[00:00] <aldo> hi
[00:00] <aldo> hi everybody
[00:00] <panos4ever> hi
[00:00] <aldo> could you panos4ever help me with the grub of my computer
[00:00] <aldo> ??
[00:00] <panos4ever> tell me
[00:02] <aldo> well before i get the kubuntu installed i had the slackware installed well i still having it, but the problem is that the grub of kubunto doesn't recongnized the grub of slackware so when i recovery one of the the other doesn't appers
[00:02] <aldo> do you understand me
[00:02] <Dr_willis> You need to pick ONE of the os's to manage the grub stuff. and manually edit the gryb menu.lst to handle both os's
[00:03] <Dr_willis> I would let ubuntu handle it.. and take the grub info/entries fromt he slackware system and put them at the  end of the ubuntu 's menu.lst
[00:03] <elirips> Hello. Is KDE 4.2 going to be in 8.10 sooner or later?
[00:03] <panos4ever> sorry i was afk
[00:03] <Dr_willis> You can install  4.2 in 8.10 now...
[00:04] <panos4ever> yes i understand u
[00:04] <DaSkreech> elirips: Read the topic
[00:04] <panos4ever> dr_willis is right
[00:04] <Dr_willis> KDE 4.2 out http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[00:05] <DaSkreech> elirips: Turn on unsupported updates in adept
[00:05] <aldo> ok, but the especific problem is that i don't know how can i put the lines of one grub to the other grub
[00:05] <aldo> ???
[00:06] <giarca> DaSkreech: you're using adept?
[00:06] <Dr_willis> You edit the menu.lst file with a text editor.
[00:06] <giarca> DaSkreech: is adept usable? mine wasn't...
[00:06] <Dr_willis> you proberly shouidl read the grub docs/guides at the grub hiomepage also aldo  its not hard to understand.. but its very specific
[00:06] <Dr_willis> You will need to cut out the 'stanzas' that boot slackware. and paste them to the end of the ubuntu menu.lst
[00:06] <aldo> ok dr-willis, but what is the excly lines so i can load the slackware partition??
[00:07] <elirips> So 4.2 will never come to main and will only be available from backports?
[00:07] <DaSkreech> giarca: what was wrong ?
[00:07] <elirips> (in 8.10)
[00:07] <Dr_willis> elirips,  you got it
[00:07] <aldo> ok dr willis thanks
[00:07] <Dr_willis> aldo,  for that you LOOK in the slackware menu.lst
[00:07] <aldo> whre can i find the guides of my problem?
[00:07] <giarca> DaSkreech: adpet doesn't find package
[00:07] <Dr_willis> grub has a homepage and docs.
[00:08] <giarca> the search seems broken
[00:08] <Dr_willis> Grub is worth learning very well.
[00:08] <elirips> Dr_willis: thx
[00:08] <DaSkreech> giarca: run sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[00:08] <DaSkreech> With adept closed
[00:08] <aldo> ok thanks handsome willis
[00:09] <giarca> DaSkreech: it rebuild adept index? Do I have to do all the time I reload source's list?
[00:09] <will_> How would i go about upgrading KDE4 to KDE4.2?
[00:09] <DaSkreech> giarca: Not sure I've only ever had to do it when I add a new repo
[00:09] <Dr_willis> KDE 4.2 out http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[00:09] <DaSkreech> will_: Turn un unsuppoted updates in adept
[00:09] <Dr_willis> that tells how to install kde 4.2
[00:10] <will_> Ahh, ok.
[00:10] <giarca> DaSkreech: really intersting... I guess I reinstall adept
[00:10] <giarca> thanks
[00:10] <will_> Did not know it was unsupported even though the GUI is built from it.....
[00:10] <DaSkreech> giarca: Might as well not
[00:10] <DaSkreech> will_: Eh?
[00:11] <Dr_willis> thats what ubuntus 6 Mo . release cycle is all about. :)
[00:13] <will_> Does KDE4.2 have more stability than KDE4?
[00:14] <Dr_willis> I would think thats a YES will_
[00:14] <will_> Haha, ok.
[00:15] <will_> Which of the Linux distros would be best for all around gaming and music?
[00:15] <Dr_willis> Use whatever one you like
[00:15] <Dr_willis> it proberly wont matte rmuch
[00:16] <will_> Hmm..
[00:16] <will_> I have seen a program for download that let's you adjust yoru setting's for your Nvidia, or your ATI vga chipset, is there one for Intel?
[00:16] <eean> my girlfriend's computer is all laggy from startup. the mouse and keyboard both. any ideas?
[00:16] <Dr_willis> Not noticed any for intel
[00:17] <will_> Oh well.
[00:17] <will_> Sorry for the question's.
[00:17] <will_> I'm just sick and tired of win...
[00:18] <eean> dude Dr_willis, way to not sell kubuntu :P
[00:18] <Dr_willis> Demand a refund
[00:18] <Dr_willis> im on ArchLinux at this moment.
[00:18] <eean> gentoo technically has the best gaming support, since you can emerge closed-source games.
[00:18] <will_> I'd like to get a copy of Mint, but they have yet to release an updated version of KDE.
[00:18] <eean> but I wouldn't vouch for the distro on the whole :D
[00:19] <Dr_willis> Mint uses gnome by default..  will_  you could always install kde 4.2 juast like you do on ubuntu.. since mint IS ubuntu basicially with some extras
[00:20] <eean> easier to just use kubuntu likely
[00:20] <avihayb> eean: since you can emerge closed-source games? what's emerge?
[00:20] <eean> emerge is gentoo's apt-get
[00:20] <Dr_willis> gentoo package manager system :)
[00:20] <Dr_willis> archlinux has pacman
[00:20] <Dr_willis> and there are some ubuntu packages that do a similer thing for some games
[00:21] <eean> imo all distros should have something like emerge for closed-source games
[00:21] <Dr_willis> yea.. theres just SOOOOOOOOOOOO many of them out for linux.. :)
[00:21] <DaSkreech> will_: KDE 4.2 is KDE4 :)
[00:21] <Dr_willis> I think i can recall.. err... 1 game thats been released this year for linux (well last year?)
[00:22] <eean> Dr_willis: yea there aren't, so it shouldn't be hard :D
[00:22] <Dr_willis> Savage 2, there may be others.
[00:22] <eean> Penny Arcade released two this year ;)
[00:22] <eean> World of Goo came out last month
[00:22] <Dr_willis>  then you got the packages that install the  linux ports of game programs.. but then  need  the game disk/data
[00:22] <Dr_willis> World of Goo has a linux port? thats news to me.
[00:22] <Dr_willis> I got world of goo. for my Wii :)
[00:23] <will_> I meant from 4.1 to 4.2 sorry, haha.
[00:23] <eean> well then you know its an awesome game
[00:23] <avihayb> I have this older p4 (that i'm useing right now) with kubuntu 8.04, and kde3.5.9. when I installed kde 4.0.4, plasma hoged most of my resources. Is it better with kde4.1.4 or 4.2?
[00:23] <Dr_willis> theres like 2 levels for world of goo i cant get past. :)
[00:24] <Dr_willis> but it kept me busy for a few days
[00:25] <eean> anyways putting my question on launchpad answers. is there a command to dump various relevant system info?
[00:26] <avihayb> bahh, that version of packman is sub-standard
[00:26] <avihayb> the one in the kubuntu repos
[00:27] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: sold more for LInux than it did for windows I think
[00:28] <kaddi> anyone familiar with latex/pdf and huge paperformats (din A3 and bigger)? I can't seem to display  (my selfcompiled) din A2-pdf correctly with kpdf/okular
[00:28]  * DaSkreech heads back to work. Ping me if needed
[00:29] <DaSkreech> or if popey pops up his head :)
[00:34] <casinowarren> hey everyone how are ya'll
[00:35] <casinowarren> got a question...i would like to install the newest iTunes application on my kubuntu
[00:35] <casinowarren> any suggestions?
[00:35] <panos4ever> INSTALL IT
[00:36] <casinowarren> great idea...problem is wine won't allow me to
[00:41] <moali> Hi
[00:42] <panos4ever> why not
[00:42] <moali> firt time i use this program
[00:43] <moali> i have clicked by error
[00:43] <moali> ;)
[00:43] <moali> it is like kopete?
[00:43] <MaPkO> what files i need to install python-gtk2
[00:43] <avihayb> Konversation?
[00:43] <MaPkO> ?
[00:43] <moali> yes
[00:44] <avihayb> not realy. knoversation is an IRC client. keopet is an Instant Messanger
[00:44] <MaPkO> i have big problem :S
[00:44] <moali> IRC is just a another protocol?
[00:45] <avihayb> in keopet, irc is just another protocol
[00:45] <MaPkO> i cant connect my kubuntu 8.10 on internet via wireless
[00:45] <moali> i see thas i can tell thing to many people
[00:45] <moali> nice
[00:45] <giarca> launchpad.net is down?
[00:45] <moali> nice discovert
[00:46] <avihayb> MaPkO: fresh install, without upgrades?
[00:46] <MaPkO> yes
[00:46] <giarca> I can't reach it...
[00:46] <MaPkO> u got cd via shipit..
[00:46] <avihayb> Knetwork manager that came with a fresh install is frelld. connect via a cable, and let it upgrade
[00:46] <MaPkO> avihayb
[00:46] <will_> This may be a dumb question but... How do i tell which version of KDE i'm running?
[00:47] <MaPkO> the problem is coz i cant connect with cable my pc
[00:47] <MaPkO> i use only wireless
[00:47] <MaPkO> coz the wireless router is on another house :)
[00:47] <avihayb> :->
[00:47] <moali> i had the same problem
[00:47] <MaPkO> tell me ... can i upgrade knetworkmanager manualy ?
[00:47] <MaPkO> and what i need to download
[00:48] <avihayb> well, I suppose you can download the package directly
[00:48] <Slartibartfast> will_ in any kde program click in the menu "help" ... > About KDE
[00:48] <panos4ever> uninstall it
[00:48] <panos4ever> and find it again
[00:48] <MaPkO> panos4ever
[00:48] <panos4ever> from the packages
[00:48] <MaPkO> i was try with wifi-radar
[00:48] <will_> Ahh, thank you.
[00:48] <avihayb> anyone on how to upgrade knetworkmanager without any internet connection?
[00:49] <MaPkO> but the wifi radar request python-gtk2.. i cant use apt-get coz my kubuntu its still in offline mode
[00:49] <MaPkO> i cant connect it to internet to make update
[00:49] <panos4ever> oh
[00:49] <panos4ever> do u have an other pc
[00:49] <panos4ever> to tranfer the files
[00:49] <Slartibartfast> will_, well in fact it doesn't say anything :-) ... Here Konversation says i am running KDE 3.10 ... on Jaunty
[00:49] <MaPkO> i have one pentium II
[00:49] <MaPkO> but its too slow
[00:50] <MaPkO> i mean to connect the hdd to that pc
[00:50] <panos4ever> well its the best u can do
[00:50] <MaPkO> and from this (windows xp runned) to make internet sharing via cable
[00:50] <panos4ever> i was having these probelms too but i have a laptop too
[00:50] <MaPkO> and.. knetworkmanager witch i got on fresh install, have trouble on wired connection ?
[00:51] <panos4ever> no
[00:51] <panos4ever> i guess
[00:51] <panos4ever> try
[00:51] <panos4ever> with knet
[00:51] <panos4ever> and then go offline
[00:51] <MaPkO> offline ?
[00:51] <panos4ever> well
[00:51] <avihayb> MaPkO: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=403298
[00:52] <panos4ever> u can get internet access with knet right?
[00:52] <Slartibartfast> will_ To see which version of KDE you're running, see what kdebase packages are installed with the comamnd dpkg -l kdebase*
[00:52] <MaPkO> panos4ever: from knet i got wireless connection
[00:52] <panos4ever> ok
[00:52] <MaPkO> also i got ip from dhcp on the router
[00:52] <MaPkO> but i cant ping the router
[00:52] <MaPkO> also cant use internet :/
[00:52] <avihayb> MaPkO. you can use the live CD to connect to the internet, as far as I recall the Knetworkmanager there works
[00:52] <panos4ever> yeah
[00:53] <panos4ever> perphaps
[00:53] <panos4ever> or else try another pc
[00:53] <panos4ever> for thre files
[00:53] <MaPkO> ahh :/
[00:53] <MaPkO> too much work
[00:53] <MaPkO> i have just one monitor..
[00:53] <panos4ever> at this moment how are u connected???
[00:54] <MaPkO> i need to configure just the another pc internet connection sharing
[00:54] <avihayb> ya, then just drag your PC to a freind(or the neiborghood internet source...)
[00:54] <MaPkO> i have 2 HDD`s
[00:54] <MaPkO> on the one hdd i have win xp
[00:54] <MaPkO> i use it at the moment
[00:54] <panos4ever> ok
[00:54] <panos4ever> like me
[00:54] <panos4ever> at the past
[00:54] <panos4ever> well
[00:54] <panos4ever> give me your msn
[00:54] <panos4ever> if u want
[00:54] <will_> Ok, KDE/Openbox it is.
[00:54] <panos4ever> to send u
[00:54] <MaPkO> leopardmk@hotmail.com
[00:54] <panos4ever> python-gtk2
[00:54] <panos4ever> tight?
[00:55] <MaPkO> yea :)
[00:55] <kuaera> will_: Yay \o/
[00:55] <will_> KDE still send's me back to KDM during resolution adjustment before gameplay.
[00:55] <avihayb> MaPkO. you can use the live CD to connect to the internet, as far as I recall the Knetworkmanager there works
[00:55] <MaPkO> then i will can use wifi-radar?
[00:55] <panos4ever> he doesnt have it
[00:55] <panos4ever> yeah
[00:55] <avihayb> he sais he got a disk
[00:55] <_Myself_> maybe it's just a bad wifi connection with a bogus IP?
[00:56] <panos4ever> mapko
[00:56] <_Myself_> that would explain why he got an "IP" and can't ping the router
[00:56] <panos4ever> cant u download it fro windows xp
[00:56] <panos4ever> and save it in a flash disk?
[00:56] <X9nLinuxL> DaSkreech  thanks for some help last week.  I got Hardy going on my old Mac.  You were one of the people to answer some questions.
[00:56] <panos4ever> and then log into linux?
[00:56] <DaSkreech> X9nLinuxL: Sure no problem how is it?
[00:56] <MaPkO> panos4ever: yes
[00:57] <MaPkO> i can do that
[00:57] <MaPkO> and i was download the wifi-radar allready
[00:57] <X9nLinuxL> running perfectly...
[00:57] <MaPkO> but what is the problem...
[00:57] <MaPkO> the program request and another program
[00:57] <avihayb> I have this older p4 (that i'm useing right now) with kubuntu 8.04, and kde3.5.9. when I installed kde 4.0.4, plasma hoged most of my resources. Is it better with kde4.1.4 or 4.2?
[00:57] <MaPkO> that is phyton
[00:57] <X9nLinuxL> I had some issues with having a wrong video card installed...and a bum hard drive
[00:57] <X9nLinuxL> once those were out of the way, off we went with a good install
[00:58] <kuaera> avihayb: I'm running fine on 4.2.00
[00:58] <moali> There is someone who use KPilot?
[00:58] <kaddi> avihayb: i'd definitely choose kde 4.2 over 4.1 or 4.0 any time, but I haven't really checked the resources
[00:58] <avihayb> and your computer specifications?
[00:58] <kuaera> avihayb: This is a teeny 1.3 Ghz
[00:58] <avihayb> I'm runing kde4.2 myself on my newr computer
[00:59] <avihayb> respect
[00:59] <avihayb> so plasma isn't taking 10% cpu all the time, right?
[01:00] <avihayb> !kpilot
[01:00] <avihayb> !KPilot
[01:00] <jussi01> !info kpilot
[01:01] <moali> of course he exist
[01:01] <moali> in another repository
[01:01] <moali> sudo apt-get install kpilot
[01:01] <moali> the version is 5.2.0
[01:01] <moali> for KDE 4.2
[01:02] <avihayb> well, the all mighty google says:http://cvs.codeyard.net/kpilot/
[01:02] <moali> but bugging whit my pc
[01:02] <moali> so no one use it?
[01:03] <moali> your link
[01:03] <avihayb> well, I'm off. I'd use it, if I had a palm...
