[00:09] <Volkodav> nemo - not necessarily
[00:10] <nemo> Volkodav: hm? :)
[00:10] <Volkodav> You do not have to have boot partition - it is wise to have one
[00:10] <nemo> yeah. no kidding? :)
[00:10] <nemo> why is that not a default in ubuntu :D
[00:10] <nemo> was regretting it after that little incident
[00:10] <Volkodav> did you try to reinstall grub insted
[00:10] <nemo> yeah. grub kept mucking up even after reinstall.
[00:10] <Volkodav> the jaunty's grub is patched for ext4
[00:10] <nemo> grub2 though works great
[00:11] <nemo> oh. hmmm
[00:11] <nemo> well. I ran grub-pc as he suggested anyway
[00:11] <nemo> it might have just updated the menus, not rerun grub setup
[00:11] <nemo> oh well.
[00:11] <nemo> Volkodav: if jaunty's grub is patched for ext4, why'd I have problems in the first place?
[00:12] <nemo> BTW, it didn't happen immediately after updating to ext4. nope. was a couple of reboots later :-p
[00:12] <nemo> anyway. grub2 works, so all good.
[00:12] <Volkodav> well you kewl then
[00:12] <Volkodav> at least it is not ext4 to blame
[00:13]  * Volkodav hates reboots
[00:16] <nemo> Volkodav: why do you think it isn't ext4? :)
[00:16] <nemo> maybe the jaunty patch isn't quite right.
[00:16] <fosco_> it is ok here
[00:18] <eternal_p> hey all...just getting going with Jaunty...everything is working fine, except the firefox bookmark, toolbar fonts are huge!  any way to correct that
[00:19] <Volkodav> nemo because you said once grub2 installed you booted the system &
[00:19] <fosco_> eternal_p: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HugeFonts
[00:19] <nemo> Volkodav: oh. misunderstood what you meant. yeah. the ext4 *partition* is fine
[00:19] <nemo> I still think grub itself had probs with ext4
[00:20] <nemo> now, maybe the update to jaunty did not itself reinstall grub...
[00:20] <DanaG> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=426788
[00:20] <DanaG> Yeah, Firefox'
[00:20] <DanaG> DPI scaling is broken.
[00:25] <eternal_p> fosco_: thanks but there is no answer there
[00:28] <eternal_p> DanaG: thanks...
[00:32] <eternal_p> DanaG: this seems like an old bug, no?
[00:33] <DanaG> Old, but still present!
[00:33] <danbhfive> Is there a page that talks about how to update a system with a livecd?  like, what partition points do I have to mount?
[00:33] <DanaG> danbhfive: you have to mount the root somewhere, then mount -o bind /proc /TARGET/proc and mount -o bind /dev /TARGET/dev
[00:33] <DanaG> and same for sys, perhaps.
[00:34] <DanaG> Where TARGET is wherever you mounted the other thing.
[00:34] <danbhfive> mk, cool, thanks
[00:34] <DanaG> Then chroot into /TARGET
[00:34] <DanaG> The two binds are key.
[00:35] <DowopDiDo> wusup
[00:35] <DowopDiDo>  i have a big problem, I messed up my ubuntu instalation so now it wont boot, it will get past the loading screen then go black.  Anyway, I want to reinstall ubuntu but I cant untill I get my files back.  so here I am on a live cd trying to get my files, the only problem is, I think when I installed jaunty it incripted all my files or something because when I try to get into the home folder it says access denied or something.  So How
[00:35] <DowopDiDo> (12:27:35 AM) ActionParsnip: servo888: use gmd / slim and select kde as your session
[00:37] <danbhfive> DanaG: is the bind option so /proc etc is available at both mount points?
[00:37] <DowopDiDo> =/
[00:37] <danbhfive> shoot, left
[00:38] <DowopDiDo> I need helpppp
[00:38] <danbhfive> DowopDiDo: can you pastebin the exact error?
[00:39] <DowopDiDo> ok
[00:40] <DowopDiDo> Well, actually, its when I try to get into my user folder (Luke).  "you do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Luke"."
[00:40] <DowopDiDo> thats exactly what it says
[00:41] <danbhfive> maybe you don't have permissions.  Try with root permissions, (or pastebin an ls -al)
[00:41] <DowopDiDo> Can you tell me how to do that?
[00:41] <DowopDiDo> Well, i dont think its that actually
[00:41] <danbhfive> are you using a terminal?
[00:42] <DowopDiDo> When I installed jaunty, it gave me the option to encrypt my files just in case my computer got stolen, so yeah.  I chose that option
[00:43] <danbhfive> hmmm, I dunno about that.  I would figure that you would at least be able to backup the encrypted files
[00:43] <DowopDiDo> Yeah, I cant do anything with them
[00:44] <danbhfive> gota go, soryr
[00:45] <DowopDiDo> 0=
[00:55] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[01:36] <DanaG> ** (notify-osd:6723): WARNING **: bubble_recalc_size(): WARNING, no layout!!!
[01:36] <DanaG> ** (notify-osd:6723): CRITICAL **: load_icon: assertion `info' failed
[01:38] <DanaG> so now instead of black notifications... I have no notifications at all.
[01:39] <Veinor> awesome
[01:40] <DanaG> ... but only for some things: volume and brightness.
[01:40] <DanaG> Gotta' love this newfangled notification system.
[01:40] <DanaG> It's also unthemeable.
[01:40] <Veinor> still in beta, isn't it?
[01:41] <Veinor> er, at the very least, I know it's not done yet
[01:41] <DanaG> But the unthemeability is supposedly by design:
[01:41] <crdlb> the distro is in development; the software it ships needs to be finished much earlier in the cycle :)
[01:41] <Veinor> crdlb: true, true
[01:42] <Veinor> i'll be happy once they get it to display on the monitor the pointer is on
[01:42] <Veinor> also once this weird 'flicker' I've noticed is fixed
[01:42] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD
[01:42] <DanaG> Note the thing about fixed background color.
[01:43] <Veinor> yeah, under compiz instead of fading away gracefully it fades away then flickers back
[01:43] <crdlb> you probably need to reset your animation settings
[01:43] <crdlb> for some idiotic reason, it tries to fade itself instead of letting compiz do it
[01:44] <DanaG> Under metacity, it just plain doesn't fade at all.
[01:44] <Veinor> ah
[01:44] <Veinor> I'll see if it still does that with animation off
[01:44] <Veinor> then report
[01:44] <Veinor> and yeah, themability should be a feature
[01:44] <Veinor> that's one of the reasons I don't like the current notification-daemon; cause it looks like ass
[01:45] <crdlb> there is no standard way to indicate that a window does its own effects, so they hacked it by adding somethinig like !name=notify-osd to animation's default match
[01:45] <crdlb> which won't work if you've modified any of those window match settings
[01:45]  * DanaG switches to straciatella session.
[01:46] <Veinor> that's indeed it
[01:46] <crdlb> you can just reset the effect settings on Close Animations
[01:46] <Veinor> haha, i can't grab the window name
[01:47] <crdlb> indeed
[01:47] <Veinor> that's silly
[01:47] <crdlb> menus have the same problem
[01:47] <crdlb> in thise case, it shapes away input so that you can click through it
[01:48] <Veinor> in most cases, that's a definite feature
[01:48] <Veinor> but yeah, now they just need to fix it so that it always appears on the screen with the monitor
[01:48] <Veinor> er
[01:48] <Veinor> with the pointer
[01:48] <crdlb> the default rule matches by title=notify-osd, which isn't good
[01:49] <Veinor> i just added a high-priority name=notify-osd 'none' rule
[01:49] <Veinor> all is good
[01:50] <Veinor> but yeah, right now that dual-screen but is the only thing keeping me from using notify-osd by default
[02:01] <Veinor> i hope the whole 'turn buttoned alerts into dialog boxes' thing can be disabled
[02:02] <crdlb> yeah, use gnome-stracciatella
[02:03] <Veinor> an intuitive name if i've ever heard one
[02:03] <crdlb> easy to spell, too
[02:05] <DanaG> sounds like a pastry.
[02:05] <DanaG> have I shown you the glassy-bleu theme?  Probably zillions of times.
[02:06] <Veinor> sorry, I only use dark themes. *is a walking GTK compatibility nightmare*
[02:07] <DanaG> It IS a dark theme.
[02:07]  * crdlb waits for it
[02:07] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot
[02:07] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png
[02:07] <DanaG> sorry, lost a part of the paste on the first one.  Second one is the link.
[02:12] <Veinor> eh, I don't like it
[02:12] <DanaG> Also, OpenOffice fails with it.
[02:12] <Veinor> also, how in gods name can you stand to have your icons all fucked up on the top panel? D:
[02:12] <DanaG> Black text on black backgrounds.
[02:12] <DanaG> I don't use that theme.  =þ
[02:13] <DanaG> Though my panel really is that cluttered.
[02:13] <nickrud> oh my eyes
[02:13] <DanaG> That's from HP's "Mobile Internet Experience".
[02:13] <Veinor> what
[02:13] <DanaG> and they have tweaks, such as disabling the gnome themes tab.  =P
[02:14] <Veinor> what
[02:14] <Veinor> how is that a 'tweak'
[02:14] <Veinor> does that mean you're stuck with that theme?
[02:14] <DanaG> ... if you happen to use Hardy, and use their "dennis" version of the gnome things.
[02:14] <DanaG> But, if you add it just as a source repo, you can grab and build just the theme, and nothing else.
[02:15] <DanaG> I prefer my rather bright orange.
[02:15] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot.png
[02:15] <DanaG> ... though I've change the background to one a bit less flamboyant.
[02:17] <Veinor> I seriously do use a dark theme.
[02:17] <Veinor> It's purdy.
[02:17] <Slartibartfast> Seems apport itself gives me a lot of crashes
[02:18] <Slartibartfast> must have something to do with the python upgrade
[02:23] <hggdh> probably
[02:48] <DowopDiDo> Yo
[02:50] <kernco> Network manager keeps having to reconnect my wireless.  It seems to happen every 15 to 30 minutes on average.  I have a fairly old D-Link PCI wireless card and am connecting to a Verizon fios router with WEP.  Any ideas how to diagnose this?  Signal strength is good, so I don't think that's the problem.
[02:51] <crdlb> wep? why bother? :)
[02:52] <kernco> Yeah I know, lol.  Verizon routers don't support WPA for some crazy reason
[02:52] <crdlb> really?
[02:52] <kernco> mhmm
[02:52] <crdlb> my rev D does
[02:52] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[02:53] <DanaG> yargh.
[02:53] <DowopDiDo> Is there anyone really smart here that can help me fix a problem that no one else seams to be able to fix?  Yes or no question
[02:54] <DowopDiDo> Well, here's my problem anyway,  I messed up my ubuntu instalation so now it wont boot, it will get past the loading screen then go black.  Anyway, I want to reinstall ubuntu but I cant untill I get my files back.  so here I am on a live cd trying to get my files, the only problem is, I think when I installed jaunty it incripted all my files or something because when I try to get into the home folder it says access denied or somethin
[02:54] <Volkodav> I still can not get some apps installed with this python upgrade
[02:54] <Volkodav> mirage: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[02:54] <Volkodav> E: Broken packages
[02:55] <DowopDiDo> Arg
[02:55] <kernco> DowopDiDo: Are you using the GUI or command line?
