[00:00] i want to updgrade from 8.10 to 9.04. do anybody think it a bad idea at this point? [00:02] admin_masu3701, as long as you're prepared for breakage [00:02] * cwillu hears a 15 minute echo :p [00:03] admin_masu3701, it works right now, but you never really know till hits beta [00:03] admin_masu3701, er, know for sure [00:11] anyone know how to recover a system with a livecd and a chroot? I've done some mounting, and I chrooted, but no net connection within the chroot.. [00:12] recover what? [00:12] cwillu: well, jaunty stopped working for me yesterday. I'm hoping to update it [00:12] stopped working in what way? [00:13] gotta be specific :) [00:13] do you still get grub? [00:13] well, after I log in, network-manager, as usual, tries to connect to the net [00:14] try booting up with an older kernel (one or two back from the last in grub) [00:14] then, harddrive errors start getting thrown, and wifi card errors start getting thrown. So, I get stuck. Can't run any commands anymore [00:14] admin_masu3701, ^^^ the sort of thing you can expect, and should be comfortable dealing with [00:14] I only have the one [00:15] harddrive errors? that doesn't sound like a jaunty problem [00:15] is it a fresh install then? [00:15] no, since like alpha3 [00:15] and you only have one kernel installed? [00:16] (we offer to uninstall old kernels now, but that will still leave the previous version installed) [00:19] i'm looking for something with GUI that does what services do in widows.. especially enable/disable at startup [00:19] blasted nvidia drivers!?!?! [00:20] chronic: like system -> admin -> services ? [00:20] on kde [00:21] hrm, i'm not too hip to kde unfortunately [00:24] system monitor does most of the job. but it has no enable/disable options [00:24] if i upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 will i be able to get a new copy in april when the final one is out? [00:26] xorg uses 80MB and 30-70% of my cpu, what up with that? [00:27] anyone know where to find chatter about hte new evolution-mapi plugin? It freezes for me when trying to connect to an exchange 2003 server [00:30] what's nepomuk for? [00:35] burner, try #evolution-mapi or #evolution on gimpnet [00:36] gracias hggdh [00:36] de nada, burner [01:13] anyone notice firefox is a cpu hog? === elpargo__ is now known as elpargo [01:20] FFForever, probably it crashed [01:20] it didn't crash it just uses 40% of my cpu =\ [01:21] FFForever: in a general sense it's a ram hog, cpu hog when visiting poorly designed flash based sites [01:21] i don't see flash sites thankfully =) [01:21] FFForever, yeah im sure it crashed in some way, only uses 1% on my pc [01:21] some reason when i go 2 a flash site the flash does not exit when i leave and i have 2 kill firefox to get it down from 100% [01:22] update the flash and firefox , maybe? [01:24] FFForever, how much cpu and ram ur xorg uses? [01:25] 6% and 1.9% [01:25] thats the average [01:25] how does one configure screensavers in xubuntu jaunty? [01:26] chronic, but it might be higher since i am using the nvidia drivers with ignore ABI [01:26] FFForever, my xorg uses up to 70% cpu, 80MB [01:26] * DanaG wonders when ATI will put out a new fglrx. [01:26] =\ [01:27] FFForever, using fglrx. lulz [01:27] My main gripe with the ATI open-source driver: sucks power like crazy. [01:28] DanaG: April 22 [01:28] i guess u r on a laptop [01:28] Yup. Is that 22nd a definitive date? [01:28] Or just a SWAG? [01:28] sillly wild ... guess. [01:28] What is the command to enable CTRL-ALT-BKSP? [01:28] I cant get to a browser right now [01:28] and my X is broken [01:29] DanaG: jaunty release date - 1 :) [01:29] I wish they'd gone with the SuSE solution: reset Xorg is ctrl-alt-backspace-backspace. [01:29] nilson: dontsnap --disable [01:29] nilson_, restore the previous xorg.conf, id u changed something, there is a backup [01:29] *disable [01:29] dontzap [01:29] I didn't change anything; a game crashed. [01:29] dontsnap lol [01:30] fglrx doesn't work for me even on intrepid. :{ [01:30] DanaG, what video chipset? [01:30] Mobility HD3650. [01:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 [01:31] Launchpad bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:32] DanaG, why don't u try installing from the repos? [01:32] I did, with that. [01:33] 8.543... worked. 