[00:00] <admin_masu3701> i want to updgrade from 8.10 to 9.04. do anybody think it a bad idea at this point?
[00:02] <ConstantineXVI> admin_masu3701, as long as you're prepared for breakage
[00:02]  * cwillu hears a 15 minute echo :p
[00:03] <ConstantineXVI> admin_masu3701, it works right now, but you never really know till hits beta
[00:03] <ConstantineXVI> admin_masu3701, er, know for sure
[00:11] <RecoverWChroot> anyone know how to recover a system with a livecd and a chroot?  I've done some mounting, and I chrooted, but no net connection within the chroot..
[00:12] <cwillu> recover what?
[00:12] <RecoverWChroot> cwillu: well, jaunty stopped working for me yesterday.  I'm hoping to update it
[00:12] <cwillu> stopped working in what way?
[00:13] <cwillu> gotta be specific :)
[00:13] <cwillu> do you still get grub?
[00:13] <RecoverWChroot> well, after I log in, network-manager, as usual, tries to connect to the net
[00:14] <cwillu> try booting up with an older kernel (one or two back from the last in grub)
[00:14] <RecoverWChroot> then, harddrive errors start getting thrown, and wifi card errors start getting thrown.  So, I get stuck.  Can't run any commands anymore
[00:14] <cwillu> admin_masu3701, ^^^ the sort of thing you can expect, and should be comfortable dealing with
[00:14] <RecoverWChroot> I only have the one
[00:15] <cwillu> harddrive errors?  that doesn't sound like a jaunty problem
[00:15] <cwillu> is it a fresh install then?
[00:15] <RecoverWChroot> no, since like alpha3
[00:15] <cwillu> and you only have one kernel installed?
[00:16] <cwillu> (we offer to uninstall old kernels now, but that will still leave the previous version installed)
[00:19] <chronic> i'm looking for something with GUI that does what services do in widows.. especially enable/disable at startup
[00:19] <burner> blasted nvidia drivers!?!?!
[00:20] <burner> chronic: like system -> admin -> services ?
[00:20] <chronic> on kde
[00:21] <burner> hrm, i'm not too hip to kde unfortunately
[00:24] <chronic> system monitor does most of the job. but it has no enable/disable options
[00:24] <admin_masu3701> if i upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 will i be able to get a new copy in april when the final one is out?
[00:26] <chronic> xorg uses 80MB and 30-70% of my cpu, what up with that?
[00:27] <burner> anyone know where to find chatter about hte new evolution-mapi plugin?  It freezes for me when trying to connect to an exchange 2003 server
[00:30] <chronic> what's nepomuk for?
[00:35] <hggdh> burner, try #evolution-mapi or #evolution on gimpnet
[00:36] <burner> gracias hggdh
[00:36] <hggdh> de nada, burner
[01:13] <FFForever> anyone notice firefox is a cpu hog?
[01:20] <chronic> FFForever, probably it crashed
[01:20] <FFForever> it didn't crash it just uses 40% of my cpu =\
[01:21] <durt> FFForever: in a general sense it's a ram hog, cpu hog when visiting poorly designed flash based sites
[01:21] <FFForever> i don't see flash sites thankfully =)
[01:21] <chronic> FFForever, yeah im sure it crashed in some way, only uses 1% on my pc
[01:21] <FFForever> some reason when i go 2 a flash site the flash does not exit when i leave and i have 2 kill firefox to get it down from 100%
[01:22] <chronic> update the flash and firefox , maybe?
[01:24] <chronic> FFForever, how much cpu and ram ur xorg uses?
[01:25] <FFForever> 6% and 1.9%
[01:25] <FFForever> thats the average
[01:25] <durt> how does one configure screensavers in xubuntu jaunty?
[01:26] <FFForever> chronic, but it might be higher since i am using the nvidia drivers with ignore ABI
[01:26] <chronic> FFForever, my xorg uses up to 70% cpu, 80MB
[01:26]  * DanaG wonders when ATI will put out a new fglrx.
[01:26] <FFForever> =\
[01:27] <chronic> FFForever, using fglrx. lulz
[01:27] <DanaG> My main gripe with the ATI open-source driver: sucks power like crazy.
[01:28] <crdlb> DanaG: April 22
[01:28] <chronic> i guess u r on a laptop
[01:28] <DanaG> Yup.  Is that 22nd a definitive date?
[01:28] <DanaG> Or just a SWAG?
[01:28] <DanaG> sillly wild ... guess.
[01:28] <nilson_> What is the command to enable CTRL-ALT-BKSP?
[01:28] <nilson_> I cant get to a browser right now
[01:28] <nilson_> and my X is broken
[01:29] <crdlb> DanaG: jaunty release date - 1 :)
[01:29] <DanaG> I wish they'd gone with the SuSE solution: reset Xorg is ctrl-alt-backspace-backspace.
[01:29] <Slartibartfast> nilson: dontsnap --disable
[01:29] <chronic> nilson_, restore the previous xorg.conf, id u changed something, there is a backup
[01:29] <Slartibartfast> *disable
[01:29] <DanaG> dontzap
[01:29] <nilson_> I didn't change anything; a game crashed.
[01:29] <crdlb> dontsnap lol
[01:30] <DanaG> fglrx doesn't work for me even on intrepid.  :{
[01:30] <chronic> DanaG, what video chipset?
[01:30] <DanaG> Mobility HD3650.
[01:31] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[01:32] <chronic> DanaG, why don't u try installing from the repos?
[01:32] <DanaG> I did, with that.
[01:33] <DanaG> 8.543... worked.  8.552.. panic.  8.563... panic.  8.570... panic.  8.578 or whatever it was... panic.
[01:34] <crdlb> 8.765 will be the ticket
[01:34] <chronic> DanaG, reinstall it from the repo, then reboot in "safe mode" and select the fix X problems, then continue normal boot, might help
[01:34] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm just plain on Jaunty now, so I'll just live with it.
[01:34] <quentin> hey there, experiencing problems with the gnome application launcher (alt+F2 by default) and compiz
[01:34] <quentin> it doesn't launch up
[01:35] <DanaG> I just wish the OSS drivers didn't suck so much power.
[01:36] <chronic> DanaG, well , i think we are looking at 10 more years before the video drivers become fully functional...
[01:36] <quentin> and gnome-menu is weird
[01:37] <quentin> items in it disappear from time to time
[01:37] <DanaG> power management for me is higher priority than 3D support, actually.
[01:38] <chronic> DanaG, have u tried different distros?
[01:38] <quentin> anyone?
[01:40] <chronic> quentin, no man, linux is full of weird things
[01:40] <rww> !bug | quentin
[01:40] <chronic> ot things that just don't work properly
[01:40] <quentin> chronic: no, linux is not. It's just in dev
[01:41] <quentin> thanks rww
[01:42] <chronic> linux never leaves beta, because something is always broken, haha
[01:43] <rww> chronic: the discussion channel for an unreleased, in-development edition of Ubuntu seems a strange place to assert that, considering that the software in question here is *expected* to be broken.
[01:43] <rww> chronic: but then, trolling in #ubuntu gets you kicked, I guess.
[01:44] <chronic> what r u talking about?
[02:03] <hansin> This is purely a question of curiosity, no complaining (yes, I know it is alpha software).  I updated my Dell laptop to Jaunty.  It has the Intel 945 chipset for video.  I noticed Compiz no longer works.  This has not been an issue on my desktop PC with nVidia card.  Curious if anyone knew the issue here.  Thanks.
[02:04] <crdlb> hansin: pastebin the output of 'compiz --replace'
[02:08] <hansin_> that just hosed my window decorations (in Gnome) and locked things up.  I am writing logged in from a text console.  I'll keep trying.
[02:10] <crdlb> ok, then pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:10] <hansin_> ok.
[02:10] <hansin_> exit
[02:16] <hansin> here is my pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m7b849e3f
[02:19] <crdlb> meh freenode, stop lagging
[02:20] <crdlb> hansin: looks ok, so I'm not sure what's wrongt
[02:21] <crdlb> it's probably a driver/X problem though
[02:21] <hansin> I'll just keep updating and see what changes.  I know this is alpha stuff.  I'll try and see if a bug report has been submitted.  Thanks for taking a look.
[03:01] <ian1> hmm my panel got big after the last update-- is 35 pixels the new minimum?
[03:08] <ian1> hmm removing the window list lets me reduce it to 29px
[03:11] <DanaG> random: have you ever seen anything quite as ugly as.... this?  http://www.winsupersite.com/alt/safari4.asp
[03:18] <loveissuicide> hello, if I am just a regular user, yet a curious one, it is recommendable to uprgrade to 9.04?
[03:18] <cdm10> loveissuicide: no! read the topic.
[03:19] <loveissuicide> cdm 10: ok
[03:19]  * DanaG wonders if there'll be a ppa for plymouth+kms kernel before jaunty+1.
[03:20] <DanaG> I tried the plymouth ppa... did nothing but give blank screen.
[03:34] <CapaH> Question, I am logged in using vncviewer into my sister's computer who recently tried to upgrade from Intrepid to Jaunty -- and the screen does not update on vncviewer. I can see the screen state when I first connect, but I cannot see any changes. Like if she moves a window, I do not see it move. I just see the frozen screen. However, I CAN see the mouse cursor move.
[03:37] <CapaH> I am logged in with vncviewer however the screen does not refresh. Can anyone tell me why this is?
[03:42] <lamalex> does anyone have jaunty running on an eeepc? is there an lpia port of jaunty?
[03:45] <maxride_> ....Just had a glitch in the update process....have a way to send a screenshot?
[03:49] <yofel_> lamalex: i'm running jaunty right now on a eeePC 1000H - nice :)
[03:53] <maxride_> Ok.....this is a bit odd....anyone know how to get the upgrade to complete?
[03:53] <maxride_> http://show.simpload.com/index.php?filename=030449af4cb91b0e0.upgrade_Badness
[03:54] <lamalex> yofel_: is that atom or celeron
[03:54] <yofel_> atom
[03:54] <lamalex> running standard x86, or is there an lpia port
[03:55] <maxride_> ...i guess I should have picked a faster site to upload that screenshot to.
[03:55] <lamalex> yofel_: ^^
[03:55] <yofel_> i'm running the standard x86 version
[03:56] <lamalex> ah ok
[03:56] <lamalex> i was hoping for an lpia port for the power savings and minor speed boost
[03:58] <lamalex> oh snap
[03:58] <lamalex> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/8.10/release/
[03:58] <lamalex> there is
[04:01] <maxride_> Ok, the upgrade is asking me to click "OK" in terminal.
[04:02] <maxride_> ....But I cant interact with it.  =/   Am I screwed?
[04:02] <maxride_> Also, in the terminal that spawned the upgrade:
[04:02] <maxride_> maxride@maxride-laptop:~$ update-manager
[04:02] <maxride_> maxride@maxride-laptop:~$ update-manager -d
[04:02] <maxride_> extracting 'jaunty.tar.gz'
[04:02] <maxride_> authenticate 'jaunty.tar.gz' against 'jaunty.tar.gz.gpg'
[04:02] <maxride_>  * Starting automatic crash report generation: apport                    [ OK ]
[04:02] <Hobbsee> that screenshot doesn't load?
[04:03] <maxride_> Yea...I'm trying to find a site that will accept it,.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> imageshack's usually good
[04:05] <maxride_> u_u;  Well..I wan't trying to register for anything...I'll just put it up on my site.
[04:06] <maxride_> http://www.gaithersburgitsolutions.com-a.googlepages.com/upgrade_Badness
[04:06] <maxride_> ???
[04:06] <maxride_> u_u;  Okay, that doesn't work either....
[04:07] <maxride_> I'll just install GIMP...BRB
[04:07] <maxride_> ...Ok yea, I can't since the first install is frozen...
[04:07] <Hobbsee> oh
[04:07] <Hobbsee> maxride_: hit tab, then hit enter.
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hum, unless tab doesn't work either
[04:08] <Hobbsee> (and file a bug on libc6 about that)
[04:08] <maxride_> Ah-hah!  That worked....
