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Volkodavnemo - not necessarily00:09
nemoVolkodav: hm? :)00:10
VolkodavYou do not have to have boot partition - it is wise to have one00:10
nemoyeah. no kidding? :)00:10
nemowhy is that not a default in ubuntu :D00:10
nemowas regretting it after that little incident00:10
Volkodavdid you try to reinstall grub insted00:10
nemoyeah. grub kept mucking up even after reinstall.00:10
Volkodavthe jaunty's grub is patched for ext400:10
nemogrub2 though works great00:10
nemooh. hmmm00:11
nemowell. I ran grub-pc as he suggested anyway00:11
nemoit might have just updated the menus, not rerun grub setup00:11
nemooh well.00:11
nemoVolkodav: if jaunty's grub is patched for ext4, why'd I have problems in the first place?00:11
nemoBTW, it didn't happen immediately after updating to ext4. nope. was a couple of reboots later :-p00:12
nemoanyway. grub2 works, so all good.00:12
Volkodavwell you kewl then00:12
Volkodavat least it is not ext4 to blame00:12
* Volkodav hates reboots00:13
nemoVolkodav: why do you think it isn't ext4? :)00:16
nemomaybe the jaunty patch isn't quite right.00:16
fosco_it is ok here00:16
eternal_phey all...just getting going with Jaunty...everything is working fine, except the firefox bookmark, toolbar fonts are huge!  any way to correct that00:18
Volkodavnemo because you said once grub2 installed you booted the system &00:19
fosco_eternal_p: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HugeFonts00:19
nemoVolkodav: oh. misunderstood what you meant. yeah. the ext4 *partition* is fine00:19
nemoI still think grub itself had probs with ext400:19
nemonow, maybe the update to jaunty did not itself reinstall grub...00:20
DanaGhttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42678800:20
ubottuMozilla bug 426788 in GFX: Thebes "When DPI set to 144, User interface is scretched very much. and html document is rendered very large." [Normal,New]00:20
DanaGYeah, Firefox'00:20
DanaGDPI scaling is broken.00:20
eternal_pfosco_: thanks but there is no answer there00:25
eternal_pDanaG: thanks...00:28
eternal_pDanaG: this seems like an old bug, no?00:32
DanaGOld, but still present!00:33
danbhfiveIs there a page that talks about how to update a system with a livecd?  like, what partition points do I have to mount?00:33
DanaGdanbhfive: you have to mount the root somewhere, then mount -o bind /proc /TARGET/proc and mount -o bind /dev /TARGET/dev00:33
DanaGand same for sys, perhaps.00:33
DanaGWhere TARGET is wherever you mounted the other thing.00:34
danbhfivemk, cool, thanks00:34
DanaGThen chroot into /TARGET00:34
DanaGThe two binds are key.00:34
DowopDiDowusup00:35
DowopDiDo i have a big problem, I messed up my ubuntu instalation so now it wont boot, it will get past the loading screen then go black.  Anyway, I want to reinstall ubuntu but I cant untill I get my files back.  so here I am on a live cd trying to get my files, the only problem is, I think when I installed jaunty it incripted all my files or something because when I try to get into the home folder it says access denied or something.  So How00:35
DowopDiDo(12:27:35 AM) ActionParsnip: servo888: use gmd / slim and select kde as your session00:35
danbhfiveDanaG: is the bind option so /proc etc is available at both mount points?00:37
DowopDiDo=/00:37
danbhfiveshoot, left00:37
DowopDiDoI need helpppp00:38
danbhfiveDowopDiDo: can you pastebin the exact error?00:38
DowopDiDook00:39
DowopDiDoWell, actually, its when I try to get into my user folder (Luke).  "you do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Luke"."00:40
DowopDiDothats exactly what it says00:40
danbhfivemaybe you don't have permissions.  Try with root permissions, (or pastebin an ls -al)00:41
DowopDiDoCan you tell me how to do that?00:41
DowopDiDoWell, i dont think its that actually00:41
danbhfiveare you using a terminal?00:41
DowopDiDoWhen I installed jaunty, it gave me the option to encrypt my files just in case my computer got stolen, so yeah.  I chose that option00:42
danbhfivehmmm, I dunno about that.  I would figure that you would at least be able to backup the encrypted files00:43
DowopDiDoYeah, I cant do anything with them00:43
danbhfivegota go, soryr00:44
DowopDiDo0=00:45
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/28431900:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 284319 in linux "mute, brightness buttons on new HP 6930p laptop" [Undecided,New]00:55
DanaG** (notify-osd:6723): WARNING **: bubble_recalc_size(): WARNING, no layout!!!01:36
DanaG** (notify-osd:6723): CRITICAL **: load_icon: assertion `info' failed01:36
DanaGso now instead of black notifications... I have no notifications at all.01:38
Veinorawesome01:39
DanaG... but only for some things: volume and brightness.01:40
DanaGGotta' love this newfangled notification system.01:40
DanaGIt's also unthemeable.01:40
Veinorstill in beta, isn't it?01:40
Veinorer, at the very least, I know it's not done yet01:41
DanaGBut the unthemeability is supposedly by design:01:41
crdlbthe distro is in development; the software it ships needs to be finished much earlier in the cycle :)01:41
Veinorcrdlb: true, true01:41
Veinori'll be happy once they get it to display on the monitor the pointer is on01:42
Veinoralso once this weird 'flicker' I've noticed is fixed01:42
DanaGhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD01:42
DanaGNote the thing about fixed background color.01:42
Veinoryeah, under compiz instead of fading away gracefully it fades away then flickers back01:43
crdlbyou probably need to reset your animation settings01:43
crdlbfor some idiotic reason, it tries to fade itself instead of letting compiz do it01:43
DanaGUnder metacity, it just plain doesn't fade at all.01:44
Veinorah01:44
VeinorI'll see if it still does that with animation off01:44
Veinorthen report01:44
Veinorand yeah, themability should be a feature01:44
Veinorthat's one of the reasons I don't like the current notification-daemon; cause it looks like ass01:44
crdlbthere is no standard way to indicate that a window does its own effects, so they hacked it by adding somethinig like !name=notify-osd to animation's default match01:45
crdlbwhich won't work if you've modified any of those window match settings01:45
* DanaG switches to straciatella session.01:45
Veinorthat's indeed it01:46
crdlbyou can just reset the effect settings on Close Animations01:46
Veinorhaha, i can't grab the window name01:46
crdlbindeed01:47
Veinorthat's silly01:47
crdlbmenus have the same problem01:47
crdlbin thise case, it shapes away input so that you can click through it01:47
Veinorin most cases, that's a definite feature01:48
Veinorbut yeah, now they just need to fix it so that it always appears on the screen with the monitor01:48
Veinorer01:48
Veinorwith the pointer01:48
crdlbthe default rule matches by title=notify-osd, which isn't good01:48
Veinori just added a high-priority name=notify-osd 'none' rule01:49
Veinorall is good01:49
Veinorbut yeah, right now that dual-screen but is the only thing keeping me from using notify-osd by default01:50
Veinori hope the whole 'turn buttoned alerts into dialog boxes' thing can be disabled02:01
crdlbyeah, use gnome-stracciatella02:02
Veinoran intuitive name if i've ever heard one02:03
crdlbeasy to spell, too02:03
DanaGsounds like a pastry.02:05
DanaGhave I shown you the glassy-bleu theme?  Probably zillions of times.02:05
Veinorsorry, I only use dark themes. *is a walking GTK compatibility nightmare*02:06
DanaGIt IS a dark theme.02:07
* crdlb waits for it02:07
DanaGwww.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot02:07
DanaGhttp://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png02:07
DanaGsorry, lost a part of the paste on the first one.  Second one is the link.02:07
Veinoreh, I don't like it02:12
DanaGAlso, OpenOffice fails with it.02:12
Veinoralso, how in gods name can you stand to have your icons all fucked up on the top panel? D:02:12
DanaGBlack text on black backgrounds.02:12
DanaGI don't use that theme.  =รพ02:12
DanaGThough my panel really is that cluttered.02:13
nickrudoh my eyes02:13
DanaGThat's from HP's "Mobile Internet Experience".02:13
Veinorwhat02:13
DanaGand they have tweaks, such as disabling the gnome themes tab.  =P02:13
Veinorwhat02:14
Veinorhow is that a 'tweak'02:14
Veinordoes that mean you're stuck with that theme?02:14
DanaG... if you happen to use Hardy, and use their "dennis" version of the gnome things.02:14
DanaGBut, if you add it just as a source repo, you can grab and build just the theme, and nothing else.02:14
DanaGI prefer my rather bright orange.02:15
DanaGhttp://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot.png02:15
DanaG... though I've change the background to one a bit less flamboyant.02:15
VeinorI seriously do use a dark theme.02:17
VeinorIt's purdy.02:17
SlartibartfastSeems apport itself gives me a lot of crashes02:17
Slartibartfastmust have something to do with the python upgrade02:18
hggdhprobably02:23
DowopDiDoYo02:48
kerncoNetwork manager keeps having to reconnect my wireless.  It seems to happen every 15 to 30 minutes on average.  I have a fairly old D-Link PCI wireless card and am connecting to a Verizon fios router with WEP.  Any ideas how to diagnose this?  Signal strength is good, so I don't think that's the problem.02:50
crdlbwep? why bother? :)02:51
kerncoYeah I know, lol.  Verizon routers don't support WPA for some crazy reason02:52
crdlbreally?02:52
kerncomhmm02:52
crdlbmy rev D does02:52
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/28431902:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 284319 in linux "mute, brightness buttons on new HP 6930p laptop" [Undecided,New]02:52
DanaGyargh.02:53
DowopDiDoIs there anyone really smart here that can help me fix a problem that no one else seams to be able to fix?  Yes or no question02:53
DowopDiDoWell, here's my problem anyway,  I messed up my ubuntu instalation so now it wont boot, it will get past the loading screen then go black.  Anyway, I want to reinstall ubuntu but I cant untill I get my files back.  so here I am on a live cd trying to get my files, the only problem is, I think when I installed jaunty it incripted all my files or something because when I try to get into the home folder it says access denied or somethin02:54
VolkodavI still can not get some apps installed with this python upgrade02:54
