[00:12] my graphics stuff doesn't work right [00:12] on this laptop [00:13] *X-server settings [00:14] and the hardware tester doesn't seem to test anything anymore so, i guess I have to report it some other way [02:45] hey guys im experiencing dpkg problems :/ [02:45] i tried sudo dpkg --configure -a, and it wont fix it, what can i do? [02:47] http://omploader.org/vMWJqcA [02:49] check the standard bits - lo is up, FSes are mounted rw and exec, you have enough free space, etc. [02:49] also `dmesg` [02:52] everything seems fine [02:52] how do i check standard bits? [03:06] oooh, synaptics driver update [03:08] dtchen_, sorry to bother you; but can you help me out please :) [03:09] where can i see changelog for all the updates? [03:45] can someone on jaunty install miredo and try to connect to freenode over ipv6? dtchen can do it using jaunty's miredo on hardy, but using real jaunty, i cant [03:48] maco: you could also use tshark to narrow the culprit space [03:49] tshark? is that like wireshark, but text? [03:55] Just reading the release notes of Alpha5 ... it's mentioning about Xserver 1.6 ... how can i see if the xserver i am running is 1.6 ... [03:56] i only see version numbers like 7.4-5 .... how is this version numbering working with X [03:57] ? [03:57] Slartibartfast: look at xserver-xorg-core. [03:58] xserver-xorg-core | 2:1.5.99.902-0ubuntu7 | jaunty | amd64, i386 [03:59] aha .. ok ok :-) ..... here also 1.5.99.902 ... then thats still a pre-release of 1.6? [04:00] i mean ... in the release notes 1.6 is mentioned ... why then i am not rrunning 1.6 but 1.5.99.902 [04:06] How can I set my CONFIG_HZ to 1000 without rebuilding the kernel? [04:06] It's 250 by default in Ubuntu kernels [04:21] * setuid tries unpacking /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.27.tar.bz2, copies /boot/config-2.6.27-12-generic into place, and rebuilds with make-kpkg [04:25] hi! [04:26] i've a lot of trouble with kubuntu 9.04 and my sound card soundblaster audigy (ca106) [04:26] it simply doesnt work [04:26] i mean, everything seams to be fine, but when i play sound with amarok, mp3blaster or another, it just doesnt play any sound [04:26] any ideas what it could be? [04:29] ? [04:31] joaquinz, is this possibly related to the dreaded pulse-audio? [04:31] i got it :) [04:31] pulseaudio-- [04:31] boo [04:32] but now you mentioned it, i think that pulseaudio is not working anyway [04:32] i never understood pulseaudio. sure forwarding is nice and all; but only if it works painlessly like X11 forwarding [04:33] pulseaudio was a bad idea [04:33] An over-engineered solution to a non-existent problem [04:34] another trouble: no sond in youtube :( [04:35] you have to kill anything else using sound... sound isn't "shared" in Linux [04:35] setuid, sure it is if you're using ALSA [04:35] those were the old days of OSS when one process could block it [04:36] If I have YouTube loaded up in Firefox, not playing anything, and load Xine from the cli to play an mp3, it blocks. [04:36] no it doesn't. [04:36] I'm using alsa, it doesn't work that way, never has. [04:36] i can play youtube videos and use mplayer to play all my videos simultaneously [04:36] It absolutely does, I've shown this time and time again to dozens of people [04:36] setuid, maybe you never checked what your xine is setup to do [04:36] that would be dmix or a hardware mixer, wouldn't it? [04:36] Anything... xine, mplayer, amarok, ls > /dev/dsp, anything. [04:37] Sound is not, and has never been, "shared" on Linux... not that I've ever seen, and I've been doing this daily since about 1994. [04:37] setuid, so you're saying you can play only a single track and *only* that one at any given time on your computer? [04:37] esdplay was close, but it's not perfect [04:37] freakabcd_, Correct [04:38] get a better computer. i've been able to do this ever since alsa was merged [04:38] it's not just Ubuntu either, I'm not laying blame there... it's all distros [04:38] I've tried this on dozens of platforms; laptops, desktops, home-built machines, servers. [04:38] All stock, known, name-brand hardware [04:38] seriously. i've tried it on desktops, laptops and name-brand machines. [04:38] it works as i expected [04:39] I believe ubuntu ships (or did so pre-pulse) alsa with dmix enabled [04:39] so if you used all alsa apps, it'll mix [04:39] They you're doing something different... because nobody can get it working. My LUG is full of people who have tried and failed over the last decade or so. [04:40] ok, what do you think we are doing differently? [04:40] just plain alsa. and all programs instructed to use alsa instead of oss. [04:40] thats all i have ever done [04:41] pulseaudio is going to be a PITA in JJ [04:41] and even beyond (imho) [04:42] then help fix it. [04:42] dtchen_, Yep [04:43] at least that's what i'm doing, and i blog about it, and my work goes into jaunty. [04:43] what are you doing besides complaining? [04:43] joaquinz: mixer element toggle? [04:43] dtchen_, thats all good. but some of us think this is a non-issue [04:43] dtchen_, Moi? I'm publishing patches, fixes, very detailed HOWTO documents, submitting bugs, following up on bugs, running the