[04:08] <maxride_> Hobbsee:  Did that screenshot open for you?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> (yes, else i wouldn't have known what the problem is ;) )
[04:09]  * Hobbsee heads off to class
[04:09] <maxride_> ....Odd.  My firefox tried to make me download it an labeled it as a ".BIN" file.
[04:11] <maxride_> Anyways, Thanks!
[04:14] <DanaG> showed as octet-stream for me.
[04:14] <DanaG> No file extension.
[04:20] <maxride_> >_>;  Oh, I'm doing this on an HP Mini....so....hopefully nothing horrible happens.  x_x;  If it works....then you'll know it works on this hardware (With the exception of installing NDIS for the WLAN)
[04:24] <vbgunz> man I am getting happy. I could not suspend to ram or disk last week. now, I pretty much got the ram issued out 100% and the disk at 99%... I say 99 because, once, my network died on resume, now, I lost some shortcuts. anyone know how to restart the shortcut system? I don't believe its khotkeys. its something else
[04:26] <vbgunz> kde component run command interface?
[05:04] <akio1> so I was wondering if anyone in here has used hamachi and ssh together?
[05:04] <akio1> i can't figure it out
[05:26] <z0d14k> Anybody know why my Jaunty system won't connect to any 5 GHz access points (802.11a or 802.11n) with an Intel WiFi Link 5300 (it worked great in Intrepid)?  I have done clean installs of intrepid and jaunty to verify that it works in one and not the other, and also to verify it wasn't a problem with my install.
[05:28] <z0d14k> I verified that I can't see the AP's with NetworkManager, kismet and iwlist wlan0 scanning
[05:30] <Firestone> Hey, anyone here?
[05:31] <z0d14k> Firestone: Yes.
[05:32] <Firestone> I'm looking for help, I'm using the 9.04 alpha, and it won't work with the mouse pad on my laptop. So when I don't have a mouse, the computer is useless. I assume its a driver I have to install, something simple, I just don't know what I need to. Any idea?
[05:34] <maco> Firestone: is your touchpad enabled in system -> preferences -> mouse -> touchpad?
[05:36] <Firestone> There is no option for touch pad in that mouse menu
[05:38]  * crdlb sees one
[05:41] <Firestone> The options are: Mouse Orientation, Locate Pointer, Pointer Speed, Drag and Drop, and Double Click Timeout. No touch pad...
[05:42] <crdlb> look at the tabs
[05:43] <maco> Firestone: touchpad is the last tab
[05:44] <Firestone> There are only two tabs, General and Accessibility
[05:44] <crdlb> weird, perhaps it only shows up when it detects a touchpad
[05:44] <Firestone> The most likely answer is that it isn't detecting the touch pad for some reason. Fixing that is somewhat more difficult though
[05:44] <crdlb> is xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed?
[05:46] <Firestone> Its installing now, lets hope that works
[05:46] <DanaG> might need to vt-switch to get it working once the package installs.
[05:46] <Firestone> Its installed, no response from the touch pad, and no tab in the mouse menu still
[05:46] <Firestone> vt-switch?
[05:47] <crdlb> or an X restart?
[05:48] <Firestone> Can I restart X without restarting the computer?
[05:48] <Firestone> I've never had to before =P
[05:48] <DanaG> go to "log out"
[05:48] <DanaG> might have to alt-f1 to get menus.
[05:49] <nihilist> press alt+f4 to continue
[05:50] <Firestone> Worked perfectly, thanks guys
[05:52] <nihilist> is there a GUI except gadmin for ubuntu?
[06:01] <DanaG> oh yeah, when my edid says this, what does it mean?
[06:01] <DanaG>             Red X:                 0.596            Red Y:                 0.351            Green X:               0.323            Green Y:               0.549            Blue X:                0.158            Blue Y:                0.148            White X:               0.313            White Y:               0.329
[06:01] <mkokotovich> Does anyone here know a lot about modprobe?
[06:02] <mkokotovich> especially the process it uses to select which module to choose if there are two present?
[08:03] <Q-FUNK> any pulseaudio maintainer around?  the last PA upload to Jaunty broke operation with Skype.
[08:04] <Q-FUNK> I'm just wondering how to trace the source of the regression.
[08:13] <admin_masu3701> have a question about ubuntu 9.04
[08:14] <admin_masu3701> will the ext3/ext4 will be authomatic or we will have to manually transfer after the final release?
[08:17] <chronic> admin_masu3701, u must be talking about an upgrade, from what?
[08:17] <admin_masu3701> 8.10
[08:18] <admin_masu3701> but heard about the ext3/ext4 and didnt want to mess with that
[08:18] <chronic> admin_masu3701, u don't have to convert the file system
[08:22] <admin_masu3701> chronic: really? i though i do if i upgrade now
[08:22] <admin_masu3701> i though the new one uses ext4 instead
[08:22] <chronic> admin, well, if u have ext3, we would u need to convert it to ext3?
[08:23] <chronic> it's optional
[08:23] <chronic> why
[08:23] <chronic> duh
[08:24] <admin_masu3701> i was reading a tutorial and it was talking about conversting ext3 to ext4
[08:26] <admin_masu3701> is now a good time to upgrade? i was thinking about doing that now
[08:27] <admin_masu3701> is anyone using the current alpha now? how is it?
[08:28] <chronic> admin_masu3701, im using the kde version, it's slow as fuck
[08:29] <admin_masu3701> chronic: oh really
[08:29] <chronic> admin_masu3701, omg, it's laglaaaag lag laaaagllagggglaaag la lag
[08:30] <admin_masu3701> lol
[08:30] <admin_masu3701> then i shouldnt upgrade at this time
[08:30] <admin_masu3701> am still using 8.10 but was curious about how the new one is
[08:31] <zniavre> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1072533&highlight=network+manager+jaunty&page=2  if somebody can't modify network
[08:31] <chronic> admin_masu3701, if u have a really fast pc , go for it
[08:32] <chronic> admin_masu3701, and i mean minimum core2 duo
[08:33] <admin_masu3701> is there alot problems?
[08:33] <chronic> admin_masu3701, and 2gigs of ddr2 or more/better
[08:33] <admin_masu3701> i do
[08:37] <chronic> admin_masu3701, i think it's gonna be a really good os in next few years "kubuntu" , but there are still a lot of broken things on it kde4.xxxx
[08:37] <admin_masu3701> ok
[08:38] <admin_masu3701> how better is the 9.04 alpha to 8.10?
[08:39] <chronic> right now, not much,
[08:39] <admin_masu3701> ok
[08:40] <admin_masu3701> so i guess i should wait til april
[08:40] <chronic> dude, live on the edge, install that shit
[08:42] <admin_masu3701> so you said i dont need to mess with ext3/ext4
[08:44] <chronic> how much stuff do u have that u need to do an upgrade? upgrades are king of dumb
[08:44] <chronic> d*
[08:45] <Alexia_Death> Upgrades dumb?
[08:45] <Alexia_Death> No way!
[08:46] <chronic> yes my friend
[08:50] <ziroday> chronic: updates are somewhat important
[08:50] <admin_masu3701> so i guess i will just wait for the fixed version
[08:51] <ziroday> admin_masu3701: if you read the topic, jaunty will cause random breakages. Its not advised to upgrade until it is complete
[08:52] <chronic> ziroday, i'm only talking about upgrading from like 8 to 9
[08:52] <ziroday> chronic: 8 to 9?
[08:53] <chronic> ziroday, u want a candy?
[08:53] <ziroday> chronic: err no?
[08:53] <chronic> ziroday, u are so cute
[08:53] <ziroday> right
[08:55] <ziroday> chronic: sorry, but I have no idea what on earth you are on about
[08:56] <chronic> ziroday, dude , "upgrade" from like 8.10 aka 8 to 9.10 or whatever aka 9
[08:57] <ziroday> chronic: you do understand the ubuntu versioning scheme right? its year.month
[08:57] <ziroday> chronic: which is why there is no 9 or 8 release
[08:58] <chronic> ziroday, if u don't know, stfu.. simple
[08:58] <ziroday> chronic: and currently 9.10 (aka karmic) isn't even being developed, I find it hard to work out how you can upgrade to it
[08:59] <ziroday> chronic: would you like a link to the official documentation explaining how it works?
[09:00] <ziroday> chronic: as year.month is how they are versioned. There will always be x.04 or x.10 as ubuntu has a six month release cylce
[09:00] <ziroday> s/cylce/cycle
[09:03]  * Alexia_Death yawns
[09:04] <chronic> ziroday, u didnt read what i said, did u?
[09:04] <ziroday> chronic: I read it, understand it not quite
[09:05] <ziroday> chronic: I'm not sure what you're referring to, what don't I know?
[09:06] <chronic> ziroday, why argue about stupid things? besides i wasnt even talking to u
[09:07] <ziroday> chronic: I was merely informing you of the ubuntu versioning scheme
[09:08] <chronic> ziroday, ok explain it to me
[09:09] <ziroday> chronic: I just did....its the release date which is year.month. So for jaunty it will be 9.04 as it will be released on April 2009
[09:09] <Volkodav> I still can not figure how to reinstall the apps that python update removed
[09:10] <ziroday> Volkodav: which apps?
[09:10] <Volkodav> they need to be build against newer version but all request the older one which still present ?
[09:10] <Volkodav> deluge mirage
[09:10] <Volkodav> some others
[09:10] <Volkodav> now I get an error
[09:10] <ziroday> Volkodav: yeah, you will have to wait for them to be rebuilt against the new python before you can use them
[09:11] <chronic> ziroday, if i had a shotgun i would shoot u in the face, oh wait, i do have a shotgun
[09:11] <Volkodav> That's what I figured
[09:11] <ziroday> chronic: is that a death threat?
[09:11] <ziroday> Volkodav: nothing you can do sorry
[09:11] <chronic> ziroday, just a joke, don't think im gonna kill you
[09:11] <ziroday> Volkodav: I know I'm personally waiting on deluge, I can give you the bug number if you want
[09:12] <ziroday> chronic: right...
[09:14] <ziroday> Volkodav: here is the bug report for deluge https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtorrent-rasterbar/+bug/335741
[09:17] <Volkodav> well ristreto and trasmission are doing a god job in the interim
[09:19] <Volkodav> I wonder why I can not add the hardware sensor plugin in xfce anymore ?
[09:19] <Q-FUNK> transmission never worked here.  deluge is the first and only torrent client that ever worked for me, so far.
[09:19] <Volkodav> I had no troubles with transmission
[09:21] <chronic> lulz, is transmission like a crippled clone of the worst bittorrent client ever?
[09:21] <Q-FUNK> basically, yes, it is.
[09:22] <Q-FUNK> here, every time I tried it, I saw it stall when trying to fetch files.  and I regularly try again, with the same lack of results.
[09:23] <chronic> lulz, what kind of idiot preallocates space for the torrent "by default"?
[09:24] <wgrant> chronic: What's wrong with that?
[09:24] <ziroday> chronic: most bittorrent clients do that
[09:24] <wgrant> I would hope so.
[09:25] <wgrant> As it reduces fragmentation significantly.
[09:26] <chronic> wgrant, preallocating a 4gig torrent takes like 5 min on my machine... and during that time the system is basically frozen
[09:26] <wgrant> chronic: Your filesystem is dodgy, or you have found a bug in Transmission which you should report.
[09:26] <chronic> wgrant, imagine opening a 60gb torrent
[09:26] <wgrant> I've never had such problems.
[09:26] <ziroday> chronic: it shouldn't take 5 minutes, basically all it does is tell the kernel that this section of the hard drive here is mine. Try to keep stuff off it
[09:26]  * wgrant imagines it.
[09:27] <wgrant> I didn't crash while imagining it - what is your point?
[09:27] <ziroday> wgrant: and you didn't take 5 minutes either :)
[09:27] <wgrant> ziroday: If it takes more than a trivial fallocate, then it is doing it wrong.
[09:28] <wgrant> And that is a bug, which can't be fixed unless somebody, you know, reports it.
[09:28] <ziroday> wgrant: which I doubt transmission is doing
[09:28] <ziroday> wgrant: I'm not disagreeing with you here :)
[09:28] <wgrant> So. File. A. Damn. Bug.
