[00:11] <jussi01> topyli: you here?
[00:11] <jussi01> or Tm_T?
[00:13] <nikrud> lair?
[00:14] <jussi01> hehe
[00:28] <Flannel> nikrud: well, ops don't hang out just anywhere you know.
[00:29] <nikrud> no, only in fetid lairs, I gues
[00:30] <jdong_> ugh. I said we would REVISIT in 2 weeks
[00:30] <jdong_> not unban.
[00:30] <jdong_> probably at the bottom of my priority queue for my busy day...
[00:42] <LjL> jdong_: what's at the top, picking your nose or eating your nails?
[00:43] <nikrud> hm, maybe Madpilot chose the right descriptor
[00:43] <Madpilot> I wrote "poking", not "picking"
[00:44] <nikrud> either fits with fetid lairs
[00:45] <jdong_> LjL: a mountain of homework
[00:45] <LjL> jdong_: hey, DON'T put the results of your nose picking on your homework paper!
[00:46] <LjL> (am i starting to sound a bit like mneptok perhaps?)
[00:46] <Pricey> you wish
[00:46] <Pici> (not yet)
[00:46] <LjL> (cool)
[00:47] <jdong_> you need to work a bit below the waistline.
[00:47] <LjL> jdong_: is that a hair glued to your homework paper by means of your nose picking product?
[00:48] <Madpilot> LjL, you'd need to say things like that far, far more often to start really sounding like mneptok 
[00:48] <jdong_> LjL: it's nature's organic adhesive.
[00:48] <jdong_> now that's more mneptokish
[00:48] <LjL> your remark - yes it is
[00:49]  * nikrud considers a new game show: mneptok this!
[00:53] <jdong_> hmm I don't get how this "cheating" thing is supposed to work.
[00:53] <jdong_> so I have this kid's solutions in front of me.
[00:53] <jdong_> and just about intensely disagree with every other sentence.
[00:53]  * jdong_ wikipedias cheating
[00:55] <jussi01> jdong_: rofl!!
[00:56] <jdong_> I think it's like telephone.
[00:56] <jdong_> or a perpetual motion device
[00:56] <jdong_> where a small perturbance of BS self-amplifies to a genetic strain of LaTeX writeups
[00:57] <jdong_> of course, PRETTY wrong answers are better than hastily scribbled ones
[01:14] <LjL> as much of a troll as shizuo is, i disagree on that deserving an ops call
[01:14] <LjL> ... although the later one does
[01:16] <DBO> LjL, probably could have gotten him back in line by derailing the touchy conversation too
[01:16] <LjL> DBO: right but i had already kicked him from #ubuntu just earlier (and in a couple other occasions too), all he did in -ot was basically troll all the time, and the lesbian thing was just a tad over it
[01:17] <DBO> LjL, ah in that case
[01:17] <LjL> by the way... PM for the giggles
[01:17] <LjL> [02:15:12] <Shizuo> ARE YOU A LEZBO? [02:15:17] <LjL> yeah [02:15:23] <Shizuo> Wow, nice [02:15:28] <Shizuo> An italian men-lezbo [02:15:39] <Shizuo> That's howt
[01:17] <DBO> heheh
[01:17] <DBO> LjL, I thought I should probably let you know
[01:17] <DBO> I am in a position to ramp up my opping again =)
[01:18] <DBO> Docky is released and public so no more long nights hacking alone =P
[01:18] <LjL> so i can just disappear for a couple of months again safe in the knowledge there actually are ops?
[01:18] <DBO> yeah =)
[01:20] <DBO> general observation
[01:20] <DBO> the #ubuntu channel is actually less rowdy as far as trolling goes than 3 years ago when it was much smaller
[01:21] <LjL> possibly... it's also (imho) worsened in help quality though
[01:21] <DBO> LjL, i wouldn't know about that to be honest
[01:21] <DBO> I have not had to ask for help in months
[01:22] <DBO> though that is probably suggestive of a more general user base
[01:23] <LjL> mostly i'd say that anything that can't be answered with a factoid tends to not get answered at all
[01:24] <LjL> which may go to prove that we have comprehensive factoids, but
[01:24] <DBO> hmmm
[01:24] <DBO> I think user based support tends to fall apart as a product matures
[01:27] <LjL> yeah i think possibly there should be closer contact between the regular helpers and some developers
[01:29] <DBO> i think that sounds reasonable
[01:47] <nickrud> LjL, you're totally right about the help level. go to contacts would make a big difference. Hard to do without being annoying for the go to's, though
[01:49] <LjL> nickrud: they'd have to opt in and somehow have some assurance that they can freely ignore questions they can't be arsed with
[01:49] <nickrud> maybe an invite only channel as the interface
[01:50] <LjL> nickrud, -meta was pretty much based on that concept but it just didn't catch on
[01:50] <nickrud> and of course, us lazy helpers need to make better efforts at keeping up with changes. 
[01:51] <LjL> nickrud: sure, it would help, though, if the ones making the changes would make some high-level documentation about them - not *user* documentation on how to practically do stuff, but *helper* documentation on how something's basic architecture is like
[01:52] <LjL> like, to cite an example i've already overused, i know that "some" X settings "mostly" to do with input devices have "moved" from xorg.conf to "somewhere" in the HAL config
[01:52] <LjL> but that's a bit vague
[01:53] <nickrud> yep. I pretty much avoid X now, except for basics. 
[01:53] <LjL> same here, i just won't tell someone asking about resolutions or refresh rates anything
[01:53] <LjL> because i know i'm not "supposed" to just tell them to stick a line in xorg.conf anymore
[01:54] <LjL> but what i *am* supposed to tell me beats me
[01:54] <Pici> !x
[01:54] <nickrud> heh. res issues, if it's more than the monitor's rates not getting reported correctly I just throw up my hands. But that's also a function of things working so well
[01:55] <nickrud> I always learned because things needed fixing or configuring. I haven't had to do any but superficial stuff for a couple years and it shows
[01:56] <LjL> nickrud: that's also true, but isn't that just because you've had a working Ubuntu install for a while and it just keeps working? i suspect it's not all working so smoothly for new users
[01:57] <nickrud> LjL, yes. wireless and sound for all too many. Also things I've not had issues with since gutsy.
[01:58] <nickrud> wireless less so, sound changes radically (it seems) nearly every release
[01:58] <LjL> unless you're on kde
[01:58] <LjL> ewll, unless you're on kde 3.5
[01:58] <LjL> i think i mean - unless you've stuck to hardy for too long
[01:59] <nickrud> which reminds me, time to try a jaunty install on a spare partition. Down to less than 2 months
[01:59] <LjL> there's a few things i should try out but haven't the disk space to...
[02:00] <LjL> jaunty is one, but kde 4.2 as well
[02:00] <LjL> and, erm, windows 7
[02:00] <LjL> (and for that matter, i've never touched vista either, although i'm not sure i'm losing much)
[02:01] <nickrud> should try both. probably will windows 7 not sure about kde. It's always seemed 'wrong' somehow. probably a personal failing
[02:02] <nalioth> more cancer causing eye candy
[02:02] <nalioth> windoze isnt' getting 'better', y'all
[02:02] <nickrud> !best | nalioth 
[02:02] <LjL> nalioth: at least it isn't getting worse - like kde
[02:02] <tritium> nalioth: I'm heading your direction this evening.
