[00:00] <ForgeAus> I think I know how to *fix* disk1 now, its just the other consequences of that I'm not comfortable with yet...
[00:02] <coppro> Anyone have any clue why DRI is turned off on my computer?
[00:03] <coppro> it gives an error
[00:03] <coppro> about a version mismatch of the radeon driver
[00:03] <coppro> Apparently 8.54.3 does not satisfy 1.17.0
[00:03] <Dr_willis> you perhaps need to reinstall the ati drivers..?
[00:03] <coppro> purged+reinstalled xorg
[00:03] <coppro> no change
[00:05] <coppro> I can't really help more
[00:05] <coppro> since I'm running from irssi
[00:05] <coppro> so can't paste data or anything
[00:05] <coppro> and I /really/ don't want to have to install fglrx
[00:05] <Dr_willis> You can install gpm, and select/paste stuff that way
[00:05] <coppro> gpm?
[00:05] <mefisto__> coppro: ever manually installed ati drivers?
[00:06] <ForgeAus> yeah ati drivers can be a pain
[00:06] <ForgeAus> dri, fglxr (sp?) etc...
[00:07] <coppro> this is not a proprietary driver
[00:07] <ForgeAus> coppro thats a good thing
[00:08] <coppro> waitaminute
[00:08] <coppro> fglrx is still installed?
[00:08] <coppro> *****
[00:08]  * coppro reboots
[00:08] <mefisto__> coppro: so you've only ever installed ati drivers from repos
[00:09] <coppro> yes, but the module's still running
[00:09] <coppro> I'll reboot and report
[00:09] <ForgeAus> mefisto, ati drivers are massively confusing I still havn't got it right myself yet!...
[00:09] <ForgeAus> one of the reasons I'm thinking of u/ging
[00:09] <ForgeAus> hopefully it will fix some of that stuff...
[00:10] <ForgeAus> ironically the ppl that helped me the most with that were the compiz-fusion people!
[00:10] <ForgeAus> not that you need it with kde4
[00:11] <ForgeAus> I don't think I ever had compiz (actually I think it was beryl at the time) working on this PC with ati drivers...
[00:15] <hogwash> hi
[00:15]  * hogwash just installed kubuntu with kde 4.1  :)
[00:15] <ForgeAus> hey hogwash...
[00:16]  * hogwash needs guidance for his atheros wifi card & imbeded in toshiba satalite laptop
[00:16]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[00:16] <lean2501> hi! best partition scheme for a fresh 8.10 installation in an 8gb SD card?
[00:16] <ForgeAus> partition scheme?
[00:16] <ForgeAus> as in how many of what size? or just what type?
[00:17] <hogwash> how can i tell if my wifi card is compatable with linux
[00:17] <ForgeAus> normally SD cards/USB etc are FAT (not sure which one 32 or 16 I guess)... but for 8.10 your better to have ext3 afaik
[00:18] <ForgeAus> however booting from an SD card is something I have absolutely no experience with
[00:18] <lean2501> mmm i mean how any and how much size :P
[00:18] <lean2501> i read i need ext2
[00:19] <hogwash> i recently saw a window detecting my card, but after i rebooted i dont see that window anymore
[00:19] <XPS_M1330> what does this mean: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B9FBE5158B3AFA9
[00:19] <ForgeAus> ok then how many and what size, I'm assuming you need 1 partition of the whole drive, but I could be wrong there... I don't know whats optimal
[00:20] <ForgeAus> hogwash, I think its the knetworkmanager that handles that stuff...
[00:20] <ForgeAus> but I'm using wired not wifii so I'm not sure how/if its different
[00:20] <ForgeAus> hogwash do you have a grey icon in your system tray?
[00:22] <hogwash> does this grey icon look like a gear with a green arrow ?
[00:22] <hogwash> adept?
[00:22] <ForgeAus> no
[00:22] <mefisto__> lean2501: how much RAM do you have? and do you want a separate home partition?
[00:22] <ForgeAus> uh dunno what the gear with the green arrow one is
[00:22] <ForgeAus> the wired network icon looks grey like a diagonal box with a darker grey lead coming out of the front of it
[00:23] <ForgeAus> if its wifi I don't know if its a different icon or not (like say some arcs instead of the lead?)
[00:23] <ForgeAus> anyway system-settings should have a network section to help you there...
[00:24] <hogwash> yeah i see the wired network icon
[00:24] <hogwash> it only mentions my eth0 card
[00:24] <GWild> how can I determine if/which linux headers are installed?
[00:24] <ForgeAus> uh eth0 built in lan card?... ok well then I think thats where your network connection needs to go (be added to?) ...
[00:25] <ForgeAus> as to how to get it there, probably network settings in system-settings may help, I havn't tried using wifi with kubuntu yet...
[00:26] <mefisto__> hogwash: lshw -C network    should list your network interfaces
[00:28] <lean2501> mefisto__: i use 1gb of ram and i want a separate /home partition
[00:28] <ForgeAus> GWild adept should tell you that...
[00:29] <ForgeAus> (assuming you installed them as packages)
[00:29] <hogwash> http://rafb.net/p/Rnx8Kp20.html  lshw output
[00:30] <GWild> ForgeAus: Thank you.
[00:30] <GWild> trying to install nvidia drivers for a new vid card and heard I must upgrade the headers first
[00:31] <ForgeAus> GWild normally you only need the headers if oyur going to (re)compile something...
[00:31] <hogwash> i plugged my router in. i dont see it under wireless connections
[00:31] <ForgeAus> but then I havn't got nvidia hardware so I can't really say...
[00:31] <GWild> ForgeAus: right - I'm just installing the headers, then I'll install the nvidia drivers
[00:32] <ForgeAus> GWild not that I think your silly or anything but just make sure the headers match the same version number as the kernel(s) you have installed...
[00:32] <mefisto__> hogwash: 1GB swap, and the size of / and /home depends on how many programs you want to install and how much space for your data you're going to need/want
[00:32] <GWild> ForgeAus: ;-)  I'm a hammerhead half the time so I take not offence (but, yes I did check)
[00:33] <hogwash> what does that have to do with wireless
[00:33] <hogwash> i just want wireless to work.
[00:34] <ForgeAus> hogwash what happens if you open up a browser and browse to your routers IP address?
[00:34] <hogwash> iwconfig says no wireless extensions
[00:35] <mefisto__> lean2501: 1GB swap, and the size of / and /home depends on how many programs you want to install and how much space for your data you're going to need/want
[00:35]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[00:35] <hogwash> im looking for drivers. and im currently pluged in via ethernet.
[00:35]  * hogwash shrugs
[00:35] <mefisto__> sorry hogwash, that was for lean2501, not you
[00:35] <ForgeAus> hogwash I'm probably not the person to ask to help you with it...
[00:35] <hogwash> oh
[00:37] <mefisto__> lean2501: 5GB for the / partition is probably enough unless you want to install lots of stuff
[00:38] <lean2501> ha tnks!
[00:38] <ForgeAus> which leaves 2GB for /home ... (since 1 gb is for swap)
[00:38] <Dr_willis> Gee.. i got 10+gb in just wallpaper and icon collections in my homedir. :)
[00:38] <ForgeAus> 3x partitions... hmmm...
[00:38] <ForgeAus> Dr willis yeah I know how it can get!
[00:39] <ForgeAus> and if you d/l stuff like say mldonkey your /home can get exponentially bigger!
[00:39] <mefisto__> lean2501: if you want more for /home, you could make / smaller than 5GB. maybe 4GB. does anyone know what a new install of intrepid takes up?
[00:40] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  at least we are not windows users.. with a ever expanding /windows/winsxs directory...
[00:40] <mefisto__> Dr_willis: some of us ARE windows users :(
[00:41] <Dr_willis> Im in windows7 right now.. and using Xchat via XMING and XDMCP :)
[00:43] <mefisto__> ok, good luck with the grub thing ForgeAus. I'm gonna reboot
[00:44] <joshjtl> hi, upgraded to 4.2 on intrepid, not get transluncency
[00:45] <joshjtl> help
[00:45] <Dr_willis> hmm.
[00:45] <Dr_willis> I never use that feature.. sorry.. of course stuff like that can be hard to trobuleshoot anyway
[00:46] <Dr_willis> Check the forums yet? it may be some xorg setting for your specific video card/driver
[00:46] <joshjtl> yeah nothing :(
[00:49] <joshjtl> ok nevermind... transparency works, but so far not for the panel
[00:50] <ForgeAus> DrWillis I have to say I too am a Windows user ... also a MacOSX user...
[00:54] <Dr_willis> My Mac works very well.. as a doorstop
[00:54] <Dr_willis> :P
[00:59] <tekstacy> Is it possible to make Kubuntu come out of standby from the mouse?
[01:10] <diamantes4> hallo
[01:14] <Dr_willis> mooo
[01:16] <diamantes4> #ubuntu
[01:18] <Slartibartfast> Seems a quiet time for Helpdesk #Kubuntu. Looks like "it just works" :-)
[01:22] <joshjtl> hi, is ksynaptic available anymore?
[01:23] <XPS_M1330> actually I'm trying to figure out how come choosing an icon theme only affects the menu
[01:23] <ott0> how can i find out what files a process has modified?
[01:23] <joshjtl> maybe by going to settings>advanced tab, desktop (something)
[01:24] <Flare183> Drayton: I'm over here
[01:24] <ott0> basically i just executed a .bin installer and i want to know where the files are
[01:24] <XPS_M1330> Didn't see that "desktop theme details" part
[01:24] <XPS_M1330> thanks joshjtl
[01:24] <joshjtl> XPS_M1330: yeah just found it today myself
[01:25] <joshjtl> any way to get Adept to use synaptic as a backend?
[01:25] <joshjtl> i hate adept
[01:26] <XPS_M1330> you can run synaptic from KDE
[01:26] <joshjtl> XPS_M1330: i want a qt app though
[01:28] <Dr_willis> both are frontends to the apt-get system
[01:28] <Dr_willis>  adept with synaptic as a backend.. dosent make much sence
[01:29] <joshjtl> Dr_willis: what does synaptic use as a backend, does adept use the same?
 both are frontends to the apt-get system
[01:29] <Dr_willis> !apt
[01:30] <Slartibartfast> There is kpackage
[01:30] <Slartibartfast> !kpackage
[01:30] <joshjtl> Dr_willis: sorry didnt read that for some reason... tired
[01:31] <Slartibartfast> kpackage is ordered like synaptics or aptitude
[01:31] <joshjtl> a better question, is there an app that manages uninstall dependencies that are not required any longer if the original package is uninstalled? an app that also installs packages?
[01:32] <Slartibartfast> there is apt-get autoremove
[01:32] <joshjtl> not like deborphan...
[01:32] <joshjtl> ok
[01:33] <joshjtl> gonna give kpackage a try for a while
[01:33] <Slartibartfast> apt will know when there are packages not needed anymore and then notify you that you then can autoremove them
[01:34] <joshjtl> Slartibartfast: oh thats right, i wish that would extend to the gui app
[01:34] <joshjtl> perhaps i'll continue to use only the cli for that
[01:35] <Dr_willis> I just never uninstall anythimng
[01:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:35] <joshjtl> yeah I guess i will since you cant edit repos using kpackage
[01:35] <joshjtl> my ocd wont allow clutter
[01:35] <Dr_willis> one mans clutter - is anotehrs must have eyecandy
[01:35] <Dr_willis> !info hotbabe
[01:36] <Dr_willis> Oh - its in medibuntu :) if roget
[01:36] <joshjtl> whats that
[01:36] <joshjtl> hotbabe
[01:36] <ForgeAus> josh I think it was kynaptic
[01:36] <Dr_willis> a 'ssytem load meter' that is a anime-chick that gets naked as load goes up
[01:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:36] <joshjtl> well let me try uninstalling kpackage and all its deps now
[01:36] <ForgeAus> and I don't know if its around anymore
[01:36] <ForgeAus> kpackage is kewl...
[01:37] <joshjtl> ForgeAus: can i edit repos in kpackage?
[01:37] <ForgeAus> I doubt it, not directly... that I'm aware of anywaya
[01:37] <joshjtl> odd
[01:38] <ForgeAus> kpackage isn't so much designd around dpkg/apt-get as adept is...
[01:38] <joshjtl> apparently hotbabe is an app to view resources
[01:38] <joshjtl> really i find adept to be really featureless
[01:38] <ForgeAus> kpackage is more a general package manager for slackware/redhat/debian/gentoo... its got most styles of package management built in
[01:40] <joshjtl> hmm theres smart isnt there? but thats totally diff than apt-get isnt it
[01:42] <joshjtl> !kpackagekit
[01:42] <joshjtl> !kpackage
[01:42] <joshjtl> is kpackagekit different than kpackage?
[01:45] <Slartibartfast> joshjtl, yes
[01:45] <ForgeAus> smart is a more basic package manager, it is very similar to kpackage, just not made with KDE in mind
[01:46] <ForgeAus> they both do most of the same stuff
[01:46] <ForgeAus> note: the underlying package management for both is the same, it uses dpkg/apt-get the same way that kpackage or adept would anyhow
[01:47] <joshjtl> ok, apparently kpackagekit is different than kpackage, and also related to packagekit... but how do I install it?
[01:47] <joshjtl> (using intrpepid btw)
[01:47] <ForgeAus> (note: more advanced package management would use apt-get instead of dpkg anyway, to keep the apt database up to date
[01:47] <Slartibartfast> joshjtl i think it is already installed
[01:47] <ForgeAus> I dont know kpackagekit
[01:47] <Slartibartfast> apt-cache show kpackagekit
[01:48] <joshjtl> hmmm?
[01:49] <joshjtl> Slartibartfast: "apt-cache show kpackagekit doesnt show it for me... is it shown in apt-get search kpackagekit?
[01:49] <Slartibartfast> apt-cache show shows the status ... like "Status: install ok installed"
[01:50] <Slartibartfast> apt-get search kpackagekit gives E: Invalid operation search
[01:51] <BlueAidan> what package includes the kcontrol binary?
[01:51] <Slartibartfast> apt-cache search give: kpackagekit - KDE package management tool using PackageKit
[01:51] <BlueAidan> I'm trying to start up the kde control center from within xfce and can't figure out how.
[01:51] <joshjtl> Slartibartfast: what?? I cant find it... are u running intrepid?
[01:52] <Slartibartfast> Mmmm ... ok ok ... sorry. No i am not.
[01:52] <Slartibartfast> i am running Jaunty ... excuse me :-)
[01:53] <joshjtl> ahh yes its the new package manager for jaunty... there must be a way to install it for intrepid
[01:53] <joshjtl> Slartibartfast: have you found jaunty stable enough to use right now?
[01:53] <Slartibartfast> NO
[01:53] <Slartibartfast> :-)
[01:53] <Slartibartfast> hehehe
[01:53] <joshjtl> yeah i didnt either
[01:53] <Slartibartfast> well there are many little programs crashing
[01:53] <joshjtl> yeah for me too
[01:54] <Slartibartfast> like apport-cli to report a pproblem just crashed itself
[01:54] <joshjtl> think i can add the repo and install kpackagekit real quick then remove it?
[01:55] <Slartibartfast> I won't advice it
[01:55] <Slartibartfast> Then you mess things up ...
[01:55] <joshjtl> ah nevermind I found it packaged for intrepid
[01:56] <Slartibartfast> Just learn to use dpk commands and apt-cache, apt-get ... etc.
[01:56] <Slartibartfast> dpkg*
[01:57] <joshjtl> i use it Slartibartfast i like to use gui every now and then for simple stuff
[01:57] <Slartibartfast> OK :-)
[01:58] <ott0_> how can i tell where a .bin installed files to?
[01:58] <Slartibartfast> Still thinking also for simple stuff the cli is faster
[01:58] <Slartibartfast> dpkg -L <packagename>
[01:59] <joshjtl> Slartibartfast: yeah plus i dont have to bother with finding installing kpackagekit forget it... i'll use it in jaunty everntually
[02:00] <joshjtl> l8r
[02:00] <Slartibartfast> OK
[02:00] <Slartibartfast> ott0_: dpkg -L <packagename>
[02:00] <Slartibartfast> Sorry :-) missunderstood
[02:01] <ott0_> hmm... it was just a .bin executable. i don't know the package name
[02:01] <Slartibartfast> ott0_ did you execute the installation as normal user or by using sudo ?
[02:03] <joshjtl> Slartibartfast: whats the easiest way to add a repo via cli?
[02:03] <joshjtl> edit file?
[02:03] <ott0_> as a normal user
[02:04] <ott0_> it poped up a superuser password request during installation though
[02:04] <Slartibartfast> yeah, i think so ...
[02:04] <Slartibartfast> ott0_ : what kind of program ? ... and what you try to kind from it ?
[02:05] <Slartibartfast> try to find*
[02:06] <ott0_> it is the adobe air installer
[02:06] <ott0_> i want to know where the installed files are
[02:07] <Slartibartfast> i guess it installed some stuff under the /usr/ if it is a good installer it installed things probably under /usr/local/
[02:08] <Slartibartfast> find /usr/local/ -name *searchwords*
[02:09] <ForgeAus> josh easiest would be to use mc!
[02:09] <ForgeAus> (midnight commander .. it has text editor built in)
[02:10] <ForgeAus> essentially a nice app that buils on oldskool dos norton commander but for linux
[02:10] <Slartibartfast> ott0_ ... Did you see this page? http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/AIR_for_Linux:Release_Notes
[02:12] <Slartibartfast> ott0_: from Tip and tricks: To install an application, you may use the command “/opt/Adobe AIR/Versions/1.0/airappinstaller <full path to the air file here>”
[02:17] <hogwash> hi
[02:17] <hogwash> does the bot know about ati ?
[02:17] <hogwash> for kubuntu 8.10
[02:19] <Slartibartfast> !ati
[02:20] <wartalker> when i log out, then log in, the knetworkmanager doen not dock in tray, it like a normal widget, someone help
[02:21] <hogwash> does the bot know about ati ?
[02:21] <hogwash> ati drivers
[02:21] <hogwash> sheesh
[02:23] <Slartibartfast> !fglrx
[02:23] <Slartibartfast> :-)
[02:26] <hogwash> thanx
[02:26] <hogwash> !restricted
[02:26] <hogwash> cool
[02:26] <GWild> !nvidia
[02:27] <GWild> !faq
[02:27] <hogwash> im under the advanced tab of system settings. i dont see anythign about hardware
[02:28] <GWild> hogwash: run jockey
[02:28] <GWild> hogwash: that will tell you what is installed (propietary drivers)
[02:28] <Slartibartfast> hogwash: i think you should be at kmenu > system > harware drivers
[02:28] <Slartibartfast> hardware*
[02:28] <hogwash> ahh found it
[02:29] <GWild> speaking of which
[02:29] <GWild> time to reboot after installing my nvidia drivers
[02:29] <GWild> see if I get the busybox boot error
[02:29] <GWild> again.....
[02:33] <hogwash> why does apt-cache search show amule, but no frost wire ?
[02:40] <hogwash> ahh there's a download
[02:40] <GWild> anyone experience the 'BusyBox' boot error where the system can't find root?  If so, how did you get rid of the problem?
[02:42] <ForgeAus> uh BusyBox is essentially a kind of recovery console...
[02:42] <ForgeAus> generally somethings majorly wrong for it to boot into that
[02:42] <ForgeAus> try running recovery mode ubuntu
[02:43] <GWild> ForgeAus: Sorry - I'm a (K)ub newcomer
[02:43] <GWild> ForgeAus: would that be from a live cd or a recovery kernel, or...?
[02:44]  * hogwash likes kubuntu
[02:44] <GWild> I do as well, but I'm quite new to it
[02:44]  * hogwash thinks the slogan should be changed from "Linux for human beings" to "Linux for people with lives"
[02:44] <hogwash> kubuntu > slackware && suse
[02:44] <GWild> ran Gentoo for several years and made the change.
[02:45] <hogwash> GWild: yea i was running gentoo for 5 months.  it's allright,but since my hard drive crashes i said screwit
[02:45] <hogwash> i aint going through that again
[02:45] <hogwash> it was nice while it lasted
[02:45] <GWild> it can take some real tweaking
[02:45] <hogwash> but it's old, and is outa date
[02:46] <hogwash> it doesent even have monodevelop. HA so if you wanna code C# you're screwed
[02:47] <GWild> I can code C# in Kub?
[02:47] <GWild> under Mono sounds like
[02:47] <mbazdell> GWild:  no.. it's against the EULA
[02:47] <mbazdell> hehe
[02:48] <GWild> mbazdell: Ah
[02:48] <ForgeAus> mbazdell? are you serious?
[02:49] <GWild> oh sure, ask a question then leave
[02:49] <mbazdell> lol. No I'm not serious
[02:49] <mbazdell> that's the best way to get answers
[02:50] <mbazdell> so in case anybody tries, downgrading X from Jaunty to Intrepid to make FGLRX work...
[02:51] <mbazdell> doesn't work..
[02:51] <mbazdell> It's easier to reinstall Intrepid, lock X, and then upgrade everything else
[02:53] <GWild> I never could get fglrx to run on my Intrepid
[02:53] <mbazdell> did you try using envy-ng?
[02:54] <GWild> I didn't try that
[02:54] <mbazdell> that's probably the easiest way to get it to work
[02:54] <mbazdell> I find it is a much faster driver than the open source version
[02:54] <GWild> lol - after I just put in an nvidia card
[02:54] <ott0_> do dpkg and apt-get use the same config files?
[02:55] <mbazdell> ott0_:  no
[02:55] <ott0_> or, in general, how is package information stored?
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> apt-get uses dpkg to install the packages after it downloads them all, though
[02:55] <mbazdell> ott0_:  you mean like where is `dpkg -l' information kept?
