[12:44] <swalko> thorwil: hi
[12:45] <thorwil> swalko: hi. i knew it was you before even looking :)
[12:45] <swalko> :-D
[12:46] <swalko> thorwil: i finished small "guide" for working with one canvas workflow
[12:49] <thorwil> swalko: where is it?
[12:49] <swalko> thorwil: it must be reviewed i mean
[12:50] <swalko> thorwil: my native language isnt english
[12:50] <swalko> thorwil: and two heads more know
[12:52] <thorwil> swalko: sure. that was my idea. you write it, i can take care of language issues
[12:52] <swalko> thorwil: may you review that guide an correct bugs/mistakes ?
[12:52] <thorwil> yes
[12:53] <thorwil> swalko: create a wiki page with it, but don't link to it, just post the link here
[12:54] <swalko> thorwil: ok i try to do something :)
[13:17] <swalko> thorwil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilanKrivda
[13:21] <thorwil> swalko: i think that's all correct. however, isn't it easier to work from one of the icons in the repository?
[13:22] <swalko> thorwil: yes it maybe, but after then you have not clean svg (ae gradients)
[13:23] <swalko> thorwil: but we may do svg without gradients with simple objects
[13:23] <swalko> thorwil: if i understand good
[13:23] <thorwil> swalko: i don't understand how it has anything to do with gradients
[13:24] <_MMA_> swalko: Also, this is very specific to what we're doing in Breathe. There are many ways this setup can work. jimmacs is somewhat different from mine for example.
[13:25] <_MMA_> swalko: Unless that is your goal. I thought you were going for a generic guide.
[13:25] <thorwil> _MMA_: are there SVGs in breath that conform to the template, but havn't been edited at all?
[13:25] <_MMA_> thorwil: For Breathe, yeah.
[13:25] <thorwil> _MMA_: his goal is a Breathe specific guide
[13:26] <swalko> _MMA_: you may edit that wiki
[13:26] <_MMA_> thorwil: Wait. "but haven't been edited at all?" What do you mean? Like just blank icons in the set?
[13:26] <thorwil> _MMA_: with this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilanKrivda, you have to look for the proper name and all. is that a process you would encourage?
[13:26] <swalko> _MMA_: i posted it only for review / correction
[13:27] <thorwil> _MMA_: placeholders, basically
[13:27] <_MMA_> thorwil: I though about it but it would mean there would be blank icons generated. That would be bad.
[13:28] <thorwil> _MMA_: so if someone wants to work on an icon that wasn't already a submission, what swalko wrote are the steps to be taken?
[13:29] <_MMA_> thorwil: /Pretty/ much.
[13:31] <thorwil> _MMA_: how about you tell him where to move that wiki page to, to then link it? i can fix the few language issues then
[13:31] <_MMA_> I already did. I moved to front page. You or I can edit.
[13:32] <_MMA_> Under "Workflow".
[13:32] <thorwil> _MMA_: i will, you cab check afterwards for the finer subtleties of your native language ;)
[13:33] <_MMA_> k. The template part is now redundant. So we should take it out of swalkos info.
[13:33] <_MMA_> brb
[13:34] <swalko> _MMA_: i used redundant part from breathe pages
[13:35] <_MMA_> swalko: No. You don't understand. We'll fix it.
[13:37] <swalko> _MMA_: i understand,
[13:38] <swalko> _MMA_: today i uploaded fixed text-x-generic
[13:39] <swalko> _MMA_: now i want traverse oxygen icons mimetypes and choose usable icons for breathe mimetypes
[13:40] <swalko> _MMA_: or is it bad idea?
[13:42] <_MMA_> swalko: I have ideas for that. I'll handle it.
[13:43] <_MMA_> swalko: I'll still look at your fix.
[13:43] <_MMA_> What was broken?
[13:44] <swalko> _MMA_: in 16x16 size frame was blurred
[13:44] <swalko> _MMA_: there wasnt white background
[13:45] <swalko> _MMA_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons/MimeTypes
[13:45] <_MMA_> The background thing was already fixed,
[13:45] <swalko> _MMA_: but on wiki it isnt
[13:45] <_MMA_> Ill look at it.
[13:46] <swalko> _MMA_: after that you may kick out that icon from wiki
[13:46] <_MMA_> swalko: I also want you to remove icons your done with or have better revisions for.