[09:28] <wgrant> It is *correct behaviour* to preallocate it.
[09:29] <ziroday> wgrant: err I never said transmissions preallocation was broken. chronic did
[09:29] <wgrant> ziroday: Sorry, I appear to be doing too much context switching.
[09:29] <ziroday> wgrant: heh
[09:30] <chronic> wgrant, dude, it preallocates space for the "entire torrent" before it starts downloading
[09:30] <wgrant> chronic: Which is precisely the behaviour I would expect.
[09:30] <chronic> wgrant, it should just start downloading and preallocate whatever space it needs based on what it downloads
[09:31] <wgrant> And precisely the behaviour that Ted T'so recommends.
[09:31] <wgrant> Why?
[09:31] <ziroday> chronic: err then you get fragmentation, defeats the whole purpose of preallocation
[09:32] <chronic> ziroday, dude, fuck the fragmentation, i don't want my computer frozen for half a day because it's preallocating a 60gb torrent
[09:32] <ziroday> chronic: please don't swear. Also your computer should not be frozen for half a day during pre allocation
[09:33] <ziroday> chronic: either you're filesystem is screwy or your transmission preallocation is borked. File a bug.
[09:33] <wgrant> Exactly.
[09:34] <ziroday> chronic: most bittorrent clients do preallocate
[09:34] <wgrant> fallocate should be very cheap.
[09:34] <chronic> ziroday, i know , they just preallocate a better way
[09:34] <ziroday> chronic: err most of them use fallocate AFAIK
[09:35] <ziroday> chronic: i.e. they tell the filesystem they want this much and the filesystem works it out]
[09:36] <wgrant> Transmission does use fallocate, and never preallocates another way.
[09:36] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[09:37] <chronic> transmission and ktorrent should join task force, maybe we would see a decent client
[09:37] <ziroday> chronic: if you're not happy with transmission then use something else, also this conversation is better suited to #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:39] <chronic> ziroday, u know what would make me happy?
[09:39] <ziroday> I'm sure you are about to tell me chronic
[09:40] <chronic> ziroday, only if u want to hear it
[09:40] <ziroday> chronic: I really couldn't care either way.
[09:40] <chronic> so u want me to tell u or not?
[09:40] <ziroday> no.
[09:41] <chronic> ok, sit down
[09:41] <dns53> anyone know if you can have 2 wubi installs with different releases?
[09:44] <chronic> dns53, with linux u can do anything
[09:45] <dns53> i'm more concerned about the windows side, i could probably work out how wubi boots and hack the boot menu
[09:50] <BUGabundo> guud morning everyone!
[09:51] <BUGabundo> how is our beloved "jumpy jack" threating you today?
[09:52] <chronic> ok, can someone tell me why tf is kubuntu so freaking slow?
[09:54] <chronic> it's a freaking slide show on 1gb ram and 2ghz amd64
[09:55] <ziroday> chronic: *sigh* file bugs.
[09:57] <chronic> u need to quit being pussies and install vuze as default bittorrent client
[09:58] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[09:58] <ziroday> chronic: that conversation is better suited for #ubuntu-offtopic, also why on earth would we want vuze compared to transmission
[09:58] <BUGabundo> that will (NOT) kill your machine for SURE
[09:58] <CosmiChaos> chronic: i guess transmission is enough for my purpuses ;)
[09:59] <BUGabundo> transmission is too BASIC
[09:59] <BUGabundo> deluge is a mess and gives me incomplete downloads
[09:59] <chronic> vize is a very good client,
[09:59] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: i basic wrong for basic purpuse?
[09:59] <chronic> best on linux
[09:59] <ziroday> transmission is fine for new users wanting to use bittorrent, deluge is more complicated and vuze is right up thier
[09:59] <SwedeMike> where does rtorrent fit?
[10:07] <darXbuntu> anyone here have problem with nvidia graphic n jaunty?
[10:07] <darXbuntu> my comp cant set higer than 800x600
[10:07] <darXbuntu> how to fix it?
[10:08] <chronic> darXbuntu, i think we should ask if there is anyone that doesn't have any video problems
[10:09] <darXbuntu> hm..
[10:09] <darXbuntu> =.=
[10:09] <ikonia> darXbuntu: I'd advise you not to release a development release if you want a "quick" turn around or working system
[10:09] <CosmiChaos> when will the compiz 0.8 be included in ubuntu? will it be in jaunty or first in karmic?
[10:09] <ikonia> darXbuntu: things will be breaking a lot
[10:09] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: not the current version in jaunty
[10:10] <darXbuntu> i really love if automount is installed in jaunty
[10:10] <darXbuntu> :P
[10:10] <BUGabundo1> back!
[10:10] <BUGabundo1> lights went down!
[10:11] <chronic> spooky
[10:11] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: hopefully it will be available through ppa as soon as jaunty is released ;)
[10:12] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: that's up to an individual, I see no reason for it at this time
[10:12] <chronic> CosmiChaos, they not gonna do it , cause drivers suck
[10:13] <chronic> video drivers
[10:13] <darXbuntu> yeah.mostly new driver
[10:13] <darXbuntu> i mean new video
[10:15] <CosmiChaos> chronic: mine 180.35 runs well
[10:15] <chronic> whats that?
[10:15] <CosmiChaos> nvidia driver
[10:16] <darXbuntu> driver veresion?
[10:16] <CosmiChaos> but lets wuit that topic
[10:17] <chronic> oh, im talking general, i read drivers from ati and nvidia just suck on linux , compared to the windows drivers
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> had anyone seen suspending and/or hibernating in current jaunty working?
[10:17] <BUGabundo1> some what!
[10:17] <BUGabundo1> it was working more or less
[10:17] <BUGabundo1> and sometimes I got tracebacks
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> chronic: i dont think that the nvidia driver for linux sucks ;)
[10:17] <BUGabundo1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/335465
[10:18] <CosmiChaos> on both mine computer shuts down :/
[10:20] <Infecto> some on have problem with kde 4.2 and network manager? i cant set proper ip on eth0, only dhcp work, this Auto function, and i dont know how to disable it
[10:20] <Infecto> under gnome works fine
[10:21] <chronic> CosmiChaos, so nvidia driver is great? exactly same performance and functionality as windows driver?
[10:21] <BUGabundo1> Infecto: network on kubuntu is broken
[10:21] <Infecto> but under kde dont want. I have set it in Network manager (widget) settings, i have 2 connections for eth0
[10:21] <BUGabundo1> and in need of dire care and attention
[10:21] <Infecto> BUGabundo1: ok, thanks.
[10:21] <BUGabundo1> chronic: CosmiChaos I would like to know that too!
[10:21] <BUGabundo1> ppl keep saying "linux" drivers are as fast!
[10:22] <Infecto> but have less functions
[10:22] <Infecto> last drivers bring hardware accel but broke other things
[10:24] <Infecto> hmm, opera dont want to statrtt under kubuntu (uptodata)
[10:24] <Infecto> clone(child_stack=0, flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCHLD, child_tidptr=0xb70d59b8) = 5381
[10:24] <Infecto> waitpid(5381,
[10:24] <Infecto> wtf? :)
[10:27] <Infecto> connect(14, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/.ICE-unix/4735"...}, 21) = 0
[10:27] <Infecto> fcntl64(14, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC)        = 0
[10:27] <Infecto> write(14, "\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 8)     = 8
[10:27] <Infecto> read(14,
[10:27] <Infecto> firefox have problem like this
[10:29] <chronic> Infecto, its crazy i tell u, i run firefox just fine
[10:30] <Infecto> chronic: but only under kde 4.2.1 dont want to work
[10:30] <Infecto> under gnome works just fine
[10:30] <chronic> im running 4.2.1
[10:31] <ikonia> Infecto: don't flood the channel please, and try not to use phrases like "wtf" we know what it means
[10:32]  * BUGabundo1 wants kdelibs for 4.2.1 to fix KMAIL delete crash
[10:32] <CosmiChaos> chronic: BUGabundo1: i cannot say anything about high end, but i have relatively fast performance for my onboard geforce 7150
[10:32] <Infecto> ikonia: i`m sory, will not happend again.
[10:32] <CosmiChaos> and all functions that are necessary for my low end profile
[10:33] <ikonia> Infecto: no problem, thanks
[10:34] <chronic> CosmiChaos, i have a bad ass x19xx and my desktop performance is horrible, i don't even bother with anything 3d
[10:34] <CosmiChaos> chronic: what is x19xx? stone-age?
[10:35] <chronic> CosmiChaos, stfu dude, x19xx is a very powerful gpu
[10:36] <CosmiChaos> chronic: quote chronic: "i have a bad ass x19xx and my desktop performance is horrible" stfuys
[10:37] <chronic> CosmiChaos, thats because of the bad drivers, the whole point, genius
[10:37] <CosmiChaos> lol
[10:38] <CosmiChaos> do you know the manufacturers name or is it just "x19xx"? :p
[10:38] <chronic> whats the difference? makes no difference at all
[10:39] <CosmiChaos> i wanna know what you are talkinjg about
[10:39] <CosmiChaos> migh manufacturer nvidia, ati, s3, 3dfx *g*
[10:39] <CosmiChaos> wth is x19xx
[10:40] <chronic> dude, most of the cards are reference design, just different name in the bios and maybe some tweaks
[10:40] <CosmiChaos> lol which manufacturer?
[10:41] <chronic> doesnt matter
[10:41] <CosmiChaos> ?
[10:41] <CosmiChaos> if you dont know which gpu you are talking about stfu dude
[10:41] <chronic> x19xx is obviously ati
[10:42] <CosmiChaos> obiously?
[10:42] <chronic> CosmiChaos, see u dont know shit
[10:43] <CosmiChaos> you ati-knowing people, i never cared about that sucking company, just less as they were sucked by more suckingamd :D
[10:43] <CosmiChaos> wtf should i know x19xx from could be anything, S3 you know
[10:43] <CosmiChaos> i dont care of your bs, be spccccccorstf talkinwmmmmmm
[10:43] <bazhang> chronic, stop with the bad language
[10:44] <bazhang> !coc | chronic
[10:44] <chronic> CosmiChaos, obviously u don't know anything about video cards
[10:44] <bazhang> !ops | chronic
[10:44] <CosmiChaos> chronic: no obvious you were ntttttsssssppppeeeecccccciiffffffccccc
[10:44] <CosmiChaos> wtttttt
[10:45] <chronic> what does that mean?
[10:45] <bazhang> it means you are about to be banned
[10:45] <ziroday> bazhang: did you see the earlier bit where he said he would shoot me in the face with a shotgun?
[10:45] <ziroday> bazhang: just in case some clarity is needed
[10:46] <bazhang> chronic, you were asked repeatedly in #kubuntu to stop, then took it here
[10:46] <bazhang> ziroday, just see it now
[10:46] <chronic> bazhang, bazhang my nigga, i like how your name sounds
[10:46] <ziroday> bazhang: great :)
[10:46] <bazhang> chronic, just go
[10:46] <bazhang> ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. :(
[10:47] <CosmiChaos> im sry about my keyboard
[10:48]  * CosmiChaos was bad too :D
[10:49] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: then please don't in future
[11:50] <jk-> hey all.
[11:54] <humbolt2> has firefox gotten unstable for you in jaunty too? mine is crashing all the time. closing some tabs or windows does trigger that!
[11:56] <cwillu> haven't noticed, but I was a bit behind on updates until a couple hours ago
[11:56] <cwillu> been using mozillateams ppa in intrepid though, haven't had many issues on the last build
[11:57] <humbolt2> cwillu: hmm, I have no clue where that might be coming from.
[11:58] <cwillu> well, run it from a terminal, will give at least a slight clue the next time it crashes I guess
[12:38] <PC-Ente> hi guys
[12:38] <PC-Ente> i'm wondering why my Touchpad isnt working with jaunty...
[12:39] <PC-Ente> obs
[12:39] <PC-Ente> never mind...
[14:18] <Alastair_> hi guys... a few days ago after a update my wireless broke - a few seconds, sometimes minutes after i enable it my PC freezes. Has anyone experienced anything like this? It happens only in ad-hoc mode and there are no logs left behind.
