[00:05] <vidd> trece8, sorry...no i dont
[00:07] <kaleva> mm I see, a lil' messy that thing, but I need it. I am developing sites and i m getting crazy with gftp
[00:07] <trece8> vidd... for me it seems like a basic thing to know... i am astonished that no one knows how to do it
[00:08] <trece8> i mean, i have to do that or reinstall xubuntu (for one update, is insane)
[00:11] <j1mc> trece8: there's a way to do it, but i don't know what it is.  maybe google for "ubuntu revert to previous version of software" or something
[00:23] <kaleva> sheep, if i fullfil it, i ll write something in italian. there is nothing about
[00:43] <kaleva> hi the sheep , could I ask u for fuse!?
[01:00] <kaleva> I need some help: No package 'gnome-keyring-1' found No package 'gconf-2.0' found No package 'libfusi' found
[01:01] <kaleva> I dunno How it is, i mean The libraries are installed
[01:01] <j1mc> kaleva: sudo aptitude install gnome-keyring
[01:01] <kaleva> mmm ok
[01:05] <kaleva> nothing. the same problem
[01:06] <j1mc> :/
[01:07] <j1mc> kaleva: what are you trying to do?
[01:08] <kaleva> i suppose it would be nothing difficult but... I m trying to compile from source pacckage fuse
[01:08] <kaleva> ./configue make and make install
[01:10] <kaleva> http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[01:12] <kaleva> i wanna try to compile this one http://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/fuse/index.php?title=Main_Page#Filesystem_Users
[01:12] <kaleva> synaptic says everythng is ok
[01:20] <craigbass1976> What's the xubuntu app that lets me browse samba shares?
[01:21] <kaleva> mmm
[01:21] <kaleva> probably fuse  i'm not sure
[01:22] <j1mc> craigbass1976: there will be the ability to browse samba shares in xubuntu 9.04
[01:22] <j1mc> but until then i'd check out fusesmb
[01:23] <kaleva> jlms any ideas for my problem?!
[01:33] <craigbass1976> j1mc, ok, it's installed.  That's kind of a weird process.  THanks though
[01:33] <j1mc> kaleva: why are you trying to install fuse from source?
[01:33] <j1mc> there's already a fuse package in xubuntu
[01:34] <kaleva> mmm ok i m wrong
[01:42] <kaleva> i miss something
[01:42] <kaleva> i want ftp to be lika a folder
[01:42] <kaleva> is that possible with gfuse?
[01:48] <j1mc> kaleva: i'm not sure - that's a good question.  it's probably possible with nautilus (gnome) or konqueror (kde), but thunar (xfce) would take some work.
[01:49] <kaleva> mmm ok your suggestion are always welcome
[02:47] <sug1> how do i browser files over the network?
[03:35] <Wildburn> anyone super handy with installing nvidia around?
[04:33] <Sw3RvE> hey, which flash "app" works best. im having trouble with the nonfree flash plugin
[04:34] <Sw3RvE> when im on youtube sometimes where the video should be playing its just blank white and the sound plays.
[04:49] <Sw3RvE> anyone awake?
[04:54] <vidd> im awake...just dont know
[04:55] <vidd> can you give an example?
[05:14] <rocko> does 	AMD Virtualization
[05:14] <rocko> mean that you can use kernel virtualization ?
[05:15] <zoredache> maybe?
[05:21] <vidd> rocko, in what sense? where are you seeing amd virtualization?
[05:23] <vidd> i have a strange senario.....
[05:24] <vidd> i want to load a cli, ssh -X into another machine, and run rdesktop.....
[05:24] <vidd> what do i need installed on my local machine?
[05:25] <vidd> would gdm without a window manager do what i need?
[05:25] <zoredache> trying to make a thin-client type setup?
[05:26] <vidd> yeah...i suppose i am =]
[05:26] <zoredache> !ltsp
[05:27] <zoredache> that might be a starting point...  you can run rdesktop without a windows manager...
[05:28] <Sw3RvE> is there another flash plugin that works better than the nonfree one?
[05:28] <vidd> Sw3RvE, i prefer the nonfree one....
[05:28] <Sw3RvE> oh
[05:28] <vidd> but you might try gnash
[05:28] <Sw3RvE> does yours ever go blank white
[05:28] <vidd> never
[05:29] <zoredache> Sw3RvE: i prefer no flash at all usually
[05:29] <vidd> this was why i asked for an example
[05:29] <Myrtti> swfdec is wonderful
[05:36] <rocko> nevermind vidd
[05:37] <rocko> amd virtulization is kernel virtualization
[05:37] <rocko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization#AMD_virtualization_.28AMD-V.29
[05:38] <Sw3RvE> what kind of example am i supposed to give you?
