[00:12] <Skiess1> my graphics stuff doesn't work right
[00:12] <Skiess1> on this laptop
[00:13] <Skiess1> *X-server settings
[00:14] <Skiess1> and the hardware tester doesn't seem to test anything anymore so, i guess I have to report it some other way
[02:45] <melik> hey guys im experiencing dpkg problems :/
[02:45] <melik> i tried sudo dpkg --configure -a, and it wont fix it, what can i do?
[02:47] <melik> http://omploader.org/vMWJqcA
[02:49] <dtchen_> check the standard bits - lo is up, FSes are mounted rw and exec, you have enough free space, etc.
[02:49] <dtchen_> also `dmesg`
[02:52] <melik> everything seems fine
[02:52] <melik> how do i check standard bits?
[03:06] <usser> oooh, synaptics driver update
[03:08] <melik> dtchen_, sorry to bother you; but can you help me out please :)
[03:09] <usser> where can i see changelog for all the updates?
[03:45] <maco> can someone on jaunty install miredo and try to connect to freenode over ipv6? dtchen can do it using jaunty's miredo on hardy, but using real jaunty, i cant
[03:48] <dtchen> maco: you could also use tshark to narrow the culprit space
[03:49] <maco> tshark? is that like wireshark, but text?
[03:55] <Slartibartfast> Just reading the release notes of Alpha5 ... it's mentioning about Xserver 1.6 ... how can i see if the xserver i am running is 1.6 ...
[03:56] <Slartibartfast> i only see version numbers like 7.4-5 .... how is this version numbering working with X
[03:57] <Slartibartfast> ?
[03:57] <dtchen_> Slartibartfast: look at xserver-xorg-core.
[03:58] <dtchen_> xserver-xorg-core | 2:1.5.99.902-0ubuntu7 |        jaunty | amd64, i386
[03:59] <Slartibartfast> aha .. ok ok :-) ..... here also 1.5.99.902 ... then thats still a pre-release of 1.6?
[04:00] <Slartibartfast> i mean ... in the release notes 1.6 is mentioned ... why then i am not rrunning 1.6 but 1.5.99.902
[04:06] <setuid> How can I set my CONFIG_HZ to 1000 without rebuilding the kernel?
[04:06] <setuid> It's 250 by default in Ubuntu kernels
[04:21]  * setuid tries unpacking /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.27.tar.bz2, copies /boot/config-2.6.27-12-generic into place, and rebuilds with make-kpkg
[04:25] <joaquinz> hi!
[04:26] <joaquinz> i've a lot of trouble with kubuntu 9.04 and my sound card soundblaster audigy (ca106)
[04:26] <joaquinz> it simply doesnt work
[04:26] <joaquinz> i mean, everything seams to be fine, but when i play sound with amarok, mp3blaster or another, it just doesnt play any sound
[04:26] <joaquinz> any ideas what it could be?
[04:29] <joaquinz> ?
[04:31] <freakabcd_> joaquinz, is this possibly related to the dreaded pulse-audio?
[04:31] <joaquinz> i got it :)
[04:31] <setuid> pulseaudio--
[04:31] <setuid> boo
[04:32] <joaquinz> but now you mentioned it, i think that pulseaudio is not working anyway
[04:32] <freakabcd_> i never understood pulseaudio. sure forwarding is nice and all; but only if it works painlessly like X11 forwarding
[04:33] <setuid> pulseaudio was a bad idea
[04:33] <setuid> An over-engineered solution to a non-existent problem
[04:34] <joaquinz> another trouble: no sond in youtube :(
[04:35] <setuid> you have to kill anything else using sound... sound isn't "shared" in Linux
[04:35] <freakabcd_> setuid, sure it is if you're using ALSA
[04:35] <freakabcd_> those were the old days of OSS when one process could block it
[04:36] <setuid> If I have YouTube loaded up in Firefox, not playing anything, and load Xine from the cli to play an mp3, it blocks.
[04:36] <freakabcd_> no it doesn't.
[04:36] <setuid> I'm using alsa, it doesn't work that way, never has.
[04:36] <freakabcd_> i can play youtube videos and use mplayer to play all my videos simultaneously
[04:36] <setuid> It absolutely does, I've shown this time and time again to dozens of people
[04:36] <freakabcd_> setuid, maybe you never checked what your xine is setup to do
[04:36] <crdlb> that would be dmix or a hardware mixer, wouldn't it?
[04:36] <setuid> Anything... xine, mplayer, amarok, ls > /dev/dsp, anything.
[04:37] <setuid> Sound is not, and has never been, "shared" on Linux... not that I've ever seen, and I've been doing this daily since about 1994.
[04:37] <freakabcd_> setuid, so you're saying you can play only a single track and *only* that one at any given time on your computer?
[04:37] <setuid> esdplay was close, but it's not perfect
[04:37] <setuid> freakabcd_, Correct
[04:38] <freakabcd_> get a better computer. i've been able to do this ever since alsa was merged
[04:38] <setuid> it's not just Ubuntu either, I'm not laying blame there... it's all distros
[04:38] <setuid> I've tried this on dozens of platforms; laptops, desktops, home-built machines, servers.
[04:38] <setuid> All stock, known, name-brand hardware
[04:38] <freakabcd_> seriously. i've tried it on desktops, laptops and name-brand machines.
[04:38] <freakabcd_> it works as i expected
[04:39] <crdlb> I believe ubuntu ships (or did so pre-pulse) alsa with dmix enabled
[04:39] <crdlb> so if you used all alsa apps, it'll mix
[04:39] <setuid> They you're doing something different...  because nobody can get it working. My LUG is full of people who have tried and failed over the last decade or so.
[04:40] <freakabcd_> ok, what do you think we are doing differently?
[04:40] <freakabcd_> just plain alsa. and all programs instructed to use alsa instead of oss.
[04:40] <freakabcd_> thats all i have ever done
[04:41] <freakabcd_> pulseaudio is going to be a PITA in JJ
[04:41] <freakabcd_> and even beyond (imho)
[04:42] <dtchen_> then help fix it.
[04:42] <setuid> dtchen_, Yep
[04:43] <dtchen_> at least that's what i'm doing, and i blog about it, and my work goes into jaunty.
[04:43] <dtchen_> what are you doing besides complaining?