Volkodavmirage: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed02:54
VolkodavE: Broken packages02:54
DowopDiDoArg02:55
kerncoDowopDiDo: Are you using the GUI or command line?02:55
DowopDiDoI dont know what that is02:56
DowopDiDoWell, not the command line02:56
crdlbVolkodav: I haven't hit any, but I guess they might not be done; make sure you're using archive.ubuntu.com and are uptodate02:56
DanaGhmm, if his system won't boot, he'll have to chroot.02:56
DowopDiDook, whats that?02:57
DanaG!http://cutecomputer.wordpress.com/2007/01/07/howto-dev-file-system-in-chroot-ed-environment/02:58
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)02:58
DanaGer, !02:58
DowopDiDook, so what do I do then?02:59
DanaGdo what it says, though with corrections.02:59
DanaGthe mount --bind things02:59
DanaGYou'll want to find where your installed system's root is.02:59
* DanaG has to boot Windows to run something not wine-able.02:59
DanaGyargh.03:00
billybigriggerdoes anyone here run mysql?03:01
billybigriggerthe process mysqld_safe is using %100 cpu and i dont know why...03:01
billybigriggersudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop03:01
billybigriggerdoesn't kill it either03:02
DowopDiDois there a way to like resize my ubuntu partition without deleting all my data?03:02
macoDowopDiDo: yes, gparted can do it03:02
DowopDiDoIt never seems to work with me, I dont really know how to do it03:03
crdlbof course you shouldn't rely on it working (ie have a backup)03:03
lanoxxDowopDiDo, if the drive mounted it wont work, you should boot into a live cd03:06
DowopDiDowhat do you mean?03:07
DowopDiDothe gparted live cd?03:07
Volkodavcrdlb, deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu jaunty partner <== this one you mean ?03:11
crdlbno03:11
Volkodav?03:12
crdlbI mean main, restricted, universe, and multiverse03:12
Volkodavyeah03:13
Volkodavthose are all good03:13
crdlbthey're http://archive.ubuntu.com/... ?03:13
Volkodavabout 2 weeks ago updating it requested to remove some packages and now I can not get them installed again with this error03:13
Volkodavus.archive yes03:15
crdlbwhich is a mirror03:15
Volkodavright03:15
Volkodavand all up to date03:15
Volkodavdeluge mirage and some others were removed03:16
crdlbit's a good idea when using a development version to use the main ubuntu archive at http://archive.ubuntu.com03:16
Volkodavit's just the us server that's all03:16
Volkodavmakes no difference really03:17
crdlbbut it takes longer for you to get packages03:19
crdlbI use a local mirror with relased versions, but not with ubuntu+103:19
DanaGI use both local mirror and official mirror.03:21
DanaGLocal mirror listed first in sources.list makes it preferred for same-version packages.03:21
crdlboh, you could do that :)03:21
Volkodavwell I changed to the main server03:22
Volkodavsee what happens03:22
Volkodavdoubt it will help though03:22
Volkodavthose pacgakes need to be rebuild against newer version of python03:22
crdlbyes, it looks like python-libtorrent needs to be rebuilt03:23
VolkodavI wonder how03:24
cdm10:-/ UI freeze is in 2 days. Are they going to respect that? 'cause... stuff kinda needs some work.03:41
crdlbcdm10: what exactly, the notifications?03:44
cdm10crdlb: that's one thing I feel is a bit rushed... also, the messaging applet.03:45
cdm10now we have Pidgin's normal notification area applet, the semi-useful messaging applet, AND status-changing in the user-switcher menu.03:46
cdm10it feels kinda bloaty... I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this.03:46
crdlbmeh, they should have targeted this stuff for karmic instead of jaunty03:47
cdm10I agree... I feel like they do a lot of this to lend hype to a new release.03:48
DanaGoh, and now Log Out is not available in the Gnome menus.03:48
cdm10I mean, if you read the NotifyOSD spec, it lists a ton of applications that need to be fixed to work right with the new notifications.03:48
* DanaG now has NO notifications of volume changes.03:49
DanaGNot blank... just none at all.03:49
cdm10yay :-/03:51
DanaGyup.03:53
DanaGI do really like the login theme, though -- it's classy.03:53
cdm10well, hopefully they will return at some point... stuff breaks.03:53
cdm10why have they never used a login theme with a facebrowser as default?03:54
DanaGI also don't like how the bubbles come the way the Model T Ford came....03:54
DanaG(get the reference?)03:54
cdm10DanaG: I do not.03:54
DanaGOnly one color: black.  =P03:54
cdm10lol03:54
cdm10!lol | cdm1003:54
ubottucdm10, please see my private message03:54
cdm10...that's new.03:54
DanaGI don't see anything wrong with lol.03:54
cdm10ubottu did not like what I just did.03:55
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)03:55
cdm10first, applications started using the notification area for things that were decidedly not notifications (pidgin, transmission, pretty much everything... although it started long before those)03:56
cdm10...so now we're eliminating the use of the notification area for actual persistent notifications?03:56
cdm10i don't get it.03:56
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DanaG!info gnome-session-stracciatella03:58
ubottuPackage gnome-session-stracciatella does not exist in jaunty03:58
DanaG!info gnome-session-straciatella03:58
ubottuPackage gnome-session-straciatella does not exist in jaunty03:58
DanaGargh, shows how easy it is to speeleele the thing.03:58
DanaG=P03:58
DanaG!info gnome-session-stracciatela03:58
ubottuPackage gnome-session-stracciatela does not exist in jaunty03:58
DanaG!info gnome-session-straciatela03:58
ubottuPackage gnome-session-straciatela does not exist in jaunty03:58
* DanaG gives up.03:59
crdlbgnome-stracciatella-session03:59
crdlbit's not _that_ hard to spell04:00
nickrudyeah, but what does it _mean_? (looked up what it does already)04:05
nickrudnm04:06
nickrudmisspelled soup04:06
Amaranthit's a somewhat vanilla GNOME setup04:07
DanaGcrdlb: ah, I transposed two words.04:07
nickrudpicked up that so far. does the wiki page include all alternative components?04:08
crdlbit's named after the italian version of chocolate chip ice cream04:08
nickrudI'm so far behind on everything I might as well start there04:08
DanaGdang, now I'm hungry.04:08
Amaranthit's almost vanilla but there are these ubuntu (chocolate) bits in it :)04:09
nickrudyeah, I read that caveat ;)04:09
nickrudbut expecting a true vanilla anywhere is silly04:10
* DanaG wonders when ATI will release a new fglrx... and if it'll be just as broken as the other fglrx have been for me on Intrepid.04:11
crdlbafaict, all it does is turn off notify-osd in favor of notification-daemon, and make the indicator applet a no-op04:11
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/31460004:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,Confirmed]04:11
DanaG... with a stacktrace, too. =P04:12
Amaranthcrdlb: I thought it changed the theme and stuff too04:12
crdlbmaybe, I already switched to clearlooks :)04:12
* DanaG uses the Nodoka engine.04:13
DanaGMy EliteBook has lots of interesting quirks that have yet to be dealt with for Linux.04:16
DanaGdanged fuggleruxx.04:21
DanaGfglrx.04:21
DanaGhow do you pronounce that, anyway?04:21
DanaGAlmost sounds like stifled swearing.04:21
crdlbeff gee el are ex04:21
cdm10I like fuggleruxx better.04:21
DanaGargh, that *fglrx* thing04:21
crdlbspeaking of fglrx, 'xorg-driver-fglrx' isn't a great pkgname04:23
DanaGI just wonder why fglrx is broken for me, even in Intrepid.04:23
DanaGSomething funky going on there.04:23
cdm10crdlb: what's wrong witht he package name?04:23
DanaGDoesn't fit standards.04:24
DanaGxserver-xorg-video-radeonhd04:24
crdlbit doesn't contain 'ati'04:24
DanaGfor example.04:24
cdm10aha04:24
crdlbno, that would imply it's an official X driver04:24
DanaGah.04:24
DanaGPerhaps it should be xorg-driver-ati-fglrx04:24
crdlbtechnically the 'r' stands for radeon, but nobody knows that :)04:24
DanaGfgl is FireGL, of course.04:24
crdlbI can't count the number of intel users who have installed fglrx04:25
cdm10crdlb: why would one do that?04:25
crdlbI have no idea04:25
BonezAUHi all, am running Jaunty Alpha5 and having problem installing Google Earth from Medibuntu. Error says "googleearth: Depends: googleearth-4.2 but it is not installable or googleearth-4.3 but it is not installable" Any tips on how I can install it via repo? Would rather do it through medibuntu than the alternative script installer available directly from google04:25
crdlbat least it has 'fglrx' in the name04:28
alex_mayorgais pulse audio meant to be the jaunty default?04:28
crdlbalex_mayorga: it has been since hardy, hasn't it?04:28
alex_mayorgacrdlb, how do I confirm?04:29
crdlbconfirm what?04:29
alex_mayorgathat I have pulseaudio, my audio still shows (Alsa mixer)04:30
* DanaG wishes PulseAudio would use BOTH capture channels of my hda-intel card.04:30
DanaGIt can actually capture from two different sources at the same time, independently.04:31
alex_mayorgawell my whole point is that my bluetooth headphones still don't seem to work in jaunty04:32
DanaG.... and PA gives no way to choose any of those.04:32
DanaGYeah, Linux BT audio is just plain broken, I believe.04:32
DanaGIt's never worked well for me.04:32
alex_mayorgaAlso my control still says "Volume Applet 2.25.91" is that OK?04:32
alex_mayorgaIt also says its "Using GStreamer 0.10"04:34
alex_mayorgaso I guess I don't have pulse, do I?04:36
crdlbyou do04:37
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alex_mayorgahow do I route audio to my bluetooth headphones then?04:39
alex_mayorgaDanaG: any pointers?04:39
DanaGBeats me.04:40
VolkodavBonezAU, get the deb package from synaptic and it will install the latest 5 version04:40
DanaGIn fact, I can't even seem to make an rfcomm connection in Gnome.04:41
VolkodavI have font problem with ver 504:41
BonezAUVolkodav, which deb package are you referring to04:43
BonezAUand where would I be likely to find it04:43
BonezAUAfter performing a full search for google in Synaptic the only thing related to google earth is the medibuntu version (i have universe/multiverse etc enabled too)04:44
dlynchis anyone else noticing their mousewheel (perhaps on their touchpad) is not working?04:45
dlynchI guess not :) I have no idea which package I should be suggesting is at fault when I make a bug report. Any suggestions?04:49
Volkodavgoogleearth04:56