[05:38] <vidd> well...good night all
[05:38] <vidd> Sw3RvE, an example of what your loading that "whites out" on you
[05:39] <vidd> but if it random (sometimes it plays other times it dont with the same video) it might be your system
[05:40] <Sw3RvE> Youtube...
[05:41] <vidd> but is it "video A never plays right, but vedio B does"
[05:41] <vidd> or is it "today video A plays, yesterday it didnt"
[05:42] <vidd> if its the first senerio, then it could be bad video
[05:42] <Sw3RvE> yea kinda. like the first video or first couple videos play.
[05:42] <vidd> if its the second, then you may have a system load issue
[05:42] <Sw3RvE> then the next will be white and the sound plays
[05:43] <vidd> but if it was a flash problem, all would behave the same
[05:43] <Sw3RvE> so i just have to deal with it and close firefox to make a video play
[05:44] <vidd> Sw3RvE, sounds like a system load issue
[05:44] <vidd> how "light" is your system?
[05:44] <Sw3RvE> light as in what
[05:45] <vidd> how much ram
[05:45] <Sw3RvE> 2 GB
[05:45] <Sw3RvE> and why is my wifi going on and off by itself
[05:45] <Sw3RvE> it just started doing that
[05:45] <vidd> you running an amd64?
[05:45] <Sw3RvE> yes
[05:46] <Sw3RvE> 64-bit xubuntu
[05:46] <vidd> it may be related to that.....
[05:46] <vidd> im only running 32-bit
[05:47] <vidd> even on my 64-bit system
[05:47] <Sw3RvE> so it could be a bug with the 64-bit version
[05:47] <vidd> its possible....
[05:48] <Sw3RvE> its not that annoying i was just wondering if they had a better plugn
[05:48] <vidd> i have never experienced this phenominan
[05:48] <vidd> (i cant spell either!)
[05:48] <vidd> im sure gnash has greatly improved since i last tried it
[05:51] <vidd> good night (again)
[06:03] <JuanL> Quick Q, anyone know how to Print Landscape instead of the other way i want to print a picture and use the full page instead of a small portion
[06:05] <zoredache> don't know anything about printing in landscape, but have you consider simply rotating the picture?
[06:06] <JuanL> then it would shrink it down
[06:06] <JuanL> i tried in Firefox and in the Gimp image editor
[06:06] <JuanL> using Brother MFC-290C and Xubuntu 8.10
[06:06] <zoredache> eh?  doing a rotate shouldn't change the dimentions
[06:08] <raevol> hey guys, trying to manually set up xfce, what command does the menu issue on xubuntu to get the shutdown dialogue?
[06:08] <JuanL> trying it now zoredache,
[06:15] <raevol> anyone? can you just tell me what the "quit" entry on your menu does?
[06:17] <JuanL> shutdown.
[06:17] <JuanL> also the icon in the top right corner does same thing
[06:17] <JuanL> if you have the bars enabled
[06:17] <raevol> ugh
[06:17] <raevol> i wanted the command it issues...
[06:18] <rocko> raid is for backups right ?
[06:19] <raevol> rocko: it splits data saved across several drives so that if one fails the data can be saved
[06:19] <raevol> you usually use it on servers
[06:19] <rocko> I see
[06:19] <zoredache> no, it is not for backups at all
[06:19] <zoredache> it is for redudancy, and performance
[06:20] <raevol> zoredache: can you tell me what the "quit" entry on your menu does?
[06:20] <zoredache> raevol: not really, no
[06:20] <raevol> not what happens when you click on it, but what the menu editor says it does
[06:20] <raevol> just right click on your menu, click edit menu, and look at the quit itme
[06:20] <raevol> item
[06:20] <zoredache> I am not on my linux box right now
[06:21] <raevol> UGH
[06:21] <raevol> rocko, can you do that?
[06:21] <rocko> WINBLOWS :(
[06:21] <rocko> do what ?
[06:21] <zoredache> have you tried looking on google?
[06:21] <raevol> right click on your xfce menu, click edit emnu, and read what the "quit" entry does
[06:21] <raevol> i've looked everywhere
[06:21] <raevol> irc is my last resort
[06:21] <rocko> what is it suppose to tell me ?
[06:21] <rocko> that you want it to ?
