[00:09] nemo - not necessarily [00:10] Volkodav: hm? :) [00:10] You do not have to have boot partition - it is wise to have one [00:10] yeah. no kidding? :) [00:10] why is that not a default in ubuntu :D [00:10] was regretting it after that little incident [00:10] did you try to reinstall grub insted [00:10] yeah. grub kept mucking up even after reinstall. [00:10] the jaunty's grub is patched for ext4 [00:10] grub2 though works great [00:11] oh. hmmm [00:11] well. I ran grub-pc as he suggested anyway [00:11] it might have just updated the menus, not rerun grub setup [00:11] oh well. [00:11] Volkodav: if jaunty's grub is patched for ext4, why'd I have problems in the first place? [00:12] BTW, it didn't happen immediately after updating to ext4. nope. was a couple of reboots later :-p [00:12] anyway. grub2 works, so all good. [00:12] well you kewl then [00:12] at least it is not ext4 to blame [00:13] * Volkodav hates reboots [00:16] Volkodav: why do you think it isn't ext4? :) [00:16] maybe the jaunty patch isn't quite right. [00:16] it is ok here [00:18] hey all...just getting going with Jaunty...everything is working fine, except the firefox bookmark, toolbar fonts are huge! any way to correct that [00:19] nemo because you said once grub2 installed you booted the system & [00:19] eternal_p: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HugeFonts [00:19] Volkodav: oh. misunderstood what you meant. yeah. the ext4 *partition* is fine [00:19] I still think grub itself had probs with ext4 [00:20] now, maybe the update to jaunty did not itself reinstall grub... [00:20] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=426788 [00:20] Mozilla bug 426788 in GFX: Thebes "When DPI set to 144, User interface is scretched very much. and html document is rendered very large." [Normal,New] [00:20] Yeah, Firefox' [00:20] DPI scaling is broken. [00:25] fosco_: thanks but there is no answer there [00:28] DanaG: thanks... [00:32] DanaG: this seems like an old bug, no? [00:33] Old, but still present! [00:33] Is there a page that talks about how to update a system with a livecd? like, what partition points do I have to mount? [00:33] danbhfive: you have to mount the root somewhere, then mount -o bind /proc /TARGET/proc and mount -o bind /dev /TARGET/dev [00:33] and same for sys, perhaps. [00:34] Where TARGET is wherever you mounted the other thing. [00:34] mk, cool, thanks [00:34] Then chroot into /TARGET [00:34] The two binds are key. [00:35] wusup [00:35] i have a big problem, I messed up my ubuntu instalation so now it wont boot, it will get past the loading screen then go black. Anyway, I want to reinstall ubuntu but I cant untill I get my files back. so here I am on a live cd trying to get my files, the only problem is, I think when I installed jaunty it incripted all my files or something because when I try to get into the home folder it says access denied or something. So How [00:35] (12:27:35 AM) ActionParsnip: servo888: use gmd / slim and select kde as your session [00:37] DanaG: is the bind option so /proc etc is available at both mount points? [00:37] =/ [00:37] shoot, left [00:38] I need helpppp [00:38] DowopDiDo: can you pastebin the exact error? [00:39] ok [00:40] Well, actually, its when I try to get into my user folder (Luke). "you do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Luke"." [00:40] thats exactly what it says [00:41] maybe you don't have permissions. Try with root permissions, (or pastebin an ls -al) [00:41] Can you tell me how to do that? [00:41] Well, i dont think its that actually [00:41] are you using a terminal? [00:42] When I installed jaunty, it gave me the option to encrypt my files just in case my computer got stolen, so yeah. I chose that option [00:43] hmmm, I dunno about that. I would figure that you would at least be able to backup the encrypted files [00:43] Yeah, I cant do anything with them [00:44] gota go, soryr [00:45] 0= [00:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319 [00:55] Launchpad bug 284319 in linux "mute, brightness buttons on new HP 6930p laptop" [Undecided,New] [01:36] ** (notify-osd:6723): WARNING **: bubble_recalc_size(): WARNING, no layout!!! [01:36] ** (notify-osd:6723): CRITICAL **: load_icon: assertion `info' failed [01:38] so now instead of black notifications... I have no notifications at all. [01:39] awesome [01:40] ... but only for some things: volume and brightness. [01:40] Gotta' love this newfangled notification system. [01:40] It's also unthemeable. [01:40] still in beta, isn't it? [01:41] er, at the very least, I know it's not done yet [01:41] But the unthemeability is supposedly by design: [01:41] the distro is in development; the software it ships needs to be finished much earlier in the cycle :) [01:41] crdlb: true, true [01:42] i'll be happy once they get it to display on the monitor the pointer is on [01:42] also