8.552.. panic. 8.563... panic. 8.570... panic. 8.578 or whatever it was... panic. [01:34] 8.765 will be the ticket [01:34] DanaG, reinstall it from the repo, then reboot in "safe mode" and select the fix X problems, then continue normal boot, might help [01:34] Hmm, I'm just plain on Jaunty now, so I'll just live with it. [01:34] hey there, experiencing problems with the gnome application launcher (alt+F2 by default) and compiz [01:34] it doesn't launch up [01:35] I just wish the OSS drivers didn't suck so much power. [01:36] DanaG, well , i think we are looking at 10 more years before the video drivers become fully functional... [01:36] and gnome-menu is weird [01:37] items in it disappear from time to time [01:37] power management for me is higher priority than 3D support, actually. [01:38] DanaG, have u tried different distros? [01:38] anyone? [01:40] quentin, no man, linux is full of weird things [01:40] !bug | quentin [01:40] quentin: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [01:40] ot things that just don't work properly [01:40] chronic: no, linux is not. It's just in dev [01:41] thanks rww [01:42] linux never leaves beta, because something is always broken, haha [01:43] chronic: the discussion channel for an unreleased, in-development edition of Ubuntu seems a strange place to assert that, considering that the software in question here is *expected* to be broken. [01:43] chronic: but then, trolling in #ubuntu gets you kicked, I guess. [01:44] what r u talking about? [02:03] This is purely a question of curiosity, no complaining (yes, I know it is alpha software). I updated my Dell laptop to Jaunty. It has the Intel 945 chipset for video. I noticed Compiz no longer works. This has not been an issue on my desktop PC with nVidia card. Curious if anyone knew the issue here. Thanks. [02:04] hansin: pastebin the output of 'compiz --replace' [02:08] that just hosed my window decorations (in Gnome) and locked things up. I am writing logged in from a text console. I'll keep trying. [02:10] ok, then pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log [02:10] ok. [02:10] exit [02:16] here is my pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m7b849e3f [02:19] meh freenode, stop lagging [02:20] hansin: looks ok, so I'm not sure what's wrongt [02:21] it's probably a driver/X problem though [02:21] I'll just keep updating and see what changes. I know this is alpha stuff. I'll try and see if a bug report has been submitted. Thanks for taking a look. [03:01] hmm my panel got big after the last update-- is 35 pixels the new minimum? [03:08] hmm removing the window list lets me reduce it to 29px [03:11] random: have you ever seen anything quite as ugly as.... this? http://www.winsupersite.com/alt/safari4.asp [03:18] hello, if I am just a regular user, yet a curious one, it is recommendable to uprgrade to 9.04? [03:18] loveissuicide: no! read the topic. [03:19] cdm 10: ok [03:19] * DanaG wonders if there'll be a ppa for plymouth+kms kernel before jaunty+1. [03:20] I tried the plymouth ppa... did nothing but give blank screen. [03:34] Question, I am logged in using vncviewer into my sister's computer who recently tried to upgrade from Intrepid to Jaunty -- and the screen does not update on vncviewer. I can see the screen state when I first connect, but I cannot see any changes. Like if she moves a window, I do not see it move. I just see the frozen screen. However, I CAN see the mouse cursor move. [03:37] I am logged in with vncviewer however the screen does not refresh. Can anyone tell me why this is? [03:42] does anyone have jaunty running on an eeepc? is there an lpia port of jaunty? [03:45] ....Just had a glitch in the update process....have a way to send a screenshot? [03:49] lamalex: i'm running jaunty right now on a eeePC 1000H - nice :) [03:53] Ok.....this is a bit odd....anyone know how to get the upgrade to complete? [03:53] http://show.simpload.com/index.php?filename=030449af4cb91b0e0.upgrade_Badness [03:54] yofel_: is that atom or celeron [03:54] atom [03:54] running standard x86, or is there an lpia port [03:55] ...i guess I should have picked a faster site to upload that screenshot to. [03:55] yofel_: ^^ [03:55] i'm running the standard x86 version [03:56] ah ok [03:56] i was hoping for an lpia port