[02:02] <LjL> wait... it is
[02:02] <tritium> (sort of)
[02:03] <nalioth> tritium: Roswell?
[02:03] <LjL> at least in windows they've added some eye candy and mostly retained what was there
[02:03] <LjL> in kde 4, they've added eye candy and removed everything else
[02:04] <nickrud> 1.4 -> 2.0 gnome was the same, don't hold that against them. It may be a good move in the long run.
[02:04]  * nalioth uses enlightenment 17 and wishes he could figure out frame buffer graphics . . 
[02:04] <nickrud> ummm, sliding desktops .....
[02:04] <nickrud> That is something I really miss from my first ever linux desktop
[02:05] <LjL> nickrud: did also the gnome 2.0 featured changelogs have things like "entirely new cube effect in kwin" and "plasma widgets can finally be rotated"?
[02:05] <tritium> With the impending devaluation of the dollar, I'm switchign to all-terminal, so I can run on old hardware and not buy a new one for decades.  ;)
[02:05] <LjL> nickrud: sliding desktops?
[02:05] <nickrud> LjL, e17 
[02:05] <LjL> sounds amiga-ish
[02:06] <tritium> switching, even
[02:06] <nalioth> e17 is wonderful
[02:06] <nickrud> think of them as vertically stacked, you can slide them aside fully or partially to expose lower desktops
[02:06] <LjL> nickrud: then exactly like the amiga
[02:06] <LjL> nickrud: (except on the amiga they could each have a different resolution and color depth)
[02:07] <nickrud> I missed the amiga bandwagon, more business oriented at the time. 
[02:08] <LjL> nickrud: they're called "screens" in amigaos, a screen has a titlebar with a "depth" gadget on the right which you can click to bring the next screen to the foreground, and if you drag and drop on the title bar, you move the screen vertically (and horizontally, if its virtual size is larger than the actual display size)
[02:09] <LjL> nickrud: the underlaying screen, however, can be an entirely different resolution than the one you're dragging. only thing is this probably wouldn't be possibly on today's monitors (especially LCD ones) - and even less so on today's graphics cards
[02:09] <tritium> LjL: your middle shrunk back to just one "j".  Jenny Craig?  Hacker's diet?  South Beach?
[02:09] <nickrud> purpose build gpu's huh?
[02:10] <LjL> nickrud: eh, no one called it a "GPU" back then... but of course, they had their own custom chipset - that's what it was called
[02:10] <LjL> tritium: i'm on my deeesktop now.
[02:11] <LjL> nickrud: basically, there was a chip that could be programmed to automatically do stuff (without involving the CPU) when the raster reached a certain line - stuff such as change the registers that contained resolution and depth
[02:12] <LjL> nickrud: the system used that to implement sliding screens, but also games and programs used it for all sorts of reasons - mostly to get more colors on the screen, at the end of the day
[02:12] <nickrud> heh. scary for the crt :)
[02:12] <LjL> nickrud: maybe for today's crts it would be, but the ones that were used those days couldn't really care less
[02:13] <LjL> nickrud: at least, the TV that i used as a monitor didn't ;)
[02:15] <nickrud> crappy tolerances, flexible display I guess
[02:16]  * nickrud makes a note that LjL does love his amigas
[02:16] <nickrud> ;)
[02:17] <LjL> nickrud: of course i do. i'd still be using it if, uhm, it had memory protection, were open source, and had any decent programs left.
[02:17] <LjL> nickrud: it's not asking for too much is it
[02:17] <nickrud> nah, sounds like a project :)
[02:18] <LjL> nickrud: the project is there already, it's called AROS, but they don't want to get memory protection stuck in - i tried, but i gave up because i can only use gdb so long as i don't get a messed up stack frame
[02:18] <LjL> nickrud: and as for the programs, well, i'm not the one to write word processors or web browsers i'm afraid
[02:18] <nickrud> why no memory protection, it's almost a requirement for multitasking
[02:19] <nickrud> *safe multitasking
[02:19] <LjL> nickrud: because it's an ages-old amiga meme that "proper memory protection just can't be added without breaking everything"
[02:20] <LjL> nickrud: which is possibly even true, but how much of "everything" is there? there's hardly any useful programs left, and the ones there are aren't open source so won't run on x86, and the OS was rewritten from scratch
[02:20] <nickrud> I could be convinced that's true. I did once read a book about amiga os ;) and what I took away was everything was linked lists. Might be hard to tack protection into that
[02:20] <LjL> nickrud: it's hard alright, a good few parts of the system assume programs can just write stuff into the system's list
[02:21] <nickrud> hah. Well, thats a wonderful thing there
[02:21] <LjL> nickrud: but not so much that you can't change it... the developers weren't entirely crazy after all, there even is a MEMF_PUBLIC flag for AllocMem() that's intended to declare a region of memory as public. it never *did* anything, but the docs do say it's important to use it properly for "future memory protection"
[02:22] <LjL> nickrud: which, of course, means that *no* application developer ever used it properly. but so what, applications have to be ported anyway
[02:22] <LjL> nickrud: if on the other hand you were asking why there was no memory protection in the first place... well, MMUs cost
[02:23] <nickrud> yeah, the 
[02:23] <nickrud> $1000 amiga idea (although the good ones always cost more iirc)
[02:24] <LjL> they did
[02:24] <LjL> nickrud: there's also speed concerns. memory protection *does* slow things down. it's worth it, but it was arguably not worth it on a 7MHz 68000
[02:24] <nickrud> you gotta remember that in the 80's & early 90's I lived in Seattle. Wintel was god there and then
[02:24] <LjL> nickrud: consider that not only do you need to shuffle MMU tables around, but you also have to put safety checks in every system function for memory protection to make sense at all
[02:25] <LjL> s/safety checks/sanity checks/
[02:25] <nickrud> 7 mhz. God, I'd forgotten how slow stuff was then. Even C programs had hand crafted assembler for recurrent loops
[02:26] <LjL> nickrud: for that matter AmigaOS (AmigaDOS, specifically) has bits of BCPL code in it...
[02:27] <LjL> nickrud: now it doesn't, and AROS doesn't, but it still needs to support BCPL-style pointers for API compatibility. a BCPL pointer being a pointer somehow crammed into one byte, basically
[02:27] <nickrud> has to have an offset somewhere, or you're pretty limited
[02:28] <nickrud> had to do a quick google for bcpl so I really have no clue about it
[02:28] <LjL> nickrud: yeah i don't remember just how they work exactly, and i don't honestly even care - i'd rather pretend they don't exist
[02:29] <LjL> nickrud: well, in a nutshell, there was BCPL, B was a simpler version of it, and then they made C
[02:29] <nickrud> one byte pointers remind me of 6502, the only one I actually got good at machine code. I remember when we first got MACROS for it :)
[02:31] <LjL> nickrud: i've had a C64 but never messed with assembly, was too young to even really know what it was... more recently i played with Z80 assembly for fun. i have betrayed the 6502 by doing that, i guess... but it deserves it. what an ugly instruction set.
[02:31] <nickrud> you're telling me?
