[00:03] <Thirtysixway> how long can I extend a usb cable?
[00:06] <Vog-work> areay: LDAP
[00:07] <areay> Vog-work, i've messed around with openldap a little, but it seemed way overcomplicated for what i want... is that the only way to do it?
[00:08] <Vog-work> Depends on what you want to do and what your clients on the network will be.
[00:08] <Vog-work> If they are all windows clients then SAMBA is fine.
[00:08] <areay> Vog-work, they're all ubuntu clients
[00:09] <Vog-work> If you have windows and samba servers and you want single sign on then LDAP is basically the only way to go.
[00:09] <Vog-work> areay:.... all ubuntu clients...
[00:09] <techsupport> how can i archive a directory and it's contents with tar ?
[00:11] <areay> Vog-work, sorry i don't get what you're saying... do i have to use LDAP if i'm only authenticating ubuntu clients? i would have thought it would be easier to authenticate clients using the same o/s as the server...
[00:11] <Vog-work> Areay I was assuming that you r clients were windows not ubuntu
[00:12] <areay> Vog-work, ahh fair enough... after switching to ubuntu on my personal pc, i started to hate using windows for business.. it was weird
[00:12] <areay> Vog-work, so Samba is cool, right? if so that makes things a lot easier (i think)
[00:13] <Vog-work> Samba is great if you are using windows style shares and AD
[00:13] <Vog-work> (Active directory)
[00:13] <Vog-work> But for an all out ubuntu netowrk I'm considering some other things.
[00:15] <areay> Vog-work, it's annoying that it's been made so difficult to do... it should be an included feature of ubuntu
[00:15] <Vog-work> techsupport: GO here for some help with tar. http://www.linfo.org/tar.html
[00:16] <Vog-work> areay: It isn;t difficiult to do.... most of the time you would just ssh into the ubunti server from the client for your work. I'm just trying to get a better idea of what you want to accomplish
[00:17] <Vog-work> areay: Nfs is probably the way to go.
[00:17] <Vog-work> http://czarism.com/easy-peasy-ubuntu-linux-nfs-file-sharing
[00:18] <giovani> areay: what's so difficult?
[00:18] <areay> Vog-work, i need file sharing and centralized logins too... i've used XDMCP before but it's buggy and it uses all my network bandwidth
[00:18] <Vog-work> areay: is that simple enough :)
[00:18] <areay> Vog-work, the file sharing part is easy, it's just the logins
[00:19] <giovani> uh
[00:19] <Vog-work> That just soulds like a server with users and groups set up
[00:19] <giovani> why is it that every company in the world manages then?
[00:19] <areay> Vog-work, because they all pay for windows server 2003
[00:19] <giovani> uh
[00:19] <giovani> what?, no
[00:19] <areay> i meant giovani
[00:19] <giovani> centralized linux logins are not hard, and are incredibly common
[00:20] <giovani> many solutions available
[00:20] <Vog-work> I don't own any win 2k3 servers and do just fine... but that won't help you with your problem
[00:20] <areay> okay well i've followed like 5 or 6 different guides on openldap and none of them work
[00:20] <areay> each one took at least an hour
[00:21] <giovani> heh
[00:21] <giovani> well there's you problem
[00:21] <giovani> your*
[00:21] <giovani> "following guides" probably means doing things you don't understand ... not a good idea
[00:21] <Vog-work> What I think you want is just a single server with the ability to set permissions on directories
[00:21] <areay> giovani, you're right, i don't really understand LDAP or Active Directory... the closest i've come is working on a windows server
[00:22] <giovani> areay: well ... either hire someone to do it, or learn
[00:22] <giovani> plenty of books on the topic
[00:22] <Vog-work> Samba is the closest thing there is to widows sharing.
[00:22] <giovani> copying stuff blindly from guides and then claiming that it's ubuntu's fault ...
[00:22] <giovani> is not accurate
[00:22] <areay> i shouldn't have to follow guides
[00:23] <giovani> you're right ... you should know how to do it by learning
[00:23] <areay> i'm talking about centralized logins of *ubuntu* systems
[00:23] <areay> it should be integrated
[00:23] <giovani> I don't know what "integrated" emans ... ubuntu provides the packages
[00:23] <giovani> just like with any other application
[00:23] <giovani> s/emans/means/
[00:24] <areay> the packages are provided, but configuration is a nightmare
[00:24] <Vog-work> areay: So you want ubuntu clients to be able to log into a ubuntu server. Each with their own username and password.
[00:24] <giovani> no, it's not
[00:24] <giovani> you simply haven't made a serious effort to learn
[00:24] <areay> giovani, i shouldn't have to, it's a simple task
[00:24] <giovani> it's not in windows
[00:24] <areay> sure it is
[00:25] <areay> there's a gui
[00:25] <giovani> Active Directory has multiple 1000+ page books dedicated to the topic
[00:25] <giovani> areay: if you want a gui to manage your server, you don't belong here
[00:25] <areay> you just add groups, users, and computers, and they all login
[00:25] <areay> i don't want a gui to manage my server
[00:25] <giovani> then there's no problem
[00:25] <giovani> every company in the world manages to do it -- you're the one having the problem, yet you think it's ubuntu's fault?
[00:26] <areay> every company in the world?
[00:26] <areay> Vog-work, yea thats pretty much what i need
[00:26] <giovani> every one of size, sure
[00:26] <areay> i have 12 employees and a very limited budget
[00:26] <areay> so we're not of size
[00:27] <giovani> 12 employees? I've worked in companies of one :)
[00:27] <areay> lol
[00:27] <giovani> it's just about education
[00:27] <giovani> don't get mad because you have to learn
[00:27] <giovani> if you're not interested in learning how -- then linux is not for you
[00:27] <areay> i'm not mad... please don't get me wrong... i'm not mad, and i'm not blaming ubuntu or the developers of openldap... i'm just surprised there isn't an easy-to-use tool for setting it up
[00:28] <Vog-work> giovani: Instead of pointing out what areay dosen't know perpahps pointing him towards some good literature somewhere would be better.
[00:28] <giovani> because other people don't see the need?
[00:28] <giovani> it's easy
[00:28] <giovani> Vog-work: I would be happy to recommend some books -- he's made it clear he doesn't want to have to learn
[00:28] <giovani> so, I won't be providing them
[00:28] <areay> there's like 20 config files you have to edit, and if you improperly configure the clients you can't login
[00:28] <giovani> going to make dinner
[00:28] <malakhi> it is *not* "easy." Of course, neither is Windows.
[00:29] <twb> areay: there is a turn-key solution for Ubuntu as an ldap auth *client*
[00:29] <twb> areay: unfortunately setting up the server is still rather confusing, especially if you are not already familiar with LDAP.
[00:29] <areay> twb, thats kind of the impression i've got...
[00:29] <Vog-work> Actually I see the areay is frustrated with the results he's been getting so far and he came to a channel where all he's heard is rtfm with a side helping of eliteism
[00:29] <malakhi> areay: I haven't tried it, but ebox has a module that provides a web-based gui for configuring ldap
[00:30] <areay> malakhi, thanks i'll check that out
[00:30] <twb> Currently we still run NIS internally because LDAP is such a pain :-P
[00:30] <areay> Vog-work, lol
[00:30] <areay> this really isn't the first place i come when i need help
[00:30] <areay> i scour the net for like a week before i come here
[00:31] <Vog-work> Areay: Now yeah I agree with giovani in regards to taking the time to learn. It is time consuming but rewarding.
[00:31] <Vog-work> Have you gone to the ubuntu fourms adn looked at what other people have done in your situation?
[00:32] <areay> Vog-work, that's how i've solved most of my linux problems... i've got a pretty good setup here and i've only had to ask here three times
[00:32] <Vog-work> Because it is a pretty common scenario
[00:32] <Vog-work> Ok sometimes it's just knowing the proper search terms to look for.
[00:32] <areay> i've been searching "ldap samba 8.10" in google
[00:32] <Vog-work> Let me dig around a bit and see what I can find.
[00:33] <areay> thanks for ur help
[00:34] <Vog-work> areay: Are you comfortable in the command line or do you want to work in gui only?
[00:34] <areay> command line's cool
[00:34] <areay> it makes me feel important :)
[00:35] <Vog-work> Ok, but if things get fscked up can you fix things from there.
[00:36] <areay> it depends on how bad they get... i'm usually okay; i haven't had to completely reinstall ubuntu for like 5 months (i've been using it for 6 months now)
[00:37] <Vog-work> Ok no offence but it sounds like you are pretty new to the command line.
[00:37] <Vog-work> You need to work in it daily to really learn linux (Ubuntu) server administration
[00:38] <areay> i've been using linux command lines on and off for like 8 years... i think the key there is on and off tho... i've never really used it intensively
[00:38] <areay> just basic stuff... compiling and such
[00:39] <Vog-work> Ok, so can you set up directories and user permissions?
[00:39] <areay> yeah
[00:39] <areay> mkdir, chmod, chown, and chgrp
[00:40] <Vog-work> OK cool.
[00:40] <Vog-work> Do you have the ability to get / send private messages in IRC?
[00:40] <Vog-work> Best to take this part off channel
[00:41] <areay> yeah sorry i just wasnt paying attention before
[00:45] <twb> !RUTE
[00:46] <twb> I highly recommend that textbook for those who want to learn to do things "the unixy way", including CLI.
[00:52] <JanC> twb: if you mean the "rute" site, what license does that book use?
[00:53] <twb> JanC: I don't remember, sorry.
[00:53] <JanC> it's also a bit outdated  ツ
[00:53] <twb> It is.
[00:53] <JanC> but might be useful still
[00:57] <Vog-work> Oh and this is my favorite site for ubuntu guides... http://howtoforge.com/howtos/linux/ubuntu
[00:58] <Vog-work> Now guides are nice to get started, but you need to get you hands dirty and get into real system administration.