LUG, providing hands-on help and training, as well as maintaining my own OSS codebase (pilot-link) [04:44] freakabcd_: then keep thinking it's a non-issue, and you'll keep missing what pulseaudio actually *is doing* [04:44] no, i'm not referring to what its feature set is touted to be [04:44] dtchen_, err.. I don;t have issues with pulseaudio. [04:44] dtchen: you want me to tell you wich elements are toggled and wich elements are not? [04:45] we were talking about why he wasn;t able to get multiple streams playing with alsa [04:45] freakabcd_: i'm not calling *you* out [04:45] i'm referring to what pulseaudio has been able to do *to the rest of the audio stack*, i.e., exposing the brokenness [04:45] freakabcd_, I suppose when Firefox + Flash are involved, all 'alsa' bets are off, because THAT combination can't multiplex [04:46] i.e. Firefox + youtube playing video and xine or mplayer or anything else running at the same time [04:46] i dunno why, but that has *always* worked for me [04:46] i've always said that if your audio *happens to have worked with straight ALSA*, be thankful, but don't think that ALSA isn't broken [04:47] Well, ALSA is worse code than OSS was, but the API and the interfaces are much cleaner. [04:47] But that's all commonly known anyway [04:47] "worse code" is a perspective [04:47] dtchen_, how does a regular user go about fixing PA? [04:47] yes, arguably it is overengineered, but it follows a certain separation. [04:48] clearly some camps think that particular kernel/userspace separation is horrid [04:48] dtchen_, i'll be the first to admit i sit here and complain about how much i hate PA but i don't know where to start helping to fix it [04:49] billybigrigger: there are two PPAs you need to be aware of for jaunty audio, mine and Luke's (themuso's) [04:49] its hard for me to want to fix pulse when i know alsa has and always worked for me [04:49] why fix something that isnt broke right? [04:49] billybigrigger: for jaunty, my changes are tested in that PPA before sending to Luke, who actually uploads them to Ubuntu [04:49] all perceived problems that people see with pulseaudio happened exactly the same with esd and artsd before [04:49] Why does pulse even exist? What problem are they trying to solve here? [04:50] ali1234, Exactly my point... how many times do we have to reinvent this wheel, for this 3-wheeled car that has no roads ;) [04:50] billybigrigger: Luke's PPA has the _next_ version of Alsa-lib and PulseAudio - i.e., *not* what JJ will ship but still is useful for testing [04:50] the cause is not PA, the cause is apps that don't use PA blocking it. same exact problem that we had with artsd 4 years ago [04:50] ...and esd prior to that [04:50] setuid: / ali1234: no, the problem is *much* deeper [04:51] it's not *just* this silly software multiplexing [04:51] it's the entire audio stack [04:51] in Linux 2.6's case, we have ALSA, as it's the blessed API [04:51] so the API has shortcomings [04:52] PulseAudio is the one "thing" to have exposed *massive* shortcomings in both OSS and ALSA [04:52] yes i agree [04:52] They've been there before, but now people are just focused on it, because PA itself is a steaming pile of swill [04:53] for too long, people thought of "audio packet processing" is something based on the hardware's interrupt [04:53] s [04:53] as something* [04:53] i'm not here to argue whether it is or isn't a pile of poo [04:53] no [04:54] you don't have to like it, but pulse *is* the way forward [04:54] the problems were always there, but when it was esd vs artsd everyone was more focused on blaming the other side and so the underlying architecture was never fixed [04:54] personally, i'd rather never have to worry about audio again, but clearly that isn't happening [04:54] That can be said of most of the subsystems though... networking, usb, sound, etc. [04:55] billybigrigger: ...except ALSA "worked" for you, not worked for you. [04:55] There are big, huge glaring holes in all of them, I could drive my truck through [04:55] dtchen_, it still works [04:55] dtchen_, sound works in wine, and it works for my movies in vlc, and my mp3's in audacious... [04:55] billybigrigger: no, it's broken in ways that are more easily fixed with google [04:55] i have yet to ONCE get pulse to output anything, on any machine i've touched... [04:56] billybigrigger: then alsa is broken on those machines! pulse uses alsa! [04:56] we're at the point where the *entire* Linux audio stack is being audited, because it's entirely unmaintainable [04:57] well how is alsa broken when i can hear audio from vlc and audacious playing movies and mp3's? to the end user it works [04:57] That should be happening anyway.... it's just been left crufty, because it isn't "essential" to function [04:57] billybigrigger: because alsa can only play sound from one program in 99% of machines [04:57] video, networking, disk, etc. is essential [04:57] sound is eye-candy (ear-candy?) [04:57] billybigrigger: so pulse will never work while vlc is playing sound, unless you setup vlc (and every single other program) to use pulse [04:58] billybigrigger: where do you want me to begin? [04:58] the entire quirk structure is broken [04:58] * billybigrigger is watching an xvid and listening to an mp3 right now... [04:58] the entire jack-event system was broken, but at least it's being worked on now [04:58] * billybigrigger is glad to be part of the %1 [04:58] %0.001 [04:58] ;) [04:59] the entire mixer exposure is fragile and unmaintained [04:59] oh, and various tools manipulate what's exposed and receive nondeterministic behaviour [04:59] thats all im saying is that its hard to want to switch to something that does not, %100 work for me, and never has [05:00] PCI audio device enumeration is nondeterministic in ordering [05:00] and that's just a *sampling* of the *kernel* sayer [05:00] layer* [05:00] now let's look at Alsa-lib [05:01] half the snd_pcm_* don't do proper bound checking [05:01] (should i continue? are you getting an idea of the *scope* of the madness?) [05:02] im understanding the madness [05:02] or maybe im not [05:02] you can argue all you want about ESounD, Arts, NAS, whatever. it doesn't change the fact that the underlying layers of the stack were always *crud* [05:03] again, PulseAudio is the *only* application to have reached across all layers to demonstrate just how fragile they are [05:03] so how does pulse fix this, because is pulse not an overlaying layer to alsa? [05:03] pulse uses alsa, without alsa, not pulse, without pulse alsa still lives on correct? [05:03] billybigrigger: don't think of PulseAudio as a fix yet, because it can't possibly be a fix while everything else is still crack [05:04] doesn't PA run on other platforms without alsa too? or am i thinking of that new kde thing? [05:04] yes, PA runs on OSS [05:04] does it run on mac/win32? [05:04] runs fine on current NetBSD thanks to a bunch of hacking [05:05] probably not current PA [05:05] no one has taken up the torch to continue the maintenance [05:06] Anyone happen to know how to change the default dillo font size? [05:06] billybigrigger: so, we come back to "how can i help out?" - start by looking at the bugs in any one of the layers [05:07] e.g., [05:07] -- rhythmbox -- [05:07] -- gstreamer -- [05:07] -- pulseaudio -- [05:07] -- alsa-lib -- [05:07] -- linux -- [05:07] -- hardware -- [05:07] dtchen_, im not a programmer, i have 0 expierience with code...:P [05:07] i can do basic html :P [05:07] you don't need to be a programmer [05:08] haha... rhythmbox has the funniest bugs, like when it starts playing to songs at once :) [05:08] you need to be able to say what isn't working [05:08] so start triaging bugs [05:08] easy enough [05:08] * billybigrigger waits for the slap [05:09] found it... [05:09] font_factor=0.6 [05:09] is jaunty going to ship with gnome 2.26 or 2.24? [05:09] 2.26 [05:09] thx [05:11] does the .deb technology let you easily move between versions of a given package? [05:11] (down) [05:13] ian: the tech itself does, yes. [05:13] what do you mean? [05:13] Assuming the .deb is smart enough to handle the dependency and dependent removal, yes. [05:13] ian: whether it actually does well depends on the maintainer's work [05:14] I mean, stepping back in time, one .deb version at a time, for triage [05:14] well, apt handles dependencies. dpkg is pretty dumb. [05:14] analogous to yum and rpm. [05:14] which is now something called 'zypper' or something [05:14] how do you do it? [05:15] ian: if you're asking whether something like Nexenta's pairing of apt with ZFS exists in Ubuntu, the answer is no [05:15] there is no snapshotting of packages...yet. [05:19] I always though sound was kinda messed up, but wow [05:21] * setuid waits for this Exchange 2007 Server CD to finish dd'ing so he can build a VM with it [05:21] dd takes all the IO right out of my machine [05:22] Why-o-why is the default kernel HZ value 250 for a desktop build of Ubuntu? [05:23] IM!HO, that's just wrong, _especially_ where media and sound is concerned [05:24] it's not. [05:24] it's tickless and dynamic [05:24] but - i agree that PREEMPT being disabled for -generic is a travesty [05:25] # grep CONFIG_HZ /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep -v ^# [05:25] CONFIG_HZ=250 [05:25] CONFIG_HZ_250=y [05:26] that's a side effect of enabling NOHZ [05:28] I'm going to rebuild it with CONFIG_HZ=1000, and see if that improves responsiveness with VMware Workstation images... they're thrashing the disk like mad. [05:28] MUCH more than with previous kernels [05:29] you want to enable PREEMPT, then. [05:29] possibly set the default io scheduler to deadline [05:29] feisty was the last one to do so [05:29] dtchen_: thats what you said the other day, right? [05:29] maybe; check gitweb [05:33] hrm, a 5.7G CD image... very interesting === MTecknology is now known as mtbot === mtbot is now known as MTecknology [05:51] when i my monitor gets black because i did not do soemthing for some time and i move my mouse, it takes quiet some time to get my desktop back. And it even takes longer to see the mouse pointer on the screen ... [05:52] Is this a nvidia driver problem ? [05:58] anybody has similar X behaviour? [06:00] anyone hip to nvidia? I still can't figure out how to move my monitors to be opposite of how they are. left to right, right to left [06:00] burner, LeftOf and RightOf