[00:09] <_MMA_> knome: What is the overall theme/feel you're going for?
[00:10] <_MMA_> knome: Across the whole of the Xubuntu-Jaunty art.
[02:27] <swj> hi
[09:08] <knome> _MMA_, something surreal and darkish.
[09:10] <knome> _MMA_, there is already a quick/first mockup for the wallpaper: http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-wall-mockup.png
[12:58] <swalko_> _MMA_:hi
[13:01] <_MMA_> yo
[13:08] <swalko_> _MMA_: have you idea about tray icons?
[13:08] <_MMA_> None.
[13:09] <_MMA_> swalko_: Make up a proposal. Send it to the list.
[13:10] <swalko_> _MMA_: my idea is to make tray icons only in one color
[13:10] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[13:10] <swalko_> _MMA_: black and white versions
[13:10] <zniavre> why notify-osd is dark on dark (bg/fg) on some icons theme
[13:11] <swalko_> zniavre: because that themes have dark color for text
[13:12] <_MMA_> swalko_: I would not make 2 versions. Make 1 version that will work on different backgrounds. A user should no be expected to switch the icons out.
[13:13] <swalko_> _MMA_: i may try to create some icons. Color may be tweaked later
[13:14] <_MMA_> swalko_: Sure. Make what you like. :) In the end, 1 set will go into Breathe and it should work on all backgrounds.
[13:15] <swalko_> _MMA_: without limitation. it will be best if tray icons may be colored by theme :)
[13:16] <_MMA_> swalko_: Sure. *If* it worked that way. Sadly, it does not.
[13:16] <swalko_> _MMA_: i know ... :(
[13:20] <_MMA_> swalko_: One position we /could/ take is that we make sure it works with whatever the Human theme does and all other themes be dammed. It's not bad to say "These icons aren't made for your theme." You think Apple worries about their tray icons and the dark themes people make? :)
[13:22] <swalko_> _MMA_: there is currently no different way i mean
[13:22] <swalko_> _MMA_: in 9.10 will be new ubuntu theme used?
[13:23] <andreasn> _MMA_, but you can't switch the colors of the panel i OS X, can you?
[13:23] <_MMA_> swalko_: I'm unsure as I've been working more on Ubuntu Studio. Theme-wise anyway.
[13:23] <andreasn> I wonder if GNOME Shell is going to hardcode the panel color or not
[13:23] <_MMA_> andreasn: You can use custom themes. It requires additional software.
[13:24] <andreasn> ah
[13:24] <_MMA_> andreasn: If that happens, I'll leave GNOME theming for sure.
[13:24] <andreasn> oh?
[13:24] <andreasn> it would be a way to use monochrome icons, because then you could always know the background color
[13:24] <_MMA_> andreasn: If anything is hard-coded in new versions of GNOME.
[13:25] <andreasn> I wonder if it would work to use fonts to display monochrome stuff
[13:26] <_MMA_> andreasn: Give people the ability to do anything. Who cares if Ubuntu's icons don't work on theme X? We have to be able to say "No. This isn't meant to work with that." So limiting themers to me isn't the way to go.
[13:26] <andreasn> maybe a bit crazy, but the text color is always made sure to be visible
[13:28] <_MMA_> IMO, it's not a distros (or anyones) responsibility to make sure all themes work together.
[13:28] <andreasn> oh, I was more worried that we have several, easy accessible switches to screw things up ("if you press this button, you'll no longer be able to see anything") kind of situations
[13:29] <_MMA_> Well for me that has come down more to application design.
[13:29] <andreasn> I guess so
[13:29] <_MMA_> Ill brb. (gotta get kids off to school)
[13:29] <andreasn> I guess saying "this won't work with everything" is a start
[14:19] <knome> gdmflexiserver --xnest doesn't work like expected with twinview. any ideas?
[14:20] <_MMA_> knome: Not here.
[14:21] <knome> x="50%" is more like 80%
[14:21] <savvas> how about debugging info: gdmflexiserver --xnest -d
[14:21] <savvas> ( not that I know how to fix it :) )
[14:22] <knome> can you set the xnest resolution?
[14:22] <savvas> no, I just read gdmflexiserver --help :P
[14:23] <knome> only some OK responses.
[14:23] <_MMA_> knome: I found that if I had all the available resolutions for my screen in xorg that it used the next one down for xnest.
[14:23] <knome> ok...
[14:24] <knome> what if i only have one resolution? :P
[14:25] <_MMA_> That, I don't know. Regardless of advances in tech I continue to use my xorg from 3 years ago.
[15:53] <_MMA_> dashua: Hit me up when you are back from dreamland.
[19:34] <xanax`> hello
[20:58] <xanax`> hello
[20:59] <xanax`> does someone know if GDM face browser (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/GdmFaceBrowser) is still a project in development or if it has been abandoned ?
[21:02] <thorwil> xanax`: for all i know it is not abandoned, but it has been pushed out 2 times already. so next chance is karmic
[21:03] <xanax`> yep, maybe
[21:27] <SiDi> Hello
[21:31] <SiDi> A blue science icon would rock : its always good to have mana under hand
[21:31]  * SiDi is sorry.. really..
[21:35] <_MMA_> Geek. :P
[21:38] <SiDi> Hehe
[21:38] <SiDi> i assume :)
[21:38] <SiDi> tho, i'm very happy that we'll have Dust and New Wave coming in community-themes, cheers on that
[23:52] <Yasumoto> whoa, there's a community-themes package? epic