[00:00] I would appreciate it if someone with Qt skillz would look at scribus-ng and make it build (with libboost-python1.35-dev although I'm pretty sure that's not the problem). [00:02] http://pastebin.com/m5a01980d [00:02] rgreening: ^^^ [00:02] Can you look at that? [00:18] ScottK: sure. I'll see what I can do [00:21] rgreening: Thanks. [00:26] np === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [00:30] o/ rickspencer3 [00:30] * rickspencer3 wave [00:30] the build system is being sooooo slow. KDE still building. [00:31] with UIF tomorrow, I bet a lot of stuff in the queue [00:31] i386 has almost 400 packages [00:31] o/ rickspencer3 [00:31] this is hurting us :( [00:32] oh well... [00:32] Yeah I've seen three people jump in the chan to install KDE 4.2 [00:32] rgreening: This isn't on backports right? It's experimental? [00:32] They are probably going to end up with some zombie parts of 4.2.0 and 4.2.1 [00:33] Jaunty = main, Intrepid = ~kubuntu-experimental [00:33] How goes rickspencer3? [00:33] Yeah [00:33] things are good [00:33] good news is , kde 4.2.0 + 4.2.1 shouldn't mean breakage [00:33] So for luckily no one is jumping to Jaunty just to try out KDE 4.2 [00:33] bugfixes, so incremental... [00:33] Though we have been asked that a lot >_> [00:34] rickspencer3: Good [00:34] had lunch with some old friends today, and had a lap to myself at the pool, so basically, a good afternoon :) [00:34] still using Kubuntu (day 3 now) [00:35] rgreening: tamasrepus: Patiently waiting for the latest ! KDE 4.2.1 packages to filter into ! Ubuntu # Jaunty [00:35] :-D [00:36] rickspencer3: Questions? Thoughts ? [00:36] not really [00:36] it didn't take me long to learn [00:36] \o/ [00:37] I guess I would need to learn pyqt to really consider myself a user of the platform though [00:37] 4.1 or 4.2 btw ? [00:37] I installed alpha 5, so I think that was 4.1? [00:38] rickspencer3: I think 4.2 [00:38] Ah right Jaunty No jaunty is pure 4.2 [00:38] cool [00:38] then 4.2 [00:38] Just like Koala will be pure 4.3 [00:38] rickspencer3: pyqt is real easy to program in [00:39] and there are some great books [00:39] I can chuck pygtk around pretty good, but I don't consider myself to really know a platform until I can create a basic native app in it [00:40] I guess for most users, that's not really an issue [00:40] * DaSkreech ponders what a basic app entails [00:40] rickspencer3: qt-creator or kdevelop or qt-designer are all our friends in KDE land. [00:40] Pretty sure we can pull up some stuff that's a hole in KDE land [00:40] and make it sooooo easy [00:41] hehe [00:41] rickspencer3: You could be publishing stuff to KDE SVN ;-) [00:41] I have enoguh to do! [00:41] * ScottK has never actually written anything that has a U/I. [00:41] svn, not bzr?!? [00:41] hehe [00:41] * rickspencer3 ducks [00:41] Well a service manager I think woudl be simple enough [00:41] rickspencer3: bzr is basically unheard of outside LP/Ubuntu. [00:41] Quakks [00:41] ScottK: ever write anything which acked for input? [00:41] asked even [00:41] rgreening: Nope. It's all serverish stuff. [00:41] thats a UI, just not a G-UI [00:41] :) [00:42] Actually I take that back. [00:42] he [00:42] heh [00:42] rickspencer3: Ha ha Don't worry distributed revision is in the crosshairs [00:42] I did write a web thingy once that dit. [00:42] dit/did [00:42] rickspencer3: Too high a target to aim at? [00:43] DaSkreech: I just don't see myself having the time to write and then maintain an app right now [00:43] rickspencer3: Well work with the Kubuntu team :) [00:43] not to mention learning all the KDE tools [00:43] maybe, let me think about it [00:43] They work with upstream so it would be a flow from here to upstream [00:43] I have a programming project right now that is taking up a lot of my free time (though it is very work related) [00:44] as long as it's not upstart specific (no issues having support) it would start being picked up by all distros [00:44] Having upstart support would actuallly be sweet [00:44] people are still kinda confused as to how upstart makes a difference [00:44] * ScottK is currently downloading the vegastrike svn logs hoping to find that magic commit message that say "Make it work with boost1.35" [00:45] rickspencer3: Free time? Never heard of it! [00:45] lol [00:45] is 4.2.1 build for jaunty yet? [00:45] Building [00:45] shtylman: Kindaish [00:45] heh, nice [00:45] depends on which package you are talking