for the power savings and minor speed boost [03:58] oh snap [03:58] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/8.10/release/ [03:58] there is [04:01] Ok, the upgrade is asking me to click "OK" in terminal. [04:02] ....But I cant interact with it. =/ Am I screwed? [04:02] Also, in the terminal that spawned the upgrade: [04:02] maxride@maxride-laptop:~$ update-manager [04:02] maxride@maxride-laptop:~$ update-manager -d [04:02] extracting 'jaunty.tar.gz' [04:02] authenticate 'jaunty.tar.gz' against 'jaunty.tar.gz.gpg' [04:02] * Starting automatic crash report generation: apport [ OK ] [04:02] that screenshot doesn't load? [04:03] Yea...I'm trying to find a site that will accept it,. [04:03] imageshack's usually good [04:05] u_u; Well..I wan't trying to register for anything...I'll just put it up on my site. [04:06] http://www.gaithersburgitsolutions.com-a.googlepages.com/upgrade_Badness [04:06] ??? [04:06] u_u; Okay, that doesn't work either.... [04:07] I'll just install GIMP...BRB [04:07] ...Ok yea, I can't since the first install is frozen... [04:07] oh [04:07] maxride_: hit tab, then hit enter. [04:08] hum, unless tab doesn't work either [04:08] (and file a bug on libc6 about that) [04:08] Ah-hah! That worked.... [04:08] Hobbsee: Did that screenshot open for you? [04:09] (yes, else i wouldn't have known what the problem is ;) ) [04:09] * Hobbsee heads off to class [04:09] ....Odd. My firefox tried to make me download it an labeled it as a ".BIN" file. [04:11] Anyways, Thanks! [04:14] showed as octet-stream for me. [04:14] No file extension. [04:20] >_>; Oh, I'm doing this on an HP Mini....so....hopefully nothing horrible happens. x_x; If it works....then you'll know it works on this hardware (With the exception of installing NDIS for the WLAN) [04:24] man I am getting happy. I could not suspend to ram or disk last week. now, I pretty much got the ram issued out 100% and the disk at 99%... I say 99 because, once, my network died on resume, now, I lost some shortcuts. anyone know how to restart the shortcut system? I don't believe its khotkeys. its something else [04:26] kde component run command interface? === defcon is now known as Guest52408 === r0bby_ is now known as r0bby [05:04] so I was wondering if anyone in here has used hamachi and ssh together? [05:04] i can't figure it out [05:26] Anybody know why my Jaunty system won't connect to any 5 GHz access points (802.11a or 802.11n) with an Intel WiFi Link 5300 (it worked great in Intrepid)? I have done clean installs of intrepid and jaunty to verify that it works in one and not the other, and also to verify it wasn't a problem with my install. [05:28] I verified that I can't see the AP's with NetworkManager, kismet and iwlist wlan0 scanning [05:30] Hey, anyone here? [05:31] Firestone: Yes. [05:32] I'm looking for help, I'm using the 9.04 alpha, and it won't work with the mouse pad on my laptop. So when I don't have a mouse, the computer is useless. I assume its a driver I have to install, something simple, I just don't know what I need to. Any idea? [05:34] Firestone: is your touchpad enabled in system -> preferences -> mouse -> touchpad? [05:36] There is no option for touch pad in that mouse menu [05:38] * crdlb sees one === defcon is now known as Guest79590 [05:41] The options are: Mouse Orientation, Locate Pointer, Pointer Speed, Drag and Drop, and Double Click Timeout. No touch pad... [05:42] look at the tabs [05:43] Firestone: touchpad is the last tab [05:44] There are only two tabs, General and Accessibility [05:44] weird, perhaps it only shows up when it detects a touchpad [05:44] The most likely answer is that it isn't detecting the touch pad for some reason. Fixing that is somewhat more difficult though [05:44] is xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed? [05:46] Its installing now, lets hope that works [05:46] might need to vt-switch to get it working once the package installs. [05:46] Its installed, no response from the touch pad, and no tab in the mouse menu still [05:46] vt-switch? [05:47] or an X restart? [05:48] Can I restart X without restarting the computer? [05:48] I've never had to before =P [05:48] go to "log out" [05:48] might have to alt-f1 to get menus. [05:49] press alt+f4 to continue [05:50] Worked perfectly, thanks guys [05:52] is there