[02:55] <ott0_> exactly
[02:56] <mbazdell> ott0_:  interesting.. I've never actually wondered that myself
[02:59] <mbazdell> ott0:  /var/lib/dpkg/
[02:59] <hpladds> The number of desktops represented in my pager reverts from 4 to 1 on reboot. Then spinning the desktop cube causes Plasma to crash, then four desktops appear in the pager
[02:59] <hpladds> any help?
[02:59] <mbazdell> hpladds:  it's a glitch with the pager and compiz
[02:59] <mbazdell> are you running intrepid?
[02:59] <hpladds> mbazdell: yup
[03:00] <mbazdell> on kde-look.org there's a patched version of pager that will fix the pager
[03:00] <mbazdell> however plasma crashing is new to me
[03:01] <hpladds> I;ve seen this exact thing on a different computer, then it went away. How I'm not sure
[03:01] <ott0> mbazdell: so i guess since dpkg is called by most other package managers, that information can be updated when I use, e.g. apt?
[03:01] <mbazdell> yup
[03:02] <mbazdell> basically to install any .deb, dpkg is used
[03:03] <mbazdell> hpladds:  I had the issue on my desktop. I fixed it by deleting ~/.copmiz and installing the patched pager deb.. But that may have been fixed in an update from the repository... not too sure
[03:03] <mbazdell> and sadly I'm running XP on my lappy at the moment because FGLRX is broked in Jaunty and I refuse to reinstall
[03:05] <hpladds> mbazdell: that is sad -- in so many ways
[03:05] <mbazdell> :(
[03:06] <mbazdell> it's really because I'm just lazy
[03:07] <hpladds> mbazdell: do you know of any name or description that this problem goes by? It's hard to research
[03:07] <mbazdell> I need to reformat all my systems.. they're a mess... I'm just too lazy to actually do it
[03:07] <mbazdell> hpladds:  which problem exactly? You have 2
[03:08] <ott0> is there any way to watch a process to see what files it modifies?
[03:08] <hpladds> mbazdell: once you start on the update path, you never know where it will end -- the four to one on reboot
[03:08] <ott0> basically i want to see what files a .bin installed
[03:10] <mbazdell> hpladds:  hmmm.. gimme a minute to see if I can find it
[03:11] <ott0> oh cool, it's listed as a package
[03:12] <mbazdell> hpladds:  seems like a new way to do it..
[03:12] <mbazdell> hpladds:  http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showpost.php?p=70565&postcount=2
[03:13] <mbazdell> as I recall now, I did something similar to this on my last setup
[03:16] <hpladds> mbazdell: I think that did it, but need to restart KDE. Thanks much!
[03:17] <mbazdell> no problem
[03:18] <mbazdell> ott0:  well if it's a .deb you can do `dpkg -c'
[03:19] <mbazdell> if it's something you got from apt-get it'd be in '/var/cache/apt/archive/'
[03:22] <dangaio> Ok, now I have a question/complaint... what happened with the rtl8187 drivers?  In 8.04 they worked perfectly. In 8.10 they suck. How can I fix this?
[03:23] <mbazdell> by suck, what do you mean?
[03:24] <GWild> well, it's like a vacuum, ....
[03:24] <GWild> sorry
[03:24] <mbazdell> well then isn't that an improvement?
[03:25] <GWild> lol
[03:25] <dangaio> mbazdell, I can boot into 8.04 and it can see all the networks around my area with excellent signal quality.
[03:25] <dangaio> In 8.10, I can barely connect to the router in the same room.
[03:27] <mbazdell> try booting with an older kernel?
[03:28] <dangaio> I have done that. That is why I am asking.
[03:29] <mbazdell> okay when you use an older kernel it works? Is that correct?
[03:29] <dangaio> that is correct.
[03:29] <mbazdell> then why not just use the older kernel?
[03:29] <mbazdell> lol
[03:29] <dangaio> Because it is in 8.04 not 8.10
[03:29] <mbazdell> you'd still be using 8.10 since the repos are all on that level
[03:30] <Atom330> gues old kernels dont support everthing
[03:30] <mbazdell> dangaio:  other than the wireless issue, does the new kernel provide you with any noticable improvement?
[03:30] <dangaio> can you explain? I am a newbie.
[03:30] <mbazdell> Kernel is like the engine
[03:31] <mbazdell> for your drivers
[03:31] <Atom330> what can cause a kernel panic? i get those on my atom machi
[03:31] <dangaio> yes, it does.
[03:31] <mbazdell> using an older kernel isn't using 8.04. What makes 8.10 is all the packages really
[03:32] <mbazdell> it's your repositories
[03:32] <mbazdell> if you run kde4.2, using kernel 2.6.17 instead of 2.6.18 wont stop you from running kde4.2
[03:32] <mbazdell> Atom330:  many things.. what does it do right before it panics?
[03:32] <michael> kubuntu hardy firefox 3.0  will not remember window size even after deleting/moving localstore.rdf any help appriciated
[03:33] <mbazdell> michael:  easiest thing to try would be to apt-get upgrade to intrepid
[03:33] <mbazdell> other than that, right click on the title bar and select advanced options.
[03:34] <mbazdell> then tell it to stay a specific size to see if that works
[03:34] <mbazdell> if that works, then remove the specific setting, and see if it will remember
[03:34] <michael> mbazdell: ok will try thanks
[03:34] <mbazdell> in hardy, it's kwin that keeps the size settings
[03:35] <mbazdell> so there'd be some setting in there that could be the culprit
[03:36] <GWild> mbazdell: have you installed kde 4.2?  I'm still running 4.1
[03:36] <mbazdell> GWild:  yup
[03:36] <mbazdell> it's pretty
[03:36] <GWild> work well, buggy?
[03:36] <mbazdell> actually quite usable at the moment
[03:36] <mbazdell> few glitches but nothing really major
[03:36] <GWild> under Gentoo I ran 3.5 and it's very different and less squirrely
[03:37] <GWild> maybe I'll upgrade to 4.2 then
[03:37] <mbazdell> I actually prefer 3.5 more
[03:37] <GWild> so far I do as well
[03:37] <GWild> is it possible to revert to 3.5.x under Intrepid?
[03:37] <mbazdell> yup
[03:37] <GWild> or is the major release tied to the kde version
[03:37] <mbazdell> there's a how to out there
[03:37] <mbazdell> gimme a sec to find it
[03:37] <GWild> i'll rtfm it
[03:38] <GWild> excuse me, I mean google it
[03:39] <mbazdell> http://forum.kde.org/how-get-kde-kubuntu-10-t-11996.html
[03:39] <GWild> thank you
[03:39] <GWild> now I'll have to think about it.....
[03:39] <mbazdell> heh
[03:40] <mbazdell> I was happy with 4.2 enough to not bother
[03:40] <GWild> I think I'll do 4.2 before I decide
[03:40] <mbazdell> But then I broke it with Jaunty
[03:40] <mbazdell> so don't do Jaunty
[03:40] <mbazdell> lol
[03:40] <GWild> nod
[03:40] <GWild> well, think I'll hit Adept and check into 4.2
[03:40] <mbazdell> I think tomorrow if it's slow at work I'll be reinstalling intrepid
[03:41] <GWild> I really like Kub compared to Gen2
[03:41] <mbazdell> I just find it to be easier
[03:41] <GWild> but every distro has it's version of a learning curve
[03:41] <GWild> right
[03:42] <mbazdell> Gen2 was fun, but too much work.. Debian was too slow with updates... Mandrake was pretty decent but .deb systems just has a much larger repository... RedHat... If you don't mind spending 10 hours downloading deps... Fedora... Meh...
[03:42] <mbazdell> I don't like gnome
[03:48] <FOrgeAus> hey all :)
[03:48] <playinglove> hello
[03:48] <mbazdell> greetings
[03:49] <mbazdell> bah
[03:49] <mbazdell> too late
[03:49] <mbazdell> lol
[03:49] <ForgeAus> omg 1809 packages!!!!
[03:49] <mbazdell> did you just do an apt-get update?
[03:50] <macken> has anyone had any problems with firefox when using compiz. In both gnome and kde I had firefox doing off the wall stuff. Opera seems to not be bothered by compiz
[03:50] <mbazdell> macken:  I did in kde3.5
[03:50] <macken> I
[03:50] <mbazdell> but that was just after Hardy was release
[03:51] <mbazdell> few updates to compiz later everything cleaned up
[03:51] <ForgeAus> mbaz apt-get dist-uprade...
[03:51] <ForgeAus> macken, no idea, try reinstalling ff?
[03:51] <ForgeAus> afaik it shouldn't do anything off the wall...
[03:51] <macken> im not sure its compiz but when I turned it off, most of the problems went away.
[03:52] <dangaio> mbazdell, would I have to change the initrd.img file also?
[03:53] <macken> I have not used firefox now for about 6  months. maybe I should check again.
[03:53] <Tomas---> Hi why is two KDE open?
[03:55] <ForgeAus> note macken with kde4.x you no longer require compiz
[03:56] <macken> Im using 4.1 now and have stopped using compiz. but, how do you get the cubed desktops without compiz?
[03:56] <ForgeAus> (although I guess you might need to use its effects/desktopcube, etc with Gnome if you use that... )
[03:57] <ForgeAus> macken uh, I think kde4 has desktop cube or are working on it, you may just need to wait a little?
[03:57] <mbazdell> ForgeAus:  doesn't kwin4 actually use compiz?
[03:57] <mbazdell> you can edit it with ccsm aswell
[03:57] <macken> I have heard that 4.2 is supposed to have a 3d cube function but have not heard for sure.
[03:59] <ForgeAus> uh mbazdell I don't think so
[03:59] <ForgeAus> kwin4 has its own built in 3dfx... entirely separate from compiz
[04:00] <ForgeAus> however I do think kde4 is more compiz-aware than kde3 was?...
[04:00] <Tomas---> i need help with http://i43.tinypic.com/206jtih.png
[04:01] <ForgeAus> ie I don't think you need an entirely separate desktop pager with kde4 it works with compiz and kwin equally, (from memory, I know I did this stuff but I'm not entirely sure how anymore...)
[04:01] <ForgeAus> with KDE3 you need to remove your desktop pager and use a compiz replacement one (looks the same... )
[04:01] <mbazdell> ahh.. I wasn't sure
[04:02] <mbazdell> good to know
[04:02] <mbazdell> Tomas---:  that's the plasma dashboard button
[04:02] <macken> compiz intergrated with kde 4 fine. once in a while it would revert back to kwin  but no major problems
[04:02] <Tomas---> mbazdell: ye end there is 2...
[04:02] <ForgeAus> with compiz and kde3 theres also kde integration...
[04:03] <ForgeAus> you need some extra package(s?) ...
[04:03] <ForgeAus> (used to be aquamarine I think, mostly for the kde decorators to work)
[04:05] <casinowarren> who here is pretty good with kubuntu?
[04:05] <mbazdell> casinowarren:  lots of people
[04:06] <mbazdell> Tomas---:  are you sure?
[04:06] <mbazdell> you should have one in the taskbar
[04:06] <mbazdell> and one on the desktop
[04:06] <mbazdell> if that's what you mean by 2
[04:06] <Tomas---> there is to up there and 2 in taskbar
[04:06] <Tomas---> two*
[04:07] <mbazdell> interesting
[04:07] <mbazdell> did it just start happening or was it there all along?
[04:08] <casinowarren> ok, i'm still stuck on stupid when trying to install my fonts on kubuntu 8.1 with kde 4.2 desktop
[04:08] <Tomas---> mbazdell: i only restart :P
[04:09] <mbazdell> casinowarren:  can't get your fonts to install?
[04:09] <ForgeAus> casino, not sure that makes you stupid, fonts can be tough to work with... kubuntu can work with several types of them too...
[04:09] <mbazdell> Tomas---:  what do you mean?
[04:10] <ForgeAus> I doubt its as simple as dragging and dropping, sometimes fonts install into the x-server
[04:10] <Tomas---> mbazdell: /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[04:10] <Tomas---> and it started two :s
[04:11] <casinowarren> no i can't
[04:11] <casinowarren> and i can't access my root permissions to install directly
[04:11] <mbazdell> Tomas---:  and if you reboot completely does it come back?
[04:11] <Tomas---> ye
[04:12] <casinowarren> when i was using ubuntu i could just drag an drop to the root folder and it would be available in all programs
[04:12] <casinowarren> i thought the same script...gksu nautilus would work on kubuntu but it goes nowhere
[04:12] <mbazdell> Tomas---:  so it just started happening after you did a `/etc/init.d/kdm restart' and now when you reboot it still happens?
[04:13] <ForgeAus> gksi isn't in kubuntu nor is nautilus
[04:13] <mbazdell> casinowarren:  try `kdesu dolphin'
[04:13] <casinowarren> well that explains alot
[04:13] <ForgeAus> the equivalents of them two are kdesudo and konqueror (or dolphin)
[04:14] <mbazdell> I like dolphin a lot and wish konqueror would just go awa
[04:14] <mbazdell> away*
[04:14] <mbazdell> lol
[04:14] <casinowarren> AH HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:14] <ForgeAus> gksu (is just what puts the password dialog in) kdesu/kdesudo or in commandline sudo so that also... gksu is based on the gtk toolkit...
[04:14] <casinowarren> you guys are fantastic
[04:14] <Tomas---> mbazdell: i installed driver for geforce 9800GT
[04:14] <ForgeAus> I don't like Dolphin! I'd rather krusader and/or Konqueror by far!
[04:14] <casinowarren> brb let me see if this works
[04:15] <ForgeAus> Konqueror is a 2-in-one browser and file manger
[04:16] <ForgeAus> krusader is an addon filemanager not built into KDE but if you know midnight commander and are looking for a GUI version, its a nice option (dunno about kde4 and krusader tho)...
[04:16] <ForgeAus> dolphin was to replace Konqueror as the default file manager in kde4 but I still havn't warmed up to it yet personally...
[04:16] <casinowarren> it's working..YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:16] <mbazdell> I have never liked konqueror as a web browser.. it was good for a file manager, but I find dolphin to be much better
[04:17] <ForgeAus> casino, of course its working :)
[04:17] <ForgeAus> mbazdell: each to their own I guess...
[04:17] <casinowarren> lol@forgaus
[04:17] <ForgeAus> konqueror is ok as a basic web browser, sure its no firefox, but its not bad...
[04:18] <mbazdell> agreed
[04:18] <XPS_M1330> how to disable spellchecker in kmail?
[04:18] <ForgeAus> and its getting better....
[04:18] <ForgeAus> good question XPS I dunno
[04:19] <Codd> ive been googling around and I must be slow today, I know Ubuntu uses pulseaudio but what does Kubuntu use?
[04:19] <XPS_M1330> does anyone use kmail?
[04:20] <XPS_M1330> can you live with all your writings underlined in red?
[04:20] <mbazdell> Codd:  for what?
[04:20] <mbazdell> XPS_M1330:  kmail has gotten a lot better... still no support for Exchange really...
[04:21] <mbazdell> but yes, there is a way to disable the spell check.. I can't remember right now and i"m stuck in XP
[04:21] <Codd> a sound server i guess. want to look into having my audio resampled / converted to ac3, apparently pulse can do it, wanted to see if it was the same w/ Kubuntu
[04:22] <ForgeAus> hehe mbazdell get andlinux! :)
[04:22] <mbazdell> Codd:  KDE uses arts
[04:22] <ForgeAus> kubuntu has pulseaduio or at least can have it... not sure what it uses by default
[04:22] <ForgeAus> theres arts alsa oss and about 4 others... they all confuse me :) lol
[04:23] <Codd> I have an audigy2 with a coax SPDIF out connected to a 5.1 reciever when I came across the pulseaudio thread it got me going
[04:23] <Codd> :)
[04:23] <mbazdell> ForgeAus:  alsa and oss are kernel level drivers
[04:24] <mbazdell> where as arts and the gnome one sit on top
[04:24] <Codd> pulse is still kinda new though ...
[04:24] <ForgeAus> esd uses to be the one that pulseaudo replaced wasn't it?
[04:24] <Nick_Meister> hello i would like some help installing kubuntu onto a normal ubuntu
[04:24] <mbazdell> which is nice because with alsa and oss, only one application can use it at a time
[04:24] <Nick_Meister> i had it before, but i used the 4.2 beta and i dunno why but it erased itself from my pc
[04:25] <mbazdell> esd and arts allows a bunch of them because they sit on alsa
[04:25] <Nick_Meister> now every time i try to reinstall it it keeps erroring out
[04:26] <ForgeAus> uh am I going to have enough space on my hdd to load and install these 1809 packages?
[04:26] <casinowarren> anyone know how to skin kubuntu?
[04:26] <casinowarren> like you can ubuntu?
[04:26] <mbazdell> skin it?
[04:26] <mbazdell> you mean apply themes to kwin?
[04:27] <ForgeAus> uh casino with kde4 there isn't much skinning yet... you can get some probably but kde3 had styles
[04:27] <mbazdell> I don't mean to sound technical
[04:27] <ForgeAus> is there a crystal for kde4 yet? the default is oxygen I know that much :)
[04:28] <casinowarren> i didn't think it was possible yet
[04:28] <ForgeAus> uh I think it is possible, brb, checking something
[04:30] <ForgeAus> in system settings  the appearance tab...
[04:30] <Slartibartfast> ForgeAus apt-cache search crystal shows me on Jaunty : kwin-style-crystal
[04:30] <ForgeAus> go to windows and decoration... (also colours and icons and fonts ) for styling/theming of kde4
[04:31] <ForgeAus> apparently I have a few installed, ozone is the one I use
[04:31] <mbazdell> Slartibartfast:  how are you finding Jaunty?
[04:31] <ForgeAus> ozygen quartz sculpture and a few others are around
[04:32] <Slartibartfast> mmm i can work with it, and live with the bugs ...
[04:33] <Slartibartfast> at start up i get right away 4 crash files in /var/crash/ :-)
[04:33] <Slartibartfast> Seems they are now in a transition to a new version of Python
[04:33] <Slartibartfast> makes thigns depending on that kind of buggy
[04:33] <Slartibartfast> things*
[04:35] <Slartibartfast> Little annoying is that i can not normally close the computer ... then some plasma thing will crash .. and freezes my desktop :-) ...... So i need to use CTRL ALT BKSP for that
[04:35] <mbazdell> hmmm
[04:35] <mbazdell> that could be a display driver thing
[04:35] <Slartibartfast> Yes .. using nvidia ...
[04:35] <mbazdell> lol
[04:36] <mbazdell> I was just oging to say
[04:36] <Slartibartfast> seems the latest nvidia driver causes problems
[04:36] <mbazdell> probably something to do with X.org at 7.4
[04:37] <Slartibartfast> but ... i can live with it :-) ... i can test very new software and help with reporting problems to make a betetr system
[04:37] <khalidmian> Slartibartfast: go built the fjords 1st LOL
[04:37] <Slartibartfast> :-D
[04:38] <Slartibartfast> And btw, i have a quadrupal booting computer ... so if things really get messed up i will boot in one of the other OS'es
[04:38] <khalidmian> or better still wear jojantas peril sensitive supercroamtic sunglasses
[04:39] <Slartibartfast> Hheheheeh ... khalidmian, you know your classics :-P
[04:39] <PKodon> supercroamtic? Do you mean superchromatic?
[04:39] <khalidmian> Slartibartfast: here i am brain the size of the planet and you ask me such boring questions
[04:40] <khalidmian> LOL
[04:40] <braiam> Hello guys
[04:40] <Slartibartfast> :-D
[04:40] <Slartibartfast> !hi|braiam
[04:41] <mbazdell> alrighty.. I'm off to bed
[04:41] <mbazdell> thanks for the entertainment tonight guys/gals!
[04:41] <PKodon> Ahh, that's what they are: Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses
[04:41] <Slartibartfast> :-) Cya
[04:41] <khalidmian> yup\
[04:42] <PKodon> Thanks to Google.
[04:42] <khalidmian> they make you avoid seeing anything you didnt want to in the 1st place
[04:42] <Slartibartfast> hehehe
[04:42] <PKodon> I could have used those a number of times.
[04:42] <PKodon> Just today.
[04:42] <khalidmian> rolf
[04:42] <khalidmian> rofl i mean
[04:43] <PKodon> And I certainly could have used them about a year and a half ago - oof, what I saw when I opened that door!
[04:44]  * Slartibartfast puts on his  Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses
[04:44] <PKodon> Well, anyway. That's another story, for another day.
[04:45] <Slartibartfast> thanks :-)
[04:45] <ForgeAus> yay back.. again...
[04:46]  * PKodon wonders if it's worth it to install kde4 in PC/OS.
[04:47] <XPS_M1330> what's the difference between kickoff and KBFX
[04:48] <PKodon> I had a bit of an adventure last night and today with PC/OS. I found out that my Ubuntu 8.04 magazine's suggestion that we give / a 5GB partition is way too small - especially if you want to install any large 3-D games.
[04:48] <PKodon> And I also discovered that it doesn't seem to work too well to give /usr it's own partition.
[04:49] <XPS_M1330> having to resize root partition... sounds like fun!
[04:49] <braiam> Guys, I want to establish a not so common network set up. Can you help me?
[04:50] <XPS_M1330> I wish I could handle my own common network setup
[04:51] <Slartibartfast> braiam: what kind of "not so common network setup" ?
[04:51] <PKodon> XPS_M1330: Well, I ended up just reinstalling. Then I had fun with the NTFS drive (pulled out of a USB external case that used to be hooked up to an XP laptop, and too full of important stuff to lose) that somehow was marked as in use.