[06:22] <raevol> there should be a "command" column, what does it say in that column next to quit?
[06:25] <rocko> quit
[06:26] <rocko> is what it says
[06:26] <raevol> hmm ok
[06:26] <raevol> that just logs my xfce out, doesn't show the shutdown dialogue
[06:26] <raevol> wonder what i am missing
[06:26] <rocko> Quit : quit
[06:27] <raevol> thanks
[06:27] <rocko> are you logging in via console or the graphical login prompted ? raevol
[06:27] <raevol> gdm
[06:27] <rocko> if you are using the console than that is why
[06:28] <raevol> the graphical one
[06:28] <rocko> you will have to shutdown with the shutdown command
[06:28] <raevol> i switched from slim to gdm after installing xfce though
[06:28] <rocko> like so "shutdown -h now"
[06:28] <rocko> "sudo shutdown -h now"
[06:28] <raevol> well i should be able to get the shutdown dialogue to work, no?
[06:29] <rocko> try it
[06:29] <raevol> doing that from the console works
[06:29] <raevol> i want to get the actual graphical shutdown dialogue to work
[06:29] <rocko> maybe you need to restart the panel
[06:29] <rocko> or x
[06:30] <raevol> ah my stupidity
[06:30] <raevol> got it working
[06:30] <raevol> didnt have "prompt on logout" checked
[06:30] <raevol> thanks, and sorry for the noise
[08:30] <victoria> hi
[08:44] <victoria> hello
[08:44] <victoria> im trying to install a new theme
[08:44] <victoria> i already download the one i like
[08:44] <TheSheep> gtk theme?
[08:44] <victoria> yes
[08:44] <TheSheep> ok, unpack it and put into .themes directory
[08:44] <TheSheep> in your home
[08:44] <TheSheep> you might need to enable 'show hidden files' in thunar view menu to see it
[08:45] <victoria> ok
[08:45] <victoria> done
[08:45] <victoria> now?
[08:46] <TheSheep> now it should work
[08:46] <TheSheep> it should appear under appearance settings
[08:46] <TheSheep> sorry, 'user interface' settings
[08:47] <victoria> but it does not:)
[08:47] <TheSheep> ok, is there a gtkrc file in your theme?
[08:49] <victoria> i cant see
[08:49] <victoria> the files
[08:49] <TheSheep> why not?
[08:51] <victoria> you mean in the them i just download?
[08:51] <victoria> when i double click the only window that apperas.. is the one that ask.. open with..
[08:51] <victoria> i cant see inside of it
[08:51] <TheSheep> ok, let me make the procedure clear
[08:52] <TheSheep> you download the theme from some website, uzually it's a .zip or a .tar.gz archive file
[08:52] <TheSheep> usually*
[08:52] <victoria> yes it was
[08:52] <TheSheep> you unpack it to your .themes directory
[08:52] <victoria> the i copy that .gz file to the .thems and extrac it there
[08:53] <victoria> and sorry now i
[08:53] <victoria> was able to see it
[08:53] <victoria> and yes
[08:53] <victoria> there is a
[08:53] <TheSheep> it should, among other things, contain file  .themes/<theme name>/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[08:53] <victoria> gtrc
[08:54] <TheSheep> is the path like the one I just told, or is there any other subdirectory in it?
[08:55] <victoria> no subdirectory
[08:55] <TheSheep> maybe you can give me the link to where you download the theme?
[08:56] <victoria> is like the one you told me
[08:57] <victoria> and there is gtrc
[08:57] <victoria> yes
[08:57] <victoria> gtkc
[08:57] <victoria> http://th3r0b.deviantart.com/art/TechniX-83562674
[08:59] <victoria> you know what something in the process is wrong because i download another them just to try
[08:59] <victoria> and do the same process
[08:59] <victoria> and
[08:59] <victoria> same thing
[08:59] <victoria> not working
[09:00] <TheSheep> hmm... it's just a single compressed file
[09:01] <TheSheep> aah, rename it from .gz to .tar.gz before unpacking
[09:04] <victoria> oh nice
[09:04] <victoria> this time works
[09:05] <victoria> what about the window manager?
[09:05] <victoria> where i should unpack it
[09:05] <TheSheep> same
[09:06] <TheSheep> it should contain an xfwm/themerc file on the other hand
[09:06] <TheSheep> xfwm4/themerc
[09:06] <victoria> i see
[09:07] <victoria> i did the same thing with the other them
[09:07] <victoria> but the trick didnt work
[09:07] <victoria> but that one. was .tgz not .gz
[09:07] <TheSheep> the list of window manager themes is in setting manager in window manager settings
[09:11] <victoria> is
[09:11] <victoria> this one working for you ?