[04:43] <dtchen_> joaquinz: mixer element toggle?
[04:43] <freakabcd_> dtchen_, thats all good. but some of us think this is a non-issue
[04:43] <setuid> dtchen_, Moi? I'm publishing patches, fixes, very detailed HOWTO documents, submitting bugs, following up on bugs, running the LUG, providing hands-on help and training, as well as maintaining my own OSS codebase (pilot-link)
[04:44] <dtchen_> freakabcd_: then keep thinking it's a non-issue, and you'll keep missing what pulseaudio actually *is doing*
[04:44] <dtchen_> no, i'm not referring to what its feature set is touted to be
[04:44] <freakabcd_> dtchen_, err.. I don;t have issues with pulseaudio.
[04:44] <joaquinz> dtchen: you want me to tell you wich elements are toggled and wich elements are not?
[04:45] <freakabcd_> we were talking about why he wasn;t able to get multiple streams playing with alsa
[04:45] <dtchen_> freakabcd_: i'm not calling *you* out
[04:45] <dtchen_> i'm referring to what pulseaudio has been able to do *to the rest of the audio stack*, i.e., exposing the brokenness
[04:45] <setuid> freakabcd_, I suppose when Firefox + Flash are involved, all 'alsa' bets are off, because THAT combination can't multiplex
[04:46] <setuid> i.e. Firefox + youtube playing video and xine or mplayer or anything else running at the same time
[04:46] <freakabcd_> i dunno why, but that has *always* worked for me
[04:46] <dtchen_> i've always said that if your audio *happens to have worked with straight ALSA*, be thankful, but don't think that ALSA isn't broken
[04:47] <setuid> Well, ALSA is worse code than OSS was, but the API and the interfaces are much cleaner.
[04:47] <setuid> But that's all commonly known anyway
[04:47] <dtchen_> "worse code" is a perspective
[04:47] <billybigrigger> dtchen_, how does a regular user go about fixing PA?
[04:47] <dtchen_> yes, arguably it is overengineered, but it follows a certain separation.
[04:48] <dtchen_> clearly some camps think that particular kernel/userspace separation is horrid
[04:48] <billybigrigger> dtchen_, i'll be the first to admit i sit here and complain about how much i hate PA but i don't know where to start helping to fix it
[04:49] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: there are two PPAs you need to be aware of for jaunty audio, mine and Luke's (themuso's)
[04:49] <billybigrigger> its hard for me to want to fix pulse when i know alsa has and always worked for me
[04:49] <billybigrigger> why fix something that isnt broke right?
[04:49] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: for jaunty, my changes are tested in that PPA before sending to Luke, who actually uploads them to Ubuntu
[04:49] <ali1234> all perceived problems that people see with pulseaudio happened exactly the same with esd and artsd before
[04:49] <setuid> Why does pulse even exist? What problem are they trying to solve here?
[04:50] <setuid> ali1234, Exactly my point... how many times do we have to reinvent this wheel, for this 3-wheeled car that has no roads ;)
[04:50] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: Luke's PPA has the _next_ version of Alsa-lib and PulseAudio - i.e., *not* what JJ will ship but still is useful for testing
[04:50] <ali1234> the cause is not PA, the cause is apps that don't use PA blocking it. same exact problem that we had with artsd 4 years ago
[04:50] <setuid> ...and esd prior to that
[04:50] <dtchen_> setuid: / ali1234: no, the problem is *much* deeper
[04:51] <dtchen_> it's not *just* this silly software multiplexing
[04:51] <dtchen_> it's the entire audio stack
[04:51] <dtchen_> in Linux 2.6's case, we have ALSA, as it's the blessed API
[04:51] <dtchen_> so the API has shortcomings
[04:52] <dtchen_> PulseAudio is the one "thing" to have exposed *massive* shortcomings in both OSS and ALSA
[04:52] <ali1234> yes i agree
[04:52] <setuid> They've been there before, but now people are just focused on it, because PA itself is a steaming pile of swill
[04:53] <dtchen_> for too long, people thought of "audio packet processing" is something based on the hardware's interrupt
[04:53] <dtchen_> s
[04:53] <dtchen_> as something*
[04:53] <dtchen_> i'm not here to argue whether it is or isn't a pile of poo
[04:53] <ali1234> no
[04:54] <dtchen_> you don't have to like it, but pulse *is* the way forward
[04:54] <ali1234> the problems were always there, but when it was esd vs artsd everyone was more focused on blaming the other side and so the underlying architecture was never fixed
[04:54] <dtchen_> personally, i'd rather never have to worry about audio again, but clearly that isn't happening
[04:54] <setuid> That can be said of most of the subsystems though... networking, usb, sound, etc.
[04:55] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: ...except ALSA "worked" for you, not worked for you.
[04:55] <setuid> There are big, huge glaring holes in all of them, I could drive my truck through
[04:55] <billybigrigger> dtchen_, it still works
[04:55] <billybigrigger> dtchen_, sound works in wine, and it works for my movies in vlc, and my mp3's in audacious...
[04:55] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: no, it's broken in ways that are more easily fixed with google
[04:55] <billybigrigger> i have yet to ONCE get pulse to output anything, on any machine i've touched...
[04:56] <ali1234> billybigrigger: then alsa is broken on those machines! pulse uses alsa!
[04:56] <dtchen_> we're at the point where the *entire* Linux audio stack is being audited, because it's entirely unmaintainable
[04:57] <billybigrigger> well how is alsa broken when i can hear audio from vlc and audacious playing movies and mp3's? to the end user it works
[04:57] <setuid> That should be happening anyway.... it's just been left crufty, because it isn't "essential" to function
[04:57] <ali1234> billybigrigger: because alsa can only play sound from one program in 99% of machines
[04:57] <setuid> video, networking, disk, etc. is essential
[04:57] <setuid> sound is eye-candy (ear-candy?)
[04:57] <ali1234> billybigrigger: so pulse will never work while vlc is playing sound, unless you setup vlc (and every single other program) to use pulse
[04:58] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: where do you want me to begin?
[04:58] <dtchen_> the entire quirk structure is broken
[04:58]  * billybigrigger is watching an xvid and listening to an mp3 right now...