[00:59] <Vog-work> Once you figure out that shell scriptiong can automate lot's of tasks and you start making your own or chenging others then you'll really start having "fun"
[00:59] <Vog-work> Sometime ver frustrationg fun but it feels great once you conquer a problem.
[00:59] <JanC> twb: Machtelt Garrels has some (possibly) useful books too: http://tille.garrels.be/training/
[00:59] <Vog-work> And you learn a lot too.
[01:00] <JanC> Vog-work: indeed
[02:14] <J-_> I'm trying to setup my /etc/network/interfaces file with dhcp. In the file, what would the broadcast IP be?
[02:16] <J-_> Would the broadcast IP be the IP address on the WAN side? And, if it is, do I really need to set it up since my IP address is dynamic.
[02:26] <JanC> J-_: if an IP on your LAN is like 10.10.1.100 and the network mask is something like 255.255.0.0, then the broadcast address is 10.10.255.255
[02:27] <JanC> (if that was your question)
[02:30] <J-_> I think I figured it out :) I put it as 192.168.1.255
[02:31] <JanC> so your network mask is 255.255.255.0  ツ
[02:31] <J-_> Now I'm trying to configure DNS. Do I create a file: /etc/resolv.conf and put the DNS servers in there?
[02:31] <twb> You shouldn't need to specify a broadcast address in /etc/network/interfaces.
[02:32] <JanC> twb is right, DHCP should set that
[02:32] <twb> JanC: even for static allocation
[02:32] <J-_> okay, I'll remove it
[02:32] <twb> At least, that's what I *remember*.
[02:32] <J-_> Should network, and gateway be the same IP?
[02:32] <giovani> yep, not required with DHCP
[02:33] <giovani> J-_: DHCP sets all of that
[02:33] <twb> I may be confusing it with the obsolete "network" declaration.
[02:33] <twb> giovani: DHCP *can* set all that, it doesn't have to :-)
[02:34] <J-_> So, I just need to put 'auto eth0' 'iface eth0 dhcp' below the loopback network interface?
[02:34] <giovani> twb: no need to be pedantic -- in the real world, unless he has a highly specialized setup, it will be providing his subnet mask, his gateway, and his dns
[02:34] <giovani> from which, his broadcast address will be calculated locally
[02:34] <JanC> giovani: and his IP address
[02:35] <giovani> it this a pissing contest?
[02:35] <giovani> clearly, we know dhcp provides his ip
[02:35] <giovani> s/it/is/
[02:35] <J-_> I'm also using dynamic IP
[02:35] <JanC> giovani: well, DHCP doesn't have to  ;-)
[02:35] <J-_> wish I had static
[02:35] <giovani> J-_: is this your ISP providing DHCP?
[02:36] <twb> giovani: I don't *have* to be pedantic; I enjoy it :-)
[02:36] <J-_> I guess so. I'm not totally sure, it's not cable internet.
[02:36] <giovani> twb: which is fine ... I think, when appropriate
[02:36] <JanC> J-_: many DHCP server implementations have an option to link an IP address to a MAC addres and/or a hostname
[02:36] <giovani> but, when troubleshooting an average user, it simply adds to confusion
[02:37] <giovani> JanC: except we just established his ISP is running it :) -- so, they'll be making that decision
[02:37] <J-_> Yeah I'm pretty much confused now. :)
[02:37] <giovani> J-_: you don't need to set anything that you're trying to set
[02:37] <giovani> simply use dhcp
[02:37] <giovani> it'll handle everything
[02:37] <JanC> J-_: do you have a router between you and your ISP ?
[02:37] <J-_> yes
[02:38] <giovani> then your router is providing the dhcp to your computer, not the ISP
[02:38] <J-_> modem, and router.
[02:38] <JanC> (I already suspected this, as no ISP I know uses 192.168.1.*)
[02:38] <J-_> it's setup as dhcp on this laptop, I setup my server as a static LAN IP. My WAN is dynamic
[02:39] <giovani> J-_: alright, well, since the internal network is yours -- you don't have to use DHCP -- that's your option, however, if you choose to set a static ip, make sure it's not in the range that your router assigns via DHCP
[02:39] <giovani> i.e. your router may assign 192.168.1.100-150 via DHCP -- don't use IPs in that range for static settings
[02:40] <JanC> giovani: some routers support "static DHCP" though
[02:40] <twb> JanC: the good ones
[02:40] <giovani> JanC: yes, a few, however, I'm guessing that's a tad over his skill level to be investigating at the moment
[02:41] <twb> The ones that run Linux instead of IOS :P
[02:41] <giovani> uh
[02:41] <giovani> IOS does static DHCP
[02:41] <twb> Apparently the one that got deployed in my next remand center doesn't :-/
[02:42] <J-_> In hardy should /etc/resolv.conf already be there? I just opened a new file. I want to add my DNS server to it.
[02:42] <J-_> servers*
[02:42] <twb> giovani: admittedly it might just be that their contractors are stupid idiots
[02:42] <giovani> J-_: once again ... if you use DHCP ... you don't need to set it manually
[02:42] <giovani> J-_: if you don't use DHCP, then you can set that manually, however, it'll be overwritten by DHCP and/or your interfaces file settings
[02:43] <J-_> When I had my server going I used afraid.org DNS servers.
[02:43] <JanC> some routers require you to use "static DHCP" if you want to set up forwarding & DMZ & such
[02:43] <giovani> JanC: really? which ones? NEVER seen such a requirement -- albeit it would be intelligent
[02:44] <JanC> giovani: at least my router makes it difficult if I don't use static DHCP  ;)
[02:44] <giovani> what do you mean makes it difficult?
[02:45] <JanC> giovani: but I just filed a GPL violation complaint about it, so maybe it's not really a good example  ;)
[02:45] <giovani> which manuf?
[02:45] <JanC> Eminent
[02:46] <giovani> never heard of them
[02:46] <twb> Vendor OSes are stinky
[02:46] <twb> Yay for OpenWRT
[02:46] <giovani> heh
[02:47] <twb> echo $MAC $IP >>/etc/ethers && killall -USR1 dnsmasq
[02:47] <giovani> openwrt has come in handy, yes
[02:47] <twb> ...you now have fixed DHCP
[02:47] <JanC> this thing has only 6.3 MiB of RAM according to /proc/meminfo
[02:47] <giovani> not abnormal
[02:48] <giovani> some of the linksys get by on 2MiB
[02:48] <J-_> What defines eth0? Does eth0 also define my WAN address, or is it strictly internal?
[02:48] <twb> My expensive Asus WL-500g Premium has 32MB of RAM and something like 8MB of non-volatile storage.
[02:48] <giovani> J-_: whichever network interface is brought up first :)
[02:48] <twb> I think current OpenWRT wants about half that.
[02:48] <J-_> ohlawd
[02:48] <JanC> it's a Texas Instrument AR7 based ADSL modem/router
[02:48] <giovani> J-_: that's how windows works too
[02:49] <giovani> and virtually every other OS
[02:49] <twb> JanC: well, you're hosed then.  You can't drive an ADSL modem using Free software, because the only drivers for them are priorietary.
[02:49] <JanC> twb: my Asus WL-500gP got fried by a lightning strike at my neighbours  :-(
[02:50] <twb> JanC: bummer
[02:50] <J-_> Here's another question. I think I'm thinking of dhcp wrong in regards to interal IP. I'm using a static internal ip, would eth0 see the internal IP I gave it in my router?
[02:50] <giovani> twb: there are some adsl modems with open drivers
[02:50]  * J-_ palms a little
[02:50] <JanC> my neighbours roof got a serious hole in it, but I lost my router, LCD, display & an USB disk
[02:50] <giovani> J-_: I don't understand your question
[02:51] <twb> giovani: I stand corrected.
[02:51] <giovani> twb: not that there are a lot -- but here's one: http://speedtouch.sourceforge.net/
[02:51] <giovani> ADSL is on its way out anyway
[02:52] <JanC> giovani: heh?
[02:52] <giovani> ?
[02:52] <JanC> not in .be
[02:52] <giovani> ok?
[02:52] <JanC> ADSL2+ is the only way out of the cable monopoly here...
[02:52] <giovani> hardly a world sampling :)
[02:53] <twb> In .au most areas still use satellite
[02:53] <giovani> yeah, we've got a sprinkling of ADSL2+ here as well
[02:53] <giovani> but cable has a clear cost advantage per speed
[02:53] <giovani> and fios/ftth is expanding, and is super-cheap per speed
[02:53] <twb> Of course, in the city centers there is now ADSL2+, but most suburbs are ADSL1
[02:53] <giovani> I think in NYC only Covad offers ADSL2+
[02:53] <giovani> and it's pricey
[02:53] <J-_> My WAN ip is dynamic, while my internal IP for my server is static. Should I be using, 'auto eth0' 'iface eth0 static'?
[02:54] <giovani> 3-4x what I'm paying for cable of the same speed
[02:54]  * ScottK is a big fan of the FIOS.
[02:54] <giovani> J-_: no
[02:54] <giovani> sorry, yes
[02:54] <giovani> it should be static then
[02:54] <JanC> giovani: if the cable monopolist restricts you to 20 GiB / month for 43 euro / month...
[02:54] <J-_> Okay, whew.
[02:54] <giovani> ScottK: yeah, too bad verizon sucks ass
[02:54] <twb> giovani: cable requires laying new cables.  That's kind of expensive for most of .au's geography.
[02:54] <giovani> twb: I wasn't suggesting cable for australia?
[02:54] <ScottK> giovani: My alternative is Comcast which is MUCH worse IME.
[02:54] <giovani> australia is probably going to see more WISPs
[02:55] <giovani> ScottK: agreed
[02:55] <giovani> once wimax pricing comes down a bit
[02:55] <giovani> we'll see more regular wisps adopting it
[02:55] <ScottK> I've actually had little trouble with Verizon.  The biggest service outage I've had is when Comcast cut the fiber running cable to the neighbors.