[13:46] <_MMA_> ie: calculator.
[13:47] <swalko> _MMA_: ok
[13:47] <swalko> _MMA_: attachments too?
[13:47] <thorwil> yes
[13:48] <_MMA_> swalko: If you make a better version, always remove older ones.
[13:49] <swalko> _MMA_: sometimes i dont know if is newer version better :)
[13:50] <swalko> _MMA_: if you want use some icons from oxygen in svn are version for smaller sizes too
[13:52] <swalko> wiki updated
[13:52] <_MMA_> swalko: I regularly pull their revisions. At some point, it doesn't matter what they're doing because we're simply taking inspiration from them. We don't *need* to use their stuff. I'd rather new things be drawn from scratch. (new)
[13:53] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet
[13:54] <_MMA_> swalko: Since we already added you text to the Breathe front page, futher edits should be done there after thorwil is done.
[13:54] <thorwil> still have to rephrase point 4, but coffee break now :)
[13:54] <thorwil> bbl
[13:54] <_MMA_> k
[14:02] <swalko> _MMA_: i know, but on wiki is wroted "We start with a base Oxygen set and replace the icons as suitable ones are created. The idea is to create as modern a set as Oxygen but with that distinctly Human feel."
[14:03] <swalko> _MMA_: i talked about that
[14:13] <_MMA_> swalko: Sure. But that doesn't mean you *have* to take from Oxygen. Sebastien has drawn all his from scratch.
[14:14] <_MMA_> swalko: It simply has to fit with what we're doing.
[14:20] <swalko> _MMA_: i am taking something from oxygen?
[14:20] <swalko> _MMA_: mimetypes arent taken?
[14:21] <_MMA_> swalko: I'll be working on the mimetypes.
[14:22] <_MMA_> I have a different idea than simple white paper with an image on it.
[14:23] <swalko> _MMA_: that is good, because i meaned on that too
[14:23] <_MMA_> swalko: They will be changed.
[14:23] <_MMA_> I'll be using the same basic shape but different.
[14:24] <swalko> _MMA_: i like "mimetype" in botoom https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Discussion
[14:24] <swalko> bottom
[14:25] <_MMA_> swalko: How about you work on Emblems or the "shortcut" image?
[14:28] <_MMA_> swalko: Emotes would also be nice.
[14:29] <swalko> _MMA_: i have one favourite emotes and i think their will not be exceeded
[14:29] <thorwil> _MMA_: i'm confused, are there 1 or 2 text objects required?
[14:30] <swalko> thorwil: 2
[14:30] <swalko> thorwil: one labeled context
[14:30] <swalko> thorwil: second labeled icon-name
[14:34] <_MMA_> swalko: Regardless if you think we can't "exceed" your favorite Breathe still needs some. You're welcome to try your hand at creating some.
[14:40] <swalko> _MMA_: i mean i cannot exceed that emoticons
[14:40] <swalko> _MMA_: i may try shortcut emblem
[14:40] <_MMA_> ok
[14:41] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet
[14:42] <thorwil> swalko: you might want to have a look at the wiki code to avoid manual numbering and lots of <<BR>> in future ;)
[14:44] <swalko> thorwil: first time what i posted something on ubuntu wiki :)
[14:44] <_MMA_> thorwil: We should add a note about vacuuming defs there also. I've cut file sizes down by over half before. It doesn't matter for the set as it's built into the script but it matters for the source.
[14:44] <thorwil> _MMA_: ok, but my hands are off the wiki for a bit now :)
[14:45] <_MMA_> np
[14:45] <thorwil> step 6 is by far the hardest thing to get
[14:45] <thorwil> swalko: thanks for your writeup, btw :)
[14:46] <swalko> thorwil: nfw. good work
[14:46] <swalko> thorwil: yes it is complicated to write
[14:46] <swalko> thorwil: i mean pictures may help
[14:47] <thorwil> swalko: be careful with "nfw", it commonly stands for a no fucking way. or a bunch of other things you surely don't mean http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/NFW
[14:48] <_MMA_> thorwil: I might keep my "start-here" button and use the new one as "distributor-logo" since it supersedes "start-here".