[04:58] <dtchen_> the entire jack-event system was broken, but at least it's being worked on now
[04:58]  * billybigrigger is glad to be part of the %1
[04:58] <setuid> %0.001
[04:58] <setuid> ;)
[04:59] <dtchen_> the entire mixer exposure is fragile and unmaintained
[04:59] <dtchen_> oh, and various tools manipulate what's exposed and receive nondeterministic behaviour
[04:59] <billybigrigger> thats all im saying is that its hard to want to switch to something that does not, %100 work for me, and never has
[05:00] <dtchen_> PCI audio device enumeration is nondeterministic in ordering
[05:00] <dtchen_> and that's just a *sampling* of the *kernel* sayer
[05:00] <dtchen_> layer*
[05:00] <dtchen_> now let's look at Alsa-lib
[05:01] <dtchen_> half the snd_pcm_* don't do proper bound checking
[05:01] <dtchen_> (should i continue? are you getting an idea of the *scope* of the madness?)
[05:02] <billybigrigger> im understanding the madness
[05:02] <billybigrigger> or maybe im not
[05:02] <dtchen_> you can argue all you want about ESounD, Arts, NAS, whatever. it doesn't change the fact that the underlying layers of the stack were always *crud*
[05:03] <dtchen_> again, PulseAudio is the *only* application to have reached across all layers to demonstrate just how fragile they are
[05:03] <billybigrigger> so how does pulse fix this, because is pulse not an overlaying layer to alsa?
[05:03] <billybigrigger> pulse uses alsa, without alsa, not pulse, without pulse alsa still lives on correct?
[05:03] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: don't think of PulseAudio as a fix yet, because it can't possibly be a fix while everything else is still crack
[05:04] <ali1234> doesn't PA run on other platforms without alsa too? or am i thinking of that new kde thing?
[05:04] <dtchen_> yes, PA runs on OSS
[05:04] <ali1234> does it run on mac/win32?
[05:04] <dtchen_> runs fine on current NetBSD thanks to a bunch of hacking
[05:05] <dtchen_> probably not current PA
[05:05] <dtchen_> no one has taken up the torch to continue the maintenance
[05:06] <setuid> Anyone happen to know how to change the default dillo font size?
[05:06] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: so, we come back to "how can i help out?" - start by looking at the bugs in any one of the layers
[05:07] <dtchen_> e.g.,
[05:07] <dtchen_> -- rhythmbox --
[05:07] <dtchen_> -- gstreamer --
[05:07] <dtchen_> -- pulseaudio --
[05:07] <dtchen_> -- alsa-lib --
[05:07] <dtchen_> -- linux --
[05:07] <dtchen_> -- hardware --
[05:07] <billybigrigger> dtchen_, im not a programmer, i have 0 expierience with code...:P
[05:07] <billybigrigger> i can do basic html :P
[05:07] <dtchen_> you don't need to be a programmer
[05:08] <ali1234> haha... rhythmbox has the funniest bugs, like when it starts playing to songs at once :)
[05:08] <dtchen_> you need to be able to say what isn't working
[05:08] <billybigrigger> so start triaging bugs
[05:08] <billybigrigger> easy enough
[05:08]  * billybigrigger waits for the slap
[05:09] <setuid> found it...
[05:09] <setuid> font_factor=0.6
[05:09] <lanoxx-> is jaunty going to ship with gnome 2.26 or 2.24?
[05:09] <crdlb> 2.26
[05:09] <lanoxx-> thx
[05:11] <ian> does the .deb technology let you easily move between versions of a given package?
[05:11] <ian> (down)
[05:13] <dtchen_> ian: the tech itself does, yes.
[05:13] <crdlb> what do you mean?
[05:13] <setuid> Assuming the .deb is smart enough to handle the dependency and dependent removal, yes.
[05:13] <dtchen_> ian: whether it actually does well depends on the maintainer's work
[05:14] <ian> I mean, stepping back in time, one .deb version at a time, for triage
[05:14] <dtchen_> well, apt handles dependencies. dpkg is pretty dumb.
[05:14] <dtchen_> analogous to yum and rpm.
[05:14] <setuid> which is now something called 'zypper' or something
[05:14] <ian> how do you do it?
[05:15] <dtchen_> ian: if you're asking whether something like Nexenta's pairing of apt with ZFS exists in Ubuntu, the answer is no
[05:15] <dtchen_> there is no snapshotting of packages...yet.
[05:19] <nickrud> I always though sound was kinda messed up, but wow
[05:21]  * setuid waits for this Exchange 2007 Server CD to finish dd'ing so he can build a VM with it 
[05:21] <setuid> dd takes all the IO right out of my machine
[05:22] <setuid> Why-o-why is the default kernel HZ value 250 for a desktop build of Ubuntu?
[05:23] <setuid> IM!HO, that's just wrong, _especially_ where media and sound is concerned
[05:24] <dtchen_> it's not.
[05:24] <dtchen_> it's tickless and dynamic
[05:24] <dtchen_> but - i agree that PREEMPT being disabled for -generic is a travesty
[05:25] <setuid> # grep CONFIG_HZ /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep -v ^#
[05:25] <setuid> CONFIG_HZ=250
[05:25] <setuid> CONFIG_HZ_250=y
[05:26] <dtchen_> that's a side effect of enabling NOHZ
[05:28] <setuid> I'm going to rebuild it with CONFIG_HZ=1000, and see if that improves responsiveness with VMware Workstation images... they're thrashing the disk like mad.
[05:28] <setuid> MUCH more than with previous kernels
[05:29] <dtchen_> you want to enable PREEMPT, then.
[05:29] <dtchen_> possibly set the default io scheduler to deadline
[05:29] <maco> feisty was the last one to do so
[05:29] <maco> dtchen_: thats what you said the other day, right?
[05:29] <dtchen_> maybe; check gitweb
[05:33] <setuid> hrm, a 5.7G CD image... very interesting
[05:51] <Slartibartfast> when i my monitor gets black because i did not do soemthing for some time and i move my mouse, it takes quiet some time to get my desktop back. And it even takes longer to see the mouse pointer on the screen ...
[05:52] <Slartibartfast> Is this a nvidia driver problem ?
[05:58] <Slartibartfast> anybody has similar X behaviour?