[02:56] <giovani> they'll see speed gains over their old proprietary wireless systems
[02:56] <giovani> ScottK: support is a nightmare, but, yeah, we have a 50/20Mbps link at work
[02:56] <JanC> Wimax has the same problem as WiFi: it's shared
[02:56] <giovani> cheap as hell
[02:56] <giovani> JanC: "shared" is not accurate
[02:57] <giovani> there will be no wireless protocols in this world that have dedicated frequencies per customer, that's not a flaw of a protocol
[02:57] <giovani> but they are not "shared"
[02:57] <giovani> because of the way frequency hopping is implemeneted in newer protocols
[02:58] <giovani> wifi is not really used in the WISP world much
[02:58] <giovani> most WISP equipment is proprietary, built on the 802.11a polling spec
[02:59] <JanC> well, looking at what Wimax providers provide here, they do have a bandwidth problem...
[02:59] <giovani> yeah, that's not a limitation of the protocol really
[02:59] <giovani> that's a limitation of how much money they want to spend, and how they're going to engineer their sector antennas
[02:59] <JanC> ADSL is the only technology here where you can get (almost) unlimited  trafic
[03:00] <giovani> wimax equipment is still extremely expensive compared to the proprietary alternatives, so it's hard to justify the switch
[03:00] <JanC> so, that's why I changed from cable to ADSL...
[03:00] <giovani> yeah, US cable companies have started to implement a soft cap of 300GB/mo
[03:00] <giovani> but it's not explicitly advertised, nor enforced as a hard cap
[03:01] <giovani> not heard of DSL companies doing anything -- but their slower speeds would prevent much over 300GB/mo even at 24/7 usage
[03:01] <JanC> if the local cable company would have provided a hard cap at 100 GiB, I wouldn't have changed  :P
[03:01] <giovani> I abuse work's 50/20 fios
[03:01] <giovani> peg about 30/10 of it 24/7/365
[03:02] <giovani> no complaints from verizon :)
[03:02] <JanC> but 20 GiB / month was jus t too limiting
[03:02] <giovani> yeah, that would suck
[03:03] <JanC> just updating jaunty every day would get you there I think...
[03:03] <giovani> haha
[03:04] <giovani> yeah, I push around 100-250GB/mo regularly on my home cable
[03:04] <giovani> which is 10Mbps, and costs about $50
[03:04] <giovani> /mo
[03:05] <JanC> right, I think I will do about 100 GiB this month
[03:05] <JanC> and maybe less next month
[03:05] <JanC> and my ADSL2+ link is tuned at 15 Mbit/s
[03:06] <JanC> and costs me about 35 euro / month
[03:06] <orudie> how do you uncompress a .tar file ?
[03:06] <giovani> that's good pricing
[03:07] <JanC> a 15 Mbit/s cable connection would cost me 43 euro / month and after 20 GiB they would cap me at 3 KiB/s
[03:07] <giovani> orudie: tar -xf file.tar
[03:07] <giovani> or tar -xvvf file.tar if you want to see the progress
[03:08] <JanC> and the 20 GiB / month cap is what really drove me away
[03:09] <giovani> definitely understandable
[03:10] <JanC> I'd happily pay 43 euro for cable if it had a reasonable transfer limit
[03:10] <JanC> as cable is much more stable
[03:46] <tsrk> Are there any packages upgrades that require a system reboot to take effect?  If so, how do I know if I need to reboot?
[03:47] <JanC> tsrk: kernel upgrades are the most obvious example...
[03:47] <tsrk> yeah, but what about ones that I don't recognize as such?
[03:48] <tsrk> especially security updates that get installed automatically/
[03:48] <JanC> tsrk: and in the next Ubuntu release there is an optional screen profile that includes a "you must reboot" indicator
[03:49] <tsrk> where is that indicator?
[03:49] <tsrk> on login?
[03:49] <JanC> also, I hope you don't install updates automaticly on servers
[03:49] <JanC> tsrk: not on login, but in a status line at the bottom
[03:49] <tsrk> i do... (the "important security updates"), is that bad?
[03:49] <JanC> there is a way to get this at login too (using MOTD)
[03:50] <tsrk> ah ok
[03:50] <JanC> tsrk: all this is about the next release though
[03:50] <JanC> and I think installing security updates automaticly is bad on a server
[03:51] <tsrk> well, most packages that are installed on my server are also installed on my desktop so at this point I just reboot my servers if one of my desktop updates that's also on my server requires me to reboot
[03:51] <tsrk> why is that?
[03:51] <JanC> I prefer reviewing the changes and think about what effects they could have on my server system
[03:53] <tsrk> that's what i do with other updates
[03:53] <JanC> if they don't impact the security of my server, but break functionality, I don't install them right away  ;)
[03:54] <tsrk> so far i guess i've been lucky on the breaking functionality bit (or lack thereof)
[03:54] <JanC> of course that means you must understand the real impact & dangers
[03:54] <tsrk> hmm, yeah, sometimes i don't really know what all the updates are, i have to admit
[03:55] <tsrk> well, that's actually more true on my desktop where i don't worry about it as much
[03:55] <JanC> often I have to investigate too  ;)
[03:55] <tsrk> ah ok
[03:55] <ScottK> Subscribe to the security announcements.
[03:55] <tsrk> is there a way to "de-upgrade"?
[03:55] <tsrk> i am
[03:55] <ScottK> Those will tell you if you need to reboot.
[03:55] <tsrk> ah ok
[03:56] <tsrk> that's ubuntu-security-announce@lists.ubuntu.com?
[03:56] <JanC> ScottK: and most of the time they tell you what part of the software is impacted too
[03:56] <tsrk> (that's the one i'm subscribed too)
[03:56] <JanC> tsrk: right
[03:56] <ScottK> tsrk: I think so.  I read them on RSS.
[03:57] <tsrk> ok
[03:57] <JanC> tsrk: but subscribing to a general security announcement list is useful too
[03:57] <tsrk> non-ubuntu?'
[03:58] <JanC> that way you can sometimes read about security issues before Ubuntu has a security release
[03:59] <JanC> (even if Ubuntu is generally quite fast about security releases)
[04:00] <tsrk> ok
[04:01] <JanC> and subscribing to upstream security/announce lists is good too
[04:01] <JanC> e.g. if you use web apps
[04:02] <tsrk> ok, will do
[04:07] <JanC> "subscribing" can be using mail or RSS (like ScottK prefers apparently) or whatever means, as long as you read it very regularly
[04:07] <ScottK> Yes.  ubuntu-nl has an RSS feed for it.
[04:08] <JanC> protocol isn't important, the information is
[04:10] <ScottK> Agreed
[04:57] <oh_noes> anyone know how to update /etc/apt/sources.list inside vmbuilder's "--exec script.sh"?
[05:15] <oh_noes> Is it possible to install a package, but to tell apt-get which repo to use?  apt-get -mirror "http:/local/url" install my_package_name ?
[05:15] <p_quarles> oh_noes: yes; iirc, the option is -t $repo_name
[05:19] <oh_noes> Does that include the type? I mean main | universal etc
[05:20] <oh_noes> I want my_package_name to come from $MIRROR and inside $REPO, or equivalent to  "deb http://local/rep nightly"
[05:26] <p_quarles> oh_noes: in the repo name you gave, the release name would be "nightly"
[05:26] <p_quarles> that's what apt-get -t would specify
[05:29] <oh_noes> hrmm, my problem is my /etc/apt/sources.list is "deb http://local/ubuntu main"
[05:29] <oh_noes> but I want to install a package, that reside its the equivalent of "deb http://local/repo nightly"
[05:30] <oh_noes> I can't update sources.list .. so im hoping I can just pass it on the command line  to apt-get?
[05:30] <p_quarles> oh_noes: well first of all, those aren't valid urls
[05:30] <hads> wget the package and dpkg -i
[05:30] <p_quarles> oh_noes: second of all, I already answered your question: apt-get  -t nightly $package-name
[05:31] <p_quarles> hads: and if a package in an available repository overrides that for some reason, your solution fails
[05:31] <hads> Okay, I'll go back to what I was doing.
[05:32] <p_quarles> hads: :P ; don't be that way; I was just adding a point that could potentially be a problem; it's a decent solution
[05:33] <hads> It's the only solution if "I can't update sources.list"
[05:33] <oh_noes> p_quarles: yes I know they arent 100% valid, I just shortened them for IRC.
[05:33] <oh_noes> p_quarles: how does $(apt-get  -t nightly $package-name) know to use http::/local/repo/
[05:34] <oh_noes> I need it to use 'repo', not 'ubuntu' for the URL location
[05:35] <p_quarles> oh_noes: google apt-pinning
[05:36] <p_quarles> web sources will be far better than an irc explanation, hence my telling you to google it
[05:36] <p_quarles> it's complex and not always perfect, but if your needs go beyond what -t can do, that's what you want :D
[05:39] <oh_noes> thanks.
[05:53] <^law^> hello
[05:54] <^law^> does anybody know how to get list of services?
[06:45] <giovani> what do you mean a list of services from where?
[07:41] <maxagaz> hi
[07:43] <maxagaz> how to ckeck the free space on a hard drive in order to extend the size of a partition ?
[07:44] <didrocks> kirkland: I really like your idea on /var/lib/ecryptfs/$USER as a symlink on a removable media. You should blog something on it "Security in Ubuntu, what to do?" ;) (I didn't find anything similar, even in the Debian Security Guide)
[09:08] <leonardo> hello guys
[09:08] <leonardo> I need test my page from outside of my net
[09:09] <leonardo> please type this
[09:09] <leonardo> opensim.servehttp.com (serve ..no server)
[09:10] <leonardo> can you see the page?
[09:12] <tku> moin
[09:17] <cemc> leonardo: connecting to...
[09:17] <cemc> not working
[09:18] <leonardo> grrr , thanks cemc
[09:18] <cemc> firewall ?