in your xorg.conf [06:00] google those three components and youll find plenty of examples [06:01] do i have to do it by hand? I tried nvidia-settings but it says it cant set teh meta mode [06:01] Yes, do it by hand [06:03] gr... stupid nvidia... too bad nouveau is so slow [06:03] nouveau is faster than nvidia at 2D, but not 3D, not yet [06:05] it's slower with flash video too [06:06] * burner shrugs and goes back to nouveau just for proper xrandr support [06:06] wow ... there goes X, something terribly crash :-) ... black screen think need to do an "ctrl alt bksp" [06:07] aha yes .... _usr_bin_plasma.1000.crash [06:14] So i have this _usr_bin_plasma.1000.crash file ... But also using a nvidia driver ... Is it still useful to file a bug report? [06:16] because i am not really sure if plasma crashed because of the driver or not [06:30] Thanks for the help, all... I'll be back. :) [07:05] anyone know if the restricted nvidia driver for Jaunty will be available anytime soon ? [07:06] what's wrong with nvidia-glx-180? [07:08] les: talking to me ? [07:08] yeah [07:08] IS THAT IN THE REPOS ? [07:08] whoops caps [07:12] les: I suppose you mean the standard restricted driver ? It doesn't work well with the new xorg-server [07:14] deepthought: I does decently for me. [07:14] IgnoreABI is still needed AFAIK tho. [07:15] Alexia_Death: the one installed through the hardware-drivers app ? === tjaalton_ is now known as tjaalton [07:16] Well, i installed it throug sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 but I suppose its the same. [07:16] Alexia_Death: yep... I guess the problem is my dual-head setup, that won't go [07:17] deepthought: but like I said, It will need IgnoreABI "true" in your xorg conf === Trewas666 is now known as Trewas [07:17] deepthought: I sont see why it woudnt... [07:17] dont* [07:17] Alexia_Death: then I went to launchpad and found that there's buggy support in new xorg for it [07:17] weird. it Works For Me without the ABI config [07:18] les: ABI config ? [07:18] les: oh. then My info may be obsolete. It did initially. [07:18] * Alexia_Death checks x log [07:20] les: you seem to be right. No more ABI warnings. [07:20] success :) [07:21] :d [07:21] :D [07:30] les: Alexia_Death, pff.. back, quassel keeps crashing on me too... had to re-re-reboot... [07:31] maybe I better move back to Ibex... [08:19] will jaunty have the X autoconfiguration that intrepid did? [08:20] yes? [08:20] balrog__: you mean how it has an almost-empty xorg.conf? yes, it will [08:21] sweet [08:24] any one know how to disable alt in konsole? [08:24] when i push alt coursor is market like i will leave from console [08:25] but i only push alt [08:25] i must push it again [08:51] I think I've found a problem with Network Manager under jaunty, it doesn't want to manage any of my network interfaces [08:55] anyone about and able to help ? [09:08] clear out your /etc/network/interfaces so it only contains the loopback entry [09:09] Morning [09:09] hey [09:10] So, I'm going back down to 180.259 [09:10] 180.29 in nvidia drivers [09:10] can't watch video cause it's all blocky [09:10] :( [10:29] Does anyone know if gwibber in 9.04 should be run against the Webkit PPA or the standard Webkit? [10:37] VSpike: presumably a package in the regular repos would work with other packages from the repos? [12:38] Hello. Anything changed in the Networking Manager? I'm unable to connect to my wireless network since I updated my system with todays updates [12:42] It's protected by WPA-PSK. I'm able to connect to some unprotected networks [12:44] 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection [12:44] module: iwlagn [12:45] Now by the looks of it, just did a quick check of the changes mailing list [12:45] now* [12:45] not* [12:46] Hm ok. As i said, was working yesterday, but not today after a bunch of updates [12:46] Don't know if there was any driver updates [12:47] Mine was fine this morning after update, that was about 5 hours ago [12:47] ok [13:35] Anyone awake yet? [13:36] I'm having some issues installing my hand-built kernels (build with make-kpkg, using Ubuntu kernel sources) [13:43] Looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/jYBjO772.html [13:45] hrm, looks like a known problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/292606 [13:45] Launchpad bug 292606 in nvidia-common "dkms - error when installing custom kernel" [Undecided,New] [13:57] anybody know how to get powerdevil to associate itself with the power button? I am failing miserably and the system just shuts down :/ [13:58] i have problem with turning off compiz [13:59] any one experience the samy problem or its only me? :) [13:59] Infecto, You failed to state the problem [14:00] setuid: so you dont understand me? :) [14:00] what are you replacing compiz with? [14:01] i just wan to turn off efects [14:01] i need flat desktop [14:01] without any extra things [14:01] like sliding etc [14:02] compiz dont have registered configuration tool [14:03] yeah, i'm jsut reopening that bug [14:05] ooh compiz updates.. are effects about to work again? [14:05] effects work fine here [14:06] works for some, doesn't for others.. they dont work for me