=== penguim is now known as BA_Alexandro [00:03] how long can I extend a usb cable? [00:06] areay: LDAP [00:07] Vog-work, i've messed around with openldap a little, but it seemed way overcomplicated for what i want... is that the only way to do it? [00:08] Depends on what you want to do and what your clients on the network will be. [00:08] If they are all windows clients then SAMBA is fine. [00:08] Vog-work, they're all ubuntu clients [00:09] If you have windows and samba servers and you want single sign on then LDAP is basically the only way to go. [00:09] areay:.... all ubuntu clients... [00:09] how can i archive a directory and it's contents with tar ? [00:11] Vog-work, sorry i don't get what you're saying... do i have to use LDAP if i'm only authenticating ubuntu clients? i would have thought it would be easier to authenticate clients using the same o/s as the server... [00:11] Areay I was assuming that you r clients were windows not ubuntu [00:12] Vog-work, ahh fair enough... after switching to ubuntu on my personal pc, i started to hate using windows for business.. it was weird [00:12] Vog-work, so Samba is cool, right? if so that makes things a lot easier (i think) [00:13] Samba is great if you are using windows style shares and AD [00:13] (Active directory) [00:13] But for an all out ubuntu netowrk I'm considering some other things. [00:15] Vog-work, it's annoying that it's been made so difficult to do... it should be an included feature of ubuntu [00:15] techsupport: GO here for some help with tar. http://www.linfo.org/tar.html [00:16] areay: It isn;t difficiult to do.... most of the time you would just ssh into the ubunti server from the client for your work. I'm just trying to get a better idea of what you want to accomplish [00:17] areay: Nfs is probably the way to go. [00:17] http://czarism.com/easy-peasy-ubuntu-linux-nfs-file-sharing [00:18] areay: what's so difficult? [00:18] Vog-work, i need file sharing and centralized logins too... i've used XDMCP before but it's buggy and it uses all my network bandwidth [00:18] areay: is that simple enough :) [00:18] Vog-work, the file sharing part is easy, it's just the logins [00:19] uh [00:19] That just soulds like a server with users and groups set up [00:19] why is it that every company in the world manages then? [00:19] Vog-work, because they all pay for windows server 2003 [00:19] uh [00:19] what?, no [00:19] i meant giovani [00:19] centralized linux logins are not hard, and are incredibly common [00:20] many solutions available [00:20] I don't own any win 2k3 servers and do just fine... but that won't help you with your problem [00:20] okay well i've followed like 5 or 6 different guides on openldap and none of them work [00:20] each one took at least an hour [00:21] heh [00:21] well there's you problem [00:21] your* [00:21] "following guides" probably means doing things you don't understand ... not a good idea [00:21] What I think you want is just a single server with the ability to set permissions on directories [00:21] giovani, you're right, i don't really understand LDAP or Active Directory... the closest i've come is working on a windows server [00:22] areay: well ... either hire someone to do it, or learn [00:22] plenty of books on the topic [00:22] Samba is the closest thing there is to widows sharing. [00:22] copying stuff blindly from guides and then claiming that it's ubuntu's fault ... [00:22] is not accurate [00:22] i shouldn't have to follow guides [00:23] you're right ... you should know how to do it by learning [00:23] i'm talking about centralized logins of *ubuntu* systems [00:23] it should be integrated [00:23] I don't know what "integrated" emans ... ubuntu provides the packages [00:23] just like with any other application [00:23] s/emans/means/ [00:24] the packages are provided, but configuration is a nightmare [00:24] areay: So you want ubuntu clients to be able to log into a ubuntu server. Each with their own username and password. [00:24] no, it's not [00:24] you simply haven't made a serious effort to learn [00:24] giovani, i shouldn't have to, it's a simple task [00:24] it's not in windows [00:24] sure it is [00:25] there's a gui [00:25] Active Directory has multiple 1000+ page books dedicated to the topic [00:25] areay: if you want a gui to manage your server, you don't belong here [00:25] you