[09:18] <leonardo> I can't find the problem ..let me test...off the fire
[09:19] <cemc> see if apache is listening on port 80
[09:19] <cemc> netstat -nlp |grep apache
[09:19] <cemc> sudo
[09:19] <leonardo> yep, it is ... I am running this server on a virtaul machine...in xp
[09:20] <leonardo> and..in my net...I can see just perfect
[09:20] <leonardo> but ...from outside nothiing
[09:20] <|HSO|SadiQ> I try to ssh into a server and I can't get color into the ls command...can anyone help me?
[09:21] <leonardo> the ports ar open
[09:21] <cemc> leonardo: virtual machine?
[09:21] <cemc> like which one ?
[09:21] <leonardo> virtualbox
[09:21] <cemc> and what kind of networking did you set up for the guest ?
[09:21] <leonardo> test it now cemc please
[09:22] <leonardo> interface host
[09:22] <cemc> nope, not working
[09:22] <cemc> connection refused now
[09:22] <cemc> you're getting closer :-)
[09:22] <leonardo> hehe
[09:22] <leonardo> I think...the virtual box is the problem
[09:23] <cemc> |HSO|SadiQ: try ls --color=auto
[09:23] <leonardo> because the no-ip works fine
[09:23] <|HSO|SadiQ> that works...but not if I put it in .bashrc
[09:23] <cemc> leonardo: the host is winxp, and guest is ubuntu?
[09:24] <leonardo> I am on XP and I am runnig ubuntu in virtaulbox
[09:25] <cemc> |HSO|SadiQ: what release is that you're ssh into? on my hardy there's an alias ls='ls --color=auto' when i log in
[09:26] <cemc> leonardo: and you have that IP address on the virtualbox? and if you ping it from outside, it gets to the guest ?
[09:26] <|HSO|SadiQ> 8.04 (I didn't install it)...and it has root user enabled(the guy that installed it is a debian user)
[09:26] <|HSO|SadiQ> that alias works for root user...but not the normal one
[09:27] <cemc> |HSO|SadiQ: what shell does the normal user have?
[09:27] <leonardo> the no-ip account and soft are installed on ubuntu (virtaulbox)
[09:27] <|HSO|SadiQ> echo $SHELL
[09:27] <|HSO|SadiQ> /bin/bash
[09:28] <cemc> leonardo: no-ip account ?
[09:28] <leonardo> when I type the address (noip) opens my router setup
[09:28] <leonardo> because i have dynamic ip
[09:29] <|HSO|SadiQ> cemc, this is the user's .bashrc(for now): http://paste.ubuntu.com/125659/
[09:31] <leonardo> cemc, can you test it one more time please
[09:31] <cemc> leonardo: not working
[09:32] <leonardo> ok, thanks anyway cemc ;)
[09:34] <cemc> |HSO|SadiQ: I have the same thing in my .bashrc. can you check the file's permissions and owner?
[09:35] <cemc> leonardo: if you try a ping from outside, does it reach your ubuntu guest? do you see it with tcpdump on eth0 ?
[09:36] <|HSO|SadiQ> cemc, -rw-r--r--  1 hso  hso   499 2009-03-03 08:41 .bashrc
[09:37] <leonardo> cemc: the ping are perfect...this is very strange
[09:37] <cemc> |HSO|SadiQ: and what does echo $TERM say ?
[09:37] <|HSO|SadiQ> xterm
[09:38] <cemc> it sould work, hm
[09:38] <cemc> leonardo: and you really sure that apache is listening on 190.138.162.68:80 ?
[09:40] <leonardo> yep, are listening on 80 port ... is there another file to set up?
[09:41] <leonardo> wich .conf because apache2 ...tells me..he is listening on 80
[09:42] <cemc> leonardo: don't look at the conf, look at netstat output
[09:42] <drbobb> hey, it's been a while since i built kernels on my own.. how com are the *.ko files produced by building with make-kpkg a whole LOT larger than those that come with a binary linux-image package?
[09:43] <drbobb> and i do mean a LOT, like 6x or so
[09:44] <mufasis1> can anyone help me real quick im trying to install ubuntu server on a proliant dl320 with raid1
[09:44] <mufasis1> im at the partitioning part
[09:44] <mufasis1> anyone here
[09:44] <mufasis1> ?
[09:45] <cemc> mufasis1: what do you want to know?
[09:46] <mufasis1> how i should partition and if i should use lvm
[09:46] <mufasis1> in the bios of the server its setup as raid1
[09:46] <mufasis1> it has two identical 80gb HD
[09:47] <mufasis1> im kinda confused how i need to do the partitions though
[09:47] <mufasis1> if i let ubuntu decide it will just do / and a swap
[09:47] <mufasis1> is it better to manually do individual partitons for /var /home /usr etc?
[09:49] <cemc> mufasis1: well, that's up to you, what do you use that server for, what are your preferences, etc
[09:49] <_ruben> there's no general best way of partitioning a machine
[09:49] <drbobb> i'd say that kind of depends on what you'll be using that machine for
[09:49] <_ruben> !best
[09:49] <mufasis1> well i got this server for free and its kinda of a project to learn so i want a basis for web hosting and file hosting on my network
[09:49] <cemc> mufasis1: I usually just have a / (20gb), and a /store, without lvm
[09:49] <mufasis1> i want some secure
[09:50] <mufasis1> something*
[09:50] <mufasis1> im still kinda confused is LVM using for raid or how does that work
[09:50]  * _ruben doesnt have a single box without lvm :p
[09:50] <_ruben> !lvm
[09:51] <_ruben> lvm really doesnt have anything to do with raid (other than that lvm has some support for raid0 (which isnt raid))
[09:52] <drbobb> if you plan to serve filesystems on the LAN via nfs, it definitely is better to make the exported tree a separate partition
[09:53] <mufasis1> that raid link is broken
[09:54] <cemc> it's working for me, maybe you did a wrong copy-paste ;)
[10:03] <_ruben> searching for raid configuration on help.ubuntu.com yields quite some articles
[10:06] <simplexio> mufasis1: something secure ? 2*hd, then use raid1 + dmcrypt
[10:10] <amel_enis> HELP:i have a problem in mysql :ubuntu server8.10.
[10:10] <amel_enis> can I explain my prb?
[10:11] <amel_enis> I instaled ubuntu server 8.10 so the lamp too
[10:12] <simplexio> amel_enis: usually its only way to get help. in future you can start converstaion. hey, i have problem, my mysql wont start. it gives me error X .. all in same line
[10:13] <amel_enis> but when i configure the database ,i have this message:Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                                                                                             [fail]
[10:13] <amel_enis> yhanks
[10:13] <amel_enis> ths
[10:13] <amel_enis> ok
[10:14] <amel_enis>  I try to reconfigure mysql server but the prb persist
[10:15] <amel_enis> i try to remove mysql server in synaptics (remove all) and to reinstall, but the prb persist
[10:15] <amel_enis> i can send the log
[10:16] <simplexio> amel_enis: i dont use mysql , but if i recall right you need to do some pre-start stuff like create db, and users
[10:16] <simplexio> amel_enis: throw log into pastebin
[10:16] <amel_enis>  /etc/init.d/mysql start
[10:16] <amel_enis>  * Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                                                                                             [fail]
[10:16] <amel_enis> amel@ubuntu:~$ tail /var/log/syslog
[10:16] <amel_enis> Mar  3 10:41:48 ubuntu mysqld[18100]: InnoDB: The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to
[10:16] <amel_enis> Mar  3 10:41:48 ubuntu mysqld[18100]: InnoDB: the directory.
[10:16] <amel_enis> Mar  3 10:41:48 ubuntu mysqld[18100]: InnoDB: File name ./ibdata1
[10:16] <amel_enis> Mar  3 10:41:48 ubuntu mysqld[18100]: InnoDB: File operation call: 'create'.
[10:16] <amel_enis> Mar  3 10:41:48 ubuntu mysqld[18100]: InnoDB: Cannot continue operation.
[10:16] <amel_enis> Mar  3 10:41:48 ubuntu mysqld_safe[18106]: ended
[10:16] <amel_enis> Mar  3 10:42:01 ubuntu /etc/init.d/mysql[18259]: 0 processes alive and '/usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping' resulted in
[10:16] <amel_enis> Mar  3 10:42:02 ubuntu /etc/init.d/mysql[18259]: Could not open required defaults file: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
[10:16] <amel_enis> Mar  3 10:42:02 ubuntu /etc/init.d/mysql[18259]: Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted
[10:16] <amel_enis> Mar  3 10:42:02 ubuntu /etc/init.d/mysql[18259]:
[10:16]  * simplexio slaps amel_enis 
[10:16] <Hellsheep> Would have been better to pastebin it
[10:16] <simplexio> amel_enis: not that way
[10:17] <Hellsheep> pastebin.com
[10:17] <simplexio> amel_enis: usually you paste those long log files into pastebin.com, then paste link to content
[10:17] <Hellsheep> Random question, is here a good place to ask how to use a Linux Server as a "router" so to speak.
[10:18] <simplexio> amel_enis: and problem is that you dont have permission to execute it, try sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start ? oor similiat
[10:18] <simplexio> Hellsheep: dont know about good places, but you can try iy here
[10:19] <Hellsheep> Well, basically i am planning on setting up my Ubuntu server to be more than just a standard server on the network
[10:19] <Hellsheep> I was planning on routing the net through it to abuse IP tables or something similar to that to record bandwidth or download usage on my network
[10:19] <amel_enis> ok i try this: the result: sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start
[10:19] <amel_enis> [sudo] password for amel:
[10:19] <amel_enis> sudo: /etc/init.d/mysqld: command not found
[10:20] <Hellsheep> But the problem i have is that i have never done anything like that, and i don't know if it's as simple as plugging the modem into the server, then plugging a ethernet cable into a router from the server and then using a router to route the connections through that.
