[00:02] <DaSkreech> rickspencer31: I see your 31 and raise you 32
[00:03] <rickspencer31> me
[00:04] <rickspencer31> meh
[00:04] <rickspencer31> :)
[01:18] <Riddell> rgreening: what should I say about you in your MOTU application?
[01:19] <rgreening> well, the truth
[01:19] <rgreening> :)
[01:20] <Riddell> roderick likes Irn Bru, the man is faultless
[01:20] <rgreening> you sponsored some stuff (like Qt, some scim fixes, qtjambi, a bunch of update-notifier-kde updates and patches.
[01:20] <rgreening> lol
[01:20] <rgreening> bwahahahaha
[01:20] <rgreening> and hates american beer
[01:22] <rgreening> and I am definately not faultless, but very adept (pardon the packaging pun) at lerning to package
[01:25] <Riddell> shtylman: considered coming to UDS?
[01:26] <Riddell> nhandler: how about yourself?
[01:27] <Riddell> freeflying: we're all still waiting for you to come to a UDS
[01:27]  * vorian thinks nhandler may be a wee bit young yet.
[01:27] <Riddell> Fale: your blog should be up on planet now
[01:28] <ScottK> We've had young'uns at UDS before.
[01:28] <freeflying> Riddell: not sure if can I go :)
[01:29] <Riddell> how old is nhandler?
[01:30] <rgreening> Riddell: got muh stikahs in da mail! :)
[01:30] <rgreening> ty
[01:32] <maco> ScottK: how young?
[01:32] <ScottK> I know there was at least one 18 at Prague and I think one under 18.
[01:33] <Riddell> we've had 16 year olds at Akademy, that's fine in Scotland
[01:33] <ScottK> pochu would be the one in question and I think he was under 18.
[01:34] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure robert carr was 16 when he first came to UDS, although his parents were somewhere (dunno why, I went travelling around all over at 16)
[01:36] <maco> heh i went to the UK when i was 11 without my parents
[01:37] <Tonio_> glatzor: there is a little issue with packagekit (ftbfs for i386, due to s/site-packages/dist-packages)
[01:38] <Tonio_> glatzor: I'm not at all in python2.6 transitions issue so I dunno what's the best...
[01:38] <maco> i'm filling out the uds sponsorship thing right now...and going  "um...well i'm learning about this stuff...but im still not good at it...umm..oh dear..."
[01:38]  * ScottK went on a SCUBA diving trip in the Bahamas when he was 13.  There are still things his parents didn't hear about that trip.
[01:38] <Tonio_> glatzor: in any case the fact it goes a different folder for amd64 vs i386 is weird...
[01:38] <shtylman> Riddell: UDS?
[01:38] <Tonio_> anyone has infos on the issues towards to python ?
[01:38] <ScottK> Tonio_: What's the problem?
[01:39] <Riddell> shtylman: Ubuntu summit, a week in Barcelona all expenses paid for those who get sponsorship, in return for long days of discussion about the next six months in Ubuntu land
[01:39] <Tonio_> ScottK: python files installation path is different with amd64 and i386.... the result is a superb ftbfs for i386 btw :)
[01:39] <Riddell> shtylman: this has the how to apply for sponsorship link http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/02/19/announcing-the-karmic-koala-ubuntu-developer-summit/
[01:39] <ScottK> Weird.  Where's the package?
[01:39] <maco> or just go http://summit.ubuntu.com
[01:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~packagekit/+archive/ppa
[01:40] <ScottK> maco: Did you apply?
[01:40] <seele> maco: did you say you were accepted?
[01:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: the change seems normal, so the ftbfs is normal I'd say :)
[01:40] <maco> no im applying
[01:40] <maco> acceptance doesnt happen yet
[01:40] <seele> ah
[01:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: the point is that it should have fail for all arch
[01:40] <seele> maco: you better do that soon, it's due wednesday
[01:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: that's what looses me....
[01:40] <Riddell> danimo_: qt-creator in https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-creator/1.0.0-0ubuntu1
[01:41] <Tonio_> ScottK: lemme guess.... python packages are arch all right ?
[01:41] <ScottK> Often
[01:41] <ScottK> Which whould explain it.
[01:42] <Tonio_> ScottK: they shouldn't be built on amd64, that would explain :)
[01:42] <Riddell> fabo: qt-creator there if you're interested in it
[01:42] <Tonio_> ScottK: yup.... let's try to fix and upload then
[01:42] <maco> is this the difference between "arch: any" and "arch: all"?
[01:42] <shtylman> Riddell: cool, I would like to go, my only concern is that I havn't done enough work yet to get sponsorship
[01:43] <maco> shtylman: do you still feel like duckiing behind a chair when you pop your head up in some developer areas too?
[01:44] <seele> maco: hah.. how do you think i feel at those things? :P
[01:44] <Riddell> shtylman: only way to find out is to apply :)
[01:44] <shtylman> maco: yea...yea...I think I do.. :)
[01:44] <shtylman> Riddell: true...