a GUI except gadmin for ubuntu? [06:01] oh yeah, when my edid says this, what does it mean? [06:01] Red X: 0.596 Red Y: 0.351 Green X: 0.323 Green Y: 0.549 Blue X: 0.158 Blue Y: 0.148 White X: 0.313 White Y: 0.329 [06:01] Does anyone here know a lot about modprobe? [06:02] especially the process it uses to select which module to choose if there are two present? === defcon is now known as Guest58493 [08:03] any pulseaudio maintainer around? the last PA upload to Jaunty broke operation with Skype. [08:04] I'm just wondering how to trace the source of the regression. [08:13] have a question about ubuntu 9.04 [08:14] will the ext3/ext4 will be authomatic or we will have to manually transfer after the final release? [08:17] admin_masu3701, u must be talking about an upgrade, from what? [08:17] 8.10 [08:18] but heard about the ext3/ext4 and didnt want to mess with that [08:18] admin_masu3701, u don't have to convert the file system [08:22] chronic: really? i though i do if i upgrade now [08:22] i though the new one uses ext4 instead [08:22] admin, well, if u have ext3, we would u need to convert it to ext3? [08:23] it's optional [08:23] why [08:23] duh [08:24] i was reading a tutorial and it was talking about conversting ext3 to ext4 [08:26] is now a good time to upgrade? i was thinking about doing that now [08:27] is anyone using the current alpha now? how is it? [08:28] admin_masu3701, im using the kde version, it's slow as fuck [08:29] chronic: oh really [08:29] admin_masu3701, omg, it's laglaaaag lag laaaagllagggglaaag la lag [08:30] lol [08:30] then i shouldnt upgrade at this time [08:30] am still using 8.10 but was curious about how the new one is [08:31] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1072533&highlight=network+manager+jaunty&page=2 if somebody can't modify network [08:31] admin_masu3701, if u have a really fast pc , go for it [08:32] admin_masu3701, and i mean minimum core2 duo [08:33] is there alot problems? [08:33] admin_masu3701, and 2gigs of ddr2 or more/better [08:33] i do [08:37] admin_masu3701, i think it's gonna be a really good os in next few years "kubuntu" , but there are still a lot of broken things on it kde4.xxxx [08:37] ok [08:38] how better is the 9.04 alpha to 8.10? [08:39] right now, not much, [08:39] ok [08:40] so i guess i should wait til april [08:40] dude, live on the edge, install that shit [08:42] so you said i dont need to mess with ext3/ext4 [08:44] how much stuff do u have that u need to do an upgrade? upgrades are king of dumb [08:44] d* [08:45] Upgrades dumb? [08:45] No way! [08:46] yes my friend [08:50] chronic: updates are somewhat important [08:50] so i guess i will just wait for the fixed version [08:51] admin_masu3701: if you read the topic, jaunty will cause random breakages. Its not advised to upgrade until it is complete [08:52] ziroday, i'm only talking about upgrading from like 8 to 9 [08:52] chronic: 8 to 9? [08:53] ziroday, u want a candy? [08:53] chronic: err no? [08:53] ziroday, u are so cute [08:53] right [08:55] chronic: sorry, but I have no idea what on earth you are on about [08:56] ziroday, dude , "upgrade" from like 8.10 aka 8 to 9.10 or whatever aka 9 [08:57] chronic: you do understand the ubuntu versioning scheme right? its year.month [08:57] chronic: which is why there is no 9 or 8 release [08:58] ziroday, if u don't know, stfu.. simple [08:58] chronic: and currently 9.10 (aka karmic) isn't even being developed, I find it hard to work out how you can upgrade to it [08:59] chronic: would you like a link to the official documentation explaining how it works? [09:00] chronic: as year.month is how they are versioned. There will always be x.04 or x.10 as ubuntu has a six month release cylce [09:00] s/cylce/cycle [09:03] * Alexia_Death yawns [09:04] ziroday, u didnt read what i said, did u? [09:04] chronic: I read it, understand it not quite [09:05] chronic: I'm not sure what you're referring to, what don't I know? [09:06] ziroday, why argue about stupid things? besides i wasnt even talking to u [09:07] chronic: I was merely informing you of the ubuntu versioning scheme [09:08] ziroday, ok explain it to me [09:09] chronic: I just did....its the release date which is year.month. So for jaunty it will be 9.04 as it will be released on April 2009 [09:09] I still can not