problem is that builddeb somehow unpacks the tarball with the wrong top level dir
[20:52] <fta> i really wonder why this migration happens so late in the cycle
[20:53] <asac> probably because doko was late ;)
[20:53] <asac> i assume he had a bunch of things to do with java
[20:53] <asac> its 10 days after FF ... so its still in line i would think
[20:53] <asac> of course quite late for such a transition
[20:53] <asac> but well ;)
[20:54] <asac> there are  always things to complain
[20:54] <fta> who needs java anyway? ;)
[20:54] <Nafallo> fta: asac. he'll re-write wpa-supplicant in it.
[20:54] <Nafallo> ;-)
[20:55] <asac> how about using it for update-manager ;)
[20:55] <asac> maybe we can save some resources
[20:56] <asac> using "swing" toolkit ;)
[20:56]  * Nafallo didn't know asac wrote update-manager :-P
[20:56] <asac> i would have written it in C
[20:56] <asac> ;)
[20:57] <asac> i am quite annoyed by all those resource hungry python apps that run on my desktop
[20:57] <asac> unfortunately the most hungry things are mozilla apps still ;)
[20:57] <Nafallo> asac: how about assembler then? ;-)
[20:57] <asac> i think assembler doesnt help much ;)
[20:57] <asac> at least compared to the amount of work it takes
[20:57] <Nafallo> haha
[20:58] <asac> C wouldnt have been that harder for update manager ;)
[20:58] <asac> maybe twice as long ... but good enough win
[20:58] <asac> another idea would be to not use glade ;)
[20:58] <Nafallo> I think you kind of forgot a word that made those two sentances quite extremely funny :-P
[20:59] <asac> lol
[21:01] <asac> anyone tried the indicator panel yet?
[21:01] <asac> er applet ;)
[21:01] <asac> funny enough i dont have it instlaled ;)
[21:04] <fta> I too would prefer to have most of the stuff on my desktop written in C instead of python
[21:06] <BUGabundo> eeeh
[21:11] <fta> just dropped python 2.6 as default, too buggy
[21:13] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:16] <asac> fta: you relinked right?
[21:16] <fta> yes
[21:16] <asac> fta: take care that you need to fix link before you upgrade any python package ;)
[21:17] <asac> otherwise the postinst will fail ;)
[21:17] <asac> i ran into that today alredy
[21:27] <fta> i had to manually fix my bot. bzr fucked up all the branches :P
[21:32] <asac> lol
[21:32] <asac> thats how it is ;)
[22:52] <asac> me tries something
[22:59] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/125513/
[23:23] <fta> THUNDERBIRD_2_0_0_21_BUILD1