[01:45] <maco> i think i was a member of ubuntu-devel mailing list for a few months before saying anything. and ive only ever sent one message to alsa-devel because they're upstream and upstream's automatically scarier (to me) than ubuntu
[01:45] <Riddell> maco: any builds on any arch, all builds once and the same package is used on all arches.  use 'all' for arch independeny packages (data, non-binary python)
[01:46] <shtylman> maco: yea...I know the feeling... I finally just bit the bullet and started posting and asking questions...figured I would look dumb at first but learn soon enough
[01:46] <maco> Riddell: so is that difference what you're running into right now?
[01:46] <Riddell> maco: what am I running into?
[01:47] <maco> Riddell: er..."you"-plural. but Tonio_ really. i meant is any v. all the source of the problem with whatever package he's talking about
[01:47] <ScottK> Tonio_: I just tossed a possible (untested) fix at my PPA.  We'll see if it sticks.
[01:48] <Tonio_> maco:
[01:48] <Tonio_> oops... ScottK, there is no doubt, the issue's there :)
[01:49] <Tonio_> ScottK: I've uploaded the fix to the packagekit ppa, and then when it works, I'll upload to the archives...
[01:49] <ScottK> The same fix I uploaded?
[01:52] <Tonio_> ScottK: I haven't seen your fix but if that's a sed -i "s/site-packages/dist-packages/" debian/python-packagekit.install
[01:52] <Tonio_> ScottK: then yes, we have the same fix, I guess :)
[01:53] <ScottK> That probably won't do it as 2.5 is still site-packages.
[01:53] <ScottK> *-packages ...
[01:53] <Tonio_> ScottK: well... if we depend on python2.6, that should be fine no ?
[01:54] <Tonio_> ScottK: you mean for easier backports ?
[01:54] <Tonio_> why not, indeed...
[01:54] <Tonio_> I thought about that, but prefered the "dist" way :)
[01:55] <ScottK> Are you building for both supported versions?
[01:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: we just build against python 2.6 afaics
[01:55] <ScottK> OK.  Then that should work.
[01:56] <Tonio_> ScottK: yeah, it only build-deps on python-dev
[01:56] <Tonio_> should be okay I think
[01:56] <ScottK> Generally we want bindings for all supported pythons
[01:57] <freeflying> Tonio_: any progress on redraw issue?
[01:58] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum, I would of course agree, but that's probably to discuss with glatzor... he might have reasons not to do that, dunno...
[02:00] <maco> hey where are the kmail imap users? after today's updates does kmail turn the cursor into a "wait" spinner and then just hang until you force quit?
[02:01] <Tonio_> maco: I use kmail with imap, but disconnected imap
[02:01] <Tonio_> maco: I didn't notice any issue on that point...
[02:01] <Tonio_> maco: are you using regular imap ?
[02:01] <maco> the kmail gui also turns into "well im a blank window with a title bar...do i still count as an application?" when i tell it to reply all
[02:01] <Tonio_> maco: feel free to report a bug on that point, btw :)
[02:01] <maco> oh umthat wait spinner is only for after i hit reply all. its fine til i get to that point
[02:02] <Tonio_> maco: hum that sounds rude... using jaunty of intrepid ?
[02:02] <maco> jaunty
[02:02] <maco> which is why i ask here instead of #kubuntu
[02:02] <maco> (figure #ubuntu+1 is mostly gnome users)
[02:02] <Tonio_> maco: two possibilities
[02:03] <Tonio_> 1/ global and reproductible issue...
[02:03] <Tonio_> 2/ crappy cache
[02:03] <Tonio_> maco: have you tried going with a clean config and set your imap account ?
[02:04] <Tonio_> maco: no kdepim update since 02/20 so I'd go with option 2....
[02:04] <Tonio_> but this sounds bad if the cache still can get corrupted, that used to happen sometimes with kde3 kmail...
[02:05] <maco> there was a libc6 update...
[02:06] <ScottK> maco: Are you on IPv6 by chance?
[02:06] <maco> it told me it had to restart kdm, so i stopped kdm from a tty, installed updates, and restarted kdm
[02:06] <maco> ScottK: no
[02:06] <maco> after i restarted kdm, i cant do "reply to all"
[02:06] <ScottK> IIRC there were some IPv6 related changes.
[02:07] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum, yeah but that shouldn't, afaik, hand kmail when clicking "reply all" right ? ;)
[02:07] <ScottK> Since she's not using IPv6 no, but if there's some network lookup invovled perhaps.
[02:07]  * ScottK doesn't recall exactly where IMAP finds stuff
[02:08]  * ScottK confesses to grasping a straws there.
[02:08] <maco> ScottK: i havent figured out how to setup ipv6 yet, and while i'll be at jsklein's tomorrow (if you see any ipv6 bugs, subscribe him, by the way), he has ipv6 already so that wont help me configure my laptop for when i want my own v6 tunnel over a v4 net
[02:09] <dtchen_> IPv6 changes in any resolver really need a reboot.
[02:09] <maco> i say to subscribe him because he's a member of the ipv6 taskforce that told jcastro he'd take the ipv6 bugs since ubuntu is his test environment and it's in his best interest to make sure it works well on ubuntu
[02:09] <maco> bah ok ill try rebooting then see if i can reply
[02:09] <Riddell> shtylman: deadline is day after tomorrow so don't delay if you want to come
[02:12] <ScottK> Tonio_: My version built.