about :) [00:46] rgreening: I forget wat's in kubuntu-memebers-kde4 ? [00:48] not been used recently... dunn [00:48] dunno [00:50] bah I'll disable [00:50] Think it was KDE 4.1 when that came out [00:51] seele: ha implicit save [00:58] one day, all our PPAs will collapse on themselves and crush the world, and we still won't know what they were for. [00:58] * smarter shouldn't write stuff at 2AM [01:03] I see lots of KDE change mails in my change mail folder [01:03] busy day here, huh? [01:07] we're hardly ever idle here. I wish I had 10 hands to do all the work I need to. [01:07] or would like to. [01:08] OMG over 300 email since 2 hours ago. [01:08] wth [01:09] translation templates.. 300 emails about that [01:09] omg. that's insane [01:09] rgreening: If you are responding to rickspencer3 he left [01:09] cat /dev/null > mail [01:10] DaSkreech: nah, just chatting out loud [01:20] DaSkreech: huh? [01:20] scott_ev: ping [01:21] sry, meant ScottK [01:21] seele: I clicked on a repo in adept's software-properties-kde and it crashed When I opened it the repo I had clicked off was off [01:21] implicit save :) [01:21] Which I guess was inherited from the gnome tool [01:22] It was a little strange [01:22] yeah, by design or by accident, heh [01:22] I guess if it was pervasive I'd be used to it [01:23] Just not sure how much I like clicking something accidently or something and having it applied instantly [01:23] Thinking about it more it does work well for Gnome since they have very very stripped options [01:23] Even the compiz effects in ubuntu are off on on&&pretty --very [01:24] Where as there are quite a few fiddly bits in the default KDE compositing layout [01:25] so KDE naturally falls into a way of showing you what your choice looks like before you apply it since it may have consequences that you (and KDE) don't anticipate [01:26] whereas I would guess Gnome's main way of thinking is we know exactly what happens when you click this [01:27] Bah Now I'm thinking about usabilty psychology [01:28] seele: drat you and your efficient promo regime! [01:28] * seele is confused [01:30] rgreening: There's a bug about the translation notifications you can whine in. [01:30] rgreening: Pong [01:31] seele: :-) [01:31] * DaSkreech hugs seele and wanders off for some hot malt [01:31] ScottK: I set a filter > /dev/null :) taken care of [01:31] ScottK: debian has a newer scribus-ng 20090209 [01:31] It's more fun to beat on the LP devs in the meantime. [01:32] Im going to test that one [01:32] rgreening: yes [01:32] rgreening: Excellent. [01:32] np [01:32] rgreening: sorry, was afk [01:33] scott_ev: I keep pinging you, cause my tab completion autocompletes to your name rather than scottk :) sry [01:33] all good [01:33] I do that sometimes too [01:34] well, I'm here is you decide I can help in some way [01:34] 1/10 times I fail to catch the tab complete error :) [01:34] hehe [01:35] ScottK: Quassel needs more intelligent completion. [01:35] rgreening: Already in Git for 0.5. [01:35] funny [01:35] cool [01:36] That and the multi-line paste protection are the two things I still miss from Konversation. [01:37] I love kdesvn. [01:37] This commit message from the vegastrike svn "compat with the new boost python 1.35" [01:37] I can haz patch. [01:39] rgreening: What client? [01:39] Oh Quassel :) [01:39] konsole click'n'highlight seems to have changed. It now delineates words on '-', so I used to be able to doubleclick a file name and now it only selects a portion or the whole line if I triple click. ANNOYING. [01:40] ScottK: ^ any idea if that's configuarble somewhere? [01:40] Yeah I like konversation's listing of people sorted by the last time they spoke in the chan [01:40] Makes tab completion very very easy [01:40] As long as you aren't in #kde [01:41] rgreening: It is, but I can't remember where. [01:41] * vorian huggles his irssi [01:41] well, the default changed somewhere along the way, and its really ticking me off. [01:41] ScottK: would it be a bash thing or Konsole thing? [01:42] I'll go with Konsole. [01:43] ScottK: found it... [01:43] konsole... [01:43] Maybe something we need to set in k-d-s? [01:44] prob [01:45] ah, thats much better... [01:45] stupid changing settings... [01:46] ScottK: new scribus builds with boost 1.34... [01:46] so next to change it to 1.35 [01:46] Perfect [01:48] rgreening: Since the entire point of scribus-ng is to have the latest crack, I think by definition