just add groups, users, and computers, and they all login [00:25] i don't want a gui to manage my server [00:25] then there's no problem [00:25] every company in the world manages to do it -- you're the one having the problem, yet you think it's ubuntu's fault? [00:26] every company in the world? [00:26] Vog-work, yea thats pretty much what i need [00:26] every one of size, sure [00:26] i have 12 employees and a very limited budget [00:26] so we're not of size [00:27] 12 employees? I've worked in companies of one :) [00:27] lol [00:27] it's just about education [00:27] don't get mad because you have to learn [00:27] if you're not interested in learning how -- then linux is not for you [00:27] i'm not mad... please don't get me wrong... i'm not mad, and i'm not blaming ubuntu or the developers of openldap... i'm just surprised there isn't an easy-to-use tool for setting it up [00:28] giovani: Instead of pointing out what areay dosen't know perpahps pointing him towards some good literature somewhere would be better. [00:28] because other people don't see the need? [00:28] it's easy [00:28] Vog-work: I would be happy to recommend some books -- he's made it clear he doesn't want to have to learn [00:28] so, I won't be providing them [00:28] there's like 20 config files you have to edit, and if you improperly configure the clients you can't login [00:28] going to make dinner [00:28] it is *not* "easy." Of course, neither is Windows. [00:29] areay: there is a turn-key solution for Ubuntu as an ldap auth *client* [00:29] areay: unfortunately setting up the server is still rather confusing, especially if you are not already familiar with LDAP. [00:29] twb, thats kind of the impression i've got... [00:29] Actually I see the areay is frustrated with the results he's been getting so far and he came to a channel where all he's heard is rtfm with a side helping of eliteism [00:29] areay: I haven't tried it, but ebox has a module that provides a web-based gui for configuring ldap [00:30] malakhi, thanks i'll check that out [00:30] Currently we still run NIS internally because LDAP is such a pain :-P [00:30] Vog-work, lol [00:30] this really isn't the first place i come when i need help [00:30] i scour the net for like a week before i come here [00:31] Areay: Now yeah I agree with giovani in regards to taking the time to learn. It is time consuming but rewarding. [00:31] Have you gone to the ubuntu fourms adn looked at what other people have done in your situation? [00:32] Vog-work, that's how i've solved most of my linux problems... i've got a pretty good setup here and i've only had to ask here three times [00:32] Because it is a pretty common scenario [00:32] Ok sometimes it's just knowing the proper search terms to look for. [00:32] i've been searching "ldap samba 8.10" in google [00:32] Let me dig around a bit and see what I can find. [00:33] thanks for ur help [00:34] areay: Are you comfortable in the command line or do you want to work in gui only? [00:34] command line's cool [00:34] it makes me feel important :) [00:35] Ok, but if things get fscked up can you fix things from there. [00:36] it depends on how bad they get... i'm usually okay; i haven't had to completely reinstall ubuntu for like 5 months (i've been using it for 6 months now) [00:37] Ok no offence but it sounds like you are pretty new to the command line. [00:37] You need to work in it daily to really learn linux (Ubuntu) server administration [00:38] i've been using linux command lines on and off for like 8 years... i think the key there is on and off tho... i've never really used it intensively [00:38] just basic stuff... compiling and such [00:39] Ok, so can you set up directories and user permissions? [00:39] yeah [00:39] mkdir, chmod, chown, and chgrp [00:40] OK cool. [00:40] Do you have the ability to get / send private messages in IRC? [00:40] Best to take this part off channel [00:41] yeah sorry i just wasnt paying attention before [00:45] !RUTE [00:45] documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com [00:46] I highly recommend that textbook for those who want to learn to do things "the unixy way", including CLI. [00:52] twb: if you mean the "rute" site, what license does that book use? [00:53] JanC: I don't remember, sorry. [00:53] it's also a bit outdated ツ [00:53] It is. [00:53] but might be useful