[14:48] <swalko> thorwil: :)
[14:49] <thorwil> _MMA_: i'd prefer either submission to your start-here icon, as it looks damn aggressive
[14:49]  * thorwil uses a recent checkout on his desktop
[14:53] <_MMA_> thorwil: "Aggressive"? I don't see it at all. :) But your preference is noted.
[15:23] <swalko> thorwil: what you mean? http://picasaweb.google.com/milan.krivda/Breathe#5309353469841218146
[15:24] <thorwil> swalko: yes
[15:24] <swalko> thorwil: perspective may be tweaked to better fit
[16:11] <_MMA_> swalko: You could also look at doing some of the hardware icons. Like printers, scanners and such. And note that I didn't say you *can't* use the ones from Oxygen. It would just be nice to draw new ones. But starting with theirs and adding or tweaking is fine.
[16:12] <_MMA_> swalko: Note that with some of the HW like printers that emblems are also used. Those, I prefer we do ourselves from scratch.
[16:13] <swalko> _MMA_l: some icons for hw may fit after tweaking from oxygen, but most hw icons must be drawed ... i mean
[16:15] <swalko> _MMA_l: because (for me personally) oxygen hw icons are drawed in different styles from one to one
[16:15] <swalko> _MMA_: some icons for hw may fit after tweaking from oxygen, but most hw icons must be drawed ... i mean
[16:16] <swalko> _MMA_: because (for me personally) oxygen hw icons are drawed in different styles from one to one
[16:16] <swalko> i used bad nick
[16:16] <_MMA_> swalko: That's why you take what feels right and tweak or redraw. I know the deal. ;) Do what you like.
[16:17] <_MMA_> swalko: You just said the same thing I said 3 different ways and I repeated myself. :) I'm just giving you suggestions here.
[16:17] <swalko> _MMA_: :)
[16:19] <_MMA_> swalko: Let's treat each other like we both know what's going on. There are some things that just don't need to be said. We all understand what needs to be done to create a set generally.
[16:21] <swalko> _MMA_: ok ;-)
[16:57] <_MMA_> dashua: I'd like to use the light menu version of Dark Suit for the alt desktop project.
[17:25] <dashua> _MMA_: Ok, cool.  I'll make the changes, unless you wanted to hack it.
[17:26] <_MMA_> dashua: You dropped the light menus?
[17:26] <dashua> This is a different theme.
[17:26] <dashua> Miu is the other although a bit different.
[17:26] <_MMA_> Ahh.... Yeah. Duh. I remember now. :P
[17:27] <_MMA_> Scratch what I said. Man I can't pull it together today.
[17:27] <dashua> Ah ,np.
[17:28] <_MMA_> dashua: But, I'd still like to use you for a custom variant or one of your themes for alt-desktop still.
[17:28] <dashua> Alright, sounds good.
[17:28] <dashua> I just figured I make something like that Balthazar theme as people really seemed to like it.
[17:29] <dashua> But it needed a lot of work IMO.
[17:29] <dashua> was*
[17:29] <_MMA_> dashua: We need a GDM to go with your theme and alt-desktop. :)
[17:30] <dashua> I need to figure out how to make one ;]
[17:31] <_MMA_> dashua: Don't worry for now. I'm looking to gave more activity on alt-desktop in a few weeks. I need so shape up more of the base 1st.
[17:31] <_MMA_> s/gave/get
[17:31] <dashua> Ok, cool.
[17:31] <dashua> Out for lunch.  Bbl. :]
[19:50] <swalko> _MMA_: i have one question
[19:53] <thorwil> my advice: just ask the question, don't ask to ask
[20:18] <swalko> thorwil: i want to talk about tray icons
[21:10] <swalko> thorwil: updated help-about and applications-science
[21:10] <swalko> thorwil: what you mean?
[21:13] <thorwil> swalko: you need to make the dot of the i a bit wider for it to look as wide as the stroke
[21:13] <swalko> thorwil: np
[21:13] <thorwil> swalko: i like the green fluid. looks like liquid science :)
[21:13] <thorwil> gotta go, good night! :)
[21:13] <swalko> thorwil: bye
[21:13] <_MMA_> night
[22:42] <knome> we're doing a gdm theme for xubuntu. any input is welcome: http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-gdm-mockup-3.png
[22:43] <knome> i'm not very good at doing realistic things, so if somebody would have some advice to get it looking more realistic easily, that would be very welcome.