[01:03] <moali> is old
[01:03] <avihayb> ya, I just noticed
[01:03] <moali> i have a palm
[01:04] <moali> and i need to sync it
[01:04] <avihayb> they worked on merging to kde4 over a year ago. if they ain't dea, they probebly made it
[01:05] <moali> the last version must be 1 or 2 month year old
[01:05] <moali> very recent
[01:05] <avihayb> http://linuxappfinder.com/package/kpilot
[01:05] <avihayb> very old versions there too
[01:05] <moali> thank i have never go to this page
[01:06] <Slartibartfast> avihayb In Jaunty there is a package kpilot ... see http://paste.ubuntu.com/125543/
[01:06] <avihayb> !info kdepim-kpilot
[01:06] <moali> a package for debian should work on kubuntu?
[01:07] <avihayb> ya, it should
[01:07] <avihayb> most of the times
[01:07] <moali> ok
[01:08] <moali> but this is the kde3 version
[01:08] <moali> :(
[01:09] <avihayb> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/lpia/kpilot/4:3.5.9-0ubuntu3
[01:09] <moali> so i will wait for a new version
[01:09] <avihayb> ok, that's kde3 too I guess
[01:09] <avihayb> !palmpilot
[01:09] <avihayb> !palm
[01:10] <moali> thanx
[01:11] <moali> i read it
[01:11] <moali> even i know the most of information :)
[01:11] <moali> but
[01:12] <moali> there is somebody who use it actually
[01:12] <moali> ?
[01:12] <avihayb> well, I guess it's the waiting game then... I guess searching palm in synaptic didn't help either
[01:13] <panos4ever> does anyone use kismet
[01:13] <panos4ever> lol
[01:14] <panos4ever> zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[01:14] <moali> what is it?
[01:14] <moali> network soft?
[01:15] <avihayb> well, now I'm realy off
[01:15] <moali> so it is late
[01:15] <moali> thx for yours help
[01:16] <moali> good night
[01:21] <panos4ever> GOOD NIGHT
[01:26] <dboehmer> i know that there is a little widget on the default kde desktop of kubuntu which can be used to browse through the home dir
[01:26] <dboehmer> can somebody please tell me what its name is?
[01:26] <bishopz> anyone know a way to get youtube to play fluently
[01:26] <dboehmer> i want to use it in arch linux, too
[01:26] <bishopz> not so glitchy
[01:27] <SJr|Work> How do I configure dual monitors under Kubuntu?
[01:28] <bishopz> !ot
[01:29] <Slartibartfast> dboehmer you mean that thing on the task bar ? ......
[01:29] <bishopz> !dual monitors
[01:30] <Slartibartfast> it's called quickaccess
[01:30] <dboehmer> Slartibartfast: where do i know your nickname from?
[01:30] <bishopz> Wb Dr_Willis
[01:30] <Slartibartfast> :-)
[01:30] <SJr|Work> !Xinerama
[01:31] <Slartibartfast> the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy :-P
[01:31] <dboehmer> Slartibartfast: ahh thx for refreshing my mind
[01:31] <SJr|Work> Those both seem to be VERY out of date
[01:31] <Slartibartfast> dboehmer: i got a price for the norwegian coastline :-P
[01:35] <dboehmer> Slartibartfast: Do you use kde 4.2?
[01:35] <dboehmer> i want to import this widget into 4.2 but it seems the official pkg is only for 4.1
[01:36] <dboehmer> there is an alternative package linked in the comments section on kde-look.org but the link is currently dead
[01:36] <Slartibartfast> dboehmer: at the moment i am running Jaunty which indeed includes Kde 4.2
[01:36] <Slartibartfast> i think you can use the 4.1 version in kde 4.2
[01:37] <dboehmer> on the page they write API has changed but i will try it
[01:38] <Slartibartfast> dboehmer i have here version 0.7.1
[01:38] <sonny1`2> can anyone help me out or tell me why i can setup internet connection sharing and it works but will not work after restart
[01:39] <SJr|Work> Okay so I have another monitor plugged in, Display seems to find it okay, but I can't seem to enable it meaningfully under Ibex, what do I need to do.
[01:40] <dboehmer> Slartibartfast: are you running kde 4.2 or does kubuntu provide kde 4.2?
[01:41] <Slartibartfast> i run the developers branch Jaunty ... 9.04
[01:41] <Slartibartfast> with KDE 4.2
[01:41] <Slartibartfast> 8.10 also provides KDE 4.2 through backports
[01:43] <groovy26> how can i store screen settings with aticonfig? i change it to 1024x768@85, but it changes back to 1280x1024@60 on restart
[01:43] <Slartibartfast> dpkg -l plasmoid-quickaccess shows:
[01:43] <Slartibartfast> ii  plasmoid-quickaccess                    0.7.1-0ubuntu7                          An alternate folder display plasmoid
[01:47] <groovy26> anyone? :(
[01:50] <bishopz> hey i need a good msuic editing program for ubuntu
[01:50] <bishopz> like to clip songs for ringtones and sound bites
[01:50] <bishopz> any suggestions
[01:50] <maco> audacity
[01:50] <bishopz> user friendly?
[01:50] <bishopz> like load listen clip save
[01:51] <bishopz> im building a nerd site, for blackberry users, and such
[01:51] <Slartibartfast> If you like to export to mp3 you ned to have lame instaleld
[01:51] <bishopz> i dont need to export em
[01:51] <bishopz> i just need to be able to create clips and save
[01:52] <Slartibartfast> save as wav?
[01:52] <bishopz> mp3, wav, mp4, Q
[01:52] <bishopz> whatever
[01:52] <bishopz> preferrably wav+mp3
[01:52] <bishopz> mp3 will do the job
[01:52] <bishopz> 100%
[01:52] <Slartibartfast> But for mp3 you need to export instead of save ..... and then need to use lame
[01:53] <bishopz> damn
[01:53] <bishopz> !lame
[01:53] <Slartibartfast> lame is in the medibuntu repostory
[01:53] <bishopz> figured this just cudnt be fricking easy :x
[01:53] <bishopz> oh iiite
[01:53] <Slartibartfast> !medibuntu
[01:54] <bishopz> now i know why its called lame
[01:54] <bishopz> =T
[01:55] <bishopz> hmm
[01:55] <bishopz> score
[01:55] <Slartibartfast> It is quiet easy (L)ame (A)in't a (M)P3 (E)ncoder
[01:55] <bishopz> audacity exports to mp3
[01:55] <Slartibartfast> yes
[01:56] <bishopz> makes it much more simple
[01:56] <bishopz> :-P
[01:56] <Slartibartfast> Just go to the website medibuntu.org .. and follow their directions
[01:56] <bishopz> thats what im looking at right now lol
[01:56] <bishopz> Thanks guys
[01:59] <SJr|Work> How do I enable the second monitor on my machine?
[02:05] <bishopz> hmmm im getting a play back error
[02:07] <x-f> hello
[02:07] <x-f> i have a little problem. since the last update from kate in kde 4.2. All files open in a new window
[02:09] <bishopz> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m162b90db
[02:09] <madrush> trying to install kionjb, it says kionjb needs libnjb1, but there is no libnjb1.  there is, however libnjb5 ... anybody know what the deal with the number is after the package? i don't think its for the version... i think it's a debian added number
[02:09] <bishopz> error while opening sound device. please the output device settings and the project sample rate
[02:22] <AlexZion> hi , someone knows howto remove the magnetic border effect ?
[02:23] <Silentstri> hey all
[02:23] <Silentstri> I finally got my pIII to hardy xD
[02:25] <Silentstri> anyone can tell me why my freakin comp keeps freezing?
[02:30] <Wargasm> did you update drivers recently?
[02:45] <aldo> en español?
[02:46] <vaker0> yo
[02:46] <aldo> español?
[02:46] <vaker0> si
[02:46] <Slartibartfast> !es
[02:47] <aldo> mmmmmmmmmm
[02:56] <DaSkreech> Silentstri: I'd guess X
[02:56] <Silentstri> ????
[02:57] <DaSkreech> You asked why the computer was freezing
[02:57] <Silentstri> ya, its my pIII
[02:57] <Silentstri> which is FINALLY running hardy
[02:59] <Silentstri> meh i g2g cya 2morrow all
[02:59] <Silentstri> xD
[02:59] <Silentstri> ciao
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Bye
[03:18] <the_sleeping_ox> hi, i installed linux in the same drive as my windows.  . . when i boot into my linux os. it says i have to force something. how do i do this?
[03:55] <fearful> Does anyone know that if upgrade from kubuntu 8.04 will it update my kde?
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> Upgrading from Kubuntu 8.04 will upgrade your KDE
[03:56] <fearful> Thanks!
[03:58] <macken> running 8.10, would it be better to wait for next upgrade of kubuntu to get kde 4.2 or to just install the new kde now?
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> macken: Kubuntu 8.10 will never get KDE 4.2 automatically. You will need to enable intrepid-backports manually to get that
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> After you enable backports you will be able to update
[04:00] <macken> Ok, does 8.10 upgrade to 9.04 automaticaly or do I need to do this manually as well.
[04:00] <sancho21> How to chat to people without adding him to my contact list using Kopete?
[04:01] <quassel208> how do i mount a iso ?
[04:01] <JontheEchidna> macken: When 9.04 is released I believe there will be a notification that will show up, but for now you'd have to update to 9.04 manually since it's still in alpha
[04:01] <quassel208> !mountiso
[04:02]  * JontheEchidna leaves for the night
[04:02] <Slartibartfast> quassel208: sudo mkdir /mnt/iso; sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/isofile /mnt/iso
[04:03] <macken> ok, I think I understand. If I wait until 9.04 is released, then it will upgrade and include the new kde.
[04:12] <hoopoe> can't stream comedy central on firefox
[04:14] <thesleepingox> this happens when i tried to install xserver-xgl
[04:14] <thesleepingox> Package xserver-xgl is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:14] <thesleepingox> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:14] <thesleepingox> is only available from another source
[04:20] <joaquinz> hi!
[04:20] <joaquinz> i've a lot of trouble with kubuntu and my sound card
[04:21] <joaquinz> it simply doesnt work
[04:21] <joaquinz> i mean, everything seams to be fine, but when i play sound with amarok, mp3blaster or another, it just doesnt play any sound
[04:21] <joaquinz> any ideas what it could be?
[04:23] <railsva> hi, how do i get div web player to work
[04:39] <DaSkreech> !sound | joaquinz
[04:40] <DaSkreech> hoopoe: What does Comedy central use to stream?
[04:44] <EtFb> My wife is new to KDE, and doesn't like the way select/copy/paste works in X-Windows.  How do I switch off the select-to-copy, middle-click-to-paste functionality?
[04:53] <DaSkreech> EtFb: Huh ?
[04:57] <DaSkreech> EtFb: I don't get how that prevents her from doing copy and paste the way she always has done
[04:58] <Codd> has any one gotten the message "The trash has reached it mamimum size!" ... when it is empty?
[04:59] <Codd> going to the trash and properties it calculates size, files ... as 0
[04:59] <EtFb> DaSkreech: The problem is that she's used to the Mac/Windows standard Ctrl+C explicit copy, Ctrl+V paste.  Having the middle-click do the same thing as Ctrl+V is confusing her.  Can it be switched off so that middle-click no longer pastes?  Switching off the select-to-copy would also be good, but is less essential.
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Codd: Nope check if you have hidden files in there
[05:00] <DaSkreech> EtFb: it doesn't do the same thing
[05:01] <EtFb> DaSkreech: I'm not sure I understand what you mean.  Can you elaborate?
[05:03] <Codd> DaSkreech: i went to the trash icon > View > Show Hidden Files , and checked the box still showing 0 items
[05:03] <DaSkreech> EtFb: It's two different buffers
[05:03] <Codd> its a fresh install on a 60gb drive with almost nothing other than the stock install
[05:03] <DaSkreech> EtFb: Ctrl+C doesn't go into middle click
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Codd: Oh no idea
[05:04] <Codd> np thanks though
[05:04] <EtFb> DaSkreech: Two different clipboards, then?  One that does things the WinMac way with explicit copy commands, and one that does it the X way with implicit copy and middle-click paste?
[05:05] <Codd> lol my bad, I was trying to remove a link to my 1tb external drive :) I guess it was going to follow the link!
[05:05] <Tomas---> How do i to start with graphical mode?
[05:07] <Tomas---> How do i do to start with graphical mode agin?
[05:08] <DaSkreech> EtFb: Right
[05:08] <DaSkreech> Codd: :-D
[05:08] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: What did you install
[05:08] <Tomas---> nvidia drives :P
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Hmm ?
[05:09] <Tomas---> CTRL+ALT+F7 do not work :s
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Oh ok so you are on the CLI ?
[05:09] <Tomas---> ye
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: KDE ?
[05:10] <Tomas---> yep
[05:10] <DaSkreech> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[05:10] <Tomas---> dont work
[05:11] <chaoslang> my kmail cant not send mail?  host: smtp.126.com  port: 25 ??
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: no output no error?
[05:11] <donald> i just bought an external harddrive and its not showing up on the computer at all
[05:11] <donald> anything i can do?
[05:12] <DaSkreech> EtFb: KDE uses Klipper to merge the two into one place to manage but it's two buffers
[05:12] <donald> anybody got advice on that?
[05:12] <DaSkreech> donald: What version of KDE ?
[05:13] <EtFb> DaSkreech: Ah - that's why I didn't notice a difference.  So the question remains: can I switch off the middle-click effect?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> EtFb: I guess
[05:13] <Tomas---> DaSkreech: do not work :(
[05:13] <DaSkreech> no errors?
[05:13] <Tomas---> its started
[05:14] <donald> version...ummmm
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: Huh?
[05:14] <Tomas---> ye
[05:14] <donald> how do i check
[05:14] <DaSkreech> donald: open konqueror Help -> about KDE
[05:14] <donald> my friend built this computer for me right before he moved and he didnt have a lot of time to explain eveything
[05:15] <Tomas---> DaSkreech: alredy running
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: alt+ctrl+F8
[05:15] <donald> 3.5.10
[05:15] <Tomas---> do not work...
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[05:16] <DaSkreech> donald: Ok type in media:/ in konqueror
[05:16] <donald> ok
[05:17] <Tomas---> DaSkreech: dont work
[05:17] <Loctrice> how come every distro I tried I couldnt get a desktop at all, just some funny pixel blurred color screen, but I resort to *shudders* knoppix and It works fine?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Loctrice: Driver
[05:17] <Loctrice> not a very nice graphical version, but it worked. I would like to use kubuntu
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Loctrice: What hardware do you have?
[05:17] <donald> its showin the storage media but the external harddrive isnt there
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: what did you just install ?
[05:18] <Tomas---> nvidia drives
[05:18] <Loctrice> I dont have an onboard video, i have a pci nvidia gforce 6800
[05:18] <Loctrice> and one of the new version flat panel monitors
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: From where?
[05:18] <Tomas---> www.nvidia.com
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Loctrice: Ah your refresh rate is probably set wrong you need to run xrandr -s 0
[05:19] <DaSkreech> !nvidia
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: try follow that ^^
[05:19] <Tomas---> ...
[05:19] <Tomas---> how?
[05:19] <donald> so what now?
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: w3m
[05:19] <Loctrice> I went through the entire howto file, edited my xorg.config until there was no more page to follow
[05:19] <Tomas---> w3m
[05:19] <DaSkreech> donald: afraid of the command line?
[05:20] <donald> huh?
[05:20] <Loctrice> my bro kicked up kubuntu no problem with his nvidia card. he's bringin me a copy of his disk tomrrow,  maybe it was a faulty download
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Loctrice: Well if you save your xorg.conf from the Knoppix and put it on any other distro it shoudl work
[05:20] <donald> it pulled up the storage media and the ext. harddrive isnt there
[05:20] <DaSkreech> donald: If you press F4 you should get a terminal
[05:20] <donald> its plugged in all the way for sure...the light is on
[05:20] <Loctrice> the tty's worked very fine, but I kinda wanted the desktop for some more advanced things (like making my internet work and using gimp)
[05:21] <donald> got it
[05:21] <donald> type?