figure how to reinstall the apps that python update removed [09:10] Volkodav: which apps? [09:10] they need to be build against newer version but all request the older one which still present ? [09:10] deluge mirage [09:10] some others [09:10] now I get an error [09:10] Volkodav: yeah, you will have to wait for them to be rebuilt against the new python before you can use them [09:11] ziroday, if i had a shotgun i would shoot u in the face, oh wait, i do have a shotgun [09:11] That's what I figured [09:11] chronic: is that a death threat? [09:11] Volkodav: nothing you can do sorry [09:11] ziroday, just a joke, don't think im gonna kill you [09:11] Volkodav: I know I'm personally waiting on deluge, I can give you the bug number if you want [09:12] chronic: right... [09:14] Volkodav: here is the bug report for deluge https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtorrent-rasterbar/+bug/335741 [09:14] Launchpad bug 335741 in libtorrent-rasterbar "[jaunty]python(<2.6)-based apps cannot meet dependencies" [High,New] [09:17] well ristreto and trasmission are doing a god job in the interim [09:19] I wonder why I can not add the hardware sensor plugin in xfce anymore ? [09:19] transmission never worked here. deluge is the first and only torrent client that ever worked for me, so far. [09:19] I had no troubles with transmission [09:21] lulz, is transmission like a crippled clone of the worst bittorrent client ever? [09:21] basically, yes, it is. [09:22] here, every time I tried it, I saw it stall when trying to fetch files. and I regularly try again, with the same lack of results. [09:23] lulz, what kind of idiot preallocates space for the torrent "by default"? [09:24] chronic: What's wrong with that? [09:24] chronic: most bittorrent clients do that [09:24] I would hope so. [09:25] As it reduces fragmentation significantly. [09:26] wgrant, preallocating a 4gig torrent takes like 5 min on my machine... and during that time the system is basically frozen [09:26] chronic: Your filesystem is dodgy, or you have found a bug in Transmission which you should report. [09:26] wgrant, imagine opening a 60gb torrent [09:26] I've never had such problems. [09:26] chronic: it shouldn't take 5 minutes, basically all it does is tell the kernel that this section of the hard drive here is mine. Try to keep stuff off it [09:26] * wgrant imagines it. [09:27] I didn't crash while imagining it - what is your point? [09:27] wgrant: and you didn't take 5 minutes either :) [09:27] ziroday: If it takes more than a trivial fallocate, then it is doing it wrong. [09:28] And that is a bug, which can't be fixed unless somebody, you know, reports it. [09:28] wgrant: which I doubt transmission is doing [09:28] wgrant: I'm not disagreeing with you here :) [09:28] So. File. A. Damn. Bug. [09:28] It is *correct behaviour* to preallocate it. [09:29] wgrant: err I never said transmissions preallocation was broken. chronic did [09:29] ziroday: Sorry, I appear to be doing too much context switching. [09:29] wgrant: heh [09:30] wgrant, dude, it preallocates space for the "entire torrent" before it starts downloading [09:30] chronic: Which is precisely the behaviour I would expect. [09:30] wgrant, it should just start downloading and preallocate whatever space it needs based on what it downloads [09:31] And precisely the behaviour that Ted T'so recommends. [09:31] Why? [09:31] chronic: err then you get fragmentation, defeats the whole purpose of preallocation [09:32] ziroday, dude, fuck the fragmentation, i don't want my computer frozen for half a day because it's preallocating a 60gb torrent [09:32] chronic: please don't swear. Also your computer should not be frozen for half a day during pre allocation [09:33] chronic: either you're filesystem is screwy or your transmission preallocation is borked. File a bug. [09:33] Exactly. [09:34] chronic: most bittorrent clients do preallocate [09:34] fallocate should be very cheap. [09:34] ziroday, i know , they just preallocate a better way [09:34] chronic: err most of them use fallocate AFAIK [09:35] chronic: i.e. they tell the filesystem they want this much and the filesystem works it out] [09:36] Transmission does use fallocate, and never preallocates another way. [09:36] Hmmm. [09:37] transmission and ktorrent should join task