[00:00] <LaserJock> I'd talk to #ltsp though perhaps
[00:01] <Lns> Svenstaro: what are the most commonly used apps in the network?  What are your server specs?
[00:02] <Svenstaro> Depending on the lesson, the clients will do research on the web, watch youtube videos, watch educational videos, compile Lazarus applications, create documents in openoffice.
[00:03] <Svenstaro> Server specs are roughly 2x2.6ghz xeon (gives me 8 cores), 16GB RAM, 750GB*3 in Raid1, 1Gbit*2 NICs.
[00:10] <Lns> Svenstaro: you should have no issues with that i think
[00:10] <Lns> the only thing i'd watch out for is the streaming video, which is hard to deal with when lots of people are doing it at the same time
[00:10] <Lns> might want to use localapps for that portion, otherwise you're way over spec (imho).
[00:11] <Svenstaro> Lns, what would you use for 50 clients to match the demands that I have listed earlier?
[00:11] <Lns> Svenstaro: I'd also look into Ethernet bonding (check out http://www.howtoforge.com/network_bonding_ubuntu_6.10 ) to handle the network load
[00:11] <Svenstaro> Lns, I was planning on doing that.
[00:11] <Lns> you should be fine.
[00:12] <Lns> I can't say what i'd use, but I can tell you that for 35 clients, i'm using a 2x dualcore xeon 1.6GHz system w/8GB RAM, and it works fine.
[00:13] <Lns> the only time it chokes is when people are doing things graphically intensive like huge flash enabled websites (usually proprietary software related)
[00:13] <Lns> What are your client specs?
[00:13] <Ahmuck-Jr> mine chokes when printing
[00:13] <Ahmuck-Jr> the server doesn't, but every client does
[00:14] <Svenstaro> Lns, depends, there are two generations for the most part, those using 1.6ghz amd athlons and those using 1.2ghz p4s
[00:14] <Lns> Svenstaro: how much ram? that's the biggest factor
[00:14] <Lns> Ahmuck-Jr: are you doing local printing or network?
[00:14] <Svenstaro> Lns, 512mb mostly, up to 1GB
[00:14] <Lns> Svenstaro: oh that's more than enough =)
[00:14] <Lns> you shouldn't have an issue
[00:15] <Svenstaro> Oh sounds nice then, thanks :)
[00:15] <Lns> make sure your ethernet from the server is performing at 1Gb/sec though
[00:15] <Lns> (at least)
[01:15] <Ahmuck-Jr> Lns: i'm using hplip (current) and printing from the client to a printer hooked to the server
[01:16] <Ahmuck-Jr> oddly it wasn't doing it this afternoon
[01:16] <Ahmuck-Jr> but i just did an update as well.  i'll have to do some more trouble shooting this evening.  i'm not sure if it happens when someone clicks on the notificaiton dialog
[01:17] <Ahmuck-Jr> the notificaiton dialoge is a bit of a problem.  if the nurse prints out "John Doe's Sickness Progress Report" as a title, hplip spams it to every client.  as a result, everybody knows John Doe is sick
[01:17] <Ahmuck-Jr> with something
[02:36] <sbalneav> Ahmuck-Jr: This the notification icon, or the cups notification icon?
[02:37] <sbalneav> If it's the cups one, you can just stop that from starting up by rmoving it from th global session.
[02:43] <LaserJock> sbalneav: hi
[05:57] <nigro> hola
[14:52] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:03] <brettd> Hi there
[16:25] <LaserJock> morning Edu people
[16:26] <stgraber> moin LaserJock
[16:41] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Hey heyh
[16:42] <sbalneav> When's our bug day?  I made some headway on the Sabayon bug last night. :)
[16:44] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[16:44] <LaserJock> how far?
[16:44] <LaserJock> I'm lurking in the Desktop Team meeting right now
[16:44] <LaserJock> I'm going to poke them about sabayon
[16:44] <LaserJock> since officially Sabayon is a Desktop Team package as well
[16:54] <highvoltage> cool
[16:55]  * LaserJock bows to op-highvoltage
[17:02] <highvoltage> heh, oops
[17:02] <highvoltage> LaserJock: you forgot to bear me gifts!
[17:08] <LaserJock> well, that was kind of a dead end
[17:09] <LaserJock> sbalneav: how did last Friday go?
[17:21] <sbalneav> Good
[17:22] <sbalneav> Got a bit closer to sorting it out
[17:22] <sbalneav> I'll be working again on it tonight
[17:25] <LaserJock> do you have any specific patches?
[17:26] <sbalneav> Not yet.