[06:00] <burner> anyone hip to nvidia?  I still can't figure out how to move my monitors to be opposite of how they are.  left to right, right to left
[06:00] <setuid> burner, LeftOf and RightOf in your xorg.conf
[06:00] <setuid> google those three components and youll find plenty of examples
[06:01] <burner> do i have to do it by hand?  I tried nvidia-settings but it says it cant set teh meta mode
[06:01] <setuid> Yes, do it by hand
[06:03] <burner> gr... stupid nvidia... too bad nouveau is so slow
[06:03] <setuid> nouveau is faster than nvidia at 2D, but not 3D, not yet
[06:05] <burner> it's slower with flash video too
[06:06]  * burner shrugs and goes back to nouveau just for proper xrandr support
[06:06] <Slartibartfast> wow ... there goes X, something terribly crash :-) ... black screen  think need to do an "ctrl alt bksp"
[06:07] <Slartibartfast> aha yes .... _usr_bin_plasma.1000.crash
[06:14] <Slartibartfast> So i have this  _usr_bin_plasma.1000.crash file ... But also using a nvidia driver ... Is it still useful to file a bug report?
[06:16] <Slartibartfast> because i am not really sure if plasma crashed because of the driver or not
[06:30] <setuid> Thanks for the help, all... I'll be back. :)
[07:05] <deepthought> anyone know if the restricted nvidia driver for Jaunty will be available anytime soon ?
[07:06] <les> what's wrong with nvidia-glx-180?
[07:08] <deepthought> les: talking to me ?
[07:08] <les> yeah
[07:08] <deepthought> IS THAT IN THE REPOS ?
[07:08] <deepthought> whoops caps
[07:12] <deepthought> les: I suppose you mean the standard restricted driver ?   It doesn't work well with the new xorg-server
[07:14] <Alexia_Death> deepthought: I does decently for me.
[07:14] <Alexia_Death> IgnoreABI is still needed AFAIK tho.
[07:15] <deepthought> Alexia_Death: the one installed through the hardware-drivers app ?
[07:16] <Alexia_Death> Well, i installed it throug sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 but I suppose its the same.
[07:16] <deepthought> Alexia_Death: yep...   I guess the problem is my dual-head setup, that won't go
[07:17] <Alexia_Death> deepthought: but like I said, It will need IgnoreABI "true" in your xorg conf
[07:17] <Alexia_Death> deepthought: I sont see why it woudnt...
[07:17] <Alexia_Death> dont*
[07:17] <deepthought> Alexia_Death: then I went to launchpad and found that there's buggy support in new xorg for it
[07:17] <les> weird. it Works For Me<tm> without the ABI config
[07:18] <deepthought> les: ABI config ?
[07:18] <Alexia_Death> les: oh. then My info may be obsolete. It did initially.
[07:18]  * Alexia_Death checks x log
[07:20] <Alexia_Death> les: you seem to be right. No more ABI warnings.
[07:20] <les> success :)
[07:21] <Alexia_Death> :d
[07:21] <Alexia_Death> :D
[07:30] <deepthought> les: Alexia_Death, pff.. back, quassel keeps  crashing on me too...  had to re-re-reboot...
[07:31] <deepthought> maybe I better move back to Ibex...
[08:19] <balrog__> will jaunty have the X autoconfiguration that intrepid did?
[08:20] <crdlb> yes?
[08:20] <rww> balrog__: you mean how it has an almost-empty xorg.conf? yes, it will
[08:21] <balrog__> sweet
[08:24] <Infecto> any one know how to disable alt in konsole?
[08:24] <Infecto> when i push alt coursor is market like i will leave from console
[08:25] <Infecto> but i only push alt
[08:25] <Infecto> i must push it again
[08:51] <timothy> I think I've found a problem with Network Manager under jaunty, it doesn't want to manage any of my network interfaces
[08:55] <timothy> anyone about and able to help ?
[09:08] <dns53> clear out your /etc/network/interfaces so it only contains the loopback entry
[09:09] <Numbers> Morning
[09:09] <dns53> hey
[09:10] <Numbers> So, I'm going back down to 180.259
[09:10] <Numbers> 180.29 in nvidia drivers
[09:10] <Numbers> can't watch video cause it's all blocky
[09:10] <Numbers> :(
[10:29] <VSpike> Does anyone know if gwibber in 9.04 should be run against the Webkit PPA or the standard Webkit?
[10:37] <crdlb> VSpike: presumably a package in the regular repos would work with other packages from the repos?
[12:38] <Wicla> Hello. Anything changed in the Networking Manager? I'm unable to connect to my wireless network since I updated my system with todays updates
[12:42] <Wicla> It's protected by WPA-PSK. I'm able to connect to some unprotected networks
[12:44] <Wicla> 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
[12:44] <Wicla> module: iwlagn
[12:45] <Numbers> Now by the looks of it, just did a quick check of the changes mailing list
[12:45] <Numbers> now*
[12:45] <Numbers> not*
[12:46] <Wicla> Hm ok. As i said, was working yesterday, but not today after a bunch of updates
[12:46] <Wicla> Don't know if there was any driver updates
[12:47] <Numbers> Mine was fine this morning after update, that was about 5 hours ago
[12:47] <Wicla> ok
[13:35] <setuid> Anyone awake yet?
[13:36] <setuid> I'm having some issues installing my hand-built kernels (build with make-kpkg, using Ubuntu kernel sources)
[13:43] <setuid> Looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/jYBjO772.html
[13:45] <setuid> hrm, looks like a known problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/292606
[13:57] <vbgunz> anybody know how to get powerdevil to associate itself with the power button? I am failing miserably and the system just shuts down :/
[13:58] <Infecto> i have problem with turning off compiz
[13:59] <Infecto> any one experience the samy problem or its only me? :)
[13:59] <setuid> Infecto, You failed to state the problem
[14:00] <Infecto> setuid: so you dont understand me? :)
[14:00] <Hobbsee> what are you replacing compiz with?
[14:01] <Infecto> i just wan to turn off efects
[14:01] <Infecto> i need flat desktop
[14:01] <Infecto> without any extra things
[14:01] <Infecto> like sliding etc
[14:02] <Infecto> compiz dont have registered configuration tool
[14:03] <Hobbsee> yeah, i'm jsut reopening that bug
[14:05] <Numbers> ooh compiz updates.. are effects about to work again?
