| === LaserJoc1 is now known as LaserJock | ||
| elias | does ltsp-build-client delete my old ltsp dir or update it, when one is there already? | 12:08 |
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| ogra | neither | 12:09 |
| ogra | it exists and tells you to take care of it | 12:09 |
| ogra | mv it out of the way | 12:09 |
| ogra | *exits | 12:11 |
| elias | is it a problem, to have a intrepid ltsp client env but hardy on the server? | 12:17 |
| ogra | some things might not work | 12:18 |
| elias | like? | 12:18 |
| ogra | no idea, i doubt anyone tested something like that | 12:18 |
| ogra | localapps definately wont | 12:18 |
| ogra | usually the client and server nev are tied very closely together, newer clients need features that only newer servers provide | 12:19 |
| ogra | thats why we dont even attemt to test it | 12:19 |
| ogra | its a matter of luck if it works or is stable | 12:20 |
| elias | ok | 12:20 |
| elias | do you know, is there a solution for the problem everybody is having with gnome, which does eventually leave some apps running after logout? | 12:21 |
| ogra | afaik thats fixed in intrepids gnome | 12:21 |
| ogra | or at least improved | 12:21 |
| elias | so no extra packages needed there anymore to do the job | 12:21 |
| elias | this is the major annoyance I am having with my LTSP env | 12:22 |
| elias | The only reason I receive support calls - to kill users processes, so their gnome env comes up in full again. | 12:22 |
| elias | forgot for a moment, that you are not so much involved in ltsp anymore, but still your word certainly counts in the community. What I got to say is, that Thin Clients are not so much on vouge anymore. With things like the eee box, a diskless FAT client setup would make much more sense. | 12:26 |
| elias | Do you know of any attempts to develop in this direction? | 12:27 |
| ogra | nubae has a hack of ltsp to use it as fat clients ... | 12:27 |
| elias | This could really be a breakthrough for Linux. | 12:27 |
| ogra | google for "nubae fat clients" | 12:27 |
| elias | this should really be, where edubuntu is going!!! LDAP enabled diskless FAT clients. | 12:29 |
| elias | nubae's setup does not seem to make use of LDAP | 12:30 |
| * ogra isnt a fan of ladp | 12:30 | |
| ogra | *ldap | 12:30 |
| elias | what else could be used as an authentication service? | 12:31 |
| elias | I'd favour something more simple also | 12:31 |
| ogra | rsync ... | 12:31 |
| ogra | have a wrapper around passwd that automatically rsyncs passwd and groups to the clients via ssh | 12:32 |
| ogra | in case of a change | 12:32 |
| ogra | up to 200 users that works just fine | 12:32 |
| ogra | beyond that something like ldap actually makes sense | 12:32 |
| elias | does nubae's setup do that? | 12:33 |
| ogra | no idea, i never used it | 12:33 |
| ogra | i know it changes the setup in many weird ways though ... like fiddling with sudoers and the like | 12:34 |
| elias | if all clients are fat and root is writeable, rsync should not be needed anyways, right? | 12:35 |
| elias | Nubae: you here? | 12:39 |
| elias | ogra: any idea, which time nubae usually is around? | 12:45 |
| ogra | european business hours... no idea why he isnt here atm | 12:46 |
| elias | can I get ltsp-update-image not to overwrite my current image? I have people working on the clients right now. | 12:53 |
| elias | Don't want to interrupt or corrupt their work | 12:54 |
| ogra | you wont | 12:55 |
| ogra | as long as nbd-server keeps the filehandle open the old image will be served to existing connections from the servers ram | 12:55 |
| elias | ok | 12:56 |
| ogra | the new image will only be used for new connecions | 12:56 |
| elias | but it seems the old image has been deleted already | 12:56 |
| elias | i only see i386.img.tmp | 12:56 |
| ogra | its still in ram | 12:57 |
| elias | alright | 12:57 |
| ogra | and is still serverd to existing connections | 12:57 |
| elias | tnx | 12:57 |
| elias | I'll try to catch up with nubae later | 12:57 |
| elias | cu | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | morning everybody | 16:48 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: were you around last night? | 16:48 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock: yeah, didn't get too much done, but was poking at it :) | 16:53 |
| anom1 | LaserJock: morning. | 16:56 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: ok | 16:59 |
| LaserJock | anom1: hi | 16:59 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: ping | 16:59 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: pongy | 17:06 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: wiki wiki | 17:06 |
| highvoltage | wild wild west | 17:07 |
| LaserJock | so I created the CategoryEdubuntu yesterday | 17:07 |
| highvoltage | yeah I saw your message this morning | 17:07 |
| highvoltage | (or last night for you) | 17:07 |
| LaserJock | so I think if we were to go through specs and make sure they were tagged CategorySpec Category{Edubuntu,Education} | 17:08 |
| LaserJock | we could then query that and get a list of our specs fairly easily | 17:08 |
| LaserJock | which is something I think we might want to do | 17:08 |
| LaserJock | there are a number of specs that haven't been implemented | 17:08 |
| LaserJock | and it's a shame to have that specification work just wasted | 17:09 |
| highvoltage | yeah | 17:09 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: so you got any time today to work on some cleanup? | 17:10 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I'm tired and have other worth that I need to do | 17:11 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: so doing the wiki stuff will be the perfect work avoidence excuse | 17:11 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/BrandingAndNaming still seems a bit overengineered for me | 17:12 |