[02:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: nice :) I'm waiting for the ppa to start now...
[02:13] <ScottK> Tonio_: All I did was /site-packages/*-packages/ in debian/python-packagekit.install
[02:14] <ScottK> No need to fiddle the upstream build system.
[02:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: well my fix is almost the same... should work too
[02:17] <rgreening> scottk: i did that in one of the jaunty kde 4.2.1 updates as well :) ha
[02:20] <maco> dtchen_: you're smart.
[02:20] <dtchen_> no, i'm dtchen_
[02:26] <ScottK> Tonio_: Also there's no need to build-dep on both python and python-dev.
[02:26] <ScottK> python-dev includes python
[02:26] <shtylman> Riddell: k, I will give it a shot, thanks
[02:26] <Tonio_> ScottK: well.... I know that :)
[02:26] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'm testing to see if it will build for all supported Python's now.
[02:26] <ScottK> Well fix it then.
[02:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: feel free to send a debdiff to glatzor :)
[02:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: or I'll do it tomorrow, but it's *really* for me to go sleep now :)
[02:27] <ScottK> OK.  Good night.
[02:28] <x-f> Can i ask here a littel kate Problem? -> After the last update from kate i have this problem (kate 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 ). Every file open in a new window...
[02:28] <x-f> hi ;)
[02:28] <Tonio_> 3h37 here.... and I wake up at 7 :/
[02:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: but I'll push a fix tomorrow then
[02:28] <ScottK> OK.  I'll have results for if it can support all pythons by then too.
[02:28] <ScottK> Tonio_: Just remember: Sleep is for the weak.
[02:29] <dtchen_> Tonio_: i'll trade you. i'll probably be up til 0100 doing alsa and pulseaudio fixes, and i have to be awake at 0430 to catch the train to work.
[02:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: :)
[02:29] <Tonio_> dtchen_: ouch.....
[02:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: then, just right now, believe me, I'm proud of my weakness :)
[02:30] <ScottK> ;-)
[02:31] <x-f> can anybody help me? ;)
[02:32] <shtylman> maybe :)
[02:33] <shtylman> x-f: #kubuntu would probly be a better place to ask, but does that happen when opening from within kate? or just double clicking in the file manager?
[02:34] <x-f> Filemanager(Dolphin) and Krusader (I tried kubuntu channel, but everybody spamm in that channel ;) )
[02:36] <shtylman> x-f: IIRC that is the correct behavior...when you click on a file in dolphin it will open a new instance of kate...are you looking to change it so it doesn't?
[02:37] <x-f> yes, before that update always opened in the same window
[02:37] <x-f> i don't find any setting for that
[02:39] <x-f> shtylman: i tried everything, normal i search in google... but i found no solution to this problem
[02:43] <shtylman> x-f: open system settings -> file assiciations
[02:44] <shtylman> x-f: search for 'plain' and click on it under text
[02:44] <shtylman> x-f: in application preference select 'Kate' and click edit...then in the application tab click advanced options
[02:45] <x-f> big thx ;)
[02:45] <shtylman> x-f: under advanced options in DBUS registration change to Single instance
[02:45] <shtylman> x-f: np
[02:46] <ScottK> rgreening: I see you're a member of the packagekit team.  If I give you a Python improvemet debdiff would you put it in their PPA?
[02:47] <rgreening> I wouldn. not yet approved
[02:47] <rgreening> I applied
[02:47] <ScottK> Right.  Sorry .   Misread the page.
[02:48] <rgreening> np. I would though, if I could
[02:48] <ScottK> Doesn't look like any who are likely awake ATM.
[02:49] <x-f> good night alreday 4:00 ;)
[02:49] <rgreening> Tonio_: could have
[02:49] <ScottK> Yep.
[02:49] <rgreening> lol
[03:23] <dtchen_> maco: RE: v6 - straightforward, actually.
[03:24] <maco> what?
[03:24] <maco> woah
[03:24] <maco> youre on v6
[03:24] <dtchen> maco: you're on jaunty, so it's incredibly straightforward. $install miredo, connect to ipv6.chat.us.freenode.net
[03:24] <maco> i was trying to set up a hurricane electric tunnel
[03:25] <maco> the v4 nat was killing it
[03:25] <dtchen> i just backported libcap2 and miredo to hardy
[03:25] <dtchen> works dandy
[03:26] <dtchen_> oh, you probably want to adjust /etc/default/ufw:^IPV6=
[03:26] <dtchen_> (needs to be "YES")
[03:27] <maco> right right
[03:54] <ScottK> dtchen_: That sounds like something useful to do as an official backport.
[03:55] <dtchen_> ScottK: lock-step, however: libcap2 needs to be backported first, and miredo requires libcap2-dev as a build-dependency.
[03:56] <ScottK> dtchen_: OK.  Ping me when you're ready for approvals.
[03:56] <dtchen_> ok
[03:56] <maco> and irssi on jaunty with miredo is not working for me -_- though ipv6.google.com is dandy
[04:06] <Fale> Riddell: you are awesome :)
[04:14] <ScottK> maco: Thanks for your comments on pidgin in Kubuntu.  I think it's fostering some useful discussion.
