=== rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [00:31] mrooney: what kind of hints are you looking for? [00:33] rickspencer3: well, if it is a valid bug or not, basically. Is that a standard for the desktop, or do we want to say it is fine for some things in System -> Preferences to not dismiss via escape? [00:33] I believe it is a valid bug, and should be fixed, however .... [00:34] I would check with mpt, our UI guru and all around smart Ux guy [00:34] I'm not awake. Fortunately, this is the sort of question I can answer in my sleep [00:35] There should be a standard key combo for closing dialogs, and there should be a standard key combo for closing windows. [00:35] Currently, there is neither. [00:35] mpt: thanks. Didn't mean to wake you [00:35] mrooney: I think if most of the preference dialogs dismiss on escape, we should pick that as the standard, and have all of them do so [00:35] my $.02 [00:36] In dialogs, Esc means Cancel, so it would be/is confusing for that to close instant-apply windows (as most of the Preferences windows are) without reverting whatever changes you'd made. [00:38] That's one of the things that flummoxes a standard. The other is the Emacs etc users who don't like Ctrl W being used to close windows. :-) [00:38] I thought alt-f4 was the standard way to close all windows [00:39] That is a standard, but not usably so -- on some keyboards it's very difficult to reach with one hand, and on others it requires three keypresses rather than two (Alt Fn F4). [00:40] hmmm [00:40] perhaps a uds topic on keyboard standardization? [00:40] in the meantime, what should mrooney do? [00:44] Basically I think it needs someone to have the audacity to devise a keyboard combo that can be consistent and easy to reach, and to get it implemented in the window manager so that applications have to go to extraordinary lengths for it not to work. [00:45] like alt-f [00:45] 4 [00:45] (Audacity because any keyboard combo meeting those requirements will conflict with something important. Like Cmd M and Cmd H did when they were introduced in Mac OS X, for example.) [00:45] it seems like just replacing that would be a good approach [00:46] right [00:46] I'll put in on the list for consideration as a UDS topic [00:47] in the meantime, sounds like mrooney doesn't really have a "standard" to appeal to. The hig does not cover this? [00:47] And if you thought the complaints about update-manager were bad, just wait until you see what the complaints would look like about changing a keyboard combo like that :-) [00:48] http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/input-keyboard.html.en#standard-shortcuts defines Ctrl W and Alt F4 [00:52] alright so it sounds like if all the other ones in that menu do it, to file bugs against the very few that don't conform? [00:54] oh hey mpt I think we had breakfast together one morning at UDS Jaunty? that sounds vaguely familiar [00:54] mrooney, sure, if you like [00:55] mpt: I'm confused by the changes in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-user-share/+bug/337352 , the statement from the NotifyOSD page about the package also confuses me [00:55] Launchpad bug 337352 in gnome-user-share "gnome-user-share notification changes" [Undecided,New] [00:55] mpt: would you comment tomorrow if I subscribe you? [00:57] james_w, the statement on the NotifyOSD page about gnome-user-share is not "the desired operation", it's a description of the behavior with notification-daemon. [00:57] that's what I thought [00:57] I wondered why it was cited as a description of the change when the patch implements something completely different [00:58] I'm not sure what the patch does. It looks like it auto-opens the file?? [00:59] assuming close is still sent by nofify-osd it seems to show then notification then auto-open the file at the end of the notification [00:59] hm, that's not good [01:00] it's certainly not a simple "query for action support" patch [01:02] no [01:04] james_w, have you seen this notification in action? If so, could you possibly provide a screencast or screenshot? I tried with several people's Bluetooth phones to send a file like that but could not. [01:04] I haven't [01:04] And it's hard to redesign what I can't see. :-) [01:04] and I don't have bluetooth, sorry [01:04] crevette is hot on bluetooth I think [01:05] but he's in our sort of timezone, so probably being sensible and sleeping [01:07] oh, why did I think gnome-user-share was Bluetooth? According to Synaptic it's WebDAV or ObexFTP. [01:08] obex is bluetooth isn't it? [01:11] obex is a protocol, doesn't really /have/ to be over bluetooth, but lots of bt devices support it [01:19] james_w, commented [01:19] thanks mpt === asac_ is now known as asac === LaserJock_ is now known as LaserJock === asac_ is now known as asac [07:52] Good morning [08:26] hello pitti [08:30] hey seb128 o/ [08:30] hello didrocks [08:37] hum [08:38] restarting dbus nowadays not a good idea it bring you back to gdm with no keyboard or mouse working [08:38] yep :) [08:38] * crevette already experienced that [08:38] (hello everybody) [08:39] thanks for the info, I will avoid to do this :) [08:39] lut crevette [08:43] lut crevette [08:43] hey mvo MacSlow [08:44] salut seb128_, mvo, pitti [08:44] seb128_, this time your tail is showing ;) [08:44] seb128_, ISP problems? [08:45] MacSlow: yeah, don't try to restart dbus or you could get the same ;-) [08:45] it closed my session and sent me back to gdm with no mouse or keyboard [08:45] hey seb128_, MacSlow [08:46] seb128_, outch [08:55] crevette: Bluetooth didn't work with my dongle I'm afraid :( I might try it out on my laptop latter today. bug 268502 is the one for bt not working. Which is strange because it worked fine with intrepid till beta which is when bluez4 went in [08:55] Launchpad bug 268502 in linux "Bluetooth doesn't work (hci_cmd_task: hci0 command tx timeout)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268502 [08:58] davmor2, bluez 4 has some border effect, but I wanted to know if there is no regression between 4.30 and 4.32 ? [08:59] salut seb128_ , and davmor2 [09:00] crevette: Like I say I'll try it out on my laptop latter which has bluetooth working in intrepid [09:03] * mvo takes the cheese sponsoring [09:12] * crevette wins 600 points of karma in 1 day [09:13] davmor2, when yoy says your dongle didn't work, could you ellaborate? or open a bug [09:20] crevette: 268502 is the bug I wrote one and it got tied into that one :) [09:21] It's a big bug too lots of people adding themselves to it === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [10:02] seb128: what should I do with something like bug #333422 ? it looks like a gtk theme engine issue to me [10:02] Launchpad bug 333422 in update-manager "update-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_widget_class_install_style_property_parser()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/333422 [10:09] mvo: I've no real clues about those [10:09] I tend to either send those upstream or ask a valgrind log [10:09] what make you think that's a theme issue? [10:16] seb128: nothing really, just gut feeling [10:16] mvo: we have gtk hackers now in the dx team, maybe try asking brasch when he's around? [10:16] seb128: sounds good, will do [10:17] I'm interested to know how to read those crashes too [10:17] morning everyone [10:19] lut huats [10:20] hey seb128 [10:20] huats: comment ca va ? [10:20] seb128: bof [10:20] :( [10:21] seb128: I think I am on the good way to be better... but for the moment I just "think" that.... I hope I ill feel it too sooon :) [10:21] oh :-( [10:21] how are you ? [10:21] good thank you [10:22] and I have dozens of things to do and it is hard tostay a bit focussed... [10:22] but I will ! [10:23] good luck ;-) [11:08] ArneGoetje: hi, do you know why indicator-applet is not translatable on launchpad? [11:09] ArneGoetje: is the template waiting for moderation or something? [11:25] soren: i would think so. the other reason might be that rosetta seems to have issues - e.g. i got like 200 mails over night for network-manager translation imports (and also a bunch of failed ones), which i never got before [11:25] soren: that was for seb ;) [11:39] bug 329245 [11:39] Launchpad bug 329245 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon could use the new notification service" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329245 [11:41] bug 329296 [11:41] Launchpad bug 329296 in gnome-power-manager "Improve notifications" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329296 [11:45] eeejay: what about those? [11:46] seb128: just getting the URL :) not used lp URL formats [11:46] please don't abuse the channel for that [11:47] seb128: sorry [11:47] that's ok, just don't do it again ;-) [11:51] 12:25 < asac> soren: i would think so. the other reason might be that rosetta seems to have issues - e.g. i got like 200 mails over night for network-manager translation imports (and also a bunch of failed ones), which i never got before [11:51] :)= [11:51] seb128: ^^ [11:51] that was for you, when you were away [11:52] topic: moderation [11:52] asac: yes, there is some bugs open about that, that's a wanted change (the emails one) [11:53] asac: they will stop sending success import emails [11:53] asac: do you know where we can see a filtered import queue? [11:53] the current one has almost 50000 