[12:08] <elias> does ltsp-build-client delete my old ltsp dir or update it, when one is there already?
[12:09] <ogra> neither
[12:09] <ogra> it exists and tells you to take care of it
[12:09] <ogra> mv it out of the way
[12:11] <ogra> *exits
[12:17] <elias> is it a problem, to have a intrepid ltsp client env but hardy on the server?
[12:18] <ogra> some things might not work
[12:18] <elias> like?
[12:18] <ogra> no idea, i doubt anyone tested something like that
[12:18] <ogra> localapps definately wont
[12:19] <ogra> usually the client and server nev are tied very closely together, newer clients need features that only newer servers provide
[12:19] <ogra> thats why we dont even attemt to test it
[12:20] <ogra> its a matter of luck if it works or is stable
[12:20] <elias> ok
[12:21] <elias> do you know, is there a solution for the problem everybody is having with gnome, which does eventually leave some apps running after logout?
[12:21] <ogra> afaik thats fixed in intrepids gnome
[12:21] <ogra> or at least improved
[12:21] <elias> so no extra packages needed there anymore to do the job
[12:22] <elias> this is the major annoyance I am having with my LTSP env
[12:22] <elias> The only reason I receive support calls - to kill users processes, so their gnome env comes up in full again.
[12:26] <elias> forgot for a moment, that you are not so much involved in ltsp anymore, but still your word certainly counts in the community. What I got to say is, that Thin Clients are not so much on vouge anymore. With things like the eee box, a diskless FAT client setup would make much more sense.
[12:27] <elias> Do you know of any attempts to develop in this direction?
[12:27] <ogra> nubae has a hack of ltsp to use it as fat clients ...
[12:27] <elias> This could really be a breakthrough for Linux.
[12:27] <ogra> google for "nubae fat clients"
[12:29] <elias> this should really be, where edubuntu is going!!! LDAP enabled diskless FAT clients.
[12:30] <elias> nubae's setup does not seem to make use of LDAP
[12:30]  * ogra isnt a fan of ladp 
[12:30] <ogra> *ldap
[12:31] <elias> what else could be used as an authentication service?
[12:31] <elias> I'd favour something more simple also
[12:31] <ogra> rsync ...
[12:32] <ogra> have a wrapper around passwd that automatically rsyncs passwd and groups to the clients via ssh
[12:32] <ogra> in case of a change
[12:32] <ogra> up to 200 users that works just fine
[12:32] <ogra> beyond that something like ldap actually makes sense
[12:33] <elias> does nubae's setup do that?
[12:33] <ogra> no idea, i never used it
[12:34] <ogra> i know it changes the setup in many weird ways though ... like fiddling with sudoers and the like
[12:35] <elias> if all clients are fat and root is writeable, rsync should not be needed anyways, right?
[12:39] <elias> Nubae: you here?
[12:45] <elias> ogra: any idea, which time nubae usually is around?
[12:46] <ogra> european business hours... no idea why he isnt here atm
[12:53] <elias> can I get ltsp-update-image not to overwrite my current image? I have people working on the clients right now.
[12:54] <elias> Don't want to interrupt or corrupt their work
[12:55] <ogra> you wont
[12:55] <ogra> as long as nbd-server keeps the filehandle open the old image will be served to existing connections from the servers ram
[12:56] <elias> ok
[12:56] <ogra> the new image will only be used for new connecions
[12:56] <elias> but it seems the old image has been deleted already
[12:56] <elias> i only see i386.img.tmp
[12:57] <ogra> its still in ram
[12:57] <elias> alright
[12:57] <ogra> and is still serverd to existing connections
[12:57] <elias> tnx
[12:57] <elias> I'll try to catch up with nubae later
[12:57] <elias> cu
[16:48] <LaserJock> morning everybody
[16:48] <LaserJock> sbalneav: were you around last night?
[16:53] <sbalneav> LaserJock: yeah, didn't get too much done, but was poking at it :)
[16:56] <anom1> LaserJock: morning.
[16:59] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ok
[16:59] <LaserJock> anom1: hi
[16:59] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ping
[17:06] <highvoltage> LaserJock: pongy
[17:06] <LaserJock> highvoltage: wiki wiki
[17:07] <highvoltage> wild wild west
[17:07] <LaserJock> so I created the CategoryEdubuntu yesterday
[17:07] <highvoltage> yeah I saw your message this morning
[17:07] <highvoltage> (or last night for you)
[17:08] <LaserJock> so I think if we were to go through specs and make sure they were tagged CategorySpec Category{Edubuntu,Education}
[17:08] <LaserJock> we could then query that and get a list of our specs fairly easily
[17:08] <LaserJock> which is something I think we might want to do
[17:08] <LaserJock> there are a number of specs that haven't been implemented
[17:09] <LaserJock> and it's a shame to have that specification work just wasted
[17:09] <highvoltage> yeah
[17:10] <LaserJock> highvoltage: so you got any time today to work on some cleanup?