[10:20] <domas> amel_enis: 'mysql'
[10:20] <simplexio> amel_enis: look for mysql something file in /etc/init.d/
[10:20] <Hellsheep> I know it'd take a bit of configuring, but where do i start?
[10:20] <simplexio> Hellsheep: i havent done that kind router systems before, i use transparent bridge my self. but it should be easy. attleast that connection sharing
[10:20] <amel_enis> the same result
[10:21] <amel_enis> amel@ubuntu:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
[10:21] <amel_enis>  * Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                                                                                             [fail]
[10:21] <amel_enis> amel@ubuntu:~$
[10:21] <_ruben> amel_enis: do you have the file /etc/mysql/debian.cnf?
[10:21] <Hellsheep> Also, what kind of Network card would i need?
[10:22] <Hellsheep> Because i'm sure a single 1 port ethernet wont work
[10:22] <amel_enis> no
[10:22] <_ruben> Hellsheep: any card would do really
[10:22] <Hellsheep> I need a network card that would allow information to be passed into the server from the modem, then route the internet out into the router to the other computers
[10:22] <simplexio> Hellsheep: something that works :), you need just 2 ethernet card on computer , im assuming that adsl box has ether connection
[10:22] <Hellsheep> Do you know of anything that would be helpful?
[10:23] <Hellsheep> Sure does
[10:23] <simplexio> Hellsheep: modem ?
[10:23] <Hellsheep> IConnect Access 621
[10:23] <Hellsheep> And they both use ethernet to connect to each other atm
[10:23] <Hellsheep> So would i be able to use the onboard ethernet then a PCI ethernet
[10:23] <Hellsheep> or would i need 2x PCI
[10:24] <Hellsheep> Because i know sometimes it conflicts and PCI overrides the on board
[10:24] <Hellsheep> so sometimes on board doesnt work if there is a PCI installed
[10:24] <amel_enis> yes i have etc/mysql/debian.cnf
[10:25] <simplexio> Hellsheep: cant help with bad hardware, but in theory its easy. some interface which has internet , then N interfaces which have connection which you want (ethernet usually), add iptables NAT and it should work
[10:26] <_ruben> amel_enis: it appears to be a rights issue .. purge mysql-server (not just remove, purge removes configs as well), then reinstall
[10:27] <amel_enis> my be i try this but I try this again
[10:27] <Hellsheep> simplexio, i take it you're referring to the shitty OpenNetworks modem? ;P
[10:27] <amel_enis> thks
[10:28] <Hellsheep> Oh, i have to ask this
[10:28] <Hellsheep> Is it possible to shutdown my ubuntu sever and save a image so when it next boots, it reloads all the processes that were running etc
[10:29] <simplexio> Hellsheep: i think suspend to disk does that
[10:29] <Hellsheep> That would save me starting up the processes one by one each time, because my rc.local doesnt seem to work
[10:30] <simplexio> but i dont use that stuff at all on my computers so cant help with that.
[10:30] <Hellsheep> Hmmm
[10:30] <Hellsheep> Okay
[10:30] <Hellsheep> and is it normal
[10:30] <Hellsheep> if i start up a process in console
[10:31] <Hellsheep> for when i close console, the process closes also
[10:32] <simplexio> Hellsheep: for normal programs, yes
[10:33] <simplexio> Hellsheep: if you start programs in daemonixed mode then they dont die
[10:33] <Hellsheep> I see
[10:33] <Hellsheep> Ty
[10:34] <simplexio> i dont recall right words it. but it has somehting to do with parents,child, forking, threads and job control
[10:35] <simplexio> Hellsheep: but if you want run some program that dosent have option to daemonize it all times, you can start console , then screen and then under screen start for an example top, or iptraf etc...
[10:36] <simplexio> Hellsheep: and when you kill console, screen and stuff under it keep on runnign
[10:36] <amel_enis> hi
[10:36] <amel_enis> i try and this is the result:amel@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get --purge remove mysql-serverLecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[10:36] <amel_enis> Construction de l'arbre des dépendances
[10:36] <amel_enis> Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
[10:36] <amel_enis> Les paquets suivants ont été installés automatiquement et ne sont plus nécessaires :
[10:36] <amel_enis>   libstrigiqtdbusclient0 libclucene0ldbl mesa-utils libwildmidi0 libqca2
[10:38] <simplexio> amel_enis: use that pastebin when you paste more that one line
[10:39] <amel_enis> sorry it s my first use ,then i dont know how use pastebin
[10:39] <_ruben> nor do i know enough french to understand a word of that output
[10:40] <simplexio> and i recommend using english as default language on system. there is much more ppl whoi can help you
[10:41] <amel_enis> then any idea???
[10:41] <amel_enis> to resolve my problem
[10:42] <simplexio> did you try to reisntall stuff?, dpkg-reconfigure mysql could help
[10:42] <simplexio> or not
[10:42] <amel_enis> i try this but the same result
[10:42] <simplexio> im familiar only with postgresql
[10:43] <amel_enis> not prb ,ths
[10:43] <simplexio> i think there is some howto setup mysql for ubuntu in net. my best quess is that you havent done something that you should have
[10:44] <amel_enis> ok
[10:48] <Hellsheep> simplexio
[10:48] <Hellsheep> Do you know if my system will work if i use onboard ethernet for one and PCI ethernet card for the other
[10:49] <Hellsheep> Because it will register two network interfaces right?
[10:49] <Hellsheep> eth0 and eth1
[10:49] <Hellsheep> hopefully?
[10:57] <Hellsheep> Is anyone familiar here on how to set up a system that the modem sends the internet information into the server computer via ethernet, the server then sends it out to a router via another ethernet card and then the router transmits the data and routes it to all the computers on the network
[10:57] <Hellsheep> If you are, i could really use some help on setting up the network cards.
[11:00] <oCean_> Hellsheep: forums seem to be down (I get database error) I think that searching for "bridge" should give some helpful info
[11:01] <Hellsheep> Thanks.
[11:02] <Hellsheep> :)
[11:02] <Hellsheep> I'll have to search tomorrow i guess.
[11:02] <Hellsheep> Seems the forums are down for the long run. =P
[11:02] <Hellsheep> Thanks though.
[11:05] <oCean_> When searching through google, links might be available by clicking on 'in cache'
[11:05] <oCean_> well, partially available anyway.
[11:06] <Hellsheep> Yeah, i noticed. :D
[11:06] <Hellsheep> Thanks guys
[11:25] <simplexio> henkjan: da
[11:55] <incorrect> I am trying to find what package might have socketbits.h
[12:03] <_ruben> incorrect: apparently none: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=socketbits.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=intrepid&arch=any
[12:04] <incorrect> thanks,  I did that too, i just thought i must have done something wrong
[12:17] <kirkland> didrocks: ;-)  sure, I'll do that
[13:46] <calin> hello
[13:47] <calin> can anyone help me with a postfix problem: I send email form PHP scripts which are suexeced and i want to add the Sender header to the email with the user which is sending the email
[13:56] <ScottK> calin: Sender is part of the body of the message.  Not postfix's problem.
[14:01] <calin> ScottK: in DomainKeys sepcification it says that A conforming email MAY contain a single RFC2822 "Sender:" header from which an email address with a domain name can be extracted.
[14:02] <ScottK> calin: This is true, but postfix doesn't mess with the RFC2822 body.
[14:02] <ScottK> That doesn't mean the MTA should insert the header, but that it may be present.
[14:03] <calin> ScottK: aham, but do you know how can i set this header before sending the email? because if i only set the From: header the mail ends up in the spam folder
[14:03] <ScottK> calin: Also you should probably be spending your effort currently on DKIM, since even Yahoo! is switching.
[14:04] <ScottK> You need to do it in your PHP script.
[14:04] <calin> I already installed DKIM (and it's working good for gmail)
[14:04] <calin> ok
[14:04] <ScottK> It's also very unlikely to change the result, but that's a separate issue.
[14:04] <calin> thanks
[14:29] <piti> hi. I'd like to install debugging symbols for php5 on hardy, but there isn't any package for it. I show there was one for intrepid. Have I a way to retreive symbols when I have a crash ?
[14:32] <JanC> piti: do you have the repositories listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash ?
[14:35] <piti> hum, I guess no. ddebs are for debugging ?
[14:41] <_ruben> yes
[14:43] <piti> thanks. I didn't know that debug syms were on separate repos
[15:10] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #337255 in apache2 (main) "apache2 mod_proxy race condition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337255
[15:11] <domas> hi! how do I find out how loaded my I/O subsystem is? (another tricky question)
[15:12] <_ruben> iostat, as part of the sysstat package
[15:14] <incorrect> vmstat is your friend
[15:35] <dmaran> Anyone point me to a good explanation of "compat" in the NIS nsswitch.conf
[15:40] <dsmith-work> dmaran: http://www.daemon-systems.org/man/nsswitch.conf.5.html
[15:40] <JanC> dmaran: did you read the manpage?
[15:40] <JanC> especially the "Interaction with +/- syntax (compat mode)" topic
[15:40] <dmaran> Yes, I read the man page.
[15:43] <dmaran> I am trying to grasp what it means though, so it is saying that it uses NIS first but just adds the options associated with +/- ?
[15:43] <dmaran> as +::::: is everything from NIS so compat just says ok you can block JoeUser?
[15:44] <dsmith-work> (my understanding) compat means files but also using +- syntax in files.
[17:01] <nealmcb> !screen
[17:03] <Jeeves_> Hi all!
[17:03] <Jeeves_> Anyone here ever used the iscsi-function in the installer?
[17:03] <Jeeves_> (Hardy, that is)
[17:11] <dsmith-work> Nice.  Didn't know there was an info bot in here.
[17:42] <maDChoPR> what is the recommended DNS server for Ubuntu server?  Bind or OpenDNS ?
[17:43] <maDChoPR> nevermind
[17:44] <LMJ> I used to pick dnsmasq maDChoPR
[17:45] <Vog-work> maDChoPR: I recommend avoiding the PITA that is admining you own DNS server and let zoneedit.com do it for you for free. Well free as long as you have less than 5 tld..