[05:21] <Loctrice> ok, I'll try that. I have knoppix booting from an external, and the other installed on a partician
[05:21] <DaSkreech> ls -l /dev/sd*
[05:21] <Tomas---> DaSkreech: can you post the link in pm :P
[05:21] <DaSkreech> and pastebin it
[05:22] <donald> pastebin?
[05:22] <Loctrice> so how would I go about getting it from one to the other without hardcopy'ing it?
[05:23] <DaSkreech> !paste | donald
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Loctrice: Hmm ?
[05:23] <Loctrice> ooooh wait. I can edit it while I'm in knoppix cause its like that
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Loctrice: Yah cool :)
[05:24] <Loctrice> heh. I like linux alot, but I'm more a user than any kind of admin. been trying to set up for a week now
[05:24] <Loctrice> I'm a code monkey, not a root
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Got Root?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:25] <Loctrice> lol
[05:26] <Loctrice> I almost had a buddy from networking who is taking some program courses with me come over and set it up
[05:26] <Loctrice> I find that network admins are more full of it then anything else. most of them gooey linux stuff
[05:26] <donald> okay i pastebinned it. now what?
[05:26] <DaSkreech> donald: give back the URL in here
[05:26] <donald> http://paste.ubuntu.com/125604/
[05:27] <donald> i have a flashdrive hooked up and my internal harddrive is partitioned
[05:27] <DaSkreech> donald: type mkdir ~/hdd && sudo mount /dev/sdb1 ~/hdd
[05:27] <Loctrice> alright. ima have a smoke and then reboot to knoppix so I can edit kubuntu so I can have at it
[05:28] <Loctrice> thanks DaSkreech
[05:30] <donald> http://paste.ubuntu.com/125605/
[05:31] <DaSkreech> donald: type ~/hdd in konqueror
[05:31] <donald> mkay
[05:32] <donald> it pulled up some of my metallica songs and a lot of images i have saved on my comp
[05:32] <donald> and some other things
[05:33] <DaSkreech> External ?
[05:34] <lee> Hello Katie
[05:34] <katie> hry lee
[05:35] <chaoslang> my kmail cant not send mail?  host: smtp.126.com  port: 25 ? is there any mistake?
[05:35] <lee> Going to Kubuntu off topic
[05:35] <donald> the only things on here i dont recognize are bootex.log  and error prompt.odt
[05:36] <donald> i think the prompt might be from a problem i had a while back but i cant be sure
[05:36] <DaSkreech> donald: Probably. But that's your drive?
[05:36] <donald> there is also a desktop.ini but i dont know what that is
[05:36] <donald> drive?
[05:37] <DaSkreech> chaoslang: What's the error message? You may want to ask in #kde as well
[05:37] <donald> like a make or model?
[05:37] <donald> its a toshiba
[05:37] <DaSkreech> donald: I'm saying that you can see the external now? are you ok?
[05:37] <donald> ...
[05:37] <donald> that is the external harddrive?
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Yes
[05:38] <donald> because its all stuff thats currently on my comp...
[05:38] <DaSkreech> donald: in ~/hdd ?
[05:38] <donald> i just wanted to use it to store my massive amounts of anime
[05:38] <donald> yeah
[05:39] <DaSkreech> you said you had partitions on the drive in your computer and an external right?
[05:40] <chaoslang> DaSkreech: ok  3q
[05:40] <donald> i have an internal harddrive that is half partitioned one for xp for itunes the other for linux. i also have a flashdrive plugged in, and im trying to hook up an external harddrive in addition.
[05:40] <DaSkreech> donald: Ah Ok
[05:40] <donald> its a 400 gig for nothing but my anime and music.
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: Hi
[05:40] <Tomas---> DaSkreech: thx for the help :) <33
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: Back?
[05:40] <Tomas---> yep :D
[05:40] <DaSkreech> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Try with that first
[05:41] <donald> try that?
[05:41] <DaSkreech> When you feel a little braver grab the one from nvidia :)
[05:41] <Tomas---> driver works fine now :P
[05:41] <DaSkreech> donald: no not you
[05:41] <donald> okay
[05:41] <DaSkreech> donald: turn the drive off and turn it back on
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Tomas---: not the one you installed :) I just made you turn that off
[05:41] <donald> okay
[05:42] <Tomas---> DaSkreech: aha ^
[05:42] <DaSkreech> donald: press up on the terminal and redo the ls -l command and tell me if you see a sdc
[05:43] <donald> no its all sda and sdb
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Hrmmm it's a USB drive right ?
[05:44] <donald> yeah
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Wonder why its not turning up
[05:44] <donald> think i should try switching usb ports?
[05:45] <donald> hold up
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:46] <donald> there is an sdc now but the sdb is gone. i plugged the flash drive back in
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[05:46] <DaSkreech> want to look at it?
[05:46] <donald> what?
[05:47] <donald> yes
[05:47] <DaSkreech> likely it's the Flash drive though
[05:47] <DaSkreech> sudo mount /dev/sdc1 ~/hdd
[05:47] <donald> where do i type that
[05:47] <DaSkreech> terminal
[05:48] <donald> password
[05:48] <DaSkreech> It's the password you use to login
[05:48] <donald> it didnt do anything
[05:48] <DaSkreech> look in ~/hdd in konqueror
[05:49] <donald> lol...
[05:49] <donald> i recognize the stuff in the hdd its my flashdrive
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Right that's what I thought
[05:50] <DaSkreech> so now you have sda sdc but no sdb ?
[05:50] <donald> and now sdb and sdc are gone
[05:50] <DaSkreech> so it's just your internal drives now
[05:50] <X9nLinux9> I just ran across an issue...that I'm not sure if its a bug, or an operator 'bug' (brain bug)...  KDE ==> Configure KDE Panel ==> Arrangement... Told it to create a universal sidebar at 50%.  The little icon shows that it is doing the right thing in the sample window...
[05:50] <donald> yes
[05:50] <X9nLinux9> but the sidebar is full length in the real window
[05:51] <donald> so now what?
[05:51] <DaSkreech> You have them plugged in ?
[05:51] <donald> i unplugged the flashdrive so that the ext. is the only thing plugged in
[05:52] <DaSkreech> It should turn up as a /dev/sd*
[05:53] <DaSkreech> UNless the firmware is blocking it
[05:53] <donald> and do wut to get around that?
[05:53] <DaSkreech> Well I don't know that it's trying to do that
[05:54] <donald> huh.
[05:54] <DaSkreech>  I know that some drives make you install something in Windows to see them
[05:54] <donald> i got xp on the partition
[05:54] <donald> but its tiny
[05:54] <DaSkreech> They use the firmware to ensure that you use their software
[05:54] <DaSkreech> I don't know that it's doing that
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Hi Tomas---
[05:55] <Tomas---> hi
[05:55] <donald> so i would only be able to use it if i was using xp or vista or somethin
[05:55] <donald> theoretically
[05:55] <DaSkreech> donald: right. You've used this drive before?
[05:55] <donald> nope just got it.
[05:55] <donald> worse
[05:55] <donald> cant return it
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[05:56] <donald> bought it from a circuit city goin outa business
[05:56] <DaSkreech> If it's broken you can return it I'll bet
[05:56] <DaSkreech> or con someone into taking it :)
[05:56] <donald> shit
[05:56] <DaSkreech>  Try seeing if it works in windows I can wait  a bit for you to comeback
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Just ping m
[05:56] <DaSkreech> e
[05:56] <Tomas---> i dont find any supported drivers :s
[05:56] <Tomas---> for my gfx
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Too new?
[05:58] <Tomas---> DaSkreech: geforce 9800 gt
[05:58] <Tomas---> old one :P
[05:58] <DaSkreech> oh nv should work then
[05:58] <DaSkreech> I thinks
[05:59] <[kabotage]> Tomas--- : go to system and hardware drivers
[06:00] <Tomas---> [kabotage]: ye and i will surf from CLI :P
[06:01] <donald> well...i managed to get a hold of the guy that built my comp and he said somethin about gparted
[06:01] <donald> or somethin like that. he was at work and hes gonna call me back
[06:01] <[kabotage]> or go here http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us gl :)
[06:02] <donald> know anything about it DA?
[06:05] <Tomas---> flashing black-.-
[06:06] <DaSkreech> donald: yeah sudo apt-get install gparted
[06:09] <donald> brb
[06:14] <donald> ok
[06:15] <donald> he said qtparted
[06:15] <donald> i got it downloaded
[06:15] <donald> and it wont load
[06:15] <donald> it wont run
[06:15] <donald> da?
[06:16] <DaSkreech> donald: kdesudo whateveryoudownloaded
[06:17] <donald> alright its open
[06:22] <donald> is there a way to run xp through linux so that you cant get any viruses but can still use xp?
[06:23] <donald> because i think thats what my friend did
[06:23] <bazhang> !vbox
[06:24] <donald> iĺl figure it out in the morning
[06:24] <donald> tired ;-;
[06:26] <Tomas---> :D
[06:35] <tobias> Morning
[06:35] <tbenst> hello
[06:36] <tbenst> hey i've got a KDE 4.2 problem with Kget--can anyone help?
[06:37] <tobias> What does it say or prompt?
[06:41] <tbenst> well, kget should be installed by default
[06:41] <tbenst> i'm in kubuntu 8.10
[06:41] <tbenst> and updated KDE to 4.2 a little while back
[06:42] <tbenst> konqueror is unable to download files
[06:42] <tbenst> and kget is not installed
[06:42] <tbenst> when i do "sudo apt-get install kget"
[06:42] <tbenst> it spits out
[06:43] <tbenst> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:43] <tbenst> kget: Depends: libplasma2 but it is not going to be installed
[06:43] <tbenst> E: Broken packages
[06:44] <wartalker> tbenst: apt-get install -f
[06:44] <wartalker> aptitude install
[06:45] <tbenst> -f made no changes
[06:45] <tbenst> i'll try aptitude, one sec
[06:46] <tbenst> "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:46] <tbenst> libplasma2: Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid3.1) but 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu7~intrepid1~ppa1 is installed.
[06:46] <tbenst> libplasma3: Conflicts: libplasma2 but 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid3.1 is to be installed.
[06:46] <tbenst> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[06:46] <tbenst> Remove the following packages:
[06:47] <tbenst> kdebase-workspace-bin, kdeplasma-addons, kubuntu-desktop, libplasma3
[06:47] <tbenst> "
[06:47] <tbenst> looks like kget is not kde 4.2 compatible?
[06:48] <tbenst> i can't imagine this major of an oversight--hell, its how konqueror downloads
[06:48] <mlocker> hello every body.
[06:48] <mlocker> I need some help.
[06:50] <vovyanych> всем здравствуйте. может кто подсказать программу для восстановления данных с флеш носителей?
[06:50] <tbenst> wartalker: any thoughts?
[06:51] <tbenst> or anyone else for that matter
[06:53] <tobias> Tried fixing them through Synaptic?
[06:56] <wartalker> tbenst: i think it not support 4.2, the kget
[06:58] <tbenst> huh
[06:58] <tbenst> surely they wouldn't release kde 4.2 without the web browser able to download?
[06:58] <wartalker> tbenst: i use firefox
[07:05] <tbenst> i generally use firefox as well, but i definitely need to be able to download from konqueror
[07:05] <tbenst> i'll submit a bug report i guess..
[07:07] <wartalker> tbenst: without kget, konqueror can download too
[07:08] <DaSkreech> tbenst: What's the problem?
[07:10] <Codd> which audio server does intrepid use by default?
[07:10] <tbenst> kget will not install
[07:11] <tbenst> apt-get shows that it is not installed
[07:11] <tbenst> (i have never removed it)
[07:11] <tbenst> but attempting to install it shows that it depends on libplasma2
[07:11] <tbenst> when KDE 4.2 is libplasma3
[07:12] <oracleofmist> anyone know good things about mysql and adding users through terminal?
[07:12] <oracleofmist> a pm would be great if someone does :)
[07:12] <Codd> oracleofmist: i know a bit
[07:14] <DaSkreech> tbenst: how did you install KDE 4.2 ?
[07:15] <DaSkreech> oracleofmist: That's a simple google away it's not hard info to find
[07:16] <tbenst> DaSkreech: i used adept
[07:16] <Prophetus> hello .. what means this : uic: File generated with too old version of Qt Designer
[07:16] <tbenst> with http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu
[07:16] <tbenst> as the source
[07:17] <oracleofmist> DaSkreech: well google isn't too helpful as most of the logins are concerned about localhost and ones that do give info about remote access users I followed to the T
[07:18] <DaSkreech> tbenst: what does apt-cache search kget show ?
[07:18] <DaSkreech> oracleofmist: local or remote make no difference once you are logged into the actual database
[07:18] <tbenst> DaSkreech: "kget - download manager for KDE 4"
[07:19] <oracleofmist> DaSkreech: well if i login as that user from the sql server itself i can access just fine
[07:19] <oracleofmist> if i login from the IP of the machine i specifically gave permission to login from i get access denied
[07:20] <DaSkreech> tbenst: apt-cache policy kget
[07:21] <DaSkreech> What is the candidate version ?
[07:21] <tbenst> Candidate: 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1
[07:23] <SJrX> My 3d preformance on my intel 945GME seems to have dropped drastically since I last checked it a few months ago.
[07:28] <tbenst> DaSkreech: thoughts?
[07:29] <DaSkreech> tbenst: sudo apt-get update
[07:29] <tbenst> updated fine, but same error with apt-get install kget
[07:30] <tbenst> kget: Depends: libplasma2 but it is not going to be installed
[07:32] <silver_swords> anyone knows how to get ubuntu to browse a  pocket-pc with wm6 ?
[07:33] <Codd> on a dual screen monitor can you have destop switching independantly ?  I have a tv on s-video and LCD on DVI I want to be able to switch desktops on the dvi with out disturbing my tv(playing movies ...)
[07:34] <sparr> yes
[07:34] <sparr> if youre doing very different things on the two, you may want to consider two separate X servers
[07:35] <tbenst> DaSkreech: would "apt-get install kget --ignore-missing" be a good idea?
[07:35] <sparr> tbenst: i do crazy things with apt, and i say --ignore-missing is a bad idea in general
[07:35] <DaSkreech> tbenst: no It's pulling an old version
[07:36] <DaSkreech> sparr: know how to get direct links to files on ppas ?
[07:37] <tbenst> sparr: thanks for the warning
[07:37] <Codd> sparr, ahhh sounds like it might work, can I set it up so I can launch a movie from the dvi monitor?  scrolling through 300+ movies on a CRT TV is painfull
[07:38] <tbenst> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=kget
[07:38] <sparr> Codd: you can, it would be tricky]
[07:39] <sparr> you would need to associate the movies with a script that launches your media player on the other X server
[07:39] <Codd> i would have to pass the the xserver with the argument eh
[07:39] <tbenst> the intrepid-backports package it says: 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1
[07:39] <sparr> so instead of "xine foo.mpg" you run "DISPLAY=:1 xine foo.mpg"
[07:39] <Codd> :)
[07:39] <Codd> gotcha
[07:39] <DaSkreech> tbenst: Yeah I know it's in backports
[07:39] <sparr> that is assuming there is no support for multiple X servers in your media player.  i dont know of one that has that, but it seems like a feature someone would have implemented
[07:40] <DaSkreech> tbenst: you can pull that if you like
[07:40] <Codd> doesnt really matter to me, if im gonna set up a script I mine as well change the arguments while im at it :)
[07:40] <Codd> i guess I can just associate media files with that script
[07:41] <Codd> ty sparr
[07:41] <tbenst> DaSkreech: i'm pretty new to linux--any downside to using the backport?
[07:41] <DaSkreech> tbenst: no official support
[07:44] <Codd> could I chose a different desktop manager for the other server as well?  Could I get something barebones that would save me from running kde 2x?
[07:44] <tbenst> DaSkreech: can i install backports from apt-get?
[07:44] <DaSkreech> tbenst: yes disable the experimental repo and click on unsupported updates
[07:47] <silver_swords> any help with pocket-pc wm6 ?
[07:48] <tbenst> DaSkreech: awesome.  thank you very much
[07:53] <silver_swords> pocket-pc wm6.. anybody?
[07:56] <silver_swords> =)
[07:57] <silver_swords> anyone has bill gates phone number?