[17:26] <sbalneav> Bunch of tweaks I've done
[17:26] <sbalneav> Are you around tonight?
[17:29] <LaserJock> yeah, I should mostly be around
[17:29] <sbalneav> OK
[17:29] <LaserJock> I've got to teach lab this afternoon so might be afk early evening for you
[17:29] <sbalneav> I'll ping you
[17:30] <LaserJock> I'm just sick of these "OMG, I can't believe Ubuntu has left this for this long!!!!!"
[17:34] <sbalneav> The issue is, of course, it's broken upstream
[17:39] <LaserJock> sbalneav: it does keep the bug count down
[17:39] <LaserJock> you pretty much know any new bug report is a dup ;-)
[18:02] <Lns> 'morning, folks
[18:02] <highvoltage> 'morning Lns
[18:03] <highvoltage> what's the good word? :)
[18:03] <Lns> hmmmmm....
[18:03]  * Lns thinks
[18:03] <Lns> Rain.
[18:03] <highvoltage> nice.
[18:03] <Lns> ha
[18:03] <Lns> Our area needs it bad, and we got it last night..thunder, hail and all
[18:03] <LaserJock> Lns: dude, it's even raining *here*!
[18:04] <Lns> LaserJock: !!! wow. Hopefully you've built some sand caves! ;)
[18:04] <highvoltage> today was the first time in a while that it hasn't rained here. but if it comes back I'll send some your way
[18:04] <LaserJock> I try to stay on high ground
[18:04] <Lns> highvoltage: thanks, just use the machines China used during the olympics ;)
[18:04] <highvoltage> heh. I always imagined LaserJock's area to be a very desert-like place with very little rain
[18:05] <LaserJock> yep
[18:05] <highvoltage> Lns: oh, I'll just send them via IRC.
[18:05] <Lns> haha
[18:05] <highvoltage> I just do my IRC rain dance and whala!
[18:05] <LaserJock> DDC SEND Rain
[18:05] <highvoltage> \o\ \o/ /o/
[18:05] <LaserJock> or is that DCC
[18:05] <LaserJock> I never use it so I never remember
[18:05] <highvoltage> Direct Client Copy
[18:05] <Lns> hahaha
[18:06] <Lns> what's new with edubuntu??
[18:06] <highvoltage> I think LaserJock and sbalneav talked to the desktop team about sabyon
[18:07] <highvoltage> but I haven't been able to follow
[18:07] <Lns> yeah i've seen a few bug report chatters
[18:07] <LaserJock> initially I just got "patches welcome" from seb128
[18:07] <LaserJock> but ember just asked if I had a particular bug # in mind
[18:08] <LaserJock> highvoltage: you feeling up to do some edubuntu.org page cleaning for Jaunty?
[18:08] <LaserJock> I've got a piece of paper here where I went through all the edubuntu.org content and made some notes on what needs to get updated/renamed/deleted
[18:09] <highvoltage> LaserJock: *very*
[18:09] <LaserJock> I don't think I've got time to actually do the changes
[18:09] <highvoltage> LaserJock: (really)
[18:09] <LaserJock> but I can throw up my notes somewhere so we have a TODO list
[18:09] <highvoltage> LaserJock: can you put that paper up somewhere?
[18:09] <highvoltage> that would be cool
[18:09] <LaserJock> yep
[18:09] <highvoltage> even if you send me a jpg of that paper it would be cool
[18:10] <LaserJock> the basic problems look to me like 1)version specific pages with generic names and 2) redundant pages
[18:10] <LaserJock> we had/have 3 different download pages, 2 home pages, and like 2 FAQs
[18:10] <highvoltage> LaserJock: in the spirit of community involvement I'll log bugs for all of the changes and post it to the list, then people who want to help with it that already have editing rights can get involved
[18:10] <highvoltage> 2 home pages?
[18:11] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:11] <LaserJock> an old home and a new home
[18:11] <LaserJock> the problem is when you make a new node as a draft, work, then change the URL alias to the new page
[18:11] <LaserJock> you're then left with the old node
[18:12] <highvoltage> ah
[18:16] <LaserJock> I was thinking that we should use some sort of naming scheme using the version
[18:16] <LaserJock> we have release pages for the current releases, but it's not always clear what release they belong to
[18:17] <LaserJock> and I'd like to have more supporting documentation (application lists, Errata perhaps, etc.) for *each* release
[18:17] <highvoltage> good idea
[18:18] <highvoltage> LaserJock: oh, are these the notes you're pasting now?