[04:52] <PKodon> I was told to either force the mount (and take whatever consequences I might get) or have Windows (which I no longer have) reboot twice to fix it.
[04:53] <braiam> Well, I want that my Kubuntu PC (connected to inet), make a dial up call to another computer (running xubuntu). The computer running xubuntu must be able to answer the call and use the inet connection from the Kubuntu computer
[04:53]  * XPS_M1330 is discovering plasma is one crashy app!
[04:53] <braiam> Lets think I can set up both modems. Do you know what should I do next? or what words should I google next?
[04:55] <Slartibartfast> That sound like a ppp connection ... xubuntu should have a ppp connection listening
[04:55] <Slartibartfast> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/setting-up-dial-up-connection-in-ubuntu.html maybe can help a little
[04:55] <PKodon> braiam: I know nothing about modems under Linux, just learning Linux myself, but, let me ask you (for the sake of possible help): are these two computers in the same room, or are you actually calling the other computer via landline?
[04:56] <Apple_Cat> Are there working propriety nvidia drivers working with 8.10 yet ?
[04:56] <braiam> actually landline. And the xubuntu computer has no internet access. only landline
[04:56] <Slartibartfast> braiam should this be done automatically or do you make the connection manual ?
[04:56] <braiam> manual is ok
[04:56] <braiam> CLI is also OK in both sides
[04:57] <PKodon> braiam: So, in essence, you want the other computer to work as a router.
[04:58] <braiam> PKodon: Yes!, that is
[04:58] <braiam> the "router" is the one that initiates the call
[04:59] <wartalker> the knetworkmanager does not dock in tray, but as a normal widget, how to repair
[05:01] <Slartibartfast> braiam on the xubuntu you at least should have pppd listening ... on the landline ... and ircc that goes with some getty setting
[05:03] <braiam> give me a minute, googling for the unknown "ircc" term ;)
[05:03] <Slartibartfast> hehehe No
[05:03] <coreyman> how  to install  kde3  into  ubuntu intrepid ibex?
[05:04] <Slartibartfast> braiam :-) my fault ... i mean iirc
[05:05] <Slartibartfast> if i recall correctly
[05:07] <SandGorgon> guys.. which IDE (qtdevelop 4.5 or KDevelop 4.0) is more stable and faster to respond? I need it for plain vanilla C++ and Python programming
[05:09] <braiam> oh, iirc, that acronym did not exist back in '95 LOL. well, I will read for the pppd, thank you. And do you know how can I initiate the call? what can I use? Its my first time with dial up stuff
[05:09] <braiam> first time with dial up using linux
[05:11] <Slartibartfast> braiam, maybe this howto will help http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Modem-HOWTO-12.html
[05:18] <braiam> Slartibartfast:thank you, reading it :)
[05:19] <Slartibartfast> OK... In the Linux Documentation Project are many more useful HOWTO's
[05:20] <Slartibartfast> some a little old though :-) ... but it's about the basics
[05:21] <Slartibartfast> wartalker: i don't know how to solve the detaching knetworkmanagers icon ...... you'll just have to live with it. it seems
[05:21] <wiggles> hi
[05:22] <wiggles> glxinfo says direct rendering is on,  i "think" my ati drivers are installed correctly.  i installed the restricted drivers, and rebooted after all this.  why does video media flicker ?
[05:25] <ForgeAus> SandGorgon, I'd recommend using Kdevelop, but its more likely that the with the two criteria you gave, fastest and more stable, that qtdevelop would be...
[05:25] <wiggles> !restricted
[05:25] <ForgeAus> (my reasoning being theres much more to KDE than QT alone... )
[05:26] <braiam> thanks for your help. now is bed time. see yo
[05:26] <braiam> you
[05:27] <ForgeAus> does KDE4 have Konversation yet?
[05:27] <wiggles> yeah i ran apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras as root, why does the quality suck?
[05:27] <SandGorgon> ForgeAus: but I'm not looking for UI programming - mostly vanilla C++ and python. Do you still recommend kdevelop ?
[05:28] <braiam>  ForgeAus: Im using Konversation on KDE4
[05:28] <Slartibartfast> wiggles: from this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=82368 i read "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" might set the right sync rates for you
[05:28] <ForgeAus> SandGorgon you seem to be looking for QTdevelop...
[05:29] <ForgeAus> braiam yeah me too but I'm using kde3's konversation under kde4 lol
[05:29] <SandGorgon> hmmm...
[05:29] <Slartibartfast> ForgeAus: they develop a new kde4 irc client ...... quassel
[05:30] <braiam> ForgeAus: yes! youre right!, 3.50.10 Seems the same setup than yours
[05:30] <ForgeAus> Kdevelop is a nice IDE with stuff that QTdevelop doesn't have... but I doubt you'll need the extras for cli programming so QT looks like the one your after...
[05:30] <wiggles> Slartibartfast: i already ran that
[05:31] <ForgeAus> quassel hmm interesting, also interesting is that KVirc didn't turn out to be the one
[05:31] <Slartibartfast> maybe look in the video output settings of your program, and see if you can change that ?
[05:32] <Slartibartfast> ForgeAus: last time i used quassel they still had issues with wordswrap :-)
[05:32] <wiggles> actually i ran dpkg-reconfigure -phigh linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[05:32] <wiggles> hopeuflly this works
[05:32] <ForgeAus> lol...
[05:32] <Slartibartfast> but quaseel looks promising
[05:33] <Slartibartfast> :-D in my language quassel sounds like kweezel :-) which means somebody who talks bulls**t :-)
[05:35] <ForgeAus> thats probably why they chose that name!
[05:35] <Slartibartfast> :-) who knows
[05:44] <brad_> why does the second hd of my lvm say it's empty ? no part table ?
[05:49] <ForgeAus> actually quassel does look interesting from what I'veseen sofar
[05:49] <XPS_M1330> anyone uses xubuntu?
[05:49] <ForgeAus> XPS its like a cut-down Gnome, why would I?
[05:51] <XPS_M1330> I used to run XFCE when I had an older laptop, I liked it better than gnome
[05:51] <XPS_M1330> I like KDE better than gnome too
[05:51] <Slartibartfast> XPS_M1330: probably in #xubuntu are more people who use xubuntu
[05:53] <XPS_M1330> yes, but noone's awake! ;)
[05:53] <ForgeAus> Qwit? twitter for KDE? lol
[05:53] <Slartibartfast> to bad :-) ...
[05:54] <pteague> how do you pad a string in shell scripting ?  i.e. i have 2 columns i want spaced apart
[06:03] <wiggles> hi
[06:03] <wiggles> does anyone know about ati drivers?
[06:03] <wiggles> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI  does not mention ubuntu 8.10
[06:08] <Elone> hihi
[06:10] <DaSkreech> wiggles: Does it need to?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> !hi | Elone
[06:11] <wiggles> DaSkreech: well yea, how else should i know what to do.
[06:11] <DaSkreech> pteague: col
[06:11] <wiggles> what if i break something
[06:11] <DaSkreech> wiggles: install irssi
[06:11] <wiggles> bad enuff linux has to make stuff harder than it has to.
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Stuff isn't that much harder :)
[06:12] <wiggles> does anyone know about ati drivers?
[06:12] <wiggles> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI  does not mention ubuntu 8.10
[06:13] <Slartibartfast> wiggles: Linux doesn't make it harder ... itf the hardware manufacturers just release detailed specs / or even develop good fuctioning drivers there would be no problem
[06:14] <maco> just the specs really
[06:14] <DaSkreech> wiggles: where are you having a problem?
[06:14] <Slartibartfast> little help would be nice too
[06:14] <maco> im told by a kernely person that given a data sheet he could easily write a driver for whatever hardware he's bought that doesn't work
[06:14] <wiggles> im just looking for the method to install drivres.
[06:15] <maco> it shouldnt be any different than 804...
[06:15] <DaSkreech> maco: Yeah but then the company would collapse and the fields would burn and the world would starve
[06:15] <sparr> maco: let us assume, for a moment, that I am only asking because it does not.  likely yet another problem with upgrading
[06:16] <DaSkreech> wiggles: Which card btw ?
[06:16] <sparr> maco: as I am reading a long web page, scrolling with the mouse or keyboard, the screensaver comes on.  If I move the mouse a little while I am reading, the screensaver does not come on.
[06:16] <wiggles> radeon
[06:16] <DaSkreech> wiggles: Well hopefully :) Which model
[06:17] <wiggles> where do i find that out ?
[06:18] <DaSkreech> probably sudo lshw -C Video
[06:18] <wiggles>        product: RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Ah yeah you need fglrx then
[06:18] <DaSkreech> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide
[06:18] <wiggles> ahh
[06:24] <maco> sparr: AFAIK, that's not a setting...more like a bug
[06:25] <DaSkreech> wiggles: I'd still advocate you install irssi
[06:26] <wiggles> why ?
[06:26] <wiggles> i dont like extra clicking
[06:26] <wiggles> and irssi make me look 1337
[06:29] <wiggles> i already ran, dpkg-reconfigure -phigh linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`   will this conflict with fglrx ?
[06:30] <wiggles> if so, how do i undo that ?
[06:31] <DaSkreech> wiggles: no shouldn't
[06:32] <lucas_> hi. is there an equivalent for emerge --depclean in (k)ubuntu ?
[06:32] <ForgeAus> depclean? whats that do?
[06:33] <lucas_> gntoo command to remove all the packages that weren't explicitly installed excluding these packages's dependencies
[06:34] <ForgeAus> ok well then not as far as I know lucas, there may be but I'm not aware of it
[06:34] <ForgeAus> man apt-get should tell you if there is one
[06:34] <lucas_> ok thanks
[06:35] <DaSkreech> lucas_: try autoclean
[06:35] <ForgeAus> uh, man -k apt-get I forgot the exact command... I think you can use the konquerer browsers kio-slave for reading man pages, a little easier typing man:apt-get in the browser lol
[06:35] <lucas_> i will ty
[06:37] <wiggles> when running 32bit kubuntu on a 64bit machine, i of course still follow 32bit instructions. correct ?
[06:37] <maco> lucas_: you can use deborphan to find dependency packages that no longer have a use
[06:37] <maco> lucas_: if you always install using aptitude, aptitude remove will always remove these packages
[06:38] <maco> lucas_: and apt-get nowadays will prompt you to "apt-get autoremove" such packages
[06:38] <maco> apt-get autoclean is *not* for this. it simply empties the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:38] <DaSkreech> wiggles: Yes
[06:39] <DaSkreech> oh Thought that was what wasasked for. I'm really suppoesd to be sleeping
[06:40] <lucas_> macro: what about a program that was pulled by another package (not a library dependency) ? will this remove it?
[06:41]  * wiggles reboots
[06:41]  * lucas_ is getting disk space paranoid
[06:45] <maco> lucas_: yes, anything that was automatically installed (meaning as a dependency) as opposed to manually installed (what you put after "apt-get install")
[06:45] <silver_swords> i've been trying to connect to channel #synce, but #kubuntu is the only one that i get. any help please.
[06:46] <maco> silver_swords: what irc client?
[06:46] <lucas_> maco: cool. do you know if there is an editable list of those manually installed packages?
[06:46] <silver_swords> #kubuntu
[06:46] <maco> just run "sudo aptitude"
[06:46] <maco> silver_swords: no, what client? quassel? xchat?
[06:46] <maco> lucas_: you can toggle manual/automatic install purpose inside that TUI
[06:47] <silver_swords> aah, konversation.
[06:47] <maco> silver_swords: ok ive never used that, but there should be something in the menu to join, or maybe you can type "/join #synce"?
[06:48] <silver_swords> type here?
[06:48] <piromaniacboy> hola gente
[06:48] <silver_swords> ok ok.. i got it.. silly me.   =
[06:48] <silver_swords> =)
[06:49] <silver_swords> thnx and bye.
[06:49] <lucas_> n00b :p
[06:49] <piromaniacboy> all of you speak english?
[06:49] <lucas_> i speak spanish
[06:49] <piromaniacboy> hola lucas
[06:49] <lucas_> hola
[06:50] <piromaniacboy> estoy probando linux en mi laptop
[06:50] <chronic> does any of you know of the name of the WDM that can do stuff like compiz but without 3d acceleration???
[06:51] <piromaniacboy> no, i don't know =/
[06:51] <chronic> i think some Polish guys code it
[06:54] <piromaniacboy> i can't install compiz because i'm updating my system
[06:56] <DaSkreech> chronic: like what?
[06:56] <chronic> DaSkreech, what u mean?
[06:56] <DaSkreech> you saidit can do things like compiz. Things like what?
[06:57] <maco> chronic: kwi can do it
[06:57] <maco> chronic: kwin
[06:57] <XPS_M1330> can we install openoffice 3 on intrepid?
[06:57] <maco> er oh
[06:57] <maco> wait no 3d? O_o
[06:58] <piromaniacboy> you can use compiz without 3d aceletaror
[06:58] <maco> oh reading other channel
[06:58] <maco> chronic doesnt want a window manager...
[06:58] <chronic> DaSkreech, special effects, i don't know exactly which, i'm sure not all of them
[06:58] <maco> er wait
[06:59] <maco> ah so confused
[06:59] <lucas_> XPS_M1330: yes, you have to add a repo on your sources.list
[06:59] <maco> nevermind. that was someone else saying wdm should be wm
[06:59] <maco> chronic: kwin can do the effects, but i thought it still needed 3d
[06:59] <lucas_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main
[07:00] <piromaniacboy> i have in my desktop computer compiz running only with the sis integrated
[07:01] <chronic> its a WDM, like gonome or KDE
[07:03] <piromaniacboy> aaa
[07:03] <piromaniacboy> =)
[07:03] <maco> ive never heard those called WDM. what does that stand for?  they're always DEs (Desktop Environments) when i hear them referenced
[07:03] <DaSkreech> piromaniacboy: You mean Mettise ?
[07:03] <DaSkreech> agh
[07:03] <DaSkreech> chronic: you mean mettise ?
[07:04] <maco> DaSkreech: is that the one with the folding corners?
[07:04] <piromaniacboy> mean = conocer?
[07:04] <piromaniacboy> no, mettise no
[07:04] <chronic> DaSkreech, let me check
[07:04] <DaSkreech> piromaniacboy: sorry Wrong person
[07:04] <DaSkreech> !es | piromaniacboy
[07:05] <maco> er.... いめ...thats the only language into which i can translate "mean"
[07:05] <DaSkreech> !jp | maco
[07:05] <piromaniacboy> the other efect, i don't remember the name
[07:05] <maco> DaSkreech: P
[07:05] <maco> *:P
[07:05] <piromaniacboy> i use it in mandriva
[07:06] <pajosephs_> can not get 1366 x768 res on 40 inch sony lcd. with kubuntu 8.04, only 1440 x 900
[07:06] <piromaniacboy> and now i'm updating my sistem and i can't instal compiz
[07:06] <chronic> DaSkreech, no, not mettise
[07:07] <piromaniacboy> we are confused all xD
[07:07] <chronic> does anyone know of a list of all wdms that exist? like a wiki or something?
[07:07] <maco> pajosephs_: is 1440 not the native resolution?
[07:07] <maco> chronic: what is a WDM?
[07:07] <maco> chronic: this is a mystery acronym
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Weapon of Dumb Mastication
[07:07] <piromaniacboy> jajaja
[07:08] <maco> DaSkreech: i tried to /nick to a japanese nick but irssi's not happy
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Window Desktop Manager
[07:08] <piromaniacboy> that can be one
[07:08] <piromaniacboy> xD
[07:08] <pajosephs_> no, 1366 x768 is the native. got a black border at top and bottom
[07:08] <maco> um, so does that mean "DE + WM combo"?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> It's just lazy Doesn't want to have to draw it every time you speak
[07:08] <piromaniacboy> windows wtf
[07:09] <maco> ok wtf agrees that WDM is an unknown acronym :P
[07:09] <piromaniacboy> =P
[07:09] <chronic> dude, mAYBE IT'S UNKNOWN TO YOU
[07:09] <maco> (wtf is an executable in the bsdgames package. it defines acronyms)
[07:10] <maco> chronic: so does it mean a combo of a DE and a WM?
[07:10] <maco> or...hmm Desktop Manager...thatd be like gdm or kdm
[07:10] <chronic> no, it's a combo of wdm
[07:10] <maco> i dont understand what it entails
[07:11] <piromaniacboy> may be is something like kwin, but kubuntu use kwin o.O
[07:11] <maco> so is it DE+DM+WM?
[07:11] <maco> piromaniacboy: that'd be a WM
[07:11] <maco> without a D
[07:11] <maco> and chronic said something about full GNOME and KDE
[07:11] <maco> but those are DEs
[07:11] <chronic> maco, first letter of each word put together, whats so hard to understand?
[07:11] <maco> and it says "desktop manager" in there, so thatd mean like kdm or gdm
[07:11] <maco> chronic: they dont make sense together!
[07:12] <maco> what on earth is a "window desktop"?
[07:12] <maco> and how does one manage one?
[07:12] <piromaniacboy> chronic, you try to find it on google?
[07:13] <chronic> maco, stop being childish
[07:13] <maco> apt-cache says "wdm" is the windowmaker version of gdm
[07:13] <piromaniacboy> may be in a forum is easier to understand
[07:13] <maco> chronic: im not. ive never in the last 2.5 years heard anyone talk about what you're talking about.  i dont know how to parse it.
[07:13] <piromaniacboy> :O
[07:13] <chronic> piromaniacboy, don't know the name
[07:13] <maco> if you explain what you're talking about, maybe i can answer, but as it is you just keep repeating some acronym that doesnt mean anything to me
[07:14] <chronic> maco, ok so u tell me what it is and what it is "properly" called
[07:14] <ActionParsnip> maco: read this http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/09/get-to-know-linux-desktop-environment-vs-window-manager/
[07:15] <piromaniacboy> i'm sorry, but is the first time that i use irc, what is the meaning of somethings for me in red font?
[07:15] <ActionParsnip> maco: it explains what a desktop environment is (gnome, kde, xfce) and what a window decorator is (metacity, kwin)
[07:15] <ActionParsnip> piromaniacboy: depends on the client
[07:15] <DaSkreech> piromaniacboy: Someone is using your name to talk to you
[07:16] <DaSkreech> It makes it easier to see someone talking to you
[07:16] <piromaniacboy> thanks =)
[07:16] <maco> chronic: well you have to describe it first
[07:16] <maco> ActionParsnip: i know what those are. i wrote articles on those before
[07:16] <maco> ActionParsnip: i know what WM, window decorator, DM, and DE mean. i dont know what WDM means.
[07:17] <chronic> no, u think u know better and it's your time to describe it
[07:17] <ActionParsnip> window display manager, i think thats a graphical logon system
[07:17] <Slartibartfast> Description: WINGs Display Manager
[07:18] <ActionParsnip> possibly, look into kdm, gdm and slim
[07:18] <Slartibartfast> like xdm ..... or gdm
[07:18] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: Taht does Compiz effects?
[07:18] <maco> ActionParsnip: so regular display manager?
[07:18] <maco> no
[07:19] <maco> gdm and kdm are the only "DM" type thing i can come up with, and those are nothing like compiz
[07:19] <ActionParsnip> maco: sounds right to me. i wouldnt worry about it dude. bigger fish to fry
[07:19] <XPS_M1330> speaking of window decorator...
[07:19] <maco> ActionParsnip: here's my WM v. Window Decorator explanation. http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2008/12/compiz-emerald-metacity-what.html
[07:19] <ActionParsnip> maco: compiz is a window manager, which is why you can replace the current on with it, and to flip back you run metacity --replace
[07:20] <maco> ActionParsnip: i know!
[07:20] <XPS_M1330> I installed XFCE to try it out. Then I came back to KDE, and now my OpenOffice is all ugly, seems like it uses XFCE's graphical renderer
[07:20] <maco> ActionParsnip: but he's asking for a dm that replaces compiz and has compiz's effects
[07:20] <XPS_M1330> I removed XFCE but it didn't fix OpenOffice
[07:20] <ActionParsnip> kwin has some
[07:20] <maco> ActionParsnip: does gdm with compiz effects make any sense to you at all?
[07:20] <maco> ActionParsnip: i know!
[07:20] <piromaniacboy> someone know how connect my laptop to wifi like in windows?
[07:20] <ActionParsnip> maco: i dont know and *dm wit compiz effects
[07:21] <maco> ActionParsnip: thats why it makes no sense at all to me what is being asked
[07:21] <ActionParsnip> piromaniacboy: usb or pci wifi?
[07:21] <ActionParsnip> maco: it doesnt really, the dm is just giving a loon, if someone made one itd be ridiculous
[07:21] <maco> ActionParsnip: asking for WM with compiz effects makes sense. asking for a dm with compiz effects does not. that's why there must be some other meaning for wdm, but he want explain what he's looking for and says "no no, not a wm" so what's that leave?
[07:22] <maco> ack
[07:22] <maco> "makes no sense"
[07:22] <maco> ActionParsnip: that's what im saying
[07:22] <ActionParsnip> i gotcha
[07:22] <maco> we're completely talking past each other
[07:22] <ActionParsnip> piromaniacboy: then run lspci and it will identify the chip
[07:23] <ActionParsnip> piromaniacboy: you can then websearch, atheros is usually pretty supported
[07:23] <piromaniacboy> yes, is supported
[07:24] <piromaniacboy> but
[07:24] <maco> ActionParsnip: oooh yeah...i forgot about the comments that blog post got on digg. "blah blah blah i dont like the writing style of any girls blah blah blah"
[07:24] <piromaniacboy> i dont know how connect
[07:24] <ActionParsnip> piromaniacboy: then install the package or driver and you are golden, you can use network manager toconnect to wifi hotspots, if you se wpa ou will need the wpa supplicant and configure it
[07:25] <maco> ActionParsnip: is plasmoid-network-manager in intrepid or only jaunty/intepid-backports?