once this weird 'flicker' I've noticed is fixed [01:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD [01:42] Note the thing about fixed background color. [01:43] yeah, under compiz instead of fading away gracefully it fades away then flickers back [01:43] you probably need to reset your animation settings [01:43] for some idiotic reason, it tries to fade itself instead of letting compiz do it [01:44] Under metacity, it just plain doesn't fade at all. [01:44] ah [01:44] I'll see if it still does that with animation off [01:44] then report [01:44] and yeah, themability should be a feature [01:44] that's one of the reasons I don't like the current notification-daemon; cause it looks like ass [01:45] there is no standard way to indicate that a window does its own effects, so they hacked it by adding somethinig like !name=notify-osd to animation's default match [01:45] which won't work if you've modified any of those window match settings [01:45] * DanaG switches to straciatella session. [01:46] that's indeed it [01:46] you can just reset the effect settings on Close Animations [01:46] haha, i can't grab the window name [01:47] indeed [01:47] that's silly [01:47] menus have the same problem [01:47] in thise case, it shapes away input so that you can click through it [01:48] in most cases, that's a definite feature [01:48] but yeah, now they just need to fix it so that it always appears on the screen with the monitor [01:48] er [01:48] with the pointer [01:48] the default rule matches by title=notify-osd, which isn't good [01:49] i just added a high-priority name=notify-osd 'none' rule [01:49] all is good [01:50] but yeah, right now that dual-screen but is the only thing keeping me from using notify-osd by default [02:01] i hope the whole 'turn buttoned alerts into dialog boxes' thing can be disabled [02:02] yeah, use gnome-stracciatella [02:03] an intuitive name if i've ever heard one [02:03] easy to spell, too [02:05] sounds like a pastry. [02:05] have I shown you the glassy-bleu theme? Probably zillions of times. [02:06] sorry, I only use dark themes. *is a walking GTK compatibility nightmare* [02:07] It IS a dark theme. [02:07] * crdlb waits for it [02:07] www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot [02:07] http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png [02:07] sorry, lost a part of the paste on the first one. Second one is the link. [02:12] eh, I don't like it [02:12] Also, OpenOffice fails with it. [02:12] also, how in gods name can you stand to have your icons all fucked up on the top panel? D: [02:12] Black text on black backgrounds. [02:12] I don't use that theme. =þ [02:13] Though my panel really is that cluttered. [02:13] oh my eyes [02:13] That's from HP's "Mobile Internet Experience". [02:13] what [02:13] and they have tweaks, such as disabling the gnome themes tab. =P [02:14] what [02:14] how is that a 'tweak' [02:14] does that mean you're stuck with that theme? [02:14] ... if you happen to use Hardy, and use their "dennis" version of the gnome things. [02:14] But, if you add it just as a source repo, you can grab and build just the theme, and nothing else. [02:15] I prefer my rather bright orange. [02:15] http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot.png [02:15] ... though I've change the background to one a bit less flamboyant. [02:17] I seriously do use a dark theme. [02:17] It's purdy. [02:17] Seems apport itself gives me a lot of crashes [02:18] must have something to do with the python upgrade [02:23] probably [02:48] Yo [02:50] Network manager keeps having to reconnect my wireless. It seems to happen every 15 to 30 minutes on average. I have a fairly old D-Link PCI wireless card and am connecting to a Verizon fios router with WEP. Any ideas how to diagnose this? Signal strength is good, so I don't think that's the problem. [02:51] wep? why bother? :) [02:52] Yeah I know, lol. Verizon routers don't support WPA for some crazy reason [02:52] really? [02:52] mhmm [02:52] my rev D does [02:52] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319 [02:52] Launchpad bug 284319 in linux "mute, brightness buttons on new HP 6930p laptop" [Undecided,New] [02:53] yargh. [02:53] Is there anyone really smart here that can help me fix a problem that no one else seams to be able to fix? Yes or no question [02:54] Well, here's my problem anyway, I messed up my ubuntu instalation so now it wont boot, it will get past the loading screen then go black. Anyway, I want to reinstall ubuntu but I cant untill I get my files back. so here I am on a live cd trying to get my files, the only problem is, I think when I installed jaunty it incripted all my files or something because when I try to get into the home folder it says access denied or somethin [02:54] I still can not get some apps installed with this python upgrade [02:54] mirage: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed [02:54] E: Broken packages [02:55] Arg [02:55] DowopDiDo: Are you using the GUI or command line? [02:56] I dont know what that is [02:56] Well, not the command line [02:56] Volkodav: I haven't hit any, but I guess they might not be done; make sure you're using archive.ubuntu.com and are uptodate [02:56] hmm, if his system won't boot, he'll have to chroot. [02:57] ok, whats that? [02:58] !http://cutecomputer.wordpress.com/2007/01/07/howto-dev-file-system-in-chroot-ed-environment/ [02:58] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:58] er, ! [02:59] ok, so what do I do then? [02:59] do what it says, though with corrections. [02:59] the mount --bind things [02:59] You'll want to find where your installed system's root is. [02:59] * DanaG has to boot Windows to run something not wine-able. [03:00] yargh. [03:01] does anyone here run mysql? [03:01] the process mysqld_safe is using %100 cpu and i dont know why... [03:01] sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop [03:02] doesn't kill it either [03:02] is there a way to like resize my ubuntu partition without deleting all my data? [03:02] DowopDiDo: yes, gparted can do it [03:03] It never seems to work with me, I dont really know how to do it [03:03] of course you shouldn't rely on it working (ie have a backup) [03:06] DowopDiDo, if the drive mounted it wont work, you should boot into a live cd [03:07] what do you mean? [03:07] the gparted live cd? [03:11] crdlb, deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu jaunty partner <== this one you mean ? [03:11] no [03:12] ? [03:12] I mean main, restricted, universe, and multiverse [03:13] yeah [03:13] those are all good [03:13] they're http://archive.ubuntu.com/... ? [03:13] about 2 weeks ago updating it requested to remove some packages and now I can not get them installed again with this error [03:15] us.archive yes [03:15] which is a mirror [03:15] right [03:15] and all up to date [03:16] deluge mirage and some others were removed [03:16] it's a good idea when using a development version to use the main ubuntu archive at http://archive.ubuntu.com [03:16] it's just the us server that's all [03:17] makes no difference really [03:19] but it takes longer for you to get packages [03:19] I use a local mirror with relased versions, but not with ubuntu+1 [03:21] I use both local mirror and official mirror. [03:21] Local mirror listed first in sources.list makes it preferred for same-version packages. [03:21] oh, you could do that :) [03:22] well I changed to the main server [03:22] see what happens [03:22] doubt it will help though [03:22] those pacgakes need to be rebuild against newer version of python [03:23] yes, it looks like python-libtorrent needs to be rebuilt [03:24] I wonder how [03:41] :-/ UI freeze is in 2 days. Are they going to respect that? 'cause... stuff kinda needs some work. [03:44] cdm10: what exactly, the notifications? [03:45] crdlb: that's one thing I feel is a bit rushed... also, the messaging applet. [03:46] now we have Pidgin's normal notification area applet, the semi-useful messaging applet, AND status-changing in the user-switcher menu. [03:46] it feels kinda bloaty... I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this. [03:47] meh, they should have targeted this stuff for karmic instead of jaunty [03:48] I agree... I feel like they do a lot of this to lend hype to a new release. [03:48] oh, and now Log Out is not available in the Gnome menus. [03:48] I mean, if you read the NotifyOSD spec, it lists a ton of applications that need to be fixed to work right with the new notifications. [03:49] * DanaG now has NO notifications of volume changes. [03:49] Not blank... just none at all. [03:51] yay :-/ [03:53] yup. [03:53] I do really like the login theme, though -- it's classy. [03:53] well, hopefully they will return at some point... stuff breaks. [03:54] why have they never used a login theme with a facebrowser as default? [03:54] I also don't like how the bubbles come the way the Model T Ford came.... [03:54] (get the reference?) [03:54] DanaG: I do not. [03:54] Only one color: black. =P [03:54] lol [03:54] !lol | cdm10 [03:54] cdm10, please see my private message [03:54] ...that's new. [03:54] I don't see anything wrong with lol. [03:55] ubottu did not like what I just did. [03:55] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:56] first, applications started using the notification area for things that were decidedly not notifications (pidgin, transmission, pretty much everything... although it started long before those) [03:56] ...so now we're eliminating the use of the notification area for actual persistent notifications? [03:56] i don't get it. === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [03:58] !info gnome-session-stracciatella [03:58] Package gnome-session-stracciatella does not exist in jaunty [03:58] !info gnome-session-straciatella [03:58] Package gnome-session-straciatella does not exist in jaunty [03:58] argh, shows how easy it is to speeleele the thing. [03:58] =P [03:58] !info gnome-session-stracciatela [03:58] Package gnome-session-stracciatela does not exist in jaunty [03:58] !info gnome-session-straciatela [03:58] Package gnome-session-straciatela does not exist in jaunty [03:59] * DanaG gives up. [03:59] gnome-stracciatella-session [04:00] it's not _that_ hard to spell [04:05] yeah, but what does it _mean_? (looked up what it does already) [04:06] nm [04:06] misspelled soup [04:07] it's a somewhat vanilla GNOME setup [04:07] crdlb: ah, I transposed two words. [04:08] picked up that so far. does the wiki page include all alternative components? [04:08] it's named after the italian version of chocolate chip ice cream [04:08] I'm so far behind on everything I might as well start there [04:08] dang, now I'm hungry. [04:09] it's almost vanilla but there are these ubuntu (chocolate) bits in it :) [04:09] yeah, I read that caveat ;) [04:10] but expecting a true vanilla anywhere is silly [04:11] * DanaG wonders when ATI will release a new fglrx... and if it'll be just as broken as the other fglrx have been for me on Intrepid. [04:11] afaict, all it does is turn off notify-osd in favor of notification-daemon, and make the indicator applet a no-op [04:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 [04:11] Launchpad bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,Confirmed] [04:12] ... with a stacktrace, too. =P [04:12] crdlb: I thought it changed the theme and stuff too [04:12] maybe, I already switched to clearlooks :) [04:13] * DanaG uses the Nodoka engine. [04:16] My EliteBook has lots of interesting quirks that have yet to be dealt with for Linux. [04:21] danged fuggleruxx. [04:21] fglrx. [04:21] how do you pronounce that, anyway? [04:21] Almost sounds like stifled swearing. [04:21] eff gee el are ex [04:21] I like fuggleruxx better. [04:21] argh, that *fglrx* thing [04:23] speaking of fglrx, 'xorg-driver-fglrx' isn't a great pkgname [04:23] I just wonder why fglrx is broken for me, even in Intrepid. [04:23] Something funky going on there. [04:23] crdlb: what's wrong witht he package name? [04:24] Doesn't fit standards. [04:24] xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd [04:24] it doesn't contain 'ati' [04:24] for example. [04:24] aha [04:24] no, that would imply it's an official X driver [04:24] ah. [04:24] Perhaps it should be xorg-driver-ati-fglrx [04:24] technically the 'r' stands for radeon, but nobody knows that :) [04:24] fgl is FireGL, of course. [04:25] I can't count the number of intel users who have installed fglrx [04:25] crdlb: why would one do that? [04:25] I have no idea [04:25] Hi all, am running Jaunty Alpha5 and having problem installing Google Earth from Medibuntu. Error says "googleearth: Depends: googleearth-4.2 but it is not installable or googleearth-4.3 but it is not installable" Any tips on how I can install it via repo? Would rather do it through medibuntu than the alternative script installer available directly from google [04:28] at least it has 'fglrx' in the name [04:28] is pulse audio meant to be the jaunty default? [04:28] alex_mayorga: it has been since hardy, hasn't it? [04:29] crdlb, how do I confirm? [04:29] confirm what? [04:30] that I have pulseaudio, my audio still shows (Alsa mixer) [04:30] * DanaG wishes PulseAudio would use BOTH capture channels of my hda-intel card. [04:31] It can actually capture from two different sources at the same time, independently. [04:32] well my whole point is that my bluetooth headphones still don't seem to work in jaunty [04:32] .... and PA gives no way to choose any of those. [04:32] Yeah, Linux BT audio is just plain broken, I believe. [04:32] It's never worked well for me. [04:32] Also my control still says "Volume Applet 2.25.91" is that OK? [04:34] It also says its "Using GStreamer 0.10" [04:36] so I guess I don't have pulse, do I? [04:37] you do === h00k is now known as captin === captin is now known as h00k [04:39] how do I route audio to my bluetooth headphones then? [04:39] DanaG: any pointers? [04:40] Beats me. [04:40] BonezAU, get the deb package from synaptic and it will install the latest 5 version [04:41] In fact, I can't even seem to make an rfcomm connection in Gnome. [04:41] I have font problem with ver 5 [04:43] Volkodav, which deb package are you referring to [04:43] and where would I be likely to find it [04:44] After performing a full search for google in Synaptic the only thing related to google earth is the medibuntu version (i have universe/multiverse etc enabled too) [04:45] is anyone else noticing their mousewheel (perhaps on their touchpad) is not working? [04:49] I guess not :) I have no idea which package I should be suggesting is at fault when I make a bug