[18:18] <LaserJock> so pehaps we should do something like <release number>: <page>
[18:18] <LaserJock> no, these are my general thoughts
[18:18] <LaserJock> I just have really quick thoughts to write down
[18:18] <LaserJock> I'll throw up a wiki page
[18:18] <highvoltage> ok thanks
[18:18] <LaserJock> I *really* wish we could get rid of most of our wiki.ubuntu.com pages
[18:19] <LaserJock> there's just so much old cruft and organization that it's really unhelpful
[18:19] <highvoltage> what we could do is put a deletion banner on all of the ones that we think should be deleted
[18:20] <highvoltage> and just redirect them all to a "This page has been deleted" page with the reasons and links to the better pages
[18:20] <LaserJock> I think we have something ~ 200 wiki pages
[18:20] <highvoltage> *gulp* @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=Edubuntu&titlesearch=Titles
[18:21] <LaserJock> we have more "organization" (LP teams, wiki pages, etc.) than most derivatives
[18:21] <LaserJock> but by far the fewest people working and the fewest packages to manage
[18:21] <highvoltage> heh, how ironic
[18:21] <highvoltage> wow, getting to some of the weird stuff like "EdubuntuAmbassador"
[18:21] <highvoltage> nearly forgot about that
[18:22] <highvoltage> oosh, and it has my name on it. one of RichEd's old ideas
[18:23] <highvoltage> hmm, there's a few wiki pages that may have some value for the website at some point
[18:23] <highvoltage> like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Community/Photos
[18:23] <highvoltage> wow, meeting records. been a while since we had those
[18:24] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yes, 280 Wiki pages!
[18:24] <LaserJock> is there some way we can archive a bunch of stuff and start over?
[18:25] <LaserJock> I mean seriously, how is this going to help people
[18:25] <highvoltage> LaserJock: just skimming over, at leas half the current pages can be deleted forever without doing any harm
[18:27] <highvoltage> ok maybe not half
[18:27] <highvoltage> but a good amount
[18:27] <LaserJock> well, I wouldn't mind a decent pruning
[18:28] <LaserJock> if you do a google search for external sites that don't reference the page
[18:28] <LaserJock> and an intra-wiki search and nothing comes up I think we should be able to delete without fear
[18:29] <highvoltage> I think it's still a good idea to let them redirect somewhere. probably the edubuntu main page on the wiki, at least
[18:29] <LaserJock> I guess
[18:29] <LaserJock> it still clutters namespace
[18:29] <highvoltage> although they'll still... yes... spam the namespace
[18:29] <LaserJock> but at least it's mostly out of the way
[18:29] <LaserJock> if they're just internal team pages I don't see why we should feel the need to keep them
[18:29] <highvoltage> last when I talked to the docteam on this (was about 3 years ago probably) they weren't keen at all on deleting wiki pages
[18:30] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:30] <highvoltage> but I guess we should come up with a list and take it up with them
[18:30] <LaserJock> but that was mostly before the doc.ubuntu.com/wiki.ubuntu.com split
[18:30] <highvoltage> ah, true.
[18:30] <LaserJock> I don't think the Doc Team cares about wiki.ubuntu.com anymore
[18:30] <LaserJock> it's up to the relevant team to care
[18:30] <LaserJock> so bottom line:
[18:31] <LaserJock> * if it's something an outside person would use to get help it should go either on help.ubuntu.com or edubuntu.org
[18:31] <LaserJock> * if it's content internal to the team we should be fairly free to remove/change whatever we need
[18:32] <highvoltage> ok. can you put that up with the website todo too please?
[18:33] <LaserJock> at some point we're shooting ourselves in the foot in order to cater to people who shouldn't be looking at the pages anyway ;-)
[18:34] <highvoltage> LaserJock: oh wow, the wiki allows page deletion without admin intervention now
[18:34] <highvoltage> LaserJock: that makes things a *lot* easier
[18:35] <highvoltage> the ubuntu cookbook stuff is tricky
[18:35] <highvoltage> some iterations of it has a few chapters that might be good
[18:35] <LaserJock> highvoltage: is that cookbook stuff on wiki.ubuntu.com?
[18:37] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hmm, I see some of the cookbook stuff has been moved to help.ubuntu.com
[18:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:37] <LaserJock> was just going to mention that
[18:37] <highvoltage> LaserJock: do you think we still need those links in the wiki?