[14:05] <Hobbsee> effects work fine here
[14:06] <Numbers> works for some, doesn't for others.. they dont work for me since the nvidia update 2 days back
[14:07] <Hobbsee> right.  well, nvidia...
[14:07] <Numbers> debian/patches/032_compiz_manager_add_gnomecompat:
[14:07] <Numbers>     - enable gnomecompat automatically in a gnome session
[14:07] <Numbers> I'm a noob so gimme so slack ;)
[14:08]  * Hobbsee mutters something about nonfree hardware, and expecting brokenness.
[14:09] <Infecto> hmmm
[14:09] <Infecto> i love nvidia too ;)
[14:11]  * setuid solved his nvidia-common issue with custom kernel builds
[14:11] <setuid> woo
[14:46] <Finnish> How do I disable Evolution notificator?
[14:54] <scizzo-> Finnish: in the session setup
[14:55] <scizzo-> Finnish: System -> Administrator or something like that...and then session
[14:57] <Finnish> I can't find it!
[14:57] <xxploit> Finnish my disappeared after an update
[14:58] <xxploit> Finnish: from terminal issue gnome-session-properties...i think thats the correct command
[15:55] <humbolt> I have no touchpad scrolling in jaunty ... known bug? or do I need to file it?
[15:58] <theholyduck> humbolt, jaunty needs some HAL stuff for touchpad to work i think
[15:58] <theholyduck> since the synaptics config moved from xorg to hal
[15:58] <theholyduck> but dont ask me how :P
[16:36] <_MMA_> Can anyone tell me why I can run compiz with "fusion-icon" but not through Appearances Preferences->Visual Effects?
[16:41]  * CosmiChaos got back from "a cup of coffee for my keyboard." - i completely demontaged it, cleaned it, dried it, back i am ;)
[16:42] <CosmiChaos> hell there were stuff in in 8~{}
[16:43] <maco> _MMA_: no idea, but ive never had the Appearances thing work properly while fusion-icon always has
[16:54] <aotianlong>  any one installed ati driver on ubuntu9.04 jaunty.
[16:55] <aotianlong> i can't watch movies.
[16:55] <aotianlong> it's too slow on full screen mode
[16:55] <aotianlong> and my compiz not work
[16:55] <aotianlong> how
[16:55] <aotianlong> and when
[16:56] <aotianlong> to resove this problem
[16:56] <aotianlong> resolve
[16:57] <fosco_> not sure, i have nvidia
[16:57] <fosco_> but try changing output video  in your player
[16:57] <fosco_> Xv should work fine
[16:57] <aotianlong> your nvidia works?
[16:57] <fosco_> yes
[16:58] <aotianlong> i hate ATI.
[17:11] <BUGabundo> hi guys
[17:11] <BUGabundo> just taken a sneek, while at work!
[17:11] <BUGabundo> anything new?
[17:17] <fosco_> not much, alpha5 out and so :)
[17:19] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, bored at the new job already? hehe
[17:19] <BUGabundo> learning and getting used to all new stuff
[17:19] <BUGabundo> not much to do yet
[17:20] <billybigrigger> you got hired as sysadmin?
[17:22] <BUGabundo> yes
[17:22] <BUGabundo> gonna setup a new server (ubuntu maybe)
[17:23] <BUGabundo> all it needs is LAMP
[17:23] <billybigrigger> hehe spread it around :P
[17:25] <BUGabundo> yep
[17:25]  * billybigrigger needs a job too
[17:26] <billybigrigger> sucks i have to look into areas of work of which i have no expierience
[17:26] <billybigrigger> at least on paper
[17:27]  * billybigrigger flips the bird to the oil patch!!!
[17:27] <billybigrigger> haha kind of hard for an out of work Driller to try and find a job in an office somewhere haha kind of a bad time to be looking for a career change
[17:28] <billybigrigger> 100's of thousands are in the same boat as me right now in canada
[17:28] <billybigrigger> huge layoffs, i've been out of a job for over a month now
[17:31] <andresmh> is it safe to assume that the bug with i845 or i865 video chipsets will be fixed by the time jaunty is released?
[17:33] <billybigrigger> well i imagine they want it fixed before release yes
[17:35] <maco> would dhclient failing to accept leases after changing APs with the same ESSID until i unload & reload iwlagn be a bug in dhclient or iwlagn?
[17:44] <CosmiChaos> can you say "pwng"? :=)
[17:50] <CosmiChaos> jaunty pwnz! :)
[17:51] <CosmiChaos> runs well on edge
[18:00] <BUGabundo> maco: or NM
[18:00] <maco> BUGabundo: im not using NM
[18:00] <maco> it breaks my session
[18:01] <maco> if i use NM, i cant launch GUI apps
[18:03] <skyjumper> why might pulseaudio be running and accepting connections, but not playing any audio?
[18:03] <skyjumper> output via OSS works fine
[18:04] <skyjumper> killing the daemon and restarting has no effect
[18:04] <mnemo> skyjumper: got your headphones plugged in or maybe speakers are off, heh?
[18:05] <skyjumper> 13:03 < skyjumper> output via OSS works fine
[18:05] <mnemo> oh right ;>
[18:05] <mnemo> maybe some OSS app still had the audio output locked?
[18:05] <skyjumper> then i wouldn't be able to use OSS, either
[18:09] <skyjumper> D: module-hal-detect.c: Loading module-alsa-sink with arguments 'device_id=0 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_8086_293e_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0 tsched=1'
[18:09] <skyjumper> E: module.c: Failed to open module "module-alsa-sink": file not found
[18:11] <BUGabundo> does anyone know where I can get a copy of ConcourseSuite FOSS?
[18:24] <DrHalan> hey, how do i set the owner of a folder recursively. nautilus cant do that :(
[18:28] <BUGabundo> DrHalan: sudo chown -R dir
[18:28] <maco> you missed a bit
[18:29] <maco> chown -R user:group dir
[18:29] <fosco_> DrHalan, chown -R
[18:31] <DrHalan> wow nice that worked thansk maco and BUGabundo :)
[18:31] <DrHalan> this bug seems to be open for a long time..
[18:32] <BUGabundo> duh  slopy me
[18:40] <BUGabundo> 1st day of new #job done! now gym !
[18:42] <CosmiChaos> does anyone got powertop showing powerusage??