[17:45] <domas> unbound!
[17:46] <domas> Vog-work: I find that most of those services don't support LOC records! :(
[17:47] <Vog-work> domas: For me zoneedit handles everything I need it to, it's capable of more htan what more DNS services can do.
[17:50] <Vog-work> domas: Yeah I don't see an immeadiate setting for loc records but apparently loc records are available from them on a pay basis. No details on how to follow up on that though.
[17:58] <nealmcb> kirkland: note that ljl didn't want to put "screen-profiles" in the main version of the screen factoid partly since it isn't in an active release yet.  but it is noted in the factoid when the request comes from #ubuntu-server
[18:00] <maDChoPR> so let me explain a predicament i'm in.. Our ISP supplied a router that they control and won't let us access.  It offers DHCP addresses to everyone.  If i have a static address on the network it can't get passed the router.  I would like to be able to use Bacula to backup the hosts on our network... but the hosts receive a DHCP address.  I was told i could use hostnames but that I need a DNS for the hostname resolution on our ne
[18:01] <maDChoPR> i was actually planning on running my own DHCP server and DNS in house
[18:01] <maDChoPR> and natting that through a firewall that i also build... into the router supplied through our ISP
[18:04] <giovani> double NAT
[18:04] <giovani> = messy messy
[18:06] <giovani> what type of connection is this? and in what country?
[18:09] <maDChoPR> i'm in ohio
[18:09] <maDChoPR> united states
[18:09] <maDChoPR> and it's just a crappy dsl line
[18:09] <maDChoPR> yea, it would be a double nat, your right.
[18:09] <maDChoPR> one nat i have no control over, and my firewall would be hooked into it -- the second nat would be on the firewall itself serving the rest of my computers
[18:10] <maDChoPR> please note that connectino from our ISP is free.. it's for promotional purposes for the ISP
[18:10] <maDChoPR> we've had the connection for more than 6 years now.
[18:15] <maDChoPR> giovani: any advice would be helpful, any clarification you need please ask.
[18:20] <maDChoPR> it wouldn't be NAT'd in parrellel though... if that's what you mean, the NAT from the router to the firewall, then the firewall will supply NAT to the rest of the network ... it should work from what i am thinking.
[18:21] <maDChoPR> this is only until we get a real service provider where we can controll the router
[18:21] <maDChoPR> that could take a year or two though
[18:32] <giovani> is the router and modem one item? or are they separate?
[18:44] <giovani> maDChoPR
[18:57] <Vog-work> double NAT is messy but it would be the most simple solution if the bacula system is on the same network.
[18:58] <Vog-work> the moden could then be treated as a dumb modem.
[18:58] <giovani> well, if the router is a separate device ... the most simple solution is to replace it and forge its MAC address :)
[18:59] <JanC> giovani: what's the problem with double NAT ?
[18:59] <Vog-work> That's true, if the bacula system is on the other side of the router dyn DNS would have to be setup to account for the IP address changing.
[18:59] <giovani> JanC: sigh, it's horribly messy, NAT alone is messy
[18:59] <giovani> I don't want another pedantic argument though, so I'm leaving it at that
[19:00] <Vog-work> giovani: It's nescesarry with Todays limited IP space.
[19:00] <giovani> Vog-work: yes, but double-nat isn't
[19:00] <giovani> the bottom line is -- there's probably a way around this, so, settling for the easy, yet bad route, is not one I would advise
[19:01] <Vog-work> In this situation it is. I know of other people who use double NAT as a form of network obfuscation when used in vonjunction with the MAC spoofing you suggested.
[19:01] <drbobb> aaghhh i'm getting a machine check exception panic on my desktop workstation
[19:01] <Deeps> needs moar ipv6
[19:01] <giovani> Vog-work: what is "network obfuscation"?
[19:01]  * Vog-work Hopes drbobb keeps good backups
[19:02] <drbobb> the message says it's a hardware failure, but two hours of googling have failed to answer what actually might be failing
[19:02] <Vog-work> giovani: Basically a practice where you use NAT to hide services that are running on you network from external hosts. A poor mans firewall.
[19:03] <Deeps> very poor man
[19:03] <giovani> Vog-work: I don't know how that relates to double-nat, but ok
[19:04] <giovani> most NAT implementations ARE firewalls also
[19:04] <Vog-work> Deeps: Agreed, At the time I asked why and ther was a logical answer I don't remember.
[19:04] <giovani> default ingress deny, egress allow, with connection state tracking
[19:04] <giovani> that's how 99.9% of nats are ... and that's a firewall
[19:05] <Deeps> Vog-work: "dont know how to setup a stateful firewall, default inbound deny, default outbound accept" is the only logical answer i can think of, heh
[19:05] <drbobb> Vog-work: the machine passes fsck ok, but panics soon after
[19:05] <Vog-work> giovani: I'm not promoting use of the idea, just mentioning what I have seen out in the wild.
[19:05] <giovani> Vog-work: but double-nat doesn't accomplish that, single-nat will just fine -- so I'm unclear how that relates to this particular situation
[19:06] <Vog-work> giovani: It dosen't it was a point of conversation.
[19:06] <giovani> ok ...
[19:06] <giovani> well back to maDChoPR's problem -- I'd like to know if the modem and router are separate devices, if so -- there is a much easier solution
[19:07] <Vog-work> giovani: Double nat might be necessary if the router and modem are the same device. Wait's for maDChoPR 's response.
[19:08] <giovani> Vog-work: well, technically not -- ADSL is a standard, he can always replace the modem and router together, but, that's more trouble, because it requires buying hardware
[19:09] <giovani> or *gasp* switch ISPs
[19:09] <Vog-work> It would also require the ISP to provide account information to allow the modem to connect.
[19:09] <giovani> only if they're using PPP
[19:09] <giovani> they may not be ... it'd probably be faster to just brute force the router's password
[19:09] <Deeps> can usually dump the current modemrouter's config and pull it out
[19:10] <giovani> Deeps: except that he doesn't have access
[19:10] <Vog-work> Yeah, I don't htink that's something the general user really knows how to do.
[19:10] <giovani> yeah ... this isn't a general-user situation
[19:10] <giovani> a general user wouldn't need to run their own dhcp
[19:11] <Vog-work> Bull crap, general users do that every day to allow internet connection sharing.
[19:11] <giovani> uh ... regular users wouldn't have a problem using the built-in dhcp in the router
[19:11] <giovani> 100% of them do
[19:11] <giovani> a regular user has no clue what dhcp is
[19:11] <giovani> much less a desire to run their own server
[19:12] <Vog-work> And neither would maDChoPR if he had access to it.
[19:12] <giovani> agreed
[19:12] <giovani> but he's not a general user, obviously
[19:13] <Deeps> so how does his adsl router relate to ubuntu server exactly? ;)
[19:13] <Deeps> (getting back on topic ;)
[19:13] <Vog-work> Yeah but having the knowledge to setup a dchp server and the knowledge to dump a config from *any* modem router is fairly different.
[19:13] <J-_> I'm trying to setup my interfaces file once again. Is the 'network xxx.xxx.x.x setting my router's IP?
[19:14] <giovani> J-_: no
[19:14] <giovani> read the manpage -- we went over this for over an hour yesterday
[19:14] <J-_> No, you argued about it with 2 or 3 other people about it yesterday.
[19:15] <giovani> no? we didn't
[19:15] <J-_> Heh
[19:15] <giovani> you clearly weren't listening ... do we need to paste logs? just read the documentation provided for the file
[19:15] <cemc> don't waste your breath :)
[19:16] <Vog-work> giovani: Why don't you just paste RTFM every time soneone asks for help it would be a lot simpler and a lot less antagonistic.
[19:16] <giovani> Vog-work: were you here yesterday when we walked him through it? if not ... then you're not in a position to be lecturing
[19:17] <giovani> it's one thing to explain it, in great detail once
[19:17] <Vog-work> I'm just going off of personal experience. The last few days. Personally I like it when people adopt ubuntu as a platform and try not to scare them away when they ask for help.
[19:17] <drbobb> heh, seems quite a few ppl have experienced the same MCE panic, with the exact same code
[19:18] <ewook> morning all.
[19:18] <drbobb> but google finds only questions and no answers:(
[19:18] <giovani> Vog-work: likewise, as long as the help is reasonable -- I've had no less than 5 people in here yell and scream anytime someone talks about an ubuntu package that relates to a gui, because this is #ubuntu-server -- if I help someone do something non-ubuntu related once, and they come back for the same information again, they're not going to get another personal explanation
[19:21] <Vog-work> giovani: Agreed, let someone else help them. I'm not disputing the fact people need to look stuff up, I'm pressing for no response instead of calling someone out for not learning fast enough.
[19:22] <maDChoPR> giovani: the router and modem are seperate items
[19:22] <maDChoPR> giovani: sorry - running around
[19:22] <giovani> maDChoPR: great, then chances are (no guarantees), that you can simply forge the MAC address of the router, and take it out
[19:22] <giovani> you may not even have to do that ... but it's probable that you will
[19:23] <giovani> Vog-work: well, we differ on that -- I think that just ends up in a constant cycle where they find someone new who wasn't here the past X times they asked for extremely basic help that was given
[19:23] <maDChoPR> giovani: well, i don't want to get on my ISP's bad side... when you say 'take it out' do you mean the current router?  that might cause alarm on my ISP's end.
[19:23] <giovani> yes, I do mean that
[19:23] <giovani> I would advise against any solution involving double NAT
[19:23] <giovani> strongly
[19:24] <giovani> you're clearly free to go that route ... but I think it's a horribly bad solution where a simple one exists
[19:24] <ewook> giovani: yes and no. first NAT with a DMZ, second nat with 'ppl' behind :)
[19:24] <giovani> ewook: nope
[19:24] <maDChoPR> giovani: understood regarding double nat; what exactly is the simple solution?  taking out the router that my ISP put into place isn't a choice.