[14:19] <BUGabundo> Alastair_: there was an error with a recent wifi driver
[14:19] <BUGabundo> a new update came today, but I haven't tested it
[14:19] <BUGabundo> boot into an older kernel and see if it OK
[14:19] <Alastair_> yeah, i read something about it, and now i'm running the latest compat-wireless drivers
[14:20] <Alastair_> it is still screwed up :/
[14:20] <BUGabundo> if so, the change made on the backports -8 also damage your system
[14:20] <Alastair_> it happens with today's updates too
[14:20] <BUGabundo> yeah
[14:20] <BUGabundo> that should be it
[14:20] <BUGabundo> try the older kernel
[14:20] <BUGabundo> if you still have it
[14:20] <BUGabundo> other wise ping apw and he will let you know what to do
[14:21] <BUGabundo> oops!
[14:21] <BUGabundo> thanks to let me know!
[14:21] <Alastair_> nah, it's not that important, i still have my router, it's just annoying ^^
[14:21] <BUGabundo> that way I won't upgrade AGAIN
[14:21] <BUGabundo> please let apw know
[14:22] <BUGabundo> but its IMPORTANT
[14:22] <BUGabundo> other will be afected
[14:22] <Alastair_> i mean it's not important for me, at least not that much, otherwise of course it is a major regression...
[14:23] <Alastair_> by the way who's apw (i'm still green around here xD )
[14:32] <cumulus007> The messages Usplashs displays, like "Waking up. Please wait...", are they translatable?
[14:35] <thehook> is virtualizing removed from kernel in jaunty alpha?
[14:36] <charlie-tca> thehook: I use VirtualBox in Jaunty. It works in Xubuntu
[14:37] <theholyduck> charlie-tca, it works even WITHOUT kernel virtualization
[14:37] <theholyduck> though
[14:37] <theholyduck> i think :P
[14:37] <theholyduck> rather. it works without the special intel/amd accelration options
[14:39] <BUGabundo> Alastair_: he is one of the kernel devs
[14:40] <BUGabundo> you can talk to him on #ubuntu-kernel
[14:40] <Alastair_> hm
[14:40] <Alastair_> i found a bug on launchpad that is very similar to my problem
[14:40] <Alastair_> it seems the troublemaker is the network manager, not the driver...
[14:41] <bazookatooth> most likely... dropping and reconnecting constantly?
[14:41] <thehook> charlie-tca: what does the following command show with you? egrep '(vmx|svm)' --color=always /proc/cpuinfo
[14:41] <Alastair_> nope system freezes with encrypted ad-hoc network
[14:41] <thehook> + does it give any output?
[14:42] <Alastair_> no output, it freezes without any warning
[14:42] <bazookatooth> alastair_: have you tried wicd
[14:42] <charlie-tca> thehook: flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow up rep_good pni cx16 lahf_lm svm extapic cr8_legacy
[14:42] <charlie-tca> with "svm" in red
[14:43] <thehook> charlie-tca: ok thanks :) then its something here thats gone wrong :P i did also on intrepid, but not in jaunty anymore.. what processor do you have?
[14:43] <charlie-tca> amd64 athlon 2.2
[14:44] <charlie-tca> single core
[14:44] <thehook> ok, thanks :)
[14:44] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[14:47] <Alastair_> hm... that wicd thingy wants to remove the network manager...
[14:47] <Alastair_> i won't mess around with it since my inet comes through the ethernet and i have a router... the ad-hoc isn't a priority...
[14:47] <thehook> anyone knows why my intel p7350 processor does not show the vmx flag in /proc/cpuinfo ?
[14:57] <bazookatooth> Alastair_: yes, it replaces the network manager.. but it will work
[14:57] <bazookatooth> Alastair_: 'sup to you... only reason i don't like it is it doesn't handle vpn that well... but all my network manager problems went away when i moved to jaunty so i didnt need it
[15:06] <ButterflyOfFire> Hello :)
[15:07] <BUGabundo> hi ButterflyOfFire
[15:07] <ButterflyOfFire> cvan I ask my question ?
[15:07] <ButterflyOfFire> can*
[15:07] <ButterflyOfFire> No you can't :p
[15:07] <ButterflyOfFire> I have a problem to setup mode 1280x1024 on Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope (The driver is working fine but cannot get the full mode)
[15:08] <ButterflyOfFire> I'm on 64 bits
[15:09] <ButterflyOfFire> I tried to modify my xorg.conf but my screen says "Out of area"
[15:09] <ButterflyOfFire> here is my xorg.conf => http://pastebin.com/d7aee8767
[15:10] <ButterflyOfFire> I have added : ModeLine       "1280x1024@60" blablabla
[15:10] <ButterflyOfFire> I knox there is not "blablabla" :p
[15:10] <ButterflyOfFire> know*
[15:13] <ButterflyOfFire> yo tixxdz welcome
[15:13] <tixxdz> hello
[15:13] <ButterflyOfFire> Are you following me ? :p
[15:13] <ButterflyOfFire> You know IRC is not Twitter :D
[15:14] <tixxdz> ^^
[15:15] <Q-FUNK> Howdy!  I'm on Ubuntu/Jaunty using 0.9.14-0ubuntu10 and it seems that with every PA release, usability with Skype decreases.  It stutters like like a broken record.
[15:15] <Q-FUNK> I already visited the PA site and edited the config as suggested there. It used to work fine with that until the previous Ubuntu release, but not anymore.
[15:15] <Q-FUNK> Is there anything else I should check for?
[15:19] <danbhfive_jaunty> Q-FUNK: thats weird, I've been experience strange audio problems with skype too, though not necessarily with just jaunty
[15:19] <Alexia_Death> Q-FUNK: pulseaudio problems are well known
[15:20] <kazagistar> this is such a wierd error... my compy crashed while installing some updates... after a bit of fixing my only apparently broken package is yelp, except now (1) my desktop is displaying funny little text errors, in random places on the desktop, (2) all my file associations are broken, so every file looks blank and tries to open with the text editor, and (3) I cannot play and sound or movies, as it cannot find the codecs for them (possibly associated w
[15:21] <kazagistar> any ideas for a possible fix?
[15:23] <danbhfive_jaunty> kazagistar: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^              maybe that will install some missing packages?
[15:26] <kazagistar> nope
[15:27] <kazagistar> well, the good news is I can still open non-media files, as long as I specify the right program
[15:29] <kazagistar> so I will just reinstall fresh when Beta comes :P
[15:41] <charlie-tca> kazagistar: did you try running the updates again, from the command line?
[15:41] <kazagistar> yep
[16:14] <Cotowar> can someone help me revert back to hardy from a partial jaunty upgrade?
[16:16] <BUGabundo> Cotowar: NO
[16:17] <Cotowar> dang
[16:17] <Cotowar> i was hoping to avoid an install, but alright
[16:25] <theholyduck> Cotowar, once you go 1 way. going back is pretty much impossible
[16:25] <Wellark> ﻿has anyone elses bootsplash broken after some recent update?
[16:25] <Cotowar> crap
[16:26] <Cotowar> the thing is, my sound card stopped functioning recently, and i just did the partial upgrade
[16:26] <Cotowar> though i also messed with my fingerprint scanner and that screwed some stuff up too
[16:27] <Cotowar> now, could i just wait it out and hope my computer fixes itself?
[16:28] <theholyduck> Cotowar, why not just go all the way into jaunty?
[16:29] <Cotowar> umm, apt hasn't offered me upgrades, and im kind of linux retarded when it comes to actual know how
[16:29] <Cotowar> i admit, i was once a windows user :(
[16:30] <Cotowar> what stage is jaunty in by the way?
[16:30] <unixdawg> i think we all where
[16:30] <unixdawg> and then tried mac
[16:30] <unixdawg> and then come over to the real world
[16:30] <Cotowar> lol
[16:30] <unixdawg> but I started on a honeywell vax system
[16:30] <Cotowar> can't say im old enough to know what that is...
[16:30] <unixdawg> then went to os2 with the win32 builtin
[16:31] <Cotowar> i remember being like 4 and having a win 3.1 system
[16:31] <unixdawg> I miss os2 it was a great os
[16:31] <unixdawg> <== turns 40 in 2 months
[16:31] <theholyduck> Cotowar, i had a dos system when i was 4 :P
[16:31] <unixdawg> from yesterday
[16:31] <theholyduck> then i used every windows up to 98
[16:31] <theholyduck> and since then i've been using linux
[16:32] <theholyduck> and its my honest opinion that linux has gotten worse lately
[16:32] <Cotowar> i did 98, xp, and i use vista at school because they dont have linux labs
[16:32] <unixdawg> I am a *BSD guy but need flash wich has not yet ported to bsd so I am stuck with linux for now on a dektop
[16:32] <unixdawg> I have a linux desktop and laptop and a bsd desktop and laptop
[16:32] <Cotowar> which flavor of BSD?
[16:32] <theholyduck> infact, linux getting worse pretty much directly relates to the introduction of ubuntu
[16:33] <theholyduck> in my book
[16:33] <Cotowar> lol
[16:33] <theholyduck> ubuntu made it allright to go for user friendlyness to be the main focus of a package
[16:33] <theholyduck> and since then pretty much everything got worse
[16:33] <theholyduck> xorg is worse. gnome is worse, kde is worse
[16:33] <theholyduck> even xfce is going to the shitters
[16:34]  * theholyduck remembers a "simpler" time
[16:34] <Cotowar> all i know is i can't do anything in gentoo. i would really like to, judging by what ive read its a good OS, but I like the support Ubuntu as
[16:34] <theholyduck> Cotowar, gentoo is pretty much one of the few distros in the world
[16:34] <theholyduck> WORSE than ubuntu
[16:34] <Cotowar> really?
[16:34] <theholyduck> wich is quite an archivement really
[16:35] <Cotowar> huh
[16:35] <theholyduck> Cotowar, the developers are pillocks. the package maintainers are idiots
[16:35] <theholyduck> and the packagemanager is a mess
[16:35] <Cotowar> oh, well yea that would do it
[16:35] <bazookatooth> lol yeah right. that is by far the best package manager in existence
[16:35] <theholyduck> bazookatooth, err
[16:35] <theholyduck> you cant do anythign without resulting to overlays
[16:36] <theholyduck> it disables everything you want by default
[16:36] <theholyduck> and your fellow users are almost all ricers
[16:36] <theholyduck> bazookatooth, i've been using linux for years. and i've pretty much used every major packagemanagement system.
[16:36] <admin_masu3701> is anyone using 9.04 alpha? is it complicated to upgrade from 8.10?
[16:36] <theholyduck> gentoos is one of the worse :P
[16:37] <Cotowar> which distro would you recommend me looking at as someone who knows very little about where things are in the filesystem, but isnt afraid to get their hands dirty?
[16:37] <theholyduck> Cotowar, well if you arent afraid of breaking things.p
[16:37] <Cotowar> im not
[16:37] <theholyduck> debian unstable is your best bet
[16:37] <Cotowar> hmm
[16:37] <theholyduck> all the pluss of package management of ubuntu with none of the horribleness
[16:38] <Cotowar> lol
[16:38] <theholyduck> but yeah. things breaks
[16:38] <theholyduck> sometimes things breaks horribly
[16:38] <bazookatooth> troll
[16:38] <theholyduck> bazookatooth, am not :P
[16:38] <bazookatooth> think so
[16:38] <theholyduck> bazookatooth, ubuntus packaging is horrible.
[16:38] <theholyduck> its a true story
[16:39] <theholyduck> debian isnt much better, but unstable doesnt stagnate atleast
[16:39] <Alastair_> theholyduck, yeah, but for young users like me user-f
[16:39] <Alastair_> friendlyness is everything
[16:39] <theholyduck> Alastair_, but linux hasnt really gotten more userfriendly.
[16:39] <Cotowar> how might i learn where everything is, as far as OS files and whatnot? Like I've snooped around in /etc, /usr, and /proc, but I dont know where the crap is located
[16:39] <theholyduck> infact i have more problems doing a desktop linux install now
[16:39] <theholyduck> than 3 years ago
[16:40] <Alastair_> if it wasn't dumbed down so much i probably would've never had the guts to remove the vista
[16:40] <bazookatooth> gb2/vista
[16:40] <admin_masu3701> do i have to convert ext3 to ext4 after upgrading from 8.10?