since the nvidia update 2 days back [14:07] right. well, nvidia... [14:07] debian/patches/032_compiz_manager_add_gnomecompat: [14:07] - enable gnomecompat automatically in a gnome session [14:07] I'm a noob so gimme so slack ;) [14:08] * Hobbsee mutters something about nonfree hardware, and expecting brokenness. [14:09] hmmm [14:09] i love nvidia too ;) [14:11] * setuid solved his nvidia-common issue with custom kernel builds [14:11] woo === urkki is now known as Finnish [14:46] How do I disable Evolution notificator? === Teiseii is now known as Teisei [14:54] Finnish: in the session setup [14:55] Finnish: System -> Administrator or something like that...and then session [14:57] I can't find it! [14:57] Finnish my disappeared after an update [14:58] Finnish: from terminal issue gnome-session-properties...i think thats the correct command === humpback is now known as HumpBack [15:55] I have no touchpad scrolling in jaunty ... known bug? or do I need to file it? [15:58] humbolt, jaunty needs some HAL stuff for touchpad to work i think [15:58] since the synaptics config moved from xorg to hal [15:58] but dont ask me how :P === mvo_ is now known as mvo [16:36] <_MMA_> Can anyone tell me why I can run compiz with "fusion-icon" but not through Appearances Preferences->Visual Effects? [16:41] * CosmiChaos got back from "a cup of coffee for my keyboard." - i completely demontaged it, cleaned it, dried it, back i am ;) [16:42] hell there were stuff in in 8~{} [16:43] _MMA_: no idea, but ive never had the Appearances thing work properly while fusion-icon always has [16:54] any one installed ati driver on ubuntu9.04 jaunty. [16:55] i can't watch movies. [16:55] it's too slow on full screen mode [16:55] and my compiz not work [16:55] how [16:55] and when [16:56] to resove this problem [16:56] resolve [16:57] not sure, i have nvidia [16:57] but try changing output video in your player [16:57] Xv should work fine [16:57] your nvidia works? [16:57] yes [16:58] i hate ATI. === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [17:11] hi guys [17:11] just taken a sneek, while at work! [17:11] anything new? [17:17] not much, alpha5 out and so :) [17:19] BUGabundo, bored at the new job already? hehe [17:19] learning and getting used to all new stuff [17:19] not much to do yet [17:20] you got hired as sysadmin? [17:22] yes [17:22] gonna setup a new server (ubuntu maybe) [17:23] all it needs is LAMP [17:23] hehe spread it around :P [17:25] yep [17:25] * billybigrigger needs a job too [17:26] sucks i have to look into areas of work of which i have no expierience [17:26] at least on paper [17:27] * billybigrigger flips the bird to the oil patch!!! [17:27] haha kind of hard for an out of work Driller to try and find a job in an office somewhere haha kind of a bad time to be looking for a career change [17:28] 100's of thousands are in the same boat as me right now in canada [17:28] huge layoffs, i've been out of a job for over a month now [17:31] is it safe to assume that the bug with i845 or i865 video chipsets will be fixed by the time jaunty is released? [17:33] well i imagine they want it fixed before release yes === maco_ is now known as maco [17:35] would dhclient failing to accept leases after changing APs with the same ESSID until i unload & reload iwlagn be a bug in dhclient or iwlagn? [17:44] can you say "pwng"? :=) [17:50] jaunty pwnz! :) [17:51] runs well on edge [18:00] maco: or NM [18:00] BUGabundo: im not using NM [18:00] it breaks my session [18:01] if i use NM, i cant launch GUI apps [18:03] why might pulseaudio be running and accepting connections, but not playing any audio? [18:03] output via OSS works fine [18:04] killing the daemon and restarting has no effect [18:04] skyjumper: got your headphones plugged in or maybe speakers are off, heh? [18:05] 13:03 < skyjumper> output via OSS works fine [18:05] oh right ;> [18:05] maybe some OSS app still had the audio output locked? [18:05] then i wouldn't be able to use OSS, either [18:09] D: module-hal-detect.c: Loading module-alsa-sink with arguments 'device_id=0 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_8086_293e_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0 tsched=1' [18:09] E: module.c: Failed to open module "module-alsa-sink": file not found [18:11] does anyone know where I can get a copy of ConcourseSuite FOSS? === maco_ is now known as maco [18:24] hey, how do i set the owner of a folder recursively. nautilus cant do that :( [18:28] DrHalan: sudo chown -R dir [18:28] you missed a bit [18:29] chown -R user:group dir [18:29] DrHalan, chown -R [18:31] wow nice that worked thansk maco and BUGabundo :) [18:31] this bug seems to be open for a long time.. [18:32] duh slopy me [18:40] 1st day of new #job done! now gym ! [18:42] does anyone got powertop showing powerusage?? [18:44] mine doesnt work any idea? jaunty, intel c2d on xfx 630i geforce 7150 [18:44] Keine ACPI Stromverbrauch-Schätzung verfügbar [19:10] does anyone know why kopete no longer shows custom names to some of my contacts? I give everyone a first and last name. some of them no longer show it. why? [19:11] woohoo, compiz working.. nvidia driver working and no more blocky