still [00:57] Oh and this is my favorite site for ubuntu guides... http://howtoforge.com/howtos/linux/ubuntu [00:58] Now guides are nice to get started, but you need to get you hands dirty and get into real system administration. [00:59] Once you figure out that shell scriptiong can automate lot's of tasks and you start making your own or chenging others then you'll really start having "fun" [00:59] Sometime ver frustrationg fun but it feels great once you conquer a problem. [00:59] twb: Machtelt Garrels has some (possibly) useful books too: http://tille.garrels.be/training/ [00:59] And you learn a lot too. [01:00] Vog-work: indeed === Vog-work is now known as vog-work [02:14] I'm trying to setup my /etc/network/interfaces file with dhcp. In the file, what would the broadcast IP be? [02:16] Would the broadcast IP be the IP address on the WAN side? And, if it is, do I really need to set it up since my IP address is dynamic. [02:26] J-_: if an IP on your LAN is like 10.10.1.100 and the network mask is something like 255.255.0.0, then the broadcast address is 10.10.255.255 [02:27] (if that was your question) [02:30] I think I figured it out :) I put it as 192.168.1.255 [02:31] so your network mask is 255.255.255.0 ツ [02:31] Now I'm trying to configure DNS. Do I create a file: /etc/resolv.conf and put the DNS servers in there? [02:31] You shouldn't need to specify a broadcast address in /etc/network/interfaces. [02:32] twb is right, DHCP should set that [02:32] JanC: even for static allocation [02:32] okay, I'll remove it [02:32] At least, that's what I *remember*. [02:32] Should network, and gateway be the same IP? [02:32] yep, not required with DHCP [02:33] J-_: DHCP sets all of that [02:33] I may be confusing it with the obsolete "network" declaration. [02:33] giovani: DHCP *can* set all that, it doesn't have to :-) [02:34] So, I just need to put 'auto eth0' 'iface eth0 dhcp' below the loopback network interface? [02:34] twb: no need to be pedantic -- in the real world, unless he has a highly specialized setup, it will be providing his subnet mask, his gateway, and his dns [02:34] from which, his broadcast address will be calculated locally [02:34] giovani: and his IP address [02:35] it this a pissing contest? [02:35] clearly, we know dhcp provides his ip [02:35] s/it/is/ [02:35] I'm also using dynamic IP [02:35] giovani: well, DHCP doesn't have to ;-) [02:35] wish I had static [02:35] J-_: is this your ISP providing DHCP? [02:36] giovani: I don't *have* to be pedantic; I enjoy it :-) [02:36] I guess so. I'm not totally sure, it's not cable internet. [02:36] twb: which is fine ... I think, when appropriate [02:36] J-_: many DHCP server implementations have an option to link an IP address to a MAC addres and/or a hostname [02:36] but, when troubleshooting an average user, it simply adds to confusion [02:37] JanC: except we just established his ISP is running it :) -- so, they'll be making that decision [02:37] Yeah I'm pretty much confused now. :) [02:37] J-_: you don't need to set anything that you're trying to set [02:37] simply use dhcp [02:37] it'll handle everything [02:37] J-_: do you have a router between you and your ISP ? [02:37] yes [02:38] then your router is providing the dhcp to your computer, not the ISP [02:38] modem, and router. [02:38] (I already suspected this, as no ISP I know uses 192.168.1.*) [02:38] it's setup as dhcp on this laptop, I setup my server as a static LAN IP. My WAN is dynamic [02:39] J-_: alright, well, since the internal network is yours -- you don't have to use DHCP -- that's your option, however, if you choose to set a static ip, make sure it's not in the range that your router assigns via DHCP [02:39] i.e. your router may assign 192.168.1.100-150 via DHCP -- don't use IPs in that range for static settings [02:40] giovani: some routers support "static DHCP" though [02:40] JanC: the good ones [02:40] JanC: yes, a few, however, I'm guessing that's a tad over his skill level to be investigating at the moment [02:41] The ones that run Linux instead of IOS :P [02:41] uh [02:41] IOS does static DHCP [02:41] Apparently the one that got deployed in my next remand center doesn't :-/ [02:42] In hardy should /etc/resolv.conf already be there? I just opened a new file. I want to add my DNS server to it. [02:42] servers* [02:42] giovani: admittedly it might