[00:01] <Ampelbein> bcurtiswx: apt-cache policy or rmadison
[00:01] <MightyTweek> bcurtiswx: I think it's apt-cache showpkg followed by the name of the package
[00:02] <bcurtiswx> ty both of you
[00:05] <bdmurray> rmadison shows you every release while apt-cache only shows you your release
[00:05] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: thanks
[00:26] <bcurtiswx> what package would be used for mounting USB Compact Flash Drives? gnome-mount?
[00:27] <bcurtiswx> usbmount?
[00:30] <bcurtiswx> yeah, looks like usbmount... nevermind :D
[00:31] <MightyTweek> bcurtiswx: I think it might actually be gnome-volume-manager
[00:32] <bcurtiswx> MightyTweek: reading http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/gnome-volume-manager and http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/usbmount I still believe its usbmount
[00:33] <bcurtiswx> hmm.. well.. that last paragraph in usbmount does confuse me
[00:33] <MightyTweek> bcurtiswx: Could be, I'm no expert :)
[00:34] <bcurtiswx> MightyTweek: neither am I, all help/discussion appreciated
[00:35] <bcurtiswx> hmm, usbmount mentioned pmount.. and pmount mentions hal
[00:35] <bcurtiswx> usbmount mentions hal too
[00:39] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: what is the exact problem?
[00:39] <bcurtiswx> bug #332610
[00:40] <bcurtiswx> i was going to mark the package as hal
[00:40] <bcurtiswx> and mark as triaged and medium
[00:42] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: I'd also look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices
[00:43] <andresmujica> hmm i would say it has something with the kernel..
[00:43] <bdmurray> but yes, hal sounds best
[00:43] <andresmujica> the device is not being seen, apparently
[00:43] <andresmujica> dmesg shows it.
[00:44] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: i was going by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUSBStorage
[00:46] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: the one you linked to mentions USB Storage Devices.  Should the link i just put up be removed from the debugging page?
[00:47] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: yeah, that'd be great
[00:47] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: consider it done
[03:26] <andresmujica> asac? aut?
[04:13] <mrooney1> Does anyone have any thoughts on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems ?
[04:14] <mrooney1> It seems like the apport-collect is too low and subtle to be useful, people are going to follow the instructions in order, and end up doing all sorts of unnecessary things.
[04:14] <mrooney1> I just saw it happen in bug 336512 in fact!
[04:15] <mrooney1> bdmurray: do you think the Jaunty section should go above the USB and Parallel sections?
[04:35] <sbeattie> mrooney1: heh, yeah; I even explicitly asked for apport-collect output in that bug. I agree that it might be useful to have that above the USB and parallel sections.
[04:41] <mrooney1> sbeattie: haha I saw the response and was confused, then I read the wiki
[04:41] <mrooney1> and if you JUST read the wiki and for some reason ignored your request, the reporter did the logical thing
[05:39] <BigAl50> Can someone mark Bug #249553 as checked for Hugday 20090305? It won't let me edit, different ID than here
[05:51] <BigAl50> Bug 249553 never mind I figured it out.
[05:52] <mrooney1> :)
[07:17] <sbeattie> mrooney1: I do want to keep referring to the wiki, so that (a) the reporter can see that I'm not suggesting they run some random command that breaks their system and (b) so that they get the idea that useful information for figuring out problems is in the wiki.
[07:17] <sbeattie> mrooney1: I reordered the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems page, feedback welcome.
[09:29] <YoBoY> hi
[09:34] <BUGabundo> guud morning guys
[12:37] <dwg> gah
[12:37] <dwg> how do I change which releases are included in my ppa
[13:30] <elmargol> Someone knows if there are "mainline" xorg packages for ubuntu? Similar to the kernel?
[14:09] <salty-horse> seb128, here?