videos :D result [19:11] I'm getting auth. fail with KpackageKit in Kubuntu, it is sopposed to kdesu on start isn't it? [19:11] Numbers, i dont like compiz. it ruins most vos in some way or another [19:12] -vo xv sometimes has horrible issues with it. -vo gl* always has horrible issues [19:12] and -vo x11 isnt optimal [19:12] theholyduck, it makes me feel less boring :) [19:12] 'im guessing it doesnt play well with -vo vdpau aswell [19:12] but i havent tried that [19:26] how is the support for via chipsets [19:26] is there any improvments for supporting them [19:29] Has anyone managed to get eduroam working on the new default kubuntu network manager? [19:29] Or, for that matter, any 802.1x ("Dynamic WEP") system with a Phase2 auth? [19:37] Numbers: how You do this? simply up to date sys? [19:37] or some work around? === drostie_ is now known as drostie [20:00] how is the support for via chipsets? [20:02] my experience with via c7 was bad with 8.10 anyway. Via is mostly talk, little action when it comes to FOSS [20:03] not the cpu\ [20:03] there old chipset that uset to be good and widely used [20:04] this was the whole shebang, via everything [20:04] processor, chipset, gfx [20:06] python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed [20:06] E: Broken packages [20:06] Is python issue resolved yet ? [20:06] or some apps need to be rebuild against new version & [20:06] ? [20:08] Volkodav: I upgraded yesterday and everything was fine. [20:12] dist-upgrade you mean ? [20:14] I can not install some apps though that were removed [20:14] getting this error === maco_ is now known as maco [20:20] SwedeMike what version python do you have installed ? [20:23] 2.5.4-1ubuntu2, 2.6.1-1ubuntu1, 3.0.1-0ubuntu5 [20:23] sudo dpkg --list | grep -i libpython [20:23] ii libpython2.6 2.6.1-1ubuntu1 [20:28] Hello. How can I tell if I'm running the Intel i845 or i865 video chipsets before Jaunty tells me? [20:30] Hmm - I have same packages but the ones removed look like require older version ? What the solution may be ? [20:37] badp: have you tried 'lspci' ? [20:37] "Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)" [20:39] I don't know if the lack of those substrings means I'm not affected by that bug =/ [20:39] can someone please backport ktorrent 3.2? https://bugs.launchpad.net/intrepid-backports/+bug/330456 [20:39] Launchpad bug 330456 in intrepid-backports "Please backport KTorrent 3.2 on Intrepid" [Undecided,Incomplete] === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [20:46] please? [20:49] martijn81: You might try this process for getting it done: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#How%20to%20request%20new%20packages [20:50] Oh, yay, I am affected too. [20:50] OH_WELL Alpha 6 it is then. =/ [20:51] Thanks, later! [20:53] Infecto, I removed all nvidia related packages and then reinstalled, rebooted, then enabled the driver via hardware drivers, rebooted again and it worked [20:53] charlie-tca: there already is a bug for this [20:55] I see. Problem is Jaunty only has 2.2 and the bug is requesting 3.2 backported to intrepid. Can't backport a version that doesn't exist for Jaunty [21:00] !info ktorrent [21:00] ktorrent (source: ktorrent): BitTorrent client based on the KDE 4 technology platform. In component main, is optional. Version 3.2+dfsg.1-2ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 1620 kB, installed size 4472 kB [21:01] !info dropbox [21:01] Package dropbox does not exist in jaunty [21:01] !info nautilus-dropbox [21:01] Package nautilus-dropbox does not exist in jaunty [21:02] heh, just playing [21:02] in similar news, Jaunty broke dropbox [21:05] crdlb: thanks for the information. I confirmed the bug, so maybe it can happen [21:08] hmm I have 2.5.4 installed but why won't it see only 2.6.1 and won't install ? [21:09] that's strange [21:11] martijn81: bug is confirmed and backport team subscribed; may see action [21:11] Numbers, the dropbox beta works [21:19] bardyr, apparantly the recent gtk updates broke it again? [21:19] Numbers, im running dropbox with the latest updates [21:20] (but i have not restarted gdm yet) [22:09] ok. I have a teeensy problem [22:09] I went ahead and added ext4 to a laptop I'm fortunately not terribly attached to. [22:10] I now have a grub error on startup - I'd like to boot off a CD and do an fsck [22:10] but. that means I need a version of a jaunty CD with ext4 support [22:10] anyone can tell me where I can find such a thing? [22:11] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [22:12] or grab the latest alpha which will fit on CD [22:14] Volkodav: thanks [22:15] np [22:23] what should i apt-get to install support to play a wav fil eon the desktop? [22:25] anything should be able to play a wav :P [22:25] its just raw audio anyway [22:25] hmmbrings up totem on double click.. says video is in use by another program..... [22:26] totem is a shitty application though [22:26] i wouldnt trust it to do anything [22:26] lol what should I use for video ? audio? movie playing? [22:26] lol totem is the default htat was installed [22:26] hanasaki, well yes [22:26] because its easy [22:27] its also crap [22:27] mplayer with whatever frontend