[18:44] <CosmiChaos> mine doesnt work any idea? jaunty, intel c2d on xfx 630i geforce 7150
[18:44] <CosmiChaos> Keine ACPI Stromverbrauch-Schätzung verfügbar
[19:10] <vbgunz> does anyone know why kopete no longer shows custom names to some of my contacts? I give everyone a first and last name. some of them no longer show it. why?
[19:11] <Numbers> woohoo, compiz working.. nvidia driver working and no more blocky videos :D result
[19:11] <Ienorand> I'm getting auth. fail with KpackageKit in Kubuntu, it is sopposed to kdesu on start isn't it?
[19:11] <theholyduck> Numbers, i dont like compiz. it ruins most vos in some way or another
[19:12] <theholyduck> -vo xv sometimes has horrible issues with it. -vo gl* always has horrible issues
[19:12] <theholyduck> and -vo x11 isnt optimal
[19:12] <Numbers> theholyduck, it makes me feel less boring :)
[19:12] <theholyduck> 'im guessing it doesnt play well with -vo vdpau aswell
[19:12] <theholyduck> but i havent tried that
[19:26] <DGMurdockIII> how is the support for via chipsets
[19:26] <DGMurdockIII> is there any improvments for supporting them
[19:29] <drostie> Has anyone managed to get eduroam working on the new default kubuntu network manager?
[19:29] <drostie> Or, for that matter, any 802.1x ("Dynamic WEP") system with a Phase2 auth?
[19:37] <Infecto> Numbers: how You do this? simply up to date sys?
[19:37] <Infecto> or some work around?
[20:00] <DGMurdockIII> how is the support for via chipsets?
[20:02] <SwedeMike> my experience with via c7 was bad with 8.10 anyway. Via is mostly talk, little action when it comes to FOSS
[20:03] <DGMurdockIII> not the cpu\
[20:03] <DGMurdockIII> there old chipset that uset to be good and widely used
[20:04] <SwedeMike> this was the whole shebang, via everything
[20:04] <SwedeMike> processor, chipset, gfx
[20:06] <Volkodav> python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[20:06] <Volkodav> E: Broken packages
[20:06] <Volkodav> Is python issue resolved yet ?
[20:06] <Volkodav> or some apps need to be rebuild against new version &
[20:06] <Volkodav> ?
[20:08] <SwedeMike> Volkodav: I upgraded yesterday and everything was fine.
[20:12] <Volkodav> dist-upgrade you mean ?
[20:14] <Volkodav> I can not install some apps though that were removed
[20:14] <Volkodav> getting this error
[20:20] <Volkodav> SwedeMike what version python do you have installed ?
[20:23] <SwedeMike> 2.5.4-1ubuntu2, 2.6.1-1ubuntu1, 3.0.1-0ubuntu5
[20:23] <SwedeMike> sudo dpkg --list | grep -i libpython
[20:23] <SwedeMike> ii  libpython2.6                              2.6.1-1ubuntu1
[20:28] <badp> Hello. How can I tell if I'm running the Intel i845 or i865 video chipsets before Jaunty tells me?
[20:30] <Volkodav> Hmm - I have same packages but the ones removed look like require older version ? What the solution may be ?
[20:37] <yofel> badp: have you tried 'lspci' ?
[20:37] <badp> "Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)"
[20:39] <badp> I don't know if the lack of those substrings means I'm not affected by that bug =/
[20:39] <martijn81> can someone please backport ktorrent 3.2? https://bugs.launchpad.net/intrepid-backports/+bug/330456
[20:46] <martijn81> please?
[20:49] <charlie-tca> martijn81: You might try this process for getting it done: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#How%20to%20request%20new%20packages
[20:50] <badp> Oh, yay, I am affected too.
[20:50] <badp> OH_WELL Alpha 6 it is then. =/
[20:51] <badp> Thanks, later!
[20:53] <Numbers> Infecto, I removed all nvidia related packages and then reinstalled, rebooted, then enabled the driver via hardware drivers, rebooted again and it worked
[20:53] <martijn81> charlie-tca: there already is a bug for this
[20:55] <charlie-tca> I see. Problem is Jaunty only has 2.2 and the bug is requesting 3.2 backported to intrepid. Can't backport a version that doesn't exist for Jaunty
[21:00] <crdlb> !info ktorrent
[21:01] <Numbers> !info dropbox
[21:01] <Numbers> !info nautilus-dropbox
[21:02] <Numbers> heh, just playing
[21:02] <Numbers> in similar news, Jaunty broke dropbox
[21:05] <charlie-tca> crdlb: thanks for the information. I confirmed the bug, so maybe it can happen
[21:08] <Volkodav> hmm I have 2.5.4 installed but why won't it see only 2.6.1 and won't install ?
[21:09] <Volkodav> that's strange
[21:11] <charlie-tca> martijn81: bug is confirmed and backport team subscribed; may see action
[21:11] <bardyr> Numbers, the dropbox beta works
[21:19] <Numbers> bardyr, apparantly the recent gtk updates broke it again?
[21:19] <bardyr> Numbers, im running dropbox with the latest updates
[21:20] <bardyr> (but i have not restarted gdm yet)
[22:09] <nemo> ok. I have a teeensy problem
[22:09] <nemo> I went ahead and added ext4 to a laptop I'm fortunately not terribly attached to.
[22:10] <nemo> I now have a grub error on startup - I'd like to boot off a CD and do an fsck
[22:10] <nemo> but. that means I need a version of a jaunty CD with ext4 support
[22:10] <nemo> anyone can tell me where I can find such a thing?
[22:11] <Volkodav> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:12] <Volkodav> or grab the latest alpha which will fit on CD
[22:14] <nemo> Volkodav: thanks
[22:15] <Volkodav> np
[22:23] <hanasaki> what should i apt-get to install support to play a wav fil eon the desktop?
[22:25] <theholyduck> anything should be able to play a wav :P
[22:25] <theholyduck> its just raw audio anyway
[22:25] <hanasaki> hmmbrings up totem on double click.. says video is in use by another program.....
[22:26] <theholyduck> totem is a shitty application though
[22:26] <theholyduck> i wouldnt trust it to do anything
[22:26] <hanasaki> lol what should I use for video ? audio? movie playing?