[07:25] <ActionParsnip> piromaniacboy: if you run: sudo iwlist scan
[07:25] <ActionParsnip> piromaniacboy: and it finds APs your job is a doddlt
[07:25] <ActionParsnip> maco: i dont use kwin so i wouldnt know
[07:26] <piromaniacboy> the driver is installed, but i dont know use konsole
[07:26] <piromaniacboy> xD
[07:26] <maco> ActionParsnip: er....thats naught to do with kwin...
[07:26] <piromaniacboy> i'm new in linux
[07:26] <ActionParsnip> !konsole
[07:26] <ActionParsnip> maco: plasmoids run in kwin
[07:26] <ActionParsnip> maco: i dont use kwin. i use fluxbox
[07:26] <maco> ActionParsnip: so you dont have a panel?
[07:26] <ActionParsnip> maco: so i have no idea
[07:26] <maco> wait, fluxbox inside KDE?
[07:27] <maco> or fluxbox alone?
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> maco: fluxbox but  have qt libs installed for amarok and ktorrent
[07:27] <DaSkreech> piromaniacboy: Welcome to Kubuntu and Linux
[07:27] <wartalker> ssh in kconsole, chinese display is error, help
[07:27] <piromaniacboy> thanks =P
[07:27] <maco> ah ok. i dont think kwin is needed, just the plasma process.
[07:28] <ActionParsnip> maco: i dont have plasma
[07:28] <maco> wartalker: LC_ALL=C ssh .... maybe?
[07:28] <maco> ActionParsnip: oh
[07:28] <ActionParsnip> maco: i have fluxbox + some kde stuffs
[07:28]  * maco looks at the kde channel, at the fluxbox user, and back to kde
[07:28] <wartalker> maco: change in .bashrc?
[07:29] <maco> wartalker: you can just type "LC_ALL ssh user@server" and itll spit errors in english
[07:29] <ActionParsnip> maco: i like kde apps but hate the clutter
[07:29] <SandGorgon> ActionParsnip: I agree..
[07:29] <maco> ActionParsnip: see i like gnome apps but think kde is pretty
[07:29] <ActionParsnip> maco: and i can easily install kde apps as the deps will be pulled in
[07:29] <piromaniacboy> is hard to me undestand, i'm a new student of english xD
[07:29] <DaSkreech> maco: be nice
[07:29] <ActionParsnip> kwin is horrid, all that rubbish getting in the way
[07:29] <maco> in the way?
[07:30] <p_quarles> ActionParsnip: plasmoids run in plasma, not kwin; they are separate things
[07:30] <ActionParsnip> maco: and stupid effects etc etc
[07:30] <maco> p_quarles: thanks. thats what i thought.
[07:30] <maco> ActionParsnip: which you can turn off
[07:30] <noaXess> good morning
[07:30] <SandGorgon> ActionParsnip: kwin is just a compositing desktop... as i understand it, everything else are plugins.
[07:30] <piromaniacboy> good morning
[07:30] <maco> SandGorgon: its just the window manager
[07:30] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: no the compoisiting is plugins as well
[07:30] <maco> fluxbox doesnt have any special pull IMO.  now...xmonad is nice for tiling
[07:30] <SandGorgon> maco: true
[07:30] <ActionParsnip> maco: then why not run something thats lighter if im not using the prettys
[07:31] <piromaniacboy> good bye =)
[07:31] <DaSkreech> maco: Stop giving him a hard time
[07:31] <noaXess> doesn anybody know, why i cant print in landscape format from firefox?
[07:31] <DaSkreech> bye piromaniacboy
[07:31] <ActionParsnip> maco: i find fluxbox has awesome keyboard shortcut capabilities
[07:31] <SandGorgon> the configuration of desktop-effects plugins is usability hell
[07:31] <maco> ActionParsnip: i never did figure out how to set those up...
[07:31] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: It has a filter
[07:31] <noaXess> i can't change it anywhere, no landcape, orientation option
[07:31] <maco> ActionParsnip: i used to use fluxbox but i used fbrun all the time because i couldnt figure out keyboard shortcuts
[07:31] <noaXess> landscape
[07:32] <ActionParsnip> maco: look in ~/.fluxbox/keys
[07:32] <maco> ActionParsnip: what is Mod1?
[07:32] <p_quarles> noaXess: File > Page Setup?
[07:32] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: no no.. what i meant is take one plugin - say the plugin for the desktop cube - and give it to your grandmother to switch it on, configure keybindings...
[07:32] <ActionParsnip> maco: left alt
[07:33] <noaXess> p_quarles: no option
[07:33] <maco> ActionParsnip: same as xmonad's default then. any way to remap it to super, like in xmonad?
[07:33] <ActionParsnip> maco: e.g.   Mod1 F1 :exec firefox
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Why would your grandmother be setting up her own keybindings?
[07:33] <ActionParsnip> maco: would set Alt+F1 to run firefox
[07:33] <maco> i cant imagine my grandmother touching a computer, let alone configuring one
[07:34] <DaSkreech> and in anycase it uses the same KDe shortcut keys as any other KDE app If you can set up Ctrl+S in kate you can setup a Kwin plugin
[07:34] <maco> i mean, she's smart not to touch her son's computer because....ewwww....lysol that thing first
[07:34] <noaXess> is there any site to paste screenshots?
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Your dad still eats the keyboard? :)
[07:34] <Azzco> Is there any way to disable the change of colours on gtk apps? I've got a dark colour scheme, and when I start gtk apps I can hardly read anything..
[07:34] <DaSkreech> imageshack.us
[07:34] <ActionParsnip> maco: my grandad disconnects ALL external cables if his stuff doesnt work, its genius
[07:35] <DaSkreech> noaXess: Use the pastebin plasmoid it will do it automatically for you
[07:35] <maco> DaSkreech: my uncle fills his compuer with all sorts of nasty things that make me wonder what's on the kbd
[07:35] <Azzco> noaXess: imagebin.ca
[07:35] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: come on... u know what i'm getting it.. the plugins configuration is not very usable for .. say.. a first time user of kde
[07:35] <p_quarles> Azzco: I think there's a problem with KDE force-overwriting your gtk settings
[07:35] <maco> ActionParsnip: it actually makes sense. fi you cant figure out how to get back to TV from Nintendo, just unplug the Nintendo from the TV
[07:35] <p_quarles> Azzco: I solved it by chmodding the .gtkrc file so that it couldn't write to it
[07:35] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: Which is why the defaults are sensible
[07:36] <ActionParsnip> maco: but my dad always has to go down and plugs it together and it all works so the cales are fine.
[07:36] <Azzco> p_quarles. yeah I can't find any option to disable it. I even went as far as installing gnome just top configure a application..
[07:36] <ActionParsnip> maco: my grandad is a bitmental
[07:36] <p_quarles> Azzco: or rather, I think it creates it's own file that overrides .gtkrc; that's what I chmodded
[07:36] <ActionParsnip> maco: its quite funny
[07:36] <noaXess> here is my firefox print "page setup" http://imagebin.ca/view/xafgM4.html
[07:36] <Azzco> thanks p_quarles I'll look into it.
[07:36] <p_quarles> Azzco: to change the theme, all you need is gtk-chtheme; but that won't stop kde from overriding your settings
[07:37] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: that is a position that every developer will take - remember the pidgin default window size issue? giving more power to the user is what KDE is about.. as opposed to gnome
[07:37] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: But expecting the first time user of any new desktop paradigm to "get it" the first time they are using it is ridiculous
[07:37] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: no it is not.. check out mac
[07:37] <p_quarles> Azzco: the file is ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4
[07:37] <noaXess> any idea, why i can't print in landscape format?
[07:37] <noaXess> firefox
[07:37] <noaXess> 3.0.6
[07:37] <DaSkreech> If I take someone and drop them in front of a mac and tell them to find me the proxy  for the web browser they will be lost
[07:37] <maco> SandGorgon: right. kde gives more power. which is why i can put groups in pidgin in whatever order i want while kopete forces them to be alphabetically ordered.
[07:38] <p_quarles> Azzco: I did sudo chmod 400 .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 && sudo chown root:root .gtkrc-2.0-kde4
[07:38] <p_quarles> Azzco: kind of a hack, but it works
[07:38] <maco> DaSkreech: im not a first time to mac, but id be lost too
[07:38] <ActionParsnip> maco: i order them by account
[07:38] <maco> ActionParsnip: youve found a way to reorganize?
[07:38] <SandGorgon> maco: great usage of one app does not equate unusability in another - I think KDE is great : usability definitely needs polish
[07:39] <ActionParsnip> maco: buddies -> sort
[07:39] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: Point still remains that you are talking about app usage for someone new to a desktop paradigm
[07:39] <DaSkreech> In anycase It's not hard to learn or figure out
[07:40] <DaSkreech> and lucky in the case of kwin fluff they can't break anything beyond a driver lockup
[07:40] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: Glad to see the interest though :)
[07:40] <DaSkreech> #kde-usabilty is a neat place to hang out
[07:40] <Azzco> p_quarles, when is that file change? I tried changing to a bright colour scheme but no change to the gtk app colour yet.
[07:40] <maco> ActionParsnip: i dont see a buddies menu in kopete
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Ok have to wake up in two hours
[07:41] <DaSkreech> wait
[07:41] <DaSkreech>  4 hours
[07:41] <ActionParsnip> maco:  i use pidgin
[07:42] <p_quarles> Azzco: no, getting ahead of yourself
[07:42] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: yes.. and I stand by it.. there are numerous examples - for e.g. look at this bug (KDE bug 182269). lower the threshold for configurability - it is easy to do that
[07:42] <maco> ActionParsnip: oh. ok. i thoguht you were saying it was possible to make kopete do what i want instead of what it wants.
[07:42] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: jump in and help SVN accounts aren't hard to get
[07:42] <p_quarles> Azzco: the file I'm talking about is how kde overrides the settings in .gtkrc-2.0
[07:42] <ActionParsnip> maco: i dont use it so i cant advise really
[07:43] <p_quarles> you can change .gtkrc-2.0 manually or with gtk-chtheme, but first you need to disable kde from overriding your settings
[07:43] <p_quarles> if you delete that file, kde (for some reason) will create it again
[07:43] <Azzco> Ahh sorry. thought it wouldn't change the file just make gtk apps look on the kde override.
[07:45] <Azzco> p_quarles, sorry if I'm a bother. I'm just not used to working with gtk apps at all. and this is probably the first time in several months that I've launched a gtk app.
[07:46] <noaXess> have found a anser on my firefox print landscape function.. but not a really solution.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125691
[07:50] <p_quarles> Azzco: no bother, I'm just telling you my solution; disable the file that kde uses to override gtk settings, and then you'll be able to use other applications to change those settings as normal
[07:50] <D4ywalk3r> guten tag
[07:51] <Azzco> p_quarles, it seems that the application I'm trying to use is not a gtk-2.0 application (teamspeak), probably a gtk-1.2 or something and I can't find any configurations for that. :S
[07:54] <p_quarles> no, I  don't believe it is
[07:54] <p_quarles> it doesn't have any gtk dependeencies, , at least
[07:56] <Azzco> p_quarles, well thanks for the help so far. gtk apps have a default bright colour scheme now. :)
[07:57] <p_quarles> Azzco: yeah, just as I thought, teamspeak 2 for Linux just uses the X widgets for the UI; and yes, it's ugly as sin
[07:58] <p_quarles> Azzco: the place to change colors and so on would be in .Xdefaults, though I'm afraid I can't be much help with that
[07:59] <Azzco> p_quarles, at least I know where to look now. :D great thanks for the help
[08:01] <Exilant> Hi, I'm trying to write a python plasmoid in jaunty(kde 4.2), however, with the examples from the kde tech-base i always get errors, namely the "from PyKDE4 import plasmascript" fails. (python-plasma is installed), any ideas?
[08:02] <Mamarok> Exilant: I'd ask that in #kubuntu-devel as it goes beyond user support
[08:02] <Exilant> Mamarok: ok, will do
[08:19] <duffyd> hi, my new 8.10 kubuntu install never brings up the logon prompt
[08:19] <duffyd> I get the wallpaper but that's it
[08:19] <duffyd> my graphics card is a mobility radeon hd 3400
[08:19] <duffyd> I've installed the latest driver from the ati site
[08:19] <duffyd> but still nothing
[08:20] <duffyd> Xorg.log and syslog don't reveal too much
[08:20] <duffyd> just some messages re. glx that possibly are related
[08:20] <duffyd> anyone got any tips?
[08:21] <duffyd> I'm getting fairly desperate here :(
[08:22] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: if you crate a new user in recovery root console does that user log in ok?
[08:22] <Exilant> i guess my problem earlier on is, too many pythons installed
[08:23] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: I'll try that thanks
[08:23] <Exilant> is that due to a weird update-path, or does any jaunty contain 2.5,2.6 and 3.0?
[08:24] <ForgeAus> jaunty is the codename of intrepids successor?...
[08:24] <Exilant> yes
[08:25] <ForgeAus>  what is a jackalope?
[08:25] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: actually I just realised it doesn't even get to the logon prompt so can't do anything
[08:25] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: just sits on the wallpaper
[08:26] <ForgeAus> eek! a fictional rabbit?...
[08:26] <CQ> hello, I have a kubuntu installation where teh KDE bar at the bottom isn't showing up any more...any ideas? Interpid, latest updates...
[08:26] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: is this a fresh install?
[08:26] <duffyd> upgrade
[08:27] <Exilant> ForgeAus: in keeping with ubuntus tradition, a rather obscure animal
[08:27] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: via the web or via cd?
[08:28] <duffyd> web
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: ok, do you have autologin enabled?
[08:28] <duffyd> no
[08:29] <CQ> is there any way to get the window bar back?
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> CQ: do you mean at the bottom of the screen or the top of ap windows?
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: strange
[08:29] <CQ> ActionParsnip: at teh bottom of the screen, with teh K symbol etc.
[08:29] <CQ> window manager works fine
[08:30] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: yeah :(
[08:30] <ActionParsnip> CQ: press alt+f2 and type plasma and hit enter
[08:30] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: i think its related to my graphics card
[08:30] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: I've tried disabling the glx module but still no go
[08:30] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: does the login screen work ok if you run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  from recovery mode root console
[08:31] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: I did try that earlier and it didn't fix it but I'll try again
[08:31] <CQ> ActionParsnip: it's running... it's showing the desktop widget, just no bar at the bottom... no clue...
[08:33] <ActionParsnip> CQ: if you run: killall plasma; mv ~/kde4/share/config/plasmarc ~/kde4/share/config/plasmarc_old; plasma &
[08:33] <ActionParsnip> CQ: you will get a fresh default config
[08:33] <CQ> ActionParsnip: ok
[08:33] <ActionParsnip> CQ: if you still get nothing you can rename back
[08:34] <derek> Can I just say that pfsense rocks? :)
[08:34] <derek> very happy with this firewall.
[08:35] <CQ> ActionParsnip: I'm still on kde 3 ...
[08:35] <CQ> two rc files here
[08:36] <ActionParsnip> CQ: ahh, kde 3 its called kicker
[08:41] <ForgeAus> apparently Jaunty makes for a pretty good stable Alpha so I've been seeing from browsing the few entries I found about it...
[08:42] <CQ> ActionParsnip: ok, it's back...
[08:43] <CQ> ForgeAus: it's bumpy but usable, I've hat it on my laptop for a month
[08:43] <duffyd> ugh the laptop is crawling
[08:43] <duffyd> seems to be something that sucks up all the memory after it boots
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> CQ: i'd reboot now, just to make sure it come back up after a cold boot
[08:43]  * duffyd wishes i didn't upgrade to intrepid :(
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: you fixed something that wasnt broken
[08:44] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: exactly
[08:44] <duffyd> I'd held off on the upgrade for ages and thought I'd given it enough time
[08:44] <duffyd> boy was I wrong
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> silly
[08:44] <duffyd> yup
[08:44] <duffyd> s'pose I've still got the downgrade option
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> jaunty is out soon. you could just hang tough a while and do a clean install
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> !downgrade
[08:45] <duffyd> funny thing is, according to this vaioubuntu.wordpress.com, it should work
[08:45] <duffyd> I've got exactly the same modeled laptop
[08:45] <duffyd> yay
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: well after youo boot, run top
[08:47] <duffyd> seems to be the kdm-greeter
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: you will need to resetup video drivers as you now have a new kernel
[08:47] <duffyd> just sits there around 100%
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> kill it dead
[08:47] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: really but don't I need it?
[08:47] <wartalker> knetworkmanager not dock in tray, just like a normal widget, why
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: you arent uninstalling it, just making it not run right now
[08:48] <duffyd> ok
[08:48] <duffyd> isn't that what controls logging on?
[08:48] <duffyd> or at least presents the dialog
[08:48] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: the worst that will happen is you need to reboot
[08:48] <duffyd> yeah
[08:48] <duffyd> can't be any worse than the crud I've got currently
[08:49] <duffyd> I thought using the ati supplied driver would help things
[08:49] <duffyd> as its the latest driver
[08:50] <ActionParsnip> you may need to reinstall for the new kernel
[08:51] <duffyd> I have
[08:51] <duffyd> in fact I only installed for this kernel
[08:51] <duffyd> wow now I'm getting some funky graphics
[08:51] <duffyd> all distorted
[08:51] <duffyd> that's new
[08:51] <duffyd> really messed up
[08:52] <duffyd> that was after I did the dpkg-reconfigure
[08:52] <duffyd> looks like it didn't like that
[08:52] <maco> dpkg-reconfigure on...what?
[08:52] <duffyd> xserver-xorg
[08:52] <maco> that doesnt do anything
[08:53] <maco> just configures the keyboard
[08:53] <duffyd> well it removes the driver doesn't it?
[08:53] <duffyd> I mean i had a fglrx driver in there before
[08:53] <maco> i think feisty was the last release where it could configure your graphics
[08:53] <maco> no
[08:53] <duffyd> now I don't
[08:53] <duffyd> so its done something
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:53] <maco> it usually says its going to backup your xorg.conf
[08:53] <maco> *sigh*
[08:53] <duffyd> yup that's what I did
[08:53] <duffyd> it did
[08:53] <duffyd> and I backed it up anyway
[08:53] <duffyd> obviously ;)
[08:53] <mavokas> Algum brasileiro?
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: that will set xorg.cof to failsafe and backup your old file, the drier will still be on the system
[08:53] <maco> seriously, that hasnt edited xorg.conf since feisty. it backs it up and then exits without changing it.
[08:54] <maco> it used to let you pick drivers and stuff
[08:54] <maco> is the xorg.conf really needed for graphics still?
[08:54] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: good man, seems backup is a rare thing here and folks come in moaning they were resizing a partition and lost their data
[08:54] <ActionParsnip> maco: it can be used for all the original stuff
[08:54] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: well I'm a developer by trade so got into the habit
[08:54] <ActionParsnip> maco: if yo populate it it willoverride hal
[08:55] <maco> ActionParsnip: it *can* but it doesn't *need* to be does it?
[08:55] <duffyd> which is what it has been used for
[08:55] <maco> mine was blank...completely blank
[08:55] <duffyd> got a fglrx device defined in there
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: tell that to nub user who lost his mp3s :D
[08:55] <duffyd> which is what was setting the driver before
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> maco: strange
[08:55] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: :)
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: i just give them the recover factoid and say "no backup, then your data is disposable"
[08:55] <maco> ActionParsnip: deleting the xorg.conf should have no effect whatsoever on your system if autodetect is working correctly. if its not working correctly...that sounds like a bug to me
[08:55] <duffyd> ok back to normal graphics now
[08:56] <duffyd> after copying back the xorg.conf
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> maco: sounds like hal is handling the whole show
[08:56] <maco> ActionParsnip: exactly
[08:56] <duffyd> maco: tell that to the ati driver installer
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> maco: no bad thing
[08:56] <maco> duffyd: apparently ati is stupid then
[08:56] <duffyd> maco: which updated xorg.conf
[08:56] <duffyd> maco: maybe :)
[08:56] <maco> well then i think we've known that ati was stupid as regards linux for a few years
[08:56] <maco> nvidia too
[08:56] <duffyd> lol
[08:57] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: killing kdm-greet
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> nvidia has always rocked imho
[08:57] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: just comes back
[08:57] <duffyd> at 100%
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: then maybe it needs reinstalling or there is a bug, have a web browse see hat you can dig up
[08:58] <duffyd> I'll try. i did do some searching prior but didn't reveal anything
[08:59] <duffyd> maybe search was too specific
[08:59]  * duffyd goes to google
[08:59] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: try: sudo kill -9 `pidof kdm-greet`
[08:59] <duffyd> k, I was using -7
[08:59]  * ActionParsnip hands duffyd the bigest hammer
[08:59] <duffyd> will try that
[08:59] <duffyd> :)
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> if the command fails and my syntax suck get the pid of the process and do the rest
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> when i nod my head, you hit it
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> hehe
[09:01] <duffyd> :)
[09:01] <duffyd> just comes back
[09:01] <duffyd> it likes punishment
[09:03] <duffyd> latest messages in /var/log/messages are related to fglrx
[09:03] <duffyd> 'reserved FB block' or something
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> duffyd: then reboot
[09:03] <duffyd> k
[09:03] <duffyd> fortunately I've got 2 laptops so can stay in here between boots :)
[09:04] <ActionParsnip> is the process kdmgreet or kdm-greet?