[09:11] <victoria> http://sixsixfive.deviantart.com/art/DarkGrey-95669412
[09:12] <TheSheep> victoria: it contains 3 themes
[09:12] <TheSheep> victoria: there are 3 directories called cp-to-your-share-themes
[09:13] <victoria> yes
[09:13] <victoria> i extract them all
[09:13] <TheSheep> victoria: their contents should be copied to .themes, not the whole thing
[09:13] <victoria> i see
[09:14] <TheSheep> DarkGrey and DarkGrey-nogradient direcotries, from the 'cp-to-share-themes' directory
[09:18] <victoria> ok
[09:18] <victoria> i didnt like it:)
[09:18] <victoria> but thank you
[09:19] <victoria> im going to sleep now thank you very much
[09:19] <victoria> good night smart boy
[09:19] <TheSheep> good night
[09:19] <victoria> ciao
[12:26] <gaurav__> hey can anybdy help me install me
[12:26] <gaurav__> sorry install ekiga*
[12:38] <SiDi> sudo apt-get install ekiga ? :)
[12:42] <gaurav__> ya i had gone for tht
[13:28] <mnemoc> hello, is any upgrade planned for the xubuntu-dev ppa for intrepid?
[14:04] <mnemoc> what ppa has to be used to get something newer than 4.5.91 in ubuntu 8.10?
[14:30] <inntegra> good morning 2 u all and good morning cody
[14:31] <cody-somerville> Morning
[14:31] <inntegra> so about my CANON imageCLASS D340 is there any way to install it cody, i did try several things yesterday even with some other models but non of them worked
[14:31] <cody-somerville> inntegra, Sorry :(
[14:31] <inntegra> ok
[14:32] <inntegra> no problem then  i believe GNU/LINUX does not support at all this printer right=
[14:32] <inntegra> ?
[14:32] <inntegra> back to nasty windows then :(
[14:33] <inntegra> thxs for the help anyway cody maybe some other time
[14:33] <inntegra> bye
[15:24] <Ish> anyone able to help with a basic basic mysql question?
[15:25] <mnemoc> Ish: /join #mysql ?
[15:25] <Ish> they don't help
[15:26] <Ish> they're busy with their higher level programming stuff
[15:26] <Ish> i just need to change my user/pass
[15:26] <charlie-tca> It's usually better to ask your real question and let someone answer if they know, then to ask it a question can be answered without telling the question
[15:26] <Ish> right-o, how do i change my user/pass?
[15:27] <Ish> right now i hate mysql, nothing should be like it
[15:27] <charlie-tca> I have not been able to do that in mysql. I always have to create a new user
[15:28] <charlie-tca> You can also ask in #ubuntu, it should be the same way in Xubuntu and Ubuntu
[15:28] <Ish> that would be fine too, as long as it lets webpages use mysql
[15:28] <charlie-tca> Give the new user all privileges, and it should
[15:29] <Ish> all the webpages i look at trying to figure out the simple stuff, ends up being way too much information for what i need
[15:29] <Ish> i think i'll end up being good friends with phpmyadmin peeps since that seems to be what i need
[15:55] <taw> Is it possible to use fvwm as window manager with xfce panel, desktop, etc?
[15:56] <pteague> is there a count down clock either as a panel widget for xubuntu or a normal program?  something similar to kteatime in kde
[15:57] <ajrion> hello, can someone please suggest to me an easy to use firewall for xubuntu with gui ?
[16:03] <ajrion> hello, can someone please suggest to me an easy to use firewall for xubuntu with gui ?
[16:05] <_Pete_> firestarter
[16:07] <gaurav__> hi every1
[16:09] <gaurav__> hey can any1 help me ,when ever i restart my xubuntu linux i always have to configure my LAN settings to connect to internet
[16:10] <gaurav__> wht is the problem ,does any1 knw tht
[16:11] <charlie-tca> !patience | gauvav
[16:13] <charlie-tca> pteague: xfce4-timer-plugin is available as a panel add-on; install it in Synaptic Package Manager, then add it to the panel
[16:13] <charlie-tca> I don't know  what kteatime is like, though
[16:13] <taw> gaurav__, if you are using allways same network settings, edit /etc/network/interfaces, see man interfaces
[16:13] <gaurav__> sure charlie-tca and it is Gaurav not gauvav
[16:14] <gaurav__> ok taw
[16:14] <charlie-tca> gaurav__: , check the name you are using. This is the name you gave freenode
[16:14] <gaurav__> oh ok
[16:16] <charlie-tca> taw: panels are part of xfwm window manager, so changing to fvwm will probably mean they are not usable
[16:17] <charlie-tca> But, the good part is, you can try another window manager, and if you don't like it, switch back to xfwm
[16:19] <taw> charlie-tca, ok. Maybe I have to switch back to fvwm. Looks like nothing beats it on configurability
[16:20] <taw> I can't find where to change what window manager xfce4-session starts?