[02:56] <DowopDiDo> I dont know what that is
[02:56] <DowopDiDo> Well, not the command line
[02:56] <crdlb> Volkodav: I haven't hit any, but I guess they might not be done; make sure you're using archive.ubuntu.com and are uptodate
[02:56] <DanaG> hmm, if his system won't boot, he'll have to chroot.
[02:57] <DowopDiDo> ok, whats that?
[02:58] <DanaG> !http://cutecomputer.wordpress.com/2007/01/07/howto-dev-file-system-in-chroot-ed-environment/
[02:58] <DanaG> er, !
[02:59] <DowopDiDo> ok, so what do I do then?
[02:59] <DanaG> do what it says, though with corrections.
[02:59] <DanaG> the mount --bind things
[02:59] <DanaG> You'll want to find where your installed system's root is.
[02:59]  * DanaG has to boot Windows to run something not wine-able.
[03:00] <DanaG> yargh.
[03:01] <billybigrigger> does anyone here run mysql?
[03:01] <billybigrigger> the process mysqld_safe is using %100 cpu and i dont know why...
[03:01] <billybigrigger> sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop
[03:02] <billybigrigger> doesn't kill it either
[03:02] <DowopDiDo> is there a way to like resize my ubuntu partition without deleting all my data?
[03:02] <maco> DowopDiDo: yes, gparted can do it
[03:03] <DowopDiDo> It never seems to work with me, I dont really know how to do it
[03:03] <crdlb> of course you shouldn't rely on it working (ie have a backup)
[03:06] <lanoxx> DowopDiDo, if the drive mounted it wont work, you should boot into a live cd
[03:07] <DowopDiDo> what do you mean?
[03:07] <DowopDiDo> the gparted live cd?
[03:11] <Volkodav> crdlb, deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu jaunty partner <== this one you mean ?
[03:11] <crdlb> no
[03:12] <Volkodav> ?
[03:12] <crdlb> I mean main, restricted, universe, and multiverse
[03:13] <Volkodav> yeah
[03:13] <Volkodav> those are all good
[03:13] <crdlb> they're http://archive.ubuntu.com/... ?
[03:13] <Volkodav> about 2 weeks ago updating it requested to remove some packages and now I can not get them installed again with this error
[03:15] <Volkodav> us.archive yes
[03:15] <crdlb> which is a mirror
[03:15] <Volkodav> right
[03:15] <Volkodav> and all up to date
[03:16] <Volkodav> deluge mirage and some others were removed
[03:16] <crdlb> it's a good idea when using a development version to use the main ubuntu archive at http://archive.ubuntu.com
[03:16] <Volkodav> it's just the us server that's all
[03:17] <Volkodav> makes no difference really
[03:19] <crdlb> but it takes longer for you to get packages
[03:19] <crdlb> I use a local mirror with relased versions, but not with ubuntu+1
[03:21] <DanaG> I use both local mirror and official mirror.
[03:21] <DanaG> Local mirror listed first in sources.list makes it preferred for same-version packages.
[03:21] <crdlb> oh, you could do that :)
[03:22] <Volkodav> well I changed to the main server
[03:22] <Volkodav> see what happens
[03:22] <Volkodav> doubt it will help though
[03:22] <Volkodav> those pacgakes need to be rebuild against newer version of python
[03:23] <crdlb> yes, it looks like python-libtorrent needs to be rebuilt
[03:24] <Volkodav> I wonder how
[03:41] <cdm10> :-/ UI freeze is in 2 days. Are they going to respect that? 'cause... stuff kinda needs some work.
[03:44] <crdlb> cdm10: what exactly, the notifications?
[03:45] <cdm10> crdlb: that's one thing I feel is a bit rushed... also, the messaging applet.
[03:46] <cdm10> now we have Pidgin's normal notification area applet, the semi-useful messaging applet, AND status-changing in the user-switcher menu.
[03:46] <cdm10> it feels kinda bloaty... I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this.
[03:47] <crdlb> meh, they should have targeted this stuff for karmic instead of jaunty
[03:48] <cdm10> I agree... I feel like they do a lot of this to lend hype to a new release.
[03:48] <DanaG> oh, and now Log Out is not available in the Gnome menus.
[03:48] <cdm10> I mean, if you read the NotifyOSD spec, it lists a ton of applications that need to be fixed to work right with the new notifications.
[03:49]  * DanaG now has NO notifications of volume changes.
[03:49] <DanaG> Not blank... just none at all.
[03:51] <cdm10> yay :-/
[03:53] <DanaG> yup.
[03:53] <DanaG> I do really like the login theme, though -- it's classy.
[03:53] <cdm10> well, hopefully they will return at some point... stuff breaks.
[03:54] <cdm10> why have they never used a login theme with a facebrowser as default?
[03:54] <DanaG> I also don't like how the bubbles come the way the Model T Ford came....
[03:54] <DanaG> (get the reference?)
[03:54] <cdm10> DanaG: I do not.
[03:54] <DanaG> Only one color: black.  =P
[03:54] <cdm10> lol
[03:54] <cdm10> !lol | cdm10
[03:54] <cdm10> ...that's new.
[03:54] <DanaG> I don't see anything wrong with lol.
[03:55] <cdm10> ubottu did not like what I just did.
[03:56] <cdm10> first, applications started using the notification area for things that were decidedly not notifications (pidgin, transmission, pretty much everything... although it started long before those)
[03:56] <cdm10> ...so now we're eliminating the use of the notification area for actual persistent notifications?
[03:56] <cdm10> i don't get it.
[03:58] <DanaG> !info gnome-session-stracciatella
[03:58] <DanaG> !info gnome-session-straciatella
[03:58] <DanaG> argh, shows how easy it is to speeleele the thing.
[03:58] <DanaG> =P
[03:58] <DanaG> !info gnome-session-stracciatela
[03:58] <DanaG> !info gnome-session-straciatela
[03:59]  * DanaG gives up.
[03:59] <crdlb> gnome-stracciatella-session
[04:00] <crdlb> it's not _that_ hard to spell
[04:05] <nickrud> yeah, but what does it _mean_? (looked up what it does already)
[04:06] <nickrud> nm
[04:06] <nickrud> misspelled soup
[04:07] <Amaranth> it's a somewhat vanilla GNOME setup
[04:07] <DanaG> crdlb: ah, I transposed two words.
[04:08] <nickrud> picked up that so far. does the wiki page include all alternative components?
[04:08] <crdlb> it's named after the italian version of chocolate chip ice cream
[04:08] <nickrud> I'm so far behind on everything I might as well start there
[04:08] <DanaG> dang, now I'm hungry.
[04:09] <Amaranth> it's almost vanilla but there are these ubuntu (chocolate) bits in it :)
[04:09] <nickrud> yeah, I read that caveat ;)
[04:10] <nickrud> but expecting a true vanilla anywhere is silly
[04:11]  * DanaG wonders when ATI will release a new fglrx... and if it'll be just as broken as the other fglrx have been for me on Intrepid.
[04:11] <crdlb> afaict, all it does is turn off notify-osd in favor of notification-daemon, and make the indicator applet a no-op
[04:11] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[04:12] <DanaG> ... with a stacktrace, too. =P
[04:12] <Amaranth> crdlb: I thought it changed the theme and stuff too
[04:12] <crdlb> maybe, I already switched to clearlooks :)
[04:13]  * DanaG uses the Nodoka engine.
[04:16] <DanaG> My EliteBook has lots of interesting quirks that have yet to be dealt with for Linux.
[04:21] <DanaG> danged fuggleruxx.
[04:21] <DanaG> fglrx.
[04:21] <DanaG> how do you pronounce that, anyway?
[04:21] <DanaG> Almost sounds like stifled swearing.
[04:21] <crdlb> eff gee el are ex
[04:21] <cdm10> I like fuggleruxx better.
[04:21] <DanaG> argh, that *fglrx* thing
[04:23] <crdlb> speaking of fglrx, 'xorg-driver-fglrx' isn't a great pkgname
[04:23] <DanaG> I just wonder why fglrx is broken for me, even in Intrepid.
[04:23] <DanaG> Something funky going on there.
[04:23] <cdm10> crdlb: what's wrong witht he package name?
[04:24] <DanaG> Doesn't fit standards.
[04:24] <DanaG> xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[04:24] <crdlb> it doesn't contain 'ati'
[04:24] <DanaG> for example.
[04:24] <cdm10> aha
[04:24] <crdlb> no, that would imply it's an official X driver
[04:24] <DanaG> ah.
[04:24] <DanaG> Perhaps it should be xorg-driver-ati-fglrx
[04:24] <crdlb> technically the 'r' stands for radeon, but nobody knows that :)
[04:24] <DanaG> fgl is FireGL, of course.
[04:25] <crdlb> I can't count the number of intel users who have installed fglrx
[04:25] <cdm10> crdlb: why would one do that?
[04:25] <crdlb> I have no idea
[04:25] <BonezAU> Hi all, am running Jaunty Alpha5 and having problem installing Google Earth from Medibuntu. Error says "googleearth: Depends: googleearth-4.2 but it is not installable or googleearth-4.3 but it is not installable" Any tips on how I can install it via repo? Would rather do it through medibuntu than the alternative script installer available directly from google
[04:28] <crdlb> at least it has 'fglrx' in the name
[04:28] <alex_mayorga> is pulse audio meant to be the jaunty default?
[04:28] <crdlb> alex_mayorga: it has been since hardy, hasn't it?
[04:29] <alex_mayorga> crdlb, how do I confirm?
[04:29] <crdlb> confirm what?
[04:30] <alex_mayorga> that I have pulseaudio, my audio still shows (Alsa mixer)
[04:30]  * DanaG wishes PulseAudio would use BOTH capture channels of my hda-intel card.
[04:31] <DanaG> It can actually capture from two different sources at the same time, independently.
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> well my whole point is that my bluetooth headphones still don't seem to work in jaunty
[04:32] <DanaG> .... and PA gives no way to choose any of those.
[04:32] <DanaG> Yeah, Linux BT audio is just plain broken, I believe.
[04:32] <DanaG> It's never worked well for me.
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> Also my control still says "Volume Applet 2.25.91" is that OK?
[04:34] <alex_mayorga> It also says its "Using GStreamer 0.10"
[04:36] <alex_mayorga> so I guess I don't have pulse, do I?
[04:37] <crdlb> you do
[04:39] <alex_mayorga> how do I route audio to my bluetooth headphones then?
[04:39] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: any pointers?
[04:40] <DanaG> Beats me.
[04:40] <Volkodav> BonezAU, get the deb package from synaptic and it will install the latest 5 version
[04:41] <DanaG> In fact, I can't even seem to make an rfcomm connection in Gnome.
[04:41] <Volkodav> I have font problem with ver 5
[04:43] <BonezAU> Volkodav, which deb package are you referring to
[04:43] <BonezAU> and where would I be likely to find it
[04:44] <BonezAU> After performing a full search for google in Synaptic the only thing related to google earth is the medibuntu version (i have universe/multiverse etc enabled too)
[04:45] <dlynch> is anyone else noticing their mousewheel (perhaps on their touchpad) is not working?