AnRkeywhat command is used to bring up the run application box that I get when I push alt+f2?06:35
crdlbthere isn't a command per se06:35
AnRkeycrdlb, a way to call it via command line?06:36
crdlbon gnome your window manager (either compiz or metacity) sends an X ClientMessage which the gnome-panel listens for and shows the dialog06:36
AnRkeycrdlb, i want to add a "start > run" option for some winblows users06:37
crdlbyou can use gnome-panel-control --run-dialog06:37
d1g1tis search broken in gedit?06:37
crdlbwhich is somewhat bizarrely included with openbox06:37
crdlbI guess because openbox gnome users need it06:38
crdlbd1g1t: it does appear so06:38
AnRkeycrdlb, what all can gnome-panel-control do?06:38
d1g1toh :(06:38
* AnRkey wonders if it could do other cool stuff06:38
crdlbthe only other switch is --main-menu06:38
crdlbwhich wouldn't help, I think :>06:39
AnRkeywhat does the main menu switch do me wonders06:39
AnRkeythanks crdlb  :)06:39
crdlbI don't think that came out right :)06:40
AnRkey:)06:40
AnRkeyis there no way to get it a run dialog box without installing an extra addon?06:41
AnRkeyi need this kinds standard06:41
AnRkeysoz, i'm being special this morning06:41
crdlbd1g1t: I figured out a workaround06:41
Hobbseemy run dialog doesn't work.  I wonder why06:42
d1g1tif you could somehow emulate a alt+f206:42
AnRkeypeople talking to me while i chat06:42
crdlbd1g1t: just choose something from the dropdown and it suddenly works06:42
AnRkeybut surely there is a simple way to call this prompt?06:42
crdlbHobbsee: you're not using gnome and compiz are you? :)06:42
Hobbseecrdlb: yes06:42
DanaGhmm, google for "dbus gnome run dialog"06:43
crdlbis there a dbus interface?06:43
Hobbseecrdlb: also, my devilspie for some reason can't count.06:43
DanaGMaybe.06:43
Hobbseeor at least, gets workspace "1" wrong.  any idea why?06:43
AnRkeyDanaG, thanks06:43
AnRkeycrdlb, thanks06:43
DanaGI seem to remember using it once, when running gnome stuff in xfce.06:43
crdlbHobbsee: the alt-f1/f2 code is now in a plugin instead of being handled by the decorator06:43
crdlbthe latest compiz-wrapper package attempts to force loading of the gnomecompat plugin, but it doesn't appear to actually _work_06:44
Hobbseeah.  oh dear.06:44
crdlbI didn't think it would or I'd have suggested that to mvo when I first realized this was going to be painful06:45
AnRkeyDanaG, i don't know dbus to well06:45
AnRkeytoo06:45
crdlbbah, I opened devhelp instead of d-feet06:45
d1g1tcrdlb: lol thanks06:45
* Hobbsee tries smacking it with the importance stick, for a fix06:47
crdlbcompiz configuration sucks so badly :/06:47
AnRkeyi just wish it would stay standard06:48
AnRkeymy config file never imports correctly06:48
AnRkeymakes me want to cry when i have to set it up all over again on a new box06:48
crdlbthe biggest single issue is that the plugin list is a single setting, so ubuntu can't just introduce a new plugin and enable it by default06:49
crdlbsince many users have already modified that list, even if only by choosing 'extra'06:49
Hobbseedarn06:51
Hobbseethank goodness for gnome-do! but still06:51
Hobbseecrdlb: oh, and any idea why my home and end keys don't work in vim anymore?06:52
crdlband even that wouldn't work for gnomecompat unless you wanted to enable it for kde users too06:52
Hobbsee;)06:52
crdlblol06:52
Hobbseedo any kde users actually use compiz?  they have kwin06:52
crdlbbtw, you can just enable gnome compatibility in ccsm as a workaround06:52
crdlbI just mean !gnome06:52
chronicdoes any of you know of the name of the WDM that can do stuff like compiz but without 3d acceleration???06:52
CosmiChaosMy firefox startpage is loaded without images and scripts but ONLY when i start firefox, after reload everything is fine, any ideas06:52
crdlbchronic: what does WDM stand for?06:53
Hobbseecrdlb: window manager, i think06:53
chroniccrdlb, windows desktop manager06:53
Hobbseecrdlb: oh sweet, thanks06:54
crdlbchronic: I don't know of anything that can do compiz-like features without hardware acceleration06:55
crdlbkwin has an XRender mode (though I don't know how many features work without 3d), but even that needs some acceleration for reasonable performance06:55
Hobbseethe Xrender mode seems to work fine, and can still use the features06:56
* DanaG sees WDM as Windows Driver Model.06:57
DanaG=P06:57
DanaGWM is Window Manager.06:57
AnRkeyDanaG, can you give me a shove in the right direction with this dbus thingy? I want to simply call the run dialog box07:03
crdlbthere's an org.gnome.Panel service, but according to d-feet, it has no methods07:05
AnRkeyi found a little .c file that can be compiled to make a gnome-ran bin but that's like using a bazooka to kill a fly,imho07:08
crdlbwell, if you're going to do that, just steal gnome-panel-control from openbox07:08
DanaGAnRkey: yeah, I think that .c file was what it was when I did it, also.07:09
AnRkeyDanaG, gonna see if i can get it to run without anything extra being needed07:09
crdlb??07:09
crdlbgnome-panel-control doesn't have any extra deps07:09
CosmiChaoswill we get e4progs for jaunty to defrag our ext4?07:15
AnRkeycrdlb, i'm not saying it does, i just think that down loading that and extracting it is a mission. Well... in comparison to doing a quick compile. Plus there is a tweak to the .c file that can make the window focused, so u just start typing :)07:16
crdlbit already gets focused07:16
AnRkeyCosmiChaos, how much cooler/better is ext4 anyway? worth the upgrade?07:16
AnRkeycrdlb, gonna try both then07:17
AnRkeycrdlb, thanks for all your help :)07:17
CosmiChaosAnRkey: its worth it, its absolutely stable, i didnt lossed any data vor all the alpha weeks now, and i sometimes hardreset my pc during boot ;)07:17
CosmiChaosAnRkey: it gaves my a higher maximum peak for reading07:17
CosmiChaosAnRkey: and for third i can delte files 15x faster :)07:18
* crdlb wouldn't use ext4 before karmic at the earliest07:18
CosmiChaoscrdlb: why?07:18
crdlbbut I'm silly; I don't like to bugtest filesystems :)07:18
CosmiChaoshadnt any bug yet07:19
crdlband until it does, you're fine :)07:19
AnRkeyCosmiChaos, i manage loooooads of .doc files so deleting/moving/copying many files faster is always good07:20
CosmiChaoscrdlb: always good to be able to rollback your system within minutes ;)07:20
d-bhi there i have a question. can i make a live usb of jaunty ?07:20
CosmiChaosAnRkey: than ext4 will definetly be an advantage for you07:20
AnRkeyyeah, crdlb my data is soooo valuable to me, wont just make the move07:20
d-bbut i would like to do it from apt sources -> my iso has no iso for me to download, what tool should i use to make a usb / cd ?07:21
CosmiChaospu**ie* :D07:21
AnRkeyCosmiChaos, gonna do some more spectating before I do the upgrade07:21
d-b+ is any one ext4, is it much faster / less cpu intensive ?07:21
CosmiChaoshttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_benchmarks&num=107:22
peter125I decided to not install GRUB when i installed jaunty because i wanted to leave my existing grub untouched. Now, grub freezes when i try to boot jaunty07:23
peter125(i chose ext4)07:23
d-bCosmiChaos: i have been on that page, can't see anything about cpu tho07:24
CosmiChaosd-b: when more data is deliverd, logically the cpu has to to more but the hole process is finished earlier ;)07:24
peter125ok it looks like i really need jauntys grub07:25
d-bpeter125: you need a /boot, grub can't boot to ext4 directly atm.07:25
d-bi think.07:25
CosmiChaosd-b: yes it can :)07:25
d-bCosmiChaos: oh really ?07:25
CosmiChaosoh wait07:25
CosmiChaosi have a /boot i dont know07:25
d-bpatched ?07:25
CosmiChaosi regularly do a seperate /boot partition07:26
Hobbseed-b: er, what?  I'm fairly sure i'm doing that now.07:26
CosmiChaosregularly installed jaunty alpha4 on ext407:26
CosmiChaosbut hey my /boot is ext4 :DD07:26
CosmiChaosso yes it works ;))07:26
d-bHobbsee: oh ... really i was reaing an out of date wiki for ext4 then.07:26
* DanaG is daring.... he uses ext4.07:27
DanaGI have backups in place, though.07:27
CosmiChaosconcurrent booting from ext4 combined with sreadahead and preload really take off!07:28
CosmiChaos:D07:28
d-bso is anyone doing luks with ext4 ?07:29
DanaGsreadahead did nothing for me.07:29
DanaG... aside from removing readahead and ubuntu-desktop.07:29
CosmiChaosd-b: no but i will as soon as i can get the first via nano dual core ;)07:29
* Hobbsee is only using ext4 for / at the moment. considering getting rid of intrepid, converting the /home to ext4, and encrypting it07:29
CosmiChaosDanaG: it is faster than readahead, have you installed preload also=07:29
DanaGFor me, sreadahead resulted in longer boot.  No preload installed.07:30
CosmiChaoswell07:30
AnRkeycrdlb, how can i download just the .deb of openbox?07:30
CosmiChaosDanaG: preload does not speed up boot, but sreadahead does and asreadahed takes advantage of preload07:31
crdlbAnRkey: out of curiosity, why don't you just apt-get it and remove it when you're done?07:31
CosmiChaosgive it a try across profiling your kernel07:31
HobbseeAnRkey: apt-get -d install openbox, iirc07:31
d-bHobbsee: so you have backported the 2.6.28 kernel ?07:32
Hobbseed-b: no - i'm tripple booting, and currently running jaunty.07:33
CosmiChaosDanaG: also you should considere taking advantage of the kernel for multi-core boot (Concurrency) which preloads and sreadahead benefit from07:33
* crdlb doesn't really have enough HDD space for that07:33
* d-b has the hard disk space but asks why.07:34
Hobbseecrdlb: how big?07:34
crdlb60GB07:34
AnRkeyHobbsee, where is it downloading to though?07:34
* Hobbsee used to routinely do it for 40gb. 80's nicer, though07:34
HobbseeAnRkey: pwd07:34
crdlbI could have gotten 80, but I wanted 7200RPM07:35
Hobbseed-b: windows for an odd bit of gaming, and some uni stuff occasionally; stable ubuntu, development ubuntu.07:35
AnRkeyHobbsee, nope07:36
crdlbI haven't actually tried my windows partition since installing ubuntu (switching from another distro)07:36
Hobbseehrm, they should be there, i thought07:37
AnRkeyHobbsee, found it07:37
Hobbseetry /var/cache/apt/archives, then07:37
AnRkeyHobbsee, /var/cache/apt/archives07:37
AnRkeysnap07:37
AnRkeyt:)07:37
Hobbseehehe :)07:37
AnRkeyHobbsee, u have just sorted another problem of mine too :)07:38
Hobbsee\o/07:39
AnRkeyi needed to download all my packages for inclusion in to my local repo for a pxe server07:39