[16:20] <taw> on systemwide it's easy, but for one user?
[16:21] <charlie-tca> should be at the log-in screen. click on Session
[16:22] <charlie-tca> That's probably wrong, huh?
[16:39] <taw> ouch, xfce4 session manager doesn't work properly on multi-display environment
[16:40] <cody-somerville> Sure it does.
[16:41] <taw> and my terminals are not on those desks where they should be, but all are started on same desk
[16:42] <JPohlmann> taw: That's not a multi head problem.
[16:42] <JPohlmann> taw: I mean, that also happens when you only have one monitor.
[16:42] <taw> yes, multi-head problem is most likely not xfce, but some stupid apps like skype start where ever they want to
[16:43] <taw> JPohlmann, that's not nice
[16:44] <taw> at least for my use, not to have those windows opened at all is even better than have them in wrong places
[16:45] <JPohlmann> The problem is ... it's not easy to find out which window belongs where.
[16:46] <taw> I can believe it
[16:46] <JPohlmann> Windows don't necessarily have a unique identifier across different sessions so that you can remember their positions on the window manager side.
[16:46] <taw> yes, it's just question that I'm not compatible with software :-)
[16:49] <taw> it's possible to use fvwm as window manager, just running 'fvwm -replace' and logging out replaces
[16:49] <taw> panels still work, but fvwm needs some config for not to add borders, etc
[17:18] <taw> looks like xfce4-terminal doesn't have command line option to specify on which desk to start some particular window
[17:18] <taw> and most likely so are all other apps
[17:19] <zoredache> taw: you can use devilspie to send things to a certain desktop
[17:20] <taw> thanks!
[17:22] <taw> hmm, but that would be usefull if I want all my terminals on workspace 5?
[17:26] <zoredache> yes, you should be able to do that
[17:27] <taw> sorry, expressed myself badly
[17:27] <taw> that's not waht I want, but that's the only thing I can do?
[17:27] <taw> I want one terminal here, other there?
[17:30] <TheSheep> devilspie is fully programmable
[17:31] <TheSheep> you can invent any rules you want
[17:31] <TheSheep> as long as you can write them down in lisp
[17:36] <taw> any reference manual for it?
[17:43] <atrox_> whats the default network manager called in Xubuntu?
[17:44] <knome> atrox_, network manger.
[17:44] <knome> +a
[17:44] <atrox_> ok, im trying to establish a network connection using fluxbox with xubuntu
[17:44] <atrox_> and I got told in #fluxbox
 atrox_: then you need to ask your distro for how to connect using those tools properly.
[17:45] <knome> atrox_, do you have nm-applet running?
[18:05] <pteague> charlie-tca: cool, thanks for the timer plugin :)  not as easy/quick to set an immediate time & go, but guess it works :)
[18:06] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:10] <Mood> anyone try puppy linux?
[18:14] <fyahbun> hi
[18:14] <durt> Mood: what about it?
[18:14] <Mood> durt: how much smaller footprint vs xubuntu?
[18:14] <charlie-tca> !hi | fyahbun
[18:15] <fyahbun> hi thanks.
[18:15] <fyahbun> i need some help. its about the xubuntu booting.
[18:15] <Mood> fyahbun: just ask your question and someone may answer
[18:15] <charlie-tca> !help
[18:16] <durt> Mood: well I can't quantify it but it's much faster, Xubuntu is unuseable on my old PII 96 meg lappy but puppy is faily good, but as all linux distros go web surfing sux with gecko.
[18:17] <durt> on old machines
[18:17] <Mood> durt: if you want the smallest linux footprint, why choose puppy over DSL?
[18:17] <Mood> puppy seems in-between xubuntu and DSL
[18:17] <durt> Mood: dunno
[18:17] <fyahbun> i've looking, and it seen that I have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add rootdelay=90, this is for  Ubuntu, but on Xubuntu??