[02:31] <nickrud> hahahahahahhahahahahahhahaha
[02:32] <LjL> just sayin'
[02:32] <LjL> the Z80 makes sense.
[02:32] <LjL> not that i actually programmed in its assembly... i just attempted to write an OS in C, obviously had to put some bits and pieces of assembly in it
[02:33] <LjL> but in the process i did stumble upon the 6502 counterpart, and it's just... on a different level
[02:34] <nickrud> yeah, I know. When I got a c compiler (actually an interpreter, but that's another story) i was able to get away from assembler for all but really time critical stuff. But soon after I moved to 8086 and 68000 based systems and used C exclusively (except for a proprietary machine control language written in C)
[02:35] <nickrud> But that was 20 years ago. things have changed radically and I don't think for the worse overall
[02:36] <LjL> nickrud: i'm not sure, i can't honestly say they've changed for the better from a *user's* point of view. for the developer, maybe.
[02:37] <LjL> nickrud: but then again somehow i feel more at home trying to write an OS for the Z80, where i know i *can* know what every single instruction is doing, then learning some complicated and extravagant APIs, such as GUI APIs for instance
[02:37] <nickrud> hah. ah, gui api's and my abandonment of paid programming are intimately related :)
[02:38] <LjL> nickrud: i've never been paid to program to begin with, but anyway i seem have my doors irrevocably shut on learning those things. which is kind of limiting, sometimes i'd like to, you know, get some stuff shown on the screen as opposed to saved into a text file...
[02:39] <LjL> at least i could do that on AmigaBASIC without learning, oh, how to create an application instance, a top-level window instance, a drawable instance...
[02:39] <nickrud> there's always visual basic for you :)
[02:39] <LjL> an event driver, an object-oriented communication interface, a GUI toolkit instantiation...
[02:40] <LjL> nickrud: yeah - and i've used it, and contrary to most, i've no shame in admitting it
[02:40] <LjL> ... but then VB is braindead in a number of other ways
[02:40] <nickrud> there is none. sooner or later there'll be one for gnome or kde; I'm sure there are kids working on them for fun right now and one will probably mature
[02:41] <LjL> nickrud: there's one for kde
[02:41] <LjL> !info gambas
[02:41] <LjL> or perhaps there isn't
[02:41] <nickrud> I've read about gambas, but nothing saying it's more than a nice toy for most purposes
[02:41] <LjL> !info gambas2
[02:41] <LjL> nickrud: so is VB...?
[02:41] <nickrud> yep
[02:42] <nickrud> they need to change the name, kambas or some such. they're in the wrong namespace
[02:43] <LjL> nickrud: still, say for instance - some time ago i wanted to have some fun with genetic programming, and have colored pixels somewhat akin to bacteria moving on the screen. now, where did i give up? of course at the having pixels move on the screen in X part.
[02:44] <LjL> and on the other hand, stuff like VB doesn't help with that, either, because it's a clumsy interpreter for a clumsy language where i could never do any genetic programming interpreter
[02:44] <LjL> but hell, all i was asking for was to have a window to draw single pixels on!
[02:44] <nickrud> is visual c any better now? I used it a bit, or it's predecessor, version 1.0 for a bit. 
[02:44] <LjL> no idea
[02:45] <nickrud> windriver? I vaguely remember that as my primary compiler back then
[02:45] <LjL> i only used VB as far as microsoft stuff goes
[02:45] <LjL> when i started using C, i did that on linux
[02:45] <nickrud> heh. It's still around
[02:46] <nickrud> specialized though, embedded chips it looks like
[02:47] <nickrud> dinnertime, catch up with you later LjL 
[05:02] <bazhang> @login
[05:26] <Myrtti> good mornin
[05:26] <bazhang> hi Myrtti !
[05:27] <bazhang> a windows server in wine? that is odd
[05:28] <bazhang> oh its daft_punk
[06:08] <Flannel> cactusfrog: troll or... horribly bad at spelling
[06:12] <Myrtti> oh my gawd
[06:23] <nickrud> cactufrog = annoying, doesn't listen, but not calculating therefore <> troll
[06:25] <nickrud> tritium, you about? I have an epic troll for you
[06:25] <nickrud> political, hence not appropriate here
[06:39] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell ivanoats|away about away
[06:53] <Myrtti> @bansearch probot
[06:56] <Mez> lmao - my laptops being delivered by armoured guards? 
[06:57] <Myrtti> Mez: that's because they are going to do a search on you first before giving it to you
[06:57] <Flannel> Mez: Obviously its already got all of your sensitive information on it.
[06:57] <nickrud> it's just a front so they can get you in their clutches
[06:57] <Myrtti> "color of briefs: purple"
[06:57] <Mez> I'm not going to be taking delivery of it
[06:57] <Mez> Myrtti: :P
[06:57] <Mez> it's actually grey today :D
[06:58]  * Myrtti sods off to make a reservation to the laundrette
[06:58] <nickrud> ew, wash them!! /me does mnemtok
[06:58]  * Mez wont be here to take delivery, but it says on tracking "passed to securicor"
[06:58] <Mez> nickrud: fresh out the dryer :D these ones are meant to be grey
[06:59] <nickrud> reservation of laundrette. I read that in a Mankell novel, and still find it amazing
[07:10] <Myrtti> nickrud: what's so amazing?
[07:11] <nickrud> that reservations are necessary or available; I'm assuming an apartment building? There's no way you could enforce a reservation system here
[07:11] <Myrtti> yeah, apartment building laundrette, shared by two buildings
[07:12] <Myrtti> they've started to charge the other building people for drying their clothes, one euro for one hour
[07:13] <Myrtti> doing my laundry at the laundrette is so much easier and faster than if I had my own washing machine
[07:13] <nickrud> that's how it's done here, both wash and dry. roughly the same cost. 
[07:14] <nickrud> oh, I miss my washer/dryer combo. Toss the laundry in the washer before heading off to work, toss it in the dryer when I get home. 
[07:14] <Myrtti> we have only the drying room
[07:14] <Myrtti> actually, two of them
[07:18] <Tm_T> jussi01: yes?
[07:42] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[07:54] <Tm_T> coffee with "energy drink"
[07:55] <Tm_T> and double dose of meds
[09:40] <Myrtti> I'm getting done with DaemonFC soon
[09:40] <Myrtti> just so you know
[09:43] <Tm_T> in u ?
[09:43] <Tm_T> hi Seper how can we help you?
[09:43] <ikonia> I've just forwarded him here
[09:43]  * jussi01 prods ikonia
[09:44] <ikonia> just to make it clear that #ubuntu is not discriminating against langauges, there are seperate lanaguage channels, hence ubuntu are not language naztis
[09:44] <ikonia> and the phrase natzi - is not really called for or welcome in ubuntu channels
[09:44] <ikonia> Seper: does that make sense to you ?