you need to be able to use it [22:27] except ubuntu ships a 2 year old mplayer [22:28] actually your BEST solution is probally the almost worse than totem media player called vlc [22:28] well thats no good... even +1 is the OLD version? === maco_ is now known as maco [22:29] hanasaki, yes :P [22:29] because mplayer doesnt DO release [22:29] s [22:29] and everyone refuses to package a svn [22:29] actually mplayer MIGHT blurt out a version soon. but i doubt it will be included [22:30] and then you're left with vlc [22:30] wich is full of weird bugs. and horrible performance [22:30] -_- [22:30] really. ubuntu sucks at multimedia [22:30] * crdlb likes totem [22:31] always has. always will. [22:31] bummer [22:31] maybe I should go back to debian? [22:31] hanasaki, well if you're willing to risk it [22:31] it does all the little things right, like disabling the screensaver [22:31] debian-multimedia :P [22:31] in ubuntu that is [22:32] it gives up to dateish mplayer [22:32] thanks folks [22:37] Volkodav: hm. 710MiB won't fit on an 80 minute CD - do I need to turn on overburning? [22:38] I'm going to go with "yes" CDs are cheap :) [22:39] you can get regular size here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-5/jaunty-desktop-i386.iso [22:41] in case your overburn вщуы тще цщкл [22:42] does not work I meant* [22:42] :) [22:42] I was about to paste that into google translate [22:45] Hi, can someone help me troubleshoot a network problem please: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/336674 [22:45] Launchpad bug 336674 in atl2 "No network after putting Jaunty on EeePC 900" [Undecided,New] [23:01] I can't help but think that a huge mistake was made by removing the logout, restart and shutdown items from the 'System' menu :/ [23:04] i cant help but think that every ubuntu + 1 has been -1 in terms of usability for geeks :P but that doesnt mean anyone is going to do anything about it [23:04] :p [23:04] 8.10 seems to randomly crash for me for example :P [23:05] compiz is not starting on gnome startup even there is no errors while running it manually ! [23:05] i didnt even NOTICE before now though. since i dont really use ubuntu [23:06] theholyduck: well, if you want to configure everything yourself, I don't think ubuntu is the right place to go. I grew bored of running linux on my desktop in 1998, I came back because of ubuntu about a year ago [23:07] editing xorg.conf (XF86Config back then) wasn't fun 1995, it wasn't fun 2005 either [23:07] SwedeMike, really? [23:07] but with ubuntu most things just work out of the box [23:07] if i put in a ubuntu install cd and boot up now [23:07] it will "autodetect and autoconfigure" my graphics card [23:08] and then feel mighty smart as it displays a black screen [23:08] until i drop into terminal and edit xorg.conf [23:08] :P [23:08] and make it invalid or add the correct driver line [23:08] so ubuntu can pick a WORKING graphics driver [23:08] well, 9.04 works for me on my thinkpad X200, 7.10 worked out of the box on my old laptop (centrino/intel graphics based) [23:09] SwedeMike, i've never had a box where i DIDNT have to tinkle to make ubuntu work [23:09] my thinkpad works correctly with empty xorg.conf [23:09] thus i always use a distro that encourage tinkering [23:09] theholyduck: well, that was my idea of all linux until I ran into ubuntu. [23:09] SwedeMike, well i ALWAYS have to tinkle a bit anyway [23:09] because I tried to install debian etch and it wouldn't start up properly.. lenny actually seems to work when I tried it, even for graphics [23:09] i just installed ubuntu 8.10 to do some package testing [23:10] I keep meaning to give gentoo another try now that the install doesn't take a week, lol [23:10] Numbers, dont :P [23:10] 8.10 won't use correct display resolution on my x200, but works fairly well in most other aspects [23:10] the only people who are worse at packaging than ubuntu [23:10] is gentoo :P [23:10] seriously. the people maintaining ebuilds should be shot [23:10] * bruce89 can't stand dialogues [23:10] heh.. lfs was my next bet [23:10] anyone know why I can no longer see IRQs listed in process lists? top and ps used to show IRQs and corresponding PIDs but not now [23:10] Numbers, if you WANT compile from source distro [23:10] well, I like debian and ubuntu, sticking with that. debian on my server(s), ubuntu on the desktops [23:11] take a look at lunar :P [23:11] its packaged by lesser idiots [23:11] and everything is written in bash so its easy to work with [23:11] SwedeMike, we object to Debian on our servers at work.. a lot of the packages seemed way behind [23:12] when i use debian i always stick with unstable [23:12] though testing is fine for most peopl [23:12] Numbers: debian lenny should be fairly up to date... but yes, debian aims for stability, not state of the art. [23:12] SwedeMike, lenny is stable now :P [23:12] it had a painfully old php version too, which caused all sorts of problems as we were developing on a newer version [23:12] theholyduck: I know. [23:12] you want squeeze [23:12] Any distro recommendations if I can't get networking on my EeePC900 running Jaunty? [23:12] theholyduck: no, I don't. [23:12] david_, go