[18:17] <Mood> durt: have you tried dillo?
[18:17] <charlie-tca> fyahbun: Xubuntu will use the same options
[18:17] <durt> dillo is still alpha, so is midori
[18:18] <Mood> durt: you have puppy installed on one machine?
[18:18] <durt> Mood: not anymore, I use U-lite on that old lappy
[18:19] <fyahbun> yes. now i see the menu.lst, but where exactly should I change the rootdelay?
[18:19] <Mood> durt: what made you change to u-lite?
[18:19] <Mood> ease?
[18:19] <durt> Mood: I just like experimenting.
[18:20] <Mood> durt: ah
[18:20] <Mood> durt: remember what x manager you used w/ puppy? xfce?
[18:20] <charlie-tca> fyahbun: to the end of the line that starts with "kernel"
[18:20] <durt> Mood: also puppy is a 'live distro' HD install is a PITA
[18:21] <durt> Mood: no, IIRC lxde
[18:21] <charlie-tca> fyahbun: this explains it in detail: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-985348.html
[18:22] <fyahbun> charlie-tca: thanks, I'll check it.
[18:22] <Mood> durt: your experience w/ puppy HD install was challenging?
[18:22] <charlie-tca> puppy and dsl would be better discussed in #xubuntu-offtopic
[18:22] <Mood> charlie-tca: ok. was just curious w/ other ppl w/ limited hardware
[18:23] <charlie-tca> You could ask here and then have them enter the offtopic channel for more discussions
[18:23] <Mood> charlie-tca: gotcha
[18:23] <durt> Mood: join #xubuntu-offtopic
[18:53] <Foxkeh> I was just trying to play a game that used
[18:54] <Foxkeh> Oops, hit enter to early. Anyways: That used Java and needed to login and whenever I hit a key it would just go into the quick find in Firefox, any idea how I can get it to type in the game, not the search?
[18:55] <taw__> Foxkeh, does clicking the game with mouse help?
[18:55] <Foxkeh> No, I tried that.
[18:57] <taw> Ok, now my xfce plays fine with fvwm
[18:58] <taw> Style Xfce4-panel NoTitle,!Borders,Sticky,WindowListSkip,CirculateSkipIcon,CirculateSkip, GNOMEUseHints
[18:58] <taw> that on .fvwmrc, and panels are ok
[19:05] <Foxkeh> Anyone got any idea what's wrong with my Java?
[19:20] <sood> hi every1
[19:22] <sood> hey i m new to linux and just want help ,over few topics like sessions
[19:22] <sood> i mean how to delete the last saved sessions in xubunutu linux
[19:22] <sood> help please
[19:25] <Foxkeh> I'm not sure how to delete, but if you don't want to get back to your last session, then uncheck "Save my session" when shutting down. If it doesn't work, log out and go into "Sessions>1. XFCE session", I think that's what it's called. It's one below "last session".
[19:27] <sood> thax Foxkeh for rep,i did tht only but still it asks me for two sessions Gaurav and default
[19:27] <sood> i mean my last two session names
[19:30] <Foxkeh> So, you mean you just want to delete the sessions? That's all?
[19:37] <sood> yaa
[20:19] <Aquina> how can I forc-rebuild the Xfce menu?
[20:20] <taw> does update-menus help?
[20:28] <Aquina> *lol*
[20:28] <Aquina> I performed it before I read your post.
[20:29] <Aquina> Now the menue has lost my customization.
[20:30] <Aquina> The entry under Office (office software) I modified is not shown laso.
[20:30] <Aquina> I need to know how exactly XFCE generates the menue. Where it reads desktop files, where it takes the icons from etc.
[20:31] <Aquina> :-( *cry*
[20:31] <Aquina> Can I undo update menus? Is there a way to recover?
[20:33] <taw> anyway you better find way to do your changes update-menus compatible, since that's run after you install/uninstall apps
[20:33] <taw> (or that is what I think, correct me if I'm wrong)
[20:34] <taw> run 'update-menus -v' so you see bit more what's running
[20:36] <charlie-tca> Aquina: they should be coming from /usr/share/applications
[20:54] <taw> menu entries come from /usr/share/menu
[21:07] <Jan|> what do I need for a slideshow images screensaver on xuuntu?
[21:33] <crazygir> where might I find the eht0 interface device?
[21:34] <crazygir> *eth*
[21:34] <crazygir> I'd expect this in /dev..