[04:22] <nhandler> Riddell: To answer your question, I'm not going to UDS. I probably won't make it out to one for a few more years (unless we get it in Chicago ;) )
[04:32] <maco> ScottK: its annoying me!
[04:32] <ScottK> maco: Do you have pidgin-libnotify?
[04:32] <maco> yes
[04:32] <maco> and its enabled
[04:32] <ScottK> And libnotify1?
[04:33] <maco> yes
[04:33] <maco> and its being ignored in favor of notify-osd
[04:33] <maco> because i have both
[04:33] <ScottK> So what if you remove notify-osd?
[04:33] <maco> testing...
[04:35] <maco> ><
[04:35] <ScottK> nhandler: What's the problem with traveling?  Parents?
[04:35] <maco> i removed notify-osd and i STILL see canonical-style notifications
[04:35] <ScottK> Did you stop it too?
[04:35] <maco> (btw im in gnome right now so that pidgin is usable)
[04:35] <maco> oh
[04:35] <nhandler> scottk: Mainly. I also have school
[04:36] <nhandler> I'm going to bed. I'm still a little tired from traveling
[04:37] <maco> ok ive stopped notify-osd as well and restarted pidgin
[04:37] <maco> no libnotify notification
[04:37] <maco> like, i have libnotify stuff all installed and enabled, but its not doing anything
[04:37] <ScottK> Sounds like a bug then.  Please file it.
[04:37] <ScottK> And follow up to the ML thread with it.
[04:39] <maco> ok
[05:02] <maco> ScottK: any idea how long until my posts to -devel stop having to go to moderation? i was under the impression that wannabe-developers could get out of the "must be moderated" list after a while
[05:02] <ScottK> I suspect it take asking.
[05:02] <ScottK> I was already a MOTU when they split the lists, so no personal experience at all.
[05:02] <ScottK> take/takes
[08:14] <fabo> Riddell: qtcreator/ubuntu based on mine ?
[08:15] <fabo> (mine is on alioth since january)
[08:25] <fabo> Riddell: after reading your thread about phonon, it seems phonon should be built with Qt. it remains xine backend issue to resolve
[08:43] <doc___> morning
[10:00] <Tonio_> rgreening: I'll probably upload packagekit/kpackagekit to the archives toonight
[10:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: yay
[10:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;)
[10:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to work well for me
[11:49] <glatzor> thank for the ftbs fix, Tonio_
[11:50] <Tonio_> yw :)
[11:54] <Riddell> good morning bothorsen
[11:55] <bothorsen> Riddell: Good afternoon :-)
[11:55] <Riddell> bothorsen: welcome to Kubuntu!
[11:57]  * seele yawns
[11:57] <seele> ugh, my clock is wrong, it's not even 7 yet
[11:57] <Riddell> bothorsen: feel free to introduce yourself :)
[11:57] <Riddell> seele: go back to sleep!
[11:57] <bothorsen> Riddell: Thanks :)
[11:58]  * bothorsen is a Qt/KDE coder and I will be working with the Canonical Desktop Experience (TM, I think) team on KDE and Kubuntu
[11:59] <seele> Riddell: i can't, tea is steeping and i've got prepare for class
[11:59]  * smarter waves
[11:59] <smarter> bothorsen: welcome! :) Is any of your Qt/KDE work available on the net?
[12:00] <bothorsen> smarter: I used to work a lot on KMail for the Kolab project
[12:00] <bothorsen> Also some work on KAddressBook and KOrganizer
[12:01] <bothorsen> And the odd bits here and there on the libraries, but I have always been more focused on the applications
[12:01] <seele> bothorsen: were you in akademy last year?
[12:01] <smarter> seems cool :)
[12:01] <bothorsen> seele: No, unfortunately not
[12:02] <bothorsen> seele: I read your blog about the notifications - I'll be working on those
[12:03] <seele> bothorsen: hopefully it will be a good time :)
[12:03] <Riddell> bothorsen: do you know where to start?