[19:24] <Vog-work> giovani: Yeah I've watched that happen, but over the years as an OSS and linux advocate I've found that if you press too hard on self help you can make anti linux zealots.
[19:25] <giovani> maDChoPR: that's the simple solution -- I've done it dozens of times
[19:25] <maDChoPR> ewook: that is what i plan on doing
[19:25] <giovani> Vog-work: I don't believe one has that much control over an individual, anyone who turns out that way was doomed to begin with, imo
[19:25] <Vog-work> giovani: people eventually learn how to help themselves, not everyone is a self starter, it's a common problem for managers.
[19:25] <ewook> maDChoPR: could work, but adds trouble - and that's prolly what giovani speaks of.
[19:26] <Vog-work> maDChoPR: Your ISP shouldn't even know about it it sounds like they just don't want to have to support your network.
[19:26] <J-_> How do I determine my 'iface eth0 inet static' interfaces entry?
[19:26] <J-_> ifconfig doesn't show it.
[19:27] <maDChoPR> alright, thank you, what if my ISP tries to log into the router?
[19:27] <maDChoPR> i'm not trying to create bad ground between my business and the router
[19:27] <maDChoPR> er i mean the ISP
[19:28] <Vog-work> maDChoPR: Just fake that your having netowrk issues your self and swap the router back in... :)
[19:28] <giovani> your isp is violating your consumer rights
[19:28] <giovani> virtually no isps do this except the ones that cater to shit-stupid client companies
[19:28] <Vog-work> giovani: not sure about that it is a free service....
[19:28] <maDChoPR> giovani: it's free internet, we aren't a consumer.. they give us internet to market to the wireless community in this area.
[19:28] <giovani> Vog-work: what?? an ISP is NOT a free service
[19:28] <giovani> free internet?
[19:28] <giovani> oh no
[19:28] <Vog-work> giovani: see maDChoPR 's explanation above
[19:29] <giovani> please don't run your business on free wireless
[19:29] <maDChoPR> we have a partnership.. they give us free internet and they market to our patrons in house.
[19:29] <ScottK> giovani: Also 'consumer rights' varies widely in different legal jurisdictions, so the odds of you knowing if someone else's rights are being violated are probably pretty low.
[19:29] <maDChoPR>  giovani well it's not wireless we're using.. it's the wired part of the wrtg that we use.
[19:29] <giovani> ScottK: I didn't mean legally, consumer rights is a term used to discuss fair practices, as established by consumer advocates
[19:30] <J-_> !interfaces
[19:30] <ScottK> That's also a term that has different meanings in different palces.
[19:30] <giovani> J-_: man interfaces
[19:30] <maDChoPR> giovani: thanks for the talk though.. makes me want to push my business into getting it's own internet connection for once and for all.
[19:30] <J-_> I have
[19:30] <giovani> maDChoPR: I recommend it -- it's not a good thing to not have control like that
[19:30] <giovani> if you need cheap business-friendly dsl
[19:30] <giovani> look at speakeasy
[19:30] <giovani> they're far more liberal than most ISPs
[19:30] <maDChoPR> i don't think speakeasy serves in my area :(
[19:31] <giovani> ah
[19:31] <giovani> newedge?
[19:31] <maDChoPR> i used speakeasy on the west coast
[19:31] <maDChoPR> i will look into newedge
[19:31] <giovani> speakeasy delivers whever covad is -- so just worth looking it up
[19:31] <giovani> http://www.newedgenetworks.com/
[19:31] <maDChoPR> yea, i think i tried just recently our zip code on speakeasy's site.. i'll try again
[19:31] <giovani> ah ok
[19:31] <giovani> they usually want a phone number, not a zip
[19:32] <maDChoPR> ah can't remmber the details...
[19:32] <maDChoPR> will re-look
[19:32] <giovani> because the CLEC is based per CO, rather than for a whole area
[19:32] <giovani> maDChoPR: have you considered explaining the predicament to your isp?
[19:32] <giovani> and trying to negotiate the use of your own router
[19:32] <leonel> scottK  Being registered in alitoh for clamav  what can I do there ??
[19:33] <ScottK> IIRC it gives you access to the Git repo for the packaging.
[19:33] <ScottK> Which I desparately need to update for Ubuntu stuff.
[19:33] <leonel> ok
[19:33] <leonel> so just get the git   or  update too ?
[19:34] <maDChoPR> giovani: i have tried to open a dialogue with the ISP.... my understanding is that the backend are all on crack and i don't want to deal with them anyway.
[19:34] <maDChoPR> the frontend guys seem nice though.
[19:35] <giovani> sounds like a company you'd want to do business with :)
[19:35] <ScottK> leonel: If you can update the Ubuntu branch that'd be reat.
[19:35] <maDChoPR> i know their backend guys are fueled not by caffiene but with meth
[19:35] <giovani> J-_: this is the example in /etc/network/interfaces by default -- can you figure things out from here? http://www.pastebin.ca/1352138
[19:36] <maDChoPR> speakeasy can't locate me!
[19:36] <maDChoPR> lol
[19:36] <giovani> locate you?
[19:36] <giovani> you put in a valid landline phone number
[19:36] <maDChoPR> yea, still nothing
[19:36] <maDChoPR> we got different numbers, let me try those
[19:36] <leonel> scottK because I've been told that I can  update the  cherokee  branch
[19:36] <giovani> or try http://www.covad.com/
[19:37] <ScottK> Great.
[19:37] <leonel> so let me see what I can do ..
[19:37] <leonel> worst thing can happen is to get banned :-P
[19:38] <ScottK> leonel: The branch should be updated to have each Jaunty upload as a separate commit.
[19:38] <leonel> scottK ol
[19:38] <leonel> ok
[19:41] <maDChoPR> giovani: covad found it and doesn't offer it in my area.. newedge check happenign now
[19:41] <giovani> maDChoPR: ah ok
[19:42] <Vog-work> J-_: Pretty good document covering a lot of command line net config under ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/network-configuration.html
[19:42] <maDChoPR> giovani: newedge covers our area though
[19:44] <giovani> maDChoPR: alright, well those were just two I have worked with -- there are others, I'm sure, I'd also look into any fiber services like fios or uverse
[19:44] <drbobb> ok so i presume nobody has any help to offer on diagnosing MCEs
[19:44] <giovani> those are really cheap given the speeds they deliver
[19:44] <giovani> drbobb: MCEs?
[19:44] <drbobb> machine check exceptions
[19:45] <giovani> ah, nah, sorry
[19:45] <giovani> other than to know that they're usually failing hardware
[19:45] <maDChoPR> yea, newedge seems a little weird at first look!  earthlink email addresses??
[19:45] <giovani> cpu/memory usually
[19:45] <giovani> maDChoPR: earthlink owns them
[19:45] <drbobb> it's pretty clear i must replace some h/w but i have no idea which piece
[19:45] <giovani> maDChoPR: I'm not recommending them or anything -- definitely evaluate your options
[19:45] <giovani> drbobb: yeah ... I think you just have to do testing
[19:46] <giovani> drbobb: there are cpu and memory testing apps
[19:46] <drbobb> actually my guess would be the mo-bo
[19:46] <maDChoPR> giovani: ahh rad thanks for that statement.
[19:46] <Vog-work> drbobb: Have you run  a memtest86+ on the system yet?
[19:46] <drbobb> but that's just as good as dumping the whole pc
[19:46] <drbobb> Vog-work: sure i did, for an hour or so
[19:46] <drbobb> no errors were reported
[19:47] <Vog-work> HOw old is the motherboard?
[19:47] <drbobb> (on a regular boot it takes 2or 3 minutes to panic)
[19:47] <drbobb> uh, about 3 or 4 ys.
[19:47] <Vog-work> I was getting MCE's on another machine that was getting blown capicitors
[19:48] <drbobb> the capacitors look fine at first glance
[19:48] <drbobb> i tried moving the ram chips around, and removing 1 or 2 of them
[19:48] <drbobb> but it made no difference
[19:48] <Vog-work> Check for bulging on the tops of them check under good light sometimes it is hard to see.
[19:49] <drbobb> (sigh) i'll probably have to dump the whole deal
[19:49] <Vog-work> If it's ram cpu or mobo problems it is very difficiult to diagnose. ONly other thing I can thing of is if the hard drive is failing and swap space might me corrupted.
[19:50] <Vog-work> All in all it's a lot of work to figure out.
[19:50] <ScottK> drbobb: If it's 3-4 years old it's already used up most of it's design service life and you may be better off just to get a new motherboard.
[19:50] <drbobb> well i ran smart tests not too long ago and the drive was reported as ok
[19:51] <drbobb> ScottK: yeah but that basically amounts to buying a whole new system
[19:51] <Vog-work> SMART is crap, hd manufacturers cripple it so that they don't have to warranty drives as often.
[19:51] <ScottK> Could be.  I don't know what the business cost of spending a lot of time sorting it out is.
[19:52] <Vog-work> drbobb: hardware is really cheap nowadays, depending on your needs.
[19:53] <drbobb> cheap as in bang for buck - yes. cheap as in low-reliability: even more true
[19:57] <J-_> What's a good program, or script to use with afraid.org DNS entries and Hardy?
[19:58] <Vog-work> J-_: I'm not sure what you are asking for.
[20:05] <maDChoPR> where would i go for recommendation for ISP's .. my first choice is speakeasy.net
[20:05] <maDChoPR> i realize thi smay not be the right channel for this question
[20:18] <axisys> just install a server with software raid .. but dmesg is complaining about md
[20:18] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/f1d5cb7dc
[20:18] <axisys> mdstat is not showing any activity http://pastebin.com/f5061dcac
[20:21] <axisys> sda1 is showing faulty http://pastebin.com/f5d6d5af7
[20:23] <docta_v> are there any utilities that will allow you to audit /proc on two similar systems and list any relevant differences?