[04:49] <dlynch> I guess not :) I have no idea which package I should be suggesting is at fault when I make a bug report. Any suggestions?
[04:56] <Volkodav> googleearth
[06:35] <AnRkey> what command is used to bring up the run application box that I get when I push alt+f2?
[06:35] <crdlb> there isn't a command per se
[06:36] <AnRkey> crdlb, a way to call it via command line?
[06:36] <crdlb> on gnome your window manager (either compiz or metacity) sends an X ClientMessage which the gnome-panel listens for and shows the dialog
[06:37] <AnRkey> crdlb, i want to add a "start > run" option for some winblows users
[06:37] <crdlb> you can use gnome-panel-control --run-dialog
[06:37] <d1g1t> is search broken in gedit?
[06:37] <crdlb> which is somewhat bizarrely included with openbox
[06:38] <crdlb> I guess because openbox gnome users need it
[06:38] <crdlb> d1g1t: it does appear so
[06:38] <AnRkey> crdlb, what all can gnome-panel-control do?
[06:38] <d1g1t> oh :(
[06:38]  * AnRkey wonders if it could do other cool stuff
[06:38] <crdlb> the only other switch is --main-menu
[06:39] <crdlb> which wouldn't help, I think :>
[06:39] <AnRkey> what does the main menu switch do me wonders
[06:39] <AnRkey> thanks crdlb  :)
[06:40] <crdlb> I don't think that came out right :)
[06:40] <AnRkey> :)
[06:41] <AnRkey> is there no way to get it a run dialog box without installing an extra addon?
[06:41] <AnRkey> i need this kinds standard
[06:41] <AnRkey> soz, i'm being special this morning
[06:41] <crdlb> d1g1t: I figured out a workaround
[06:42] <Hobbsee> my run dialog doesn't work.  I wonder why
[06:42] <d1g1t> if you could somehow emulate a alt+f2
[06:42] <AnRkey> people talking to me while i chat
[06:42] <crdlb> d1g1t: just choose something from the dropdown and it suddenly works
[06:42] <AnRkey> but surely there is a simple way to call this prompt?
[06:42] <crdlb> Hobbsee: you're not using gnome and compiz are you? :)
[06:42] <Hobbsee> crdlb: yes
[06:43] <DanaG> hmm, google for "dbus gnome run dialog"
[06:43] <crdlb> is there a dbus interface?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> crdlb: also, my devilspie for some reason can't count.
[06:43] <DanaG> Maybe.
[06:43] <Hobbsee> or at least, gets workspace "1" wrong.  any idea why?
[06:43] <AnRkey> DanaG, thanks
[06:43] <AnRkey> crdlb, thanks
[06:43] <DanaG> I seem to remember using it once, when running gnome stuff in xfce.
[06:43] <crdlb> Hobbsee: the alt-f1/f2 code is now in a plugin instead of being handled by the decorator
[06:44] <crdlb> the latest compiz-wrapper package attempts to force loading of the gnomecompat plugin, but it doesn't appear to actually _work_
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ah.  oh dear.
[06:45] <crdlb> I didn't think it would or I'd have suggested that to mvo when I first realized this was going to be painful
[06:45] <AnRkey> DanaG, i don't know dbus to well
[06:45] <AnRkey> too
[06:45] <crdlb> bah, I opened devhelp instead of d-feet
[06:45] <d1g1t> crdlb: lol thanks
[06:47]  * Hobbsee tries smacking it with the importance stick, for a fix
[06:47] <crdlb> compiz configuration sucks so badly :/
[06:48] <AnRkey> i just wish it would stay standard
[06:48] <AnRkey> my config file never imports correctly
[06:48] <AnRkey> makes me want to cry when i have to set it up all over again on a new box
[06:49] <crdlb> the biggest single issue is that the plugin list is a single setting, so ubuntu can't just introduce a new plugin and enable it by default
[06:49] <crdlb> since many users have already modified that list, even if only by choosing 'extra'
[06:51] <Hobbsee> darn
[06:51] <Hobbsee> thank goodness for gnome-do! but still
[06:52] <Hobbsee> crdlb: oh, and any idea why my home and end keys don't work in vim anymore?
[06:52] <crdlb> and even that wouldn't work for gnomecompat unless you wanted to enable it for kde users too
[06:52] <Hobbsee> ;)
[06:52] <crdlb> lol
[06:52] <Hobbsee> do any kde users actually use compiz?  they have kwin
[06:52] <crdlb> btw, you can just enable gnome compatibility in ccsm as a workaround
[06:52] <crdlb> I just mean !gnome
[06:52] <chronic> does any of you know of the name of the WDM that can do stuff like compiz but without 3d acceleration???
[06:52] <CosmiChaos> My firefox startpage is loaded without images and scripts but ONLY when i start firefox, after reload everything is fine, any ideas
[06:53] <crdlb> chronic: what does WDM stand for?
[06:53] <Hobbsee> crdlb: window manager, i think
[06:53] <chronic> crdlb, windows desktop manager
[06:54] <Hobbsee> crdlb: oh sweet, thanks
[06:55] <crdlb> chronic: I don't know of anything that can do compiz-like features without hardware acceleration
[06:55] <crdlb> kwin has an XRender mode (though I don't know how many features work without 3d), but even that needs some acceleration for reasonable performance
[06:56] <Hobbsee> the Xrender mode seems to work fine, and can still use the features
[06:57]  * DanaG sees WDM as Windows Driver Model.
[06:57] <DanaG> =P
[06:57] <DanaG> WM is Window Manager.
[07:03] <AnRkey> DanaG, can you give me a shove in the right direction with this dbus thingy? I want to simply call the run dialog box
[07:05] <crdlb> there's an org.gnome.Panel service, but according to d-feet, it has no methods
[07:08] <AnRkey> i found a little .c file that can be compiled to make a gnome-ran bin but that's like using a bazooka to kill a fly,imho
[07:08] <crdlb> well, if you're going to do that, just steal gnome-panel-control from openbox
[07:09] <DanaG> AnRkey: yeah, I think that .c file was what it was when I did it, also.
[07:09] <AnRkey> DanaG, gonna see if i can get it to run without anything extra being needed
[07:09] <crdlb> ??
[07:09] <crdlb> gnome-panel-control doesn't have any extra deps
[07:15] <CosmiChaos> will we get e4progs for jaunty to defrag our ext4?
[07:16] <AnRkey> crdlb, i'm not saying it does, i just think that down loading that and extracting it is a mission. Well... in comparison to doing a quick compile. Plus there is a tweak to the .c file that can make the window focused, so u just start typing :)
[07:16] <crdlb> it already gets focused
[07:16] <AnRkey> CosmiChaos, how much cooler/better is ext4 anyway? worth the upgrade?
[07:17] <AnRkey> crdlb, gonna try both then
[07:17] <AnRkey> crdlb, thanks for all your help :)
[07:17] <CosmiChaos> AnRkey: its worth it, its absolutely stable, i didnt lossed any data vor all the alpha weeks now, and i sometimes hardreset my pc during boot ;)
[07:17] <CosmiChaos> AnRkey: it gaves my a higher maximum peak for reading
[07:18] <CosmiChaos> AnRkey: and for third i can delte files 15x faster :)
[07:18]  * crdlb wouldn't use ext4 before karmic at the earliest
[07:18] <CosmiChaos> crdlb: why?
[07:18] <crdlb> but I'm silly; I don't like to bugtest filesystems :)
[07:19] <CosmiChaos> hadnt any bug yet
[07:19] <crdlb> and until it does, you're fine :)
[07:20] <AnRkey> CosmiChaos, i manage loooooads of .doc files so deleting/moving/copying many files faster is always good
[07:20] <CosmiChaos> crdlb: always good to be able to rollback your system within minutes ;)
[07:20] <d-b> hi there i have a question. can i make a live usb of jaunty ?
[07:20] <CosmiChaos> AnRkey: than ext4 will definetly be an advantage for you
[07:20] <AnRkey> yeah, crdlb my data is soooo valuable to me, wont just make the move
[07:21] <d-b> but i would like to do it from apt sources -> my iso has no iso for me to download, what tool should i use to make a usb / cd ?
[07:21] <CosmiChaos> pu**ie* :D
[07:21] <AnRkey> CosmiChaos, gonna do some more spectating before I do the upgrade
[07:21] <d-b> + is any one ext4, is it much faster / less cpu intensive ?
[07:22] <CosmiChaos> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_benchmarks&num=1
[07:23] <peter125> I decided to not install GRUB when i installed jaunty because i wanted to leave my existing grub untouched. Now, grub freezes when i try to boot jaunty
[07:23] <peter125> (i chose ext4)
[07:24] <d-b> CosmiChaos: i have been on that page, can't see anything about cpu tho
[07:24] <CosmiChaos> d-b: when more data is deliverd, logically the cpu has to to more but the hole process is finished earlier ;)
[07:25] <peter125> ok it looks like i really need jauntys grub
[07:25] <d-b> peter125: you need a /boot, grub can't boot to ext4 directly atm.
[07:25] <d-b> i think.
[07:25] <CosmiChaos> d-b: yes it can :)
[07:25] <d-b> CosmiChaos: oh really ?
[07:25] <CosmiChaos> oh wait
[07:25] <CosmiChaos> i have a /boot i dont know
[07:25] <d-b> patched ?
[07:26] <CosmiChaos> i regularly do a seperate /boot partition
[07:26] <Hobbsee> d-b: er, what?  I'm fairly sure i'm doing that now.
[07:26] <CosmiChaos> regularly installed jaunty alpha4 on ext4
[07:26] <CosmiChaos> but hey my /boot is ext4 :DD
[07:26] <CosmiChaos> so yes it works ;))
[07:26] <d-b> Hobbsee: oh ... really i was reaing an out of date wiki for ext4 then.
[07:27]  * DanaG is daring.... he uses ext4.
[07:27] <DanaG> I have backups in place, though.
[07:28] <CosmiChaos> concurrent booting from ext4 combined with sreadahead and preload really take off!
[07:28] <CosmiChaos> :D
[07:29] <d-b> so is anyone doing luks with ext4 ?
[07:29] <DanaG> sreadahead did nothing for me.
[07:29] <DanaG> ... aside from removing readahead and ubuntu-desktop.
[07:29] <CosmiChaos> d-b: no but i will as soon as i can get the first via nano dual core ;)
[07:29]  * Hobbsee is only using ext4 for / at the moment.  considering getting rid of intrepid, converting the /home to ext4, and encrypting it
[07:29] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: it is faster than readahead, have you installed preload also=
[07:30] <DanaG> For me, sreadahead resulted in longer boot.  No preload installed.
[07:30] <CosmiChaos> well
[07:30] <AnRkey> crdlb, how can i download just the .deb of openbox?
[07:31] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: preload does not speed up boot, but sreadahead does and asreadahed takes advantage of preload
[07:31] <crdlb> AnRkey: out of curiosity, why don't you just apt-get it and remove it when you're done?
[07:31] <CosmiChaos> give it a try across profiling your kernel
[07:31] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: apt-get -d install openbox, iirc
[07:32] <d-b> Hobbsee: so you have backported the 2.6.28 kernel ?
[07:33] <Hobbsee> d-b: no - i'm tripple booting, and currently running jaunty.