Hobbseeahhh07:39
AnRkeyHobbsee, I dont suppose u know how to "inject" them in to my mirror and regen my packages file?07:40
HobbseeAnRkey: not beyond reprepo, falcon, or similar.07:40
AnRkeyi guess i have some readon to do on those then, thanks :)07:40
DanaGhmm, how do you do that concurrency thing?07:41
AnRkeyreading*07:41
* DanaG wishes SSDs weren't so *fglrx*ing expensive. There, I just used fglrx as a swear word. =P07:41
DanaGIt works.07:41
AnRkeygeek07:41
AnRkey:)07:42
AnRkeyi don't know what it is about being called a geek that just gets me so worked up07:42
quentusrexWhat would cause munin to suddenly stop accepting connections from a remote host on port 4949?07:42
AnRkeywe are the new alphas!07:42
AnRkeyquentusrex, someone playing with iptables :)07:43
quentusrexUbuntu seems to have started dropping all connections for 4949, and for ports that don't have services,07:43
quentusrexssh works, http works07:43
quentusrexetc07:43
quentusrexbut all other connections just timeout...07:44
quentusrexAnRkey: could you help me debug this issue?07:45
quentusrexnobody should have changed something in iptables...07:45
* DanaG is glad to have serial-over-LAN...07:45
DanaGeven if I had a "drop all packets".... I still have serial console.07:46
AnRkeyquentusrex, i'm the wrong guy bud soz, iptables is a firewall and I was joking with you :) soz07:46
AnRkeyDanaG, what device u using? sounds handy07:46
DanaGIt's a feature of some Intel boards.07:46
DanaGIntel AMT is the marketing name.07:47
DanaGOr "VPro"  or "Centrino Pro"07:47
AnRkeyoh ok, naah, cheaper to get a serial to lan box07:47
quentusrexAnRkey: for some reason I think you might be right...07:47
quentusrexit seems like a firewall problem...07:47
Hobbseequentusrex: did you turn on ufw?07:47
quentusrexufw isn't installed07:47
AnRkeyquentusrex, u can flush iptables with sudo iptables -F07:47
Hobbseeit is by default, i thought07:47
AnRkeya reboot should restore it07:47
AnRkeyquentusrex, before u do that, use sudo iptables -L to see what is in iptables07:48
quentusrexflushed and rebooted....07:48
quentusrexso far no change...07:48
AnRkeyno man, rebooting will restore the iptables :)07:48
quentusrexI'm testing 9.04 in a virtual enviroment07:49
quentusrexAnRkey: right,07:49
quentusrexneither the flush, nor the reboot fixed it.07:49
AnRkeyquentusrex, iptables -L07:49
AnRkeyquentusrex, paste the output to here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/07:49
AnRkeysend us the link07:50
quentusrexAlright, so. I am telnetting from server A to server B , it works. from A to C doesn't(port 4949)07:50
quentusrexbut from C to C works07:50
AnRkeycrdlb, i download the openbox .deb file and extracted the bin, working perfectly on it's own on another box07:50
quentusrexhmm07:50
quentusrexC to C on localhost works...07:50
quentusrexC to C on public ip, doesn't...07:50
quentusrexI might have found the issue...07:51
quentusrexnvm07:52
quentusrexC to C on public ip works.07:53
quentusrexso, from A to C on 4949 fails.07:53
quentusrexfrom B to C on 4949 fails07:53
DanaGugh: http://www.winsupersite.com/alt/safari4.asp08:23
DanaGyou ain't seen ugly until you 'seen' that.08:23
AnRkeyhow can i add an entry to the applications menu from the cli?08:31
crdlbglobal or user?08:32
crdlbAnRkey: if global, then you need to create .desktop file in /usr/share/applications; if local, then you need to do the same in ~/.local/share/applications08:38
AnRkeyso i can create a .desktop file and copy it to that location with my script?08:40
crdlbyes08:40
AnRkeyshweet, thanks08:40
AnRkeyi love this #08:40
AnRkeythis is for a company that told M$ to take a walk and came to me for ubuntu :)08:41
quentusrexis it possible to disable iptables?08:43
joaopintoquentusrex, sudo /etc/init.d/iptables stop08:44
AnRkeyquentusrex, i know this is a noobish question, but can u ping this virtual machine?08:47
quentusrexhow do you drop the last rule in PUB_IN ?08:47
quentusrexAnRkey: yes, I can ping the machine,08:47
quentusrexI can also get into http, and ssh08:47
quentusrexbut it seems that some software added a bunch of iptable rules...08:47
quentusrexwithout asking...08:48
AnRkeyhave u used netstat to see if the app is even listening?08:48
quentusrexyup08:48
quentusrexit's listening08:48
quentusrexI've found that the problem is the iptables rule...08:48
AnRkeyquentusrex, what front end are you using for the iptables? where are your rules stored and restored from?08:49
quentusrexI'm using the cli08:49
quentusrexI don't know where they're stored or restored from.08:49
AnRkeyyou see u'r gonna remove that rule but as soon as u reboot it's gonna be back08:50
quentusrexiptables-save08:50
quentusrex:-D08:50
AnRkeyif that was what the app used08:51
PeddyIs the 'find' (from ctrl-f) button broken for anyone else in gedit?08:51
AnRkeyi have seen some setups use a non standard script to restore iptables, i had a box here that i had loads of trouble with where some chap had done that08:51
quentusrexF***...08:53
quentusrexyeah,08:53
quentusrexit reloaded from somewhere else...08:53
quentusrexis there any way to find what script is loading the iptables?08:54
DanaGgrep iptables /etc/init.d/*08:55
Peddyquentusrex, I think it may be /etc/init.d/network08:55
quentusrexneither of those worked...08:55
Peddynetworking*08:55
quentusrexright.08:55
aboSamoorHi, I have problem reporting bugs, I have problems and I am not sure how to file them. Can you help me ?09:32
BUGabundoaboSamoor: shoot09:34
BUGabundobtw guud morning guys09:34
aboSamoorBUGabundo: ok, I have problem with compiz, it failed to run unless i change /usr/bin/compiz and remove local from the path. I found 2 bugs related to this problem 141621and 18589109:36
BUGabundoand?09:37
aboSamoorBUGabundo: the most documented one is 141621 so I made 185891 duplicate of the old one09:37
BUGabundook09:37
BUGabundoand?09:37
BUGabundobug 141621 18589109:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 141621 in compiz "Compiz-fusion fails to start on ubuntu-studio because of XDG_CONFIG_DIR - /usr/bin/compiz: 376: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14162109:37
aboSamoorBUGabundo: But 141621 is mentioned as fix released !09:37
BUGabundobug 18589109:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 185891 in compiz "compiz does not start (dup-of: 141621)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18589109:37
BUGabundoif it is fixed, what's the prob?09:38
aboSamoorBUGabundo: it was fixed in the past and it returned after upgrading from 8.10 to 9.0409:38
rwwaboSamoor: I assume that the newest comment in 141621 is you?09:39
aboSamoorrww: yes09:39
BUGabundoahh09:43
BUGabundothen it's a regression09:43
BUGabundoit should be unmarked as dupe09:43
BUGabundoand added the tag regression aboSamoor09:44
rwwaboSamoor: might want to point it out to mvo, since it looks like he fixed it the first time around09:45
aboSamoorBUGabundo: it is 185891 which marked as duplicate and not 14162109:50
aboSamoorrww: how can point that out to mvo ?09:50
aboSamoorBUGabundo: rww: should fix released removed ? how can we change the status of the bug so people know that it returned after being fixed ?09:51
rwwmvo: Do you happen to be around? aboSamoor would like some guidance on a bug you closed :/09:51
BUGabundoaboSamoor: NO09:54
BUGabundoif it is FIX RELEASE open a new one and tag it as regression09:54
BUGabundoonly the mantainer should remove FIX RELEASE09:54
aboSamoorBUGabundo: Then I will file a new bug :)09:55
d-bis it safe to move from ext3 to ext4 in jaunty ? (using ext4 utilities)09:58
BUGabundoaboSamoor: wasn't there alreadu one10:01
aboSamoorBUGabundo: I think there is also better bug filed 222002. How can in the future search in recently filed bugs. I found this when I want to file new bug and not when I was searching for bugs10:02
mvorww: thanks for brining this up, let me check10:03
aboSamoormvo: I was just confused between these bugs [222002,141621,185891]10:05
aboSamoorI have also another problem. After fixing /usr/bin/compiz file I can run compiz using compiz --replace and everything is fine. The problem that compiz is not working on startup and I don't know where I can find a log for the problem.10:08
mvoBUGabundo, aboSamoor, rww: I think I know why its broken now with the xdg dirs, I will re-fix it10:08
mvoaboSamoor: check ~/.xsession-errors after a fresh startup10:09
mvoaboSamoor: its set correctly in the appearance capplet?10:09
BUGabundomy compiz is all broken10:11
BUGabundoI think I filed a bug about that mvo10:11
aboSamoormvo: I run compiz in terminal and I can not see that appearance tab changed its choice it is still 'None'10:11
BUGabundoyeah, mine also falls back to None, after it tries10:12
BUGabundoending with a popup saying it didn't find a driver or card for it10:12
aboSamoorfor me it works after compiz --replace but it does not change the appearance- effects tab, and it does not work in startup.10:13
aboSamoorI will restart to see xsession errors file10:14
BUGabundo1mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/126217/10:18
BUGabundo1compiz_x-safe.log10:18
mvoBUGabundo1: woah, thats a new one :)10:22
mvoI wonder if aboSamoor sees the same issue10:22
BUGabundo1is it?10:25
BUGabundo1its the same I talked to you 2 weeks ago10:25
BUGabundo1and now, thanks to pythom mess, I can't even use fusionicon to start compiz10:25
BUGabundo1it was the only way it worked10:25
BUGabundo1from CLI it also fails10:25
BUGabundo1and that's from a failsafe login10:26
mvoBUGabundo1: if you did I have missed it :/10:27
BUGabundo1can't find the bug I opened! :(10:28
BUGabundo1shall I open a new one?10:28
aboSamoormvo: I restarted my laptop. Compiz did not started even it was enabled. now I don't have decorator so mostly my laptop is not usable.10:28
mvoaboSamoor: could you paste the stuff from ~/.xsession-errors still? maybe after "alt-f2" and "metacity --replace" ?10:29
mvoaboSamoor: are you running stock ubuntu? or a flavour like ubuntu-studio?10:29
mvoBUGabundo1: let me check the source to see what the most likely cause for this problem may be10:29
BUGabundo1mvo: do you need also my session errors?10:31
aboSamoormvo: paste.ubuntu.com/126222. I am using ubuntu and it was upgraded from 8.1010:31
aboSamoormvo: thanks for metacity command because I could not switch between windows10:32