[14:09] <seb128> salty-horse: depends of what you want ;-)
[14:10] <salty-horse> :) I have a small problem with mounting my usb drive in jaunty. it seems to work sometimes after installing and removing rhythmbox, but I can't find the uninstall script (if there is such a thing) to see what services it refreshes
[14:12] <salty-horse> seb128, here's the /var/log/messages output of how it behaves: http://pastebin.com/m502f13eb
[14:47] <bddebian> Boo
[16:56] <pedro_> QA Team Meeting at #ubuntu-meeting in ~4 minutes, feel free to join!
[16:58] <MTecknology> wrong chan, sorry
[17:35] <savvas> hey, has anyone noticed a bug for gedit disabled Find button when you press Ctrl+F in jaunty?
[17:35] <seb128> savvas: noticed, sent in launchpad, forwarded upstream, reassigned to gtk
[17:36] <seb128> gnome bug #574059
[17:39] <savvas> thanks seb128 :)
[17:39] <seb128> you're welcome
[19:09] <bdmurray> sbeattie: earlier I was talking about debconf stuff right?
[19:09] <bdmurray> ufw has an example of what I was thinking about
[19:09] <bdmurray> Type: boolean
[19:09] <bdmurray> "Should ufw be enabled?"
[19:10] <bdmurray> Should makes it sounds like yes or no to me
[19:10] <bdmurray> whereas "Enable ufw" sounds like a checkbox to me
[19:11] <davmor2> bdmurray: Ah I now understand what you're on about yes I have seen those :)
[19:12] <sbeattie> bdmurray: hrm, dpkg-reconfigure ufw gives me that as a yes-no (on jaunty updated a coupel of hours ago)
[19:12] <sbeattie> how are you seeing it as a checkbox?
[19:13] <davmor2> bdmurray: Am I right in thinking that you are saying it could be a checkbox rather than it is a checkbox
[19:14] <bdmurray> I'm saying it is a checkbox and the question doesn't fit well, in my opinion, with a checkbox.
[19:15] <davmor2> bdmurray: And this is in update manager rather than apt-get/dpkg correct?
[19:15] <davmor2> so cli is saying yes-no but gui is a checkbox
[19:15] <bdmurray> sbeattie: I found an older screenshot http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/tmp/Screenshot-Debconf%20on%20flash.png
[19:16] <davmor2> yes I agree with you the wording sucks :)
[19:17] <davmor2> bdmurray: I think the issue here is the wording is taken from the cli which would be correct as you can answer yes or no
[19:18] <jdstrand> sucks... that is harsh
[19:18] <jdstrand> I'd be happy to change it :)
[19:19] <sbeattie> right, but here's how it looks in dpkg-reconfigure, where it makes sense: http://www.nxnw.org/~steve/tmp/ufw-dpkg-reconfigure.png
[19:19] <davmor2> jdstrand: It sucks for checkboxes not as a description :)
[19:19] <jdstrand> right-- that is what I was looking at when setting up debconf
[19:19] <jdstrand> davmor2: :)
[19:20] <davmor2> could the gui not take the options for the cli and buttonify them?
[19:20] <bdmurray> I think more people see it in debconf than dpkg-reconfigure
[19:21] <bdmurray> and in this case if the wording were changed to "Enable ufw" it'd work either way
[19:21] <jdstrand> wait-- what? you mean the debconf gui front end as opposed to one of the cli ones-- right?
[19:22] <jdstrand> (they all use debconf)
[19:22] <bdmurray> I mean more people see it in the gui w/ a checkbox yes
[19:22] <jdstrand> right. sure I can change it
[19:22] <bdmurray> I don't mean to pick on ufw it was the first example to come up
[19:23] <sbeattie> bdmurray: how do you get that screen?
[19:23] <bdmurray> sbeattie: run update-manager?
[19:23] <jdstrand> bdmurray: no worries. I agree it should be changed :)
[19:24] <bdmurray> sbeattie: I don't remember how I specifically saw that one
[19:24] <davmor2> jdstrand: The only issue I see is how many packages text would you need to change?  Would it not be possible in the ufw example to have the gui display the same yes no options as the cli
[19:25] <jdstrand> davmor2: it is super-easy with ufw. As for how many others besides ufw, I have no idea
[19:25] <jdstrand> bdmurray: would you mind filing a bug and attach the screenshots?