[07:33] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: also you should considere taking advantage of the kernel for multi-core boot (Concurrency) which preloads and sreadahead benefit from
[07:33]  * crdlb doesn't really have enough HDD space for that
[07:34]  * d-b has the hard disk space but asks why.
[07:34] <Hobbsee> crdlb: how big?
[07:34] <crdlb> 60GB
[07:34] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, where is it downloading to though?
[07:34]  * Hobbsee used to routinely do it for 40gb.  80's nicer, though
[07:34] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: pwd
[07:35] <crdlb> I could have gotten 80, but I wanted 7200RPM
[07:35] <Hobbsee> d-b: windows for an odd bit of gaming, and some uni stuff occasionally; stable ubuntu, development ubuntu.
[07:36] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, nope
[07:36] <crdlb> I haven't actually tried my windows partition since installing ubuntu (switching from another distro)
[07:37] <Hobbsee> hrm, they should be there, i thought
[07:37] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, found it
[07:37] <Hobbsee> try /var/cache/apt/archives, then
[07:37] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:37] <AnRkey> snap
[07:37] <AnRkey> t:)
[07:37] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[07:38] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, u have just sorted another problem of mine too :)
[07:39] <Hobbsee> \o/
[07:39] <AnRkey> i needed to download all my packages for inclusion in to my local repo for a pxe server
[07:39] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[07:40] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, I dont suppose u know how to "inject" them in to my mirror and regen my packages file?
[07:40] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: not beyond reprepo, falcon, or similar.
[07:40] <AnRkey> i guess i have some readon to do on those then, thanks :)
[07:41] <DanaG> hmm, how do you do that concurrency thing?
[07:41] <AnRkey> reading*
[07:41]  * DanaG wishes SSDs weren't so *fglrx*ing expensive.  There, I just used fglrx as a swear word.  =P
[07:41] <DanaG> It works.
[07:41] <AnRkey> geek
[07:42] <AnRkey> :)
[07:42] <AnRkey> i don't know what it is about being called a geek that just gets me so worked up
[07:42] <quentusrex> What would cause munin to suddenly stop accepting connections from a remote host on port 4949?
[07:42] <AnRkey> we are the new alphas!
[07:43] <AnRkey> quentusrex, someone playing with iptables :)
[07:43] <quentusrex> Ubuntu seems to have started dropping all connections for 4949, and for ports that don't have services,
[07:43] <quentusrex> ssh works, http works
[07:43] <quentusrex> etc
[07:44] <quentusrex> but all other connections just timeout...
[07:45] <quentusrex> AnRkey: could you help me debug this issue?
[07:45] <quentusrex> nobody should have changed something in iptables...
[07:45]  * DanaG is glad to have serial-over-LAN...
[07:46] <DanaG> even if I had a "drop all packets".... I still have serial console.
[07:46] <AnRkey> quentusrex, i'm the wrong guy bud soz, iptables is a firewall and I was joking with you :) soz
[07:46] <AnRkey> DanaG, what device u using? sounds handy
[07:46] <DanaG> It's a feature of some Intel boards.
[07:47] <DanaG> Intel AMT is the marketing name.
[07:47] <DanaG> Or "VPro"  or "Centrino Pro"
[07:47] <AnRkey> oh ok, naah, cheaper to get a serial to lan box
[07:47] <quentusrex> AnRkey: for some reason I think you might be right...
[07:47] <quentusrex> it seems like a firewall problem...
[07:47] <Hobbsee> quentusrex: did you turn on ufw?
[07:47] <quentusrex> ufw isn't installed
[07:47] <AnRkey> quentusrex, u can flush iptables with sudo iptables -F
[07:47] <Hobbsee> it is by default, i thought
[07:47] <AnRkey> a reboot should restore it
[07:48] <AnRkey> quentusrex, before u do that, use sudo iptables -L to see what is in iptables
[07:48] <quentusrex> flushed and rebooted....
[07:48] <quentusrex> so far no change...
[07:48] <AnRkey> no man, rebooting will restore the iptables :)
[07:49] <quentusrex> I'm testing 9.04 in a virtual enviroment
[07:49] <quentusrex> AnRkey: right,
[07:49] <quentusrex> neither the flush, nor the reboot fixed it.
[07:49] <AnRkey> quentusrex, iptables -L
[07:49] <AnRkey> quentusrex, paste the output to here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[07:50] <AnRkey> send us the link
[07:50] <quentusrex> Alright, so. I am telnetting from server A to server B , it works. from A to C doesn't(port 4949)
[07:50] <quentusrex> but from C to C works
[07:50] <AnRkey> crdlb, i download the openbox .deb file and extracted the bin, working perfectly on it's own on another box
[07:50] <quentusrex> hmm
[07:50] <quentusrex> C to C on localhost works...
[07:50] <quentusrex> C to C on public ip, doesn't...
[07:51] <quentusrex> I might have found the issue...
[07:52] <quentusrex> nvm
[07:53] <quentusrex> C to C on public ip works.
[07:53] <quentusrex> so, from A to C on 4949 fails.
[07:53] <quentusrex> from B to C on 4949 fails
[08:23] <DanaG> ugh: http://www.winsupersite.com/alt/safari4.asp
[08:23] <DanaG> you ain't seen ugly until you 'seen' that.
[08:31] <AnRkey> how can i add an entry to the applications menu from the cli?
[08:32] <crdlb> global or user?
[08:38] <crdlb> AnRkey: if global, then you need to create .desktop file in /usr/share/applications; if local, then you need to do the same in ~/.local/share/applications
[08:40] <AnRkey> so i can create a .desktop file and copy it to that location with my script?
[08:40] <crdlb> yes
[08:40] <AnRkey> shweet, thanks
[08:40] <AnRkey> i love this #
[08:41] <AnRkey> this is for a company that told M$ to take a walk and came to me for ubuntu :)
[08:43] <quentusrex> is it possible to disable iptables?
[08:44] <joaopinto> quentusrex, sudo /etc/init.d/iptables stop
[08:47] <AnRkey> quentusrex, i know this is a noobish question, but can u ping this virtual machine?
[08:47] <quentusrex> how do you drop the last rule in PUB_IN ?
[08:47] <quentusrex> AnRkey: yes, I can ping the machine,
[08:47] <quentusrex> I can also get into http, and ssh
[08:47] <quentusrex> but it seems that some software added a bunch of iptable rules...
[08:48] <quentusrex> without asking...
[08:48] <AnRkey> have u used netstat to see if the app is even listening?
[08:48] <quentusrex> yup
[08:48] <quentusrex> it's listening
[08:48] <quentusrex> I've found that the problem is the iptables rule...
[08:49] <AnRkey> quentusrex, what front end are you using for the iptables? where are your rules stored and restored from?
[08:49] <quentusrex> I'm using the cli
[08:49] <quentusrex> I don't know where they're stored or restored from.
[08:50] <AnRkey> you see u'r gonna remove that rule but as soon as u reboot it's gonna be back
[08:50] <quentusrex> iptables-save
[08:50] <quentusrex> :-D
[08:51] <AnRkey> if that was what the app used
[08:51] <Peddy> Is the 'find' (from ctrl-f) button broken for anyone else in gedit?
[08:51] <AnRkey> i have seen some setups use a non standard script to restore iptables, i had a box here that i had loads of trouble with where some chap had done that
[08:53] <quentusrex> F***...
[08:53] <quentusrex> yeah,
[08:53] <quentusrex> it reloaded from somewhere else...
[08:54] <quentusrex> is there any way to find what script is loading the iptables?
[08:55] <DanaG> grep iptables /etc/init.d/*
[08:55] <Peddy> quentusrex, I think it may be /etc/init.d/network
[08:55] <quentusrex> neither of those worked...
[08:55] <Peddy> networking*
[08:55] <quentusrex> right.
[09:32] <aboSamoor> Hi, I have problem reporting bugs, I have problems and I am not sure how to file them. Can you help me ?
[09:34] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: shoot
[09:34] <BUGabundo> btw guud morning guys
[09:36] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: ok, I have problem with compiz, it failed to run unless i change /usr/bin/compiz and remove local from the path. I found 2 bugs related to this problem 141621and 185891
[09:37] <BUGabundo> and?
[09:37] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: the most documented one is 141621 so I made 185891 duplicate of the old one
[09:37] <BUGabundo> ok
[09:37] <BUGabundo> and?
[09:37] <BUGabundo> bug 141621 185891
[09:37] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: But 141621 is mentioned as fix released !
[09:37] <BUGabundo> bug 185891
[09:38] <BUGabundo> if it is fixed, what's the prob?
[09:38] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: it was fixed in the past and it returned after upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04
[09:39] <rww> aboSamoor: I assume that the newest comment in 141621 is you?
[09:39] <aboSamoor> rww: yes
[09:43] <BUGabundo> ahh
[09:43] <BUGabundo> then it's a regression
[09:43] <BUGabundo> it should be unmarked as dupe
[09:44] <BUGabundo> and added the tag regression aboSamoor
[09:45] <rww> aboSamoor: might want to point it out to mvo, since it looks like he fixed it the first time around
[09:50] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: it is 185891 which marked as duplicate and not 141621
[09:50] <aboSamoor> rww: how can point that out to mvo ?
[09:51] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: rww: should fix released removed ? how can we change the status of the bug so people know that it returned after being fixed ?
[09:51] <rww> mvo: Do you happen to be around? aboSamoor would like some guidance on a bug you closed :/
[09:54] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: NO
[09:54] <BUGabundo> if it is FIX RELEASE open a new one and tag it as regression
[09:54] <BUGabundo> only the mantainer should remove FIX RELEASE
[09:55] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: Then I will file a new bug :)
[09:58] <d-b> is it safe to move from ext3 to ext4 in jaunty ? (using ext4 utilities)
[10:01] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: wasn't there alreadu one
[10:02] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: I think there is also better bug filed 222002. How can in the future search in recently filed bugs. I found this when I want to file new bug and not when I was searching for bugs
[10:03] <mvo> rww: thanks for brining this up, let me check
[10:05] <aboSamoor> mvo: I was just confused between these bugs [222002,141621,185891]
[10:08] <aboSamoor> I have also another problem. After fixing /usr/bin/compiz file I can run compiz using compiz --replace and everything is fine. The problem that compiz is not working on startup and I don't know where I can find a log for the problem.
[10:08] <mvo> BUGabundo, aboSamoor, rww: I think I know why its broken now with the xdg dirs, I will re-fix it
[10:09] <mvo> aboSamoor: check ~/.xsession-errors after a fresh startup
[10:09] <mvo> aboSamoor: its set correctly in the appearance capplet?
[10:11] <BUGabundo> my compiz is all broken
[10:11] <BUGabundo> I think I filed a bug about that mvo
[10:11] <aboSamoor> mvo: I run compiz in terminal and I can not see that appearance tab changed its choice it is still 'None'
[10:12] <BUGabundo> yeah, mine also falls back to None, after it tries
[10:12] <BUGabundo> ending with a popup saying it didn't find a driver or card for it
[10:13] <aboSamoor> for me it works after compiz --replace but it does not change the appearance- effects tab, and it does not work in startup.