[16:40] <Alastair_> nope
[16:40] <danbeck> damn, I was just spending some time doing some sysadmin in gentoo and I had such a fucking unbelievable time, I wanted to come in here and see how you guys were doing.
[16:41] <Alastair_> i'd recommend against upgrading from 8.10 tho
[16:41] <Alastair_> either dual-boot or clean install
[16:41] <Cotowar> yea, im in a hole right now with the upgrade
[16:42] <Cotowar> and im being stubborn and waiting until they fix shit instead of re-installing
[16:42] <Alastair_> really, the upgrade will take much MUCH more time than clean install
[16:42] <theholyduck> Cotowar, Alastair_ http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
[16:42] <theholyduck> err
[16:42] <theholyduck> i ment
[16:42] <theholyduck> not Alastair_
[16:42] <Cotowar> already did it
[16:42] <theholyduck> just Cotowar :P
[16:42] <Cotowar> thank you sir. i appreciate that
[16:42] <admin_masu3701> alastair: so i dont have to convert ext3 to ext4?
[16:42] <theholyduck> the filesystem hirarchy standard :P
[16:42] <woogens> admin_masu3701: Nope
[16:42] <theholyduck> Cotowar, where and why everything is
[16:42] <Cotowar> right
[16:43] <Alastair_> nope, it'll work just fine
[16:43] <Cotowar> shit
[16:43] <Cotowar> ugh!
[16:43] <bazookatooth> lol whats the deal
[16:43] <admin_masu3701> cool..is there any major problem that i will run into when upgrading ?
[16:43] <Cotowar> my blackberry...
[16:44] <Cotowar> i just bought a blackberry curve, and the dang thing restarts itself every like 12 hours.
[16:44] <Cotowar> got it monday i think...
[16:44] <Cotowar> maybe tuesday
[16:44] <mahfiaz> hi, what to do with the following: gdesklets: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[16:44] <Alastair_> memory problem?
[16:45] <Alastair_> my ipaq does the same shit when i use too much ram...
[16:45] <Cotowar> idk, i think its my desktop theme on there. i installed a new one, and since then it started freaking out
[16:45] <woogens> admin_masu3701: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[16:45] <Cotowar> i might delete and see if that makes a difference
[16:47] <Cotowar> theholyduck: how hard do you think it would be to configure my own OS based on files already present in an existing distro?
[16:47] <theholyduck> Cotowar, as in?
[16:48] <theholyduck> you could just take ubuntu and rebrand it if you wanted
[16:48] <theholyduck> and modify the installer to install a couple of your custom stuffs
[16:48] <theholyduck> im involved in a project based on lunar linux currently
[16:48] <Cotowar> yea, that was the idea, but how hard is it? last time i re-compiled a kernel it took me like 14 hours. and looking back on it it was easy stuff
[16:49] <admin_masu3701> woogens: cool..am wondering if my wireless card will be working automatically or i have to go through all the installations
[16:49] <theholyduck> Cotowar, well you have to learn packaging
[16:49] <theholyduck> if you're going to make packages
[16:49] <Cotowar> okay
[16:49] <Cotowar> hmm
[16:49] <mahfiaz> like add cotowar-linux metapackage which is dependant on ubuntu-desktop and thunderbird, a reason big enough to rebrand :)
[16:49] <danbeck> 14 hours to compile a kernel?
[16:49] <danbeck> wtf?
[16:49] <Cotowar> im a tard
[16:49] <danbeck> I hate to be ugly, but you really are.
[16:49] <bazookatooth> i just accidentally my whole filesystem is this bad?
[16:49] <mahfiaz> danbeck, on 100MHz machine?
[16:49] <danbeck> 14 hours is retarded.
[16:49] <danbeck> oh
[16:49] <danbeck> lol
[16:50] <danbeck> I was thinking you were talking about troubleshooting.
[16:50] <danbeck> why not cross-compile?
[16:50] <theholyduck> bazookatooth, you just accidentally what+
[16:50] <theholyduck> :P
[16:50] <bazookatooth> my whole filesystem
[16:50] <theholyduck> bazookatooth, lalz
[16:50] <danbeck> ?
[16:51] <theholyduck> im guessing somebody is a bit 4chan/xkcd inspired?
[16:51] <theholyduck> i accidentally in your base!
[16:51] <danbeck> xkcd is fucking shit
[16:51] <bazookatooth> ebaumsworld!
[16:51] <theholyduck> danbeck, is not :P
[16:51] <Pici> , Please watch your language in this channel, thank you.
[16:51] <danbeck> seriously, 25% of his stuff is funny.  The other 75% is embarrassingly crap.
[16:51] <bazookatooth> lol
[16:51] <danbeck> LANGUAGE
[16:52] <theholyduck> danbeck, it is?
[16:52] <danbeck> Take danbeck's word.
[16:52] <bazookatooth> doitfgt
[16:52] <danbeck> Everyone around me is like 'omfg, did you see the new xkcd! LOLOLOL'
[16:52] <danbeck> and I have to go "yes, haha, very funny"
[16:52] <danbeck> every day
[16:52] <danbeck> so f' the xkcd fans.
[16:52] <Cotowar> lol
[16:53] <danbeck> I mean, some of it is clever.
[16:53] <danbeck> most of it is not.
[16:53] <bazookatooth> truth is spoken here
[16:53] <bazookatooth> usually the funniest part is the alt text
[16:53] <theholyduck> danbeck, i bet you're one of them people who doesnt think this isnt funny
[16:53] <theholyduck> Or, is the mentality of an average high school girl nowadays just as irregular as the light curve period of Mira A?
[16:53] <danbeck> It's clever, but not funny.
[16:53] <danbeck> Do you see the difference?
[16:53] <danbeck> Can you see the difference?
[16:53] <Pici> This is a support channel, please keep it on topic. Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:53] <theholyduck> clever == FUNNY :P
[16:53] <danbeck> Humour is clever, but humour isn't all ways funny.
[16:54] <theholyduck> Pici, its not like anyone is doing anything topical in here anyway
[16:54] <danbeck> *always
[16:54] <theholyduck> why not just have seome fun?
[16:54] <Cotowar> lol
[16:54] <mahfiaz> hi, what to do with the following: gdesklets: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[16:54] <Pici> theholyduck: The fact remains that this is still a support and discussion channel for Jaunty
[16:54] <theholyduck> mahfiaz, you just HAD to ruin it
[16:54] <theholyduck> didnt you?
[16:54] <mahfiaz> I had this darn problem
[16:54] <danbeck> Can you look at xkcd in using Jaunty?  on topic then!
[16:54] <Cotowar> is it practical to try running ubuntu on a cluster?
[16:55] <Cotowar> just wondering
[16:55] <mahfiaz> Cotowar, what purpose?
[16:55] <danbeck> Why would you do that?
[16:55] <theholyduck> mahfiaz, well it depends on a python UNDER 26
[16:55] <theholyduck> for some reason :P
[16:55] <theholyduck> uninstall gdesklets or hold python
[16:55] <theholyduck> or whatever
[16:55] <danbeck> I mean, the basic answer is always "of course you can run any linux distro on a cluster"
[16:55] <theholyduck> but ubuntu is bloated
[16:55] <Cotowar> ah
[16:56] <Cotowar> thats what i was looking for
[16:56] <danbeck> The real question is 'Why? and Do you have access to the right tools?"
[16:56] <Cotowar> well, at the end of the school year here I'm picking up a crap ton of old computers
[16:56] <theholyduck> Cotowar, old computers are <3
[16:56]  * theholyduck has 17 computers in his house
[16:56] <Cotowar> i was going to scrap the cases and do something like the humidor cluster
[16:57] <Cotowar> if you've seen that
[16:57] <danbeck> To do what with?  Calculate the relative pomposity that each xkcd comic has in relation to it's sibling?
[16:57] <mahfiaz> theholyduck, actually am trying to install gdesklets
[16:57] <Cotowar> lol
[16:57] <theholyduck> mahfiaz, well then you have too new python :P
[16:57] <theholyduck> i dunno why the package needs a old one
[16:57] <Cotowar> nah, i just wanted it, i dont know what im going to do with it yet
[16:57] <mahfiaz> but never mind, thanks for your answers
[16:58] <mahfiaz> tried to check out the eyecandy, but this is not what computers are *useful* for
[16:58] <Cotowar> and wow, i really wish i could listen to sound through my computer... transferring songs to the 'berry so i can play them is ridic...
[16:58]  * theholyduck uses fluxbox anyway
[16:58] <theholyduck> eyecandy is more like eyecancer
[16:58] <charlie-tca> mahfiaz: you should file a bug against it. Python has been upgraded in Jaunty
[16:58] <mahfiaz> theholyduck, not all of gdesklets and compiz if of evil
[16:59] <mahfiaz> *is of
[16:59] <nemo> danbeck: I run a stripped down gentoo for my itsby bitsy cluster :)
[16:59] <theholyduck> mahfiaz, well yes. compiz has 1 good feature
[16:59] <danbeck> Cool
[16:59] <theholyduck> but its not worth having for that
[16:59] <nemo> danbeck: my buddy, who is a bit more hardcore, made his own distro for his workplace's embedded server
[16:59] <mahfiaz> charlie-tca, ok, thanks
[16:59] <danbeck> nemo: wait, I thought ubutu people hated gentoo.
[16:59] <theholyduck> well both are distros with bad packaging
[16:59] <nemo> danbeck: I have no particular distro loyalties - the major ones all have a purpose
[16:59] <theholyduck> and stupid userbases
[16:59] <BUGabundo1> guys need a few tips: gonna setup a virtualbox with ubuntu server over winServer 2k8. anything I should know before hand?
[16:59] <danbeck> You know, some old fashioned souther racist type of hatred and bigotry.
[16:59] <theholyduck> why WOULDNT gentoo and ubuntu be best friends forever?
[17:00] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: You should use the version on Sun server if you need USB
[17:00] <danbeck> lol, well, in most tech circles, using gentoo will get you hated.
[17:00] <Cotowar> BUGabundo1: dont use the OSE version. it sucks, and you can get the closed source version free as well off Virtualbox'es site
[17:00] <nemo> yeah. whatever.
[17:00] <theholyduck> danbeck, well yes
[17:00] <mahfiaz> theholyduck, what feature? there are several features which would be useful for presenters and lecturers
[17:00] <theholyduck> but so will ubuntu
[17:00] <BUGabundo1> thanks charlie-tca Cotowar
[17:00] <theholyduck> mahfiaz, im not one though
[17:00] <nemo> danbeck: while gentoo lost its way recently, the basic concepts are not unreasonable.
[17:01] <nemo> so. I tend to ignore haters :)
[17:01] <theholyduck> danbeck, gentoo users are ricers, ubuntu users are retards, thats basicly how the rest of the world looks at you
[17:01] <theholyduck> true story
[17:01] <nemo> most of 'em are pretty clueless, code wise
[17:01] <danbeck> Why are geeks so bigoted towards each other?   Most of the tech people I know are the biggest flaming liberals, but when it comes down to it, they are juas bigoted as anyone else.
[17:01] <theholyduck> nemo, 1 question though :P
[17:01] <theholyduck> why wouldnt you run lunar+
[17:01] <theholyduck> instead of gentoo?
[17:01] <Pici> !ot
[17:01] <theholyduck> its packagemangaer is less broken :P
[17:01] <nemo> theholyduck: for me, a distro is mostly inertia, userbase, support, etc.
[17:01] <danbeck> theholyduck: I smell a troll. =)    Gentoo is the f'ing best server distro out there.
[17:01] <theholyduck> danbeck, you havent tried maintaining it much have you?
[17:01] <nemo> will continue on pm though, since Pici is getting all miffed
[17:02] <theholyduck> :P
[17:02] <nemo> hm.
[17:02] <nemo> or #ubuntu-offtopic  why not
[17:02] <danbeck> theholyduck, I maintain about 40ish servers.