it's OK to update. [01:48] hehe [02:15] * ScottK just had another FTBFS due to no arts .... [02:18] The list of packages that build-dep on kdelibs, but not cdbs probably need checked. [02:18] a|wen: ^^^ [02:29] for some reason i don't have sound in firefox / flash videoes recently [02:29] :\ [02:32] Are we planninga human changelog for Kubuntu Jackalope ? [02:33] flash totally sucks for me.. hangs up ... stops playing .. .no sound T_T [02:36] DaSkreech: I think we just do release notes. [02:36] If you think we ought to have something more extensive, I'd say go for it. [02:36] ScottK: Should we look into doing a human changelog? [02:36] I'll try start something [02:37] * ScottK doesn't even know what that means exactly. [02:37] ScottK: scribus-ng built successfully [02:38] rgreening: Excellent. Make a merge bug and shove a debdiff into it an I'll sponsor it. [02:38] ok [02:38] ScottK: http://www.fsckin.com/2008/03/28/ubuntu-hardy-heron-804-release-notes-rewritten-in-plain-english/ [02:40] DaSkreech: I think that'd be great. I know I'm totally unqualified to write it. [02:40] DaSkreech: change log from hardy to jaunty? [02:42] DreadKnight: Not sure that's needed [02:43] changelog from hardy to loping leopard should be interesting [02:43] yeah [02:44] it will probably be lion, because mapple used leopard.. [02:44] lemming [02:45] most likely going to go with something like ladybird or lamb [02:46] how about leaping lizard [02:46] Yeah that goes in the Hungry Hippo bin [02:47] as long as it's not lamprey or leech or lightningbug we should be ok I think :) [02:48] Unless he ups the take on mac line to the next level and names it Liger [02:48] ok im really confused [02:49] etank: hi I'm really Roger [02:49] nice to meet you DaSkreech ;) [02:49] :-) [02:55] DreadKnight: but I think the KDE 4.2 official Kubuntu release should have a human changelog to it [03:02] 141 emails.... [03:03] JontheEchidna: rgreening wins :) [03:03] scottk: bug 338073 [03:03] Launchpad bug 338073 in scribus-ng "Please merge scribus-ng 1.3.5.dfsg~svn20090208-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338073 [03:03] I got like 50 emails earlier. I guess he still wins though :P [03:03] I had over 300 JontheEchidna [03:03] rgreening: Looking. [03:03] I have 200 - 225ish (I deleted a bunch already) [03:03] Please go whine in the bug. [03:06] rgreening: What I need in the bug is a debdiff from the Debian version. [03:06] It is [03:06] Which I see now you put there [03:06] lol [03:06] nevermind [03:09] Whoa, I picked up 1000 karma points for translations [03:09] yay [03:09] Actually, that a bug :P [03:09] did y ou trade them in for something good? [03:09] haha [03:10] My poor laptop. [03:10] The number is still dwarfed by my 56006 bug management karma poitns :D [03:10] JontheEchidna do you get sicfk of marking the nepomuk bug as duplicate? [03:10] * ScottK has 3 pbuilds going and one debuild -S -sa [03:10] jjesse_: I have the bug number memorized [03:10] bug 317271 [03:10] Launchpad bug 317271 in redland "nepomukservicestub causes crash in Soprano::Redland backend" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317271 [03:11] which is somewhat sad on many levels [03:12] it's not sad until you memorise the launchpadlibrarian urls to dget older dscs that don't exhibit said bugs, or until you memorise git changesets down to the particular bisect preventing a bug [03:12] I concur. That is sad. :P [03:13] I have git bisected wine before for regression testing. That's a pain. [03:13] i have no idea what you have all just said [03:13] heh [03:13] git allows you to apply/unapply changes, then rebuild [03:14] it narrows down commits until you find the buggy commit [03:14] I've had my share of git bisects in mesa [03:14] not pretty [03:19] I think Kubuntu 9.04 is turning out pretty good. :) [03:20] It's not bad at all. [03:21] I still wish we have more people/time to polish things. [03:22] i just need to get my ass together and work on documentation and all of that stuff [03:22] Has anybody tried translations since the langpacks were updated to 9.04? [03:22] If all the importation success emails mean anything, then they should be pretty good [03:23] or at least better than what we released with intrepid ;-) [03:23] I think the main gripes with 8.10 were: crappy translations, poor search capabilities in Adept (otherwise it was great imo), and knetworkmanager sucking [03:24] I remember people moaning in