=== LaserJoc1 is now known as LaserJock [12:08] does ltsp-build-client delete my old ltsp dir or update it, when one is there already? [12:09] neither [12:09] it exists and tells you to take care of it [12:09] mv it out of the way [12:11] *exits [12:17] is it a problem, to have a intrepid ltsp client env but hardy on the server? [12:18] some things might not work [12:18] like? [12:18] no idea, i doubt anyone tested something like that [12:18] localapps definately wont [12:19] usually the client and server nev are tied very closely together, newer clients need features that only newer servers provide [12:19] thats why we dont even attemt to test it [12:20] its a matter of luck if it works or is stable [12:20] ok [12:21] do you know, is there a solution for the problem everybody is having with gnome, which does eventually leave some apps running after logout? [12:21] afaik thats fixed in intrepids gnome [12:21] or at least improved [12:21] so no extra packages needed there anymore to do the job [12:22] this is the major annoyance I am having with my LTSP env [12:22] The only reason I receive support calls - to kill users processes, so their gnome env comes up in full again. [12:26] forgot for a moment, that you are not so much involved in ltsp anymore, but still your word certainly counts in the community. What I got to say is, that Thin Clients are not so much on vouge anymore. With things like the eee box, a diskless FAT client setup would make much more sense. [12:27] Do you know of any attempts to develop in this direction? [12:27] nubae has a hack of ltsp to use it as fat clients ... [12:27] This could really be a breakthrough for Linux. [12:27] google for "nubae fat clients" [12:29] this should really be, where edubuntu is going!!! LDAP enabled diskless FAT clients. [12:30] nubae's setup does not seem to make use of LDAP [12:30] * ogra isnt a fan of ladp [12:30] *ldap [12:31] what else could be used as an authentication service? [12:31] I'd favour something more simple also [12:31] rsync ... [12:32] have a wrapper around passwd that automatically rsyncs passwd and groups to the clients via ssh [12:32] in case of a change [12:32] up to 200 users that works just fine [12:32] beyond that something like ldap actually makes sense [12:33] does nubae's setup do that? [12:33] no idea, i never used it [12:34] i know it changes the setup in many weird ways though ... like fiddling with sudoers and the like [12:35] if all clients are fat and root is writeable, rsync should not be needed anyways, right? [12:39] Nubae: you here? [12:45] ogra: any idea, which time nubae usually is around? [12:46] european business hours... no idea why he isnt here atm [12:53] can I get ltsp-update-image not to overwrite my current image? I have people working on the clients right now. [12:54] Don't want to interrupt or corrupt their work [12:55] you wont [12:55] as long as nbd-server keeps the filehandle open the old image will be served to existing connections from the servers ram [12:56] ok [12:56] the new image will only be used for new connecions [12:56] but it seems the old image has been deleted already [12:56] i only see i386.img.tmp [12:57] its still in ram [12:57] alright [12:57] and is still serverd to existing connections [12:57] tnx [12:57] I'll try to catch up with nubae later [12:57] cu [16:48] morning everybody [16:48] sbalneav: were you around last night? [16:53] LaserJock: yeah, didn't get too much done, but was poking at it :) [16:56] LaserJock: morning. [16:59] sbalneav: ok [16:59] anom1: hi [16:59] highvoltage: ping [17:06] LaserJock: pongy [17:06] highvoltage: wiki wiki [17:07] wild wild west [17:07] so I created the CategoryEdubuntu yesterday [17:07] yeah I saw your message this morning [17:07] (or last night for you) [17:08] so I think if we were to go through specs and make sure they were tagged CategorySpec Category{Edubuntu,Education} [17:08] we could then query that and get a list of our specs fairly easily [17:08] which is something I think we might want to do [17:08] there are a number of specs that haven't been implemented [17:09] and it's a shame to have that specification work just wasted [17:09] yeah [17:10] highvoltage: so you got any time today to work on some cleanup? [17:11] LaserJock: I'm tired and have other worth that I need to do [17:11] LaserJock: so doing the wiki stuff will be the perfect work avoidence excuse [17:12] LaserJock: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/BrandingAndNaming still seems a bit overengineered for me [17:13] http://www.ubuntu.com/education says that Ubuntu "is License Free" [17:13] I guess that will make work easier for packagers :) [17:13] good greif [17:13] *grief even [17:13] it also says "All Ubuntu software is released under GPL, which means it is effectively licence free as opposed to free licence. " [17:14] what the heck [17:15] that's like double-wrong [17:15] to say the least [17:19] highvoltage: I've alerted newz2000 [17:20] LaserJock: do you know anything about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/New%20Firefox%20Icon%20For%20Edubuntu ? [17:20] sheesh, our wiki space is like a big bunch of tangled cables :) [17:21] stgraber: [17:22] highvoltage: I don't and I don't care for their firefox icon [17:22] LaserJock: where did it come from, or is it just completely random? [17:23] just random [17:23] just make sure it's not in our category space [17:23] it's in the artwork namespace so it shouldn't bother [17:25] LaserJock: so if somehting is in cleanup does it mean that it's up for deletion? [17:26] hmm [17:26] or does it mean that it might also have to be merged with another document or just need some review? [17:26] I think all of that [17:26] if it's something other than it just needs to be updates (since basically the whole wiki needs that) [17:28] highvoltage: so what are you currently working on? tagging pages? [17:31] LaserJock: looking at them and deleting currently [17:32] LaserJock: I'm just jumping in so that I can get familiar with all of it, there's more junk in there than I thought [17:32] LaserJock: there was a time when the edubuntu wiki and the ubuntu wiki were completely seperate [17:33] I can see why there's so many little quick pages [17:33] highvoltage: ok, I'm going through specs and tagging them with Edubuntu/Education categories [17:33] LaserJock: would you like me to do tagging first? or are you fine with doing that for now? [17:34] I'm fine with it [17:34] I just didn't want to overlap [17:37] firefox, hp print monitor and copy function or highlighting function causes the client taskbars and menubars to flash and disappaear [17:37] in ltsp [17:39] so that's when you're using the printers web interface? [17:53] LaserJock: there's actually quite a bit of nice content hidden in the wiki that should just move to the website [17:57] highvoltage: yep [18:04] LaserJock: is it right that the strategy document is only in categoryeducation and not edubuntu as well? [18:04] oh, hmm [18:05] I thought it should be categoryedubuntu only [18:09] yeah. I thought at the very least both but I agree that it's really an edubuntu thing [19:38] do you think we need an Edgy release announcement wiki page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyAnnouncementEdubuntu [20:13] Ahmuck-Jr: ? [20:25] stgraber: hp monitor minimizes to the taskbar and then the taskbar disappears unless the mouse over the menu bar it comes back [21:29] pls ppl dont help kids with trying to hack the edubuntu in their skool [21:29] :D [21:30] BZH: what do you mean? [21:30] LaserJock well in my mom's skool they have edubntu [21:30] and its locked you cant open redtube and stuff [21:31] but they found out that they can use Xchat and #edubuntu [21:31] and remove all the bans :D [21:32] I doubt anybody here knowingly did that [21:33] yeah :) [21:33] they use ctrl+alt+backspace [21:33] i have blocked that [21:33] :D [21:33] but they are kids they can found out more stuff :D [21:33] sure [21:34] but I'm not sure what we're supposed to do about that [21:34] :D [21:34] its ok [21:34] :D [21:35] i am not blaming anybody [21:36] but this kids :) [23:39] our lab just went through a full test [23:39] and it worked sorta