[09:04] <ActionParsnip> or kdm_greet
[09:05] <duffyd> kdm_greet
[09:07] <duffyd> last message in kdm.log: fglrx(0): Unknown EDID version 0
[09:07] <duffyd> in Xorg.0.log: AIGLX; Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch
[09:08] <X9nLinuxL> How do I get Kmail to show up in the menu.  Installed hardy on a mac a couple days ago and kmail is now running... but won't show up in the menu
[09:08] <X9nLinuxL> correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem it should show up in the 'Internet' list
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> X9nLinuxL: do you mean the k menu (like windows start menu)
[09:09] <CQ_> if I want to make regular database backups (daily, every secord day, or so) I woudl probably use anacron, where shoudl those backups be stored? The anacron runs as root, should I make a /var/backup dir or something liek that, or where shoudl it go inthe FS logic?
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> X9nLinuxL: launch kmenuedit and add it wherever you like
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> !backup | CQ_
[09:10] <X9nLinuxL> ActionParsnip: Ok, will give that a try. (Heathen / rookie here on most of this stuff)
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> CQ_: backing up to a different physical disk to the one the databases are on is preferable
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> X9nLinuxL: np man, you'll get there
[09:11] <CQ_> ActionParsnip: this is not a HOW question, it's a WHERE question... I will back it up to teh same disk, which is then mirrored externally.
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> CQ_: then do it wherever you choose
[09:12] <CQ_> i.e. do you dump it into a user die and chown it, do you dump it in /usr/local/backup, or in say /var/backup... whis is why I asked about the Fielsystem logic
[09:12] <CQ_> user dir
[09:13] <ActionParsnip> CQ_: as long as it sings with your mirroring process it doesnt matter, just wherever you have space
[09:15] <duffyd> I give
[09:15] <duffyd> ActionParsnip: thanks gotta hit the hay
[09:15] <duffyd> cu
[09:17] <X9nLinuxL> ActionParsnip: Are you ready for this: The info shows that kmenuedit has been installed, but it doesn't show up either.  I'm not up to speed on using the console to do this stuff either.
[09:17] <ActionParsnip> X9nLinuxL: launch kmenuedit from alt+f2
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> X9nLinuxL: you can then organise your kmenu as you like
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> X9nLinuxL: you can also add an entry for kmail
[09:23] <X9nLinuxL> ActionParsnip: The different stuff shows commands to be entered.  How is that supposed to be done?
[09:23] <ForgeAus> still 200 packages left!
[09:23] <ForgeAus> before the big u/g... lets hope theres enough space on the drive to install it all!... lol
[09:24] <ForgeAus> (its actually supposed to end out less data afterwards according to adept!...
[09:24] <ActionParsnip> X9nLinuxL: add a new entry where you wish then fill in the fields, the important on is the command which will no doubt be /usr/bin/kmail
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> X9nLinuxL: the rest can say whatever you like
[09:27] <X9nLinuxL> ActionParsnip: ok I'm stupid in front of god and everybody... didn't realize the icons could be clicked for all kinds of info
[09:28] <X9nLinuxL> * tucking tail between legs and going off to hide a few minutes
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> X9nLinuxL: every day is a school day
[09:40] <X9nLinuxL> ActionParsnip    Is kmenuedit considered more a utility?  (As opposed to perhaps a system software)
[09:42] <amine27> Hello, can I install Qt 4.5 on intrepid ?
[09:43] <mathieu_> bonjour, j'ai un souci avec keep voici le message d'erreur: http://pastebin.com/m494fa079
[09:44] <X9nLinuxL> ActionParsnip: Completed doing that now.  Thank you, that worked.
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> X9nLinuxL: np man
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> X9nLinuxL: its a program for editig your own k menu, read that as you will
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> !fr | mathieu_
[09:45] <X9nLinuxL> ActionParsnip: Ok thanks.  I guess that part isn't really rocket science  :P
[09:45] <mathieu_> ActionParsnip: il n'y a pas de canal kubuntu en français !
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> mathieu_: /j #ubuntu-fr
[09:46] <mathieu_> KUBUNTU !
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> mathieu_: kubuntu = ubuntu + kde
[09:47] <ForgeAus> yay only 40 or so packages to go!
[09:47] <ForgeAus> actually Kubuntu = Ubuntu - gnome + kde
[09:47] <Andry_WorkZ> Kubuntu 8.04.2 released! --> wtf?
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: what are you installing?
[09:47] <ForgeAus> (unless you mean ubuntu minimal)
[09:47] <ForgeAus> AP, Intrepid diskt-upgrade
[09:47] <ForgeAus> grr dist... no k
[09:48] <amine27> can any one tell how to install Qt 4.5 on intrepid ?
[09:49] <Tm_T> amine27: no user friendly way yet, wait for announcements in www.kubuntu.org
[09:49] <hw_> How/Where can I increase the mouse wheel speed?
[09:49] <ForgeAus> uh amine you may need to add a repostiory like backports, either that or it may not be available for intrepid...
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> amine27: isnt qt 4.3 /4.4 not working for you?
[09:50] <amine27> thank you Tm_T
[09:50] <amine27> no it work fine, just i like to upgrade
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> amine27: you are fixing something thats not broken
[09:51] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: untrue
[09:51] <ForgeAus> AP I think you misunderstood he's not fixing anything, he just wants to stay, "on the ball" so to speak
[09:51] <ForgeAus> you know keeping up with the Jonses?
[09:52] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: Qt 4.5 has much of improvements, especially with network(webkit) and performance (atleast here)
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: if what is installed works, why install something thats even slightly potentially not going to work?
[09:52] <harolddong> yeah I really want the webkit improvements
[09:52] <harolddong> also its supposed to be gobs faster
[09:53] <amine27> is there prorblems with plasma on qt4.5 ?
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> its fun to install stuff like that but installing it just because its newer i find a bad mindset
[09:54] <ForgeAus> amine I'm not sure plasma is all that stable pre qt4.5 lol!
[09:56] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: there's should be no any reason why it shouldn't work
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: is it released now?
[09:56] <amine27> but see that http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=906
[09:56] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: is
[09:56] <Tm_T> amine27: not with development version of plasma
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: i dont use plasma :)
[09:57] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: doesn't mean you wouldn't benefit using Qt 4.5 though
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> tru as i use kde apps
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: is there a repo you know of or a bunch of debs i can pull down??
[10:00] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: not that I know, I build all that jazz myself here
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> makes sense
[10:00] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: and I kinda doubt there will be one in Intrepid soon anyway
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> well jaunty is looming
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> next month,  i'll hang
[10:01] <hw_> !mousewheel
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> i've pubs and gigs to go to :)
[10:01] <ForgeAus> while its alpha don't bother...
[10:01] <hw_> !wheelmouse
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> !mouse
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> !find mouse
[10:07] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: Qt4.5 && webkit == 100 % ACID3
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> webkit?
[10:08] <amine27> note that q4.5 is available for jaunty
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> !info webkit
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> !info webkit
[10:08] <amine27> no it exist
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> amine27: i'll wait till a month after release for it then
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> i'm in no hurry
[10:09] <ForgeAus> AP apparently some ppl are tho
[10:09] <amine27> the problem that I develot with it :)
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: indeed, thats their call
[10:09] <ForgeAus> is firefox QT-friendly yet?
[10:09] <ForgeAus> (I heard there was a QT-firefox project...
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> is firefox not bundled with all that gnome rubbish yet?
[10:10] <ForgeAus> I don't know, firefox probably assumes gnome... I gather
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> yeah it does ant it pulls in a whole tonne of guff
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> hugely annoying
[10:11] <ForgeAus> Gentoo pplz have for a long time bound Firefox to QT instead of GTK
[10:11] <ForgeAus> its harder to do with a binary dist like ubuntu...
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> not used ffox on gentoo, ive always used gentoo if the system is to be headless
[10:12] <ForgeAus> you need to either separate stuff into smaller packages, and theres little OR dependancies being used... or you plonk both gnome and KDE support in the same (or base) package so ppl have bloat they don't need
[10:12] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: webkit is web rendering engine based on Khtml and used in Apple, Nokia and so on products
[10:12] <Apple_Cat>  Hi, has has there been an update to add hiding in the taskbar ?
[10:13] <Tm_T> Apple_Cat: what KDE version you're at?
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: well whatever i got now is nice. shows pages and everything
[10:13] <Apple_Cat> 4.01 I think
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: no idea what it is like
[10:13] <ForgeAus> actually Apple worked alot on webkit along with konqui devels, etc... but looks like Apple are calling their engine something else nowerdays (turbo or sometihng?.. I forgot)
[10:13] <ForgeAus> Nitro.. maybe thats it, sounds more likely from memory... I wonder what its relationship with webkit is tho...
[10:14] <Tm_T> Apple_Cat: in Hardy?
[10:14] <Apple_Cat> no, 8.10
[10:15] <ForgeAus> heeh intrepid is goina remove all my *-kde4's and replace my kde3 with kde4... oh well
[10:15] <ForgeAus> bye bye kde3 :(
[10:16] <Apple_Cat> I'm about to reinstall and I'm not sure if I want to keep 8.10
[10:16] <ForgeAus> I knew it would happen...
[10:17] <Apple_Cat> I think I'll stick with 8.04, I'm still peeved that I thought upgrading would fix all my non existing problems
[10:18] <Tm_T> Apple_Cat: hmm, see http://www.kubuntu.org/
[10:19] <Apple_Cat> I was just looking through there, but couldn't find anything on hiding options for the taskbar
[10:20] <Tm_T> Apple_Cat: well, it's in newer KDE releases anyway
[10:26] <mni> Hi all
[10:26] <mni> just mail to all and say thanks for making KUBUNTU great
[10:26] <ForgeAus> mni heres hoping it gets Greater :)
[10:26] <mni> We have received 500 KUBUNTU CDS from kubuntu
[10:27] <mni> to distribute during or FOSS conference in Nigeria
[10:27] <mni> from 6th - 9th march 09
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> mni: you could burn some copies too to make more
[10:28] <mni> yes we have done so
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> good :)
[10:28] <mni> tnx
[10:33] <Takahani> Hi all, for somewhat reason, kopete notification keep buggin me with the same message "Notification from messager Kopete" "Régis says "balabalab" how can I flush this  notification qeuue message ?  On Kubuntu 8.10, kde 4.2 package, kopete 0.70 and the account is on msn
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> Takahani: have you tried closing kopete completely down then rerunning it
[10:37] <Takahani> ActionParsnip: trying right now, but the message is still here
[10:37] <Takahani> ActionParnsip: usually i reboot ...
[10:37] <Takahani> ActionParnsip: which is kind of stupid
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> Takahani: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kopete-bugs/2009-February/004293.html
[10:38] <Takahani> ActionParsnip: Thxs
[10:39] <Takahani> Agree with the guy :D
[10:42] <Guest93236> how can I deactivate the fullscreen on dolphin?? I can see any shortcut o menu to do that
[10:43] <Guest93236> * I cann't see
[10:44] <Exilant> try f11
[10:45] <Guest93236> doesn't work
[10:45] <Apple_Cat> And if that doesn't work, Alt+F3 will bring up a menu where you can close it, move it or resize it
[10:46] <Guest93236> that the bigest problem.. I cann't move it, or resize it or anything because is in fullscreen mode
[10:47] <Apple_Cat> You could try to just close it and then open another -- Alt + F4
[10:47] <Apple_Cat> make sure it's selected though
[10:48] <Guest93236> I try that already.... but the program start full screen automatically..
[10:48] <Guest93236> I hate this problems in linux
[10:49] <Guest93236> also, in the help, is any indication how to activate or deactivate this full screen mode
[10:49] <Apple_Cat> Ok, press Alt+F3 on this window, then click on the configure window behaviour button
[10:50] <Apple_Cat> Go to the Window-Specific Tab
[10:50] <Apple_Cat> And deleate the settings for Dolphin
[10:51] <Apple_Cat> Or alternatively modify them if you think you know what to look for
[10:52] <Guest93236> I got it.. right click upon the program in the task manager, advances and there is "Fullscreen mode"
[10:52] <Guest93236> :)
[10:52] <mario_> venezuela
[10:53] <Guest93236> any way thanks  Apple_Cat
[10:54] <Apple_Cat> No problem, sorry I couldn't be of more use ^___^
[10:54] <Apple_Cat> Alt+F3 will bring that same menu up
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> isnt F11 to toggle fullscreen?
[10:55] <Exilant> in konqui, yes
[10:55] <Guest93236> I know.. the problem is doesn't work when is in full screen.. if I press ALT-F3 upon other programas the menu shows up..
[10:55] <Exilant> in dolphin, it hides some panel
[10:56] <Guest93236> any way.. every day a bit more of linux :)
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> evry day is a school day
[10:57] <Guest93236> considering you attention right now.. any of you use pdflatex? with kile perphaps
[10:57] <Guest93236> specifically with inverse/forward search
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> no, sorry
[10:58] <Guest93236> right now I can only do that for latex/dvi but not for pdflatex/pdf
[10:59] <ForgeAus> hmmm why's it d/ling nvidia-cg-toolkit when I don't have an nvidia card?
[11:06] <ForgeAus> hmm....
[11:06] <Apple_Cat> Nvidia hackers
[11:44] <StR|Sangreal> hi
[11:45] <StR|Sangreal> pls i need an urgent attendance
[11:45] <StR|Sangreal> i have been using gnome for a while
[11:45] <StR|Sangreal> on kubuntu intrepid
[11:45] <Elonetaru> hi
[11:45] <StR|Sangreal> now when i start kde, plasma crashes
[11:46] <Elonetaru> T,T
[11:46] <StR|Sangreal> what shall i do?
[11:46] <jojoto> hola copmo
[11:46] <jojoto> como me les va==+ç
[11:46] <jojoto> buenos dias
[11:47] <StR|Sangreal> buenos dias
[11:47] <jojoto> arepa con mantequilla
[11:47] <Elonetaru> << newbie
[11:47] <StR|Sangreal> !es | jojoto
[11:47] <Elonetaru> reinstall plasma maybe?
[11:47] <Tm_T> StR|Sangreal: hmmm, what KDE version?
[11:47] <StR|Sangreal> 4.2
[11:48] <Tm_T> StR|Sangreal: can you install related -dbg packages and save the trace?
[11:48] <StR|Sangreal> i dont understand what you mean
[11:48] <StR|Sangreal> could explain in detail
[11:49] <StR|Sangreal> i have been using kde with no problems... then i installed gnome, no problems too
[11:49] <StR|Sangreal> then have been using gnome for a while and now plasma reports crashes
[11:49] <StR|Sangreal> and folder view doesnt display folder content
[11:50] <Tm_T> StR|Sangreal: please install these packages: kdebase-workspace-dbg kdebase-dbg kdelibs-dbg
[11:50] <StR|Sangreal> and maybe many other problems i dont see yet
[11:51] <Tm_T> StR|Sangreal: then restart your KDE session and when crash happens, save and pastebin the results from crash dialog
[11:52] <StR|Sangreal> Nasledovné balíky majú nesplnené závislosti:
[11:52] <StR|Sangreal>   kdebase-dbg: Závisí na: kdebase-runtime-dbg ale sa nebude inštalovať
[11:52] <StR|Sangreal>   kdebase-workspace-dbg:
[11:52] <StR|Sangreal> (= invalid dependancies)
[11:53] <Tm_T> StR|Sangreal: erm, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[11:54] <ForgeAus> hmmm different
[11:58] <StR|Sangreal> i will reboot and pray to do well
[11:58] <StR|Sangreal> seems quite stable right now
[11:59] <Tm_T> StR|Sangreal: erm, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[12:00] <StR|Sangreal> http://paste2.org/p/158063
[12:02] <Tm_T> StR|Sangreal: please enable backports and disable kubuntu-experimental unless you're willing to suffer from incoming bugs.
[12:02] <Tm_T> bah
[12:07] <StR|Sangreal> thanks for attendance, i ak ok now...
[12:09] <Tm_T> 1402.17 < Tm_T> StR|Sangreal: please enable backports and disable kubuntu-experimental unless you're willing to suffer from incoming bugs.
[12:10] <StR|Sangreal> hmm what sort of backports?
[12:10] <StR|Sangreal> i dont understand this term
[12:12] <Tm_T> StR|Sangreal: in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, there is line(s) containing "intrepid-backports"
[12:12] <StR|Sangreal> is there a frontend solution to this?
[12:12] <Tm_T> StR|Sangreal: is, see kubuntu.org announcements
[12:13] <StR|Sangreal> nvm i can edit in console as well
[12:13] <StR|Sangreal> so what shall i do with the line or what?
[12:14] <Tm_T> StR|Sangreal: you need to remove # from beginning of those lines and add # to kubuntu-experimental lines
[12:14] <StR|Sangreal> ok i have uncommented that
[12:14] <StR|Sangreal> how will it verse?
[12:14] <Tm_T> verse?
[12:15] <StR|Sangreal> hmm i mean what effect will it have?
[12:15] <Tm_T> StR|Sangreal: you will get updates for KDE 4.2 (and more)
[12:16] <StR|Sangreal> ok, thanks :)
[12:16] <Tm_T> np
[12:28] <gorgonzola> hello, i can't configure samba shares with system settings. googling, i found this bugreport in launchpad (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/276715) that points to this other bug report in samba-bugs (https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5928), but i woudn't know how to implement the fix in my kubuntu box without messing with my upgrade path. any help would be appreciated...
[12:28] <altrortla> #openoffice
[12:28] <gorgonzola> in other words: does anyone here have a working samba module in system settings under intrepid?
[12:28] <gorgonzola> and if so, how did you do it?
[12:44] <s007> someone speak french?!
[12:44] <s007> hi everybody
[12:45] <martijn81> !fr
[12:45] <s007> thk u
[12:46] <s007> !fr
[12:47] <s007> #ubuntu-fr
[13:09] <vbgunz> is there a way, to *freeze* what I am doing, reboot into a dual boot installation, do some work, return and *unfreeze* short of sessions? as if I suspended it?
[13:09] <vbgunz> unfortunately I cannot suspend to disk :(
[13:30] <afeijo> anyone can help me to create a shell file?
[13:32] <afeijo> I need to set a loop to create N new folders
[13:32] <Pici> afeijo: The folks in #bash can probably help better than we can :)
[13:32] <afeijo> thanks pici !
[13:40] <vishesh_> How do I configure Kate so that there is only one instance ... For Example : If I open a file A.cpp it opens and then if I open B.cpp it gets added to the list of open files and new Kate Window is not created.
[13:46] <afeijo> I have a folder with 400 subfolders all numerated (1,2,3,...) how can I find the last one?
[13:48] <anouar> salut a tous
[13:49] <anouar> svp je veux un logiciel pour convertir les videos vers MP4
[13:51] <Pici> !fr
[13:52] <BluesKaj> anouar, ffmpeg
[13:54] <XPS_M1330> how can I make openoffice use qt4 instead of gtk ?
[13:56] <anouar_> hey everybody
[13:56] <siegie> XPS_M1330: you can only make it use qt3, gtk, or openoffice default
[13:57] <anouar_> please i need a program to convert videos to MP4
[13:57] <el_> hi
[13:57] <XPS_M1330> siegie: how can I change that?
[13:57] <canen> hello. i have a strage issue. when ever i restart kubunt X crash
[13:57] <siegie> for integration in kde4, I use gtk with a oxygen like gtk theme
[13:57] <canen> the logs don't provide any useful information
[13:58] <siegie> XPS_M1330:  install openoffice.org-kde
[13:58] <XPS_M1330> it's already installed...
[13:58] <canen> i am using an ATI card. anyone familiar with this issue?
[13:58] <siegie> XPS_M1330: remove the gtk package
[13:58] <siegie> XPS_M1330: openoffice.org-gtk
[13:59] <BluesKaj> siegie, XPS_M1330, what about open-office.org-kde ?
[13:59] <XPS_M1330> right! I should have thought of that
[13:59] <anouar_> please somebody help me
[13:59] <anouar_> please i need a program to convert videos to MP4
[13:59] <bening_> hi
[13:59]  * BluesKaj was searching , hence the duplication :)
[13:59] <siegie> BluesKaj: ?
[14:00] <XPS_M1330> anouar_: there's gotta be an mencoder frontend...
[14:00] <BluesKaj> anouar_, try ffmpeg
[14:00] <anouar_> ok thanks
[14:01] <canen> anouar_: have u looked at handbrake?
[14:01] <canen> http://handbrake.fr/
[14:01] <siegie> XPS_M1330: command line is always beter :)
[14:01] <anouar_> ok i appreciate
[14:01] <XPS_M1330> can't adept tell how much size all the changes will use...
[14:02] <canen> anyone on that X11 error?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> canen, I could never get handbrake to launch ...weanted to try it but it's always broken on my setup ...dunno why
[14:02] <vishesh_> How do I configure Kate so that there is only one instance ... For Example : If I open a file A.cpp it opens and then if I open B.cpp it gets added to the list of open files and new Kate Window is not created. Is there any way I can do this ?
[14:02] <canen> never used it myself. just know of it
[14:03] <canen> vishesh_: i think you can call kate with kate -s and it will use the existing session
[14:03] <chris-rc1> hi
[14:04] <chris-rc1> i get the following message when i start kaffeine: "xine_part.desktop not found in search path"
[14:04] <canen> vishesh_: make that kate -s
[14:04] <canen> *kate -u
[14:04] <chris-rc1> can anybody tell where/how to set the search path??
[14:05] <canen> vishesh_: there is a way to make kate -u the defualt but i don't remember how at the moment
[14:05] <COm_BOY> any body working on SNAF exam of CCSP
[14:08] <vishesh_> canem : -s doesn't work but -u works perfectly ... Thanks ... I'll find a way to make it the default.