[12:03] <bothorsen> seele: I hope so - and I'm sure we will figure out to do it in a way that the KDE and Kubuntu teams are happy with
[12:04] <Riddell> lots of tickboxes for configuration :)
[12:04] <bothorsen> Riddell: Right now I'm reading about all the different notification implementations we have in KDE, GNOME and freedesktop
[12:05] <Riddell> ooh politial minefield at the first step :)
[12:05] <Riddell> there's no such thing as freedesktop notifications, there's just the galago/gnome ones that cheekily use the freedesktop namespace
[12:05] <Riddell> but hopefully you can help get the KDE and Gnome stuff into a freedesktop happy spec and have notifications that work across desktops
[12:06] <bothorsen> Riddell: Exactly
[12:07] <Riddell> bothorsen: you might want to say hi on #plasma when you get a chance, get that upstream relations thing going sooner rather than later
[12:07] <bothorsen> Riddell: Will do, thanks for the hint
[12:08] <davidbarth> bothorsen: ouch, remember, galago hijacked the namespace ;)
[12:08] <bothorsen> davidbarth: Yes
[12:08] <davidbarth> org.freedesktop.VisualNotifications may be an FD.o standard at some point
[12:10] <Riddell> bothorsen: stuff I'd most like to see is the KDE/Gnome talking together, the message indicator as a systray plasmoid (may want to investigate sebas's lionmail there too), having notifications good enough for use by amarok (needs images for album covers) and having it work for volume and brightness up/down in a similar nice way as ubuntu now has
[12:10] <Riddell> of course other Kubuntu folks will have different ideas and priorities, as will your DX and UX teammates
[12:13] <bothorsen> Riddell: Right now, I'm still focused on trying to come up with a plan that will satisfy as many people as possible and offer a way forward
[12:14] <seele> bothorsen: two people to ping about notifications: aseigo about the fdo spec and sebas about the display
[12:15] <seele> i think sebas had the most interest in the display because of the widget he is currently working on
[12:15] <bothorsen> seele: Thanks for the hints
[12:15]  * seaLne suggests locking some gnomes and gearheads in a bof room at gcds to discuss notifications
[12:15] <bothorsen> I know sebas has been in touch with some people from our team
[12:16] <seele> yep
[12:16] <bothorsen> I'm just reading the stuff on the net before asking them - would be rude to do it the other way
[12:21] <ScottK> bothorsen: We currently have some bugs with respect to the current KDE notifications.  Would you be able to help out with those?
[12:21] <ScottK> bothorsen: Welcome (BTW)
[12:21] <bothorsen> ScottK: Thanks :)
[12:22] <bothorsen> ScottK: That might be a good way in to the current code, but it will probably take a couple of days before I'm there
[12:22] <ScottK> Of course.
[12:41] <seele> time for traffic..
[12:53] <ScottK> I'm really interested in seeing how Qt 4.5 final does on the ports archs.  RC1 wasn't so great.
[13:21] <Riddell> fabo: didn't see you  had creator packages, where's that?
[13:51] <seele> leaving early has pros and cons. it takes way less time but makes my day much longer
[14:35] <Quintasan> Hi!
[14:37] <fabo> Riddell: on alioth ~. I sent the link to rgreening when i prepared qt 4.5 snapshots.
[14:37] <fabo> Riddell: my package is a bit different, it's splitted in 2 => creator and -plugins
[14:39] <Riddell> fabo: did you get the .desktop and mime files?
[14:40] <fabo> Riddell: no, not in my snapshot from git (1.0.0 wip).
[14:41] <fabo> i except an 1.0.0 upload tonight
[14:41] <Riddell> fabo: they're not included in the upstream source for some reason, you can grab them from my package
[14:41] <fabo> ok, thks
[14:42] <fabo> btw, i'll grab whatever i can from your package :)
[14:43] <fabo> Riddell: i have uploaded kile 2.1.0~svn , the current kubuntu guy need to merge at least the recommends
[14:44]  * Riddell wonders who that is
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: ^
[14:44] <fabo> Andreas Wenning
[14:45] <fabo> :)
[14:50] <rgreening> heya fabo
[14:51] <a|wen> fabo: you've uploaded to debian right?
[14:56] <fabo> a|wen: yes
[14:56] <fabo> rgreening: hi :)
[14:57] <fabo> a|wen: in experimental, until some minor issue are fixed like icons, etc...
[14:57] <a|wen> fabo: cool ... i'll look at merging (as long as yours are better ;) )
[14:57] <a|wen> fabo: yeah... there is one or two missing icons
[14:58] <fabo> héhé
[14:58] <a|wen> fabo: but not that many icons, right?
[14:59] <fabo> yeah, afair new project icon and kile icon in about dialog
[15:00] <fabo> probably another one in kile settings
[15:00] <a|wen> fabo: about that ... though i have the kile icon in the about dialog
[15:00] <a|wen> fabo: do you have a link, not in the archive yet...
[15:00] <fabo> upstream shoukd review doc/translations build process and drop their own macro
[15:01] <fabo> ah right it's in NEW (kile-doc)
[15:02] <fabo> a|wen: move your mouse over kile icon in help menu/about kile
[15:02] <a|wen> fabo: right ... the cmakelist is still not perfect
[15:02] <a|wen> hmm ... nothing happens on mouse over; should there
[15:04] <fabo> strange (btw, i don't have it under current box)
[15:04] <fabo> a|wen: you can get debian dir on pkg-kde svn
[15:04] <fabo> kde-extras/kile/branches/experimental
[15:08] <Quintasan> hmm, are there any plasmoids in repos which are written in python? I want to make a one but I dont know how to deal with py scripts
[15:10] <a|wen> fabo: cool ... i'll look at a merge, and see if i have any comments
[15:16] <Riddell> Quintasan: ask _Sime
[15:18] <Sput> huh looks like apachelogger has even shut down his quasselcore user
[15:19] <Sput> either that, or we broke something
[15:19] <jussi01> Sput: I blame EgS! :P
[15:29] <EgS> jussi01: I just noticed that I cant release the new backend until in about 3 months or so
[15:29] <jussi01> oh?