report. Any suggestions? [04:56] googleearth [06:35] what command is used to bring up the run application box that I get when I push alt+f2? [06:35] there isn't a command per se [06:36] crdlb, a way to call it via command line? [06:36] on gnome your window manager (either compiz or metacity) sends an X ClientMessage which the gnome-panel listens for and shows the dialog [06:37] crdlb, i want to add a "start > run" option for some winblows users [06:37] you can use gnome-panel-control --run-dialog [06:37] is search broken in gedit? [06:37] which is somewhat bizarrely included with openbox [06:38] I guess because openbox gnome users need it [06:38] d1g1t: it does appear so [06:38] crdlb, what all can gnome-panel-control do? [06:38] oh :( [06:38] * AnRkey wonders if it could do other cool stuff [06:38] the only other switch is --main-menu [06:39] which wouldn't help, I think :> [06:39] what does the main menu switch do me wonders [06:39] thanks crdlb :) [06:40] I don't think that came out right :) [06:40] :) [06:41] is there no way to get it a run dialog box without installing an extra addon? [06:41] i need this kinds standard [06:41] soz, i'm being special this morning [06:41] d1g1t: I figured out a workaround [06:42] my run dialog doesn't work. I wonder why [06:42] if you could somehow emulate a alt+f2 [06:42] people talking to me while i chat [06:42] d1g1t: just choose something from the dropdown and it suddenly works [06:42] but surely there is a simple way to call this prompt? [06:42] Hobbsee: you're not using gnome and compiz are you? :) [06:42] crdlb: yes [06:43] hmm, google for "dbus gnome run dialog" [06:43] is there a dbus interface? [06:43] crdlb: also, my devilspie for some reason can't count. [06:43] Maybe. [06:43] or at least, gets workspace "1" wrong. any idea why? [06:43] DanaG, thanks [06:43] crdlb, thanks [06:43] I seem to remember using it once, when running gnome stuff in xfce. [06:43] Hobbsee: the alt-f1/f2 code is now in a plugin instead of being handled by the decorator [06:44] the latest compiz-wrapper package attempts to force loading of the gnomecompat plugin, but it doesn't appear to actually _work_ [06:44] ah. oh dear. [06:45] I didn't think it would or I'd have suggested that to mvo when I first realized this was going to be painful [06:45] DanaG, i don't know dbus to well [06:45] too [06:45] bah, I opened devhelp instead of d-feet [06:45] crdlb: lol thanks [06:47] * Hobbsee tries smacking it with the importance stick, for a fix [06:47] compiz configuration sucks so badly :/ [06:48] i just wish it would stay standard [06:48] my config file never imports correctly [06:48] makes me want to cry when i have to set it up all over again on a new box [06:49] the biggest single issue is that the plugin list is a single setting, so ubuntu can't just introduce a new plugin and enable it by default [06:49] since many users have already modified that list, even if only by choosing 'extra' [06:51] darn [06:51] thank goodness for gnome-do! but still [06:52] crdlb: oh, and any idea why my home and end keys don't work in vim anymore? [06:52] and even that wouldn't work for gnomecompat unless you wanted to enable it for kde users too [06:52] ;) [06:52] lol [06:52] do any kde users actually use compiz? they have kwin [06:52] btw, you can just enable gnome compatibility in ccsm as a workaround [06:52] I just mean !gnome [06:52] does any of you know of the name of the WDM that can do stuff like compiz but without 3d acceleration??? [06:52] My firefox startpage is loaded without images and scripts but ONLY when i start firefox, after reload everything is fine, any ideas [06:53] chronic: what does WDM stand for? [06:53] crdlb: window manager, i think [06:53] crdlb, windows desktop manager [06:54] crdlb: oh sweet, thanks [06:55] chronic: I don't know of anything that can do compiz-like features without hardware acceleration [06:55] kwin has an XRender mode (though I don't know how many features work without 3d), but even that needs some acceleration for reasonable performance [06:56] the Xrender mode seems to work fine, and can still use the features [06:57] * DanaG sees WDM as Windows Driver Model. [06:57] =P [06:57] WM is Window Manager. [07:03] DanaG, can you give me a shove in the right direction with this dbus thingy? I want to simply call the run dialog box [07:05] there's an org.gnome.Panel service, but according to d-feet, it has no methods [07:08] i found a little .c file that can be compiled to make a gnome-ran bin but that's like using a bazooka to kill a fly,imho [07:08] well, if you're going to do that, just steal gnome-panel-control from openbox [07:09] AnRkey: yeah, I think that .c file was what it was when I did it, also. [07:09] DanaG, gonna see if i can get it to run without anything extra being needed [07:09] ?? [07:09] gnome-panel-control doesn't have any extra deps [07:15]