[14:08] <canen> vishesh_: no problem
[14:09] <Elone> vishesh_: tell me if you find that ~ i would like to set that too ^^
[14:11] <canen> try using kmenuedit and changing the command for kate to kate -u %U
[14:15] <chris1234> hi
[14:16] <chris1234> sb using kaffeine??
[14:24] <Elone> canen:  wow that will be many extensions to edit for Kate.... and easiler way
[14:24] <Elone> any*
[14:24] <canen> Elone: what?
[14:24] <canen> it's just one
[14:25] <canen> using kmenuedit sets the default command that is called
[14:25] <Elone> ohoh
[14:25] <canen> do you mean setting it per filetype?
[14:25] <chris1234> nobody using kaffeine?
[14:26] <Elone> nvm ^^
[14:27] <Elone> i work except there is always an error box popped then the file opened
[14:27] <Exilant> chris1234: just ask your question
[14:28] <Elone> KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/kate'
[14:28] <canen> Elone: yeah, i noticed that
[14:28] <canen> the file still opens though
[14:28] <canen> maybe need to file a bug report
[14:28] <chris1234> kaffeine cannot find 'xine_part.desktop' since the last update. does anybody know why this is or how the set the path?
[14:29] <vishesh_> Elone, canen : I found a way, but it's not perfect. Right click on the file and choose properties ... then click on the edit file type button. There select kate and choose edit ... then under the application tab change the command from "kate " to "kate -u ". This method works but it gives an error everytime you open a file ... it say "Could not open /usr/dev/kate", but the file gets added to the already existing kate session.
[14:29] <canen> vishesh_: see backlog :)
[14:29] <Elone> vishesh_:  ^^
[14:29] <vishesh_> Whats a backlog ?
[14:30] <canen> channel backlog, previous messages
[14:30] <canen> Elone and I were just discussing the same thing
[14:31] <canen> basically, use kmenuedit. it's easier. doesn't get rid of the error though
[14:31] <vishesh_> canen : I don't get what you mean. Backlog ? Channel ? ... Oh okie I'll try it out ...
[14:33] <dangaio> just out of curiosity: Kubuntu 8.10 started with the 2.6.27 kernel, correct?
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> dangaio: That is correct
[14:35] <Exilant> chris1234: noe clue, it works here (8.04)
[14:35] <kuaera> JontheEchidna: Did you notice that Qt 4.5.0 has been released on the Jaunty repos?
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> kuaera: Yeah, too bad it didn't fix the artifacts :(
[14:36] <chris1234> Exilant: do you know how to set the search path or the env variable?
[14:36] <fernando_> is on linux any translator software??
[14:37] <dangaio> Ok, so how can I get the 2.6.24 kernel to work with it?  The rtl8187 drivers really don't work much in 2.6.27.  I can barely connect to my network with a link quality of < 20 while with 2.6.24 I connect with a link quality of 98.
[14:37] <kuaera> Aye... I should restart my KDE session at least once to know for sure, but I'm getting the same thing here.
[14:37] <vbgunz> I once found a good article about per4ceived responsiveness in ubuntu. anyone know what I am talking about?
[14:37] <vbgunz> I lost the link, am googling but cannot find it :/
[14:40] <canen> vishesh_: Elone: http://forum.kde.org/forcing-kate-open-all-files-same-instance-t-7039.html
[14:41] <Exilant> chris1234: no clue
[14:41] <dangaio> vbgunz was it an article of ideas to make ubuntu perform better?
[14:42] <vbgunz> dangaio: not really. it was geared more towards linux but spoke about perceived responsiveness. had I think 2 tweaks. good article. I think I may have found it
[14:42] <dangaio> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/85/
[14:42] <diamantes4> bye
[14:42] <dangaio> that is a good one also.
[14:42] <diamantes4> #kvirc
[14:43] <vbgunz> dangaio: I think this is it -> http://rudd-o.com/en/linux-and-free-software/tales-from-responsivenessland-why-linux-feels-slow-and-how-to-fix-that
[14:43] <Elone> canen: same error that we have
[14:50] <chris1234> i use kde4 (intrepid) and there is no kbuildsycoca any more. can i get it back?
[14:51] <Tm_T> chris1234: add letter "4" at the end of the command?
[14:52] <chris1234> Tm_T: that's for kde4, right? i need to set up kde3
[14:53] <Tm_T> chris1234: there is no KDE3 in Intrepid
[14:53] <White_Pelican> unfortunately :D
[14:53] <Tm_T> White_Pelican: or fortunately, depends
[14:53] <White_Pelican> true
[14:53] <chris1234> Tm_T: actually, there is in ppa. but i do use kde4, i just wanna use kaffeine. and somehow it gets the path wrong
[14:53] <White_Pelican> depends on your opinion :)
[14:54] <slerder> Hey guys, for some reason my mic does not work in ubuntu 8.10. Is there anyway i can see if there is an app that is using it or how i could maybe fix it. When i try to make voip calls or use the sound recorder, the computer detects no sound input. yes, it is properly plugged in. Thanks
[14:54] <Tm_T> chris1234: then ask from the ppa author, it's not Kubuntu stuff
[14:55] <chris1234> Tm_T: well, it actually is the intrepid version of kaffeine, not the ppa version
[14:55] <gundam_rx78nt1> Is there a way for me to "down grade" the kernel for 8.10?
[14:55] <Tm_T> chris1234: then the ksycoca call we have in intrepid works
[14:56] <Tm_T> chris1234: or atleast should work
[14:57] <Elone> slerder: try others captures in Kmixer?
[14:58] <slerder> elone, im sorry, what?
[14:58] <vbgunz> whats the shortcut key to toggle *all* effects?
[14:59] <Tm_T> vbgunz: for me it's Alt-Shift-F12
[14:59] <chris1234> Tm_T: has there been a change in the env variables?
[14:59] <vbgunz> Tm_T: yeah, that works, where is it set?
[14:59] <Elone> slerder: in Kmix ~ show all the channel and check different Capture box and see~
[15:00] <Takahani> Anyone knows a workaround for the bug (http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182481) aka How to flush knotify message queue ?
[15:00] <Tm_T> vbgunz: I don't remember and I don't have desktop running atm
[15:00] <Tm_T> chris1234: no idea
[15:00] <vbgunz> Tm_T: thats cool, that'll work :)
[15:01] <vbgunz> my klwin is at 20% cpu usage, not sure if this is a good thing :/
[15:04] <Guest28677> hi all... How would I start gdm on display :10? I'm trying export DISPLAY=:10; /etc/init.d/gdm start
[15:04] <Guest28677> that's not working
[15:05] <vbgunz> hmmm. turning off the shofps effect drop kwins cpu usage from 20% to nothing
[15:05] <Tm_T> vbgunz: indeed, that's cpu intensive "effect" in some cases
[15:06] <sy> i want to know if we can install cd ubuntu
[15:06] <vbgunz> changing from vysnc enabled/direct rendering disabled to vice-versa (same speed gains), xorg dropped from 15% to nothing
[15:06] <vbgunz> I also enabled "texture from pixmap" Vs "shared memory"
[15:06] <vbgunz> so, kwin and xorg are no longer on the chart. sweet :)
[15:07] <Tm_T> vbgunz: direct rendering means: use GPU instead of CPU
[15:07] <sy> je savoir si on peut install le cd live d'unbuntu sur windows vista
[15:07] <Tm_T> vbgunz: kinda
[15:07] <Tm_T> !fr | sy
[15:08] <vbgunz> Tm_T: I know its better but remember getting different fps rates messing with those settings. I think I fouind the perfect setting that keeps the fps above 100 and xorg and kwin cpu down below 1% on idle...
[15:08] <sy> i have a problem with my compter
[15:32] <fernando_> somebody here use ktranslator?? because I cann't add a dictionary..
[15:35] <stefan__> hi
[15:36] <stefan__> german people ??
[15:40] <Slartibartfast> !de|stefan__
[15:40] <shadeslayer> quiet here
[15:41] <J_A_X> alright, if anyone can please try to help me with my ALSA config so that I can have audacious and firefox playing at the same time, I will praise you as my lord and saviour
[15:50] <chris1234> does sb know how i can set /usr/share/services as a kde standard dir?
[16:05] <mbazdell> interesting
[16:05] <mbazdell> anybody use Konversation?
[16:05] <mbazdell> I'm trying it out and I don't like the time stamp and nickname function.. I prefer how xchat does it
[16:07] <canen> why does apt-get run update-initramfs on a kernel i am trying to remove?
[16:12] <ubsafder> hello
[16:13] <mbazdell> hello
[16:14] <ubsafder> i know i have ekiga install as i can lunch it from a comand line but I can't any lunch icon under my K menu  ! where is it put ?
[16:14] <ubsafder> how can i find if there is any lunch button installed somewhere ?
[16:15] <mbazdell> are you running intrepid?
[16:16] <ubsafder> yes
[16:16] <ubsafder> =8.10 with all lastest updates
[16:17] <mbazdell> have you tried the search box at the top of the kmenu?
[16:17] <ubsafder> yes nothing shows up
[16:18] <mbazdell> you can do a `dpkg -c' on the package and see if it includes a menu item
[16:18] <mbazdell> otherwise you can make one yourself
[16:20] <mbazdell> that would be my recommendation
[16:22] <ubsafder> ok i am making one by hand
[16:28] <ubsafder> does anyone has a good ide for setting up the sound system the correct kmix setting so the sound can be recorded ......
[16:29] <ubsafder> the try/error is not working for me
[16:30] <mbazdell> have you tried opening the mixer, settings, configure channels
[16:30] <mbazdell> and then selecting "capture" and "input source"?
[16:31] <ubsafder> yes i did try but my systeme show plenty
[16:31] <c0p3rn1c> is there any way to get kdehelp for kmymoney working ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/118466
[16:33] <mbazdell> ubsafder: You'll have to explain your problem better
[16:34] <ubsafder> is there a tool that could help my do the select between the 4 or 5 devices kubuntu is showing me
[16:35] <mbazdell> where is it showing you?
[16:35] <ubsafder> kmix is showing me 18 chanel
[16:36] <mbazdell> c0p3rn1c: From just a quick look at that link, I don't think it's been resolved. I could be wrong because I haven't really looked into it though. You may be out of luck. Most linux applications have a copy of their help file on their website. Have you tried looking there?
[16:36] <mbazdell> ubsafder: and you don't know which one is your system's input?
[16:37] <ubsafder> no i did build this hard hardware
[16:37] <c0p3rn1c> mbazdell: yeah but my dad doesnt want to use a seperate pdf, he wants to use the internal help
[16:37] <mbazdell> c0p3rn1c: He may not have the option
[16:37] <mbazdell> be right back, need to reboot.
[16:38] <ubsafder> i am looking if there is any autodetect tool that could "listen" on these 18 device and detect if any hear sound
[16:39] <ubsafder> i am unsure of the difference between capture and capture 2
[16:42] <ubsafder> like i have digital input source and digital input source 2 that's what kmix shows
[16:44] <ubsafder> I as just looking if someone wrote tools to simplify that mess . my hardware is just a dell laptop with according to windows one sound card
[16:46] <ubsafder> anyway looks that my probleme has not been dealt with yet
[16:52] <salvia> hello, i'm trying to build route between vlan interface that is on eth interface (eth is 10.0.1.67, the vlan is 10.10.0.10) to the network that is on the eth interface.
[16:56] <OleA> howdy! I'm using the latest Kubuntu, and I have some problems using projector together with tha laptop. (Lenovo 3000V100). I'm able to get picture om the projector avter restaring X, but the image on the external screen/projector i blinking evry 5 sec
[16:57] <OleA> anybody tha have some hints on this problem?
[16:58] <mbazdell> OleA: what kind of video card does it have?
[16:58] <OleA> mbazdell:  intel mobile 945
[16:59] <OleA> 945GM
[17:00] <mbazdell> hmm
[17:00] <mbazdell> Have you tried other kernels version?
[17:01] <Exilant> OleA: maybe if you disable compositing?
[17:01] <OleA> mbazdell: no, I haven't
[17:02] <OleA> Exilant: how do I do that?
[17:06] <altrortla> hello... i got a trouble with a GUI ... this form show message form text with lower resolution... I can read what it said... I have also tryied to zoom this form .... and to reduce resolution of the screen... (but no way)
[17:06] <OleA> Exilant: do you mean changing form OpenGL to XRender?
[17:06] <Exilant> toggle-compositing plasmoid
[17:06] <altrortla> i have also an image of this problem
[17:06] <Exilant> OleA: maybe so
[17:07] <altrortla> this is what i've got .... http://picfront.de/uploaded.php?images=dARGbvmS0sn
[17:09] <OleA> It didn't help to turn of the desktop effects...
[17:10] <altrortla> on the right i have zoomed with kmag ... but the result is the same .... what sould i do?
[17:10] <altrortla> h
[17:15] <altrortla> no tips?
[17:16] <private> secretfriends.com
[17:16] <Tm_T> private: no spamming
[17:16] <altrortla> azz
[17:16] <altrortla> hello... i got a trouble with a GUI ... this form show message form text with lower resolution... I can't read what it said... I have also tryied to zoom this form .... and to reduce resolution of the screen... (but no way)....i have also an image of this problem....this is what i've got .... http://picfront.de/uploaded.php?images=dARGbvmS0sn....on the right i have zoomed with kmag ... but the result is the same .... what should i do?
[17:27] <whitedream> bsr
[17:29] <whitedream> je suis nouveau sour kubuntu, il y as t'il un site que vous me consayeriez pour un peu aprendre a men servir
[17:29] <Tm_T> !fr | whitedream
[17:29] <whitedream> sorry and thank you
[17:30] <Tm_T> whitedream: np
[17:38] <gorgonzola> hello, i can't configure samba shares with system settings. googling, i found this bugreport in launchpad (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/276715) that points to this other bug report in samba-bugs (https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5928), but i woudn't know how to implement the fix in my kubuntu box without messing with my upgrade path. any help would be appreciated...
[17:38] <gorgonzola> in other words: does anyone here have a working samba module in system settings under intrepid?
[17:38] <gorgonzola> and if so, how did you do it?
[17:43] <chris__> hello
[17:44] <chris__> can sb tell me whether kaffeine in intrepid works for them, pls?
[17:46] <goofey> chris__: you think it's possible kaffeine doesn't work and nobody's done anything about it?
[17:48] <chris__> goofey: well, it doesn't work for me. and i just updated. and since it's not part of kde4, maybe...
[17:51] <goofey> chris__: not a chance - this is a problem on your system - not global - what's not working?
[17:51] <ToreadorVampire> Hey all - Kubuntu Hardy - I am not 100% sure whether this is a Kubuntu question or a firefox question but:  I would like to register the irc:// proctocol with the installed xchat application, so that I can click on irc:// links (previously I have been manually opening an xchat tab and /server etc)
[17:52] <Tm_T> ToreadorVampire: totally firefox issue
[17:53] <ToreadorVampire> Tm_T> Ah, thanks :)
[17:53] <ToreadorVampire> Will go ask there :)
[17:53] <chris__> goofey: kaffeine cannot find xine_part.desktop and for the love of god i don't know how to tell where to look for it. googling did bring quite some results, but no solution
[17:55] <chris__> goofey: ehm, i mean i know where the file is, just that i don't know how to set the path in kaffeine. it worked fine just a few days ago
[17:57] <mcicheick> bonsoir je suis un nouveau utilisateur de linux je veux faire java avec netbeans mais j'ai debuté avec bluej donc j'ai du mal à comprendre s'il ya quelqu'un pour m'aider
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> !fr
[17:58] <mcicheick> merci
[17:59] <goofey> chris__: looks like this might have an answer: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-275365.html (see Dexterp37's post)
[18:00] <altrortla> hello... i got a trouble with a GUI ... this form show message form text with lower resolution... I can't read what it said... I have also tryied to zoom this form .... and to reduce resolution of the screen... (but no way)....i have also an image of this problem....this is what i've got .... http://picfront.de/uploaded.php?images=dARGbvmS0sn....on the right i have zoomed with kmag ... but the result is the same .... what should i do?
[18:00] <refor> hay
[18:00] <altrortla> hay
[18:01] <chris__> goofey: tried that, didn't work. the files are actually in the right dir, so i copied them to the one where they shouldn't be. to no avail
[18:01] <bilel> hello
[18:01] <altrortla> !welcome
[18:01] <refor> im first time
[18:01] <bilel> how can i keep a screen resolution on myoc
[18:01] <bilel> ????????????,
[18:01] <bilel> every boot i must chage the resolution
[18:02] <goofey> chris__: sorry, I don't know - but my suggestion is to restate your question being specific about the xine_part.desktop issue - someone here will know - you could also try #kde
[18:05] <XPS_M1330> does someone know how I can control the increment when changing system volume using the keboard multimedia buttons?
[18:05] <chris__> goofey: thanks anyway
[18:08] <chris__> kaffeine cannot find xine_part.desktop - it is not in the 'search path'. how can i set the search path or reset the kde env variables?
[18:12] <mehrab> hey guys
[18:14] <mehrab> when hover my curser on a pdf file in dolphin it will take a very long time to respond and perform, about 30 seconds. whats the problem?
[18:14] <Tm_T> mehrab: is this with every pdf?
[18:15] <mehrab> Tm_T: yes
[18:15] <Tm_T> mehrab: even with ones that are smaller 3 pages and 1 MiB ?
[18:16] <nightwlkr> i have a vga problem, can any1 help me out?
[18:16] <mehrab> Tm_T : I have this problem with 7-8 MiB files. I'll test it now and tell you
[18:19] <mehrab> Tm_T : no problem with small pdf files
[18:19] <nightwlkr> does any1 here have an ATI radeon vga?
[18:19] <Tm_T> mehrab: so its up to pdf file
[18:21] <mehrab> Tm_T : you mean every pdf file with 7-8 MiB may have such problem?
[18:21] <Tm_T> mehrab: no, perhaps something is in those files
[18:25] <nightwlkr> i'm having problems with my ATI Radeon x1650 vga that i recently got..i can't activate the driver, can some1 help me out?
[18:39] <roby70> ciao, scusate ho sbagliato
[18:45] <cuznt> my installer keeps fezzing up @ 5%
[18:45] <cuznt> freezing
[18:45] <cuznt> then it crashed
[18:45] <Tm_T> cuznt: have you checked your install media?
[18:46] <cuznt> it is such a drama story as such i have
[18:46] <vlastik> hallo, have anybody an idea, why my KDE does not remember monitor power saver settings? if i set 'no power save' and restart my pc, it is on default... (KDE 3.5, kubuntu 8.04.2)
[18:46] <cuznt> i am on the live cd trying to install 4.2fresh on my 160g it sits unable to connect to the interweb on my other 500g
[18:47] <vlastik> of course i set this in settings manager;)
[18:49] <vbgunz> I keep getting this -> Unknown CMake command "KDE4_NO_ENABLE_FINAL". ... google cant help. how to fix?
[18:50] <sheeple> hi
[18:50] <sheeple> im running intrepid, with an ati radeon X2100 series.  after attempting to install fglrx, i get just a black screen when i boot.
[18:50] <mefisto__> vlastik: may be a file permissions problem with the files in ~/.kde so that the changes can't be saved. try creating a new user and log in with that. see if the problem is still there
[18:51] <sheeple> i had to use xorg.conf.failsafe
[18:55] <mefisto__> sheeple: might find an answer here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide  and  http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Troubleshooting
[18:55] <vlastik> thanks for tip, mefisto, but do you thing, that it can solve simply chmod?
[18:55] <jose__> alguien me puede ayudar
[18:55] <vlastik> but i try it, thanks;)
[18:55] <usuario> hola
[18:55] <isa> hola
[18:56] <jose__> soy nuevo y no se hacer nada
[18:56] <genii-around> !es
[18:56] <jose__> alguien me puede ayudar
[18:56] <isa> yo tambien jose
[18:57] <solifugus> Is there a way to disable my laptop's scratchpad?
[18:57] <mefisto__> vlastik: chmod or chown. if that is the problem. or it could be something else. maybe a bad config file that you can delete to reset to defaults. trying with a new user will give you an idea of whether it's something in your home dir
[18:58] <vlastik> sure, i see, but it seems probably;)
[19:00] <sheeple> I WANT MY DESKTOP BACK
[19:00] <mefisto__> vlastik: you can chmod and chown everything in .kde to see if that fixes it. best to do that when not logged in to kde too. log out and log in text mode console
[19:00] <sheeple> someone in here gave me a link to install fglrx, and all it did was make everything worse, i was better off not to read it.
[19:00] <sheeple> my screen i blank.
[19:01] <sheeple> i just want my desktop back
[19:01] <mefisto__> sheeple: you probably just need to edit your xorg.conf a little to get it working
[19:01] <sheeple> i did ALL of that
[19:01] <sheeple> this is what i was told.  http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_restricted_drivers_manually
[19:02] <vlastik> mefisto, thanks
[19:02] <mefisto__> sheeple: did the other install methods not work?
[19:03] <sheeple> what other install methods
[19:03] <sheeple> there is only on method on that site
[19:03] <sheeple> err one
[19:04] <mefisto__> sheeple: there are three on that page :)
[19:04] <mefisto__> sheeple: 1. open source drivers. 2. the "ubuntu way" 3. manual install
[19:04] <sheeple> what to apt-get to just get my desktop back
[19:05] <sheeple> mefisto__  got a link?
[19:05] <sheeple> i was doing it the manual way
[19:06] <Exilant> sheeple: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[19:06] <cuznt> on my other hard drive my knetwork will not detect the eth0 or else it just does not hook up
[19:07] <sheeple> Exilant will that "over ride" what i did when doing it the manual way ?
[19:07] <Exilant> yes
[19:07] <sheeple> and when i run that one liner. what to put in xorg?