[17:02] <Cotowar> BUGabundo1, you can use guest additions for auto mouse capture, usb, and other crap, but you can't install from more than 1 CD in my experience
[17:02] <danbeck> And I don't use one of those retarded puppet systems.
[17:02] <admin_masu3701> is there a good reason why i should upgrade to 9.04 at this time?
[17:02] <Pici> admin_masu3701: No.
[17:02] <nemo> theholyduck: or at least I would if you were on there
[17:02] <nemo> since you aren't, I assume you don't care for answer
[17:02] <Pici> admin_masu3701: Wait for it to be released, or afterwards.
[17:02] <theholyduck> nemo, :P
[17:02] <theholyduck> nemo, join #anime. nothings happening there atm
[17:03] <theholyduck> i ned more people to talk to anyway
[17:03] <Cotowar> BUGabundo1, like you can't install an app to the virtual machine that requires more than 1 CD that is
[17:03] <admin_masu3701> Pici: ok..are you using it right now?
[17:03] <theholyduck> #anime is basicly ##linux anyway
[17:03] <BUGabundo1> GUYS THIS # IS TO MUCH CROWED TODAY! CALM DOWN ...
[17:03] <BUGabundo1> thank you
[17:03] <danbeck> theholyduck: what I get with gentoo is not having to screw with some crap binary package system that FORCES me to install a certain version because that's what it was compiled with.  Gentoo lets me install what version I want, with hints as to what minimums are required.
[17:03] <Cotowar> lolz at theholyduck
[17:03] <admin_masu3701> Pici: is there any major changes?
[17:03] <danbeck> I left the RedHat style of package management a long time ago and I'm not in a hurry to run back to it.
[17:03] <theholyduck> Cotowar, its true. :P
[17:04] <Cotowar> i know it is
[17:04] <theholyduck> Cotowar, #mplayer is #anime and #x264 is #touhou
[17:04] <theholyduck> and #anime is ##Linux
[17:04] <Cotowar> oh, how about using acidrip, anyone have experience with that?
[17:04] <danbeck> So, instead of being hamstrung and forced into a crap version of something, I can keep my systems updated enough to install what version I want, not what version a distro forces me to install.
[17:04] <bazookatooth> see? ricer.
[17:04] <bazookatooth> lol jk
[17:04] <theholyduck> danbeck, i use debian then compile from source :P
[17:04] <nemo> theholyduck: oh well. guess you didn't care.  I think I will leave this channel too, to avoid being drawn into the torlling
[17:05] <Pici> admin_masu3701: I am only running jaunty on my laptop, my server is running Intrepid
[17:05] <Cotowar> is there a package manager that can support .rpm and .deb? and what extension does portage run on?
[17:05] <danbeck> theholyduck, then you are one of those people who use a puppet program and don't give a crap what state their systems are in or how well they run.  That, or you only maintain a few systems.
[17:06] <Cotowar> i maintain my 400MHz P2 with Windows XP performance edition
[17:06] <Cotowar> Man I cant wait for windows 7! its going to fix all of windows' problems!
[17:06] <Cotowar> well, after service pack 1 is released...
[17:07] <Cotowar> PS, how might i use a router to get from my laptop to the login screen of a windows computer?
[17:07] <Cotowar> assuming both are my own and i am hard wired on both as well
[17:07] <Cotowar> theres gotta be a way to do it, i know there is...
[17:08] <danbeck> with just a router?
[17:08] <danbeck> Like you are mcguiver?
[17:08] <danbeck> Don't know how you would do that.
[17:08] <danbeck> I mean, unless you were running terminal software.
[17:08] <danbeck> I'm assuming you are wanting to troubleshoot, not setup a system for remote login.
[17:09] <Cotowar> heres the deal really. i dont have a legal copy of XP to format with, and a friend of mine has a computer he forgot the password to.
[17:10] <Pici> Cotowar: There are other solutions for that, please join ##windows and ask there
[17:10] <Cotowar> can jaunty do it though?
[17:10] <Cotowar> :P
[17:10] <danbeck> lol
[17:11] <Cotowar> i was thinking a live CD of jaunty would allow me to mount the C: drive, and then i could delete the password from the administrator account. is that possible though?
[17:12] <danbeck> I think that crap may be stored in the registry.
[17:12] <Cotowar> i know where it is in XP, i just dont know how to get into the system to delete it.
[17:12] <danbeck> ah
[17:13] <BUGabundo1> Cotowar: it is... you just need to know what file to do it
[17:13] <Pici> Mount it like you'd mount any other fileysystem.
[17:13] <BUGabundo1> and to hack hexadecimal in the regedit!
[17:13] <BUGabundo1> Cotowar: but there are already LiveCDs with that
[17:13] <Cotowar> where?
[17:13] <BUGabundo1> and sorry everyone else for going OT
[17:14] <Cotowar> oh, and for all you linux pros out there, how useful would getting an LPI certification be? Like, I did A+ just for giggles, it was a complete joke, and no businesses take it seriously. is it the same with LPI or RHCE?
[17:15] <Pici> Cotowar: Please take this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:15] <Cotowar> okay... i cant think of any sneaky way to get a jaunty reference to that one...
[17:25] <admin_masu3701> Pici: so what is your experience with 9.04 so far? is it better then 8.10?
[17:27] <mahfiaz> admin_masu3701, it has many up-to-date programs, which is a pretty good reason, FOSS programs tend to get better by development
[17:31] <bazookatooth> hey danbeck.. question i had for you the other day
[17:32] <admin_masu3701> mahfiaz: cool..would advise me to upgrade now or wait intil april or later?
[17:32] <danbeck> yeah?
[17:32] <danbeck> the gentoo guru is in
[17:33] <mahfiaz> admin_masu3701, it depends if you can allow some unstability and how painless it is for you to workaround some problems
[17:34] <mahfiaz> if you were a former gentoo guy, I would suggest to jump in rightaway :)
[17:34] <danbeck> lol
[17:35] <admin_masu3701> mahfiaz: i dont mind problems if there are minors.
[17:35] <mahfiaz> then just go for it
[17:36] <mahfiaz> i use it on my primary laptop which I use for work
[17:37] <admin_masu3701> ok
[17:37] <mahfiaz> danbeck, btw I always keep suggesting using gentoo for half a year or so as a well documented learning tool, the handbooks are superiour
[17:38] <danbeck> Cool, I use it for server os only.  I have some work mates who used it for about a year or so back around 2004ish as a desktop, but ended up moving OS X.
[17:38] <danbeck> I prefer ubutu for desktop.
[17:40] <mahfiaz> danbeck, if funds aren't limited then for non-poweruser osx is just as good as ubuntu and in some measurements better
[17:41] <mahfiaz> and of course preferred system over the marketshare-dominant OS :)
[17:41] <danbeck> oh, I prefer OS X.  I tried it on a whim back around 2003-2004 and ended up wholesale converting.
[17:42] <danbeck> IMHO, OS X is far superior than anything windows or any linux distro could produce.
[17:42] <danbeck> I hate windows, but I try not to be a bigot about operating systems.  Each has it's place.
[17:42] <mahfiaz> not "could produce" but "produces now"
[17:42] <danbeck> no
[17:42] <danbeck> I disagree.
[17:43] <mahfiaz> no problem :)
[17:43] <danbeck> The very nature of x11 forbids the sort of tight integration that OS X enjoys.
[17:43] <danbeck> I'm not saying that x11 is bad, just different.
[17:44] <danbeck> Both are hammers, but one is small and light and is made for fine nails in hand crafted pieces
[17:44] <mahfiaz> the last time I touched a macbook, I found that the finder was quite dumb and powerless
[17:44] <danbeck> The other is rough, solid and does a good job.
[17:44] <crdlb> X will eventually get to where it needs to be
[17:44] <mahfiaz> and did behave different than I was expecting
[17:44] <danbeck> it's /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app
[17:45] <danbeck> The console is where you do powerful filesystem work, not finder.
[17:45] <danbeck> Finder is for picking files and doing desktop crap.  It's lacking for a reason.
[17:45] <mahfiaz> what you need osx for then?
[17:45] <danbeck> If you want superduper powa, thigns like Pathfinder for.
[17:46] <danbeck> gah
[17:46] <danbeck> things like Pathfinder are for when you need a powerful file manager
[17:46] <danbeck> mahfiaz: to run gui apps
[17:46] <danbeck> of course.
[17:47] <danbeck> Your question implies,  "why is osx better than x11?"
[17:47] <mahfiaz> let's ask it so
[17:48] <danbeck> Tight hardware and application integration, beautiful and functional UI, amazing developer and application support.
[17:49] <danbeck> After doing some development work in Cocoa, I have no desire to putz with GTK, .net or anything else.
[17:50]  * crdlb wonders if danbeck has said a single on-topic thing in this channel
[17:50] <danbeck> no
[17:50] <danbeck> I haven't.
[17:50] <mahfiaz> this tight hardware integration is easy to achieve with statement like "linux is for T40 computers only" and achieve good drivers support for it
[17:50] <danbeck> sure
[17:50] <danbeck> it is what it is
[17:50] <danbeck> I'm not saying linux is crap.  WIthout linux, I wouldn't be able to do the things I do. I love linux.
[17:51] <danbeck> But I'm not some blind bigot who thinks linux is the only tool for every job.
[17:51] <danbeck> (not that you do either)
[17:51] <danbeck> just making a generalization.
[17:51] <mahfiaz> crdlb, it is educational discussion on linux future in wild market on different operating systems from the point of view of OSX user
[17:52] <crdlb> need I remind you that this isn't really a discussion channel?
[17:52] <danbeck> in any case, I'm not so naive to think that "linux desktop" sucks. It is what it is.  It would be an amazing project if a team of people working for free could produce the same level of quality that a focused team of highly paid, highly motivated, intelligent people could produce.
[17:52] <crdlb> admittedly, this channel strays a lot, but this is ridiculous
[17:52] <danbeck> But, success is hard.  That's why there are rows of books about being successful at the bookstore.
[17:52] <danbeck> lol
[17:52] <danbeck> on topic: I'm getting a dell mini 9 in a few weeks.  It's going to have 8.04 on it.
[17:53] <danbeck> Think 9 will be ready enough to install and use for real?
[17:53] <mahfiaz> :)
[17:53] <danbeck> either way, 8.04 will not stay on that thing
[17:53] <danbeck> it's getting upgraded to something, come hell or highwater.
[17:54] <d1g1t> 9.04 would be more on-topic o.o
[17:54] <danbeck> yeah, 9.04 is what I mean.
[17:55] <mahfiaz> crdlb, btw have you read the channel topic?
[17:55] <charlie-tca> !topic
[17:56] <danbeck> hmm, the topic says it's a "DISCUSSION CHANNEL"
[17:56] <crdlb> mahfiaz: ok, it's not discussion in that sense :)
[17:56] <danbeck> what does that mean?
[17:56] <danbeck> lol
[17:56] <danbeck> heh
[17:56] <charlie-tca> mahfiaz: pretty much says this channel is for Jaunty Jackalope
[17:57] <charlie-tca> not "whatever I feel like"
[17:57] <charlie-tca> danbeck: all of it
[17:57] <mahfiaz> isn't Jaunty Jackalope the current future of of Ubuntu and linux in general?
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Jaunty Jackalope (alpha) discussion channel
[17:58] <danbeck> yes, all distros will merge into Jaunty
[17:58] <charlie-tca> I highly doubt that
[17:59] <ikonia> jaunty is ubuntu's next release - nothing more
[18:00] <mahfiaz> ikonia, :)
[18:01] <mahfiaz> sure this isn't sid, the future forever :)
[18:01] <BUGabundo> ikonia: actually Koala is the next release!!! LOL
[18:02] <ikonia> no, jaunty is the next release
[18:02] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[18:02] <BUGabundo> not for me
[18:02] <BUGabundo> I'm already using jj
[18:02] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[18:02] <ikonia> jaunty is the next ubuntu release.
[18:02] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[18:02]  * BUGabundo ikonia is a broken disk
[18:02] <mahfiaz> finally we got on the right track of ubuntu+1 discussion
[18:06] <BUGabundo> [OT] installed #ubuntuserver on #VirtualBox but ended up with English Keyboard! need to change it. HOW?