[21:38] <zoredache> crazygir: what do you need it for?  can you provide more context?
[21:39] <crazygir> zoredache: well first, it's a bit puzzling when a distro breaks convention, secondly, I'm setting up networking in virtual box, and need to specify the location
[21:41] <zoredache> network interfaces don't usually have devices in /dev
[21:42] <B14CKH4T> i need to know the conky gedit command in xubuntu 8.10
[21:44] <crazygir> zoredache: ?
[21:44] <crazygir> where are they?
[21:45] <crazygir> if my interface is eth0, what would I tell vbox?
[21:45] <zoredache> tell it eth0 I would guess
[21:45] <crazygir> no good
[21:45] <crazygir> is there no device file?
[21:45] <crazygir> how does that work?
[21:45] <zoredache> not for network interfaces
[21:45] <TheSheep> zoredache: they don't?
[21:45] <crazygir> that seems rather crazy..
[21:46] <crazygir> maybe that's just me
[21:46] <zoredache> have you ever seen something named eth* under /dev?  I haven't
[21:46] <crazygir> zoredache: do you mean in other distros?
[21:46] <crazygir> yes.. plenty
[21:46] <TheSheep> zoredache: I think I did, but not with udev
[21:47] <zoredache> if you look at the man page for mknod, it talks about block and character devices.  Which which a network interface be?
[21:47] <TheSheep> character
[21:48] <TheSheep> just like the irda and bluetooth devices
[21:48] <crazygir> zoredache: still, every other distro I've used has it's networking device files in /dev.. at least somewhere
[21:49] <crazygir> it's fine if xubuntu doesn't, but I don't understand what the equivalent is
[21:49] <TheSheep> zoredache: and there is /etc/net/tun, which is also a network device
[21:49] <crazygir> so I'm not really sure what I should be telling vbox
[21:49] <crazygir> yea, I've got /dev/net/tun
[21:49] <zoredache> I have never seen them, but I have been pretty much exclusive to debian/ubuntu since 2001
[21:49] <crazygir> zoredache: gentoo, and the BSDs all use /dev/something
[21:50] <zoredache> I don't remeber every seeing device files for network interfaces
[21:50] <zoredache> ever*
[21:50] <charlie-tca> crazygir: did you make a tap ??
[21:50] <TheSheep> ok
[21:50] <TheSheep> I must have brought it from solaris or bsd
[21:50] <TheSheep> http://www.redhat.com/archives/guinness-list/2002-October/msg00031.html
[21:50] <charlie-tca> I never give VBox a location, just tell it to use tap1, after I created it.
[21:50] <crazygir> charlie-tca: for vbox? you don't need to anymore
[21:51] <crazygir> for host interface you should be able to specify the eth device and go on your merry way
[21:51] <crazygir> for the 2.x series at least
[21:51] <danopia> hi
[21:52] <charlie-tca> I still don't see where to put a location
[21:53] <charlie-tca> 2.1.4
[21:53] <crazygir> charlie-tca: docs say "interface name"  after trying eth0, I thought it'd want a device file
[21:54] <crazygir> supposedly there should be a list of available interfaces
[21:55] <crazygir> but I don't have one :P
[21:55] <charlie-tca> on 1.5, it was simply tap1. I gather eth0 won't work, maybe there is something on the VBox forums
[21:55] <crazygir> yea, I've asked around the vbox irc
[21:55] <crazygir> so far no luck
[21:55] <charlie-tca> Maybe you have to create a virtual interface, like eth0:0 in /etc/network/interface
[21:56] <charlie-tca> I'm just using NAT in jaunty. I haven't played with it much yet
[21:58] <dekkard> got a little problem... booted into an xfce session.. and all the fonts.. are like 80 point.. is there a config file I can delete so that i can start a session like its the first time?
[21:59] <B14CKH4T> u check your grafic card
[21:59] <dekkard> no.. but lxde session is fine
[22:00] <Mood> dekkard: settingsmanager?
[22:00] <charlie-tca> dekkard: It is the DPI setting.
[22:01] <dekkard> here is the problem... everything is so big.. I mean totally huge, that i can barely navigate any menus.. i mean fonts are like two inches tall
[22:01] <crazygir> charlie-tca: how would I create the virtual interface like eth0:0?
[22:01] <dekkard> dpi..dot per inch
[22:01] <charlie-tca> In Intrepid, it should be Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager - User Interface
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Font DPI needs to be a lower number. Sometimes, restarting will lower it automatically
[22:01] <dekkard> is there a way for me to invoke the xfce settings manager from another de so that i can get to it?