[19:07] <sheeple> xorg.conf
[19:07] <Exilant> well, if you installed weird packages, no undoing that for sure
[19:07] <sheeple> well how am i supposed to know whats wierd?
[19:07] <Exilant> but that will just regenerate an xorg.conf
[19:08] <sheeple> is the manual installation wierd ?
[19:08] <Exilant> everything manual is weird
[19:08] <sheeple> ugh
[19:08] <sheeple> so i should uninstall the manual stuff.
[19:08] <genii-around> cuznt: If you had eth adapter in a box, then pull it out, next one will still be for instance eth1 now even if eth0 no longer exists. The system reserves eth0 name for mac address of the adapter which it first saw
[19:08] <Exilant> not neccessarily
[19:08] <Exilant> sheeple: what did you do?
[19:09] <Exilant> fglrx is in the official repos since well, a lot of ubuntu releases
[19:09] <cuznt> there is nothing wrong with my ethernet... knetwork on the hd will not connect
[19:10] <cuznt> eth0 came with the mobo
[19:10] <genii-around> cuznt: You said "knetwork will not detect the eth0"    ... is the hd from another box?
[19:10] <cuznt> but it is the same eth
[19:10] <mefisto__> sheeple: you should try getting your xorg.conf to work, at least something better than a black screen. if you can't or want to just give up, you should uninstall everything installed in step 3 from that page, then try installing the easy way (described on that same page)
[19:10] <cuznt> another box?
[19:10] <cuznt> this pc different hd
[19:11] <cuznt> k4.2 32 bit
[19:11] <cuznt> i made a new connecttion and there they are, but they will not connect. no interweb
[19:12] <sheeple> Exilant thanx pal.  i got my desktop back.
[19:12] <Exilant> sheeple: you're welcome
[19:12]  * genii-around sips a coffee and contemplates the issue
[19:13] <sheeple> so i'll run that one liner, when i screw up getting ati instlaled
[19:13] <Exilant> yes
[19:13] <mefisto__> sheeple: so it's working now? dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg worked?
[19:14] <Exilant> dpkg-reconfigure resets the config files for a package
[19:14] <Exilant> -phigh tells it to just ask the most pressing questions
[19:14] <sheeple> so whats the ubuntu way to get ati's fglrx installed
[19:14] <cuznt> i can think of no reason it stopped. worked fine for a long while, the last thing i was messing with was flash and the like
[19:15] <Exilant> there was restricted-manager
[19:15] <Guest94351> do you know a tag editor for mp3 files in kubuntu?
[19:15] <mefisto__> sheeple: uninstall the manually installed drivers first, then follow the instructions on that page you were following: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide
[19:16] <Exilant> dunno about kde4, afaik theres no fglrx for jaunty yet
[19:16] <Guest94351> tag editor to install with apt-get ?
[19:16] <Exilant> Guest94351: amarok can do it, of course
[19:17] <Exilant> but that's probably too much
[19:17] <Guest94351> i did not know that
[19:17] <Guest94351> then , i will see
[19:17] <mefisto__> sheeple: in the menu, system > hardware drivers  (but uninstall the drivers you have now first! or it probably won't work)
[19:18] <Guest94351> thanks, bye
[19:18] <sheepz_> hi folks  it's me sheeple on the recovered desktop
[19:19] <sheepz_> i'll show you the xorg.conf i was using that gave me the black screen
[19:20] <Dondavid> hi
[19:20] <mbazdell1> hello
[19:21] <Dondavid> i have a prob with themes
[19:21] <Dondavid> how can i change it ?
[19:21] <Dondavid> i found smileys icons and etc but no themes
[19:21] <mbazdell1> you want to change your theme for what?
[19:21] <cuznt> right click on desktop
[19:21] <mbazdell1> KDE as a whole or this specific program?
[19:22] <Dondavid> kde
[19:22] <mbazdell1> are you running intrepid?
[19:22] <Dondavid> yes
[19:22] <mbazdell1> have you gone to Kmenu, System Settings, Appearance yet?
[19:23] <Dondavid> yes
[19:23] <mefisto__> Dondavid: tell us exactly what the problem is and what you want to change
[19:24] <chris__> i get 'cannot find xine_part.desktop in search path' when i start kaffeine. does anybody know, why this could be?
[19:24] <mefisto__> chris__: a few people have been getting that lately. probably a new bug that came with an upgrade
[19:25] <Dondavid> i want to change the theme of the menu bar
[19:25] <mefisto__> chris__: does it still happen after a restart or logout/login ?
[19:25] <chris__> mefisto__: do you know if anybody has reported this, yet?
[19:25] <chris__> mefisto__: yes, it does
[19:25] <chris__> even with root
[19:25] <mbazdell1> Dondavid: which menu bar?
[19:25] <mefisto__> chris__: I don't know, sorry.
[19:26] <chris__> mefisto__: maybe i should have a look and make an entry if necessary
[19:26] <Dondavid> on the ground where for example is the kde button
[19:26] <mbazdell1> ahhh
[19:26] <mbazdell1> now I get you
[19:26] <mbazdell1> hehe
[19:26] <Dondavid> or the windows of xchat and something like that
[19:26] <cuznt> is there another way to connect to the interweb on kde4.2 besides using knetwork manager?
[19:26] <Dondavid> in germany we called it taskleisten but i do not know how it is called in english
[19:27] <mefisto__> Dondavid: taskbar?
[19:27] <mbazdell1> Dondavid: unfortunately there's no easy way of doing it at the moment
[19:27] <Dondavid> ok
[19:27] <mefisto__> Dondavid: did you upgrade to kde 4.2?
[19:27] <Dondavid> yes
[19:27] <mbazdell1> 4.2 is much prettier I think
[19:27] <mefisto__> Dondavid: ok, it's easy then
[19:27] <mbazdell1> than 4.1
[19:28] <Dondavid> i think how can i see this ?
[19:28] <mefisto__> Dondavid: right-click on the desktop, appearance settings
[19:28]  * mbazdell1 just downloaded and installed kde-nightly but it doesn't work
[19:28] <doop> hi
[19:28] <mbazdell1> hello
[19:29] <Dondavid> ah i found it
[19:29] <Dondavid> thy
[19:29] <Dondavid> thx
[19:29] <mefisto__> Dondavid: then choose a different theme. or install new ones if you want. I think the default is "elegance" or "oxygen" (I can't remember)
[19:29] <mbazdell1> Here's an interesting question.. Is there a simple way to have my default sound device change when I plug in my USB headset?
[19:31] <mefisto__> mbazdell1: there's a command you can use to do that. is that simple enough?
[19:32] <mefisto__> mbazdell1: to get a list of your soundcards:   asoundconf list
[19:32] <mbazdell1> if there's a command that can change it, then yes. I could have a script execute when I plug it in
[19:32] <mefisto__> mbazdell1: to set the default: asoundconf set-default-card <soundcard-name>
[19:32] <mbazdell1> ahh
[19:33] <mbazdell1> just saw that
[19:33] <Exilant> cuznt: well, there's always the command line
[19:33] <cuznt> ?
[19:33] <mbazdell1> mefisto__: and that will change any new application (in KDE I'm aiming) to use that (if they're smart enough to check)?
[19:34] <cuznt> to connect?
[19:34] <Exilant> cuznt: yes
[19:34] <cuznt> will you reveal its secrets?
[19:34] <cuznt> PLS?
[19:34] <mefisto__> mbazdell1: yes, for most apps that will work. if you're using jack audio then maybe not always
[19:34] <Exilant> dhclient eth0 and such stuff
[19:34] <Dondavid> i have got one question how i can use this theme ? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Azenis?content=77150
[19:34] <Exilant> cuznt: what do you need?
[19:35] <cuznt> knetwork on my working kde wont connect to the interweb
[19:35] <cuznt> deleted my connection
[19:35] <cuznt> made a new one etc
[19:36] <Exilant> what kind of connection?
[19:36] <cuznt> eth0
[19:36] <mefisto__> Dondavid: that theme won't work for kde 4. it says it's for kde 3.2+
[19:36] <Exilant> hm, you connect to a router?
[19:36] <cuznt> yep
[19:36] <cuznt> it was working
[19:36] <Exilant> try (sudo) dhclient eth0
[19:36] <cuznt> it just stopped after a reboot
[19:37] <cuznt> right on thanks
[19:37] <mbazdell> cuznt: is it wireless?
[19:37] <cuznt> no
[19:37] <cuznt> no wifi
[19:37] <mbazdell> okay
[19:37] <Dondavid> lol :D
[19:37] <Exilant> maybe you need to restart, network-manager is sometimes weird
[19:37] <mbazdell> I've found that if `dhclient eth0' doesn't work, do `/etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop' first
[19:38] <mbazdell> just to see if it will work or not
[19:38] <cuznt> wifi reflects off the titanium plates in my head
[19:38] <mbazdell> that way you can eliminate the problem
[19:39] <Exilant> mbazdell: i don't have such a script, have wondered at times where it's started (8.04)
[19:39] <cuznt> okthanks
[19:39] <cuznt> i may or may not be back on the live cd.
[19:39] <mefisto__> mbazdell: you mean stop it first, then dhclient, then start it again?
[19:39]  * cuznt puts on the brakes
[19:39] <mbazdell> mefisto__: I've never tried starting it again
[19:40] <Dondavid> can i use themes for 4.0 no or ?
[19:41] <mefisto__> Dondavid: yes. you can install them from the same place you change them. there is a button "new theme..."
[19:41] <Dondavid> yes but there are online 20 themes
[19:45] <mefisto__> Dondavid: you can also install a few, then mix them up by using different themes for different objects. go to systemsettings > advanced > desktop theme details
[19:50] <falckon> i haven't been able to connect my bluetooth headset after trying a dozen different guides, anyone know of how to get your device paired after adding it to asoundrc?
[19:54] <chris__> it's really annyoing. there is hardly anything more comfortable to watch videos
[19:55] <koperton> ?
[19:55] <koperton> what chris__
[19:56] <mefisto__> chris__: try smplayer. it uses mplayer but has a better interface with similar controls to kaffeine
[20:12] <quassel208> kde4.2.1 is released
[20:12] <peaches__> YAY
[20:13] <peaches__> how do you set the default boot kernel?
[20:13] <ubuntu_> hi guys im new here i just have a quesion... i am using kubuntu 8.10 and i need help installing the drivers for my card it a :ati raedon 320 igp a.k.a. mobility ui
[20:13] <fosco_> peaches__: in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[20:14] <peaches__> i dont have a grub not even installed
[20:14] <fosco_> ???
[20:14] <peaches__> oh wait
[20:15] <peaches__> ya id o
[20:24] <francesco> !it
[20:24] <Guest71717> \join #ubuntu-it
[20:30] <Noize> hello. i got some problems executing the 'make# command for krecipe. i get the error "./../importers/kreimporter.h:49: error: multiple parameters named 'amount'". Can somebody help me?
[20:33] <genii-around> Why are you trying to copile it when you can more easily: sudo apt-get install krecipes
[20:34] <Noize> genii-around: ohh... didn't find it. ok, installation worked. but now i'm getting the error:
[20:34] <Noize> KCrash: Application 'krecipes' crashing...
[20:34] <Noize> KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.
[20:36] <Noize> whole execution log can be seen on pastebin: http://pastebin.com/d49403499
[20:37] <genii-around> Looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krecipes/+bug/278415
[20:38] <Noize> genii-around: yes exactly, but there isn't a solution
[20:41] <genii-around> Noize: Yes, not yet, unfortunately
[20:42] <Noize> genii-around: ok thanks anyway. i'll try to find another programm
[20:46] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
[20:47] <mefisto__> !hi | FuriousGeorge
[20:47] <FuriousGeorge> how do i change the screen resolution?  in gentoo i would edit xorg.conf but i get the impression im not supposed to do that
[20:48] <mefisto__> FuriousGeorge: try krandrtray
[20:48] <White_Pelican> I just noticed that kde 4.2.1 was released by the kde team. When will it be available?
[20:48] <mefisto__> FuriousGeorge: if the resolution you want isn't available, you'll need to edit xorg.conf
[20:49] <FuriousGeorge> mefisto__: thanks.  im trying to relay this to a client.  should i just tell them to run krandtray, or is there something in control center
[20:50] <mefisto__> FuriousGeorge: should be in systemsettings > display. what version kde?
[20:51] <FuriousGeorge> mefisto__: i dont have a computer running kubuntu around, so i cant just try it for myself.  its version 3.5.?
[20:51] <mefisto__> FuriousGeorge: krandrtray is a systemtray icon that lets you easily change resolutions
[20:52] <FuriousGeorge> mefisto__: its not running by default though, is it?
[20:52] <mefisto__> FuriousGeorge: I don't think so, no. but it's installed by default and should be in kmenu somewhere
[20:53] <FuriousGeorge> mefisto__: thanks
[20:54] <mefisto__> FuriousGeorge: actually, I'm not sure if it's installed by default. it's part of the kcontrol package
[20:54] <White_Pelican> I just noticed that kde 4.2.1 was released by the kde team. When will it be available in Jaunty?
[20:55] <Shaman666> nice
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> White_Pelican: It's building now. It should be done in a few hours if not sooner
[20:59] <prasad> hi all
[21:00] <prasad> anybody working on Glassfish these days ??
[21:02] <Power> hi
[21:03] <mefisto__> !hi
[21:03] <Power> thanks.
[21:03] <Power> anybody working on Glassfish these days ?
[21:03] <mbazdell> Anybody else experience this? When running compiz in KDE4.2 you can't do Alt F1 anymore...
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> mbazdell: I think I recall compiz wanting to use that shortcut for something itself
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> I've not run compiz since gutsy though so I don't remember what it was. I've just heard of other people having that problem
[21:04] <mbazdell> yeah.. I just disabled it though and it's still not working
[21:08] <mefisto__> what was alt-F1 mapped to in compiz?
[21:09] <mbazdell> Show Main Window
[21:09] <mbazdell> in General
[21:17] <Dondavid> can someone tell me a prog which show me the temperatur of my hdd and cpu ?
[21:17] <Dr_willis> !info lm-sensors
[21:17] <fosco_> Dondavid: hddtemp and lnsensors
[21:17] <fosco_> lmsensors*
[21:17] <mefisto__> Dondavid: there are widgets that can do that
[21:18] <Dondavid> i want a gui prog
[21:18] <Dondavid> not in the terminal
[21:19] <Dr_willis> all the gui programs normally USE lm-sensors..
[21:19] <Dr_willis> so fire up the package manager and search for  sensors, or termoarture, or monitor, perhaps
[21:19] <Dondavid> melt is a other thing or ?
[21:20] <Dr_willis> !info melt
[21:20] <mefisto__> Dondavid: add widgets, in the search field typ "system"
[21:20] <mefisto__> *type
[21:21] <ibuffy> "You first need to enable both the search and Nepomuk in the Desktop Search page of KDE's System Settings application. A new icon will appear in your taskbar, and Strigi will start creating its database in the background. Click on the icon to check the status of the index building, and when it's finished you can perform a search from Krunner. This is the tool that pops up when you press Alt and F2. Try searching for something within an ODT office document
[21:21] <ibuffy> – it should be listed in the results alongside any filenames that include the same search."     ....no icon has appeared
[21:21] <ibuffy> heeelllpp!!! o.O
[21:21] <ibuffy> :D
[21:21] <ibuffy> srsly tho
[21:24] <Dr_willis> perhaps the docs are for the old kde 3.X or perhaps you need to add some widgit to the panel now.
[21:24] <Dr_willis> ive never used that tool.. so no other ideas
[21:29] <gletob> In the Kubuntu installer is it the same as the ubuntu installer where it let's you select where to install grub to?
[21:30] <Dr_willis> Should be from what i recall.
[21:30] <Dr_willis> but i thought the alternative installer asked where.. not the 'desktop' installer.
[21:31] <ibuffy> "strigi.daemon: Daemon cannot run: the file /home/ibuffy/.strigi/lock is locked."
[21:32] <Dr_willis> a locked lock!
[21:33] <lucas_> does anyone know where are arora bookmarks stored?
[21:35] <ibuffy> do i need to change permissions to the file?...
[21:35] <ibuffy> i dunno what to do
[21:35] <Dr_willis> You could just delete the file.. or log out/back in perhaps
[21:38] <Noughmad> If anyone's interested, kdelibs 4.2.1 is in Jaunty now
[21:38] <yoritomo> hello everybody
[21:39] <yoritomo> i have a problem to use my hotmail.com adress on thunderbird, looks like port 995 is bloacked, i don't know how to check it
[21:39] <yoritomo> UFW and firestarter are stopped, and it has been forwarded in the router
[21:40] <DarkriftX> I just got a monitor for my laptop. im trying to do video out but not sure if im missing something
[21:40] <DarkriftX> are there special drivers needed to make the video output work on a laptop?
[21:42] <Dr_willis> depends on th chipset DarkriftX
[21:42] <Dr_willis> and the laptop i imagine
[21:42] <DarkriftX> nvidia mobile, ill try to find model
[21:43] <Dr_willis> install the nvidia drivers yet?
[21:43] <DarkriftX> i thought i had the svideo out working, never tried vga
[21:43] <DarkriftX> i have nv drivers, will those not work?
[21:43] <Dr_willis> install the NVIDIA drivers. :) i know those will work
[21:43] <Dr_willis> nv may or may not..
[21:44] <DarkriftX> ok
[21:44] <DarkriftX> !nvidia
[21:45] <DarkriftX> where do i go to enable the restricted drivers again?
[21:45] <DarkriftX> !restricted
[21:47] <DarkriftX> !glx
[21:47] <DarkriftX> !nvidia-glx
[21:47] <DarkriftX> there was a trigger for this
[21:47] <DarkriftX> i just cant remember it
[21:49] <mefisto__> DarkriftX: in system > hardware drivers
[21:50] <DarkriftX> thanks
[21:50] <DarkriftX> i would have not checked there
[21:51] <DarkriftX> so after install just restart x?
[21:51] <DarkriftX> here goes nuffin
[21:52] <khashayar> Hey folks. I'm having a small love affair with KDE that I'm hoping to turn into a long lasting relationship. I've installed most of the kubuntu-desktop packages (on jaunty). The problem is konqueror crashes immediately on launch (generic error). Anybody else experiencing anything similar?
[21:52] <ubuntu_> hey guys i need som help
[21:54] <unko> ok so i installed kubuntu onto my 4gb usb stick but when i put it in to boot it messed up grub. i fixed grub but it own't boot from the stick for some reason. it says no bootable partion in table...any ideas?
[21:54] <Dr_willis> installed 'how' exactly unko ?
[21:54] <unko> Dr_willis: huh?
[21:55] <Dr_willis> I can think of at least 3 ways to 'install' to a usb stick
[21:55] <Dr_willis> Unebootin,  the ubuntu -usb-disk tool , or booting a cd and doing a normal install to a usb stick
[21:55] <unko> from the live cd. when it showed me my disks and i selected it to take up the whole 4gb stick
[21:55] <Dr_willis> doing a 'regular' install to a usb stick. can have issues.
[21:55] <unko> i wanna install the system to the stick so i can bring my OS with me
[21:56] <Dr_willis> I would test with unetbootin, or the ubuntu-usb-drive tool first.
[21:56] <mefisto__> unko: google around for some guides. there are quite a few
[21:56] <Dr_willis>  the ubuntu-tool can do a persistant save. and  is proberly best if you plan on using the thing on different hardware machines
[21:56] <unko> hmm...well first how can i install kubuntu on my usb stick and have it work?
[21:56] <unko> where do i get this tool?
[21:56] <Dr_willis> unko,  use unetbootin, (no persistant save) or that gnome-usb-disk tool is one way
[21:57] <Dr_willis> google for unetbootin or search the package manager for the name of theubuntu tool.  I forget wht its called
[21:57] <Dr_willis> also see pendrivelinux.com
[21:57] <unko> ok how can i install these im new to kubuntu i've been using ubuntu (gnome)
[21:57] <Dr_willis> do you have ubuntu installed now? it came with that usb-disk tool
[21:57] <untiled> Hi, i wanna install ipod-convenience but it's unable because require python < 2.6...but i have installed python 2.6!
[21:59] <unko> Dr_willis: where do i get thee programs your talking about?
[21:59] <Dr_willis> unetbootin -> google for its homepage and download it.
[22:00] <Power> how do we know its x86 or x86_64 architecture or linux ?
[22:00] <Power> anybody can answer...
[22:00] <Dr_willis> ubuntu-usb-disk -> if you have ubuntu installed its there.. if not - check the package manager/search feture to find it.. I dont know its name
[22:00] <mefisto__> I think it's called usb-creator
[22:00] <unko> so.. i have to go back onto my main drive hold on..ill be back
[22:00] <Tomasso> any way to improve kde's performance? the graphics show a bit slow
[22:00] <Dr_willis> !info usb-creator
[22:01] <Dr_willis> There ya go. :)
[22:01] <Dr_willis> install that and try it out. It made a very handy live-usb-thumdrive for me.
[22:01] <Dr_willis> I did have to 'tweak'it a bit
[22:01] <unko> ok
[22:01] <Dr_willis> assuming youf machine CAN boot a thumbdrive..
[22:01] <unko> yes it can...fast lappy
[22:01] <Power> Dr_willis: how do we know its x86 or x86_64 architecture or linux ?
[22:01] <Dr_willis> Power,  huh?
[22:02] <Power> sorry tu jump in..
[22:02] <Power> i just wanted to know what linux architecture it is
[22:02] <Power> whether x86 ? or x86_64
[22:02] <Dr_willis> what  arch. WHAT is?