[18:38] <LaserJock> right now I just want like 5 pages on the wiki :-)
[18:38] <highvoltage> I don't think you can get it that small
[18:38] <highvoltage> I think we certainly want to keep historical meeting minutes
[18:38] <LaserJock> meetings, LP teams/organization, how to get involved, roadmap, TODO
[18:38] <highvoltage> and specifications
[18:39] <LaserJock> sure, I wasn't counting those
[18:39] <highvoltage> ok
[18:39] <LaserJock> beyond just archival pages
[18:39] <LaserJock> archives are good and we need to keep them for sure
[18:40] <LaserJock> but people landing at wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu are going to think we're a massive army :-)
[18:40] <highvoltage> oh dear
[18:41] <highvoltage> LaserJock: do we have a next meeting scheduled btw?
[18:41] <LaserJock> no
[18:42] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Website btw
[18:43] <LaserJock> what I'd *like* to do is to reflect the StrategyDocument in the wiki structure
[18:44] <LaserJock> somehow
[18:46] <highvoltage> thanks
[18:47] <LaserJock> highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryEdubuntuCleanup
[18:47] <LaserJock> perhaps we should make some more use of ^^
[18:47] <highvoltage> kubuntu has put their theme in a bzr branch
[18:47] <LaserJock> yep
[18:47] <highvoltage> it's ubuntish but has *much* less bugs than our current theme
[18:48] <LaserJock> mhm
[18:48] <highvoltage> I'll try to get that right before the jaunty release as well
[18:48] <LaserJock> can we take that and tweak the colors?
[18:48] <highvoltage> yes
[18:48] <LaserJock> btw
[18:49] <LaserJock> I see a CategoryEducation (which seems empty) but no CategoryEdubuntu
[18:49] <LaserJock> so perhaps a good first step is to go through the existing wiki
[18:49] <highvoltage> hmm, good point
[18:50] <LaserJock> and dump pages into one of the 3 categories: cleanup, education (for RichEds type stuff and general education), and edubuntu (our actual working stuff)
[18:50] <highvoltage> that sounds good
[18:51] <LaserJock> then that's our declared set of "Edubuntu" wiki pages
[18:51] <LaserJock> anything outside of that is "unofficial"
[18:53] <LaserJock> once everything is in one of those 3 categories we can start weeding
[18:59] <LaserJock> highvoltage: there's also CategoryEducationCleanup
[18:59] <LaserJock> so we have a Cleanup category for each of Edubuntu and Education
[19:10] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ok, so we basically don't have an easy way to know what pages are Edubuntu/Education specs
[19:10] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yeah I guess that will just take some manua lthought
[19:11] <LaserJock> highvoltage: well, google helped me out
[19:14] <LaserJock> highvoltage: something's odd with moin
[19:14] <LaserJock> highvoltage: when I go to the CategorySpec page it doesn't list any pages
[19:15] <LaserJock> but when I got to specfici specs they have CateogrySpec on them
[19:15] <LaserJock> there must be some threshold beyond which the category page no longer shows you the pages in that category
[19:19] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ah. LaserJock I have to go now, will catch up tomorrow
[19:19] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ok, let's keep it rolling ;-)
[19:20] <highvoltage> LaserJock: totally!
[19:39] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Still around?
[19:40] <LaserJock> sbalneav: yeah
[19:40] <sbalneav> Package question.
[19:40] <sbalneav> I'm running hardy here at work, and I need to upgrade cups to the one in Intrepid (1.3.9)
[19:40] <sbalneav> can I just download the .debs, and install them?
[19:44] <LaserJock> you can try
[19:45] <LaserJock> but cups has a lot of .debs to it
[19:45] <sbalneav> ok
[19:46] <LaserJock> it could take you a while to get the complete set
[19:46] <LaserJock> you could backport the source package though
[19:48] <LaserJock> sbalneav: what were you're magical sabayon output log lines?
[19:48] <sbalneav> Crumb, don't have 'em here at work.
[19:48] <LaserJock> k, I might have an IRC log of it
[19:49] <sbalneav> how would I backport?  Move the "debian" dir from 1.3.7 to a 1.3.9 dir?
[19:49] <sbalneav> and patch?
[19:49] <LaserJock> no
[19:49] <LaserJock> grab the intrepid source package off of LP
[19:49] <LaserJock> unpack it with dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[19:50] <LaserJock> go into the source dir and run debuild
[19:50] <sbalneav> ahhh
[19:50] <sbalneav> ok
[19:50] <sbalneav> I could do that
[19:52] <sbalneav> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys
[19:52] <sbalneav> Don't see the intrepid one.
[19:53] <sbalneav> I'm stupid.
[19:53] <sbalneav> What am I missing?
[19:54] <LaserJock> hmm, must have changed names or something
[19:54] <LaserJock> right
[19:55] <LaserJock> sbalneav: it's https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups
[20:03] <LaserJock> highvoltage: turns out a number of pages were using CategoryEdubuntu but there was no category page, I fixed that