BUGabundo1mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/126223/ xsession... but I haven't tried compiz in a while!10:32
mvoaboSamoor: could you please paste the compete one (if you have concerns about putting it into a pastebin, you can also mail it to me "mvo(at)ubuntu.com". not all the stuff that compiz outputs is prefixed with compiz so the grep removes some information10:33
WiclaHello. Wrote yesterday that I'm unable to connect to my wireless network. I've been testing around a bit now. It seems that I'm unable to connect to both WPA-PSK and WEP-protected networks. Any idea what might be wrong? Unprotected networks works fine.10:34
Wicla02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection10:34
mvoBUGabundo1: thanks, the xsession-errors is not needed I think in your case10:35
aboSamoormvo: this is my complete log file http://paste.ubuntu.com/126226/10:35
WiclaStarted happening yessterday10:35
mvoBUGabundo1: do you always get the "Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"" ?10:35
BUGabundo1what do you mean always?10:35
BUGabundo1only the log shows tatr10:36
BUGabundo1*that10:36
BUGabundo1on the cli or using Appearance the text is diff mvo10:36
mvoaboSamoor: "gnome-session[5025]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager:ID: /org/gnome/SessionManager/App11app-id:compiz.desktopis-disabled:1is-conditionally-disabled:0" - that looks a bit odd, could you please open "gnome-session-propoerties" and check if its listed there?10:38
mvoBUGabundo1: I mean the error text, if its different when running from appearance, could you please paste that as well? that might be useful information10:39
aboSamoormvo: I added compiz as startup application as a work around. but I disabled it because compiz must work on startup if it was enabled in the last session. Sometime this worka around works10:40
aboSamoorprevious session*10:40
aboSamoormvo: am I correct ?10:41
mvoaboSamoor: aha, ok. that explains it10:41
BUGabundo1mvo: not right now! I'm at work! can't mess my laptop... latter maybe10:42
mvoaboSamoor: do you have session management enable ("remember running app" in gnome-session-preferences)?10:42
mvoBUGabundo1: that would be nice, anytime that works for you :)10:43
BUGabundo1"Desktop effects could not be enabled"10:43
BUGabundo1that all Appearace says10:43
BUGabundo1after I try to enable Extras10:43
mvoBUGabundo1: it should print some additional stuff into ~/.xsession-errors10:43
BUGabundo1tailing it now10:43
aboSamoormvo: you mean "Automatically remember running applications when logging out", if yes. No it is not enabled and it was not in 8.1010:44
mvoaboSamoor: thanks.10:44
BUGabundo1mvo http://paste.ubuntu.com/126228/10:44
mvoBUGabundo1: thanks! the (internal) compiz error is the same, thats good10:45
BUGabundo1this10:45
BUGabundo1Checking for Software Rasterizer: Not present.10:45
BUGabundo1and this10:45
BUGabundo1Checking for Xgl: not present.10:45
mvo(at least its consistent)10:45
BUGabundo1are not so nice!10:45
mvoaboSamoor: could you please remove compiz.desktop from session-properties (not just disable it) and see if that makes a different in the ~/.xsession-errors file?10:46
BUGabundo1FYI this is Nvidia 8400 with prop drivers ON10:46
mvo/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0" <- that is the one that makes it fail10:46
mvolooks like a issue deep down10:46
aboSamoormvo: I will enable compiz and restart ? does not log out work ?10:48
mvoaboSamoor: logout should be enough10:52
aboSamoormvo: it works :-D. and this is the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/126230/ . can you explain what was the problem ?10:55
mvoaboSamoor: I think the porblem is gnome-session, it knows that it should use compiz as its WM but because it was also (disabled) in the autostart files it did not use it. so no window manager10:57
mvoI think thats a bug in gnome-session10:57
BUGabundo1mvo: do you have any idea why going to Guest Session from FUSA only works with Compiz ON?11:13
Infectofiu fiu11:50
Infectoi hit compiz --replace11:50
Infectoand and11:50
Infectob699b000-b69bb000 rw-s 341c1000 00:0e 8606       /dev/nvidia011:50
Infectob6aad000-b6aba000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 138871     /lib/libgcc_s.so.111:50
InfectobAborted (core dumped11:50
BUGabundo1mvo: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^11:54
taggieSo, I don't know what changed in the last couple days, but my laptop battery life is nearly double what it was last week. Anybody else notice this?12:25
dns53doesn't that mean something last week was really bad that drew twice the power?12:26
UbuntuUser661278Hi. first of all sorry 4 my bad english. So... i got a problem with my "nice" new Mainbord (Biostar TF720) first of all Ubuntu seams 2 got a problem with the SATA Controller. After upgrade 8.10 wont start anymor. I found a Boot option that hepls me 2 get 9.04 live boot "pci=nomsi"12:29
UbuntuUser661278after that i tryed to install linux on a external usb device (at time of installation SDC) but it wont boot. Grub tells me something about error 212:29
UbuntuUser661278is it possible that at installation time the devices got another order than at boot time couze of the not right working raid controller ? (SDA and SDB are a stripped volume)12:32
taggiedns53, it's been bad ever since i got this laptop (5-6 months ago) gutsy and intrepid were both bad12:35
taggieUbuntuUser, devices are mounted by their UIDs now, not by device enumerator, so that shouldn't matter.12:36
dns53it's a grub bug with the installer, grub was installed on the wrong drive and you are booting in a different order in the bios than your real hardware12:37
taggiesupergrubdisk should be able to resolve that then.12:37
dns53yeah you need another cd and to install grub manually to get it working12:38
dns53the installer has problems installing to the second disk, by default it puts grub on the first disk12:39
mvoBUGabundo1: hm, the above crash looks like something with hte nvidia binary driver, sorry, no idea. for the problem you mentioned earlier on your system a bugreport would be nice12:45
* Hobbsee throws a gummy bear at mvo12:45
UbuntuUser661278supergrubdisk ... wow that sounds great ! "Hilfe zur Selbsthilfe" german for Help someone to help himself :) and a gurb console on a usb-hd sound realy nice BIG THANKS12:52
balchdHi, can someone help me troubleshoot a network problem please: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/33667412:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 336674 in atl2 "No network after putting Jaunty on EeePC 900" [Undecided,New]12:55
dns53there where 2 ppl yesterday that reported driver problems, try an older kernel12:57
balchddns53: ok, where can I find the older kernel packages?13:00
dns53aptitude? i'd search for kernel-image and that should have all installable kernels13:02
balchddns53: As my problem is no network I need to download them on a different machine, but I think I've figured out how to do it via packages.ubuntu.com. Cheers.13:14
dns53you can always stick in a live cd, mount your root to /mnt then chroot to /mnt then you have network and apt avalible13:18
aboSamoorhow can I test the performance of compiz and/or xserver ? I think i have low performance13:19
dns53compiz has a benchmark plugin13:19
taggieabosamoor, you can turn on benchmark plugin and see. i believe the default keys are super-f1213:20
taggieI've had really good performance after the xorg intel update yesterday.13:20
AnRkeycrdlb, how do i get the main-menu applet to use my new run.desktop launcher file in the :~/.local/share/applications dir?13:41
aboSamoorit is about 150 frame/second. I think now it is problem in flash player because it is not working in good way13:45
* BUGabundo catches Hobbsee gummy in mid air!13:47
aboSamoortaggie: is 150 frame/second is good for compiz ?13:49
aboSamoordtchen_: Is there anything new for mic in ubuntu ?13:50
BUGabundodtchen_: ping no audio again :(13:50
nemoaboSamoor: better than my 33 :-p13:51
aboSamoornemo: 33 !! I thought it was compiz, I think I have problem with flash player13:52
AnRkeythat must have been one slow moving gummy :)13:53
BUGabundoAnRkey: ROFL13:53
BUGabundomvo: will file one then! do you want to be subscribed? against what should I file ? nvidia-glx or Xorg?13:54
nemoaboSamoor: 33 looks fine to me, although I admit my card isn't the greatest13:55
nemoaboSamoor: actually, anything over 24fps will look fine in most cases to a human13:55
nemowith exception of some interactions of various bits of 3d games13:55
nemowhere the fps is not the final word13:55
nemobut I should get a new card13:55
mvoBUGabundo: compiz for now, just give me the bugnumber when its there and I will reassign/add a bugtask. please include /var/log/Xorg.0.log as well (for completness)13:56
aboSamoormvo: should I file a bug against gnome-session for disabled compiz entry will disable compiz from running !13:56
aboSamoornemo: I see13:56
mvoaboSamoor: sounds good to me13:56
mnemoi cant reboot in jaunty right now? is that a know issue?14:02
nanonymeA word of caution, all 1.6 branch X servers including the one Jaunty currently has have a bug that prevents X from starting at all for some users with drivers using xrandr 1.2. The fix exists in X server master and is available here http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=8a6ed44a8b2fc5f14729dc54fec17607ced0385914:10
nanonymeYou do not want that bug getting into the release.14:10
nanonymeIt's also in the final 1.6.0 release so don't get your hopes up of just upgrading the package to that.14:12
nanonymeThat is, the bug is there.14:12
vbgunzin Kubuntu 9.04, I am not sure what happens *but* I think kwin crashes or goes bonkers at some point. All the windows become garbled and I cannot enter text into anything. luckily I use screen *but* this usually happens during a yakuake/screen session... I have a file in my home directory now I cannot delete named -> ๏ฟฝ=%23๏ฟฝ=exit14:24
scizzo-mnemo: I believe that it would help to tell us exactly what happens when you reboot...14:24
s0u][ighthello, the sound notification doesn't work for me14:29
vbgunzthe actual file name I cannot delete after this kwin/xorg crash or bonker episode of the unknown is ->   รฏยฟยฝ=#รฏยฟยฝ=exit.14:31
vbgunzI also notice after starting a new session, right away, kwin and xorg are both at it for cpu usage in at 15%+ each. is this normal?14:32