| highvoltage | http://www.ubuntu.com/education says that Ubuntu "is License Free" | 17:13 |
| highvoltage | I guess that will make work easier for packagers :) | 17:13 |
| LaserJock | good greif | 17:13 |
| LaserJock | *grief even | 17:13 |
| highvoltage | it also says "All Ubuntu software is released under GPL, which means it is effectively licence free as opposed to free licence. " | 17:13 |
| LaserJock | what the heck | 17:14 |
| highvoltage | that's like double-wrong | 17:15 |
| LaserJock | to say the least | 17:15 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: I've alerted newz2000 | 17:19 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: do you know anything about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/New%20Firefox%20Icon%20For%20Edubuntu ? | 17:20 |
| highvoltage | sheesh, our wiki space is like a big bunch of tangled cables :) | 17:20 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | stgraber: | 17:21 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: I don't and I don't care for their firefox icon | 17:22 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: where did it come from, or is it just completely random? | 17:22 |
| LaserJock | just random | 17:23 |
| LaserJock | just make sure it's not in our category space | 17:23 |
| LaserJock | it's in the artwork namespace so it shouldn't bother | 17:23 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: so if somehting is in cleanup does it mean that it's up for deletion? | 17:25 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 17:26 |
| highvoltage | or does it mean that it might also have to be merged with another document or just need some review? | 17:26 |
| LaserJock | I think all of that | 17:26 |
| LaserJock | if it's something other than it just needs to be updates (since basically the whole wiki needs that) | 17:26 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: so what are you currently working on? tagging pages? | 17:28 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: looking at them and deleting currently | 17:31 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I'm just jumping in so that I can get familiar with all of it, there's more junk in there than I thought | 17:32 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: there was a time when the edubuntu wiki and the ubuntu wiki were completely seperate | 17:32 |
| highvoltage | I can see why there's so many little quick pages | 17:33 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: ok, I'm going through specs and tagging them with Edubuntu/Education categories | 17:33 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: would you like me to do tagging first? or are you fine with doing that for now? | 17:33 |
| LaserJock | I'm fine with it | 17:34 |
| LaserJock | I just didn't want to overlap | 17:34 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | firefox, hp print monitor and copy function or highlighting function causes the client taskbars and menubars to flash and disappaear | 17:37 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | in ltsp | 17:37 |
| highvoltage | so that's when you're using the printers web interface? | 17:39 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: there's actually quite a bit of nice content hidden in the wiki that should just move to the website | 17:53 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: yep | 17:57 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: is it right that the strategy document is only in categoryeducation and not edubuntu as well? | 18:04 |
| LaserJock | oh, hmm | 18:04 |
| LaserJock | I thought it should be categoryedubuntu only | 18:05 |
| highvoltage | yeah. I thought at the very least both but I agree that it's really an edubuntu thing | 18:09 |
| LaserJock | do you think we need an Edgy release announcement wiki page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyAnnouncementEdubuntu | 19:38 |
| stgraber | Ahmuck-Jr: ? | 20:13 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | stgraber: hp monitor minimizes to the taskbar and then the taskbar disappears unless the mouse over the menu bar it comes back | 20:25 |
| BZH | pls ppl dont help kids with trying to hack the edubuntu in their skool | 21:29 |
| BZH | :D | 21:29 |
| LaserJock | BZH: what do you mean? | 21:30 |
| BZH | LaserJock well in my mom's skool they have edubntu | 21:30 |
| BZH | and its locked you cant open redtube and stuff | 21:30 |
| BZH | but they found out that they can use Xchat and #edubuntu | 21:31 |
| BZH | and remove all the bans :D | 21:31 |
| LaserJock | I doubt anybody here knowingly did that | 21:32 |
| BZH | yeah :) | 21:33 |
| BZH | they use ctrl+alt+backspace | 21:33 |
| BZH | i have blocked that | 21:33 |
| BZH | :D | 21:33 |
| BZH | but they are kids they can found out more stuff :D | 21:33 |
| LaserJock | sure | 21:33 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not sure what we're supposed to do about that | 21:34 |
| BZH | :D | 21:34 |
| BZH | its ok | 21:34 |
| BZH | :D | 21:34 |
| BZH | i am not blaming anybody | 21:35 |
| BZH | but this kids :) | 21:36 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | our lab just went through a full test | 23:39 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | and it worked sorta | 23:39 |
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