[22:03] <Power> lol.u look to b as confused as i am still. :)
[22:03] <Dr_willis>  the tools ive mentioned work with 64 and 32bit ubuntu, and can make 64 or 32bit usb-thumbdrives
[22:03] <unko> kubuntu is very confusing to me...
[22:03] <Dr_willis> if thats what you are asking about
[22:03] <unko> this is my first time using it
[22:03] <Dr_willis> unko,   it pays to read guides.. and  docs.. and  'learn to learn'
[22:03] <Power> so i don't knw whether it is a 32bit or 64bit ubuntu
[22:03] <Power> how to find that out ?
[22:04] <Dr_willis> Power,  wether WHAT is 32or 64bit?
[22:04] <unko> nah...i like to get to know it on my own it's like a adventure....i started using kubuntu because it's very differnt from gnome and gnome got kinda boring..
[22:04] <Power> what processor ?
[22:04] <Dr_willis> unko,  you do know you caninstall kde and gnome both onthe same machine? you just pick what desktop to use at the gdm or kdm login :)
[22:04] <unko> really?
[22:05] <Dr_willis> unko,  yes.. the 2 as just different desktpps
[22:05] <Dr_willis> theres NO need to install both to 2 seperate 'installs'
[22:05] <Power> unko: kubuntu is fun. They say. :) i haven't started enjoying yet
[22:05] <Dr_willis> cat /proc/cpuinfo --> model name	: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
[22:05] <Dr_willis> I got a 64bit CPU
[22:05] <unko> hmm...never knew that...and im not doing two sep installs kubuntu is gonna be on my usb stcik i wanna use it at school
[22:06] <Dr_willis> unko,  use the ubuntu usb-creator tool and point it to the kubuntu iso file.. and it will make a kubuntu thumbdrive.
[22:06] <unko> uh...problem how can i format my stcik it's not showing up...NOTE: im using kubuntu live cd
[22:07] <Dr_willis> unko,  you DONT format it befor hand.
[22:07] <Dr_willis> ler the installer handle it
[22:07] <Power> and mine is a Core2Duo
[22:07] <Power> but still not able to know whether its a 64bit or 32bit processor
[22:07] <unko> well it's not showing up Dr_willis
[22:07] <Power> lol
[22:07] <unko> power, look it up (google)
[22:08] <Dr_willis> unko,  not showing up where?
[22:08] <unko> look up your proccessor
[22:08] <Dr_willis> Power,  google for the cpu specs perhaps.
[22:08] <Dr_willis> I though all core2 were 64bit
[22:08] <unko> Dr_willis hold on
[22:08] <Power> that was a gud peace of info.
[22:08] <Power> thanks
[22:08] <Power> i forgot that wiki is my brain and google are my eyes.
[22:09] <Dr_willis> Im not sure if  intel makes many non-64bit cpus any more :)
[22:09] <Dr_willis> i wonder if that 'atom' cpu is 64 or 32 bit
[22:10] <mefisto__> Power: you could try   lshw -C processor      that will probably tell you it's 64bit
[22:12] <Power> ultimate..that was the best command i cud ever get
[22:12] <Power> thanks Dr_willis..u prescrivbed the rite medicine.
[22:12] <Power> ;)
[22:13] <DarkriftX> ok, got nvidia drivers working, but my resolutions are all messed up now
[22:13] <Dr_willis> normally my resolutions are messed up..UNTILL iuse the nvidia drivers
[22:13] <Dr_willis> run the nvidia-settings tool and tweak the xorg.conf perhaps.
[22:14] <unko> ok im back im on my regular desktop
[22:16] <jay--> bonsoir tout le monde
[22:16] <DarkriftX> is there a tool to help you configure your xorg.conf video modes?
[22:17] <DarkriftX> i dont like editing that file by hand :(
[22:17] <jay--> probably
[22:17] <jay--> but i dont know one
[22:18] <Dr_willis> DarkriftX, run the nvidia-settings tool and tweak the xorg.conf perhaps.
[22:18] <DarkriftX> installing that and ill try it
[22:20] <unko> Dr_willis: ok i made the start up disk im on it now..but it's like live cd?
[22:20] <unko> Dr_willis: i thought it was suposed to be like the OS on the stick...
[22:20] <Dr_willis> its both
[22:20] <Dr_willis> :P
[22:20] <Dr_willis> its a live cd + persistant save.. If you toldit to use a persistant save/home
[22:21] <Dr_willis> its NOT the same as installing the os to the stick
[22:21] <unko> awe...is it possible to do that?
[22:21] <Dr_willis> its as if you made a LIVE-CD on the stick + extra features
[22:21] <sergioesanto> hello
[22:21] <Dr_willis> it asked you in the wizard..   you overlooked it perhaps?
[22:21] <Dr_willis> its BETtER then a 'install to the stick'
[22:22] <unko> UH...idk... it said somthing about saving and i put it as 300mb
[22:22] <Dr_willis> if you boot to different machines.
[22:22] <Dr_willis>  You have a 300mb 'save' file then for your changes
[22:22] <unko> is that enough?
[22:23] <Dr_willis> how do i know..:) its your machine and  your tool..  is my 16 oz hammer enough? Depends on the job. :)
[22:23] <mefisto__> :)
[22:23] <unko> ha
[22:24] <unko> well...im gonna use it as a portable os..maybe some music...on it too
[22:24] <Dr_willis> 'linux - Your OS your way!' :)
[22:24] <unko> ...
[22:24] <Dr_willis> You can always store data files ON the thumbdrive..it is fat16 filesystem I recall..  if you have more space
[22:25] <unko> how can i remove like the install thing on the desktop.. and can i make another user?
[22:25] <Dr_willis> try making another user and see?
[22:25] <Dr_willis> try just deleting the icon?
[22:25] <unko> Dr_willis:  -,-
[22:26] <Dr_willis> im pretty sure both work
[22:26] <Dr_willis> actually when i boot off my thumbdrive..i cant tell the diff between it and a normal HD install
[22:26] <Dr_willis> i got mine with a 6gb save file. :)
[22:26] <unko> i don't think i can delete it..
[22:26] <unko> what do you have like a 16gb thumb drive?
[22:26] <mefisto__> Dr_willis: it's slower though, right?
[22:26] <Dr_willis> I een installed the nvidia drivers on mine. and other stuff
[22:27] <Dr_willis> mefisto__,  i really cant tell the differance.
[22:27] <Dr_willis> its my 'emergancy' disk however.  so i dont use it a lot
[22:27] <unko> ha im gonna use mine in school
[22:27] <unko> to download and seed torrents
[22:28] <unko> cuz my connection is super slow and my schools is super fast
[22:28] <mefisto__> unko: so you can use the "linux ate my homework" excuse?
[22:28] <unko> mefisto__: yea
[22:28] <peaches> unko: have you thought about turning your computer lab into a zombie hoard
[22:28] <unko> peaches: haha WHAT
[22:29] <unko> be right back im gonna make my stick have more space
[22:29] <peaches> just something to ponder is all
[22:29] <Dr_willis> bootable thumb drive  - that lets other machines net boot from it. :) are fun
[22:32] <unko> so if i put the slider to use all the 3.6gb it will use that for the system?
[22:34] <Tomas---> can some one help me with http://pastebin.com/m64bdefb6
[22:34] <unko> dr_willis, look ...  http://www.lookpic.com/files/Screenshot27.png
[22:34] <unko> if i want more space to be used with kubuntu ill slide it to the left right>
[22:37] <DarkriftX> !XRandR
[22:37] <peaches> unko: cool what program is that
[22:37] <unko> peaches, ... uh what distro do you have?
[22:37] <peaches> kubuntu
[22:38] <unko> peaches, use your package manager
[22:38] <peaches> for the usb disk thing?
[22:38] <unko> just type in usb start up disk i guess
[22:38] <unko> yea
[22:38] <peaches> oh i see
[22:38] <peaches> package manager sucks
[22:38] <unko> kubuntu's dose
[22:38] <mefisto__> peaches: install usb-creator
[22:38] <peaches> i have so much trouble with it
[22:38] <unko> ubuntu's synaptics is awsome!
[22:39] <peaches> yea probably
[22:39] <unko> i love my ubuntu set-up it's perfected
[22:39] <Exilant> package manager at least finds stuff, unlike adept
[22:39] <unko> haha
[22:39] <DarkriftX> ok, i instaled nvidia-settings but its still not giving me the right resolutions. and it wont let me make changes on the fly because it says XRandR is not installed, but it is. any ideas?
[22:39] <unko> adept dose too
[22:39] <peaches> does gnome still have super crappy file dialogs?
[22:39] <Exilant> but synaptic <3
[22:40] <unko> ha!
[22:40] <peaches> adept_manager was powerness
[22:40] <unko> Exilant, kubuntu's package manager has a search thiny too
[22:40] <Exilant> i know
[22:40] <unko> well whats the problem
[22:40] <mefisto__> adept has MORE search features
[22:41] <peaches> adept_manager should be backported or forwardported or whatever
[22:41] <Exilant> in package manager, well, lots of stuff, not the search
[22:41] <peaches> are you talking about adept installer?
[22:41] <unko> oh yeah..
[22:41] <Exilant> never could get adept to find me linux-image
[22:41] <unko> synaptic is clean and easy to use
[22:41] <unko> well the whole distro is
[22:41] <peaches> ive got two adept intstaller and adept manager they both make my eyes roll
[22:41] <unko> haha
[22:42] <pepegus> !list
[22:42] <unko> i wonder what disro will make it the fursthest like.. kubuntu, or ubuntu, or the xfce desktops..
[22:42] <mbazdell> anybody know how to get amarok to have sound in 4.2?
[22:42] <peaches> wow installer actualyl found the usb creator
[22:42] <unko> nope
[22:42] <unko> peaches, congrats
[22:43] <peaches> ^5
[22:43] <unko> be right back guys time to setup my portable OS!
[22:43] <Exilant> mbazdell: i had to just find the volume settings in amarok
[22:43] <mbazdell> lol
[22:43] <mbazdell> My volume is up
[22:43] <Exilant> searched for a while, though
[22:43] <peaches> whenever i open a kubuntu adept i feel like im using one of those $100 laptops or something
[22:44] <peaches> mbazdell: did it break from your previous kde?
[22:44] <mbazdell> peaches: never worked.. I just reinstalled this morning and upgraded straight to 4.2
[22:45] <mbazdell> I opened it in 4.1 just so it will build the collection, otherwise it wont open in 4.2
[22:45] <mbazdell> never tried it in anything else
[23:01] <urpyx> ciao
[23:05] <pucko-> kde from backports crashes Xorg for me when I use the rotate screen feature in intrepid. anyone else got that problem?
[23:06] <kaddi> !gv
[23:07] <kaddi> is there a support channel for ghostview or anybody who knows his way around latex and ghostview who could help me out with an errormessage?
[23:11] <jimdb_> When downloading a file on kde desktop every few seconds there is this big ring madeup of white circles.  How can I get rid of that feature?
[23:18] <DaSkreech> jimdb_: What?
[23:18] <kaddi> !info ghostview
[23:20] <mefisto__> !info ghostscript
[23:20] <mefisto__> is that what you were looking for?
[23:20] <DaSkreech> !info gv
[23:22] <DaSkreech> mefisto__: More likely that but seeing as kaddi is asking about an error message seems likely that it's been found already
[23:23] <kaddi> the bug is probably in my tex-skript somewhere, i just can't find where :/
[23:24] <DaSkreech> kaddi: #latex  ?
[23:24] <kaddi> that might be a good idea *d'oh*
[23:24] <coreyman> I just installed the new kubuntu, and i can't connect to the web
[23:24] <coreyman> i can connect to my router.
[23:24] <coreyman> what am i doing wrong.
[23:25] <mbazdell> Is there a way to turn off spell check for wine apps?
[23:25] <DaSkreech> coreyman: how do you know you can connect to the router?
[23:26] <coreyman> i typed 192.168.50.1 in konquerer and i see the login
[23:26] <DaSkreech> coreyman: open a konsole and try ping google.com
[23:26] <coreyman> i did and it didnt work
[23:26] <coreyman> it said unknown host
[23:27] <DaSkreech> coreyman: ping 194.9.77.5
[23:27] <coreyman> network is unreacheable
[23:27] <DaSkreech> coreyman: type route
[23:27] <vbgunz> any news on KDE4.2.1 and Kubuntu?
[23:27] <DaSkreech> do you see a line that says default
[23:28] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: In staging
[23:28] <yoritomo> how to know if my port 995 is open ? can't use hotmail on my thunderbird, it is able to send message but not to get it
[23:28] <coreyman> destination link-local gateway *  genmask 255.255.0.0 flags u metric 1000 ref 0 use ifce 0 eth0
[23:28] <vbgunz> DaSkreech: where can I read about staging?
[23:28] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: You can't it's a private repo
[23:28] <coreyman> yoritomo, whatsmyip.org should have a tool
[23:28] <vbgunz> oh, just wanted to know what that meant in more general terms. googling it
[23:29] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: essentially means they need to flip it into public for it to be available it's the last stage before you get it
[23:29] <DaSkreech> coreyman: How did you get your IP address?
[23:29] <vbgunz> DaSkreech: very cool :)
[23:29] <coreyman> i tried dhcp and static
[23:29] <coreyman> @daskreech
[23:29] <DaSkreech> coreyman: what are you on now?
[23:29] <DaSkreech> static?
[23:30] <coreyman> windows
[23:30] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[23:30] <DaSkreech> ok
[23:30] <DaSkreech> how are you getting the route info then?
[23:30] <coreyman> i am on a different pc
[23:30] <coreyman> kubuntu is loaded
[23:30] <DaSkreech> Right on the one that matters how are you getting your IP ?
[23:31] <coreyman> i've done it static and dhcp
[23:31] <DaSkreech> you can't be getting it by both
[23:31] <coreyman> i know this
[23:31] <DaSkreech> unless you have two network cards connected
[23:31] <coreyman> no.
[23:31] <DaSkreech> Right so how are you getting it now?
[23:31] <coreyman> i've done it with static, and i've done it with dhcp
[23:31] <coreyman> its dhcp wireless
[23:31] <coreyman> im not wired
[23:31] <coreyman> my desktop is wired
[23:33] <coreyman> i have a static wired pc running i copied the info and it doesnt seem to be working
[23:33] <DaSkreech> Ok And you can get to the router?
[23:33] <coreyman> yes i can get to the router
[23:33] <coreyman> idk about now... those gears are turning and they haven't stopped
[23:33] <vbgunz> DaSkreech: they're slowly becoming available I guess. I just updated konqueror to 4.2.1
[23:34] <DaSkreech> coreyman: Well at least wireles works that's normally the hard part
[23:34] <vbgunz> how do you delete a file named "/ï¿½=#ï¿½=exit"  ?
[23:34] <coreyman> daskreech... this is wireless on my laptop with windows
[23:34] <vbgunz> how do you delete a file named "!¿½=#ï¿½=exit"  ?
[23:34] <coreyman> i cant get web access on kubuntu
[23:34] <Dr_willis> vbgunz,  quote it with ' '  is one way
[23:34] <vbgunz> sorry about the first 1, no slash in it
[23:35] <DaSkreech> coreyman: But you can reach the router?
[23:35] <coreyman> yes...
[23:35] <Dr_willis> rm '!¿½=#ï¿½=exit'
[23:35] <mbazdell> So I have an app that I run under wine. The problem is the spell checker in kde4 is messing it up. Anyway to disable it?
[23:35] <coreyman> i think network manager just exited itself... how do i open it back up
[23:35] <DaSkreech> ok hmm
[23:35] <vbgunz> Dr_willis: no file by that name
[23:35] <coreyman> hey dr_willis
[23:35] <DaSkreech> knetworkmanager I think
[23:35] <Dr_willis> vbgunz,  thats weird.. ive always single quoted things befor..
[23:36] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: can you tab complete from ! ?
[23:36] <Dr_willis> vbgunz,  install mc, and use mc to delete it. :)
[23:36] <vbgunz> Dr_willis: no
[23:36] <Dr_willis> that file name looks. very very very weird.. as in it has some charcters not allowed in filenames..
[23:36] <Dr_willis> makes me wonder if your filesystem isent currupted.
[23:36] <Dr_willis> or my irc fonts are messed up :)
[23:37] <coreyman> yea i get teh same thing dr willis
[23:37] <vbgunz> Dr_willis: this happened after I believe kwin crashed from a screen session :/
[23:37] <coreyman> when i mouse over network manager, it syas it is not running, how do get it to run
[23:37] <mefisto__> vbgunz: and where did you find this file?
[23:37] <vbgunz> mefisto__: found it in my ~/
[23:38] <vbgunz> mefisto__: kwin went bonkers and boom their it was
[23:38] <mefisto__> vbgunz: in dolphin/konqueror? does it display like that with ls ?
[23:38] <yoritomo> coreyman, i get a port timeout for 995
[23:38] <yoritomo> firewall disabled
[23:38] <vbgunz> mefisto__: in ls its ?=#?=exit
[23:39] <coreyman> yoritomo what about port 80
[23:39] <coreyman> knetworkmanager keeps crashin
[23:39] <mefisto__> vbgunz: have you tried to rm that filename?
[23:39] <coreyman> what can i do.
[23:39] <coreyman> !
[23:39] <coreyman> urgent :(
[23:39] <yoritomo> closed
[23:40] <coreyman> yoritomo i think 995 is open but nothing is running so you get a timeout
[23:40] <DaSkreech> coreyman: sudo dhclient
[23:41] <coreyman> what did that just do? get my ip?
[23:41] <coreyman> its using the wrong gateway
[23:41] <coreyman> i see
[23:41] <vbgunz> man, I forgot how to delete a file with funny characters
[23:41] <yoritomo> coreyman on thunderbird, failed to connect to pop3.live.com
[23:41] <unko> hey if i download a theme from kde-look how do i install it?
[23:41] <coreyman> it's using 192.168.50.2 and not 192.168.50.1
[23:42] <coreyman> yoritomo does your isp block pop3?
[23:42] <Szadek> hello everybody , is there stasks .3 in deb for intrepid ??
[23:42] <Szadek> i only find to janty
[23:42] <Szadek> and i cant install it
[23:42] <yoritomo> no because i am using other account without problems
[23:42] <mefisto__> vbgunz: rm \?\=#\?\=exit
[23:42] <DaSkreech> coreyman: sudo route add default gw 192.168.50.1
[23:42] <codecyphix> MS live changed the name of all their server last monht
[23:42] <DaSkreech> mefisto__: have to escape #
[23:42] <yoritomo> but on port 110
[23:42] <DaSkreech> It's a comment other wise
[23:43] <mefisto__> DaSkreech: are you sure? why?
[23:43] <vbgunz> cannot delete it :/
[23:43] <DaSkreech> mefisto__: # is a comment in bash Everything after that is ignored
[23:43] <coreyman> daskreech it's still using .50.2 :(
[23:43] <vbgunz> I tried rm -- '?=#?=exit'    ...  nothing :/
[23:44] <coreyman> vbgunz i dont think thats a valid file name
[23:44] <DaSkreech> Maybe the file doesn't really exist?
[23:44] <mefisto__> DaSkreech: it's only a comment if it comes first, like #name.txt not name#.txt
[23:44] <codecyphix> vbgunz: use the tab key to fill in special char
[23:44] <vbgunz> coreyman: yeah, its not but after a kwin crash it ended up in my ~/
[23:45] <coreyman> vbgunz odd...
[23:45] <DaSkreech> mefisto__: ah right needs a space after
[23:45] <DaSkreech> Or before
[23:45] <DaSkreech> something like that :)
[23:45] <vbgunz> probably a ;
[23:46] <vbgunz> before
[23:46] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: How large is it?
[23:46] <mefisto__> vbgunz: does it say anything after you try to rm? or nothing?
[23:46] <vbgunz> DaSkreech: 0
[23:46] <DaSkreech> heh
[23:46] <vbgunz> mefisto__: yeah, no such file
[23:46] <vbgunz> no such file or directory
[23:47] <Dr_willis> You really might want to fsck the filesystem tobe sure its not the issue
[23:47] <codecyphix> anyone figure out how to get kubuntu to take out the trash?
[23:47] <unko> how do install a theme in kubuntu
[23:47] <coreyman> what command do i use to renew dhcp
[23:49] <codecyphix> sudo dhclient
[23:50] <codecyphix> what about getting another beer?
[23:51] <mefisto__> sudo apt-get install --reinstall beer
[23:51] <vbgunz> who said to use mc to delete it?
[23:51] <vbgunz> I owe you a beer. mc deleted that funny ass file with no problems
[23:51] <DaSkreech> codecyphix: mv ~/.local/share/Trash/files/* ~/out ?
[23:52] <codecyphix> didnt work. guess i got to get up
[23:52] <mefisto__> vbgunz: did mc show the same filename as ls?
[23:52] <vbgunz> mefisto__: yes
[23:52] <vbgunz> I believe so
[23:52] <Dr_willis> dident i say to try mc  - about 10 min ago?
[23:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:52] <vbgunz> Dr_willis: someone did, I thought I try it. no problem. done. nice :)
[23:52] <vbgunz> thanks!
[23:56] <ibuffy> are there plans for a sugarcrm .deb anytime soon?
[23:57] <coreyman1> thanks guys i got my pc connected to network
[23:57] <coreyman1> it was getting dhcp from the wrong server.
[23:57] <coreyman1> now how do i install pidgin on kubuntu?
[23:57] <vbgunz> doesn't midnight commander have color schemes? the default is so bad I had to turn my brightness all the way up
[23:58] <vbgunz> ahh -b is fine
[23:59] <coreyman1> noone knows?
[23:59] <mefisto__> coreyman1: sudo apt-get install pidgin ?
[23:59] <coreyman1> didnt work