gpdIt is 2009. I started using linux in 1998. Back then I had problems with sound. Now IHAVE PROBLEMS WITH SOUND! OMG14:33
gpdand calm.14:33
mnemoscizzo-: when I select "reboot" from the top right menu, the screen flickers for a while and then I return to gdm login screen (without never seeing the bios etc)... same if I do "sudo reboot now" from a terminal.... I was thinking maybe its gdm that crashes during shutdown and gets auto restarted by failsafe but thats just a wild guess (I didnt see any segv messages in dmesg)14:33
vbgunzgpd: seriously, sound will never just work. I've been on Ubuntu since the tail end of Warty and sound was and still is and will be just borked. I don't think sound will ever be right :(14:35
gpdvbgunz: you would think an Audigy2 would 'just work' by now - balls.14:35
s0u][ightgpd: isn't oss4 working for you?14:36
gpds0u][ight: everything looks on paper to be working -- no errors -- but nothing comes out of the headphones14:36
gpdi have tried every mixer setting under teh sun - but no joy14:36
gpdweirdly it seems to be on intrepid and jaunty but was working fine on intrepid until a few weeks/months ago14:37
gpddownloading hardy live dvd to see WTF is going on - but running out of patience -- especially now that i caved and bought a shiny macbook14:37
s0u][ightgpd: what sound server are you using?14:37
gpds0u][ight: this is pretty much a default install14:38
s0u][ightgpd: are you working on a laptop?14:38
gpdexcept for any files in my /home/gpd that might be screwing around14:38
gpds0u][ight: no this is an intel desktop with PCI card14:38
s0u][ightaplay -l14:38
gpds0u][ight: http://pastebin.com/m519bc82114:39
s0u][ightgpd: #alsa is the place you should go to :)14:41
gpds0u][ight: thanks14:42
nanonymegpd: Audigy2 Works For Me (tm).14:43
nanonyme(If this was about ALSA)14:44
thehookhow can I see what got updated last time? is that possible..14:48
BUGabundodid ANYBODY else LOST wifi with latest kernel update????14:50
BUGabundoLinux blubug 2.6.28-7-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 9 15:42:34 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux14:50
BUGabundoI had to go back to -7 for it to work14:50
s0u][ightBUGabundo: what wireless card?14:50
BUGabundo-8 doesn't!14:50
BUGabundointel 4965 abn14:50
BUGabundo*abgn14:50
gpdseems it way a speaker issue -- found with speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -twav14:51
s0u][ight:| it works for me14:51
rohani am using the alpha 5 CD and i find that the brightness notification is not proper - the limits are out of bounds. where do i report a bug?14:51
BUGabundorohan: launchpad14:51
BUGabundotag it with "notifications"14:51
s0u][ightBUGabundo: what does iwconfig give?14:52
rohanBUGabundo: and against which package?14:52
BUGabundorohan: libindicate or libindicate014:53
BUGabundos0u][ight: can't show you that now!14:53
BUGabundoim on -7 to get work done14:53
rohanBUGabundo: thanks14:54
BUGabundonobody else having trouble with WIFI with latest updates???14:55
thehookBUGabundo: i did not loose wifi but i am with my gf now and here I cannot find her network thats stored.. but the neighboors i find :)14:56
BUGabundolinux-backports-modules-2.6.28 (2.6.28-8.7) jaunty; urgency=low  [Stefan Bader]14:56
BUGabundo  * scripts: Fix typo in prepare-compat-wireless.sh    - LP: #33257614:56
thehookand the neighboors network seems very unstable, the connection seems good but the strenght indicator is going up and down to full, 2 bars and empty14:58
ubuciko#ubuntu+1-de14:58
BUGabundothehook: ill be filling it in a while15:01
BUGabundoneed to get work done15:01
BUGabundocan't loose recently started new job15:01
BUGabundo;)15:01
thehookBUGabundo: can you relate to that? or is your completely not working?15:03
BUGabundothehook: won't even show up on iwconfig15:05
BUGabundono wlan15:05
BUGabundonow to test out and install vtiger CRM15:05
thehookany idea how only stored networks can be affected? and is it possible to reset all stored networks?15:08
BUGabundoyou can delete them from NM15:09
eternal_phey all..quick question..there is a mail icon beside my volume control in gnome, when I click on it...it tells me pidgin, however..I already have a pidgin icon...I'm just courious what this is for15:13
nemoeternal_p: is your pidgin monitoring any mailboxes? :)15:16
nemomaybe that was just a new mail notification in the notification area.15:16
eternal_pnemo: it is...however, I have no mail in either15:17
eternal_pI've never seen that icon on any dist until jaunty15:17
admin_masu3701hello i have a question... i dont know what happen but i am not root user anymore..i try to sudo apt-get update and get a message user is not in the sudoers15:20
admin_masu3701how can i become root again?15:21
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thehook_ok, i have some connection problems here, so i have to ask again.. - that didn't work.. do you know where the config folder for NM is?15:23
Slartibartfastadmin_masu3701: reboot in single user mode (recovery console) ... and you will be root .... then add yourself to the admin groups again by useradd -G adm admin youruseraccount15:26
SlartibartfastIf already in that groups, edit sudoers file with "visudo" ... and see if "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" is in there15:28
admin_masu3701cant access /etc/sudoers15:30
Slartibartfastadmin_masu3701: you need to reboot in recovery console15:30
admin_masu3701then what do i do after i reboot in recovery console?15:31
Slartibartfastjust wrote that for you15:31
Slartibartfastnow on the console can you do the  "groups" command?15:32
nemoeternal_p: well. I seem to recall gnome was trying to make a unified "messaging" thingy15:34
nemoeternal_p: lemme see if I can dig up the link15:35
Slartibartfastadmin_masu3701: Like from my user the groups output is  "richard adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare vboxusers"15:36
Slartibartfastadmin_masu3701: In recovery console you will be root and can edit any file you want ...15:38
Slartibartfastadmin_masu3701: /etc/sudoers you need to edit with the comamnd "visudo"15:39
Slartibartfastcommand*15:39
eternal_pthanks nemo15:39
unixdawgok whats up with firefox and seamonkey crashing all the time now15:46
admin_masu3701slartibartfast: am new to ubuntu15:52
admin_masu3701how do i edit sudoers? visudo gedit /etc/sudoers?15:53
Piciadmin_masu3701: If you don't mind me asking, why are you using Jaunty if you're new to Ubuntu?15:53
admin_masu3701Jaunty?15:53
Piciadmin_masu3701: You're in #ubuntu+1, this is the channel for Ubuntu 9.04, Jaunty Jackalope,.15:54
Pici!jaunty15:54
ubottuJaunty Jackalope is the code for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009 - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support.15:54
admin_masu3701Pici: i have ubuntu 8.1015:54
Piciadmin_masu3701: Then please join #ubuntu and ask there.15:54
admin_masu3701ok15:55
carl0s-Latest updates have broken ath5k wireless module? Known issue?16:17
carl0s-WARNING: Error inserting lbm_cw_cfg80211 (/lib/modules/2.6.28-8-generic/updates/lbm_cw-cfg80211.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)16:17
scizzo-carl0s-: check launchpad16:20
scizzo-carl0s-: should be in there if it is16:20
ali1234no16:20
carl0s-scizzo-, on way there now.. I always fail at searching bugzillas and what not :)16:20
scizzo-carl0s-: also check dmesg16:20
ali1234that error is happening because you have installed wireless-compat from source16:20
ali1234or is it compat-wireless16:21
carl0s-scizzo-, dmesg gives lots of problems16:21
scizzo-aaaa16:21
scizzo-carl0s-: listen to ali123416:21
ali1234anyway /lib/modules/2.6.28-8-generic/updates/ <- updates folder means you are NOT using distro modules16:21
ali1234and there is a mismatch16:21
ali1234probably you need to recompile and reinstall compat-wireless16:21
carl0s-ali1234, I haven't .. I don't think. although I did build madwifi manually a while ago to have a go with aircrack-ng before ath5k worked on this chipset. as far as I know I am working fairly normally ?16:21
ali1234or just 'make uninstall' it16:21
carl0s-ali1234, http://pastebin.com/m2b7d100316:23
ali1234so you no longer have the source?16:24
carl0s-here's the dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/m63e658e216:24
carl0s-ali1234, nah, I definately didn't compile compat wireless. I pull down updates daily for jaunty and haven't had a problem until just now.16:24
ali1234dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.6.28-8-generic/updates/lbm_cw-cfg80211.ko16:24
carl0s-I am using updates-proposed though if that matters ..16:25
sammyso someone finds, what I guess is called a regression bug, in a package. it was working, some changes in jaunty happen, and the program no longer works. the bug is noticed, the bug is fixed, at least, the programs bug tracker says the fix has been tested and committed (I assume to their svn/cvs/whatever)16:25
cumulus007taskel fails here16:25
cumulus007error code 10016:25
cumulus007anyone experiencing this?16:25
sammywhat is the next step to see that updated package appear in the jaunty repositories? I'm just curious. does someone submit the updated package to a testing area before it moves into the general jaunty repository?16:25
ali1234carl0s-: dpkg command will tell you what package installed that file (if any)16:25
carl0s-ali1234, it's looking for it now, thanks.16:26
carl0s-ali1234, linux-backports-modules-2.6.28-8-generic16:26
ali1234carl0s-: that's the packaged version of compat-wireless :)16:26
carl0s-ali1234, :) so I am apparently using the right files then!16:27
carl0s-?16:27
ali1234yeah ... it's a bug then... version mismatch16:28
carl0s-d'oh16:28
carl0s-:)16:28
ali1234bug 33771116:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 337711 in linux "[Jaunty] ath5k reports missing symbols when -backports installed" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33771116:30
carl0s-d'oh. somebody beat me to it16:30
carl0s-ubottu, yeah.. I've just found that when filing the bug :( thought I was going to be first for a minute :)16:31
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)16:31
carl0s-ah16:31
carl0s-thanks ali123416:31
BUGabundohttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/193970?comments=all16:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 193970 in linux "iwl3945 | iwl4965: Wireless can't be activated after disabling kill switch" [Medium,Confirmed]16:33