[18:08] <Pici> BUGabundo: ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
[18:08] <BUGabundo> I did
[18:09] <BUGabundo> but you guys are my buddies!
[18:09] <BUGabundo> eheh
[18:10] <ikonia> BUGabundo: need to follow the topic please.
[18:10] <BUGabundo> ok ok
[18:10] <BUGabundo> sorry guys!
[18:11]  * BUGabundo tuff crowd today... xeee
[18:11] <mahfiaz> ikonia, what is wrong in asking about keyboard setup?
[18:11] <BUGabundo> mahfiaz: its for 8.10 server
[18:11] <BUGabundo> eheh
[18:11] <BUGabundo> too much offtopic for this #
[18:11] <BUGabundo> I would do/kick the same!
[18:12] <BUGabundo> if it was somebody else
[18:12] <ikonia> ok - so lets not discuss it and return to the topic in hand
[18:12] <mahfiaz> BUGabundo, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml?style=printable
[18:13] <ikonia> mahfiaz: !!!!
[18:13] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[18:13] <ikonia> mahfiaz: did you not just read what I said ?
[18:13] <BUGabundo> ikonia: calm down!
[18:13] <BUGabundo> bad ikonia
[18:14] <ikonia> msg BUGabundo I'm really sorry to have to mute you
[18:15] <mahfiaz> but the question and the right answer would have been very same whatever version of ubuntu he used
[18:15]  * mahfiaz is astonished a litte
[18:16] <Alexia_Death> whats the point of giving the boot to people for sightly related chat even when there is no more on topic chat going on?
[18:17] <ikonia> gents - the topic of this channel is jaunty - thats the topic - thats it
[18:17] <ikonia> if you want to ask off topic questions there are more appropriate channels to do so in
[18:17] <Pici> Because people look here for problems and/or activity for Jaunty, not anything else.  We have channels for the other things.
[18:17] <Alexia_Death> whatever
[18:17] <Alexia_Death> If you wanna be anal about the rules, your right.
[18:18] <ikonia> Alexia_Death: if you want to just respect the rules - he's right
[18:19]  * BUGabundo I'm out!
[18:20] <ikonia> BUGabundo: ok
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Seems like over an hour off topic should have been sufficient for everyone
[18:23] <maco> BUGabundo: you could've just lied and said it was 9.04 server
[18:23] <maco> not like the answer would've been any different
[18:23] <ikonia> maco: or just respected the rules
[18:24] <maco> ikonia: it could have been useful info for someone using 9.04 server anyway
[18:24]  * BUGabundo out for good... stupid command
[18:24] <ikonia> BUGabundo: and your still here.......
[18:24] <ikonia> maco: it would be a great disscussion to have on 9.04 - go for it
[18:26] <mahfiaz> I think he should have rephrased it as "I am using ubuntu server 8.10, but am wondering if upgrading to 9.04 would fix my wrong keymap problem"
[18:26] <maco> haha
[18:27] <maco> ikonia: whatever. i dont even fit in this channel anyway because i use *gasp* kubuntu+1
[18:27] <maco> for some reason there's no channel for kde jaunty users though
[18:27] <ikonia> maco: kubuntu is fine
[18:27] <ikonia> kubuntu 9.04
[18:27] <ikonia> 9.04 in general is fine
[18:27]  * Awsoonn agrees with ikonia 
[18:28] <LjL> maco: actually #ubuntu supports Kubuntu too, there's just no particular need to have a Kubuntu-specific +1 channel since it's not all *that* busy
[18:29] <maco> LjL: in #ubuntu you're told to go to #kubuntu because nobody there uses kde
[18:29] <ikonia> maco: no no, you're not
[18:29] <LjL> maco: that's not true, i've helped KDE users in several circumstances
[18:30] <ikonia> maco: tons of kubuntu chat in there, it is a bit sproadic though
[18:30] <maco> when did that start happening? O_o
[18:30] <LjL> maco: i do, of course, hint that #kubuntu might more readily have a solution to their problem
[18:30] <LjL> maco: since i've been around. 2005.
[18:30] <maco> #kubuntu is very often off topic. unless bazhang shows up. he doesn't allow OT chat.
[18:30] <LjL> and rightly so
[18:30] <maco> it, like this one, isnt busy
[18:31] <maco> #ubuntu is insanely busy, so it makes sense to knuckle down on OT chat
[18:31] <maco> but if there aren't any support requests anyway, what's it hurt?
[18:31] <LjL> maco: it's busier than this one, and it used to be busier. you probably do realize that offtopic chatter does eventually make a channel less busy with proper support issues, because people will just see "it's not about support" and leave.
[18:31] <LjL> so, for that very reason......
[18:32] <maco> i would look and go "oh, good, there are people who aren't AFK"
[18:32] <maco> silent channels w/ naught but parts and joins look like ghost towns of AFK people who cant help because they're AFK
[18:33] <Pici> I for one look for activity in #u+1 and #k seeking support requests, if theres activity there I expect it to be support related.
[18:33] <maco> ex: i used to set my client to auto-join #ubuntu-women. after a couple weeks of seeing no talking whatsoever, i left. a year later, i checked in there and *gasp* people talk now. so now i auto-join again.
[18:37] <DrHalan> hey, when e.g. evolution tries to access the keyring i just get a windows "allow access to keyring?" that doesn't explicitly state what app does this...
[18:39] <maco> thats different...
[18:39] <maco> the small explanation text went away?
[18:41] <mahfiaz> DrHalan, file it as a bug, this is a regression for sure
[18:42] <admin_masu3701> how long does it take to upgrade to 9.04 from 8.10??
[18:43] <unixdawg> 2 weeks
[18:43] <unixdawg> 20 min if you reinstall with a iso
[18:44] <Pici> admin_masu3701: Depends on how long the download takes and how many packages you have installed
[18:50] <admin_masu3701> pici: ok..cause it movin slow..sayin 5 hours
[18:51] <untiled> hi all, i have to install "python-gpod" but i return me with error dependenced. it told me that i have to install python 2.6 but it is installed on my system. python-gpod isn't ported to jaunty or there's an inssue wich can I fix?
[18:52] <mahfiaz> untiled, report a bug about it
[18:52] <untiled> mahfiaz, how?
[18:53] <mahfiaz> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty
[18:54] <mahfiaz> if you desperately need it, then you could try downloading it and forcing dpkg to ignore dependencies (it may work or not)
[18:56] <crdlb> it's safe to say that would not work
[18:57] <Alastair_> admin_masu3701, you should've gone with the clean install
[18:57] <Alastair_> from an usb stick on my system jaunty installs at around 5 minutes
[18:58] <mahfiaz> Alastair, wow :)
[18:58] <DrHalan> is anybody here using evolution-rss? If i want to install it it removes the evolution packages?
[18:59] <Alastair_> yeah, i totally threw the dvd on the shelve ...
[19:00] <Alastair_> memory sticks are dirt-cheap nowadays, and it's perfect if you reinstall different distros or test daily builds frequently
[19:07] <eternal_p> afternoon all...I just noticed I am not getting any notification for any system updates...is that normal?
[19:09] <mahfiaz> eternal_p, there have been updates today
[19:09] <eternal_p> mahfiaz: I've noticed this since day one of my alpha 5 install...update manager doens't notify me of updates
[19:10] <Alastair_> me neither, it just pops up after a bunch of updates accumulate
[19:11] <tommi__> Hi there all... I upgraded kubuntu jaunty today and the package kdeplasma-addons was removed as its "main" dependancy the kdeplasma-addons-data package was upgraded to version 4:4.2.1-0ubuntu1. Now i have a version mismatch and NO plasmoids (that are not compiled) as the kdeplasma-addons package is version 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu3. Should i report this as a bug? Or has the package upgrade been kept back for a reason? Thanks in advance.
[19:11] <mahfiaz> eternal_p, check if you have update notifier launching enabled in sessions (now renamed to startup)
[19:11] <mahfiaz> tommi, either way report it
[19:12] <eternal_p> mahfiaz: sure do
[19:12] <tommi__> Yeah... no probs. Has anyone else got the same problem?
[19:14] <mahfiaz> there are a lot of dependency problems and version mismatchings, and it seems to be appropriate time to figure these out before the end of april
[19:15] <tommi__> Agreed ;) I will file a bug report asap.
[19:17] <mahfiaz> and as always, the more information you can provide, the better
[19:17] <tommi__> ahhhh
[19:18] <tommi__> I have just found the problem. They have "failed to build" an amd64 version https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kdeplasma-addons/4:4.2.1-0ubuntu1.
[19:19] <tommi__> should i still file a bug report?
[19:20] <hanasaki1> what would cause the gnome system/logout menu item to be removed?  hibernate/suspend are also gone now
[19:21] <mahfiaz> tommi, not sure. If you are adventurous you could try finding out why the build failed
[19:22] <mahfiaz> hanasaki1, this is design change
[19:23] <mahfiaz> hanasaki1, now we have almighty "switching between users" applet
[19:24] <tommi__> On a closer look it looks like it hasn't been built yet. The build eta is 6 hours so hopefully it will be fixed in the morning ;) Thanks for your time anyway!
[19:25] <mahfiaz> tommi no problem, you are welcome
[19:52] <Ienorand> OK, definitley loathing update popup windows, can't believe this is actually going through...
[19:56] <maco> Ienorand: notify-osd is removable
[19:56] <maco> Ienorand: you should also be able to tell the apps not to send notifications
[19:57] <Ienorand> maco: was referring to update managers unfocused popup...
[19:57] <maco> OH
[19:58] <maco> yeah, i think that was a stupid decision
[20:04] <eternal_p> does anyone know how to correct the password prompt for your keyring if you auto-login (on Jaunty)?
[20:05] <daftykins> what's that? update manager pops 'under' ?
[20:05] <hanasaki1> mahfiaz:  design change?  so in juanty it is removed and on purpse? or moved to where?
[20:06] <hanasaki1> mahfiaz:  i liked the button where it was :)
[20:08] <Ienorand> daftykins: Istead of using the notification icon update-manager now opens an unfocused window whenever there are updates, and if you happen to close it there are no further notifications until restart, from what I've gathered
[20:09] <mahfiaz> hanasaki1, as I said the user switcher panel applet has become more powerful and is preferred choice now for the same task
[20:09] <mahfiaz> I myself almost never used the logout/shutdown items in this menu, but these did no harm neither
[20:10] <hanasaki1> thanks
[20:10] <SimonKitching> Hi! A Jaunty update has broken wireless for me. I'm running jaunty and yesterday did an update. I am now unable to connect to any wireless network that needs authentication. Updating just now using fixed-line didn't fit it. After rebooting into ubuntu 8.10 wireless works fine. Can someone suggest where best to report this? I've checked launchpad and can't find anything that looks similar..
[20:11] <eternal_p> SimonKitching: I've seen a post or two on ubuntuforums, I'd check there
[20:12] <Awsoonn> hi all, I just up'ed to Jaunty and while flash-nonfree is installed firefox cannot seem to recognize this fact. Any clues?
[20:12] <daftykins> Ienorand, thanks, and ugh that's horrible
[20:14] <mahfiaz> Awsoonn, I would start by moving .firefox settings to a backup location to see if this is the case
[20:14] <Awsoonn> 10-4
[20:17] <unixdawg> whats up with firefox crashing and locking up the system
[20:18] <unixdawg> this has to be fixed
[20:18] <daftykins> lol
[20:18] <daftykins> might not be so for everyone?
[20:18] <Awsoonn> firefox isn't crashing on my end unixdawg
[20:19] <unixdawg> is here I m on a brandnew system
[20:19] <unixdawg> and its has been crashing forthe last 2 weeks anthen it locks up the system
[20:19] <unixdawg> and I have to hard reboot
[20:19] <unixdawg> I am on a quadcore
[20:19] <SimonKitching> eternal_p: yep, forum posts exist and point to bug#336915. Thanks (forum search tools seem much better than the launchpad ones...)
[20:20] <unixdawg> with 6 gigs of ram
[20:20] <daftykins> putting an alpha OS on a new computer is not the most intelligent idea
[20:20] <unixdawg> i thought it was beta now days
[20:20] <Awsoonn> stil alpha
[20:20] <Infecto> daftykins: ke? whats the problem? i have core 2 with 4g ram
[20:21] <Infecto> is it old enaught?