[10:14] <aboSamoor> I will restart to see xsession errors file
[10:18] <BUGabundo1> mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/126217/
[10:18] <BUGabundo1> compiz_x-safe.log
[10:22] <mvo> BUGabundo1: woah, thats a new one :)
[10:22] <mvo> I wonder if aboSamoor sees the same issue
[10:25] <BUGabundo1> is it?
[10:25] <BUGabundo1> its the same I talked to you 2 weeks ago
[10:25] <BUGabundo1> and now, thanks to pythom mess, I can't even use fusionicon to start compiz
[10:25] <BUGabundo1> it was the only way it worked
[10:25] <BUGabundo1> from CLI it also fails
[10:26] <BUGabundo1> and that's from a failsafe login
[10:27] <mvo> BUGabundo1: if you did I have missed it :/
[10:28] <BUGabundo1> can't find the bug I opened! :(
[10:28] <BUGabundo1> shall I open a new one?
[10:28] <aboSamoor> mvo: I restarted my laptop. Compiz did not started even it was enabled. now I don't have decorator so mostly my laptop is not usable.
[10:29] <mvo> aboSamoor: could you paste the stuff from ~/.xsession-errors still? maybe after "alt-f2" and "metacity --replace" ?
[10:29] <mvo> aboSamoor: are you running stock ubuntu? or a flavour like ubuntu-studio?
[10:29] <mvo> BUGabundo1: let me check the source to see what the most likely cause for this problem may be
[10:31] <BUGabundo1> mvo: do you need also my session errors?
[10:31] <aboSamoor> mvo: paste.ubuntu.com/126222. I am using ubuntu and it was upgraded from 8.10
[10:32] <aboSamoor> mvo: thanks for metacity command because I could not switch between windows
[10:32] <BUGabundo1> mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/126223/ xsession... but I haven't tried compiz in a while!
[10:33] <mvo> aboSamoor: could you please paste the compete one (if you have concerns about putting it into a pastebin, you can also mail it to me "mvo(at)ubuntu.com". not all the stuff that compiz outputs is prefixed with compiz so the grep removes some information
[10:34] <Wicla> Hello. Wrote yesterday that I'm unable to connect to my wireless network. I've been testing around a bit now. It seems that I'm unable to connect to both WPA-PSK and WEP-protected networks. Any idea what might be wrong? Unprotected networks works fine.
[10:34] <Wicla> 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
[10:35] <mvo> BUGabundo1: thanks, the xsession-errors is not needed I think in your case
[10:35] <aboSamoor> mvo: this is my complete log file http://paste.ubuntu.com/126226/
[10:35] <Wicla> Started happening yessterday
[10:35] <mvo> BUGabundo1: do you always get the "Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"" ?
[10:35] <BUGabundo1> what do you mean always?
[10:36] <BUGabundo1> only the log shows tatr
[10:36] <BUGabundo1> *that
[10:36] <BUGabundo1> on the cli or using Appearance the text is diff mvo
[10:38] <mvo> aboSamoor: "gnome-session[5025]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager:	ID: /org/gnome/SessionManager/App11	app-id:compiz.desktop	is-disabled:1	is-conditionally-disabled:0" - that looks a bit odd, could you please open "gnome-session-propoerties" and check if its listed there?
[10:39] <mvo> BUGabundo1: I mean the error text, if its different when running from appearance, could you please paste that as well? that might be useful information
[10:40] <aboSamoor> mvo: I added compiz as startup application as a work around. but I disabled it because compiz must work on startup if it was enabled in the last session. Sometime this worka around works
[10:40] <aboSamoor> previous session*
[10:41] <aboSamoor> mvo: am I correct ?
[10:41] <mvo> aboSamoor: aha, ok. that explains it
[10:42] <BUGabundo1> mvo: not right now! I'm at work! can't mess my laptop... latter maybe
[10:42] <mvo> aboSamoor: do you have session management enable ("remember running app" in gnome-session-preferences)?
[10:43] <mvo> BUGabundo1: that would be nice, anytime that works for you :)
[10:43] <BUGabundo1> "Desktop effects could not be enabled"
[10:43] <BUGabundo1> that all Appearace says
[10:43] <BUGabundo1> after I try to enable Extras
[10:43] <mvo> BUGabundo1: it should print some additional stuff into ~/.xsession-errors
[10:43] <BUGabundo1> tailing it now
[10:44] <aboSamoor> mvo: you mean "Automatically remember running applications when logging out", if yes. No it is not enabled and it was not in 8.10
[10:44] <mvo> aboSamoor: thanks.
[10:44] <BUGabundo1> mvo http://paste.ubuntu.com/126228/
[10:45] <mvo> BUGabundo1: thanks! the (internal) compiz error is the same, thats good
[10:45] <BUGabundo1> this
[10:45] <BUGabundo1> Checking for Software Rasterizer: Not present.
[10:45] <BUGabundo1> and this
[10:45] <BUGabundo1> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[10:45] <mvo> (at least its consistent)
[10:45] <BUGabundo1> are not so nice!
[10:46] <mvo> aboSamoor: could you please remove compiz.desktop from session-properties (not just disable it) and see if that makes a different in the ~/.xsession-errors file?
[10:46] <BUGabundo1> FYI this is Nvidia 8400 with prop drivers ON
[10:46] <mvo> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0" <- that is the one that makes it fail
[10:46] <mvo> looks like a issue deep down
[10:48] <aboSamoor> mvo: I will enable compiz and restart ? does not log out work ?
[10:52] <mvo> aboSamoor: logout should be enough
[10:55] <aboSamoor> mvo: it works :-D. and this is the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/126230/ . can you explain what was the problem ?
[10:57] <mvo> aboSamoor: I think the porblem is gnome-session, it knows that it should use compiz as its WM but because it was also (disabled) in the autostart files it did not use it. so no window manager
[10:57] <mvo> I think thats a bug in gnome-session
[11:13] <BUGabundo1> mvo: do you have any idea why going to Guest Session from FUSA only works with Compiz ON?
[11:50] <Infecto> fiu fiu
[11:50] <Infecto> i hit compiz --replace
[11:50] <Infecto> and and
[11:50] <Infecto> b699b000-b69bb000 rw-s 341c1000 00:0e 8606       /dev/nvidia0
[11:50] <Infecto> b6aad000-b6aba000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 138871     /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
[11:50] <Infecto> bAborted (core dumped
[11:54] <BUGabundo1> mvo: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[12:25] <taggie> So, I don't know what changed in the last couple days, but my laptop battery life is nearly double what it was last week. Anybody else notice this?
[12:26] <dns53> doesn't that mean something last week was really bad that drew twice the power?
[12:29] <UbuntuUser661278> Hi. first of all sorry 4 my bad english. So... i got a problem with my "nice" new Mainbord (Biostar TF720) first of all Ubuntu seams 2 got a problem with the SATA Controller. After upgrade 8.10 wont start anymor. I found a Boot option that hepls me 2 get 9.04 live boot "pci=nomsi"
[12:29] <UbuntuUser661278> after that i tryed to install linux on a external usb device (at time of installation SDC) but it wont boot. Grub tells me something about error 2
[12:32] <UbuntuUser661278> is it possible that at installation time the devices got another order than at boot time couze of the not right working raid controller ? (SDA and SDB are a stripped volume)
[12:35] <taggie> dns53, it's been bad ever since i got this laptop (5-6 months ago) gutsy and intrepid were both bad
[12:36] <taggie> UbuntuUser, devices are mounted by their UIDs now, not by device enumerator, so that shouldn't matter.
[12:37] <dns53> it's a grub bug with the installer, grub was installed on the wrong drive and you are booting in a different order in the bios than your real hardware
[12:37] <taggie> supergrubdisk should be able to resolve that then.
[12:38] <dns53> yeah you need another cd and to install grub manually to get it working
[12:39] <dns53> the installer has problems installing to the second disk, by default it puts grub on the first disk
[12:45] <mvo> BUGabundo1: hm, the above crash looks like something with hte nvidia binary driver, sorry, no idea. for the problem you mentioned earlier on your system a bugreport would be nice
[12:45]  * Hobbsee throws a gummy bear at mvo
[12:52] <UbuntuUser661278> supergrubdisk ... wow that sounds great ! "Hilfe zur Selbsthilfe" german for Help someone to help himself :) and a gurb console on a usb-hd sound realy nice BIG THANKS
[12:55] <balchd> Hi, can someone help me troubleshoot a network problem please: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/336674
[12:57] <dns53> there where 2 ppl yesterday that reported driver problems, try an older kernel
[13:00] <balchd> dns53: ok, where can I find the older kernel packages?
[13:02] <dns53> aptitude? i'd search for kernel-image and that should have all installable kernels
[13:14] <balchd> dns53: As my problem is no network I need to download them on a different machine, but I think I've figured out how to do it via packages.ubuntu.com. Cheers.
[13:18] <dns53> you can always stick in a live cd, mount your root to /mnt then chroot to /mnt then you have network and apt avalible
[13:19] <aboSamoor> how can I test the performance of compiz and/or xserver ? I think i have low performance
[13:19] <dns53> compiz has a benchmark plugin
[13:20] <taggie> abosamoor, you can turn on benchmark plugin and see. i believe the default keys are super-f12
[13:20] <taggie> I've had really good performance after the xorg intel update yesterday.
[13:41] <AnRkey> crdlb, how do i get the main-menu applet to use my new run.desktop launcher file in the :~/.local/share/applications dir?
[13:45] <aboSamoor> it is about 150 frame/second. I think now it is problem in flash player because it is not working in good way
[13:47]  * BUGabundo catches Hobbsee gummy in mid air!
[13:49] <aboSamoor> taggie: is 150 frame/second is good for compiz ?
[13:50] <aboSamoor> dtchen_: Is there anything new for mic in ubuntu ?
[13:50] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: ping no audio again :(
[13:51] <nemo> aboSamoor: better than my 33 :-p
[13:52] <aboSamoor> nemo: 33 !! I thought it was compiz, I think I have problem with flash player
[13:53] <AnRkey> that must have been one slow moving gummy :)
[13:53] <BUGabundo> AnRkey: ROFL
[13:54] <BUGabundo> mvo: will file one then! do you want to be subscribed? against what should I file ? nvidia-glx or Xorg?
[13:55] <nemo> aboSamoor: 33 looks fine to me, although I admit my card isn't the greatest
[13:55] <nemo> aboSamoor: actually, anything over 24fps will look fine in most cases to a human
[13:55] <nemo> with exception of some interactions of various bits of 3d games
[13:55] <nemo> where the fps is not the final word
[13:55] <nemo> but I should get a new card
[13:56] <mvo> BUGabundo: compiz for now, just give me the bugnumber when its there and I will reassign/add a bugtask. please include /var/log/Xorg.0.log as well (for completness)
[13:56] <aboSamoor> mvo: should I file a bug against gnome-session for disabled compiz entry will disable compiz from running !
[13:56] <aboSamoor> nemo: I see
[13:56] <mvo> aboSamoor: sounds good to me
[14:02] <mnemo> i cant reboot in jaunty right now? is that a know issue?