[22:02] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[22:02] <zoredache> at least from the cli, you simply do an ifconfig eth0:0 address netmask  etch
[22:02] <dekkard> like from the cli
[22:02] <crazygir> thanks
[22:02] <charlie-tca> crazygir: I can't remember, unfortunately
[22:02] <crazygir> zoredache: did
[22:02] <crazygir> erg..
[22:02] <crazygir> charlie-tca: zoredache did
[22:03]  * charlie-tca sees it now. should have read first
[22:04] <TheSheep> dekkard: it's mce-show-settings or something like that
[22:05] <TheSheep> dekkard: use tab completion
[22:05] <dekkard> hmmm all i got was mcedit
[22:29] <Raybdbomb> my clock on my system gets slow 1-2 minutes a month, anyone know how to make it so this doesn't happen? my desktop time is currently about 90 seconds off of the real time
[22:29] <TheSheep> !ntp
[22:30] <Raybdbomb> thx
[22:43] <Mood> anyone use screen on xubunutu?
[22:43] <Mood> gnu screen, i should clarify
[22:44] <rocko> !3d
[22:44] <zoredache> yes, did you have a question?
[22:44] <rocko> !ati
[22:44] <zoredache> !anyone
[22:45] <rocko> I use gnu screen Mood
[22:45] <rocko> I have used it
[22:45] <Raybdbomb> http://halbot.haluze.sk/images/2007-09/3597_tom2.JPG
[22:46] <Mood> how would you use screen ssh into a remote server? would you use screen on the local machine, then ssh? or would you ssh into remote, then run screen?
[22:46] <Raybdbomb> sorry wrong chan :(
[22:46] <rocko> Mood what do you need ?
[22:46] <rocko> um I don't think you need to Mood
[22:46] <rocko> screen just allows you to use more programs
[22:47] <zoredache> Mood: it depends... do you want the session to live on the local or remote system.  If you don't trust the network, then your ession should probably be remote
[22:47] <rocko> yes you would need to use screen again on the other machine when you login i think
[22:47] <rocko> not sure though
[22:47] <Mood> zoredache: that's exactly what i needed to know. but running screen on the remote server shows me an error of "cannot fine /dev/pts/1", which is the terminal display of my ssh session
[22:47] <Mood> find*
[22:48] <rocko> maybe you should ask screen
[22:48] <rocko> or look at the manpage Mood http://www.mediacollege.com/cgi-bin/man/page.cgi?topic=screen
[22:48] <Mood> i'm thinking perhaps screen is somehow partly disabled on the remote server
[22:49] <zoredache> perhaps... I know I have connected to my home computer right now through ssh, adn running screen, and my irc client within that
[22:49] <Mood> zoredache: so starting from an xterm, you ssh into remote server, run screen on remote, then you can detach/attach even when connection breaks?
[22:50] <zoredache> I usually do it all in a single command   ssh enterprise" -x /usr/bin/ssh -X -t cfrancy@hostname screen -rd
[22:51] <zoredache> bleah.. that paste broke   xfce4-terminal --title="Terminal - ssh enterprise" -x /usr/bin/ssh -X -t cfrancy@hostname screen -rd
[22:52] <zoredache> the screen -rd part tell screen on the remote side to reconnect to the existing session and detach anything else
[22:53] <Mood> zoredache: ah ok, i think i follow
[22:56] <Mood> once it's detached, it's still in bg, right? you'd have to either kill the pid manually or from screen, right?
[22:57] <TheSheep> yes
[22:59] <Aquina> Thnak you, taw and charlie-tca. I had a menu.xml backed up I was able to restore from our server. Nevertheless I don't realize why a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications isn't being updated after change as it was earlier.
[23:01] <Aquina> Maybe I broke some functionality somewhere.
[23:01] <charlie-tca> I don't know, either.
[23:01] <charlie-tca> What about creating a new .desktop and seeing if it will use that on?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> one?
[23:03] <zoredache> Mood: yes, when it is detached it stays around until forever
[23:04] <Mood> whoa. was that a net split?
[23:04] <Mood> or is it just my crappy internet connection?
[23:04] <charlie-tca> netsplit, I think
[23:15] <Aquina> I'll try that charlie....
[23:46] <degrit> I am trying to install xubuntu via the ubuntu netinst - do I have to check "Ubuntu Studio Desktop (must install)" on top of "Xubuntu desktop" when the relevant menu appears ?