just be that their contractors are stupid idiots [02:42] J-_: once again ... if you use DHCP ... you don't need to set it manually [02:42] J-_: if you don't use DHCP, then you can set that manually, however, it'll be overwritten by DHCP and/or your interfaces file settings [02:43] When I had my server going I used afraid.org DNS servers. [02:43] some routers require you to use "static DHCP" if you want to set up forwarding & DMZ & such [02:43] JanC: really? which ones? NEVER seen such a requirement -- albeit it would be intelligent [02:44] giovani: at least my router makes it difficult if I don't use static DHCP ;) [02:44] what do you mean makes it difficult? [02:45] giovani: but I just filed a GPL violation complaint about it, so maybe it's not really a good example ;) [02:45] which manuf? [02:45] Eminent [02:46] never heard of them [02:46] Vendor OSes are stinky [02:46] Yay for OpenWRT [02:46] heh [02:47] echo $MAC $IP >>/etc/ethers && killall -USR1 dnsmasq [02:47] openwrt has come in handy, yes [02:47] ...you now have fixed DHCP [02:47] this thing has only 6.3 MiB of RAM according to /proc/meminfo [02:47] not abnormal [02:48] some of the linksys get by on 2MiB [02:48] What defines eth0? Does eth0 also define my WAN address, or is it strictly internal? [02:48] My expensive Asus WL-500g Premium has 32MB of RAM and something like 8MB of non-volatile storage. [02:48] J-_: whichever network interface is brought up first :) [02:48] I think current OpenWRT wants about half that. [02:48] ohlawd [02:48] it's a Texas Instrument AR7 based ADSL modem/router [02:48] J-_: that's how windows works too [02:49] and virtually every other OS === BA_Alexandro is now known as penguim [02:49] JanC: well, you're hosed then. You can't drive an ADSL modem using Free software, because the only drivers for them are priorietary. [02:49] twb: my Asus WL-500gP got fried by a lightning strike at my neighbours :-( [02:50] JanC: bummer [02:50] Here's another question. I think I'm thinking of dhcp wrong in regards to interal IP. I'm using a static internal ip, would eth0 see the internal IP I gave it in my router? [02:50] twb: there are some adsl modems with open drivers [02:50] * J-_ palms a little [02:50] my neighbours roof got a serious hole in it, but I lost my router, LCD, display & an USB disk [02:50] J-_: I don't understand your question [02:51] giovani: I stand corrected. [02:51] twb: not that there are a lot -- but here's one: http://speedtouch.sourceforge.net/ [02:51] ADSL is on its way out anyway [02:52] giovani: heh? [02:52] ? [02:52] not in .be [02:52] ok? [02:52] ADSL2+ is the only way out of the cable monopoly here... [02:52] hardly a world sampling :) [02:53] In .au most areas still use satellite [02:53] yeah, we've got a sprinkling of ADSL2+ here as well [02:53] but cable has a clear cost advantage per speed [02:53] and fios/ftth is expanding, and is super-cheap per speed [02:53] Of course, in the city centers there is now ADSL2+, but most suburbs are ADSL1 [02:53] I think in NYC only Covad offers ADSL2+ [02:53] and it's pricey [02:53] My WAN ip is dynamic, while my internal IP for my server is static. Should I be using, 'auto eth0' 'iface eth0 static'? [02:54] 3-4x what I'm paying for cable of the same speed [02:54] * ScottK is a big fan of the FIOS. [02:54] J-_: no [02:54] sorry, yes [02:54] it should be static then [02:54] giovani: if the cable monopolist restricts you to 20 GiB / month for 43 euro / month... [02:54] Okay, whew. [02:54] ScottK: yeah, too bad verizon sucks ass [02:54] giovani: cable requires laying new cables. That's kind of expensive for most of .au's geography. [02:54] twb: I wasn't suggesting cable for australia? [02:54] giovani: My alternative is Comcast which is MUCH worse IME. [02:54] australia is probably going to see more WISPs [02:55] ScottK: agreed [02:55] once wimax pricing comes down a bit [02:55] we'll see more regular wisps adopting it [02:55] I've actually had little trouble with Verizon. The biggest service outage I've had is when Comcast cut the fiber running cable to the neighbors. [02:56] they'll see speed gains over their old proprietary wireless systems [02:56] ScottK: support is a nightmare, but, yeah, we have a 50/20Mbps link at work [02:56] Wimax has the same problem as WiFi: it's shared [02:56] cheap as hell [02:56] JanC: "shared" is not accurate [02:57] there will be no wireless protocols in this world that have dedicated frequencies per customer, that's not a flaw of a protocol [02:57] but they are not "shared" [02:57] because of the way frequency hopping is implemeneted in newer protocols [02:58] wifi is not really used in the WISP world much [02:58] most WISP equipment is proprietary, built on the 802.11a polling spec [02:59] well, looking at what Wimax providers provide here, they do have a bandwidth problem... [02:59] yeah, that's not a limitation of the protocol really [02:59] that's a limitation of how much money they want to spend, and how they're going to engineer their sector antennas [02:59] ADSL is the only technology here where you can get (almost) unlimited trafic [03:00] wimax equipment is still extremely expensive compared to the proprietary alternatives, so it's hard to justify the switch [03:00] so, that's why I changed from cable to ADSL... [03:00] yeah, US cable companies have started to implement a soft cap of 300GB/mo [03:00] but it's not explicitly advertised, nor enforced as a hard cap [03:01] not heard of DSL companies doing anything -- but their slower speeds would prevent much over 300GB/mo even at 24/7 usage [03:01] if the local cable company would have provided a hard cap at 100 GiB, I wouldn't have changed :P [03:01] I abuse work's 50/20 fios [03:01] peg about 30/10 of it 24/7/365 [03:02] no complaints from verizon :) [03:02] but 20 GiB / month was jus t too limiting [03:02] yeah, that would suck [03:03] just updating jaunty every day would get you there I think... [03:03] haha [03:04] yeah, I push around 100-250GB/mo regularly on my home cable [03:04] which is 10Mbps, and costs about $50 [03:04] /mo [03:05] right, I think I will do about 100 GiB this month [03:05] and maybe less next month [03:05] and my ADSL2+ link is tuned at 15 Mbit/s [03:06] and costs me about 35 euro / month === techsupport is now known as orudie [03:06] how do you uncompress a .tar file ? [03:06] that's good pricing [03:07] a 15 Mbit/s cable connection would cost me 43 euro / month and after 20 GiB they would cap me at 3 KiB/s [03:07] orudie: tar -xf file.tar [03:07] or tar -xvvf file.tar if you want to see the progress [03:08] and the 20 GiB / month cap is what really drove me away [03:09] definitely understandable [03:10] I'd happily pay 43 euro for cable if it had a reasonable transfer limit [03:10] as cable is much more stable [03:46] Are there any packages upgrades that require a system reboot to take effect? If so, how do I know if I need to reboot? [03:47] tsrk: kernel upgrades are the most obvious example... [03:47] yeah, but what about ones that I don't recognize as such? [03:48] especially security updates that get installed automatically/ [03:48] tsrk: and in the next Ubuntu release there is an optional screen profile that includes a "you must reboot" indicator [03:49] where is that indicator? [03:49] on login? [03:49] also, I hope you don't install updates automaticly on servers [03:49] tsrk: not on login, but in a status line at the bottom [03:49] i do... (the "important security updates"), is that bad? [03:49] there is a way to get this at login too (using MOTD) [03:50] ah ok [03:50] tsrk: all this is about the next release though [03:50] and I think installing security updates automaticly is bad on a server [03:51] well, most packages that are installed on my server are also installed on my desktop so at this point I just reboot my servers if one of my desktop updates that's also on my server requires me to reboot [03:51] why is that? [03:51] I prefer reviewing the changes and think about what effects they could have on my server system [03:53] that's what i do with other updates [03:53] if they don't impact the security of my server, but break functionality, I don't install them right away ;) [03:54] so far i guess i've been lucky on the breaking functionality bit (or lack thereof) [03:54] of course that means you must understand the real impact & dangers [03:54] hmm, yeah, sometimes i don't really know what all the updates are, i have to admit [03:55] well, that's actually more true on my desktop where i don't worry about it as much [03:55] often I have to investigate too ;) [03:55] ah ok [03:55] Subscribe to the security announcements. [03:55] is there a way to "de-upgrade"? [03:55] i am [03:55] Those will