[07:57] <Codd> yup
[07:57] <Codd> im willing to give it up for .... 1 millllion
[07:57] <silver_swords> you think he knows wm6?  =)
[07:58] <Codd> i doubt it
[07:58] <tbenst> he only runs wm7
[07:58] <Codd> i dont event think he knows what that stands for
[07:58] <silver_swords> lol
[08:02] <Codd> silver_swords: ur running a dowz platform and came to a linux chat room ...?  you must be desperate
[08:02] <silver_swords> im with ubuntu 8.1 and a wm6 pocket-pc.
[08:04] <silver_swords> i keep getting "Nautilus cannot handle "synce" locations."
[08:04] <Codd> what are you trying to do?
[08:04] <silver_swords> browse it
[08:05] <Codd> the local fs?
[08:05] <silver_swords> i can get internet gprs, but not browse.
[08:05] <silver_swords> yea
[08:07] <Codd> ur running kubuntu on it?
[08:08] <silver_swords> is there a difference? im relatively new to linux.
[08:08] <Codd> just so i know what software your running on it thats all
[08:10] <Codd> i might still be able to help you out
[08:11] <silver_swords> recommend something
[08:11] <silver_swords> please do
[08:12] <Codd> lol I have no clue you could run linux on a windows pda, I thought you did :)
[08:12] <Codd> do you have a kernel installed on it?
[08:12] <silver_swords> no no.. i got a linux pc and a pocket-pc with wm6.  =)
[08:13] <Codd> ooooo
[08:13] <Codd> i c
[08:14] <silver_swords> it sees it but cant explore with file manager.
[08:14] <Codd> how are you connecting to it ?  bluetooth, usb, ...?
[08:15] <silver_swords> usb
[08:15] <silver_swords> i tied both though.
[08:15] <silver_swords> tried
[08:16] <silver_swords> with bluetooth it gets the pin code but thats all.
[08:20] <silver_swords> i tried other phones like nokia and sony/erric. and they work no probs.
[08:20] <Codd> http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSync might help you out
[08:22] <silver_swords> hmm.. none of the supported devices are wm6. =)
[08:23] <silver_swords> anyways.. i'll have a read on that link.
[08:23] <silver_swords> thnx Codd
[08:24] <david_> hello, i'm having a problem with konsole since this morning update. My cursor appear 3 characters after it should be (and where it write). It also say "Terminal is not fully functional" when i try to use less
[08:24] <david_> The fonts looks strange too. Do you have any idea how i can fix this?
[08:29] <Pontifex> crazy
[08:35] <maroxe> yo
[09:29] <tdn> How do I install Java so that it works in Konqueror in Ubuntu 8.04? I have tried doing this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java, but it does not work.
[09:40] <drbobb> hey, it's been a while since i built kernels on my own.. how com are the *.ko files produced by building with make-kpkg a whole LOT larger than those that come with a binary linux-image package?
[09:49] <lean2501> hi!
[09:49] <mefisto__> 1hi
[09:50] <mefisto__> !hi
[09:50] <lean2501> how can i install kubuntu to my netbook without a cd drive? i mean i need the iso in my pen drive
[09:50] <lean2501> but don't know how?
[09:50] <lean2501> can i with dd?
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[09:53] <mefisto__> !install
[09:53] <lean2501> thanks!!
[09:53] <mefisto__> lean2501: that first link tells you how to install from pen drive
[09:54] <lean2501> great!
[09:55] <lean2501> thankyou guys!
[09:56] <heinkel_112> does anyone know in which package are the screensavers that come standard with kubuntu are located?
[09:56] <heinkel_112> I am going to file a bug report related to a lockup/freeze on re-entry
[09:57] <heinkel_112> the password box never shows up when I am using the opengl screensavers
[09:58] <heinkel_112> I think it is in kubuntu-desktop?
[10:00] <mefisto__> kscreensaver ? kscreensaver-kde4 ? do a search "apt-cache search screensaver"  and figure out which ones you have installed
[10:03] <heinkel_112> yeah, struggling with that now
[10:07] <mefisto__> heinkel_111: apt-cache pkgnames | grep screensaver   <-- will list installed packages with "screensaver" in the name
[10:07] <heinkel_112> the only thing I can get out with ii in front when I do dpkg -l *screensavers is kscreensaver
[10:08] <heinkel_112> although the package description says it will run xsavers in kde there does not appear to be a separate xsaver package
[10:09] <heinkel_112> so I will file the bug against kscreensaver
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> heinkel_11i used to get that
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> heinkel_11try: dpkg-l | grep screen
[10:11] <fxcp> hi folks. how stable is jaunty today? do you recommend it for new desktop installations?
[10:12] <mefisto__> fxcp: although it's pretty good, jaunty is still alpha afaik, so can't be relied on. and who knows what updates will do to your install between now and release?
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty | fxcp
[10:13] <heinkel_112> ActionParsnip: mefisto__: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/125679/ <-- don't you agree it appears kscreensaver is guilty?
[10:14] <heinkel_112> I haven't installed anything related to screensaver that was not in the original kubuntu 8.10 release and updates
[10:15] <TheAlien> hiya! im just about to install this program 'terminator' on kubuntu, but it seems to want to install a lot of gnome related things.. gnome-mount, libraries, fonts ,etc. just wanted to make sure i wont screw up my beautiful kde ubuntu by doing so.. any comment?
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> heinkel_112: possibly, why not disable screensaver and turn off you monitor..you will have installed a power and moneysaver
[10:16] <sergey_> hi, is there irc client for gnome?
[10:17] <bazhang> !info xchat
[10:17] <sergey_> thanx
[10:17] <bazhang> np
[10:17] <TheAlien> oo neato
[10:17] <TheAlien> !info terminator
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> !clients
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> !irc
[10:18] <TheAlien> so- the windows are gnome, but i can run it in kde? becuase of the magic of gtk? or am i way off
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> TheAlien: kinda
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> TheAlien: you can have as many desktop environmets installed as you wish (gnome, kde, xfce)
[10:19] <fxcp> mefisto__: ok, thx
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> TheAlien: one will be the running one but the libs and apps of the others are still accessible
[10:19] <heinkel_112> ActioParsnip: yeah, that is a doable solution. For now I am just filliing in the bugreports as a kubuntu citizen should. The screensavers that does not use opengl seem to work ok, so I will be using a slideshow of my photos for a while. Turning off the monitor used to fail on my desktop in the past because the powersaving features did not communicate well with my samsung displays however my latop with intel graphics probably works
[10:19] <heinkel_112> ok.
[10:19] <ubuntu_> anyone running kubuntu on virtualbox in seamless mode
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> TheAlien: you will also have a window manager that runs ontop of that
[10:20] <TheAlien> ActionParsnip: ok. i think i get it. so this shouldnt beespecially  dangerous. thanks a bunch
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> TheAlien: so you can run say, gnome in ubuntu but can run amarok, you will just have a tonne of dependancys to install as amarok uses kde stuffs
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> TheAlien: i personally run fluxbox but i installed it on kubuntu, so i dont have to look at kwin
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> TheAlien: but i still run ktorret and amarok and kate
[10:22] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: I'm running kubuntu on vbox. I could switch to seamless mode. why?
[10:22] <ubuntu_> well
[10:23] <ubuntu_> when i right click on the tab for this channel
[10:23] <ubuntu_> it shows up blank after the end of the window
[10:23] <ubuntu_> not a huge problem i just wouldnt like a similar thing to happen with another app
[10:24] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: what shows up blank? the channel window?
[10:24] <ubuntu_> no the menu for the channel tab
[10:25] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: make sure the main vbox window is not interfering. try moving it to a different area of the screen to see if that was making the menu blank
[10:26] <ubuntu_> its not in the window
[10:26] <ubuntu_> its seamless
[10:26] <ubuntu_> lol
[10:26] <steven__> moin
[10:26] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: yes, but the main vbox window must be open somewhere. try moving it somewhere else
[10:27] <ubuntu_> ahh
[10:27] <ubuntu_> i just figured out what to do
[10:27] <ubuntu_> attach it to the panel
[10:27] <ubuntu_> the menu doesnt read over my windows desktop
[10:29] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: #vbox might be able to help further
[10:29] <ubuntu_> oh for real
[10:29] <ubuntu_> i didnt even know that was a channel thanks
[10:29] <lolren> ............00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[11:09] <shivain22> hii friends
[11:10] <shivain22> im new to ubuntu
[11:10] <shivain22> and im really impressed with this
[11:10] <shivain22> i hope in due course of time i will b able to contribute to this society
[11:10] <bazhang> !contribute
[11:11] <bazhang> shivain22, the best time is now :)
[11:12] <shivain22> yeah sure
[11:12] <shivain22> thx
[11:12] <shivain22> hey by the way can anyone tell me how to configure serial port in ubuntu
[11:13] <shivain22> im using virtual box in ubuntu intrepid 64 bits, and im unable to allow serial port to the guest OS
[11:13] <bazhang> shivain22, virtualbox-ose from repos?
[11:15] <shivain22> not the ose
[11:15] <UnderWraps_> how can I fix video drivers?  last night I manually installed the ati 9.2 drivers, rebooted, played games etc everything was really good. Today when I started the PC the displayed screen is unreadable, how can I fix this? thanks
[11:15] <shivain22> its vbox non free but from the ubuntu repos only
[11:15] <UnderWraps_> shivain22: are the serial ports enabled in the BIOS?
[11:15] <shivain22> i used apt-get
[11:15] <bazhang> shivain22, that is the ose
[11:16] <shivain22> but i have the usb support
[11:16] <shivain22> i heard that ose dont have usb support
[11:16] <shivain22> by the way when i was using windows xp my serial were working
[11:16] <bazhang> shivain22, what version of kubuntu/ubuntu
[11:16] <shivain22> so i suppose that in bios its enabled
[11:16] <shivain22> ubuntu intrepid 64 bits
[11:16] <shivain22> 8.10
[11:16] <UnderWraps_> it appears to be :)
[11:17] <shivain22> and on top of it i installed the latest k environment
[11:17] <bazhang> this is kde 4.2 or 4.1
[11:17] <shivain22> just one second i have to check it
[11:17] <mefisto__> shivain22: did you enable the serial ports in vbox for the VM?
[11:18] <shivain22> yeah
[11:18] <shivain22> and i selected the host device option from drop down
[11:18] <altrortla> hei buddy... what program to capture images with kubuntu 8.04 ????
[11:18] <shivain22> and gave the path /dev/ttyS0 and ttyS1
[11:18] <altrortla> from web cam
[11:19] <shivain22> where to check the kde version?
[11:19] <bazhang> shivain22, did you install from backports or a ppa?
[11:20] <shivain22> i suppose i installed from the ubuntu repos
[11:20] <shivain22> i used the sudo apt-get install kde- something
[11:20] <bazhang> shivain22, did you enable backports or ppa
[11:20] <mefisto__> shivain22: help menu, about KDE (in a kde app) or kded4 --version    in terminal
[11:20] <bazhang> or simply kubuntu-desktop
[11:20] <shivain22> i dint get it, can you elaborate it pls
[11:20] <shivain22> im a novice in linux
[11:21] <shivain22> my kde 4.1.4
[11:22] <shivain22> what about backport or ppa?
[11:22] <shivain22> and how to go about it
[11:23] <bazhang> shivain22, backports is to get 4.2, but wont fix your serial issue with vbox
[11:23] <shivain22> ohh ok
[11:23] <shivain22> well i understand now
[11:24] <bazhang> shivain22, I dont have a serial device to test or I would
[11:24] <shivain22> ok
[11:24] <shivain22> shall i tell you what im exactlly trying to do
[11:24] <bazhang> sure
[11:24] <shivain22> i have one usb modem, and the provider gave me a driver and dialer program for windows xp
[11:25] <shivain22> so when i install that it just install the data interface and the usb modem driver in com5 and com6
[11:25] <shivain22> so when i was working with windows xp it was not a problem
[11:25] <bazhang> dial up?
[11:25] <shivain22> yeah
[11:25] <shivain22> in ubuntu hardy heron i was able to get the modem dial and connect to internet
[11:26] <shivain22> in kubuntu it was more easy
[11:26] <bazhang> !dialup
[11:26] <skamster> hello there.. i had a aspire one which doesn't had a working wlan..
[11:26] <shivain22> and i did that, i am able to  connect to internet with kppp and the Knetworkmanager too
[11:26] <shivain22> its not a problem
[11:26] <bazhang> ok
[11:26] <skamster> i looked there for a tutorial and make, what is written (but it's in german, don't know english version)
[11:26] <skamster> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne#Install Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex 8.10 on the Acer Aspire One
[11:27] <shivain22> but the problem is im unable to receive any sms or unable to make any call with that modem
[11:27] <skamster> now i had new 2 devices in ifconfig
[11:27] <shivain22> so what i did was that i installed vbox and installed windows xp in that
[11:27] <skamster> wifi0 and ath0
[11:27] <shivain22> and i shared the usb in that
[11:27] <skamster> (i used madwifi-hal)
[11:27] <skamster> but both doesn't work (i use wicd as networkmanager)
[11:28] <shivain22> now windows is trying to install the driver, but when it comes to installing the data interface on the com ports, windows is unable to open the com port
[11:28] <skamster> does someone know a reason?
[11:29] <shivain22> so now i want to enable the serial port of the host os so that the guest can use that
[11:29] <bazhang> shivain22, so basically the internet connectivity is ok, but the extra features such as making calls and text messaging dont work at present
[11:29] <shivain22> you getting me bazhang
[11:29] <shivain22> yeah exactly
[11:29] <shivain22> the reason why im looking for that is
[11:30] <shivain22> the phone accounts password is sent via sms only
[11:30] <shivain22> and i dont want to make my system a dual boot just for the sake of checking sms and making calls
[11:30] <bazhang> shivain22, hmm, dont know much about dialup modems and such; may be repeat every so often, also ask in #ubuntu and #vbox
[11:30] <vbgunz> where can I fond older versions of konsole? is there a list of older versions I can choose from?
[11:30] <shivain22> ok
[11:31] <bazhang> more eyes the better likelihood someone will know :)
[11:31] <shivain22> but can you tell me how to check whether the serial port is working in kubuntu
[11:32] <shivain22> im already talking in vbox irc
[11:32] <shivain22> i dont know the server for ubuntu irc
[11:32] <UnderWraps_> #ubuntu
[11:34] <bazhang> although if you do get help in another ubuntu channel, best to keep it there, as most helpers are in both channels
[11:35] <bazhang> oops
[11:36] <shiva_> hii friends
[11:46] <larsaam> Hi shiva_ :)
[11:46] <shiva_> hii
[11:46] <shiva_> larsaam
[11:46] <shiva_> im facing a problem in kubuntu
[11:46] <altrortla> what program i had to use to shooth images with a web cam?
[11:46] <shiva_> can you help me
[11:48] <shiva_> hi larsaam
[11:49] <larsaam> shiva_: just ask?
[11:50] <shiva_> i need hlep on serial ports
[11:50] <shiva_> im using vbox and a windows xp guest
[11:50] <shiva_> i wanna enable serial port com5 and com6 so that xp can use
[11:51] <shiva_> im getting error
[11:51] <larsaam> shiva_: like this: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=virtualbox+serial+port ?
[11:52] <larsaam> shiva_: at least it seems your not alone..
[11:53] <mefisto__> shiva_: if it's the windows config you need help with, you can try asking in #windows
[11:53] <shiva_> not that
[11:53] <shiva_> windows is not at all getting the serial ports
[11:53] <shiva_> the vbox on start itself complains unable to do some IO
[11:54] <mefisto__> shiva_: did you enable the serial ports in vbox for the VM?
[11:55] <shiva_> yeah i did
[11:56] <shiva_> but afte enabling when i start it , vbox give me an error
[11:56] <steve_baker> hi all
[11:56] <shiva_> it gives VERR_DEV_IO_ERROR
[11:56] <steve_baker> i find myself in a situation where i need to start gnome-power-manager when kde loads
[11:57] <steve_baker> i'd like to do so in a script
[11:57] <steve_baker> i've searched around and it seems there are a few different options
[11:57] <steve_baker> was wondering if someone with experience in this kind of thing could point me to the best approach
[12:14] <jalejo08> hi
[12:15] <jalejo08> anybody know how to compile dll with jni ??
[12:15] <david13> I lost my password I registered this account with
[12:15] <david13> How do I get it back?