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: You could take a look at the scripted plasmoid section of kde-look
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> Since scripted plasmoids are platform-independent and downloadable via Get Hot New Stuff we don't package them
[15:35] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: thanks,  I would waste my precious time :3
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=198
[15:48] <Tm_T> time to build Qt 4.5 final ->
[15:52]  * Riddell buiding it
[15:52] <rgreening> Riddell: qt 4.5.0 released. I'll update the package and will require sponsoring when done...
[15:53] <rgreening> oh... you building it Riddell
[15:53] <rgreening> dam... lol
[15:54] <Riddell> rgreening: 4.2.1, koffice beta something and that new amarok all still to be done
[15:54]  * Quintasan wonders is there anything that he can do left
[15:54] <rgreening> Quintasan: ^
[15:54] <Quintasan> amarok, hmm
[15:55] <rgreening> Riddell: im not familiar with the koffice at all.
[15:55] <rgreening> still working on kde 4.2.1
[15:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: amarok from SVN?
[15:58] <kwwii> Riddell: btw, there were some problems with the new usplash design so things are still up in the air, I am thinking of you though :)
[15:59] <fabo> Riddell: have you changed anything on phonon (related to the thread) ?
[16:07] <Riddell> thanks kwwii
[16:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: no
[16:07] <Riddell> fabo: no I'
[16:08] <Riddell> fabo: no I'd prefer to leave it until karmic, after feature freeze probably not a good time for these things
[16:08] <fabo> ok
[16:19] <Tm_T> kwwii: has sabdfl mentioned about new graphics boot method?
[16:22] <kwwii> Tm_T: erm, you mean the usplash?
[16:22] <Tm_T> hmmm, I thought there was mention about new way to do it or so in Karmic post
[16:22] <kwwii> ahh, plymouth
[16:22] <kwwii> that is for +1
[16:23] <kwwii> yes, we have discussed this at length
[16:23] <Tm_T> kwwii: ah, roger, let's see what spoon I(/we) get in that soup
[16:50] <Riddell> fabo: my quick update of qt copyright file http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/copyright
[16:53] <smarter> Riddell: the file mention "namespace Phonon {
[16:53] <smarter>     class AudioOutput;
[16:53] <smarter> }
[16:53] <smarter> oops
[16:53] <smarter> wrong paste :p
[16:53] <fabo> Riddell: thks :)
[16:53] <smarter> Riddell: the file mention " a Trolltech GPL exception" but then the text is: "    Nokia Qt LGPL Exception version 1.0
[16:57] <fabo> Riddell: related to copyright, i have 2 bug reports #508190 and #500905. Qt isn't triple licensed => QPL--
[17:04] <Riddell> fabo: I expect dropping the QPL is deliberate, they've been wanting to get rid of it for ages
[17:06] <Riddell> yeah, must be
[17:08] <fabo> Riddell: I'll add something like "since qt 4.4, qt is dual licensed gpl-2 / gpl-3"
[17:09] <fabo> or do you prefer "since qt4.4, qt isn't licensed under qpl anymore" ?
[17:09] <fabo> (i'm not english native so ... :)=
[17:10] <Riddell> fabo: second one better (it's tripple licenced if you include the proprietry licence)
[17:13] <fabo> ok
[17:18] <seele> ~twitter update finally figured out how to use pspp
[17:18] <kubotu> status updated
[17:19] <markey> meh, this evtouch driver is hard to get to run on ubuntu
[17:19]  * markey produced EPIC FAIL so far
[17:20] <markey> now I got some instructions from the touch screen manufacturer
[17:20] <markey> they say to add a line to the ServerLayout section in xorg.conf
[17:20] <markey> except, this section does not even exist by default
[17:20] <markey> on my 8.10
[17:21] <markey> ah
[17:21] <markey> found somethin on the intertubes
[17:39] <Tm_T> markey: indeed, by default xorg.conf is quite empty, nothing like my current one
[17:40] <maco> empty meaning blank or skeleton?
[17:41] <seele> oy vey..
[17:41] <maco> ?
[17:41]  * seele wonders how often statisticians are driven to drink
[17:42] <seele> maco: sitting in experimental design doing inferential statistics
[17:42] <etank> 9 out of 10 hit the bar 85% of the time
[17:42] <Tm_T> maco: empty, as not even having sections
[17:42] <Tm_T> s/sections/all\ sections/
[17:42] <maco> Tm_T: ah see the #ubuntu-x people thought i was nuts when i said mine was completely empty
[17:43] <Tm_T> maco: aye in some cases it can be empty, but shouldn't, totally atleast
[17:44] <maco> well i wanted to know how to enable UXA for testing since the wiki page jsut says "add this line to this section" and i'm like "Uh...there aren't any sections. it's empty. not helpful!" and asked in #ubuntu-x and when i said it was totally empty they looked at me like this: O_o
[17:44] <Tm_T> :-P
[17:45] <smarter> maco: you have to add the section, and a server section probably too
[17:46] <maco> smarter: yeah they told me to use dexconf
[17:46] <maco> im just glad to note i'm not the only one whose got an empty one
[18:56] <ScottK> Empty ones are by design.  x-org is trying to get away from xorg.conf
[18:57]  * smarter notes that the "new way", which seems to be xml hal conf files, seems worse
[19:11] <Tonio_> rgreening: your lovelly kpackagekit 0.4 is in main :)
[19:11] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[19:11] <smarter> hey Tonio_
[19:12] <Tonio_> smarter: yo !