[20:28] <amel_enis> hi:help:i install ubuntu server 8.10 and i have this prb:**http://paste.ubuntu.com/125950/ ***and the log is:http://paste.ubuntu.com/125984/
[20:29] <amel_enis> anyone to help me
[20:29] <amel_enis> please
[20:29] <giovani> everything is in french
[20:29] <giovani> can't really read it
[20:29] <amel_enis> yes
[20:29] <giovani> #ubuntu-fr?
[20:30] <amel_enis> i haven t a solution
[20:30] <amel_enis> there
[20:30] <giovani> sorry
[20:31] <amel_enis> not prb
[20:34] <drbobb> it's not hard to read, the key lines are in English
[20:34] <drbobb> but i haven't seen this error before
[20:35] <giovani> drbobb: I was taking into consideration the eventual language gap in troubleshooting
[20:37] <drbobb> Can't create test file /home/mysql/ubuntu.lower-test
[20:37] <drbobb> looks a little suspect
[20:37] <drbobb> that's a nonstandard location, perhaps /home/mysql doesn't exist at all?
[20:38] <drbobb> amel_enis: what does `getent passwd mysql' return?
[20:47] <amel_enis> this the result:http://paste.ubuntu.com/125997/
[20:48] <jimmygoon> Any major show stoppers that would make anyone strongly recommend against intrepid for a server... (its just a personal tickering playground, nothing "mission critical")
[20:49] <giovani> jimmygoon: none at all -- everyone I know does
[20:49] <amel_enis> drbobb:i send the result any idea
[20:50] <drbobb> amel_enis: i don't think you read me correctly
[20:50] <blue-frog> amel_enis: getent passwd mysql  not passwd mysql
[20:52] <amel_enis> ok
[20:52] <amel_enis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/125999/
[20:53] <amel_enis> blue-frog: any idea please
[20:54] <amel_enis> drbobb:I send the result
[20:55] <ScottK> jimmygoon: The only warning I would give is try it in the Live CD first.  I've had kernel problems on some hardware.
[20:56] <jimmygoon> ScottK, too late. its already made :P
[20:56] <jimmygoon> ScottK, plus they offer as a standard config so I'm not worried about that. thanks for the heads up though
[20:56] <drbobb> hmm then i don't know why InnoDB was looking for /home/ysql
[20:56] <amel_enis> ????????????
[20:56] <ScottK> If it's hosted, then yes, I wouldn't worry.
[20:56] <drbobb> rather /home/mysql
[20:57] <drbobb> amel_enis: i understand you have no data under mysql at the moment, yet?
[20:57] <amel_enis> yes
[20:58] <drbobb> i would suggest purging mysql-server-5.0 and installing it again
[20:58] <amel_enis> i try this solution but the problem persist
[20:59] <drbobb> ie. apt-get --purge remove mysql-server-5.0
[20:59] <amel_enis> yes i try this command
[20:59] <drbobb> you sure you included --purge?
[20:59] <amel_enis> yes
[20:59] <amel_enis> i sure
[21:00] <amel_enis> and i reconfigure mysql but the problem persist
[21:00] <amel_enis> i try many method to remove mysql and begin
[21:01] <amel_enis> but the problem persist
[21:04] <amel_enis> NOTE :/home in another partition
[21:04] <drbobb> amel: what is in /var/log/syslog just above the lines you put in the pastebin?
[21:04] <amel_enis> 1 min
[21:05] <amel_enis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/126005/
[21:06] <amel_enis> the /home in alone partition
[21:08] <jimmygoon> hum, now for apache2 vs lighttpd vs nginx
[21:08] <JanC> vs. cherokee vs. ...  ;)
[21:09] <jimmygoon> lol I think I'll probably just go with apache2 for now
[21:10] <amel_enis>  drbobb:any idea
[21:11] <drbobb> amel_enis: those are the same lines as before, i asked about what comes before them in the logfile
[21:11] <amel_enis> 1 min
[21:12] <amel_enis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/126006/
[21:14] <drbobb> (sigh) that's a later piece not an earlier one, you do realize that the file is growing often
[21:14] <drbobb> I was wondering what came before the line that says "InnoDB: the directory."
[21:15] <amel_enis> 1min
[21:16] <amel_enis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/126009/
[21:18] <amel_enis> drbobb:the /home in a alone partition
[21:18] <drbobb> ok, that doesn't matter
[21:19] <drbobb> the point is, mysql has no business to be looking for /home/mysql, which probably doesn't even exist
[21:19] <drbobb> or does it?
[21:19] <drbobb> try `ls -ld /home/mysql'
[21:19] <amel_enis> ok
[21:20] <amel_enis>  ls -ld /home/mysql
[21:20] <amel_enis> drwxr-xr-x 3 mysql root 4096 2009-03-02 22:05 /home/mysql
[21:21] <drbobb> oh, where did that come from?
[21:21] <drbobb> was there a mysql previously installed on that machine?
[21:22] <amel_enis> but i desinstall mysql
[21:22] <amel_enis> and reinstall
[21:23] <amel_enis> if i anderstand your question
[21:23] <drbobb> yes, right
[21:23] <amel_enis> and the problem persist
[21:25] <amel_enis> :'(
[21:29] <amel_enis> drbobb, any idea????????
[21:30] <amel_enis> please
[21:32] <drbobb> mysql's install script are pretty hairy, i don't think i can figure out what's wrong
[21:43] <drbobb> amel_enis: the bug that hit you seems to have been reported already
[21:47] <drbobb> although it's not quite the same, as it doesn't seem you were trying to change the defaults in mysql in any way
[21:51] <drbobb> hmmm
[21:51] <amel_enis> ok
[21:51] <drbobb> amel_enis: is /var/lib/mysql a symlink, by any chance?
[21:52] <DragonLord-> How do I check when I installed Ubuntu Server?
[21:53] <amel_enis> if i aderstand :root@ubuntu:/var/lib/mysql# ls
[21:53] <amel_enis> debian-5.0.flag  mysql
[21:54] <amel_enis> and mysql is a symlink
[21:56] <drbobb> what about /var/lib/mysql itself?
[21:57] <amel_enis> amel@ubuntu:~$ /var/lib/mysql
[21:57] <amel_enis> bash: /var/lib/mysql: is a directory
[21:57] <drbobb> ls -ld /var/lib/mysql
[21:57] <drbobb> ?
[21:58] <amel_enis> drwxr-xr-x 3 mysql mysql 4096 2009-03-03 20:07 /var/lib/mysql
[21:58] <drbobb> oh so you meant /var/lib/mysql/mysql is a symlink
[21:58] <amel_enis> and var/lib/mysql is a symlink
[21:59] <drbobb> ?
[21:59] <drbobb> because /var/lib/mysql is not a symlink, as shown by the line above
[22:00] <amel_enis> yes  /var/lib/mysql/mysql  is a symlink
[22:00] <drbobb> ok in any case i think the solution would be
[22:00] <drbobb> purge mysql-server-5.0
[22:00] <drbobb> delete /var/lib/mysql
[22:01] <drbobb> install mysql-server-5.0
[22:01] <amel_enis> ok i try this solution
[22:01] <drbobb> my guess being that /var/lib/mysql/mysql points to /home/mysql
[22:01] <drbobb> for whatever reason
[22:02] <drbobb> someone must have set it so at some point, it wouldn't happen by itself
[22:03] <drbobb> and that runs afoul of apparmor:
[22:03] <drbobb> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=782224
[22:04] <amel_enis> ok
[22:05] <amel_enis> ths
[22:14] <amel_enis> drbobb: but the problem persist
[22:14] <amel_enis> ????
[22:15] <axisys> i am still wondering why the md0 (/) and md1 (swap) showing degraded mode and pointing to /dev/block/254:1 and 254:2 intead of /dev/sda1 and sda5
[22:20] <drbobb> amel_enis: ls -ld /var/lib/mysql/mysql
[22:20] <drbobb> ?
[22:20] <axisys> i am having the exact same problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1034772
[22:20] <axisys> dont see any fix
[22:22] <amel_enis> 1 min
[22:24] <amel_enis> drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 4096 2009-03-03 23:23 /var/lib/mysql/mysql
[22:24] <amel_enis> the same
[22:25] <drbobb> uh no, it no longer is a symlink
[22:25] <Vog-work> I'm trying to find out what the package linux-headers-2.6.22-14 is used for. I was going to uninstall a package and dpkg was going to remove it. It looks like somethign needed for gui interface but I am not sure.
[22:25] <amel_enis> yes var/lib/mysql/mysql is a symlink
[22:26] <drbobb> well you just demonstrated that it is not
[22:26] <amel_enis> how?
[22:26] <drbobb> hint: the first char is 'd', not 'l'
[22:27] <amel_enis> sorry i dont anderstand
[22:28] <drbobb> then i'm sorry, you need a crash course in unix
[22:28] <drbobb> and i need some sleep
[22:28] <axisys> looks like I am facing the same bug
[22:28] <axisys> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/126499
[22:28] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 126499 in mdadm ""No devices listed in conf file were found" due to mdadm RAID1 array UUID different from actual UUID reported by vol_id" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:29] <amel_enis> ok
[22:29] <amel_enis> goodnight
[22:29] <drbobb> c.u.
[22:30] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #337094 in samba (main) "FFe request: samba 3.3.1" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337094
[23:00] <deplanear> my lighttpd's (apt-got in 8.04.1) init script starts but doesn't stop; can anyone tell me (i'm a newb) the best way to see more output from that init script to see where it's having the problem?
[23:07] <Faust-C> deplanear, /var/log/daemon.log
[23:08] <Faust-C> deplanear, /var/log/messages
[23:08] <Faust-C> deplanear, /var/log/debug
[23:22] <deplanear> Faust-C: thanks (unfortunately no mention of anything related to it there..)
[23:22] <Faust-C> check the other logs as well
[23:29] <deplanear> ok