[12:24] <david13> ugh
[12:25] <david13> My internet is slow, and all I have is a xubuntu 8.10 installed.... I want to use kde but I am having troubles installing
[12:25] <david13> What is the exact metapackage name used to install kde?
[12:25] <david13> I am messing up more then installing anything
[12:26] <[kabotage]> install kubuntu-desktop
[12:26] <david13> kubuntu-desktop doesn't seem to exist
[12:27] <[kabotage]> kde4 ?
[12:27] <david13> SO that means my repositories may be messed up some how?
[12:28] <[kabotage]> dunno
[12:28] <david13> We have xubuntu-desktop
[12:28] <david13> not even a ubuntu-desktop
[12:28] <[kabotage]> have you tried using aptitude instead of apt-get
[12:28] <david13> hmmm
[12:30] <david13> I don't know what is going on... I guess I screwed stuff up trying to install adept
[12:30] <david13> I like it cause it downloads more then one package at a time
[12:30] <david13> synaptic and apt don't
[12:30] <david13> I guess I'll need to wait 36 minutes
[12:31] <[kabotage]> update it and try it again. hmm
[12:31] <david13> It all works out in the end
[12:33] <david13> I'll be returning home soon, so I'll have broad band... I need to make do over here...
[12:33] <david13> Can
[12:33] <david13> Can't win for loosing
[12:33] <sdasdasdad> i have a question
[12:33] <sdasdasdad> can ask ?
[12:34] <david13> Are you able?
[12:34] <david13> Oops you already asked one...
[12:34] <sdasdasdad> i try to use hping3, but no work, why
[12:34] <sdasdasdad> root@linux:/etc/default# hping3 –rand-source -S 232.35.237.87 -p 80 –flood &
[12:34] <sdasdasdad> hping3: you must specify only one target host at a time
[12:34] <sdasdasdad> [2] 3393
[12:34] <sdasdasdad> [2]-  Exit 1                  hping3 –rand-source -S 232.35.237.87 -p 80 –flood
[12:35] <sdasdasdad> how can use ?
[12:37] <david13> I don't know what you are trying to do.
[12:38] <sdasdasdad> i want to flood a ip
[12:38] <david13> Is that legal?
[12:38] <sdasdasdad> yes
[12:38] <bazhang> sdasdasdad, ddos attack?
[12:39] <sdasdasdad> yes
[12:39] <sdasdasdad> dos atak
[12:39] <bazhang> sdasdasdad, take it elsewhere
[12:39] <jussi01> !illegal
[12:39] <bazhang> ie off freenode
[12:39] <sdasdasdad> in romania no is illegal ;)
[12:39] <bazhang> sdasdasdad, stop now
[12:39] <sdasdasdad> i legal enithing here
[12:39] <david13> Sorry I can't help
[12:39] <sdasdasdad> ;)
[12:39] <sdasdasdad> ok
[12:39] <jussi01> sdasdasdad: if you dont stop, you will  be removed
[12:39] <sdasdasdad>  bye ;)
[12:40] <sdasdasdad> back, other question, is legal this..
[12:40] <sdasdasdad> i want to reject ping
[12:40] <sdasdasdad> what is command
[12:41] <bazhang> sdasdasdad, how is this related to kubuntu
[12:41] <sdasdasdad> iptatables...
[12:41] <sdasdasdad> ?
[12:41] <sdasdasdad> ye ubuntu
[12:41] <david13> I need to pack so I can get back to the USA.... Iraq sucks.  Thanks for the help people...
[12:41] <bazhang> sdasdasdad, man iptables
[12:41] <david13> 15 months seems like forever.....
[12:41] <sdasdasdad> ipchains -A input -p icmp -f -j DENY -i $eth
[12:41] <sdasdasdad> ?
[12:41] <david13> It is amazing I didn't go nuts
[12:42] <jussi01> !offtopic | david13
[12:42] <sdasdasdad> or what,  i tryng to smb to ping (my ip), am i want to no reply pinging
[12:42] <david13> Okay... you are strict here. bye
[13:05] <shivain22> hello everybody
[13:06] <Kransac> :)
[13:06] <shivain22> im new to ubuntu and im using kubuntu the kde version is 4.1.1
[13:06] <shivain22> i have some problem regarding the serial ports+vbox+windows xp guest
[13:07] <shivain22> can anyone help me regarding that
[13:07] <Kransac> Do you know how to set the "printing quality option" using CUPS command line? In order to set a document printing to "draft quality" or "fine quality"
[13:08] <BluesKaj> cups command line ? ...why not just use the GUI ?
[13:09] <Kransac> BluesKaj: I don't know why each time I use the webinterface I have huge marings, so i'd prefer not to use it
[13:10] <shivain22> hii any webcam software for kubuntu?
[13:11] <Kransac> And I don't want to print from Okular because I can't print odd or even pages (I really need it to save the planet ;-) )
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Kransac , what printer ?
[13:11] <Kransac> I have a Brother DCP-330C
[13:11] <Kransac> But in the Brother utility there is no option for odd / even pages either :(
[13:12] <BluesKaj> is there a brother printer icon in your panel ?
[13:13] <Kransac> No. Brother only provides "some kind" of drivers.
[13:13] <Kransac> that can be set only through command line or using cups interface (as far as I know)
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Kransac , so you haven't installed the Brother optional drivers ?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Kransac , you want to print 2 sided pages
[13:16] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:16] <Kransac> BluesKaj: Yes I did. With those drivers I can set the printing option do "draft" or "fine" but there are no options to set "odd" or "even" pages. But Cups can. So i'd like to use Cups command line but then I can find any "draft" / "fine" option
[13:16] <Kransac> BluesKaj: Yes ;-)
[13:17] <Kransac> (by I can, I mean I can't find the "draft / fine" option)
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Cups in the command line..I'm not familiar with that way of using cups ...never tried it
[13:20] <Kransac> BlueEagle: Ok. Thank you anyway. But from my point of view cups command line work better than the webinterface (I'm not at all a command line addict), but that's probably because I didn't get how to use the webinterface
[13:22] <alessandro_> ls
[13:22] <alessandro_> ciao
[13:22] <jussi01> !it | alessandro_
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Kransac , I did a man cups in the konsole and all I got was a "No manual entry for cups"
[13:24] <Kransac> I get the same :(
[13:24] <Kransac> I couldn't find that option in the manual available on the web. That's pretty strange
[13:37] <shadeslayer> hey guys
[13:37] <shadeslayer> anyone one the new kernel??
[13:38] <shadeslayer> i have some problems with my menu.lst
[13:38] <mefisto__> Kransac: I'm struggling to see the problem. you say you can get cups to print odd/even pages, right?
[13:38] <groovy26> hey, has anyone managed to enable 3d acceleration in vmware with XP as a guest?
[13:38] <Kransac> Ok I solved it thanks to someone on the cups chanel :)
[13:39] <Kransac> mefisto__: no, the thing was to set the resolution with wups command line, odd pages setting works
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Kransac , that makes sense .. a cups chat :)
[13:39] <shadeslayer> hehe
[13:39] <shadeslayer> so no one with 2.6.27-13??
[13:40] <Kransac> If it can help the command line is lp -o Resolution=Draft FILE
[13:40] <Kransac> it wasn't really hard :)
[13:40]  * BluesKaj decides to have another cup ..... of coffee :)
[13:40] <Denise> hehe
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Kransac , what directory  ~/cups ?
[13:41] <mefisto__> Kransac: might be useful to set up a new printer with those settings, so you can choose which to print with from any app using cups
[13:42] <shadeslayer> so can anyone help me?? with this http://pastebin.com/m62704034
[13:42] <Kransac> BluesKaj: I don't understand you question. You want to know in what directory to type the command?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> what happens is that it asks  for a vga mode everytime i boot
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Kransac , /usr/bin/cups or ... ?
[13:43] <Kransac> mefisto__: You mean using "printers" like profiles? Like one printer would print draft and both side and an other one fine and one side for example?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> it offers me : enter--> select VGA mode,space-->continue,or wait 30 secs
[13:44] <corigo3> Anyone familiat the Gigabyte mother boards?
[13:44] <mefisto__> Kransac: yes, that's what I mean. I don't see why that wouldn't work, and might simplify things if you change certain settings regularly
[13:45] <Kransac> BluesKaj: I just type this command in the directory where the file I want to print is located. It's not a permanent setting, I have to set it each time I print (permanent settings can be set using lpoption instead of lp)
[13:45] <Kransac> mefisto__: Yes, good idea, i'll do that thanks
[13:46] <BluesKaj> ok Kransac , understood
[13:46] <shadeslayer> nobody looking into my problem?? :(
[13:47]  * shadeslayer thinks of removing the ' vga ' word
[13:47] <Kransac> Thanks a lot for you help and suggestion. I was a kind of "stupid" problem but it helps me a lot saving money and trees
[13:48] <shadeslayer> anything for the enviroment
[13:48] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:50] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer , looks like you have to reconfigure or edit Xorg.conf ..why not post that file in pastebin , so we can take a look
[13:50] <shadeslayer> xorg.conf,hmm
[13:50] <shadeslayer> one sec
[13:50] <shadeslayer> /etc/X11 right
[13:50] <mefisto__> shadeslayer: do you need that vga=799 in there?
[13:50] <shadeslayer> i thought so too
[13:51] <shadeslayer> i tried the modes it provided me on boot
[13:51] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, alt+f2 , kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:51] <shadeslayer> 364 and others
[13:52] <shadeslayer> xorg http://pastebin.com/m46ca95c0
[13:53] <shadeslayer> btw i also have problems connecting to my TV
[13:53] <shadeslayer> SDTV
[13:53] <shadeslayer> but thats later
[13:55] <noren> hi all
[13:56] <shadeslayer> heya
[13:57] <vbgunz> anybody know how to get powerdevil to associate itself with the power button? I am failing miserably and the system just shuts down :/
[13:57] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:57] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer ..dunno about running 2 scrns
[13:57] <shadeslayer> ooohh
[13:57] <shadeslayer> i know
[13:57] <shadeslayer> vbgunz: use kpower save
[13:57] <shadeslayer> make that kpowersave
[13:58] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: np
[13:58] <vbgunz> how, why? is that what associates with the powerbutton?
[13:58] <shadeslayer> i need that prompt to gone
[13:58] <vbgunz> I am also running powerdevil if that means anything?
[13:58] <shadeslayer> vbgunz: yeah,it has button association
[13:58] <shadeslayer> hmm i rarely use powerdevil
[13:58] <vbgunz> shadeslayer: I have to download it?
[13:58] <shadeslayer> open a terminal
[13:59] <shadeslayer> and type sudo apt-get install kpowersave
[13:59] <shadeslayer> vbgunz: yeah
[13:59] <vbgunz> yeah I can do that but will it interfere with powerdevil?
[13:59] <shadeslayer> noo
[13:59] <vbgunz> ok, I'll try
[13:59] <shadeslayer> it gives me more options than powerdevil
[14:00] <vbgunz> where do I find these options? systemsettings?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> in the kmenu
[14:00] <BluesKaj> applications, vbgunz
[14:01] <shadeslayer> vbgunz: installed??
[14:01] <vbgunz> shadeslayer: yeah
[14:01] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: any idea??
[14:01] <shadeslayer> vbgunz: type kpowersave in same terminal
[14:02] <shadeslayer> youll see a new icon in the system tray
[14:02] <vbgunz> I see it in the system tray
[14:02] <shadeslayer> now open it
[14:02] <mefisto__> vbgunz: have you looked at the power profiles in systemsettings > power management, edit profiles?
[14:02] <shadeslayer> vbgunz: right click and configure kpowersave
[14:03] <shadeslayer> its under the general settings tab >button events
[14:03] <vbgunz> ok, am going to try suspending with the power button
[14:03] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: did you look at the xorg.conf??
[14:03] <shadeslayer> vbgunz: good luck
[14:04] <vbgunz> heh, thanks :)
[14:05] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: what will happen if i  remove the vga thingy
[14:06] <shadeslayer> vbgunz: what happened??
[14:07] <vbgunz> it worked (somewhat). for the first time, the powerbutton suspended to ram *but* powering back up, it turned on then went back to sleep. not sure why. my bios has ^ESC associated with waking up so thats how I woke it up the second time *but* it is associated with the powerbutton
[14:08] <vbgunz> am going to try it again.
[14:09] <shadeslayer> btw you can change the settings in system settings>advanced>power management
[14:09] <shadeslayer> its under edit profiles
[14:11] <vbgunz> shadeslayer: thats powerdevil for me
[14:11] <shadeslayer> yeah i know
[14:11] <shadeslayer> try using that if kpowersa ve doesnt work
[14:11] <vbgunz> to be honest, I just need 2 things. 1 the powerbutton "suspends to ram", 2. wake up with the screen locked
[14:12] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, looks to me like you have 2 scrns , right ?
[14:12] <vbgunz> I don't want another app although kpowersave seems to have worked :/
[14:12] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:12] <shadeslayer> vbgunz: lol,well now you have something better than powerdevil
[14:13] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: raarely use the other screen
[14:20] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: busy??
[14:21] <corigo3> Every time I try to install 8.10 it does a core dump and fails before I even get to the disk formatting tool
[14:21] <corigo3> I've of coursed verified both the MD5 and the disk itself
[14:21] <thor_> if i delete the files from /var/cache/apt when i run adept it will download again those packages or only the newest ones ?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> only new ones i think
[14:23]  * shadeslayer thinks BluesKaj went for alot of coffee
[14:23] <thor_> * /var/cache/apt/archives
[14:23] <mefisto__> thor_: I think it will only download what's needed, that is, the packages you are installing. sudo apt-get clean will remove them all
[14:24] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I'm not familiar with those settings in xorg under the first "section screen" ..my settings are as follows; Identifier     "Screen0",  Device         "Device0",  Monitor        "Monitor0", DefaultDepth    24 , SubSection     "Display", Depth       24, EndSubSection
[14:24] <shadeslayer> maybe nvidia settings messed that up
[14:25] <thor_> i see.. i guess i will try
[14:25] <MaGicKanGaRoo> blues maybe use http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[14:25] <shadeslayer> i ran it as sudo
[14:26] <shadeslayer> so this is what ill do
[14:26] <shadeslayer> ill remove that vg
[14:26] <shadeslayer> *vga
[14:26] <shadeslayer> and reboot and tell you the results
[14:27] <shadeslayer> ok byee
[14:27] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer , I use the nvidia 7600GT card ...here's my Xorg.conf file , maybe it'll help , http://pastebin.ca/1351942
[14:29] <BluesKaj> wunnnerfu, i missed him
[14:30] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, my xorg.conf , http://pastebin.ca/1351942
[14:30] <shadeslayer> OMG OMG
[14:30] <shadeslayer> it worked
[14:31] <shadeslayer> it worked...........
[14:31] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:31] <BluesKaj> great
[14:31] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: no need
[14:31] <corigo3> Can't load ubuntu 8.04 or Kubuntu 8.10 getting a SquashFS error : Unable to read page block. Have verified MD5 on ISOs and checked the disks for errors. Can't even get to the drive manger to do initial drive setup.
[14:31] <BluesKaj> right
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[14:31] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: thanks anyway
[14:31] <BluesKaj> np shadeslayer
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ;)
[14:32] <shadeslayer> no to get back to my maths tutorial sheets
[14:32]  * shadeslayer goes back 
[14:36] <BluesKaj> corigo3 , your ISO must be still be compressed with zlib according to this http://freshmeat.net/projects/squashfs/
[14:45] <shadeslayer> W: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Kubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release amd64 (20081030)]/dists/intrepid/restricted/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[14:45] <shadeslayer>  Failed to fetch cdrom:[Kubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release amd64 (20081030)]/dists/intrepid/restricted/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[14:45] <shadeslayer>  Failed to fetch cdrom:[Kubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release amd64 (20081030)]/dists/intrepid/restricted/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[14:45] <shadeslayer> hey
[14:45] <shadeslayer> oops
[14:45] <jussi01> shadeslayer: pastebin ;)
[14:45] <shadeslayer> getting HUGE lag
[14:45] <shadeslayer> ok better
[14:45] <shadeslayer> so how do i remove that error form apt
[14:45] <shadeslayer> jussi01: i was getting huge lag,didnt see i had pasted it already
[14:46] <shadeslayer> so how do i add that cd rom??