[14:10] <nanonyme> A word of caution, all 1.6 branch X servers including the one Jaunty currently has have a bug that prevents X from starting at all for some users with drivers using xrandr 1.2. The fix exists in X server master and is available here http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=8a6ed44a8b2fc5f14729dc54fec17607ced03859
[14:10] <nanonyme> You do not want that bug getting into the release.
[14:12] <nanonyme> It's also in the final 1.6.0 release so don't get your hopes up of just upgrading the package to that.
[14:12] <nanonyme> That is, the bug is there.
[14:24] <vbgunz> in Kubuntu 9.04, I am not sure what happens *but* I think kwin crashes or goes bonkers at some point. All the windows become garbled and I cannot enter text into anything. luckily I use screen *but* this usually happens during a yakuake/screen session... I have a file in my home directory now I cannot delete named -> �=%23�=exit
[14:24] <scizzo-> mnemo: I believe that it would help to tell us exactly what happens when you reboot...
[14:29] <s0u][ight> hello, the sound notification doesn't work for me
[14:31] <vbgunz> the actual file name I cannot delete after this kwin/xorg crash or bonker episode of the unknown is ->   ï¿½=#ï¿½=exit.
[14:32] <vbgunz> I also notice after starting a new session, right away, kwin and xorg are both at it for cpu usage in at 15%+ each. is this normal?
[14:33] <gpd> It is 2009. I started using linux in 1998. Back then I had problems with sound. Now IHAVE PROBLEMS WITH SOUND! OMG
[14:33] <gpd> and calm.
[14:33] <mnemo> scizzo-: when I select "reboot" from the top right menu, the screen flickers for a while and then I return to gdm login screen (without never seeing the bios etc)... same if I do "sudo reboot now" from a terminal.... I was thinking maybe its gdm that crashes during shutdown and gets auto restarted by failsafe but thats just a wild guess (I didnt see any segv messages in dmesg)
[14:35] <vbgunz> gpd: seriously, sound will never just work. I've been on Ubuntu since the tail end of Warty and sound was and still is and will be just borked. I don't think sound will ever be right :(
[14:35] <gpd> vbgunz: you would think an Audigy2 would 'just work' by now - balls.
[14:36] <s0u][ight> gpd: isn't oss4 working for you?
[14:36] <gpd> s0u][ight: everything looks on paper to be working -- no errors -- but nothing comes out of the headphones
[14:36] <gpd> i have tried every mixer setting under teh sun - but no joy
[14:37] <gpd> weirdly it seems to be on intrepid and jaunty but was working fine on intrepid until a few weeks/months ago
[14:37] <gpd> downloading hardy live dvd to see WTF is going on - but running out of patience -- especially now that i caved and bought a shiny macbook
[14:37] <s0u][ight> gpd: what sound server are you using?
[14:38] <gpd> s0u][ight: this is pretty much a default install
[14:38] <s0u][ight> gpd: are you working on a laptop?
[14:38] <gpd> except for any files in my /home/gpd that might be screwing around
[14:38] <gpd> s0u][ight: no this is an intel desktop with PCI card
[14:38] <s0u][ight> aplay -l
[14:39] <gpd> s0u][ight: http://pastebin.com/m519bc821
[14:41] <s0u][ight> gpd: #alsa is the place you should go to :)
[14:42] <gpd> s0u][ight: thanks
[14:43] <nanonyme> gpd: Audigy2 Works For Me (tm).
[14:44] <nanonyme> (If this was about ALSA)
[14:48] <thehook> how can I see what got updated last time? is that possible..
[14:50] <BUGabundo> did ANYBODY else LOST wifi with latest kernel update????
[14:50] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.28-7-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 9 15:42:34 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:50] <BUGabundo> I had to go back to -7 for it to work
[14:50] <s0u][ight> BUGabundo: what wireless card?
[14:50] <BUGabundo> -8 doesn't!
[14:50] <BUGabundo> intel 4965 abn
[14:50] <BUGabundo> *abgn
[14:51] <gpd> seems it way a speaker issue -- found with speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -twav
[14:51] <s0u][ight> :| it works for me
[14:51] <rohan> i am using the alpha 5 CD and i find that the brightness notification is not proper - the limits are out of bounds. where do i report a bug?
[14:51] <BUGabundo> rohan: launchpad
[14:51] <BUGabundo> tag it with "notifications"
[14:52] <s0u][ight> BUGabundo: what does iwconfig give?
[14:52] <rohan> BUGabundo: and against which package?
[14:53] <BUGabundo> rohan: libindicate or libindicate0
[14:53] <BUGabundo> s0u][ight: can't show you that now!
[14:53] <BUGabundo> im on -7 to get work done
[14:54] <rohan> BUGabundo: thanks
[14:55] <BUGabundo> nobody else having trouble with WIFI with latest updates???
[14:56] <thehook> BUGabundo: i did not loose wifi but i am with my gf now and here I cannot find her network thats stored.. but the neighboors i find :)
[14:56] <BUGabundo> linux-backports-modules-2.6.28 (2.6.28-8.7) jaunty; urgency=low  [Stefan Bader]
[14:56] <BUGabundo>   * scripts: Fix typo in prepare-compat-wireless.sh    - LP: #332576
[14:58] <thehook> and the neighboors network seems very unstable, the connection seems good but the strenght indicator is going up and down to full, 2 bars and empty
[14:58] <ubuciko> #ubuntu+1-de
[15:01] <BUGabundo> thehook: ill be filling it in a while
[15:01] <BUGabundo> need to get work done
[15:01] <BUGabundo> can't loose recently started new job
[15:01] <BUGabundo> ;)
[15:03] <thehook> BUGabundo: can you relate to that? or is your completely not working?
[15:05] <BUGabundo> thehook: won't even show up on iwconfig
[15:05] <BUGabundo> no wlan
[15:05] <BUGabundo> now to test out and install vtiger CRM
[15:08] <thehook> any idea how only stored networks can be affected? and is it possible to reset all stored networks?
[15:09] <BUGabundo> you can delete them from NM
[15:13] <eternal_p> hey all..quick question..there is a mail icon beside my volume control in gnome, when I click on it...it tells me pidgin, however..I already have a pidgin icon...I'm just courious what this is for
[15:16] <nemo> eternal_p: is your pidgin monitoring any mailboxes? :)
[15:16] <nemo> maybe that was just a new mail notification in the notification area.
[15:17] <eternal_p> nemo: it is...however, I have no mail in either
[15:17] <eternal_p> I've never seen that icon on any dist until jaunty
[15:20] <admin_masu3701> hello i have a question... i dont know what happen but i am not root user anymore..i try to sudo apt-get update and get a message user is not in the sudoers
[15:21] <admin_masu3701> how can i become root again?
[15:23] <thehook_> ok, i have some connection problems here, so i have to ask again.. - that didn't work.. do you know where the config folder for NM is?
[15:26] <Slartibartfast> admin_masu3701: reboot in single user mode (recovery console) ... and you will be root .... then add yourself to the admin groups again by useradd -G adm admin youruseraccount
[15:28] <Slartibartfast> If already in that groups, edit sudoers file with "visudo" ... and see if "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" is in there
[15:30] <admin_masu3701> cant access /etc/sudoers
[15:30] <Slartibartfast> admin_masu3701: you need to reboot in recovery console
[15:31] <admin_masu3701> then what do i do after i reboot in recovery console?
[15:31] <Slartibartfast> just wrote that for you
[15:32] <Slartibartfast> now on the console can you do the  "groups" command?
[15:34] <nemo> eternal_p: well. I seem to recall gnome was trying to make a unified "messaging" thingy
[15:35] <nemo> eternal_p: lemme see if I can dig up the link
[15:36] <Slartibartfast> admin_masu3701: Like from my user the groups output is  "richard adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare vboxusers"
[15:38] <Slartibartfast> admin_masu3701: In recovery console you will be root and can edit any file you want ...
[15:39] <Slartibartfast> admin_masu3701: /etc/sudoers you need to edit with the comamnd "visudo"
[15:39] <Slartibartfast> command*
[15:39] <eternal_p> thanks nemo
[15:46] <unixdawg> ok whats up with firefox and seamonkey crashing all the time now
[15:52] <admin_masu3701> slartibartfast: am new to ubuntu
[15:53] <admin_masu3701> how do i edit sudoers? visudo gedit /etc/sudoers?
[15:53] <Pici> admin_masu3701: If you don't mind me asking, why are you using Jaunty if you're new to Ubuntu?
[15:53] <admin_masu3701> Jaunty?
[15:54] <Pici> admin_masu3701: You're in #ubuntu+1, this is the channel for Ubuntu 9.04, Jaunty Jackalope,.
[15:54] <Pici> !jaunty
[15:54] <admin_masu3701> Pici: i have ubuntu 8.10
[15:54] <Pici> admin_masu3701: Then please join #ubuntu and ask there.
[15:55] <admin_masu3701> ok
[16:17] <carl0s-> Latest updates have broken ath5k wireless module? Known issue?
[16:17] <carl0s-> WARNING: Error inserting lbm_cw_cfg80211 (/lib/modules/2.6.28-8-generic/updates/lbm_cw-cfg80211.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[16:20] <scizzo-> carl0s-: check launchpad
[16:20] <scizzo-> carl0s-: should be in there if it is
[16:20] <ali1234> no
[16:20] <carl0s-> scizzo-, on way there now.. I always fail at searching bugzillas and what not :)
[16:20] <scizzo-> carl0s-: also check dmesg
[16:20] <ali1234> that error is happening because you have installed wireless-compat from source
[16:21] <ali1234> or is it compat-wireless
[16:21] <carl0s-> scizzo-, dmesg gives lots of problems
[16:21] <scizzo-> aaaa
[16:21] <scizzo-> carl0s-: listen to ali1234
[16:21] <ali1234> anyway /lib/modules/2.6.28-8-generic/updates/ <- updates folder means you are NOT using distro modules
[16:21] <ali1234> and there is a mismatch
[16:21] <ali1234> probably you need to recompile and reinstall compat-wireless
[16:21] <carl0s-> ali1234, I haven't .. I don't think. although I did build madwifi manually a while ago to have a go with aircrack-ng before ath5k worked on this chipset. as far as I know I am working fairly normally ?
[16:21] <ali1234> or just 'make uninstall' it
[16:23] <carl0s-> ali1234, http://pastebin.com/m2b7d1003
[16:24] <ali1234> so you no longer have the source?
[16:24] <carl0s-> here's the dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/m63e658e2
[16:24] <carl0s-> ali1234, nah, I definately didn't compile compat wireless. I pull down updates daily for jaunty and haven't had a problem until just now.
[16:24] <ali1234> dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.6.28-8-generic/updates/lbm_cw-cfg80211.ko
[16:25] <carl0s-> I am using updates-proposed though if that matters ..
[16:25] <sammy> so someone finds, what I guess is called a regression bug, in a package. it was working, some changes in jaunty happen, and the program no longer works. the bug is noticed, the bug is fixed, at least, the programs bug tracker says the fix has been tested and committed (I assume to their svn/cvs/whatever)
[16:25] <cumulus007> taskel fails here
[16:25] <cumulus007> error code 100
[16:25] <cumulus007> anyone experiencing this?
[16:25] <sammy> what is the next step to see that updated package appear in the jaunty repositories? I'm just curious. does someone submit the updated package to a testing area before it moves into the general jaunty repository?