[09:45] <Seper> yes
[09:45] <ikonia> ok, so I'll remove the ban, but please just think about what you say in ubuntu channels
[09:46] <ikonia> Seper: the ban has been removed, as has the mute, you're welcome to leave this channel and re-join #ubuntu
[09:46] <Seper> ok
[09:46] <Myrtti> have a nice day and thanks for flying with Ubuntu
[09:47] <Seper> thanks
[09:50] <jussi01> !idle | Seper
[09:53] <Myrtti> ok folks
[09:53] <Myrtti> I'm really getting fed up with DaemonFC
[09:53] <Myrtti> topyli
[09:56] <elky> Myrtti, i was fed up with him 5 minutes after he first joined the channel
[09:56] <Myrtti> I'm not taking his crap for much longer so I'm going to kick him to kingdom come the next chance I get
[09:57] <topyli> i'm also waiting for him to say something smart again
[10:35] <ish2> rww in #ubuntu told me to tell you that i came up with a short-term bad idea of putting #ubuntu-offtopic in the topic of #ubuntu, so people like me don't go mouthing off about nothing in there
[10:38]  * Myrtti blinks
[10:41] <ikonia> ish2: so few people read the topic I don't think it would make a difference to the ammount of moderation needed
[10:41] <ish2> you've got me there
[10:42] <ish2> but then at least you could point to it all the time, keep off the grass means little to me when it's not posted
[10:43] <ikonia> ish2: most people respect being told about the offtopic channel
[10:43] <ikonia> ish2: refering to the topic or telling people the about it is the same ammount of effort
[10:46] <ish2> i can spam the message every 2 minutes for a low low fee of $.02 cents an hour!
[10:46] <ikonia> ok, well thanks for the suggestion
[10:46] <ish2> you can't afford not to?
[10:46] <ikonia> ish2: anything else you need help with ?
[10:46] <ish2> no, i'll be on my way, thx
[10:46] <ikonia> thanks for the feedback
[10:48] <Myrtti> was that random, or do I just imagine it?
[10:49] <ikonia> just trying to be helpful I guess
[10:50] <bazhang> the number of folks who dont know where to download ubuntu is surprising
[10:50] <bazhang> and that is in the topic iirc
[11:07] <jussi01> who actually reads the topic anyway?
[11:07]  * Myrtti smacks jussi01 
[11:07] <jussi01> hehe
[11:07] <Myrtti> infidel
[11:07] <jussi01> /slap Myrtti
[11:08] <bazhang> psufan of 'I want to install ubuntu on my bmw through midi port' was at it in another linux channel
[11:09] <jussi01> hrm, this is weird... my irc works fine, but web adresses keep getting page load errors...
[11:09] <Myrtti> jussi01: dns problems then
[11:09] <jussi01> ahh
[11:09] <ikonia> jussi01: proxu is dead
[11:09] <ikonia> proxy
[11:10] <jussi01> Ill have to ask ikonia about it
[11:10] <bazhang> I always restart my router in those cases
[11:10] <ikonia> jussi01: make sure proxy is disabled
[11:10] <jussi01> ikonia: not using the proxy
[11:10] <jussi01> ikonia: Im in the uk... no need :D
[11:11] <Myrtti> if webpages don't work but irc does, it's usually a sign of dns problems, ie. connections that are already established remain as their domain names are already resolved, but new ones fail as name resolution has crapped out
[11:11] <Myrtti> happened at COSS all the time, but the infrastructure used Cisco, so what can you expect.
[11:12] <Myrtti> for it to work? BWHAHAHAHA
[11:12] <Myrtti> sorry.
[11:22] <jussi01> is sarcasm really evil?
[11:22] <elky> if so, i'm going to the deepest level of hell.
[11:24] <elky> * rww 05:48:45> makes pizza from scratch, is a pizza elitist <-- w00t! someone found a way to avoid the 'Soup N***' reference all by himself!
[12:39] <Myrtti> Tm_T: when are you due south the next time?
[12:40] <jussi01> oh dear...
[12:40] <jussi01> lovely guy asking why his ddos attack failed...
[12:40] <Myrtti> where?!
[12:40] <jussi01> #k
[12:41] <Myrtti> oh boy
[12:45] <ikonia> interesitng, if I'm cloaked and I do a /who on my ip it doesn't show me on line
[12:45] <ikonia> I thought a cloak hid your IP but did not prevent queries on it
[12:46]  * jussi01 gently nudges ikonia
[12:53] <Pici> bazhang: I have him in pm, and hes making no sense.
[12:54] <bazhang> Pici, I re-directed him but actionparsnip wanted to help him
[12:54] <bazhang> little does he know of the sometimes errant nature of the -ru participants
[12:56] <bazhang> lovely
[12:56] <jussi01> I got sick of it...
[12:56] <bazhang> and he's back
[12:56] <Pici> Maybe he can behave this time
[12:57] <jussi01> lets see
[12:57] <bazhang> I bet no
[13:04] <Myrtti> I wish ActionParsnip would snip his eagerness to help and withdraw from action when there's a suspicion about foul play
[13:04] <bazhang> con wifi?
[13:04] <bazhang> that sounds fishy tbh
[13:04] <Myrtti> one example yes
[13:04]  * Pici agrees
[13:06] <Myrtti> I've got a nasty answer to this:
[13:06] <Myrtti> [15:06] < Riya> actionParisnip I did that all but i can't browse net i am  geting server not fount msg . wat i do /
[13:07] <bazhang> o/
[13:07] <Myrtti> "tough shit, kid. How about you find some other way to connect to the internet instead of trying to crack the staff wifi"
[13:07] <Myrtti> "oops"
[13:08] <Myrtti> if he's connected to the internet right now, then why would he need to connect specifically to the staff wifi...
[13:10] <Myrtti> I'm an AWFUL PERSON
[13:11] <Myrtti> speaking of which
[13:11] <Myrtti> Tm_T: when you're coming south or when I'm coming over to see you, I'm going to give Ronja my polar bear plushies.
[13:12] <bazhang> is amigimaia wildly offtopic, or am I just having a bad day
[13:13] <Myrtti> bazhang: he's not wildly offtopic, but a bit off the track
[13:13] <bazhang> or c) both   :)
 what is aircrack ?
[13:14] <bazhang> :/
[13:19] <Myrtti> riya's english is so broken it's just awful
[13:21] <Dave2> .wein 686
[13:22] <Myrtti> a perfect example how people whose native language isn't English shouldn't even try with "U" "r" "l8r" and so on
[13:22] <Myrtti> Dave2: DOUBLE FAIL
[13:22] <Dave2> Myrtti: always :(
[13:22] <Dave2> (though double?)
[13:22] <Dave2> oh, the . and e
[13:22] <Dave2> I do appear t ofail \o/
[13:23] <Dave2> ... *gives up, wants sleep*
[13:23] <jussi01> Epic fail!
[13:23] <Myrtti> c-c-c-combo breaker!
[13:35]  * Myrtti hides from IceStar, goes to the damn laundrette
[13:35] <Pici> :D
[13:51] <Tm_T> Myrtti: oooh, great (:
[14:07] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I have tried to send some pics for you now 3 times already, maybe I manage to do that now finally :p
[14:37] <Myrtti> Tm_T: that means atleast three brand spanking ones and one that needs washing (I'll wash it before giving it to you, if you want it, that is)
[14:37] <Myrtti> I think I'll keep one, the one with the snoring mechanism
[14:44] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ofcourse want!
[14:46] <Myrtti> I just put the dried Valentine's day bouquet on my bookshelf and started to think that the plushies have no emotional meaning to me anymore, so I'd better give them to better use
[14:46] <Tm_T> to me?