[14:46] <shadeslayer> apt-cdrom then??
[14:47] <shadeslayer> in fact i get alot of errors on update
[14:48] <shadeslayer> one sec
[14:48] <shadeslayer> pasting
[14:49] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/125801/
[14:50] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer , open your souces.list and comment out the cdrom source with a # in front of the deb , usually the first in the list
[14:50] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:50] <BluesKaj> err sources.list
[14:51] <Meus3691> Ciao amici di #kubuntu
[14:51] <Meus3691> .:Ciao:. a tutti
[14:51] <shadeslayer> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid restricted main
[14:51] <shadeslayer> that??
[14:52] <shadeslayer> same errors
[14:53] <BluesKaj> No,  shadeslayer, alt+f2 , kdesudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:53] <BluesKaj> oops , kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:53] <ederico> Hello, I'm having a problem with reading CDs/DVDs, I'm running KDE 4.2 on Kubuntu 8.10
[14:54] <ederico> I've tried it on 3 different computers with the same setup, same results. One of them has a working WinXP and that gives me no problem, so it is probably not a hardware problem
[14:54] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: whats the CD ROM for anyways?
[14:55] <shadeslayer> same
[14:56] <shadeslayer> i put # infront of first deb file
[14:56] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, it's the original source repos for your setup during install, it has the required apps for an elementary setup
[14:56] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:56] <shadeslayer> but same errors
[14:56] <BluesKaj> looks like this ..sortof,  # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081029.1)]/ intrepid main restricted
[14:57] <shadeslayer> one sec
[14:57] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer put the # in front like the above
[14:58] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, then do a,  sudo apt-get update
[14:58] <shadeslayer> oh found it
[14:59] <shadeslayer> that error was removed
[14:59] <shadeslayer> what about the other ones??
[15:00] <shadeslayer> gpg errors
[15:00] <BluesKaj> gpg errors are common , and you can ususally safely ignore them
[15:02] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:02] <shadeslayer> thanks once again :)
[15:02] <shadeslayer> bye
[15:02] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer , this will explain it , some what http://ryanorser.com/?p=772
[15:16] <vbgunz> wheres shadeslayer?
[15:16] <casinowarren> hi everyone, how's it going?
[15:17] <casinowarren> does anyone know how to install the latest version of iTunes on kubuntu
[15:17] <jussi01> !wine | casinowarren
[15:18] <jussi01> !appdb | casinowarren, check if it works here:
[15:18] <casinowarren> yeah i tried it using wine but i keep getting errors
[15:18] <andrea_> hi , i can t resolve my mmonitor configuration , xorg is bloked
[15:19] <andrea_> somebody patient?
[15:19] <lovre> is Desktop Google for linux any good? Is it worth installing?
[15:20] <MaGicKanGaRoo> Has anyone had any luck removing the little yellow squigle that controls the widgets on kde4 desktop?
[15:20] <squid0> it's supposed to be there
[15:20] <MaGicKanGaRoo> yes i know, but can you get rid of it easily
[15:21] <squid0> lovre: I find it the best desktop search client for linux
[15:21] <MaGicKanGaRoo> or anyway through config files
[15:21] <squid0> no idea
[15:21] <mefisto__> MaGicKanGaRoo: you could move it to appear behind the bottom panel, if it gets in your way
[15:22] <MaGicKanGaRoo> cool thanks thats a bit neater
[15:23] <casinowarren> it says that i need to patch wine to install it
[15:23] <lovre> squid0: so google desktop is only a search tool? There arent any additional widgets i get with it?
[15:25] <casinowarren> where can i get the patch to help me install iTunes?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> casinowarren , Itunes was designed originally to run on a mac , not windows , so dunno if wine is a good suggestion , but Rhythmbox might do the trick.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> !Rhythmbox
[15:31] <fxcp> hi folks. what would you prefer to get kde 4.2 running: installing jaunty vs intrepid+4.2 ports?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> !jaunty
[15:34] <casinowarren> rythmbox isn't very good
[15:35] <casinowarren> i did some research into it and it says that i need a patch
[15:37] <BluesKaj> casinowarren , ok ...not an ipod fan so that's far as I go with that one :)
[15:41] <mefisto__> casinowarren: you mean what it says here about the patch? http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14793
[15:46] <casinowarren> yeah, i'm having problems with this part mefisto
[15:47] <mefisto__> casinowarren: which part?
[15:48] <casinowarren> the second download part
[15:49] <casinowarren> sudo apt-get build-dep wine
[15:49] <casinowarren> says unable to find source package for wine
[15:50] <BluesKaj> casinowarren ,http://www.winehq.org/
[15:55] <hw__> Is firefox on hardy binded (themes) to KDE?
[15:55] <hw__> I just upgraded from gutsy to hardy and the tabs on firefox look ugly...
[15:57] <BluesKaj> hw__, that's prolly the default theme at work there ...and yes i think FF is bound to the kde look/theme
[16:04] <alexandre> Hello
[16:04] <Guest88983> Salut
[16:04] <alexandre_> Salut
[16:04] <alexandre_> Hello
[16:04] <alexandre_> Hi
[16:05] <casinowarren> hi alexandre_
[16:05] <avihayb> :->
[16:08] <hw__> Can I have a K7 smp kernel with a kubuntu i386 distribution? the i386 kernel just shows one core...
[16:20] <Tm_T> hw__: using -generic kernel package?
[16:23] <hw__> Tm_T: yes
[16:24] <Tm_T> hw__: well, -generic should do that
[16:25] <hw__> Tm_T: cat /proc/cpuinfo shows only one CPU. I installed the K7 meta packages but didn't help
[16:25] <Tm_T> hw__: well, isn't it just one CPU ?
[16:26] <hw__> Tm_T: Ok, it is just one cpu but it two cores... =)
[16:26] <hw__> +has
[16:26] <mefisto__> hw__: what does   sudo lshw -C processor    show you?
[16:26] <Tm_T> or 1 core imitating 2 cores? I don't remember how that k7 stuff went
[16:30] <hw__> mefisto__: http://attachr.com/11758
[16:31] <hw__> mefisto__: Looks like the second core is there somehow. On my HT P3 it shows two CPUs. I thought cores are better then HT =)
[16:37] <draik_> There seems to be an issue with my xorg configuration and that is what is causing my computer to freeze
[16:37] <draik_> Is there a way that I can actually see what would be the cause of it?
[16:39] <draik_> Actually, the file seems cut off. Fewer content than to what I recall.
[16:40] <mefisto__> draik_: you could look for errors in logs
[16:41] <mefisto__> draik_: what is "cut off"? xorg.conf ?
[16:41] <draik_> How do I pastebin xorg.conf via CLI?
[16:41] <mefisto__> draik_: you could install pastebinit
[16:42] <draik_> I know that I append  ' | pastebinit -' but I don't know how to call it up first.
[16:42] <draik_> Nevermind, cat, right?
[16:42] <draik_> cat xorg.conf | pastebinit -
[16:42] <draik_> Is that right?
[16:43] <draik_> Yep
[16:43] <mefisto__> pastebinit -i filename
[16:43] <draik_> mefisto__: http://pastebin.com/f6e1f4e92
[16:46] <mefisto__> draik_: that looks normal to me. there isn't much in xorg.conf these days unless you edit it yourself
[16:47] <draik_> Oh
[16:47] <mefisto__> draik_: you could try googling your video card to see if you can find any options to add to xorg.conf that may help
[16:48] <draik_> !opengl
[16:49] <draik_> How do I enable OpenGL?
[16:52] <aotianlong> any one installed ati driver on ubuntu9.04 jaunty.
[16:54] <fosco_> aotianlong, you'd better ask in #ubuntu+1
[16:54] <aotianlong> fosco_: ok
[16:54] <ludo2612> hello
[16:56] <ludo2612> I have two screens, when I turn on the computer the two screens work but when kubuntu is loaded the second one turn off. Consequently, I tried to use KRandKTray but it only recognizes one screen
[16:56] <draik_> !icecast
[16:56] <draik_> !info icecast
[16:56] <aotianlong> ludo2612: i have the same problem
[16:57] <ludo2612> aotianlong, ok, maybe could somebody help us!
[17:05] <draik_> !glx
[17:05] <draik_> !video
[17:05] <draik_> !nvidia
[17:11] <draik_> So I fixed the freezing by reconfiguring my Xorg.conf, but I don't have OpenGL and my Internet connection still dies on my desktop.
[17:19] <draik_> I take it back. It just froze.
[17:27] <draik_> It seems that I have direct rendering with sudo, but not with a regular user.
[18:01] <draik_> I just installed a screensaver.
[18:01] <draik_> The .kss is in /usr/local/bin/kcometen4.kss
[18:02] <draik_> It is not on the screensaver list. What do I have to do to get it on the list?
[18:06] <draik_> Got it
[18:09] <AlbaT> hi ppl
[18:09] <AlbaT> 1 question again
[18:09] <AlbaT> :)
[18:10] <AlbaT> i have 2 pc's 1 is really old where i run ubuntu other is new one where i run win
[18:10] <AlbaT> this win pc has 2 ext3 file system hard drive how i can mount them to that old pc?
[18:13] <Angelbreath> anyone familiar with bluetooth in kubuntu 8.10?
[18:17] <serenity> hi
[18:18] <serenity> is there already a kubuntu 8.10 with kde 4.2 CD?
[18:18] <Tm_T> serenity: no
[18:18] <serenity> ok, thanks
[18:18] <fosco_> kde4.2 will be in jaunty
[18:18] <serenity> i know
[18:20] <AlbaT> can anyone pls give me some nice link how to map network drive whats is in localhost but in other pc but in linux partition thnks
[18:27] <sparr> how can I make kde listen to mouse buttons and the keyboard to keep the screensaver at bay, instead of just mouse movement?
[18:28] <chairman> does anyone know how i can configure my kmail so i can get my emails separate instead of 1 account
[18:29] <Tm_T> chairman: what you mean by separate? and what protocol you're using?
[18:31] <chairman> meaning when i set up my gmail accounts using kmail or thunderbird,all of my emails from the other 3 accounts comes into the inbox of my default
[18:31] <maco> sparr: it should by default
[18:31] <chairman> protocol meaning what POP or IMAP
[18:31] <sorset1> hi, im using static ip in my network for connectiong to internet , changed network interface and resolv.con for dns , but when i connect via pppoe connection , dns addresses change to my isp default , and after DC i see DNS that i entered!!
[18:34] <COm_BOY> listen
[18:34] <COm_BOY> My friend has got a windows machine
[18:34] <COm_BOY> and i have got Kubuntu
[18:34] <chairman> TmT are you there
[18:34] <COm_BOY> I want to remote desktop him......... we both are on internet
[18:35] <COm_BOY> how to do it , in windows i used TeamViewer
[18:35] <COm_BOY> but here TeamViewer is not working fine by WINE
[18:35] <COm_BOY> so i have to use someother application
[18:35] <sorset1> where can i ask my network questions? (which Channel)
[18:37] <LjL> sorset1: here or #ubuntu
[18:37] <LjL> sorset1: anyway it's because of network-manager most likely
[18:37] <LjL> sorset1: "network-manager" and/or "resolvconf" overwrite your /etc/resolv.conf settings
[18:37] <COm_BOY> Sorset join #cisco channel for network questions
[18:37] <LjL> sorset1: so if you want to manually set your DNS, you should do it in your network manager GUI if you have one
[18:37] <oscar__> español
[18:38] <LjL> !es | oscar__
[18:38] <oscar__> hola
[18:40] <sorset1> LjL: thx , but i how can i change dns manually , but my problem is after connecting primary DNS changes and after DC it will back!!
[18:41] <LjL> sorset1: you said you changed them via resolv.conf. that will NOT work.
[18:44] <sorset1> LjL: yes!
[18:44] <LjL> yes, what?
[18:45] <Dondavid> hi
[18:49] <Dondavid> ist einer da der sich mit themes auskennt ?
[18:49] <Pici> !de
[18:51] <Dondavid> i am sorry and thx 4 help
[18:52] <chairman> i need help someboddy
[18:52] <thiagofcf> somebodylove kkk
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> ask away chairman
[18:54] <thiagofcf> pt-BR?
[18:54] <thiagofcf> Brazillian?
[18:54] <dreamer> hi all, I'm having trouble installing desktop effects: when I click the button nothing happens, then I ran this from the terminal: "install-package --install compiz-kde compiz-fusion plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra" and I got "SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[18:55] <dreamer> or can I just circumvent 'install-package' and use apt-get install instead?
[18:55] <LjL> can anyone summarize the possibilities (if more than one) for getting a global menubar in KDE 4?
[18:56] <LjL> dreamer: i didn't even know install-package existed
[18:56] <LjL> dreamer: i definitely think you should use apt-get if you have broken packages, anyway
[18:57] <chairman> i had asked earlier is how can i configure my kmail to not have all of my other 2 Gmail accounts mail to not got into my default
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> install-package is mainly meant to replace adept-batch that went away in Adept 3.0
[18:57] <dreamer> it's in the menu when you run 'desktop effects'
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> mostly only applications use it
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> LjL: I know about plasmoid-xbar
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> but I haven't really looked for more solutions
[18:57] <dreamer> basically when clicking on install desktop effects it runs install-package
[18:57] <dreamer> hmm, ok, diner time :)
[18:57] <LjL> JontheEchidna: that's the one that can only be used with a specific theme, isn't it?
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> It might be
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> bespin
[18:58] <LjL> yeah
[18:59] <josh-l> hi folks should Opera be in the multiver, or universe repos?
[18:59] <drbobb> aaghhh i'm getting a machine check exception panic on my desktop workstation
[19:00] <J_A_X> okay, someone need to help me remove these freaking kde widget style from firefox
[19:00] <chairman> hello
[19:00] <josh-l> anyone opera?
[19:00] <J_A_X> it's ugly as fuck and ruining how I operate
[19:00] <chairman> yes i opera
[19:01] <J_A_X> anyone  know how to disable the kde widgets from being within firefox
[19:01] <Pici> J_A_X, Please watch your language in this channel, thank you.
[19:01] <AlbaT> can anyone pls give me some nice link how to map network drive whats is in localhost but in other pc but in linux partition thnks
[19:06] <chairman> i need help on kmail please
[19:08] <josh-l> anyone have opera installed via a repository? I cant seem to add it... using either ubuntu repos or deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable nonfree
[19:08] <ActionParsnip> !opera | josh-l
[19:09] <ActionParsnip> josh-l: use  deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
[19:09] <josh-l> ActionParsnip: already tried that or i wouldnt ask in here... thx though
[19:10] <josh-l> ActionParsnip: i meant that... typo
[19:10] <josh-l> here
[19:10] <josh-l> ... anyways
[19:10] <josh-l> I found it
[19:10] <josh-l> but only using apt-get from command line...
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> josh-l: works flawlessly here, did you sudo apt-get update after adding the repo?
[19:10] <josh-l> why isnt it finding it in adept...
[19:10] <josh-l> yes I did ActionParsnip
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> josh-l: i only use command line so i couldnt comment
[19:10] <josh-l> like I said
[19:10] <josh-l> ok
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> gui apps are sloooooow
[19:11] <josh-l> i hate adept it rarely works perfectly
[19:11] <josh-l> ActionParsnip: yeah but why have them if i'm not going to use them
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> josh-l: i pull them off
[19:12] <chairman> action i need your help
[19:13] <ActionParsnip> chairman: wassup dude
[19:14] <chairman> i need to set up my kmail. or thunderbird. i don't want all of 3 of email accounts to be mixed in w/1
[19:14] <chairman> the default
[19:14] <J_A_X> anyone know how to remove the KDE 4.2 widget style in firefox.  I just want the default... the KDE styling is horrible
[19:15] <chairman> i had asked this to everyone on the board more than once
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> chairman: so you have used kmail and thunderbird and want to bring them together?
[19:17] <chairman> no no. see the last time i used one of them and configured my gmail accounts all of the messages went into the default account. u know 1 for business 1 for personal,etc
[19:17] <cdavis_> When I right click and want to create new open office docs are not listed. Anyone know how to do that?