[16:25] <ali1234> carl0s-: dpkg command will tell you what package installed that file (if any)
[16:26] <carl0s-> ali1234, it's looking for it now, thanks.
[16:26] <carl0s-> ali1234, linux-backports-modules-2.6.28-8-generic
[16:26] <ali1234> carl0s-: that's the packaged version of compat-wireless :)
[16:27] <carl0s-> ali1234, :) so I am apparently using the right files then!
[16:27] <carl0s-> ?
[16:28] <ali1234> yeah ... it's a bug then... version mismatch
[16:28] <carl0s-> d'oh
[16:28] <carl0s-> :)
[16:30] <ali1234> bug 337711
[16:30] <carl0s-> d'oh. somebody beat me to it
[16:31] <carl0s-> ubottu, yeah.. I've just found that when filing the bug :( thought I was going to be first for a minute :)
[16:31] <carl0s-> ah
[16:31] <carl0s-> thanks ali1234
[16:33] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/193970?comments=all
[16:33] <BUGabundo> it seems this update was the one that messed my wifi
[16:36] <ali1234> i upgraded one of my machine to jaunty about a week ago. ever since it keeps turning off or reseting itself
[16:37] <ali1234> it seems like a hardware problem but it started happening the same day i upgraded. i really hate stuff like that
[16:38] <ali1234> it happens after about 1-2 hours at random, and leaves nothing in the logs
[16:40] <gpd> what is the replacement for tracker in jaunty?
[16:40] <gpd> tracker-utils doesn't seem to be installed by default.
[16:41] <BUGabundo> gpd: ??
[16:41] <gpd> how can you have a desktop OS without a metadata file searcher?
[16:41] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache rdepends tracker
[16:41] <BUGabundo> tracker
[16:41] <BUGabundo> Reverse Depends:
[16:41] <BUGabundo>   tracker-dbgsym
[16:41] <BUGabundo>   catfish
[16:41] <BUGabundo>   brdesktop-gnome
[16:41] <BUGabundo>   tracker-utils
[16:41] <BUGabundo>   tracker-search-tool
[16:41] <BUGabundo>   tracker-dbg
[16:41] <BUGabundo>   shared-mime-info
[16:41] <BUGabundo>   libdeskbar-tracker
[16:41] <BUGabundo> humm it got lost from ubuntu-desktop
[16:42] <BUGabundo> file a bug!
[16:42] <gpd> there are forum posts saying that it is 'being dropped'... ???
[16:42] <gpd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1068029 <-- for example
[16:43] <gpd> i have always had issues with tracker -- so it wouldn't entirely surprise me.
[16:44] <gpd> it seems to keep losing all indexes and requires a re-index whenever i want to search for anything -- cf. spotlight which 'just works'
[16:46] <BUGabundo> gpd: it was droped on hard I think
[16:46] <BUGabundo> but it should have come back
[16:47] <BUGabundo> ask on #ubuntu-devel
[16:47] <BUGabundo> or file a bug
[16:47] <gpd> i have installed google-desktop-linux and will return to my day job :)
[17:14] <unixdawg> morning
[17:14] <unixdawg> whats up with firefox and seamonkey crashing all the time
[17:16] <lanoxx-> can someone tell me, if i download the source of a packet with apt-get source <packet>, then i get 3 files and one folder (usually), now what are the 3 files for? do i have to do something with them until now i just did ./configure and make but it seems the application behaves differently than the precompiled one with ubuntu
[17:17] <CarlFK> lanoxx-: yeah, hold...
[17:18] <CarlFK> lanoxx-: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb  instead of ./configure... do debuild -us -uc -i -I
[17:20] <lanoxx-> ok, i do that in the root of the folder that was downloaded?
[17:20] <lanoxx-> @ CarlFK
[17:21] <CarlFK> lanoxx-: um.. if I undersatnd, yes.  to be clear: do what that page says: cd <newly created dir>
[17:22] <saxin> Will Jaunty get a new look, or wont that happen before 9.10?
[17:24] <lanoxx-> CarlFK, ok thx, maybe i will eventually get the program to work :-)
[17:24] <CarlFK> lanoxx-: I have been using that 'procedure' quite a bit - let me know if something doesn't seem right
[17:27] <lanoxx-> CarlFK, actually i just saw that it will create a .deb with that, but i only need the binary at this moment (maybe in the future if i actually should fix the bug i will have to make a .deb)
[17:28] <lanoxx-> the thing is that the application uses a macro to define a path (DATADIR) which i dont know where it gets defined and how it gets updated (maybe through the makefile?!?)
[17:29] <lanoxx-> that was why i started to wonder how the actual build process works
[17:29] <lanoxx-> brb
[17:32] <CarlFK> lanoxx-: what's wrong with having a .deb ?
[17:37] <lanoxx-> CarlFK, i just run the binary from the folder where i compiled it, as i dont want it to overwrite the original package
[17:38] <lanoxx-> if i have a .deb it means i have to install it everytime i recompile
[17:38] <lanoxx-> dont it?
[17:38] <lanoxx-> s/it/i
[17:39] <CarlFK> there is a binary left somewhere, you can just run that
[17:40] <CarlFK> for instance, I run:  dvswitch-trunk/build/src/dvswitch - not sure how consistent that is across builds
[17:43] <andre_pl> does anyone know how to tie into the new notification system via a python (or other) script?
[17:45] <cumulus007> andre_pl: isn't is just as simple as some DBus connections?
[17:45] <lanoxx-> CarlFK, yeah the binary it there, but during the build process the macro: DATADIR gets defined to be /usr/local/share while in fact it should be /usr/local and i dont know how to correct that
[17:46] <lanoxx-> i also dont want to add a "/../../" in front of all the occurences of DATADIR in the source
[17:46] <andre_pl> cumulus007: I dont know, I can't find any info on it anywhere :( mind you i'm only about 75% through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD
[17:47] <lanoxx-> typo: it should be /usr/share (not /usr/local/share
[17:48] <CarlFK> lanoxx-: dig around in the debian/ dir - its defined int there somewhere
[17:51] <lanoxx-> i dont know, if i search with grep DATADIR * i get 20-30 occurences in some makefiles and somewhere else and they again resolve to other macros which again resolve to other macros, so i cant really figure out where exactly the problem is that DATADIR gehts set to /usr/local/share instead of /usr/share
[17:52] <lanoxx-> CarlFK, are you sure i can ignore the files in that were downloaded with the folder when i ran apt-get souce <package> ?
[17:52] <CarlFK> yep
[17:53] <CarlFK> grep DATADIR - what dir did you do that in?
[17:55] <CarlFK> this is still a problem, right?  python-xml: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[18:00] <lanoxx-> both in the root and in src and in debian
[18:00] <lanoxx-> in debian i found nothing, in src and in the root quite a lot
[18:02] <lanoxx-> but nothing that tells me why its pointing to /usr/local/share
[18:03] <lanoxx-> e.g i get an error when i run the app: /usr/local/share/fast-user-switch-applet/ui.glade was not found, because its located in /usr/share/fast-...
[18:14] <CarlFK> lanoxx-: whats the package name? (so I can apt-get source it)
[18:17] <lanoxx-> fast-user-switch-applet
[18:18] <lanoxx-> but im acctually on intrepid (im just asking here because i thought the change of talking to someone familiar with developement woud be higher)
[18:18] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: around?
[18:25] <cumulus007> andre_pl: are you still there?
[18:28] <CarlFK> lanoxx-: i won't tell if you dont ;)
[18:29] <andre_pl> cumulus007: yep
[18:29] <andre_pl> got a little closer. still not quite working though
[18:29] <cumulus007> andre_pl: already figured out how to manage those notifications?
[18:29] <cumulus007> andre_pl: It's dbus, isn't it?
[18:30] <cumulus007> andre_pl: I want to control them with python too :-)
[18:30] <andre_pl> cumulus007: Yeah, i got a message popping up now. its pretty ugly.
[18:30] <andre_pl> i'll paste the code, 1 sec
[18:31] <cumulus007> andre_pl: thanks
[18:32] <lanoxx-> i would go on jaunty but im abroad at the moment to i only got my laptop with me and its a productive system, so i dont want to go to jaunty atm
[18:32] <lanoxx-> also i might go when the beta i out, at that time it should be relatively save
[18:33] <andre_pl> cumulus007: http://rafb.net/p/euhQ0q54.html
[18:33] <cumulus007> thanks
[18:33] <andre_pl> you can get the list of paramters and what they mean by calling remote_object.Introspect()
[18:34] <cumulus007> okay
[18:34] <cumulus007> I'm pretty new to python
[18:35] <andre_pl> well, that example there will get a notification up on your screen, thats a good start :)
[18:35] <cumulus007> does it work on Kubuntu?
[18:35] <andre_pl> cumulus007: I would think so. but I'm not sure.
[18:59] <quentusrex> is there a way to install a package from jaunty in intrepid?
[19:00] <quentusrex> and have apt resolve the deps?
[19:00] <fosco__> not easy and no good idea quentusrex
[19:00] <quentusrex> ok...
[19:01] <quentusrex> I'm debating if it would be better to build my own software for a few productions servers, or upgrade to jaunty and deal with the possible bugs...
[19:02] <joaopinto> quentusrex, upgrading to jaunty on a production server is not recommended during this phase
[19:02] <quentusrex> no, not during this phase...
[19:02] <joaopinto> ah :P
[19:03] <quentusrex> I'd wait until the release, and a couple bugs to get squashed from there...
[19:03] <quentusrex> but I'd like to use a newer version of libvirt
[19:03] <quentusrex> and kvm
[20:04] <Wellark> ugh.. I just installed kubuntu aplha5 from alternative CD on my laptop
[20:05] <Wellark> it's kinda funny as I'm quite sure I didn't see any place to specify where to install GRUB
[20:06] <Wellark> my MBR _had_ TrueCrypt bootloader for my Windows and well.. it's gone :/
[20:06] <Wellark> luckily I have TC recovery CD so I should be able to restore the MBR
[20:08] <Wellark> I will try again on spare partition and pay extra attention.. Does anyone remember where the grup install location could be changed?
[20:10] <platius> Wellark;  as I remember their is an "advanced" button when the install syas it is about toformat the partitions
[20:10] <platius> there
[20:11] <Wellark> ok. I just might have missed it, but I'll try again
[20:11] <platius> Wellark;  not too intuitive
[20:21] <Wellark> negative.. manual partitioner didn't have anything related to grub
[20:25] <danbhfive> Wellark: its like the last dialog
[20:28] <Wellark> danbhfive: OK, let's see.. currently at "Select and install software"
[20:29] <danbhfive> are you running the alternate install cd?
[20:30] <Wellark> danbhfive: yes.. please, see above..
[20:31] <danbhfive> Wellark: ok, sorry about that.  My experience is mainly with the livecd.  I'm not sure about the alternate cd...