BUGabundoit seems this update was the one that messed my wifi16:33
ali1234i upgraded one of my machine to jaunty about a week ago. ever since it keeps turning off or reseting itself16:36
ali1234it seems like a hardware problem but it started happening the same day i upgraded. i really hate stuff like that16:37
ali1234it happens after about 1-2 hours at random, and leaves nothing in the logs16:38
gpdwhat is the replacement for tracker in jaunty?16:40
gpdtracker-utils doesn't seem to be installed by default.16:40
BUGabundogpd: ??16:41
gpdhow can you have a desktop OS without a metadata file searcher?16:41
BUGabundo$ apt-cache rdepends tracker16:41
BUGabundotracker16:41
BUGabundoReverse Depends:16:41
BUGabundo  tracker-dbgsym16:41
BUGabundo  catfish16:41
BUGabundo  brdesktop-gnome16:41
BUGabundo  tracker-utils16:41
BUGabundo  tracker-search-tool16:41
BUGabundo  tracker-dbg16:41
BUGabundo  shared-mime-info16:41
BUGabundo  libdeskbar-tracker16:41
BUGabundohumm it got lost from ubuntu-desktop16:41
BUGabundofile a bug!16:42
gpdthere are forum posts saying that it is 'being dropped'... ???16:42
gpdhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1068029 <-- for example16:42
gpdi have always had issues with tracker -- so it wouldn't entirely surprise me.16:43
gpdit seems to keep losing all indexes and requires a re-index whenever i want to search for anything -- cf. spotlight which 'just works'16:44
BUGabundogpd: it was droped on hard I think16:46
BUGabundobut it should have come back16:46
BUGabundoask on #ubuntu-devel16:47
BUGabundoor file a bug16:47
gpdi have installed google-desktop-linux and will return to my day job :)16:47
unixdawgmorning17:14
unixdawgwhats up with firefox and seamonkey crashing all the time17:14
lanoxx-can someone tell me, if i download the source of a packet with apt-get source <packet>, then i get 3 files and one folder (usually), now what are the 3 files for? do i have to do something with them until now i just did ./configure and make but it seems the application behaves differently than the precompiled one with ubuntu17:16
CarlFKlanoxx-: yeah, hold...17:17
CarlFKlanoxx-: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb  instead of ./configure... do debuild -us -uc -i -I17:18
lanoxx-ok, i do that in the root of the folder that was downloaded?17:20
lanoxx-@ CarlFK17:20
CarlFKlanoxx-: um.. if I undersatnd, yes.  to be clear: do what that page says: cd <newly created dir>17:21
saxinWill Jaunty get a new look, or wont that happen before 9.10?17:22
lanoxx-CarlFK, ok thx, maybe i will eventually get the program to work :-)17:24
CarlFKlanoxx-: I have been using that 'procedure' quite a bit - let me know if something doesn't seem right17:24
lanoxx-CarlFK, actually i just saw that it will create a .deb with that, but i only need the binary at this moment (maybe in the future if i actually should fix the bug i will have to make a .deb)17:27
lanoxx-the thing is that the application uses a macro to define a path (DATADIR) which i dont know where it gets defined and how it gets updated (maybe through the makefile?!?)17:28
lanoxx-that was why i started to wonder how the actual build process works17:29
lanoxx-brb17:29
CarlFKlanoxx-: what's wrong with having a .deb ?17:32
lanoxx-CarlFK, i just run the binary from the folder where i compiled it, as i dont want it to overwrite the original package17:37
lanoxx-if i have a .deb it means i have to install it everytime i recompile17:38
lanoxx-dont it?17:38
lanoxx-s/it/i17:38
CarlFKthere is a binary left somewhere, you can just run that17:39
CarlFKfor instance, I run:  dvswitch-trunk/build/src/dvswitch - not sure how consistent that is across builds17:40
andre_pldoes anyone know how to tie into the new notification system via a python (or other) script?17:43
cumulus007andre_pl: isn't is just as simple as some DBus connections?17:45
lanoxx-CarlFK, yeah the binary it there, but during the build process the macro: DATADIR gets defined to be /usr/local/share while in fact it should be /usr/local and i dont know how to correct that17:45
lanoxx-i also dont want to add a "/../../" in front of all the occurences of DATADIR in the source17:46
andre_plcumulus007: I dont know, I can't find any info on it anywhere :( mind you i'm only about 75% through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD17:46
lanoxx-typo: it should be /usr/share (not /usr/local/share17:47
CarlFKlanoxx-: dig around in the debian/ dir - its defined int there somewhere17:48
lanoxx-i dont know, if i search with grep DATADIR * i get 20-30 occurences in some makefiles and somewhere else and they again resolve to other macros which again resolve to other macros, so i cant really figure out where exactly the problem is that DATADIR gehts set to /usr/local/share instead of /usr/share17:51
lanoxx-CarlFK, are you sure i can ignore the files in that were downloaded with the folder when i ran apt-get souce <package> ?17:52
CarlFKyep17:52
CarlFKgrep DATADIR - what dir did you do that in?17:53
CarlFKthis is still a problem, right?  python-xml: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed17:55
lanoxx-both in the root and in src and in debian18:00
lanoxx-in debian i found nothing, in src and in the root quite a lot18:00
lanoxx-but nothing that tells me why its pointing to /usr/local/share18:02
lanoxx-e.g i get an error when i run the app: /usr/local/share/fast-user-switch-applet/ui.glade was not found, because its located in /usr/share/fast-...18:03
CarlFKlanoxx-: whats the package name? (so I can apt-get source it)18:14
lanoxx-fast-user-switch-applet18:17
lanoxx-but im acctually on intrepid (im just asking here because i thought the change of talking to someone familiar with developement woud be higher)18:18
BUGabundodtchen_: around?18:18
cumulus007andre_pl: are you still there?18:25
CarlFKlanoxx-: i won't tell if you dont ;)18:28
andre_plcumulus007: yep18:29
andre_plgot a little closer. still not quite working though18:29
cumulus007andre_pl: already figured out how to manage those notifications?18:29
cumulus007andre_pl: It's dbus, isn't it?18:29
cumulus007andre_pl: I want to control them with python too :-)18:30
andre_plcumulus007: Yeah, i got a message popping up now. its pretty ugly.18:30
andre_pli'll paste the code, 1 sec18:30
cumulus007andre_pl: thanks18:31
lanoxx-i would go on jaunty but im abroad at the moment to i only got my laptop with me and its a productive system, so i dont want to go to jaunty atm18:32
lanoxx-also i might go when the beta i out, at that time it should be relatively save18:32
andre_plcumulus007: http://rafb.net/p/euhQ0q54.html18:33
cumulus007thanks18:33
andre_plyou can get the list of paramters and what they mean by calling remote_object.Introspect()18:33
cumulus007okay18:34
cumulus007I'm pretty new to python18:34
andre_plwell, that example there will get a notification up on your screen, thats a good start :)18:35
cumulus007does it work on Kubuntu?18:35
andre_plcumulus007: I would think so. but I'm not sure.18:35
quentusrexis there a way to install a package from jaunty in intrepid?18:59
quentusrexand have apt resolve the deps?19:00
fosco__not easy and no good idea quentusrex19:00
quentusrexok...19:00
quentusrexI'm debating if it would be better to build my own software for a few productions servers, or upgrade to jaunty and deal with the possible bugs...19:01
joaopintoquentusrex, upgrading to jaunty on a production server is not recommended during this phase19:02
quentusrexno, not during this phase...19:02
joaopintoah :P19:02
quentusrexI'd wait until the release, and a couple bugs to get squashed from there...19:03
quentusrexbut I'd like to use a newer version of libvirt19:03
quentusrexand kvm19:03
Wellarkugh.. I just installed kubuntu aplha5 from alternative CD on my laptop20:04
Wellarkit's kinda funny as I'm quite sure I didn't see any place to specify where to install GRUB20:05
Wellarkmy MBR _had_ TrueCrypt bootloader for my Windows and well.. it's gone :/20:06
Wellarkluckily I have TC recovery CD so I should be able to restore the MBR20:06
WellarkI will try again on spare partition and pay extra attention.. Does anyone remember where the grup install location could be changed?20:08
platiusWellark;  as I remember their is an "advanced" button when the install syas it is about toformat the partitions20:10
platiusthere20:10
Wellarkok. I just might have missed it, but I'll try again20:11
platiusWellark;  not too intuitive20:11
Wellarknegative.. manual partitioner didn't have anything related to grub20:21
danbhfiveWellark: its like the last dialog20:25
Wellarkdanbhfive: OK, let's see.. currently at "Select and install software"20:28
danbhfiveare you running the alternate install cd?20:29
Wellarkdanbhfive: yes.. please, see above..20:30
danbhfiveWellark: ok, sorry about that.  My experience is mainly with the livecd.  I'm not sure about the alternate cd...20:31
Wellarkdanbhfive: np. :)20:33
Wellarkok. after the software installation came "is your system clock in UTC" and then "Installation is done"20:40
Wellarkhouston, we have a problem20:40
Wellarkhmm.. pressing "go back" on the last page gives me the list of different installation stages.. there's  "Install the Grub bootloader on a hard disk" right after "select and install software"20:43
Wellarkselecting that just installs grub on MBR, no questions asked20:43
Wellarkthere's a message "searching other operating systems" and it doesn't seem to find any even though there's windows XP installed (crypted with truecrypt) on /dev/sda1 and another kubuntu installation has it's /boot on /dev/sda220:45
WellarkI'm thinking the installer fails to find the other OS' and thinks it's perfectly OK to install to the MBR X|20:47
TuTUXGiwl3945 not working?20:50
S7UMPYwhat are the new features on 9.04?21:04
Wellarkah, I just found #ubuntu-installer.. I'm taking this there.21:14
cwillu!info uswsusp21:18
ubottuuswsusp (source: uswsusp): tools to use userspace software suspend provided by Linux. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-1.1ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 154 kB, installed size 484 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 powerpc)21:18
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quentusrexHow would I manually download a package from jaunty and install it on intrepid? is there a howto for that?21:20