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> chairman: ok. can you describe the end result, like what client has what account etc
[19:19] <chairman> kmail and gmail
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> chairman: http://www.debianadmin.com/configure-gmail-in-evolution-thunderbird-or-kmail.html
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> chairman: does that help?
[19:23] <drostie> :-( wireless still broken.
[19:23] <chairman> my default gmail account i want all of the messages to go there. the others to their account
[19:23] <chairman> i'll try it.
[19:24] <capeomar> having issues when printing.  If I hit print, it works and if I tell the printer which pages, it is OK, but as soon as I change any of the settings, it gives me a "fatal error", it closes the print Window and it does not print anything.
[19:24] <capeomar> For example, if I change the margin settings, it creates that fatal crash
[19:25] <capeomar> ideas
[19:25] <drostie> Print to PDF and then try printing with Okular instead? :-P
[19:42] <dreamer> !compiz
[19:44] <dreamer> hmm, I'm getting unmet dependencies on libplasma2:  Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid3.1) but 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu7~intrepid1 is to be installed
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> dreamer: It got bumped to libplasma3 in KDE 4.2
[19:47] <dreamer> so eh, I can't install compiz because if it
[19:48] <dreamer> oh .. hmm, it's alreacy installed?? weird
[19:52] <ActionParsnip> dreamer: you need to satisfy the dependancy
[19:52] <dreamer> it doesn't even work
[19:52] <dreamer> ActionParsnip: I can't
[19:52] <dreamer> that's the problem
[19:55] <pisnaz> Heya all.
[19:56]  * pisnaz listens to the crickets chirp......
[19:57] <ActionParsnip> dreamer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid-backports/kdebase-workspace-data
[19:57] <ibuffy> dependency issues again: http://dpaste.com/5401/
[19:57] <ibuffy> i am afk for a bit, but i will check the logs for responses
[19:57] <pisnaz> eek not kdevelop again ibuffy?
[19:58] <capeomar> thanks, does not make a difference
[19:58] <ActionParsnip> dreamer: http://ftp.kfki.hu/linux/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-data_4.2.0-0ubuntu7~intrepid1_all.deb
[19:58] <ibuffy> pisnaz: heh, no
[19:58] <dreamer> thats not the package I need ActionParsnip
[19:58] <ibuffy> wanting my notes plasmoid back
[19:58] <ibuffy> missing it
[19:59] <dreamer> libplasma2 depends on 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid3.1
[19:59] <ActionParsnip> yeah plasma needs 4.1 and i gave you 4.2
[19:59] <pisnaz> ibuffy: lol, so kde4 see,s borked...didi you try installing the kubuntu-desktop  (think that is right)
[19:59] <ibuffy> doing that now
[19:59] <pisnaz> whoops Action
[20:00] <dreamer> ActionParsnip: in what way will this resolve my issue? plasma will still want 4.1, so I still can't install it
[20:00] <ActionParsnip> dreamer: what version do you have installed?
[20:00] <dreamer> I'm not going to suse that 3rd party .deb anyway
[20:01] <dreamer> how can I see that?
[20:01] <ActionParsnip> dreamer: dpkg -l | grep kdebase-workspace-data
[20:01] <pisnaz> let me verify the package name
[20:01] <dreamer> 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu7~intrepid1
[20:01] <dreamer> so it's already installed ;)
[20:01] <ActionParsnip> dreamer: indeed
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> dreamer: you could force install the package
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> dreamer: it might cause issues
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> dreamer: not sure
[20:02] <dreamer> and libplasma2 doesn't like that .. ah well, compiz isn't on my priorities for this pc .. just wanted to show my housemates linux rocks ;) (this is the livingroo, pc)
[20:03] <pisnaz> lol dreamer I did that with my main laptop
[20:03] <dreamer> ActionParsnip: yeah, I'd rather not do things on ubuntu systems that are not regular .. becaus I know it always breaks on ubuntu
[20:03] <ibuffy>   kdeplasma-addons: Conflicts: kdeplasmoids but 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 is to be installed
[20:03] <ibuffy>   kdeplasmoids-libs4: Depends: kdeplasma-addons-libs4 but it is not going to be installed
[20:03] <ibuffy> E: Broken packages
[20:03] <ibuffy> after installing kubuntu-desktop ^
[20:03] <pisnaz> and my living room pc :P
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> dreamer: i follow that rule, unless its essential
[20:03] <ibuffy> okay... now i really am afk
[20:03] <ibuffy> bbl
[20:03] <ibuffy> will check logs
[20:03] <pisnaz> kk ibuffy
[20:03] <dreamer> on other systems I mess around, but in ubuntu everything always breaks if you mess around :/
[20:03] <dreamer> so, later
[20:04] <pisnaz> have yet to break stuff, though I try dagnabit... :P
[20:06] <AlexZion> Hi guy , I need a suggestion about the best way to manage TV usb card in Kubuntu ....,which software is the most complete for that ?
[20:07] <ActionParsnip> yay pidgin 2.5.5
[20:08] <pisnaz> ibuffy: uded -f and also try with kdm stopped?  maybe remove kubuntu-desktop and try a full install fresh?  Odd sudo apt-cache depends kdeplasma-addons-libs4 shows a conflict but..
[20:08] <pisnaz> looking to just view channels and such alex?
[20:08] <AlexZion> yeah , I have already installed driver and stuff...
[20:09] <pisnaz> try tvtime?
[20:09] <AlexZion> but I got a problem just with the audio , which works just in DVB
[20:09] <AlexZion> I already have it .....
[20:09] <pisnaz> ohh some you have to hook the audio out to the line in, a quirk atm
[20:09] <AlexZion> but isn't so comfortable to use ....
[20:10] <AlexZion> and I can't set nearly nothing about audio ....
[20:10] <pisnaz> not sure the usb ones have that o/p
[20:11] <pisnaz> checked the v4l site for that tuner?
[20:11] <pisnaz> they just moved the wiki so a bit of a mess still..
[20:14] <harjot> how  do i load psp or ps2 games on my comp i already have the bioses
[20:15] <harjot> how  do i load psp or ps2 games on my comp i already have the bioses
[20:15] <harjot> anyone haeard?
[20:15] <harjot> of anything?
[20:16] <pisnaz> harjot: from my long alo playing with emulators you should either have a dir or be able to open them from the emulator menu
[20:16] <harjot> but wat emulator would i use?
[20:19] <pisnaz> harjot: err search psp or ps2 via adept?
[20:20] <Elone> lol wrong channel ?
[20:20] <BluesKaj> harjot , you could use virtualbox to run ps2 games ..it runs well on kubuntu
[20:20] <pisnaz> Elone: ok now you confuzzled me. lol
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> !info epsxe
[20:21] <BluesKaj> !playstation
[20:21] <pisnaz> there ya go I recall when mame or such was new so...
[20:21] <BluesKaj> !ps2
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> !info pcsx-bin
[20:22] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip , i'm not a gamer ..what OS does ps2 use ?
[20:23] <pisnaz> ps2, if memory serves me right is a *nix based.  Though I may be totally wrong.
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: it uses its own OS
[20:25]  * linux Just testing :)
[20:26] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip , proprietary eh,  that figures ... sony,  typically self serving
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: indeed *koff(sonymemorystickduo*koff*
[20:27] <pisnaz> rofl!!  Sony propietary?  Who'd of thunk it?
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> shame though cos it works ok, just costs twice the price
[20:27] <pisnaz> ActionParsnip, BluesKaj: *koff*Beta*koff*
[20:28] <BluesKaj> hehe
[20:28] <J_A_X> how do I remove the kde widgets within firefox?
[20:29] <J_A_X> I just want the default ones
[20:29] <pisnaz> errr kde widgets in firefox?
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> didnt know that existed
[20:30] <pisnaz> ok not just me then, Jax bestclarify what you mean
[20:31] <J_A_X> the KDE 4.2 oxygen widget, the ones that you can specify under the appearance control panel. they're taking over the textfield, combobox, radiobuttons, etc in firefox
[20:31] <J_A_X> and it looks freaking ugly
[20:31] <pisnaz> hech I"d be pleased to find a theme for ff that would match oxygen and did not have glaring evilness for buttons etc
[20:33] <J_A_X> no you wouldn't
[20:33] <J_A_X> it look ugly
[20:33] <pisnaz> lol
[20:33] <pisnaz> ok think I found where you mean
[20:33] <ActionParsnip> J_A_X: i use the aero style one
[20:33] <J_A_X> for instance, i have a white bg website with a textfield, which is dark grey, but the area around it isn't transparent, it's grey as well
[20:33] <J_A_X> it's horrible
[20:34] <pisnaz> how does ff look atm grey fugly as hell and small close, max etc?
[20:35] <harjot> but wat emulator would i use?
[20:35] <drostie> pisnaz: there's a kde theme for firefox.
[20:35] <pisnaz> yeah sounds like my ff atm,
[20:35] <harjot> i have hardy
[20:35] <harjot> how  do i load psp or ps2 games on my comp i already have the bioses
[20:35] <pisnaz> drostie: oh? know the name offhand or it it just kde..?
[20:35] <drostie> The form controls are still pretty bad afterwards, but it makes kubuntu+firefox useable.
[20:35] <harjot> guys
[20:36] <pisnaz> yeah form controls were killing me after i got a nice dark theme.
[20:36] <drostie> lemme look it up.
[20:36] <J_A_X> yeah, is there a way to disable the kde form controls in firefox?
[20:37] <J_A_X> or choose a different one or something?
[20:37] <J_A_X> cause this is ridiculous
[20:38] <pisnaz> not sure it would not be global jax
[20:38] <drostie> pisnaz: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7574
[20:38] <J_A_X> http://imagebin.ca/view/5bFYib5.html
[20:38] <pisnaz> drostie: tks
[20:39] <drostie> J_A_X: there used to be a way to edit some style sheets in the firefox rel directory and eliminate those ugly gray boxes. But I couldn't find the directory last time I checked.
[20:39] <J_A_X> drostie: that's only a theme, it doesn't do the widgets
[20:39] <pisnaz> yeah that id the exact same as I have on my dark theme jax
[20:40] <pisnaz> checked in about:config?
[20:40] <drostie> I know. That's what I'm saying: is there used to be a different thing you had to do to change the form control widgets.
[20:40] <J_A_X> used to be?
[20:41] <drostie> pisnaz: I actually did a find over the whole directory root with a rather broad regular expression looking for css etc. I couldn't find anything that looked right though.
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> J_A_X: does it still happen if you rename ~/.mozilla?
[20:41] <drostie> s/directory root/root directory/
[20:41] <J_A_X> ActionParsnip: yup
[20:42] <J_A_X> it's on by default
[20:42] <pisnaz> yeah I grabbed a few dark themes for my lappy I may have to break out the gimp and a few howto's here soon
[20:43] <pisnaz> seems odd the default iface for 4.1 is dark and glossy but everything window has this dark fugly look lol
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> J_A_X: bah, ok
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> J_A_X: its one of th reasons i dont use kwin, its too busy worrying about what i'm doing rather than getting on with business
[20:47] <mefisto__> J_A_X: what do you have in systemsettings>appearance>GTK styles and fonts ?      (haven't been following the conversation, so sorry if you've tried that already)
[20:48] <J_A_X> 'use my kde style in gtk apps', 'use my kde fonts in gtk apps'
[20:48] <J_A_X> pretty sure i tried disabling both already
[20:49] <mefisto__> J_A_X: try changing style to raleigh, then restart firefox and see what that looks like
[20:49] <J_A_X> gotcha
[20:50] <J_A_X> huh, that worked..
[20:51] <J_A_X> some of the things looks like crap, but I can change that using stylish
[20:52] <mefisto__> J_A_X: qtcurve looks pretty good on my firefox, if you have that installed
[20:52] <pisnaz> hrrmm
[20:52] <J_A_X> how do I install that? it is in apt?
[20:53] <mefisto__> gtk2-engines-qtcurve (I think)
[20:53] <J_A_X> neat
[20:53] <J_A_X> thanks dude :)
[20:56] <pisnaz> cool
[20:56] <pisnaz> was searching sites for info
[20:57] <pisnaz> not much else beyond what was done save for change style helps make google etc look better supposedly
[20:57] <amgarchIn9> if I untar the root filesystem from a backup on an empty disk how do I fix the grub to boot the new image?
[20:57] <amgarchIn9> is there a "ubuntu-way" for doing that? /sbin/update-grub?
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> !grub | amgarchIn
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> amgarchIn9: install grub with the guide then it will read the menu.list in the image
[21:01] <chairman> s anyne havng problems w/their keyboard/
[21:01] <pisnaz> wb drostie
[21:01] <pisnaz> just how it reacts to my fingers chairman :P
[21:03] <mefisto__> chairman: what's the problem?
[21:04] <chairman> well now when i press shift-2 to get the symbol for a email address nothing happens not even on the klavier kkvd
[21:04] <amgarchIn9> chairman: по, шну?
[21:05] <J_A_X> mefisto__: I love you dude, qtcurve is perfect :D
[21:06] <chairman> i don't know . i switched to Vista for a sec to see the virtual keyboard works on there and it's does.but when i rebooted back here to do it nothing happens
[21:06] <pisnaz> lol, i may have to try it also now ..
[21:07] <J_A_X> is there a way to change some of the colors though?
[21:07] <pisnaz> hrrmm so you can get @ in vista but not in nix?
[21:07] <chairman> help somebody
[21:09] <pisnaz> no chance you specified shift+2 as a hotkey or such eh?
[21:09] <pisnaz> chairman: can you get any of the shift characters? or only a problem with @
[21:10] <chairman> i can't get none esp. that one
[21:10] <mefisto__> any keys stuck? eg ctrl, alt, win key, etc?
[21:10] <amgarchIn9> chairman: post shift-(whole row) here
[21:11] <chairman> press shift
[21:11] <pisnaz> spill anything on it?
[21:11] <chairman> no i didn't
[21:11] <amgarchIn9> chairman: °!"§$%&/()=?`like this
[21:12] <chairman> =//////...,i can't get it
[21:12]  * mefisto__ notices that ctrl-shift-2 does nothing
[21:12] <pisnaz> ok how on earth are you getting those amagarchln9 :P  tilde should be pre ! not the degree symbol :P
[21:13] <amgarchIn9> pisnaz: this is DE layout
[21:13] <pisnaz> amgarchIn9: ahah I figured as much handy spot for degree i must say :P
[21:14] <pisnaz> is the a input locale or layout that has no shift row above the #'s?
[21:14] <chairman> what about ctrl-shift-2 to getthe symbol
[21:15] <pisnaz> chairman did you attempt to try using both shifts or just one of em ?
[21:15] <pisnaz> not at the same time but lshift 1 and r shift 1?
[21:15] <chairman> p i did ctrl/shift/then 2 and it came up
[21:15] <pisnaz> err..
[21:16] <mefisto__> chairman: maybe your ctrl key was just sticking then?
[21:16] <chairman> maybe but i'll use this combo in the meantime
[21:17] <pisnaz> the ctrl keys are devilish sneaky buggers:P
[21:17] <amgarchIn9> chairman: xmodmap | grep shift
[21:18] <mefisto__> or maybe sticky keys is activated? chairman, look in systemsettings > accessibility, modifier keys tab
[21:19] <pisnaz> ohhh mefisto may of hit it on the head, mine is disabled
[21:27] <chairman> mefisto i deactivatd it
[21:30] <mefisto__> chairman: so did it make any difference?
[21:39] <XPS_M1330> I was using extensively the TomBoy panel applet in GNOME, and I'm switching to KDE. Is there a way to use that applet in KDE? The Plasma Notes widget isn't as good because it doesn't have organisational features. Or do you know of a program I could use?
[21:39] <heinkel_111> which is the number for the evil nvidia driver 180.xx ??
[21:41] <mefisto__> XPS_M1330: knotes, or basket notes
[21:41] <XPS_M1330> merci mefisto__
[21:41] <stdin> XPS_M1330: TomBoy will probably work in KDE too
[21:42] <XPS_M1330> stdin: can I integrate it to a plasma panel?
[21:42] <pisnaz> thought knotes was also a plasma panel  let me look
[21:44] <stdin> XPS_M1330: it'll probably load into the system tray
[21:44] <pisnaz> nope I was mistaken
[21:45] <XPS_M1330> stdin: that's correct! I should have tryed that in the first place.