[20:33] <Wellark> danbhfive: np. :)
[20:40] <Wellark> ok. after the software installation came "is your system clock in UTC" and then "Installation is done"
[20:40] <Wellark> houston, we have a problem
[20:43] <Wellark> hmm.. pressing "go back" on the last page gives me the list of different installation stages.. there's  "Install the Grub bootloader on a hard disk" right after "select and install software"
[20:43] <Wellark> selecting that just installs grub on MBR, no questions asked
[20:45] <Wellark> there's a message "searching other operating systems" and it doesn't seem to find any even though there's windows XP installed (crypted with truecrypt) on /dev/sda1 and another kubuntu installation has it's /boot on /dev/sda2
[20:47] <Wellark> I'm thinking the installer fails to find the other OS' and thinks it's perfectly OK to install to the MBR X|
[20:50] <TuTUXG> iwl3945 not working?
[21:04] <S7UMPY> what are the new features on 9.04?
[21:14] <Wellark> ah, I just found #ubuntu-installer.. I'm taking this there.
[21:18] <cwillu> !info uswsusp
[21:20] <quentusrex> How would I manually download a package from jaunty and install it on intrepid? is there a howto for that?
[21:22] <fosco_> mixing version packages is the best way to damage your system
[21:23] <cwillu> !backports ! quentusrex
[21:23] <cwillu> !backport ! quentusrex ?
[21:23] <quentusrex> :)
[21:23] <cwillu> go look up backports :p
[21:23] <charlie-tca> !backport
[21:24] <cwillu> bah, |, not !
[21:24] <quentusrex> !backport |quentusrex
[21:24] <cwillu> evidently 3 cups of coffee isn't enough to wake me up
[21:24] <quentusrex> ok
[21:24] <charlie-tca> i know
[21:24] <quentusrex> well, I am having a problem with the package... I'm trying to rebuild it to a newer version,
[21:25] <quentusrex> but there are a decent number of ubuntu related changes....
[21:25] <quentusrex> so building form source isn't a non-trivial option.
[21:27] <ripps> Can someone direct me someplace to get some assistance with updating a plugin to work notify-osd.
[21:33] <ronny> anyone aware of weird python2.6 changes?
[21:34] <ronny> suddenly distutils appends 'local' to all prefixes i give it
[21:35] <cwillu> 2.6 is all the 3.0 stuff that can be backported to the 2.x series, correct?
[21:35] <crdlb> ronny: it's supposed to default to /usr/local
[21:36] <ronny> crdlb: i give it ~/.local and it tries ~/.local/local
[21:36] <crdlb> which is a good idea
[21:36] <crdlb> lol
[21:36] <ronny> crdlb: also it breaks virtualenv
[21:36] <ronny> cause i tries to install stuff into $env/local instead of $env
[21:37] <crdlb> cwillu: yeah, that's the basic idea; it also gives deprecation warnings for modules that have been removed in 3.0
[21:38] <crdlb> ronny: ok, it does the same thing here
[21:39] <ronny> crdlb: thats kinda retarded
[21:40] <crdlb> ronny: I'd guess it was accidental
[21:40] <ronny> who is to blame for this shit, its been breaking my project env for hours
[21:40] <crdlb> I don't think anybody would do that intentionally
[21:40] <ronny> debians idea?
[21:41] <ronny> they also did that openssl thing unintentional
[21:41] <crdlb> clearly, they're trying to make the default prefix /usr/local instead of /usr
[21:41] <crdlb> which is a good idea
[21:41] <crdlb> but if the implementation is prefix + '/local', they need to rethink it :P
[21:45] <Oli```> Anyone else having various python issues with deluge?
[21:49] <Numbers> anyone had the new usplash packages appear in update manager yet? can't see em here
[21:51]  * Twigathy lives on the bleeding edge and installs ubuntu+1 in a VM to see if NFS boot has been broken at all >_>
[21:51] <Twigathy> I'll yell if I encounter any fun problems :D
[21:52] <ronny> hmm
[21:58] <cwillu> is it just me, or are you surprised that something broke in jaunty?
[22:00]  * charlie-tca raises hands
[22:08] <Numbers> cwillu, i've been on it a week and have only had 2 issues, the rest has been good
[22:10] <Numbers> oh and breakage want even ubuntu, it was nvidia
[22:12] <bazookatooth> what settings in gconf-editor do i change to make NotifyOSD always display in the left monitor if i'm using dualscreens?
[22:13] <bazookatooth> i love the new notification system, i just never get to see it because i'm usually coding in the left monitor, so its nearly useless to me
[22:15] <crdlb> bazookatooth: I don't think that was implemented at all
[22:15] <bazookatooth> no way to specify?
[22:16] <crdlb> the spec on the wiki says it should appear on the output which currently contains the pointer
[22:16] <bazookatooth> hmm
[22:16] <bazookatooth> its always top right of the rightmost monitor
[22:16] <crdlb> but the code doesn't actually do that
[22:16] <bazookatooth> yeah
[22:17] <bazookatooth> its funny that notification-properties still exists
[22:17] <bazookatooth> as it does nothing :)
[22:17] <crdlb> it works for me in gnome-stracciatella :)
[22:17] <bazookatooth> what is that?
[22:18] <crdlb> an "almost vanilla" gnome session
[22:18] <crdlb> so no notify-osd
[22:19] <bazookatooth> ah
[22:19] <bazookatooth> i know it seems worthless.. but its the little things like that that are going to finally push linux over the top w/ consumers
[22:19] <bazookatooth> i've switched 2 xp users this month just by showing them my desktop post jaunty
[22:20] <bazookatooth> and they've both stuck w/ it and are in love
[22:20] <bazookatooth> i really think awn should be std
[22:28] <Numbers> bazookatooth, it's still someway behind os x at the moment but it's getting there
[22:28] <bazookatooth> yup.. and much, much cheaper. :)
[22:35] <ziroday> bazookatooth: awn can be buggy, I doubt it will ever be standard
[22:35] <mycroes> small question...
[22:35] <mycroes> I have ext4 on lvm on RAID 5, currently running gentoo
[22:35] <mycroes> my homedir is ext4, won't be converting it
[22:35] <mycroes> can I migrate this configuration to jaunty?
[22:37] <cwillu> jaunty has ext4 turned on, yes.  You can even mount it by hand in intrepid (ext4 is enabled there, marked as experimental)
[22:38] <ziroday> but your /boot partition will have to be ext3 as grub legacy can only read ext3
[22:38] <JanC> ronny, crdlb: distutils was changed to add '/local' to the prefix, but for installing in your homedir you should use --home, not --prefix
[22:38] <mycroes> cwillu, mounting won't work as experimental because I don't create my filesystems -E test_fs
[22:39] <mycroes> ziroday, currently booting off usb device (fat32 though, with grub legacy), that won't be any issue I guess?
[22:39] <crdlb> JanC: how about /opt/whatever?
[22:39] <ziroday> mycroes: not that I know of :)
[22:40] <mycroes> also, not really jaunty specific, but is there some nice fellow that does recent kernel builds for ubuntu?
[22:40] <mycroes> in a ppa or something perhaps?
[22:40] <mycroes> I'm planning on buying an ath9k card
[22:40] <mycroes> so I will need a pretty recent kernel :P
[22:42] <cwillu> there's an ath9k kernel module listed, if that's all you mean.  Otherwise, there are upstream kernels available in a ppa, although there are no restricted driver packages available for them
[22:42] <cwillu> i.e., on your own for compiling/installing nvidia et al if you need them
[22:42] <JanC> crdlb: there is also --install-base
[22:44] <JanC> crdlb: I'm not sure the way this was handled is the best way though
[22:45] <JanC> maybe the docs on the Debian wiki can explain
[22:45] <crdlb> it seems like changing default = '/usr' to default = '/usr/local', wherever that's stored would be more rational
[22:46] <magcius> Is Firefox 3.2 broken in Jaunty?
[22:46] <bazookatooth> i'm still using 3.0.6
[22:47] <mycroes> cwillu, dkms doesn't work with the kernel packages from the ppas?
[22:48] <mycroes> cwillu, the ath9k driver is under heavy development, I'm especially after AP support
[22:49] <cwillu> mycroes, dkms probably does, yes
[22:54] <cwillu> mycroes, I want to tell you that the linux-backport-modules packages are exactly that (modules from later kernel releases backported to our current kernel), and so the ath9k available from there may still be useful to you, but I can't find any proof of that fact :p
[22:55] <cwillu> !info linux-backports-modules
[22:56] <cwillu> !info linux-backports-modules-jaunty
[22:56] <cwillu> annoyingly vague
[22:57] <mycroes> cwillu, thanks, I'll at least look at that if I get to installing ubuntu :)
[22:58] <mycroes> cwillu, and thanks for the other answers too
[23:14]  * cwillu starts begging for /usr/sbin/kernel-helper to be included in grub2
[23:26] <admin_masu3701> how to i upgrade from 8.10 to 9..
[23:28] <cwillu> admin_masu3701, 9.04?  You wait another month or two.  If you can't bare to wait another month or two, and you're comfortable fixing arbitrary breakage that's known to occur with alpha's, then sudo update-manager -c -d should do the trick
[23:28] <cwillu> please do a backup first though ;p
[23:30] <admin_masu3701> cwillu: so 9.04 is not good at this moment?
[23:31] <cwillu> admin_masu3701, it's great in my opinion, but that doesn't mean that somebody won't commit a broken package at some point:  we're the guinea pigs :)
[23:32] <cwillu> I wouldn't upgrade if you only have one machine at your disposal, that you absolutely can't live without
[23:33] <admin_masu3701> cwillu: so i should wait? is it alot better the 8.10?
[23:36] <cwillu> admin_masu3701, if you want to help test, and you're comfortable doing troubleshooting, and you won't be completely sunk if something drastic happens, then feel free to upgrade
[23:36] <cwillu> it's not like we're _expecting_ utter breakage, but nobody is going to guarantee a trouble free experience
[23:37] <cwillu> if that doesn't scare you off, then you'll probably be fine :)
[23:40] <admin_masu3701> cwillu: what is the difference between the new version and the old one
[23:41] <Twigathy> damn - looks like the network mangler bug to do with NFSroot is still there
[23:41] <Twigathy> I *almost* got to the login screen with my nfsroot of ubuntu+1 :)
[23:41] <cwillu> admin_masu3701, tonnes of stuff, literally.  New upstream versions of anything that has been updated since intrepid was frozen, basically
[23:42] <cwillu> admin_masu3701, mostly incremental improvements though
[23:42] <cwillu> the release notes have the very broad strokes (link is in the motd), you can also call up the changelog for any package you're curious about
[23:44] <admin_masu3701> cwillu: i feel like upgrading to it..haha
[23:44] <cwillu> don't let me stop you :p
[23:44] <admin_masu3701> but i can wait if it has alot problems right now
[23:45]  * cwillu isn't sure that he's communicated effectively :p
[23:50] <Twigathy> wahey, disabling network manager made my NFS root ubuntu+1 boot to a desktop :)
[23:50] <Twigathy> Sadly that does mean that NM is still broken for the [very] few that do use network boot
[23:50] <Twigathy> Totally not a standard install though :)
[23:52] <ConstantineXVI> Is the version of Qt in the repos the 4.5 release that hit yesterday?
[23:55] <rww> !info libqt4-core jaunty
[23:56] <rww> ConstantineXVI: looks like it
[23:56] <rww> ConstantineXVI: it's either the final release or an RC, anyway
[23:57] <cwillu> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/2009/03/02
[23:58] <rww> cwillu: I read that the other day. Interesting reading.