[19:12] <smarter> Tonio_: how are you doing? :)
[19:13] <Tonio_> fine :) tired, but fine
[19:13] <rgreening> Tonio_: ty.
[19:14] <Tonio_> rgreening: you'(re welcome :)
[19:14] <rgreening> Tonio_: did we get K3B for kde 4 worked out
[19:14] <Tonio_> rgreening: no excuses not to finish your patch now :)
[19:14] <Tonio_> rgreening: still needs a few patches
[19:14] <rgreening> Tonio_: hah
[19:14] <rgreening> cool
[19:14] <Tonio_> rgreening: I have to buy rw dvd to make tests :)
[19:14] <Tonio_> rgreening: kidding of course
[19:15] <rgreening> Tonio_: Im doing koffice2 now (new beta)
[19:15] <rgreening> after that, I can get back to kpackagekit
[19:15] <Tonio_> rgreening: I can do koffice
[19:15] <Tonio_> rgreening: I can't make your patch
[19:15] <Tonio_> rgreening: let's switch ? :)
[19:16] <rgreening> I already have it done. It's building
[19:16] <Tonio_> rgreening: ah... oki then :)
[19:16] <ScottK> Tonio_: I mailed you and glatzor about the python packagekit stuff, so over to you.
[19:16] <rgreening> Im working, so developing a patch is a lot more involved. I need actual bulk free time :0
[19:16] <FireRabbit> hey, does someone here have a sec to chat about kdebindings? :)
[19:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: yeah, I uploaded included your patch and not mine
[19:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: also removed the python build-dep :)
[19:17] <ScottK> Tonio_: Great.  Thanks.
[19:17] <ScottK> Even better.....
[19:17] <rgreening> :)
[19:17] <ScottK> !ask | FireRabbit
[19:17] <FireRabbit> heh ok sorry
[19:18] <FireRabbit> so it turns out qttest.dll is broken upstream in the latest release.
[19:18] <FireRabbit> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.2/kdebindings/csharp/qttest/src/QtTest.cs?r1=906699&r2=934774
[19:18] <FireRabbit> this diff (just comitted) fixes it
[19:18] <seele> ~twitter update lunch of ramen and coke. typing with one hand and eating with the other. being a graduate student is bad for your health.
[19:18] <kubotu> status updated
[19:19] <rgreening> not-installed:./usr/lib/mono/2.0/qttest.dll
[19:19] <rgreening> we don't currently use the mono stuff from kdebindings
[19:19] <rgreening> csharp even
[19:19] <rgreening> FireRabbit: ^
[19:19] <ScottK> rgreening: By 'stufff' you mean the examples, right?
[19:19] <ScottK> stuff even
[19:20] <rgreening> check out the not-installed
[19:20] <FireRabbit> rgreening: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/i386/libqttest2.2-cil/filelist
[19:20] <FireRabbit> /usr/lib/cli/kdebindings-2.2/qttest.dll
[19:20] <rgreening> hmm....
[19:20] <rgreening> 1 sec
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: sure you aren't looking at backports?
[19:21] <rgreening> hmm...  maybe
[19:21] <rgreening> my mind is ecverywhere today
[19:21] <FireRabbit> it's in the not-installed file because it gets copied into that direcotry by the rules file
[19:22] <rgreening> your right. was my backport version. doh
[19:22] <FireRabbit> installed manually i should say
[19:22] <rgreening> nm. I'll go back to sleep(work)
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> lol
[19:23] <FireRabbit> so anyway this patch should probably be added to the package unfortunately.
[19:24] <FireRabbit> i'm working on adding all the missing pkg-config files for the bug i filed yesterday about that and i'll have a debdiff ready in a few minutes. would you mind if i rolled this into the same change?
[19:25] <rgreening> FireRabbit: sure, send to me and I'll upload
[19:25] <FireRabbit> okay
[19:25] <rgreening> roderick.greening at gmail.com
[19:26] <rgreening> we have kdebindings 4.2.1 built and ready to go, So, I'll have to make a new one. No big deal.
[19:27] <FireRabbit> oh okay i was going to ask about that... i dont belive any of the changes i am making will conflict at all
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> lol @ the bug description of kde bug 186062
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> complete with ® symbol
[19:29] <rgreening> ha
[19:29] <smarter> haha
[19:35] <Quintasan> :D
[19:42] <cumulus007> ssh, if MS sees this, we will be sued :P
[19:48] <Quintasan> anyone tried exporting to Flickr using Gwenview?
[19:49] <Quintasan> well, no point in asking. It didn't work for me, asks for authorization (I've granted it'
[19:57] <_Sime> will 9.04 ship with Qt v4.5? anyone know?
[19:57] <smarter> _Sime: yup
[19:57] <smarter> we're already at rc1
[19:58] <_Sime> ok, thanks
[20:06] <seele> maco: grats on HoF
[20:17] <maco_> seele: thanks
[20:32] <FireRabbit> rgreening: mail sent
[20:37] <kuaera> Is anyone having one-pixel-off issues with Qt 4.5?