[21:48] <yoritomo> hello everybody
[21:48] <pisnaz> heya yoritomo
[21:49] <yoritomo> i have a problem with webmail add-on for thunderbird, even the firewall disabled and port forwarded on the router, still no connection on port 25 and 110 :s
[21:51] <vbgunz> anybody know how I can get konsole 4.1.4 ? preferably a deb packaged for AMD 64?
[21:51] <pisnaz> may have to watch as some isp's modems nowadays have inbuild port blocking.  I had this issue when I let the modem handle my pppoe connection.
[21:53] <yoritomo> it is a cable modem but logically does not containing any firewall, but the rooter i configured
[21:53] <pisnaz> hrrmm odd, went to grab a cigar and out came a usb stick lol
[21:53] <pisnaz> hrrmm can you access it when trying from behind the router?
[21:54] <yoritomo> i forwarded the portsd
[21:56] <pisnaz> but with more info we can target where the issue is, it may still be thr router, the systems iptables, the config, the connecting machine even..
[21:59] <yoritomo> tell me more
[22:00] <yoritomo> firestarter is disabled and ufw too
[22:01] <pisnaz> can you access it on the localhost?
[22:03] <yoritomo> no connection to localhost
[22:03] <pisnaz> are you using the : [port] ?
[22:04] <ibert> hi. Does anyone know a rep for feisty which still exists?
[22:05] <r_> kubuntu alpha rocks!
[22:05] <yoritomo> which port ?
[22:06] <pisnaz> yoritomo: http://webmail.mozdev.org/webmail.html
[22:06] <marcos_> que hay de nuevo
[22:07] <parsifal> holas
[22:08] <marcos_> alguien de honduras
[22:08] <yoritomo> i were on that site
[22:09] <drostie> !es | marcos_
[22:09] <drostie> I have no clue whether honduras is spanish or portuguese though. --_--;;
[22:10] <pisnaz> spanish i think
[22:10] <drostie> Wikipedia says spanish! I win. ^_^
[22:10] <pisnaz> rofl i looked there also
[22:11] <pisnaz> yoritomo: look at the last q in the faq that may help
[22:11] <pisnaz> what email system are you trying to access?
[22:12] <marcos_> Oki
[22:13] <pisnaz> son of a ...a $16,000 pc??
[22:14] <chris-rc1> hi
[22:14] <pisnaz> heya chris
[22:15] <chris-rc1> i am trying to run kaffeine (which worked until yesterday), but now i get an error message that says "cannot find xine_part in search path". it is installed though
[22:27] <pisnaz> chris-rc1: found a old post that says restarting X solved it but it is pretty old so you would think is a non issue...still looking
[22:29] <chris-rc1> pisnaz: found it, too :-) yes, it didn't work... seems to be this way since the last kdelibs update (though i'm on kde 4)
[22:31] <pisnaz> chris-rc1: there is something about having kde3.x and 4 installed toogether that may cause an issue let me look through it again,
[22:32] <pisnaz> chris-rc1: was this an upgrade or a fresh install of 8.10?
[22:34] <chris-rc1> fresh install with the kde3 sources from ppa enabled. i have now installed 0.8.x from the backports repo
[22:38] <pisnaz> sry on phone few min..
[22:40] <ForgeAus> hey all can grub be made dynamic, so that if I have 2HDD's It can work from both, instead of just one?
[22:41] <ForgeAus> (right now it works from the one I don't need it to so much, but I don't really wanna mess that up, I'd rather keep that, and fix it so it works in the main one as well instead of breaking the one I have working to get the other one working too)
[22:48] <mefisto__> what do you mean dynamic? how is 2 disks dynamic?
[22:49] <ForgeAus> mefisto, at the moment its giving me error17 on my "main" drive but I can select in the bios to press F8 or something when I boot to switch to boot from the other HDD, and it works from there normally...
[22:49] <ForgeAus> what I don't want is to break it on the other HDD to fix it on my "main" drive...
[22:50] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: oh, I think I understand. you have grub installed on 1 mbr, but you want it on both disks?
[22:51] <ForgeAus> uh, not sure...
[22:51] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: do you get a grub menu with both disks?
[22:51] <ForgeAus> I want it to work from both disks I think the mbr for the "main" is actually ntldr (but I chainboot that to grub)
[22:51] <ForgeAus> mefisto, no only the "secondary" drive
[22:52] <ForgeAus> when I boot grub from ntldr it gives me error 17... but when I boot from the second disk I get a grub menu it functions correctly
[22:53] <Righey> hai
[22:53] <Righey> bai
[22:53] <ForgeAus> (the hard part is they're both the same drive code (being both the same types of disk same size, etc from same manufacturer, I guess their UUID?? or whatever ID it is would be different but I wouldn't be able to tell which one is wich just from that anyway
[22:54] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: ok, sounds like you want grub on mbr of both disks. and also edit menu.lst (on both disks) so it can work when both disks are connected, or just one is connected
[22:54] <ForgeAus> can't have that mefisto...
[22:54] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: why not?
[22:54] <ForgeAus> I only want one menu.lst... I only have one ext3 partition
[22:54] <ForgeAus> (oh and a swap but thats not ext3 is it?)
[22:55] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: you've lost me. if you have grub on one disk, but disconnect the other disk (ntfs?) then nothing boots?
[22:55] <ForgeAus> the weird part is the ext3 partition is on the "main" disk so I would have thought it would have been easier for it to pick up that way...
[22:56] <Noize> hello. i've got some problems with decompiling java with javap. Everytime i try to decompille the file, i get the error, that the file file.class was not found. Can anybody help me?
[22:57] <ForgeAus> no no disks disconnected, both disks have a bootable mbr, the secondary disk is grub and that functions, the main drive has around 3 partitions, NTFS EXT3 and a swap, (possibly an hfs+ one as well)... anyway, Kubuntu is on the EXT3 there... however the MBR is ntldr, to use grub from there I have it in my boot menu and it executes the fille grubldr which is a copy of a grub bootsector
[22:58] <ForgeAus> (I used if dd= etc to copy it)
[22:59] <ForgeAus> it works as in it loads the grldr fine but I get an error17 (assumedly the place its looking for the menu.lst isn't where it should be?)
[22:59] <dante__> Hello , i have a problem i install the grub editor and want to boot my second disk but i dont can edit the right ... (hd0,0) is my linux and for the Sata disk its show me that its (hd0,0) , too ...
[22:59] <ForgeAus> the problem is if I edit stuff like the device.map, etc doesn't that affect the secondary disk too?
[23:00] <ForgeAus> (or if I reinstall grub to the main disk - again - it will mess up the grub in the secondary one?)
[23:01] <ForgeAus> Noize uh interesting question, um are you sure you have the path to file.class correct?
[23:02] <ForgeAus> dante, yeah grub can be a little particuluar like that
[23:02] <ForgeAus> I'm having a similar issue myself
[23:02] <Noize> ForgeAus: i tried with absolute and relative path and both time the same error. Probably my Java_Systemvariable is wrong (to the classes) but i don't know how to set it
[23:03] <XPS_M1330> what's the "activity bar" widget?
[23:03] <ForgeAus> Noise try the env command ie, in a konsole window type env
[23:03] <ForgeAus> it will tell you what your class paths are if they have an environment variable ste
[23:03] <ForgeAus> grr set
[23:04] <ForgeAus> if you need to change that you need a command something like export %variable% = "/newpath/" (where %variable& is likely to be something like CLASSPATH)
[23:05] <ForgeAus> anyway just have a look with the env command to see what environment variables are set and which one may refer to your hava class paths
[23:05] <ForgeAus> *hava=java
[23:06] <ForgeAus> oh note: I recommend if you can set multiple class paths to append rather than replace it, or return the class path to what it was before you modified it once your done...
[23:06] <ForgeAus> XPS can't help you there I havn't come across it yet
[23:07] <Noize> ForgeAsus: http://pastebin.com/m193d96a3
[23:07] <Noize> ForgeAus: http://pastebin.com/m193d96a3
[23:07] <XPS_M1330> aarg fatal error
[23:07] <ForgeAus> XPS sounds like fun .. (not)
[23:07] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: ok, let's see if I understand now. disk 2 has grub on its mbr, which boots linux on disk 1. and disk 1 mbr boots windows if you set bios to boot disk 1 instead of disk 2?
[23:08] <Noize> ForgeAus: am i right, or isn't there any java path?
[23:08] <ForgeAus> mefisto yes but theres more to it than that...
[23:09] <ForgeAus> Noize according to your paste I can't find anything that relates to java or classes in there, so I'm sorry I can't help you, perhaps its because there isn't one set to begin with that it doesn't know where to look? or maybe it doesn't store it as an env variable?... sorry...
[23:10] <Noize> ForgeAus: thanks anyway
[23:10] <ForgeAus> Noize if theres a #Java they might be able to help you more
[23:10] <ForgeAus> doh, missed him
[23:12] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: why not use grub to boot everything?
[23:12] <ForgeAus> mefisto your right you didn't say anything incorrect there was just something relatively significant that you missed in that the windows boot can pass through to grldr (same as how grub chainloads)
[23:12] <XPS_M1330> which CPU governor is more powersaving: powersave or ondemand(conservative)
[23:13] <XPS_M1330> I mean dynamic conservative
[23:13] <ForgeAus> mefisto, it doesn't matter, even if I had grub directly in the mbr I'd still get error 17... the grldr file works, it just doesn't give me the boot menu because I get error 17 (and if I did reinstall grub to that disk it messes up my disk2 grub)
[23:13] <ForgeAus> (ie seems like I can only have one or the other, not both)
[23:18] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: ok, so what causes the error 17?
[23:18] <ForgeAus> I don't know I think error17 is file not found or partition not found, one of those... i'd have to check to be certain
[23:19] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: I mean under what circumstances do you get that? always?
[23:19] <ForgeAus> my guess is the device.map or something else in grub setup itself is sending it to the wrong drive...
[23:19] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: yes, error 17 is partition not found
[23:19] <ForgeAus> I only get error17 from drive 1
[23:19] <ForgeAus> how does it know where to look for the partition?
[23:20] <ForgeAus> (its probably just an hd0 vs hd1 thing, but if I change that it changes for both)
[23:21] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: mine has this: root  (hd0,3) and that line tells it where the root / partition is (1st disk, 4th partition)
[23:21] <diamantes4> sera
[23:22] <ForgeAus> ahh so grubroot... I get it, that would be an error then
[23:22] <hpladds> Dolphin is in full-screen mode (no windows decoration) -- how do I reset this feature?
[23:22] <AlexZion> I had the sameproblem few days ago....
[23:23] <stdin> hpladds: Alt-F3 -> Advance -> Full Screen
[23:23] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: "but if I change that it changes for both" both? what do you mean?
[23:23] <ForgeAus> (yeah mines disk1 which is not the 0th disk but 1,2 - second partition... to fix error 17 I'd need it to be 0,2 but then it wouldn't work from the secondary drive)
[23:23] <diamantes4> qlc ke parla italiano per una info ??
[23:24] <AlexZion> io , ma il canale italiano è #ubuntu-it
[23:24] <diamantes4> grazie alex ;)
[23:24] <AlexZion> di niente
[23:24] <diamantes4> senti forse mi potresti aiutare ?
[23:24] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: you could make more menu entries in menu.lst to get around this problem
[23:24] <AlexZion> vai sull'altro canale per favore , o ci cacciano .....
[23:24] <ForgeAus> mefisto, possibly but if there are ones to do it, I don't know them...
[23:24] <diamantes4> capito
[23:25] <diamantes4> tnx..by ;)
[23:25] <diamantes4> sera
[23:26] <hpladds> stdin: My alt + F3 does not work. Any alternative?
[23:26] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: what I mean is make duplicates of each entry in menu.lst, one set pointing at (hd0,2) and the other (hd1,2) so you can just choose a different one from the list, depending on what you need
[23:26] <stdin> hpladds: do any windows have borders?
[23:27] <hpladds> stdin: all others
[23:28] <AlexZion> right click on the system bar of dolphin , advanced /full screen
[23:30] <ForgeAus> mefisto, how can I?
[23:30] <ForgeAus> like I said I only have one ext3 partition...
[23:30] <ForgeAus> I don't have a separate kubuntu for each grldr...
[23:31] <ForgeAus> therein lies the problem it seems
[23:31] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: and only one menu.lst right?
[23:31] <ForgeAus> yes
[23:31] <ForgeAus> as in: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:32] <hpladds> AlexZion: "the system" bar? I have to admit I don't know what that is.
[23:32] <ForgeAus> I think I'll ask in #grub see if they know
[23:32] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: so edit menu.list, adding extra menu items to cater to whatever circumstances make you get error 17 (I'm still not sure how you get the error)
[23:33] <NotWired> how can i change the default application that plays my video files? right now it's vlc
[23:33] <AlexZion> sorry maye ,probably I mistake few words like a real Italian ..:D
[23:33] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: if I've completely misunderstood the problem, I'm sorry I've wasted your time
[23:33] <ForgeAus> mefisto, I don't get the menu to select them from
[23:33] <AlexZion> beside you try icon, on the kde applet panel ....
[23:33] <ForgeAus> and no you havn't misunderstood the problem... I think its the grubroot that is the issue, you helped me there at least :)
[23:34] <AlexZion> if you can't see the kde menu bar , try with "ALT+TAB" to switch between windows .....
[23:35] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: do you see the grub message saying "press esc to choose ... (something or other, can't remember) ?
[23:35] <jamesjedimaster> NotWired: System Settings -> File Associations
[23:35] <NotWired> ahh, okay... thank you jamesjedimaster
[23:35] <ForgeAus> mefisto from the first disk thats correct it doesn't reach that because I get an error 17 before it gets that far
[23:36] <ForgeAus> seems like partition references in grub must be absolute, it would be nice if you could make them relative somehow
[23:36] <ForgeAus> oops wrong button lol
[23:38] <ForgeAus> I think your right tho if you could somehow make an alternative grubroot, you'd need copy of each menu entry... because like I said has to be absolute references to the partitions
[23:39] <ForgeAus> :( ... not good
[23:40] <ForgeAus> also is there some quicker/easier way of cleaning up kernels you don't need after an uppgrade?
[23:41] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: uninstall them
[23:41] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: if they're uninstalled but still in menu.lst, sudo update-grub
[23:42] <ForgeAus> kewl sofar I've got 2.6.20-15, 2.6.24-21, 2.6.24-23 and 2.6.24-24 more than I need, not that I mind having one older one to fall back on
[23:43] <harolddong> when can we expect qt 4.5 packages?
[23:43] <ForgeAus> (like I needed for an upgrade I think it was feisty -> gutsy has a problem with the locales package during a dist-upgrade but you can use a diff kernel to fix that)
[23:43] <stdin> harolddong: jaunty
[23:45] <ForgeAus> kewl I'm removing the 21 and 23 ones...
[23:46] <ForgeAus> omg that saves 382MB!...
[23:47] <Dr_willis> Hmm..
[23:47] <Dr_willis> seems odd that 2 kernels would be almost 400mb
[23:47] <ForgeAus> I agree, thats whats worrrying me!
[23:48] <ForgeAus> says installation: -382M in adept
[23:48] <Dr_willis> I never use adept
[23:48] <Dr_willis> the kernel files here on this system are only about 9mb total
[23:48] <Dr_willis> thats for 1 kernel
[23:49] <ForgeAus> maybe I had the header too or something?...
[23:49] <stdin> the modules can be around 80-90MB
[23:50] <stdin> with the restricted-modules
[23:50] <ForgeAus> well all gone now whatever the case...
[23:51] <ForgeAus> I think I'll do another dist-upgrade sometime soon still running hardy here...
[23:52] <ForgeAus> how is KDE4 coming along?...
[23:53] <tweakedeh_> Program that reads cookies?
[23:57] <mefisto__> ForgeAus: I don't know about grldr. I'm guessing it's grub for windows systems? does it use a menu.lst file?
[23:58] <ForgeAus> yeah... well grldr is a file I self-made
[23:58] <ForgeAus> essentially its a file that stores a copy of the boot sector for grub... I just load that as a file instead of directly from the boot sector, thats all
[23:59] <ForgeAus> it works for my dad's pc fine
[23:59] <ForgeAus> and it seems to be loading the boot loader itself of grub, just not finding the partition thats all