[17:11] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I'm tired and have other worth that I need to do
[17:11] <highvoltage> LaserJock: so doing the wiki stuff will be the perfect work avoidence excuse
[17:12] <highvoltage> LaserJock: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/BrandingAndNaming still seems a bit overengineered for me
[17:13] <highvoltage> http://www.ubuntu.com/education says that Ubuntu "is License Free"
[17:13] <highvoltage> I guess that will make work easier for packagers :)
[17:13] <LaserJock> good greif
[17:13] <LaserJock> *grief even
[17:13] <highvoltage> it also says "All Ubuntu software is released under GPL, which means it is effectively licence free as opposed to free licence. "
[17:14] <LaserJock> what the heck
[17:15] <highvoltage> that's like double-wrong
[17:15] <LaserJock> to say the least
[17:19] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I've alerted newz2000
[17:20] <highvoltage> LaserJock: do you know anything about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/New%20Firefox%20Icon%20For%20Edubuntu ?
[17:20] <highvoltage> sheesh, our wiki space is like a big bunch of tangled cables :)
[17:21] <Ahmuck-Jr> stgraber:
[17:22] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I don't and I don't care for their firefox icon
[17:22] <highvoltage> LaserJock: where did it come from, or is it just completely random?
[17:23] <LaserJock> just random
[17:23] <LaserJock> just make sure it's not in our category space
[17:23] <LaserJock> it's in the artwork namespace so it shouldn't bother
[17:25] <highvoltage> LaserJock: so if somehting is in cleanup does it mean that it's up for deletion?
[17:26] <LaserJock> hmm
[17:26] <highvoltage> or does it mean that it might also have to be merged with another document or just need some review?
[17:26] <LaserJock> I think all of that
[17:26] <LaserJock> if it's something other than it just needs to be updates (since basically the whole wiki needs that)
[17:28] <LaserJock> highvoltage: so what are you currently working on? tagging pages?
[17:31] <highvoltage> LaserJock: looking at them and deleting currently
[17:32] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I'm just jumping in so that I can get familiar with all of it, there's more junk in there than I thought
[17:32] <highvoltage> LaserJock: there was a time when the edubuntu wiki and the ubuntu wiki were completely seperate
[17:33] <highvoltage> I can see why there's so many little quick pages
[17:33] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ok, I'm going through specs and tagging them with Edubuntu/Education categories
[17:33] <highvoltage> LaserJock: would you like me to do tagging first? or are you fine with doing that for now?
[17:34] <LaserJock> I'm fine with it
[17:34] <LaserJock> I just didn't want to overlap
[17:37] <Ahmuck-Jr> firefox, hp print monitor and copy function or highlighting function causes the client taskbars and menubars to flash and disappaear
[17:37] <Ahmuck-Jr> in ltsp
[17:39] <highvoltage> so that's when you're using the printers web interface?
[17:53] <highvoltage> LaserJock: there's actually quite a bit of nice content hidden in the wiki that should just move to the website
[17:57] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yep
[18:04] <highvoltage> LaserJock: is it right that the strategy document is only in categoryeducation and not edubuntu as well?
[18:04] <LaserJock> oh, hmm
[18:05] <LaserJock> I thought it should be categoryedubuntu only
[18:09] <highvoltage> yeah. I thought at the very least both but I agree that it's really an edubuntu thing
[19:38] <LaserJock> do you think we need an Edgy release announcement wiki page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyAnnouncementEdubuntu
[20:13] <stgraber> Ahmuck-Jr: ?
[20:25] <Ahmuck-Jr> stgraber: hp monitor minimizes to the taskbar and then the taskbar disappears unless the mouse over the menu bar it comes back
[21:29] <BZH> pls ppl dont help kids with trying to hack the edubuntu in their skool
[21:29] <BZH> :D
[21:30] <LaserJock> BZH: what do you mean?
[21:30] <BZH> LaserJock well in my mom's skool they have edubntu
[21:30] <BZH> and its locked you cant open redtube and stuff
[21:31] <BZH> but they found out that they can use Xchat and #edubuntu
[21:31] <BZH> and remove all the bans :D
[21:32] <LaserJock> I doubt anybody here knowingly did that
[21:33] <BZH> yeah :)
[21:33] <BZH> they use ctrl+alt+backspace
[21:33] <BZH> i have blocked that
[21:33] <BZH> :D
[21:33] <BZH> but they are kids they can found out more stuff :D
[21:33] <LaserJock> sure
[21:34] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure what we're supposed to do about that
[21:34] <BZH> :D
[21:34] <BZH> its ok
[21:34] <BZH> :D
[21:35] <BZH> i am not blaming anybody
[21:36] <BZH> but this kids :)
[23:39] <Ahmuck-Jr> our lab just went through a full test
[23:39] <Ahmuck-Jr> and it worked sorta