[22:26] <hanasaki> lol totem is the default htat was installed
[22:26] <theholyduck> hanasaki, well yes
[22:26] <theholyduck> because its easy
[22:27] <theholyduck> its also crap
[22:27] <theholyduck> mplayer with whatever frontend you need to be able to use it
[22:27] <theholyduck> except ubuntu ships a 2 year old mplayer
[22:28] <theholyduck> actually your BEST solution is probally the almost worse than totem media player called vlc
[22:28] <hanasaki> well thats no good... even +1 is the OLD version?
[22:29] <theholyduck> hanasaki, yes :P
[22:29] <theholyduck> because mplayer doesnt DO release
[22:29] <theholyduck> s
[22:29] <theholyduck> and everyone refuses to package a svn
[22:29] <theholyduck> actually mplayer MIGHT blurt out a version soon. but i doubt it will be included
[22:30] <theholyduck> and then you're left with vlc
[22:30] <theholyduck> wich is full of weird bugs. and horrible performance
[22:30] <crdlb> -_-
[22:30] <theholyduck> really. ubuntu sucks at multimedia
[22:30]  * crdlb likes totem
[22:31] <theholyduck> always has. always will.
[22:31] <hanasaki> bummer
[22:31] <hanasaki> maybe I should go back to debian?
[22:31] <theholyduck> hanasaki, well if you're willing to risk it
[22:31] <crdlb> it does all the little things right, like disabling the screensaver
[22:31] <theholyduck> debian-multimedia :P
[22:31] <theholyduck> in ubuntu that is
[22:32] <theholyduck> it gives up to dateish mplayer
[22:32] <hanasaki> thanks folks
[22:37] <nemo> Volkodav: hm. 710MiB won't fit on an 80 minute CD - do I need to turn on overburning?
[22:38] <nemo> I'm going to go with "yes"  CDs are cheap :)
[22:39] <Volkodav> you can get regular size here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-5/jaunty-desktop-i386.iso
[22:41] <Volkodav> in case your overburn вщуы тще цщкл
[22:42] <Volkodav> does not work I meant*
[22:42] <nemo> :)
[22:42] <nemo> I was about to paste that into google translate
[22:45] <david_> Hi, can someone help me troubleshoot a network problem please: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/336674
[23:01] <Numbers> I can't help but think that a huge mistake was made by removing the logout, restart and shutdown items from the 'System' menu :/
[23:04] <theholyduck> i cant help but think that every ubuntu + 1 has been -1 in terms of usability for geeks :P but that doesnt mean anyone is going to do anything about it
[23:04] <Numbers> :p
[23:04] <theholyduck> 8.10 seems to randomly crash for me for example :P
[23:05] <aboSamoor> compiz is not starting on gnome startup even there is no errors while running it manually !
[23:05] <theholyduck> i didnt even NOTICE before now though. since i dont really use ubuntu
[23:06] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: well, if you want to configure everything yourself, I don't think ubuntu is the right place to go. I grew bored of running linux on my desktop in 1998, I came back because of ubuntu about a year ago
[23:07] <SwedeMike> editing xorg.conf (XF86Config back then) wasn't fun 1995, it wasn't fun 2005 either
[23:07] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, really?
[23:07] <SwedeMike> but with ubuntu most things just work out of the box
[23:07] <theholyduck> if i put in a ubuntu install cd and boot up now
[23:07] <theholyduck> it will "autodetect and autoconfigure" my graphics card
[23:08] <theholyduck> and then feel mighty smart as it displays a black screen
[23:08] <theholyduck> until i drop into terminal and edit xorg.conf
[23:08] <theholyduck> :P
[23:08] <theholyduck> and make it invalid or add the correct driver line
[23:08] <theholyduck> so ubuntu can pick a WORKING graphics driver
[23:08] <SwedeMike> well, 9.04 works for me on my thinkpad X200, 7.10 worked out of the box on my old laptop (centrino/intel graphics based)
[23:09] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, i've never had a box where i DIDNT have to tinkle to make ubuntu work
[23:09] <SwedeMike> my thinkpad works correctly with empty xorg.conf
[23:09] <theholyduck> thus i always use a distro that encourage tinkering
[23:09] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: well, that was my idea of all linux until I ran into ubuntu.
[23:09] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, well i ALWAYS have to tinkle a bit anyway
[23:09] <SwedeMike> because I tried to install debian etch and it wouldn't start up properly.. lenny actually seems to work when I tried it, even for graphics
[23:09] <theholyduck> i just installed ubuntu 8.10 to do some package testing
[23:10] <Numbers> I keep meaning to give gentoo another try now that the install doesn't take a week, lol
[23:10] <theholyduck> Numbers, dont :P
[23:10] <SwedeMike> 8.10 won't use correct display resolution on my x200, but works fairly well in most other aspects
[23:10] <theholyduck> the only people who are worse at packaging than ubuntu
[23:10] <theholyduck> is gentoo :P
[23:10] <theholyduck> seriously. the people maintaining ebuilds should be shot
[23:10]  * bruce89 can't stand dialogues
[23:10] <Numbers> heh.. lfs was my next bet
[23:10] <ryanpg> anyone know why I can no longer see IRQs listed in process lists? top and ps used to show IRQs and corresponding PIDs but not now
[23:10] <theholyduck> Numbers, if you WANT compile from source distro
[23:10] <SwedeMike> well, I like debian and ubuntu, sticking with that. debian on my server(s), ubuntu on the desktops
[23:11] <theholyduck> take a look at lunar :P
[23:11] <theholyduck> its packaged by lesser idiots
[23:11] <theholyduck> and everything is written in bash so its easy to work with
[23:11] <Numbers> SwedeMike, we object to Debian on our servers at work.. a lot of the packages seemed way behind
[23:12] <theholyduck> when i use debian i always stick with unstable
[23:12] <theholyduck> though testing is fine for most peopl
[23:12] <SwedeMike> Numbers: debian lenny should be fairly up to date... but yes, debian aims for stability, not state of the art.
[23:12] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, lenny is stable now :P
[23:12] <Numbers> it had a painfully old php version too, which caused all sorts of problems as we were developing on a newer version
[23:12] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: I know.
[23:12] <theholyduck> you want squeeze
[23:12] <david_> Any distro recommendations if I can't get networking on my EeePC900 running Jaunty?