[20:21] <Infecto> daftykins: strange thinking.
[20:21] <Infecto> maybe i should test it on my old 386?
[20:22] <Ienorand> Anyone know how to revert update-manager to old behaviour, with icon?
[20:23] <daftykins> nope perfectly logical thinking actually
[20:23] <daftykins> you'd have to use a reliable OS for a while to be sure a new comp is stable before running alpha kit ;)
[20:23] <daftykins> (i'm more thinking of custom builds)
[20:23] <Awsoonn> unixdawg: launch firefox from the terminal and see if t igve you any usefull errors when it dies, if it crashes and you can't see teh log out put pipe it to a file with >log.txt
[20:23] <Ienorand> And to get the restart icon back as well?
[20:24] <unixdawg> it ran bsd for 2 weeks for burn in with no issues
[20:24] <unixdawg> will do
[20:24] <Ienorand> ( "restart needed" notification icon that is)
[20:25] <mahfiaz> Ienorand, this restart icon a a little misleading, i think
[20:25] <mahfiaz> Ienorand, the only thing you shouldn't to because of the new kernel installed, is hibernate to disk
[20:28] <unixdawg> will have to do tomorrow this day is over going home.
[20:29] <Awsoonn> mahfiaz: Just as an FYI, I had to uninstall flashplugin-nonfree with apt-get and then allow firefox to install the plugin by going to pandora.com and letting magic happen. using synaptic to reinsall teh package did nothing useful :)
[20:29] <Ienorand> mahfiaz: huh? you saying "restart needed" doesn't actually mean that you need to reboot?
[20:30] <Awsoonn> Restart required tends to mean reboot sugrested.
[20:30] <Awsoonn> IMHO
[20:30] <Awsoonn> if you update your kernel, you will continue to run fine, but the new kernel will not be used untill you reboot
[20:31] <Awsoonn> I frequently ignore the 'reboot required' notification for weeks with no sideeffects
[20:32] <Veinor> Awsoonn: same here
[20:32] <Veinor> just like how I don't quit my antivirus programs when i install windows software.
[20:32] <Veinor> i live life on the edge >:D
[20:32] <Awsoonn> ^_^
[20:32] <Awsoonn> Are there any successes with ext4 in the house?
[20:32] <timboy> how do i upgrade to jaunty from the alpha 5 cd?
[20:33] <Ienorand> Sure, I get your point.  My question is, how do I get the restart notification icon back? Since even though it may not be necessary, I would guess it does change things after a reboot...
[20:33] <Ienorand> timboy: jaunty alpha 5?
[20:33] <Awsoonn> get the icon back? what do you mean?
[20:34] <timboy> Ienorand, I have a 9.04 disk. can I upgrade to it from the disk?
[20:34] <Ienorand> Awsoonn: They have removed the "restart required/suggested icon" from the notification panel, how do I get it back?
[20:35] <Ienorand> timboy: so you're running ibex at the moment?
[20:35] <timboy> yes......
[20:35] <Ienorand> timboy: no internet access?
[20:35] <timboy> gay. I'll figure it out myself
[20:36] <Awsoonn> by 'removed' you mean there was a package dedicated to it? I'm really not sure there, It may be built into the new notification dbus deamon...
[20:36] <Ienorand> ...okay
[20:36] <Awsoonn> oh well, he'll figure t out ^^
[20:36] <Awsoonn> i've never up'ed via cd before...
[20:37] <Ienorand> Awsoonn: possibly integrated into update-man, since it's u-m that supplies the icon... I guess?
[20:38] <Awsoonn> maybe... I'm trying to find the right person (TM) to poke on this one
[20:38] <Awsoonn> where did you see it waqs removed?
[20:40] <aboSamoor1> I upgraded my system and I noticed that there is a new kernel. How can I know about the change log of this update ?
[20:40] <Awsoonn> aboSamoor1: oh boy, you're gonna hava a lot of reading ^_^
[20:41] <Awsoonn> aboSamoor1: I'll find you a link here in a sec k?
[20:41] <Ienorand> Awsoon: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027489.html
[20:42] <Ienorand> Awsoonn: Fortunately there is a heated debate on this subject in u-devel
[20:43] <Awsoonn> aboSamoor1: http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
[20:43] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: thanks
[20:44] <Awsoonn> that is a highlevel overview, if you want more there is a file in teh linux source itself with more details on every change
[20:44] <Awsoonn> you can also look at the git commit log for the kernel and really blow your mind ^_^
[20:45] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: I am asking about the ubuntu specific patches I am using 2.6.28-8 and I am still but I updated it today ? so I want to know what is going on in ubuntu kernel
[20:46] <Pici> aboSamoor1: Use launchpad or apt-listchanges to look at package changelogs.
[20:46] <Awsoonn> aha ha, in that case jump onto launchpad and take apeek at the changelog there fo ubuntu specific changes, I'll toss you a link in a sec if you dont find it
[20:46] <Pici> !info apt-listchanges
[20:46]  * Pici pokes ubottu 
[20:47] <Awsoonn> ubottu is taking a nap apperntly
[20:47] <Awsoonn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/linux-meta/2.6.28.8.8
[20:48] <aboSamoor1> Pici: can you help me to where I should look in launchpad ?
[20:48] <Awsoonn> aboSamoor1: the link i just posted there is all yours
[20:49] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: yes, I just sent it before I see
[20:50] <Pici> aboSamoor1: The apt-listchanges packages will prompt you with the changelogs before you can install the packages when you do your upgrades.
[20:51] <Awsoonn> aboSamoor1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/linux/2.6.28-8.27
[20:52] <Awsoonn> the link i gave you before was a meta package, my mistake, this is the accuall kernel source package, sorry
[20:57] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: Pici: The idea that I have this bug 278648, I upgraded to 9.04 to help in testing. And I want to test any changes regarding my bug.
[20:59] <Awsoonn> and I assume that it is sitll not workgin for you huh?
[21:00] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: yes, it is not working. I am not sure if I have misconfiguration.
[21:01] <aboSamoor1> Please, if you have any tools to test audio system Input/Output suggest them
[21:01] <Awsoonn> while I do not know the specifics, I know know that ther is an unsupported vanilla kernel package that you can try out. It contains no ubuntu sauce and that would be helpfull to know if your problem is in one of the patches made by ubuntu devs or upstream.
[21:03] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: I think it is general problem and not ubuntu specific. I could not find any solution in the web
[21:03] <Awsoonn> only one way to be sure. :)
[21:08] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: I am sorry for disturbance I make, but I am not sure which package the vanilla one in synaptic ?
[21:08] <Awsoonn> I will take a look
[21:12] <aboSamoor1> Can linux-backports-modules-2.6.28-8-generic package help in audio problems ?
[21:12] <Awsoonn> on jaunty?
[21:13] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: yes, this package is already in synaptic
[21:13] <Awsoonn> I think not, but it's worth a shot I suppose
[21:14] <Ienorand> Just posted idea whining about new update-manager behaviour on brainstorm, let's see what general response is (if moderators let it through that is...)
[21:14] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: I thought that the backport package is available after the release ! Why it is not integrated directly with the kernel !
[21:16] <Awsoonn> that is why I think it won't make much change.. :) I'm no kernel-guru for sure so i have not the all the anwsers
[21:17] <Awsoonn> aboSamoor1: the vanilla kernels are not in synaptec I found out
[21:17] <Awsoonn> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[21:18] <Awsoonn> they are located in the kernel-ppa
[21:18] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: The backport package contains only wireless drivers ;)
[21:18] <Awsoonn> did it mention what ones?
[21:18] <Awsoonn> link me please, I'm always fighting wireless drivers with ppl ^^
[21:19]  * Awsoonn grabs his battle axe
[21:22] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: I just looked at the installed files in the package
[21:24] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: I usually prefer to compile the latest version of wireless drivers
[21:28] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: I am not sure how can I add the link send it to me to synaptic, usually I add a specific line [apt line] from a special launchpad page
[21:29] <Awsoonn> What are you having problems with?
[21:30] <Awsoonn> I didn't understand your question, sorry
[21:31] <Awsoonn> is there a wiki page for converting to ext4?
[21:31] <aboSamoor1> I am talking about the apt sources.list entries like these ones here :). https://edge.launchpad.net/~banshee-team/+archive/ppa
[21:31] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: I don't know what to do with the link you give me
[21:31] <Awsoonn> ah
[21:32] <Awsoonn> you could just download the .deb for teh kernel you want to install and install that manually by double clicking it
[21:32] <Awsoonn> or, you can indeed ad it as a ppa, jsut a sec, incomming info~
[21:36] <Awsoonn> I think i understand how to add it to sources.list but I'm not 100%
[21:36] <Awsoonn> this is a new deal so it probalby hasnt got al the documentation written yet for settign up as a ppa, I recomend just downloading the .db file for the kernel you wish to run and instal that way
[21:36] <aboSamoor1> I think just replacing the URL is not enough because PPA has a structure of files dists, pools,
[21:37] <aboSamoor1> thought I am not sure
[21:37] <Awsoonn> right, and well, that doesn't follow that format at all...
[21:40] <Awsoonn> aboSamoor1: sorry to be not much help, I am on my way home now, I hope you have some success! and if you do, please add a wiki page for future referance  :)
[21:41] <aboSamoor1> Awsoonn: Thanks for help. I hope I will
[22:35] <davismj> so i just installed alpha 5 and my network manager does not work at all. it will attempt to connect but give up with a "network disconnected" notification, with both wired and wireless
[22:37] <danbhfive> anyone know how to collect error messages when the harddrive is locked up?
[22:37] <danbhfive> or, when you know when the harddrive is going to lock up?
[22:48] <Daviey> Has anyone tried adding a new printer on a fresh install?
[22:50] <davismj> so i just installed alpha 5 and my network manager does not work at all. it will attempt to connect but give up with a "network disconnected" notification, with both wired and wireless
[22:56] <aboSamoor1> davismj: can you please use the log file viewer
[22:57] <aboSamoor1> davismj: to monitor the process for connecting, this will help to know the reason :)
[22:57] <davismj> can't
[22:58] <davismj> can't get on the internet...
[22:58] <davismj> have to get on a different computer
[23:04] <OzFalcon> Hi all
[23:05] <OzFalcon> Anyone running with hp2133 netbook here?
[23:07] <matt___> Hi, anyone getting hight cpu usage on xorg using alpha 5?
[23:07] <OzFalcon> no
[23:07] <fosco_> no
[23:09] <OzFalcon> Anyone getting network instability? ie system crash when connecting, enabling/disabling wired/wireless networking? But only intermitant - But frequent.
[23:10] <OzFalcon> Or is it possible I have mangled some sort of routing table? ie It first started exhibiting this behaviour when I miss configured a router to a duplicate IP on my network.....
[23:17] <OzFalcon> Jaunty looks good
[23:17] <matt___> JUuuuuu
[23:17] <OzFalcon> Rephrase that..... Jaunty looks slick.
[23:17] <davismj> except it pwnt my network interface
[23:18] <OzFalcon> Well. Yeah - Im currently have SERIOUS network stability problems.
[23:19] <davismj> yea
[23:19] <davismj> this is my cue to try open solaris again, since i broke my linux
[23:20] <matt___> anyone getting coruption on the screen?
[23:20] <davismj> i mean i acknowledge its my fault, but i can't even use it without network interface, so i'm gunna have to reinstall or something
[23:20] <davismj> not i
[23:20] <OzFalcon> 1st I'll run force a disk check  and delete/ create all net connetctions/interfaces.(Hard crashes when do network stuff makes me concerned config is corrupted somehow)
[23:21] <OzFalcon> Whats wrong with your network?
[23:28] <OzFalcon> Have there been any changes to power management?
[23:51] <OzFalcon> How can I check system integrity (os files etc)
[23:52] <OzFalcon> I want to find out if any of the system files are corrupt. (fsck already done)
[23:59] <helo> i can detect this bluetooth mouse withthe bluetooth applet just fine, but the mouse is non-functional...