fosco_mixing version packages is the best way to damage your system21:22
cwillu!backports ! quentusrex21:23
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)21:23
cwillu!backport ! quentusrex ?21:23
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)21:23
quentusrex:)21:23
cwillugo look up backports :p21:23
charlie-tca!backport21:23
ubottuIf new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging21:23
cwillubah, |, not !21:24
quentusrex!backport |quentusrex21:24
cwilluevidently 3 cups of coffee isn't enough to wake me up21:24
ubottuquentusrex, please see my private message21:24
quentusrexok21:24
charlie-tcai know21:24
quentusrexwell, I am having a problem with the package... I'm trying to rebuild it to a newer version,21:24
quentusrexbut there are a decent number of ubuntu related changes....21:25
quentusrexso building form source isn't a non-trivial option.21:25
rippsCan someone direct me someplace to get some assistance with updating a plugin to work notify-osd.21:27
ronnyanyone aware of weird python2.6 changes?21:33
ronnysuddenly distutils appends 'local' to all prefixes i give it21:34
cwillu2.6 is all the 3.0 stuff that can be backported to the 2.x series, correct?21:35
crdlbronny: it's supposed to default to /usr/local21:35
ronnycrdlb: i give it ~/.local and it tries ~/.local/local21:36
crdlbwhich is a good idea21:36
crdlblol21:36
ronnycrdlb: also it breaks virtualenv21:36
ronnycause i tries to install stuff into $env/local instead of $env21:36
crdlbcwillu: yeah, that's the basic idea; it also gives deprecation warnings for modules that have been removed in 3.021:37
crdlbronny: ok, it does the same thing here21:38
ronnycrdlb: thats kinda retarded21:39
crdlbronny: I'd guess it was accidental21:40
ronnywho is to blame for this shit, its been breaking my project env for hours21:40
crdlbI don't think anybody would do that intentionally21:40
ronnydebians idea?21:40
ronnythey also did that openssl thing unintentional21:41
crdlbclearly, they're trying to make the default prefix /usr/local instead of /usr21:41
crdlbwhich is a good idea21:41
crdlbbut if the implementation is prefix + '/local', they need to rethink it :P21:41
Oli```Anyone else having various python issues with deluge?21:45
Numbersanyone had the new usplash packages appear in update manager yet? can't see em here21:49
* Twigathy lives on the bleeding edge and installs ubuntu+1 in a VM to see if NFS boot has been broken at all >_>21:51
TwigathyI'll yell if I encounter any fun problems :D21:51
ronnyhmm21:52
cwilluis it just me, or are you surprised that something broke in jaunty?21:58
* charlie-tca raises hands22:00
Numberscwillu, i've been on it a week and have only had 2 issues, the rest has been good22:08
Numbersoh and breakage want even ubuntu, it was nvidia22:10
bazookatoothwhat settings in gconf-editor do i change to make NotifyOSD always display in the left monitor if i'm using dualscreens?22:12
bazookatoothi love the new notification system, i just never get to see it because i'm usually coding in the left monitor, so its nearly useless to me22:13
crdlbbazookatooth: I don't think that was implemented at all22:15
bazookatoothno way to specify?22:15
crdlbthe spec on the wiki says it should appear on the output which currently contains the pointer22:16
bazookatoothhmm22:16
bazookatoothits always top right of the rightmost monitor22:16
crdlbbut the code doesn't actually do that22:16
bazookatoothyeah22:16
bazookatoothits funny that notification-properties still exists22:17
bazookatoothas it does nothing :)22:17
crdlbit works for me in gnome-stracciatella :)22:17
bazookatoothwhat is that?22:17
crdlban "almost vanilla" gnome session22:18
crdlbso no notify-osd22:18
bazookatoothah22:19
bazookatoothi know it seems worthless.. but its the little things like that that are going to finally push linux over the top w/ consumers22:19
bazookatoothi've switched 2 xp users this month just by showing them my desktop post jaunty22:19
bazookatoothand they've both stuck w/ it and are in love22:20
bazookatoothi really think awn should be std22:20
Numbersbazookatooth, it's still someway behind os x at the moment but it's getting there22:28
bazookatoothyup.. and much, much cheaper. :)22:28
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zirodaybazookatooth: awn can be buggy, I doubt it will ever be standard22:35
mycroessmall question...22:35
mycroesI have ext4 on lvm on RAID 5, currently running gentoo22:35
mycroesmy homedir is ext4, won't be converting it22:35
mycroescan I migrate this configuration to jaunty?22:35
cwillujaunty has ext4 turned on, yes.  You can even mount it by hand in intrepid (ext4 is enabled there, marked as experimental)22:37
zirodaybut your /boot partition will have to be ext3 as grub legacy can only read ext322:38
JanCronny, crdlb: distutils was changed to add '/local' to the prefix, but for installing in your homedir you should use --home, not --prefix22:38
mycroescwillu, mounting won't work as experimental because I don't create my filesystems -E test_fs22:38
mycroesziroday, currently booting off usb device (fat32 though, with grub legacy), that won't be any issue I guess?22:39
crdlbJanC: how about /opt/whatever?22:39
zirodaymycroes: not that I know of :)22:39
mycroesalso, not really jaunty specific, but is there some nice fellow that does recent kernel builds for ubuntu?22:40
mycroesin a ppa or something perhaps?22:40
mycroesI'm planning on buying an ath9k card22:40
mycroesso I will need a pretty recent kernel :P22:40
cwilluthere's an ath9k kernel module listed, if that's all you mean.  Otherwise, there are upstream kernels available in a ppa, although there are no restricted driver packages available for them22:42
cwillui.e., on your own for compiling/installing nvidia et al if you need them22:42
JanCcrdlb: there is also --install-base22:42
JanCcrdlb: I'm not sure the way this was handled is the best way though22:44
JanCmaybe the docs on the Debian wiki can explain22:45
crdlbit seems like changing default = '/usr' to default = '/usr/local', wherever that's stored would be more rational22:45
magciusIs Firefox 3.2 broken in Jaunty?22:46
bazookatoothi'm still using 3.0.622:46
mycroescwillu, dkms doesn't work with the kernel packages from the ppas?22:47
mycroescwillu, the ath9k driver is under heavy development, I'm especially after AP support22:48
cwillumycroes, dkms probably does, yes22:49
cwillumycroes, I want to tell you that the linux-backport-modules packages are exactly that (modules from later kernel releases backported to our current kernel), and so the ath9k available from there may still be useful to you, but I can't find any proof of that fact :p22:54
cwillu!info linux-backports-modules22:55
ubottuPackage linux-backports-modules does not exist in jaunty22:55
cwillu!info linux-backports-modules-jaunty22:56
ubottulinux-backports-modules-jaunty (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux backported drivers.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.28.8.8 (jaunty), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB22:56
cwilluannoyingly vague22:56
mycroescwillu, thanks, I'll at least look at that if I get to installing ubuntu :)22:57
mycroescwillu, and thanks for the other answers too22:58
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* cwillu starts begging for /usr/sbin/kernel-helper to be included in grub223:14
admin_masu3701how to i upgrade from 8.10 to 9..23:26
cwilluadmin_masu3701, 9.04?  You wait another month or two.  If you can't bare to wait another month or two, and you're comfortable fixing arbitrary breakage that's known to occur with alpha's, then sudo update-manager -c -d should do the trick23:28
cwilluplease do a backup first though ;p23:28
admin_masu3701cwillu: so 9.04 is not good at this moment?23:30
cwilluadmin_masu3701, it's great in my opinion, but that doesn't mean that somebody won't commit a broken package at some point:  we're the guinea pigs :)23:31
cwilluI wouldn't upgrade if you only have one machine at your disposal, that you absolutely can't live without23:32
admin_masu3701cwillu: so i should wait? is it alot better the 8.10?23:33
cwilluadmin_masu3701, if you want to help test, and you're comfortable doing troubleshooting, and you won't be completely sunk if something drastic happens, then feel free to upgrade23:36
cwilluit's not like we're _expecting_ utter breakage, but nobody is going to guarantee a trouble free experience23:36
cwilluif that doesn't scare you off, then you'll probably be fine :)23:37
admin_masu3701cwillu: what is the difference between the new version and the old one23:40
Twigathydamn - looks like the network mangler bug to do with NFSroot is still there23:41
TwigathyI *almost* got to the login screen with my nfsroot of ubuntu+1 :)23:41
cwilluadmin_masu3701, tonnes of stuff, literally.  New upstream versions of anything that has been updated since intrepid was frozen, basically23:41
cwilluadmin_masu3701, mostly incremental improvements though23:42
cwilluthe release notes have the very broad strokes (link is in the motd), you can also call up the changelog for any package you're curious about23:42
admin_masu3701cwillu: i feel like upgrading to it..haha23:44
cwilludon't let me stop you :p23:44
admin_masu3701but i can wait if it has alot problems right now23:44
* cwillu isn't sure that he's communicated effectively :p23:45
Twigathywahey, disabling network manager made my NFS root ubuntu+1 boot to a desktop :)23:50
TwigathySadly that does mean that NM is still broken for the [very] few that do use network boot23:50
TwigathyTotally not a standard install though :)23:50
ConstantineXVIIs the version of Qt in the repos the 4.5 release that hit yesterday?23:52
rww!info libqt4-core jaunty23:55
ubottulibqt4-core (source: qt4-x11): transitional package for Qt 4 core non-GUI runtime libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 4.5.0~+rc1-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 7 kB, installed size 72 kB23:56
rwwConstantineXVI: looks like it23:56
rwwConstantineXVI: it's either the final release or an RC, anyway23:56
cwilluhttp://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/2009/03/0223:57
rwwcwillu: I read that the other day. Interesting reading.23:58

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