multiple of my blog posts that we should adopt KPackageKit [03:24] they'd better be happy :P [03:24] no, they still will moan at something we missed :) [03:25] ScottK: hows the scribus-ng looking [03:25] Oh, they also moaned that 8.10 was "unstable" but I never found anybody who could give me anything more general than that, and certainly not anything to make me think it was crashes caused by errors on our end [03:26] rgreening: pbuildering away on my poor overloaded laptop. [03:26] I still get some random plasma freezes up [03:26] ScottK: cool. diff looked ok [03:26] Yep [03:26] xcellent [03:28] People will always find something to moan about. They will then proceed to find people moaning about other things (may or may not be related) and come to the conclusions that in some broad manner, $DISTRO sucks [03:29] I'd like to institute a rule: if you make a complaint, you must help fix the issue. [03:29] jjesse_: Do you think that a human changelog is a good idea? [03:29] rgreening: that would either stop complaints or get the issues fixed faster for sure [03:29] :) [03:29] JontheEchidna: People ask why we are adopting kpackagekit [03:30] DaSkreech: lol [03:30] Granted the overwhelming number just want something that's not adept [03:30] cause adept sucks, is not goingt o be maintained, etc. [03:30] It's un-maintainance was sorta caused by the move to kpk though.... [03:30] theres always aptitude :) [03:30] Yes I know [03:30] and aside from search sucking I think Adept was great [03:31] I loved adept :( [03:31] no, it was bad [03:31] I wants debtags [03:31] wait ... you mean there is a gui for installing packages in ubuntu??? :) [03:31] It is nice and fast and stable, unlike adept 2.0 [03:31] aptitude ftw [03:32] anyone watch "Life on Mars"? [03:33] Oh, also my "crash-on-boot-with-any-kernel-newer-than-the-last-one-from-hardy" bug got fixed today, so I'm stoked [03:33] I should just make a disjointed, rambling attempt at a blog today, heh. [03:35] ScottK: which one did FTBFS this time due to no arts? [03:36] a|wen: regina-normal. I fixed the configure and it still FTBFS due to a test failure [03:36] I suspect it's the new python [03:37] okay ... you build it locally? [03:37] Yes and it died. [03:38] The very helpful error message was Running trigeneral.test ... TEST FAILED [03:39] oh, yeah that is not very specific [03:40] a|wen: Here's my debdiff if you want to fiddle with it (I won't have more time for it tonight) http://pastebin.com/f1a9c0eba [03:42] okay, i might take a look at it a little later [03:45] Once 9.04 is out the door I think I will make a python plasmoid to fill the time until the archive reopens [04:58] JontheEchidna: There will be plenty of SRU to do in the meantime. [06:16] Argh [06:16] 4.2.1 is crashy [06:17] DaSkreech: -dbg packages installed? [06:17] for kde-network [06:17] Should I remove them? [06:17] no, -dbg packages are good, can you provide traces? [06:18] I guess let me see [06:18] Konqueror is part of base right? not network? [06:19] yes [06:19] ok I'll have to install that -dbg [06:19] It's easy to replicate for me though [06:19] open konqueror window [06:19] crash [06:20] :-P [06:21] hmm fair amount of kdebase-*-dbg packages which one is konqueror in ? [06:22] kdebase-dbg ? [06:24] dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `acl' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. [06:24] I get that quite often now [06:31] konqueror(28257) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: searchproviders/.desktop not found" [06:31] KCrash: Application 'konqueror' crashing... [06:31] sock_file=/home/skreech/.kde/socket-Released/kdeinit4__0 [06:31] Without gdb [06:32] seems to betied to KHTML [06:38] Tm_T: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com:80/126583/ with gdb [07:28] yay, just got KDE 4.2.1 updates :) [07:28] kubuntu ftw [07:28] brrrrh [07:37] hi guys [07:58] just FYI, still got that error on install with kde-icons-oxygen package (running a 64-bit) [07:58] have to override it manually, same issue since 4.1 times [07:59] * Mamarok wonders if nobody else reported this problem... [07:59] thanks for 4.2.1 update [07:59] works great :) [08:10] Mamarok: what's the error message exactly ? [08:10] Mamarok: file conflict between 2 packages ? [08:11] Tonio_: yes, allways the same, can't install because it tries to write into an existing directory [08:11] but --force-overwrite does the trick [08:11] Mamarok: which