[14:46]  * Tm_T hides
[14:47] <Myrtti> to you or to Ronja :-)
[14:48] <Tm_T> both that is then
[14:48]  * Tm_T is constantly running out of cpu time, ram and disk space
[14:50] <jussi01> now this is _cool_ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9011409662.html
[14:50] <jussi01> I want one!!
[14:51] <jussi01> oh, crap, not -ot... meh
[14:51] <Tm_T> :-P
[14:55] <Tm_T> why that weak cpu
[14:55] <Tm_T> and no RAM mentioned
[14:56] <Tm_T> but otherwise looks really giid
[14:56] <jussi01> Tm_T: its an arm...
[15:20] <Tm_T> jussi01: I know
[15:21] <Myrtti> @bansearch denstark 
[15:22] <jussi01> @bansearch Gary
[15:22] <jussi01> unbeleivable...
[15:22] <Gary> that is
[15:22] <Myrtti> jussi01: c'mon, perk up man
[15:22] <Gary> @bansearch GazzaK
[15:24] <jussi01> i before e, except after c... grrr
[15:24] <Myrtti> stjuupid bot, can't find any bans for GazzaK
[15:25] <Gary> they were all oldish ones
[15:25] <jussi01> were they not all before this trackers time?
[15:25] <Gary> there were a lot too
[15:25] <Myrtti> probably
[15:26] <Tm_T> jussi01: btw that particular OMAP3 cpu+stuff is low-end version (:
[15:26] <jussi01> Gary: you scare me: [17:22:28] <Gary> damn I needs sweeties
[15:26]  * Myrtti shoves Garys mouth full of Rock
[15:26] <Gary> jussi01: I'm bored at work, need them for me, not for anything else :p
[15:27] <Gary> better then stinky socks
[15:27]  * jussi01 is feeling particularly weird today...
[15:27] <Gary> I feel like that all the time :p
[15:27] <jussi01> Gary: which part of the country are you located?
[15:27]  * jussi01 is currently in warrington...
[15:27] <Gary> either Colchester (Essex) or Nottingham (midlands)
[15:28] <Myrtti> 13d, 8h, 22m!d
[15:28] <Myrtti> WHEEE
[15:35] <jussi01> ikonia: can you talk here atm?
[15:40] <Myrtti> whee
[15:40] <LjL> is it splitland today?
[15:41] <LjL> it's not nice when i'm playing globulation! the scrolling slows it down, and the konv OSD gets in my way :(
[15:42] <nickrud> flannel, is that guy accusing you of trying to break his machine? ;)
[15:42] <Flannel> nickrud: Its what I do best.
[15:43] <LjL> oh not again
[15:44] <LjL> what's this bartol server that's splitting
[15:44] <LjL> the name alone sounds dodgy
[15:47] <Myrtti> *splat*
[16:16] <nealmcb> After discussion in the ubuntu-server meeting we decided that given the screen-profiles package (for jaunty and as a manual .deb for hardy etc), it would be good to update the factoid for screen to "Screen is a window manager for terminal sessions, also good for use over ssh.  See https://launchpad.net/screen-profiles for status bars, clocks, notifiers (reboot-required, updates-available), etc."
[16:16] <LjL> !screen
[16:17] <LjL> nealmcb: do you think the currently given links should be removed?
[16:19] <nealmcb> I was hoping the existing ubuntu-oriented page that dustin maintains would point to whatever is most appropriate.
[16:19] <nealmcb> I'll dig thru it a bit and talk to him if necessary
[16:19] <LjL> nealmcb: sorry, that page being?
[16:19] <nealmcb> the screen-profiles link in the text I suggested
[16:20] <nealmcb> https://launchpad.net/screen-profiles 
[16:20] <LjL> nealmcb: ah well but that's a launchpad page about the profiles project, wouldn't it be more appropriate to have a help wiki entry for screen?
[16:20] <Tm_T> LjL: would
[16:20]  * Tm_T hides
[16:20] <Myrtti> +1
[16:20] <LjL> i'll go draft one
[16:21] <nealmcb> yeah that was my first suggestion, but I was happy to just see dustin's page.  but that would be better.  ohh - cool
[16:21] <nealmcb> have folks here tried screen-profiles?
[16:21] <Tm_T> not me, I use screen only with irssi currently
[16:22] <LjL> i have not
[16:22] <Myrtti> is there any other use for screen than running irssi? :-D
[16:22] <Myrtti> j/k
[16:22] <nealmcb> the main point is just dustin's insight that screen can be pitched as a window manager, and a bunch of server-team activity around screen-profiles has made that real
[16:23] <nealmcb> see also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI
[16:23] <LjL> i think that's a result of that server being delinked
[16:29] <nealmcb> LjL: so where are you thinking for the screen wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen  ?   see also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DinkelVersus/Screen
[16:29] <LjL> nealmcb: yeah, what you said - that page is free
[16:30] <LjL> nealmcb: i suppose i'll integrate that page
[16:30]  * nealmcb is puzzled about the DinkelVersus pages
[16:31] <LjL> what exactly is DinkelVersus i have no idea
[16:31] <Pici> Its a person.
[16:31] <Pici> See the page history.
[16:40] <Myrtti> @bansearch anonymous1112 
[16:40] <Myrtti> ludo2612: hello, how can we help you
[16:40] <ludo2612> Myrtti: one i can't connect me to the #kubuntu channel
[16:41] <nealmcb> Pici: but why put community documentation on urls with your name in them?
[16:42] <Pici> nealmcb: Maybe it was only meant to be a work-in-progress document?
[16:43] <ludo2612> Myrtti: I am redirecting to ubuntu-proxy-users
[16:44] <Myrtti> ludo2612: unfortunately I'm not an op at #kubuntu so I can't help you
[16:45]  * jpds wonders what amy__ is doing to ipod users in #u.
[16:46] <Pici> ludo2612: You can join #kubuntu now, I've added an exception for you
[16:47] <ludo2612> Pici: thank you
[16:48] <ludo2612> Pici: but I don't understand why i was banned, could you explain me please ? 
[16:48] <Myrtti> because you're using mibbit
[16:48] <ludo2612> ok
[16:48] <ludo2612> Pici: why mibbit users are banned ?
[16:49] <Pici> ludo2612: Because we get unwanted abuse from people who use mibbit. 
[16:49] <ludo2612> Pici: ok I am sorry, I will reconnect me with xchat
[16:49] <LjL> nealmcb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen have a look
[16:50]  * Myrtti screams at #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:50] <Myrtti> STOP BEING IDIOTS
[16:51] <nealmcb> LjL: nice.  I think the wikipedia page would also be helpful - hopefully more uptodate over time than the 2004 article from kuroshin
[16:51] <LjL> !no screen is <reply> Screen is a terminal multiplexer and a window manager for terminal sessions, especially useful on remote SSH consoles. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen for information and usage instructions.
[16:51] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[16:51] <LjL> nealmcb: the wikipedia page though doesn't say very much that's useful to a user - it basically just states what it is, its history...
[16:53] <Myrtti> ludo2612: can you join #kubuntu now?