[23:12] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: no, I don't.
[23:12] <Numbers> david_, go back down to intrepid then
[23:13] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, well you WOULD want sqeeuze as debian will turn ooold :P
[23:13] <theholyduck> *stable
[23:13]  * theholyduck goes back to his debootstraping install
[23:13] <Numbers> david_, a couple of friends of mine are having trouble with networkmanager, could be that
[23:13] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: I was running etch up until two months ago, it worked fine. you apply some backports etc so you get the new anti-virus/spam stuff, and it's quite stable.
[23:14] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, well yes. but its very annoying for desktop use
[23:14]  * theholyduck uses unstable with exprimental and svn builds
[23:14] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: quite, 18-24 months release cycle is a pain if you want newer hw, but for a server that you use for 3-4 years it's perfect.
[23:14] <david_> Numbers: any pointers for troubleshooting networking?
[23:14] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, well it doesnt HAVE a release cycle
[23:14] <theholyduck> the point of debian is no release cycle :)
[23:14] <Numbers> david_, no.. mine just works
[23:15] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: well, they seem to aim for 18-24 months anyway.
[23:15] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, no. it just turns stable then :P
[23:15] <Numbers> anyways, bed time.. getting late here and I need to be able to get up for a day at work tomorrow
[23:15] <Numbers> laters
[23:15] <david_> Numbers: Lucky you ;-)
[23:15] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, a new stable wont be released untill all bugs in testing is worked out
[23:15] <theholyduck> basiclyt
[23:15] <theholyduck> if it takes 4 years. then it will take 4 years
[23:15] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: "all"? so the 100 release critical left in lenny is "all"?
[23:16] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, well within limitations :P
[23:16] <theholyduck> it should work on all arcs aswell obviously
[23:16] <theholyduck> but it makes it stagnate horribly
[23:16] <nemo> Volkodav: http://www.georgebashi.com/2009/02/05/ext4-jaunty-and-grub/ - looks like that is my problem
[23:16] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: stable.
[23:16] <nemo> Volkodav: perhaps I need to make a /boot partition :(
[23:16] <SwedeMike> it might be boring, but it's stable.
[23:17] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, but even ubuntu has a tendency to stagnate
[23:17] <SwedeMike> stagnate how?
[23:17] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, refusing upgrades because applying them would be messy :P
[23:18] <SwedeMike> well, after they've released nothing should be changed.
[23:18] <aboSamoor> any idea how to make compiz run on startup ? it was running on startup before upgrading from intrepid
[23:18] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, even if there are MASSIVE improvemnts in upgrades?
[23:18] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: security fixes should be applied, but nothing else. it should be improved for the next release instead.
[23:18] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, but thats 6 months away :P
[23:18] <theholyduck> etc
[23:18] <theholyduck> :P
[23:19] <SwedeMike> theholyduck: well, it's obvious that debian unstable is perfect for you.
[23:19] <theholyduck> true :D
[23:19] <theholyduck> some packages cant handle 2 weeks of stagnation
[23:19] <theholyduck> months of it is really really bad
[23:19] <SwedeMike> what packages might that be?
[23:19] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, x264 ffmpeg and to some degree mplayer
[23:19] <theholyduck> all have super fast developement
[23:20] <SwedeMike> well, then you'd better build your own svn build environment and use that instead
[23:20] <theholyduck> where 2 weeks is the difference between working and totally broken :P
[23:20] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, but that breaks ubuntu packaging :P
[23:20] <SwedeMike> you can make packages of it.
[23:20] <theholyduck> since ffmpeg in ubuntu is compiled as 20 d.ebs
[23:20] <theholyduck> *debs
[23:20] <theholyduck> and packaging like that is a pain
[23:20] <theholyduck> you COULD make your own /usr/local/binversion
[23:20] <SwedeMike> well, keeping up with those projects is a pain.
[23:20] <theholyduck> since that will override the ubuntu one
[23:21] <SwedeMike> mplayer is a mess.
[23:21] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, admitedly
[23:21] <theholyduck> but its fast and stable
[23:21] <theholyduck> and the best mediaplayer around
[23:21] <SwedeMike> absolutely, but the whole project is a total mess.
[23:21] <theholyduck> its a bloody mess. but a bloody mess that WORKS
[23:22] <SwedeMike> but it's even hard to compile properly.
[23:22] <theholyduck> SwedeMike, you dont need to tell me about that. im working on a ubuntu ppa rep :P
[23:22] <theholyduck> i got ffmpeg, x264, xvid, and faac to compile correctly and reliably
[23:22] <theholyduck> that works with ubuntu and follows ubuntu packaging guidelines
[23:23] <theholyduck> but mplayer is alot harder to crack
[23:24] <nemo> ok. now that I'm back in my friggen system.
[23:24] <nemo> let me try his suggestion for updating grub
[23:28] <eternal_p> evening all...quick question..any way to get the latest version of Wine running under Jaunty?
[23:32] <Royall> is it possible to downgrade to 8.10?
[23:32] <Royall> from 9.04
[23:32] <Royall> as in, from Jaunty to Interpid
[23:32] <rww> !downgrade
[23:33] <Royall> well 9.04 broke my system as it is
[23:33] <rww> It's probably possible, but would be tedious, and your installation wouldn't work at the end of it.
[23:33] <rww> Royall: back up your data and reinstall from scratch.
[23:33] <Royall> I can't even start nautilus to back up data
[23:34] <rww> Boot from a LiveCD, mount the Jaunty partition, back up your data, and reinstall.
[23:34] <Royall> hm, that could work, thanks
[23:34] <joaopinto> Royall, also is not advised to use an alpha version with important data...
[23:34] <joaopinto> to late
[23:34] <billybigrigger> anyone here by chance have an antec earthwatts 380w PSU?
[23:36] <rww> billybigrigger: I have the same brand, but in 500w
[23:39] <billybigrigger> oh
[23:39] <billybigrigger> was just wondering what video card i can power with the 380w
[23:39] <rww> billybigrigger: ask in ##hardware
[23:40] <billybigrigger> it only has 17a and 15a on the 12v, but ive been reading people are powering 9800's and new ati 48x series cards with this psu which is hard to believe
[23:40] <billybigrigger> k thanks rww i will