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> Those pixel gaps should be fixed with 4.5 final (which we should be getting soon)
[20:39] <rgreening> thanks FireRabbit for your contribution. :)
[20:40] <kuaera> JontheEchidna: I'm still getting them with qt-snapshot [compiled last night]
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> Oh, really :( I was told that they were fixed
[20:40] <kuaera> I compiled Amarok 2 against it and there are still one-pixel-off issues
[20:41]  * JontheEchidna was talking more about plasma
[20:41] <kuaera> I have that, too
[20:41] <kuaera> But I was pointing out what I had compiled against qt-snapshot
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> oh
[20:42] <kuaera> The items in the taskbar have small breaks in the pixmaps, so, yeah, I know what you mean.
[20:42] <kuaera> Also, when using the Arora browser, I found an issue with random pixmaps appearing in input boxes
[20:43] <kuaera> Qt 4.5 is not quite ready yet >_>;
[20:43]  * JontheEchidna hasn't seen that
[20:43] <kuaera> I tend to find bugs... I'm a bug magnet
[20:44] <kuaera> And, yes, I do shower.
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:47] <rgreening> every second tuesday?
[20:47] <rgreening> :)
[20:47] <FireRabbit> rgreening: happy to help. when will a new package be built? i'd like to make sure debian gets the same fixes too.
[20:48] <rgreening> FireRabbit: working on koffice new beta now.
[20:48] <FireRabbit> ok
[20:48] <rgreening> FireRabbit: trying to get the remaining kde 4.2.1 package beat into submission...
[20:48] <rgreening> FireRabbit: after that, update kdebindings :)
[20:48] <ScottK> firephoto: The best thing for Debian I think is file a bug in their BTS.
[20:49] <ScottK> They tend to react to that.
[20:49] <rgreening> hopefully within the next 8-12 hours (assuming no sleep) :P
[20:49] <FireRabbit> okay thanks!
[20:49] <rgreening> ScottK: FireRabbit you mean :)
[20:49] <rgreening> hehe
[20:49] <ScottK> Yes, I do.
[20:49] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:49] <FireRabbit> mono bindings will finally be useful with 4.2.1
 complete is evit at times
[20:50] <rgreening> evil
[20:50]  * ScottK really misses Konversation tab completion.
[20:51] <rgreening> FireRabbit: I'll email ya when I have hte package done.
[20:51] <smarter> ScottK: oh, that one was great yes
[20:52] <FireRabbit> great
[20:52] <FireRabbit> thx
[20:52] <maco> irssi's tab complete is nice. it starts with the last person you completed to with that typing, then goes to whomever was the most recent speaker that could be completed based on what you typed.
[20:53] <maco> FireRabbit: does that mean mono apps in gtk will be themed, or does it mean kde mono apps will be possible?
[20:53] <FireRabbit> will be possible to write qt/kde apps using mono
[20:53] <ScottK> Quassel has tab completion improvements in the next release.
[20:54] <maco> still no way to make gtk/mono apps use the same theme as the normal gtk apps?
[20:54] <maco> in kde, i mean
[20:55] <FireRabbit> they should use the same theme
[20:55] <FireRabbit> should not be any different
[20:55] <maco> tomboy looks like plain unadorned gtk. pidgin fits in.
[20:55] <FireRabbit> what happens if you quit tomboy and restart it?
[20:55] <maco> no difference
[20:55] <maco> i use it all the time. its never themed for me in kde
[20:55] <FireRabbit> hm weird.
[20:56] <maco> but terminator, pidgin, and gwibber are themed
[20:57] <FireRabbit> that's a bug for sure
[20:58] <FireRabbit> have you tried any other gtk# apps?
[20:58] <maco> no, thats the only one i use
[20:59] <FireRabbit> could you try installing something like banshee quick to see if the problem is specific to tomboy?
[20:59] <maco> ill try fspot later. im in gnome right now for a slightly-less-broken pidgin (notification-osd broke it)
[20:59] <FireRabbit> or gnome-do
[20:59] <FireRabbit> ok
[20:59] <maco> i have to run to class right now though
[21:00] <ScottK> maco: Speaking of which did you see what I did with your bug?
[21:00] <FireRabbit> is there a bug about this?
[21:01] <ScottK> Dunno.  The one I was referring to was about the broken notification stuff.
[21:02] <FireRabbit> ah
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: kde rev 934841 should make you happy :D
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> er
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: kde rev 934842 should make you happy :D
[22:25] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: :D    (/me doesn't even remember suggesting getting that fixed)
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> well, you seem to point that out a lot in revus in general :P
[22:26] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: It is always nice to have things correct. However, I never block on that issue (especially since it must be fixed upstream)
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> True.
[23:31] <claydoh> did/should we make some sort of announcement regarding the 4.2 packages in backports?
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> I believe we updated the existing announcement
[23:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hurra, the stickers arrived :)
[23:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: Thanks :D
[23:41] <Riddell> yay
[23:58] <yao_ziyuan> i posted a screenshot to kde-look.org. please vote for me! http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=100416