[16:53] <nealmcb> proposed factoid:  Screen is a window manager for terminal sessions, also good for use over ssh.   - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen   The screen-profiles package provides status bars, clocks, notifiers (reboot-required, updates-available), etc
[16:53] <Tm_T> Myrtti: he can
[16:53] <ludo2612> Myrtti, Yes, I can because I am connected with Xchat now
[16:54] <Tm_T> ludo2612: if there's no other issues to be dealt with, please part (:
[16:54] <LjL> nealmcb: i understand you'd like people to know about screen-profiles, but don't you think that's better explained in the wiki page instead of going into detail in the factoid itself?
[16:55] <nealmcb> We'd like to be able to use the factoid in the server channel, where questions about server guis and command-line use come up all the time.    It is nice to highlight ubuntu work on screen like that, we think.
[16:56] <LjL> i can make the factoid behave differently on the server channel
[16:56] <nealmcb> but of course more detail in the wiki, and the package page are the best place
[16:56] <nealmcb> we often point to related info in factoids
[16:56] <LjL> but also considering it's in jaunty and jaunty isn't released, i don't think it's appropriate to state it in the main factoid
[16:57] <nealmcb> is your concern the length?
[16:57] <nealmcb> well, yeah, the support timing is valid....
[16:57] <WikIT> Hello is this thing on?
[16:58] <LjL> the length, and that fact that if we include that sort of information in factoids, then by the same token we should also, say, include information about irssi-proxy (for instance) in the !irssi factoid
[16:58] <LjL> but that's something for the wiki not for the bot
[16:58] <nealmcb> anyway, thanks for starting the wiki page!
[16:58] <LjL> nealmcb: if screen-profiles is especially relevant to screen usage on a server, though, then that's an appropriate use case for a channel-specific factoid
[16:59] <nealmcb> LjL: good point - that would be nice
[16:59] <nealmcb> though a bit confusing at time, I imagine
[17:00] <LjL> !screen-#ubuntu-server is <reply> Screen is a window manager for terminal sessions, also useful over SSH. The 'screen-profiles' package provides very useful additional utilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen
[17:00] <LjL> !no screen is <reply> Screen is a window manager for terminal sessions, also useful over SSH. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen
[17:01] <nealmcb> thanks!
[17:04] <LjL> by the way, i've foregone including the "Monitoring for silence and activity" and the part about copying and pasting from http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 in the wiki page, because the former seems a bit ad-hoc and advanced (that's what man is for), and the latter is doable for most people by using their own terminal emulator's copy-paste capabilities (as long as you know how to scroll back in screen, which i do mention)
[17:05] <LjL> if you think other commands are important enough to be included, go ahead
[17:05] <LjL> also, might want to have a more detailed description of how to use, enable and configure screen-profiles on the page, but i can't help with that
[17:20] <Myrtti> DaemonFC is again heading into trouble
[17:44] <LjjjL> please, someone review the conversation between andresmh and shadeslayer (and later me) in #ubuntu, i still stand that's a destructive command given with no due warnings about its effects
[17:48] <Myrtti> true
[17:51] <LjL> ok and now he's getting on my nerves anyway
[17:56] <nealmcb> bye folks....
[18:07] <Myrtti> debian packaging makes my head hurt
[18:07] <Myrtti> every time
[18:14] <jpds> debian/rules
[18:15] <LjL> ubuntu/sucks
[18:16]  * Tm_T slaps LjL with MS DOS 5.0 User Guide & Reference
[18:16] <Myrtti> jpds: how did you know
[18:17] <jpds> Myrtti: Because it just does? :)
[18:17] <Myrtti> I seriously hate it
[18:17] <Tm_T> Myrtti: what's the problem?
[18:17] <LjL> Tm_T: thanks, i only had the 6.22 and 3.30 ones
[18:17] <Tm_T> (:
[18:17] <Myrtti> I'm trying to package xfce4-clipman-plugin 0.90 for myself according to all the rules
[18:17] <Myrtti> and I'm failing at it
[18:18] <Tm_T> Myrtti: what's the fail?
[18:18] <Myrtti> I need to go get my laundry, bbl
[18:47] <Mez> wtf? brand new laptop, it arrives with a fucked screen
[18:47]  * nalioth hands Mez some soap
[18:47] <Mez> yeah, I realised after i said it.
[18:47] <Mez> Sorry, a little annoyed
[18:47]  * Mez washes his mouth out
[18:48] <Mez> 10-14 days for repair
[19:11] <LjL> how's about we add a factoid for !ekiga?
[19:12] <LjL> it's true that in general it's no use adding factoid for packages when you can just look them up with !info
[19:12] <LjL> but ekiga has got a huge shiny wiki page on help.ubuntu.com
[19:12] <Pici> Then go ahead and add it
[19:18] <Seeker`> Mez: don't you mean "24 hours to deliver a new one"?
[19:27] <LjL> !ekiga is an Internet telephony application included with Ubuntu, which supports the SIP and H323 protocols. Information and help at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga
[19:28] <topyli> add "NO IT DOESN'T DO STUPID SKYPE" since everyone asks that first :)
[19:29] <jdong> wait then what good is it?
[19:29] <jdong> *ducks*
[19:29] <topyli> don't forget the all caps
[19:29] <topyli> heh
[19:29] <Tm_T> topyli: and "!!111oneone"
[19:29] <topyli> hehe
[19:31]  * Tm_T hugggles her mumble
[19:31] <topyli> hmm the ubuntu wiki doesn't fit on my eeepc's screen
[19:31] <Mez> topyli: hardly any site does
[19:31] <Mez> try google maps :D thats fun!
[19:32] <Tm_T> Mez: untrue
[19:32] <topyli> only those sites that are done right
[19:32] <Tm_T> mostly it's about brainless design
[19:33] <topyli> i'm okay if some columns are left out, but i should get at least the main text
[19:33] <topyli> i can scroll and read the ads later :)
[19:34] <Daft_Punk> I would like to speak to an op please
[19:36] <topyli> Daft_Punk: please ask your question, someone will help you
[19:37] <Daft_Punk> I am continually being harassed by spree, he was banned a while back for his rude behaviour in channel and I told an op what he told me in private, and now he keeps harassing me whenever he comes on, I tried ignoring him but dont know how exactly
[19:37] <Myrtti> hrm
[19:39] <Mez> Daft_Punk: /ignore spree
[19:39] <Mez> Daft_Punk: if it's in PM, there's nothing we can do
[19:40] <Daft_Punk> is that because even if i pasted to you what was said, you cant be 100% sure i didnt fabricate it?
[19:40] <Mez> and if it is in PM, all we can do is tell you to ignore, or point you at #freenode, where the network staff may be able to help
[19:40] <Mez> Daft_Punk: that and it's not up to us to moderate PMs. unless we can see it ourselves, we cant act on it.
[19:40] <Mez> Freenode staff might be able to help you, but they may also say the same as I've just
[19:41] <Daft_Punk> well that doesnt make me feel so great now does it :(
[19:41] <Seeker`> i know it isn't much help, but there isn't really anything we can do to stop him
[19:42] <Mez> I wish we could help in some of the stuff like this
[19:42] <Daft_Punk> right i understand you cant stop PM's because if he is on the server he can PM me
[19:42] <Mez> Daft_Punk: you should be able to just /ignore spree
[19:42] <Mez> and that will stop you recieving PMs from them
[19:42] <Daft_Punk> Mez, i tried that, he can still pm me
[19:43] <stdin> you can try /quote SILENCE spree
[19:43] <Mez> stdin: I believe that only works for channels?