[19:26] <bdmurray> jdstrand: can I write a patch too?
[19:26] <jdstrand> bdmurray: you can, but I'll likely ignore it since I've already done it :)
[19:26] <bdmurray> damn
[19:31] <bdmurray> bug 337890
[19:31] <jdstrand> bdmurray: thanks
[19:34] <sbeattie> bdmurray: hrm, grep -A2 boolean /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.templates gives me a number of things phrased as questions which would work okay if the question mark was stripped off.
[19:35] <bdmurray> sbeattie: hunh, that's an easy enough fix
[19:39] <sbeattie> there's some that don't of course, (*cough* checkbox *cough*)
[19:56] <davmor2> meh I just found a bug but I'm not sure what to report it against.  If you use the youtube plugin in totem and get the codec update so it works you then can't install ubuntu-restricted-extras from add/remove? So what is at fault is it totem for installing the wrong thing, add/remove for poor package management or the codec that is causing the issue?
[20:19] <mrooney> davmor2: that's a good question, what is the specific failure you get from a terminal when trying to install u-r-e?
[20:21] <davmor2> mrooney: libavcodec52 and libavutil49 conflict with u-r-e which use libavcodec-unstripped-52 and libavutil-unstripped-49
[20:21] <mrooney> interesting, I wonder what "unstripped" means
[20:23] <davmor2> mrooney: It has all of the binary blob in rather than some of it :)
[20:24] <mrooney> davmor2: so maybe -unstripped should not conflict but replace, or something?
[20:34] <mrooney> davmor2: yeah it looks like -unstripped should "provide" or "replace" the lesser one
[20:34] <mrooney> then it might work?
[20:35] <davmor2> Yeap
[20:40] <davmor2> is anyone else having issues with lp trying to add a new bug?
[21:49] <bencrisford> hi all
[21:52] <sinelaw> hi, hibernate refuses to proceed because "vlc has stopped the hibernate from taking place: Playing some media."
[21:52] <sinelaw> but vlc isn't running!
[21:52] <sinelaw> how can i debug this?
[21:54] <sinelaw> how does this thing technically work (stopping the hibernate from taking place)?
[22:24] <MightyTweek> sinelaw: Are you *sure* VLC isn't running? What is the output of "ps aux | grep vlc"?
[23:22] <crashsystems> I'm somewhat new to the whole debugging thing. How does one run a "backtrace"? Is that the same as running strace?
[23:22] <maco> gdb
[23:22] <maco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[23:40] <mrooney> What are we doing for bugs from the python 2.6 upgrade?
[23:41] <mrooney> such as packages which don't work on python > 2.5
[23:42] <crashsystems> Another n00b question here. I just ran "gdb totem 2>&1 | tee gdb-totem.txt", but totem did not start. Anyone see what I did wrong?
[23:43] <james_w> mrooney: tag them python2.6 to start with, and there is a python team that could be subscribed, I forget the name
[23:44] <james_w> crashsystems: did you type "run"?
[23:44] <crashsystems> lol, is that it? I'll try it again, with "run" this time
[23:44] <mrooney> james_w: okay, is the tag enough to do anything useful, are people searching on that?
[23:45] <james_w> crashsystems: that's why it's better to use the log suggested in the wiki page maco pointed you to, you can see what it is expecting from you
[23:45] <james_w> mrooney: no idea, once that is done I would wave it around in #ubuntu-motu
[23:45] <bdmurray> heh wave it around
[23:46] <mrooney> crashsystems: you don't add it anywhere, james means that after you type that command, it is at a prompt waiting for you to type "run" followed by enter
[23:46] <james_w> hey bdmurray
[23:46] <crashsystems> yeah, I finally figured that out :D
[23:46] <bdmurray> hi james_w