back down to intrepid then [23:13] SwedeMike, well you WOULD want sqeeuze as debian will turn ooold :P [23:13] *stable [23:13] * theholyduck goes back to his debootstraping install [23:13] david_, a couple of friends of mine are having trouble with networkmanager, could be that [23:13] theholyduck: I was running etch up until two months ago, it worked fine. you apply some backports etc so you get the new anti-virus/spam stuff, and it's quite stable. [23:14] SwedeMike, well yes. but its very annoying for desktop use [23:14] * theholyduck uses unstable with exprimental and svn builds [23:14] theholyduck: quite, 18-24 months release cycle is a pain if you want newer hw, but for a server that you use for 3-4 years it's perfect. [23:14] Numbers: any pointers for troubleshooting networking? [23:14] SwedeMike, well it doesnt HAVE a release cycle [23:14] the point of debian is no release cycle :) [23:14] david_, no.. mine just works [23:15] theholyduck: well, they seem to aim for 18-24 months anyway. [23:15] SwedeMike, no. it just turns stable then :P [23:15] anyways, bed time.. getting late here and I need to be able to get up for a day at work tomorrow [23:15] laters [23:15] Numbers: Lucky you ;-) [23:15] SwedeMike, a new stable wont be released untill all bugs in testing is worked out [23:15] basiclyt [23:15] if it takes 4 years. then it will take 4 years [23:15] theholyduck: "all"? so the 100 release critical left in lenny is "all"? [23:16] SwedeMike, well within limitations :P [23:16] it should work on all arcs aswell obviously [23:16] but it makes it stagnate horribly [23:16] Volkodav: http://www.georgebashi.com/2009/02/05/ext4-jaunty-and-grub/ - looks like that is my problem [23:16] theholyduck: stable. [23:16] Volkodav: perhaps I need to make a /boot partition :( [23:16] it might be boring, but it's stable. [23:17] SwedeMike, but even ubuntu has a tendency to stagnate [23:17] stagnate how? [23:17] SwedeMike, refusing upgrades because applying them would be messy :P [23:18] well, after they've released nothing should be changed. [23:18] any idea how to make compiz run on startup ? it was running on startup before upgrading from intrepid [23:18] SwedeMike, even if there are MASSIVE improvemnts in upgrades? [23:18] theholyduck: security fixes should be applied, but nothing else. it should be improved for the next release instead. [23:18] SwedeMike, but thats 6 months away :P [23:18] etc [23:18] :P [23:19] theholyduck: well, it's obvious that debian unstable is perfect for you. [23:19] true :D [23:19] some packages cant handle 2 weeks of stagnation [23:19] months of it is really really bad [23:19] what packages might that be? [23:19] SwedeMike, x264 ffmpeg and to some degree mplayer [23:19] all have super fast developement [23:20] well, then you'd better build your own svn build environment and use that instead [23:20] where 2 weeks is the difference between working and totally broken :P [23:20] SwedeMike, but that breaks ubuntu packaging :P [23:20] you can make packages of it. [23:20] since ffmpeg in ubuntu is compiled as 20 d.ebs [23:20] *debs [23:20] and packaging like that is a pain [23:20] you COULD make your own /usr/local/binversion [23:20] well, keeping up with those projects is a pain. [23:20] since that will override the ubuntu one [23:21] mplayer is a mess. [23:21] SwedeMike, admitedly [23:21] but its fast and stable [23:21] and the best mediaplayer around [23:21] absolutely, but the whole project is a total mess. [23:21] its a bloody mess. but a bloody mess that WORKS [23:22] but it's even hard to compile properly. [23:22] SwedeMike, you dont need to tell me about that. im working on a ubuntu ppa rep :P [23:22] i got ffmpeg, x264, xvid, and faac to compile correctly and reliably [23:22] that works with ubuntu and follows ubuntu packaging guidelines [23:23] but mplayer is alot harder to crack [23:24] ok. now that I'm back in my friggen system. [23:24] let me try his suggestion for updating grub [23:28] evening all...quick question..any way to get the latest version of Wine running under Jaunty? [23:32] is it possible to downgrade to 8.10? [23:32] from 9.04 [23:32] as in, from Jaunty to Interpid [23:32] !downgrade [23:33] Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system. [23:33] well 9.04 broke my system as it is [23:33] It's probably possible, but would be tedious, and your installation wouldn't work at the end of it. [23:33] Royall: back up your data and reinstall from scratch. [23:33] I can't even start nautilus to back up data [23:34] Boot from a LiveCD, mount the Jaunty partition, back up your data, and reinstall. [23:34] hm, that could work, thanks [23:34] Royall, also is not advised to use an alpha version with important data... [23:34] to late [23:34] anyone here by chance have an antec earthwatts 380w PSU? [23:36] billybigrigger: I have the same brand, but in 500w [23:39] oh [23:39] was just wondering what video card i can power with the 380w [23:39] billybigrigger: ask in ##hardware [23:40] it only has 17a and 15a on the 12v, but ive been reading people are powering 9800's and new ati 48x series cards with this psu which is hard to believe [23:40] k thanks rww i will