[19:44] <Daft_Punk> * spree :No such nick/channel
[19:44] <Mez> Daft_Punk: does he show in window -> ignore list ?
[19:44] <stdin> Mez: I'm not sure, but I thought it was for /msg too
[19:44] <tonyyarusso> ........
[19:44] <tonyyarusso> bot hates me
[19:44] <Mez> @login
[19:44] <Seeker`> @login
[19:44] <tonyyarusso> @login
[19:44] <tonyyarusso> login doesn't work in PM I guess?
[19:44] <Mez> hehe
[19:44] <Seeker`> !prayer ~= /language or/language, or/
[19:44] <Mez> should do, I dunno though
[19:45] <stdin> why the comma?
[19:45] <Mez> !prayer
[19:45] <Daft_Punk> Mez, no, i personally put though *!*@hisip and spree@*!*
[19:45] <tonyyarusso> stdin: Because that's how lists are supposed to read.
[19:45] <stdin> tonyyarusso: unless there's a joining word, eg: and/or
[19:45] <Mez> Daft_Punk: from the "add"? 
[19:45] <tonyyarusso> Otherwise you create confusion if any of your list items are compound.
[19:45] <Mez> that should probably do it then
[19:45] <Daft_Punk> Mez, right
[19:45] <tonyyarusso> stdin: No, ALWAYS.
[19:45] <Mez> xchat has a weird convention for adding stuff to ignore lists
[19:45] <Daft_Punk> well he still PM me like 10 minutes ago
[19:45] <stdin> tonyyarusso: then blame my english teacher
[19:46] <tonyyarusso> stdin: Oh believe me, I will.
[19:46] <Mez> Daft_Punk: now he's in that list, he shouldnt be able to anymore
[19:46] <Daft_Punk> Mez, if i was to msg someone that is ignored, can they get my  msg?
[19:46] <Mez> they should, but your client may place restrictions on that
[19:46]  * tonyyarusso mutters something about half the planet being misinformed about grammar rules, because someone decided "lots of other people do it" was equivalent to "it's right"
[19:47] <stdin> ^ or because english teachers are dumb
[19:47]  * Mez agrees with tonyyarusso 
[19:47] <Daft_Punk> i am so confused, i thought this was a help channel
[19:47] <Mez> Daft_Punk: ? 
[19:47] <Daft_Punk> what's with the religion stuff
[19:47] <Mez> It's the operator channel.
[19:47] <Seeker`> Daft_Punk: This is a channel for operators to deal with people that have problems in ubuntu channels
[19:48] <Seeker`> Daft_Punk: We also manage factoids here
[19:48] <stdin> that's a factoid from the bot, which we operate
[19:48] <nickrud_> where's my strunk & white?
[19:48] <nickrud_> does lart still work?
[19:48] <Daft_Punk> ok well thanks for helping
[19:48] <stdin> I don't think it's loaded
[19:49] <stdin> nope
[19:50] <nickrud_> all the fun stuff is going away from ubottu. Someone needs to pay for a dedicated dual xenon for him
[19:50] <nickrud_> provide a really nice home
[19:50] <tonyyarusso> What's it running on right now?
[19:51] <Pici> I don't mind throwing ubottu or an ubottu clone on my linode.
[19:52] <tonyyarusso> That's what I was thinking.
[19:52] <tonyyarusso> my Linode normally has a load of zero, or very close to it
[19:53] <nickrud_> those look pretty appealing for a vps
[19:53] <tonyyarusso> They're awesome nickrud_ 
[19:53] <Pici> My linode has a load of 0 and I'm running irssi,scree, and apache on it currently
[19:53] <Pici> er, scren
[19:53] <Pici> nevermind.
[19:53] <tonyyarusso> If the community or Canonical wanted to spring for the $20/mo we could give it its very own one too.
[19:54] <stdin> @load Lart
[19:54] <Pici> @lart stdin 
[19:54] <Pici> :(
[19:54] <stdin> maybe not setup
[19:54] <tonyyarusso> Pici: you have to enable it for the chhannel in addition to loading the module.
[19:55] <stdin> @channel plugins.Lart.enabled
[19:55] <Pici> @login
[19:55] <stdin> @channel plugins.Lart.enabled True
[19:55] <stdin> @lart Pici 
[19:55]  * ubottu whacks stdin with the cluebat
[19:55] <tonyyarusso> yay
[19:55] <stdin> backfire
[19:55] <tonyyarusso> @lart stdin 
[19:55] <Pici> yay
[19:55]  * ubottu tackles stdin, sits on stdin and starts scratching at stdin's chest
[19:55] <Pici> kinky
[19:55] <stdin> you should obey your master ubottu
[19:55] <tonyyarusso> Who runs the bot these days?
[19:56] <stdin> it's hosted on Jussi's server
[19:56] <stdin> along with a couple clones
[19:56] <stdin> *couple or
[19:56] <stdin> **of
[19:56] <tonyyarusso> stdin: Are the clones still manual,  or do they kick in if it disappears?
[19:56] <stdin> still manual
[19:56] <tonyyarusso> boo
[19:57] <tonyyarusso> Imagine if every op who had a Linode had an ubottu instance and they automatically replaced each other.  :)
[19:57] <tonyyarusso> Even better wouuld be load balancing, but I have no idea how that would work.
[19:58] <stdin> it would probably require a rewrite of the bot, in something less sucky than supybot
[19:58] <tonyyarusso> Yeah
[20:00] <tonyyarusso> You could at least balance the database across different servers than the bot itself, since I think it's just PostgreSQL
[20:01] <Pici> Its sqlite by default.
[20:01] <tonyyarusso> oh
[20:01] <tonyyarusso> Pici: well, does that have the ability to do load-balancing?
[20:01]  * tonyyarusso only actually knows that MySQL does
[20:01] <stdin> "it was like that when I got here"
[20:01] <Pici> tonyyarusso: sqlite is file based, its not a sql server
[20:01] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[20:02] <stdin> one day, I do plan to move to something like MySQL
[20:02] <Pici> It locks records from being read while there is a write operation.
[20:02] <tonyyarusso> That's somewhat sub-optimal.
[20:02] <stdin> to be fair, there aren't many write operations
[20:02] <stdin> only when we edit the factoids or add them
[20:03] <stdin> oh wait, that's not actually right
[20:03] <tonyyarusso> stdin: or remove someone, edit a ban, ettc.
[20:03] <stdin> it keeps a "popularity" score
[20:03] <stdin> tonyyarusso: the ban database is separate from the factoids database
[20:03] <tonyyarusso> stdin: yeah, but is it the same kind?
[20:04] <Pici> stdin: Most of the lock issues have sprung up on the bantracker, when it clears the credentials
[20:04] <stdin> yep, it was sqlite when I took over so it's still sqlite (2)
[20:04]  * jpds wonders how we'll be able to sync the DB for clones with something like MySQL.
[20:04] <stdin> Pici: that's why I do that manually now :(
[20:04] <tonyyarusso> jpds: built-in replication function?
[20:04] <tonyyarusso> otherwise there's always the option to just distribute a dump file.