tell you if you need to reboot. [03:55] ah ok [03:56] that's ubuntu-security-announce@lists.ubuntu.com? [03:56] ScottK: and most of the time they tell you what part of the software is impacted too [03:56] (that's the one i'm subscribed too) [03:56] tsrk: right [03:56] tsrk: I think so. I read them on RSS. [03:57] ok [03:57] tsrk: but subscribing to a general security announcement list is useful too [03:57] non-ubuntu?' [03:58] that way you can sometimes read about security issues before Ubuntu has a security release [03:59] (even if Ubuntu is generally quite fast about security releases) [04:00] ok [04:01] and subscribing to upstream security/announce lists is good too [04:01] e.g. if you use web apps [04:02] ok, will do [04:07] "subscribing" can be using mail or RSS (like ScottK prefers apparently) or whatever means, as long as you read it very regularly [04:07] Yes. ubuntu-nl has an RSS feed for it. [04:08] protocol isn't important, the information is [04:10] Agreed === CaTeYe is now known as cateye === cateye is now known as CaTeYe [04:57] anyone know how to update /etc/apt/sources.list inside vmbuilder's "--exec script.sh"? [05:15] Is it possible to install a package, but to tell apt-get which repo to use? apt-get -mirror "http:/local/url" install my_package_name ? [05:15] oh_noes: yes; iirc, the option is -t $repo_name [05:19] Does that include the type? I mean main | universal etc [05:20] I want my_package_name to come from $MIRROR and inside $REPO, or equivalent to "deb http://local/rep nightly" [05:26] oh_noes: in the repo name you gave, the release name would be "nightly" [05:26] that's what apt-get -t would specify [05:29] hrmm, my problem is my /etc/apt/sources.list is "deb http://local/ubuntu main" [05:29] but I want to install a package, that reside its the equivalent of "deb http://local/repo nightly" [05:30] I can't update sources.list .. so im hoping I can just pass it on the command line to apt-get? [05:30] oh_noes: well first of all, those aren't valid urls [05:30] wget the package and dpkg -i [05:30] oh_noes: second of all, I already answered your question: apt-get -t nightly $package-name [05:31] hads: and if a package in an available repository overrides that for some reason, your solution fails [05:31] Okay, I'll go back to what I was doing. [05:32] hads: :P ; don't be that way; I was just adding a point that could potentially be a problem; it's a decent solution [05:33] It's the only solution if "I can't update sources.list" [05:33] p_quarles: yes I know they arent 100% valid, I just shortened them for IRC. [05:33] p_quarles: how does $(apt-get -t nightly $package-name) know to use http::/local/repo/ [05:34] I need it to use 'repo', not 'ubuntu' for the URL location [05:35] oh_noes: google apt-pinning [05:36] web sources will be far better than an irc explanation, hence my telling you to google it [05:36] it's complex and not always perfect, but if your needs go beyond what -t can do, that's what you want :D [05:39] thanks. [05:53] <^law^> hello [05:54] <^law^> does anybody know how to get list of services? [06:45] what do you mean a list of services from where? === tjaalton_ is now known as tjaalton [07:41] hi [07:43] how to ckeck the free space on a hard drive in order to extend the size of a partition ? [07:44] kirkland: I really like your idea on /var/lib/ecryptfs/$USER as a symlink on a removable media. You should blog something on it "Security in Ubuntu, what to do?" ;) (I didn't find anything similar, even in the Debian Security Guide) [09:08] hello guys [09:08] I need test my page from outside of my net [09:09] please type this [09:09] opensim.servehttp.com (serve ..no server) [09:10] can you see the page? [09:12] moin [09:17] leonardo: connecting to... [09:17] not working [09:18] grrr , thanks cemc [09:18] firewall ? [09:18] I can't find the problem ..let me test...off the fire [09:19] see if apache is listening on port 80 [09:19] netstat -nlp |grep apache [09:19] sudo [09:19] yep, it is ... I am running this server on a virtaul machine...in xp [09:20] and..in my net...I can see just perfect [09:20] but ...from outside nothiing [09:20] <|HSO|SadiQ> I try to ssh into a server and I can't get color into the ls command...can anyone help me? [09:21] the ports ar open [09:21] leonardo: virtual machine? [09:21] like which one ? [09:21] virtualbox [09:21]