directory/file ? [08:12] Mamarok: I can fix, but you should have a conflicting package which isn't installed for me... [08:12] I need either the file/dirctory or the package name conflicting with it [08:12] seems to be koffice-data-kde4 [08:12] Mamarok: and which other one ? [08:12] krita-data ? [08:13] Tonio_: see above, kde-icons-oxygen [08:13] hum oki [08:13] Mamarok: running jaunty ? [08:13] nope, Intrepid [08:13] I guess no since I fixed that one for jaunty :) [08:13] Mamarok: okay, that explains... [08:13] Mamarok: well it's fixed in jaunty [08:13] ok, will see then [08:14] * Mamarok ponders upgrading to Jaunty since quite some time [08:14] no more X problems? [08:14] Mamarok: kde4.2 maintainance in intrepid isn't as good as in jaunty since backporting fixes takes a lot of time, so we don't do for minor fixes, unfortunatelly [08:14] Mamarok: depends on your driver, but seems to work nicelly here [08:15] hm, I still can build Intrepid packages in Jaunty with chroot, can I? === DreadKnight is now known as DeadNight [09:35] anybody knows why kdeplasma-addons-data is 4.2.1, while kdeplasma-addons is only 4.2.0 [09:35] * Lure needs his notes widget back ;-) [09:41] that was a short visit by the sabdfl... :D [10:40] any reason there is no news about 4.2.1 on kubuntu.org? [10:42] Nightrose: ninjas felt asleep uploading it? (: [10:42] smarter: haha [10:42] smarter: is it save to install on intrepid? [10:42] i can deal with file conflicts [10:42] not sure [10:42] but would rather not have a b0rked system [10:43] I've upgrade my EEE last night and it worked quiet well today :) [10:43] but all was not up at that time [10:43] hehe [10:43] JontheEchidna: ^ [10:58] Nightrose: i upgraded without a single file conflict ... and works quite well [10:59] thanks a|wen :) [10:59] is kde4.2.1 officially released from the kde team? [11:00] yes [11:04] oh, then we need to get some news on kubuntu.org [11:05] * a|wen just lost all keyboard input in his session ... logging out and in solved it [11:05] a|wen: that happens since I upgraded to jaunty [11:05] does hope that doesn't happen again [11:05] usually after a few minutes it works again [11:05] smarter: i'm on intrepid [11:05] the joy of Xorg :p [11:05] yeah, probably xorg is to blame [11:06] next time i'll try to wait 5 mins [11:07] sometimes the alt key get "stuck" too [11:07] happenes here sometimes as well [11:09] i'm only victim to the alt-key problem when logged in via remote desktop to a windows pc [11:16] a|wen: no you're not [11:18] let's hope it gets fixed ... sounds like the problem is greatest in jaunty [11:18] Tonio_: Whatever you fixed in Jaunty that's not fixed in Intrepid, please upload a fix for Intrepid too. [11:19] ScottK: I know it won't be fixed.... [11:19] ScottK: but I have no time for this [11:19] ScottK: and the process is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO long that I don't want to waste my time on this [11:19] anyone know when Qt 4.5 final is estimated to hit a repo? [11:19] ScottK: I know that's a bit rude.... [11:19] Tonio_: I think it's rather unfair to the people who are maintaining the Intrepid stuff that you just complain it's not well maintained and then refuse to help. [11:19] I'm eager to test it with amarok 2, as we have some bug reports against it [11:20] markey: Yesterday. [11:20] ScottK: but as you know it I consider we shouldn't provide kde backports for the current stable release [11:20] really? oh [11:20] ScottK: can you tell me the repo, please? [11:20] ScottK: that's my free time, I do whatever I want [11:20] ScottK: let canonical engage me and I'll do it :) [11:20] ScottK: IMHO backporting kde4.2 to intrepid is a waste of time [11:21] ScottK: since it dupes the effort and so on... [11:21] Tonio_: It's already done. Can you at least give me the specifics? [11:21] Tonio_: you'd make me very unhappy with that ;-) [11:21] fwiw, 4.2.1 works great here on 8.10 [11:21] like very [11:21] very happy with the update [11:21] <- would sob all day [11:21] ScottK: so, what's the repo for Qt 4.5, please? [11:22] ScottK: yup lemme check the source package for changes... [11:22] markey: it is in jaunty/main [11:22] ScottK: don't get me wrong, but I consider whatever I do, that's never "unfair" as long as it's on my free time :) [11:22] well I am on 8.10, is there a backport available? [11:22] markey: no ;) [11:22] is it planned, then? [11:23] at least in some PPA [11:23] afaik it's not [11:23]