[20:04] <Mez> jpds: replication ?
[20:04] <jpds> tonyyarusso: No a DB-guy so I dunno.
[20:04] <stdin> jpds: I'm thinking a web interface type thing
[20:05] <stdin> so it can be exported as sqlite/sql file
[20:05] <tonyyarusso> jpds: In short, MySQL has a built-in function for that purpose.  It's called "replication.  :)
[20:05] <stdin> maybe with something like git to generate patches
[20:05] <Pici> I can't imagine that the database is so large that transferring it compressed would be an issue.
[20:06] <stdin> I'd rather not completely break all the sqlite interface, or I'll get random people screaming at me "Why do I have to install MySQL to have ubottu"
[20:06] <stdin> and I can't be bothered with that
[20:07] <tonyyarusso> haha
[20:07] <stdin> Pici: it's not that people want to just sync the database, they also want to keep the new factoids they created and keep edits
[20:07] <Mez> maybe it should be like, a remote database with XMLRPC/REST calls to get the data or store the data, so if it doesnt have it locally, it checks the "server" to see if it's there 
[20:08]  * stdin looks for the magic-"do something insanely complicated for me plz"-wand
[20:08] <Mez> stdin: apt-get install python
[20:08] <tonyyarusso> stdin: nobody said "today"
[20:09] <Mez> today
[20:09] <tonyyarusso> Whoop, now they did.  Hope you didn't have any other plans.
[20:09] <stdin> I'll add it to my things-to-add-to-my-todo-list list
[20:11] <stdin> I should think about rewriting all the plugins from scratch sometime
[20:11] <tonyyarusso> Man, I really wish gobby/sobby had the ability to save files to a regular file on the server.
[20:11] <stdin> they look horrible
[20:16]  * nickrud_ waves his magic 'add tasks to others to do list' wand
[20:16] <tonyyarusso> !info gobby jaunty
[20:16] <nickrud_> hm, works at work every time
[20:18] <Mez> !gobby is multiplayer gedit
[20:18] <Mez> @login
[20:29] <Daviey> haha
[20:44] <Seeker`> but IRC is already multiplayer notepad!
[20:48] <tonyyarusso> Seeker`: gedit > notepad
[20:49] <tonyyarusso> and besides, IRC is more like echo someething >> file than notepad file
[20:49] <Seeker`> IRC is more like echo something >> /dev/null
[20:50] <tonyyarusso> pssh, there are logs
[20:50] <Seeker`> yeah, but even fewer people read them than read it in real time :P
[20:53] <Pici> I admit to doing:  tail -f ~/irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu.log   at least once before
[20:53] <ikonia> nothing wrong with that
[20:54] <nickrud_> I search them often; nearly 2 years of almost complete logs at home, taking an idiotically large amount of disk space
[20:55] <Nafallo> talking about disk space...
[20:55] <Nafallo> e2fsck on a 1TB RAID1 isn't funny... :-/
[20:55] <Seeker`> nickrud_: you obviously have a lot of disk space free - fancy giving me some HDDs?
[20:55] <Seeker`> :P
[20:55] <nickrud_> heh. 2 500gb drives, and nothing to spare
[20:56] <nickrud_> I wanted to future proof for at least 6 months on my last purchase
[20:57] <ikonia> nickrud_: poor planning ;)
[20:58] <nickrud_> yeah, I need 4 1tb drives
[20:58] <Seeker`> I need a TB hard drive to back up DVDs
[20:58] <ikonia> Seeker`: I tried that, and I've hit 4TB so far, so I've had to chance approach
[20:59] <ikonia> s/chance/change
[21:06] <Seeker`> ikonia: what was your approach?
[21:07] <ikonia> backup everything to disk - then have the myth server serve everything
[21:07] <Seeker`> how were you backing it up?
[21:07] <ikonia> ran out of disk space for TV with movies, so just backed up "TV stuff" DVD's
[21:07] <ikonia> Seeker`: ripping and encoding x264
[21:07] <Seeker`> how big was a movie?
[21:08] <ikonia> ranged a little bit, but approx 1.4GB
[21:08] <ikonia> on average
[21:08] <Seeker`> i'm ripping them as VOBs
[21:08] <Seeker`> I reckon that I could get most of my film DVDs in 1 TB
[21:08] <ikonia> nice
[21:09] <Seeker`> averages 5GB/ film
[21:10] <ikonia> yeah, I tried pure vob and it turned out at 4.2
[21:10] <ikonia> hence why I started encoding
[21:11] <Seeker`> I dont have that many DVDs
[21:11] <Seeker`> well, there should be enough space for 200 in 1TB
[21:11] <ikonia> I've got a few hundred
[21:11] <Seeker`> and I dont have that many DVD cases :P
[21:15] <Seeker`> I've got ~122 DVDs, not allowing for duplicates
[21:15] <Seeker`> so probably about 115
[21:19] <ikonia> then how do you get that into 2TB ?
[21:19] <ikonia> each DVD is at least 1 Gig ?
[21:20] <Seeker`> 115 * 5 = ?
[21:20] <ikonia> silly me
[21:20] <Seeker`> 2 * 1024 = ?
[21:20] <ikonia> thinking 100GB
[21:20] <Seeker`> heh
[21:21] <Seeker`> I figure that 1TB for films, 1TB for tv series and 1TB for recorded programs would do me nicely
[21:21] <ikonia> you'd be susprised how much you each recording TV
[21:21] <ikonia> I was very 
[21:21] <Seeker`> mythtv takes around 2GB/hr
[21:22] <Seeker`> so 1TB = 500 hours
[21:22] <ikonia> yes,about that
[21:22] <ikonia> (well on my box
[21:22] <ikonia> )
[21:23] <Seeker`> 500 hours is a fair amount of TV
[21:23] <Seeker`> about 3 weeks
[21:23] <Seeker`> solidly
[21:25] <Seeker`> 4 hours short of 3 weeks
[21:26] <ikonia> sounds a lot when you say it that time
[21:27] <Tm_T> kids...
[22:22] <ikonia> lemons again
[22:25] <ikonia> @btlogin
[22:25] <topyli> i'm going to either die or kill geeknproud and daemonfc on -ot
[22:25] <topyli> not sure which one
[22:29] <ikonia> can someone look why my damn ban is getting borked when I set it
[22:29] <ikonia> random chars keep appearing
[22:30] <Seeker`> ikonia: where?
[22:30] <ikonia> in #ubuntu
[22:30] <ikonia> ahhh wait
[22:31] <ikonia> for some reasons ! are getting replaced with | 
[22:31] <Seeker`> :/
[22:31] <ikonia> I'll reset my client
[22:32] <ikonia> worked
[22:34] <nickrud_> ah, I see why you weren't in a hurry
[22:34] <ikonia> nickrud_: ?
[22:34] <nickrud_> turtles move pretty slowly .
[22:35] <ikonia> touche'
[22:35] <nickrud_>  /rimshot
[22:35] <nickrud_> ikonia, you know that 60's cartoon?  touche turtle?
[22:35] <ikonia> did he have a sword and big hat ?
[22:35] <nickrud_> that's the one
[22:35] <ikonia> I do 
[23:04] <Flannel> ubottu: tell felix-da-catz_zz about away