force, maybe we would see a decent client [09:37] chronic: if you're not happy with transmission then use something else, also this conversation is better suited to #ubuntu-offtopic [09:39] ziroday, u know what would make me happy? [09:39] I'm sure you are about to tell me chronic [09:40] ziroday, only if u want to hear it [09:40] chronic: I really couldn't care either way. [09:40] so u want me to tell u or not? [09:40] no. [09:41] ok, sit down [09:41] anyone know if you can have 2 wubi installs with different releases? [09:44] dns53, with linux u can do anything [09:45] i'm more concerned about the windows side, i could probably work out how wubi boots and hack the boot menu [09:50] guud morning everyone! [09:51] how is our beloved "jumpy jack" threating you today? [09:52] ok, can someone tell me why tf is kubuntu so freaking slow? [09:54] it's a freaking slide show on 1gb ram and 2ghz amd64 [09:55] chronic: *sigh* file bugs. [09:57] u need to quit being pussies and install vuze as default bittorrent client [09:58] LOLOL [09:58] chronic: that conversation is better suited for #ubuntu-offtopic, also why on earth would we want vuze compared to transmission [09:58] that will (NOT) kill your machine for SURE [09:58] chronic: i guess transmission is enough for my purpuses ;) [09:59] transmission is too BASIC [09:59] deluge is a mess and gives me incomplete downloads [09:59] vize is a very good client, [09:59] BUGabundo: i basic wrong for basic purpuse? [09:59] best on linux [09:59] transmission is fine for new users wanting to use bittorrent, deluge is more complicated and vuze is right up thier [09:59] where does rtorrent fit? [10:07] anyone here have problem with nvidia graphic n jaunty? [10:07] my comp cant set higer than 800x600 [10:07] how to fix it? [10:08] darXbuntu, i think we should ask if there is anyone that doesn't have any video problems [10:09] hm.. [10:09] =.= [10:09] darXbuntu: I'd advise you not to release a development release if you want a "quick" turn around or working system [10:09] when will the compiz 0.8 be included in ubuntu? will it be in jaunty or first in karmic? [10:09] darXbuntu: things will be breaking a lot [10:09] CosmiChaos: not the current version in jaunty [10:10] i really love if automount is installed in jaunty [10:10] :P [10:10] back! [10:10] lights went down! [10:11] spooky [10:11] ikonia: hopefully it will be available through ppa as soon as jaunty is released ;) [10:12] CosmiChaos: that's up to an individual, I see no reason for it at this time [10:12] CosmiChaos, they not gonna do it , cause drivers suck [10:13] video drivers [10:13] yeah.mostly new driver [10:13] i mean new video [10:15] chronic: mine 180.35 runs well [10:15] whats that? [10:15] nvidia driver [10:16] driver veresion? [10:16] but lets wuit that topic [10:17] oh, im talking general, i read drivers from ati and nvidia just suck on linux , compared to the windows drivers [10:17] had anyone seen suspending and/or hibernating in current jaunty working? [10:17] some what! [10:17] it was working more or less [10:17] and sometimes I got tracebacks [10:17] chronic: i dont think that the nvidia driver for linux sucks ;) [10:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/335465 [10:17] Launchpad bug 335465 in xorg "resume from hibernation crashed X" [Undecided,Incomplete] [10:18] on both mine computer shuts down :/ [10:20] some on have problem with kde 4.2 and network manager? i cant set proper ip on eth0, only dhcp work, this Auto function, and i dont know how to disable it [10:20] under gnome works fine [10:21] CosmiChaos, so nvidia driver is great? exactly same performance and functionality as windows driver? [10:21] Infecto: network on kubuntu is broken [10:21] but under kde dont want. I have set it in Network manager (widget) settings, i have 2 connections for eth0 [10:21] and in need of dire care and attention [10:21] BUGabundo1: ok, thanks. [10:21] chronic: CosmiChaos I would like to know that too! [10:21] ppl keep saying "linux" drivers are as fast! [10:22] but have less functions [10:22] last drivers bring hardware accel but broke other things [10:24] hmm, opera dont want to statrtt under kubuntu (uptodata) [10:24] clone(child_stack=0, flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCHLD, child_tidptr=0xb70d59b8) = 5381 [10:24]