entries [11:55] seb128: heh :) ... no sorry. i always looked after uploading [11:55] so they were still on top [12:03] mvo: thanks for applying the patch from bug 328164 :) [12:03] Launchpad bug 328164 in update-manager "[jaunty] Launchpad changelog URLs with epochs are not correctly linked" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328164 [12:19] pitti irc proxy down? [12:29] seb128: for translation errors. i would really prefer that launchpad batches the failed imports and sends a digested mail every 24 hours or so [12:30] asac: talk to danilo ;-) [12:30] i will tell that jtv when he is back [12:30] ah ok [12:30] or him [12:30] asac: they plan to do a summary on launchpad too apparently [12:30] seb128: yeah. so a reminder mail like: "you have translation import issues pending" would be great [12:31] seing as I get spammed with no many packages, I can't imagine what it can be for you [12:31] didrocks: I got over 6000 emails from rosetta since monday [12:35] seb128: not bad ^^ I only got 600 ;) [12:49] seb128, my desktop is broken after the last upgrade + reboot. gdm is fine then, just a black screen, nothing on it. it seems gnome-session is not starting anything, or even, is not there [12:50] fta2: you are the first to have a such issue, log into a non-GNOME session and run gnome-session by hand and see what's going on? [12:51] ok, thanks. will try that after a meeting. === mnem0 is now known as mnemo [13:20] seb128: indicator-applet is still in the import queue and hasn't been approved yet. I'm waiting for a fix to land in Rosetta. [13:20] ArneGoetje: ok, can you make sure it will be approved? [13:21] seb128: yes [13:21] thanks [13:32] * kenvandine_wk wonders why pidgin wants to use 100% of my cpu today [14:06] hey tedg [14:06] pitti: Good morning [14:09] hey tedg [14:10] hello tedg kenvandine [14:10] tedg: fusa isn't happy with me [14:10] hey seb128 [14:10] Good morning kenvandine and seb128 [14:10] hey kenvandine [14:10] kenvandine, oh, no! What's unhappy? [14:10] tedg: testing fusa from your ppa [14:10] well 2 things [14:10] i am not getting the policykit dialog on restart with 2 users logged in [14:10] and [14:10] user switching is only working sometimes... [14:11] seems to be X related [14:11] kenvandine, I'm sure those are PolicyKit and GDM bugs ;) [14:11] i do get the logout/restart/shutdown confirmation dialogs though [14:11] even the restart required one [14:11] Okay, so that means that when we query, we're not seeing that you need to authenticate. [14:12] just not prompted to authorize restart with more than one user logged in [14:12] And, if you're not getting the dialogs, it seems you don't. [14:12] right :) [14:12] Okay, I know nothing about PolicyKit, that's a pitti question :) [14:12] right now i am stuck waiting for user switching to fail [14:12] But, it's good to know that it works when PolicyKit is configured differently ;) [14:12] after a few minutes it fails and lets me back in as me :) [14:13] tedg: are you the indicator-applet maintainer? ;-) [14:13] seb128: Upstream ;) [14:13] seb128: What's up? [14:13] tedg: sometime the icon vanish and it doesn't list either evolution nor pidgin, I need to restart the app to get those there [14:13] tedg: I didn't figure what trigger that yet, but what debug info would be useful? [14:14] ie the indicator is still there but doesn't see evolution or pidgin running [14:14] seb128: Yeah, if you can figure something out there. I'll look at it some more. [14:14] any debug hint? [14:14] seb128: I've had a case where the indicator (ping) doesn't go away in some cases... I'm looking at tracking that down today. [14:15] ok [14:15] seb128: If you compile it from source, there's a "test/listen-and-print" program, which acts like a listener on the bus. [14:15] I was thinking about putting that as an example or something. But, it's compiled code. [14:15] Should that be a separate package? [14:16] tedg: if that's useful for debugging just pust it as an example in the indicator-applet binary [14:16] pitti: how much do you know about the user switching stuff? [14:16] tedg: we have some softwares already for that, ie /usr/lib/nautilus-cd-burner/list_cddrives [14:16] seb128: Okay, in like $(libexec)? [14:17] already *doing* that [14:17] tedg: yes [14:17] pitti: http://pastebin.com/m2ce92b51 [14:17] ConsoleKit thinks i am logged in twice... i guess i probably am :) [14:17] i logged in as ken, then switched to test, then switched back to ken [14:17] seb128: Okay, will do, I think that'd be helpful. Maybe I'll figure out an apport hook too :) [14:17] looks like switching back to ken actually gave me a new login session [14:18] kenvandine_wk: one of those is a ssh session [14:18] oh... duh! [14:18] interesting [14:18] kenvandine, oh, that's the problem. We only support logging in as "ken-thinks-ubuntu-is-better-than-forsight" ;) [14:18] i didn't think you got that from ssh [14:18] good [14:18] kenvandine_wk: the other session is ssh [14:18] "# [14:18] remote-host-name = 'dhcp248.home.vandine.org'" [14:18] hahaha [14:18] i didn't read close enough [14:19] tedg: yeah... and on foresight that session isn't listed in CK [14:19] ok, good [14:19] kenvandine_wk: by default, CK allows local users to shut down if there's just a single session, and asks for auth if there are multiple [14:19] well i can't switch again to test :/ [14:19] it's debatable if that's a feature or a bug [14:19] pitti: well... i had the test user and the ken user logged into gnome at the same time [14:19] and it didn't give me the PK dialog [14:20] kenvandine_wk: new login sesssion when switching back> sounds like X.org crashed, can you look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old? [14:20] well, i used fusa to switch back and forth [14:20] now i can't switch again [14:20] ok [14:21] pitti: doesn't look like a failure [14:21] kenvandine_wk: hm; is your session still on another VT then? [14:21] check "who" [14:21] no, i actually did logout [14:22] ah, ok [14:22] now i can't get both users logged in again :) [14:22] I thought you logged in as ken, then as test, and switched back to "ken", and found a new login screen instead of your existign session [14:22] well... i did actually [14:22] not sure how that works in ubuntu [14:23] should i get a unlock dialog or gdm screen on switching back? [14:23] in foresight i get the unlock dialog, but we use the newer gdm [14:23] in this case i got the gdm login screen... so maybe switching users actually logged me out of the other session [14:24] * kenvandine_wk should have opened some apps to verify the session was the same :) [14:26] [ 1.769235] (EE) intel(0): Failed to initialize kernel memory manager [14:26] in Xorg.20.log [14:26] while switching... i wonder if that is the failure [14:26] * kenvandine tests with vesa to rule out drivers [14:28] hey rickspencer3 [14:28] good morning [14:28] morning kenvandine [14:28] hey rickspencer3 [14:29] hey hey [14:29] kenvandine: yes, on switching back you should get gnome-screensaver lock dialog [14:29] hey rickspencer3 [14:29] kenvandine: seems like it; as I said, this sounds like an X.org crash [14:30] pitti: ok... working much better with vesa :) [14:30] good [14:30] tedg: now i am getting the PolicyKit dialog too [14:30] so looks great [14:30] seb128: hope your doing well today. Been a lot of change mails with your name associated this week! [14:31] kenvandine: ah, so you didn't really have two sessions any more, because the first one crashed :) [14:31] rickspencer3: yes, a bit tired, new GNOME weeks are always a bit of a rush until wednesday then it's cool [14:31] kenvandine: so it seems to come together [14:31] I'm doing some bug triage today ;-) [14:31] seb128: heh, me too [14:31] * seb128 hugs pitti [14:31] pitti: yup... damn xorg drivers! [14:31] after-UIF brings some time for turning to bugs [14:31] pitti: gnome-mount question for you [14:32] seb128: got about 70 apport bugs triaged today [14:32] seb128: shoot [14:32] kenvandine: Woot! Cool. [14:32] pitti: if you put a data CD in your drive, unmount it (don't eject but unmount) then run gnome-mount -e -v -b -d [14:32] tedg: so kick ass work on the fusa stuff... looks really nice [14:32] pitti: do you get an ugly error dialog too? [14:32] * kenvandine loves the transparency in the confirmation dialogs :) [14:32] * pitti finds a CD [14:32] kenvandine: Heh, just followed mpt's spec ;) [14:33] $ gnome-eject -vbd /dev/sr0 [14:33] gnome-mount 0.8 [14:33] ** (gnome-eject:12970): DEBUG: Ejecting /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_label_ctsw0902 [14:33] Laufwerk /dev/sr0 befindet sich in /etc/fstab mit Einhängepunkt »/media/cdrom0« [14:33] /dev/sr0 wurde ausgeworfen (durch /etc/fstab) [14:33] seb128: ^ [14:34] seb128: no error message [14:34] seb128: shall I remove it from fstab? [14:34] pitti: you unmount it first right? [14:34] right [14:34] gnome-umount -vbd /dev/sr0 [14:34] $ gnome-eject -vbd /dev/sr0 [14:34] gnome-mount 0.8 [14:34] ** (gnome-eject:20823): DEBUG: Ejecting /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_label_Ubuntu_8_10_i386 [14:34] Device /dev/sr0 is in /etc/fstab with mount point "/media/cdrom" [14:34] ** Message: eject said error 256, stdout='', stderr='eject: tried to use `/media/cdrom0' as device name but it is no block device [14:34] eject: tried to use `/media/cdrom0' as device name but it is no block device [14:35] eject: unable to find or open device for: `/media/cdrom' [14:35] [14:35] I get that [14:35] on my d630 [14:35] and the CD doesn't get ejected [14:35] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2009-02-08 21:22 cdrom -> cdrom0 [14:35] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-02-08 21:22 cdrom0 [14:35] if it's mounted eject works fine [14:35] ^ /media/ [14:35] $ ls -ld /media/cdrom* [14:35] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Oct 20 2007 /media/cdrom -> cdrom0 [14:35] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 21 2008 /media/cdrom0 [14:35] kenvandine: hey ken! are you testing ted's console kit patches? [14:35] seb128: looks fine [14:36] seb128: how does it call eject for you? [14:36] davidbarth: not consolekit, but fusa [14:36] yeah... works well :) [14:36] davidbarth: once i got past xorg crashing on user switching [14:37] pitti: [pid 20917] execve("/usr/bin/eject", ["eject", "/media/cdrom"], [/* 43 vars */] [14:37] pid 13136] execve("/usr/bin/eject", ["eject", "/media/cdrom0"], [/* 48 vars */]) = 0 [14:37] $ eject /media/cdrom [14:37] eject: tried to use `/media/cdrom0' as device name but it is no block device [14:37] eject: unable to find or open device for: `/media/cdrom' [14:37] seb128: heh, nice timing [14:37] iz eject bog [14:37] $ grep cdrom /etc/fstab === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [14:37] /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0 [14:37] $ grep cdrom /etc/fstab [14:37] /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0 [14:37] a-haa [14:37] eject not resolving symlinks [14:38] bad eject! no cookie! [14:38] bad idea to have cd-rom in fstab in the first place [14:38] even scd0 is obsolete [14:38] it should be /dev/cdrom at least [14:39] I don't think I did that [14:39] I just installed $ubuntu-version and upgraded since [14:39] anyway thanks for the help debugging, I will fix my fstab [14:40] seb128: see #u-devel [14:40] it's not your bug, but reminded me of that hardcoded device name again [14:51] rickspencer3: you being here meaning you are awake already? [14:51] or should i rather come back in 1h ;) [14:53] asac: this is not too early for me [14:53] rickspencer3: good morning then. [14:53] hehe [14:53] rickspencer3: take a coffee and look at your inbox :) ... mozillaaaaa [14:53] asac: I saw [14:53] rickspencer3: ah cool. i replied too [14:54] I haven't replied yet [14:54] with technical hat on ;) [14:54] heh [14:55] the change is not trivial ;) [14:55] asac: I'm not sure what I think yet [14:55] maybe my coffee hasn't soaked in yet [14:55] I agree with your recommendation [14:55] rickspencer3: yeah. take your time ;). i guess nobody expects you to answer at 5:30 ;) [14:56] or was it 4:55 even? [14:56] it's 6:56 [14:56] :) [14:57] pitti: SteveA says that he has a camera which cheese doesn't see on Jaunty [14:57] shall he log a bug? [14:58] * seb128 looks at the gnome-mount bug lists, over 80 bugs there, *shrug* [14:58] ug [15:00] seb128: yeah, triaging that is on my todo list... [15:00] rickspencer3: erm, sure [15:00] pitti: I'm looking at some of those bugs now [15:00] rickspencer3: I just don't know whether I could help, I don't have a webcam, nor any experience with them [15:00] pitti: I thought you were the guy who got all the cameras working [15:00] not true? [15:01] rickspencer3: webcams? no [15:01] well, digicams I can deal with [15:01] oookay [15:01] but in the "photo" sense [15:02] hmmm [15:03] so if an internal usb web cam doesn't work, this is a kernel issue, right? The kernel doesn't have drivers for it? [15:06] rickspencer3: most likely [15:06] kenvandine_wk: that's what I thought. I took care of it :) thanks [15:06] :) [15:07] * kenvandine_wk just got is first webcam ever... this week :) [15:15] * pochu rofls at Keybuk's mail [15:16] tedg: i am trying out pidgin again for irc... maybe the message indicator is enough to push me over the top :) [15:16] kenvandine_wk: That or the notifications. ;) [15:16] hehe [15:16] kenvandine_wk: test [15:16] Maybe we shouldn't port xchat, then as everyone moves to Pidgin the transition to Jabber will be easier :) [15:17] rickspencer3: libv4l and gstreamer are between cheese and the kernel too [15:18] pochu: thanks [15:19] rickspencer3: bug 260918 must be the bug with more comments after #1 :) [15:19] tedg: it is pretty damn nice to be able to close the window and stay in the channel :) [15:19] Launchpad bug 260918 in amsn "needed: libv4l and associated application patches (or "gspca stopped working in 2.6.27")" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260918 [15:19] i don't remember that before [15:20] pochu: i got a libv4l error in the console when i ran cheese yesterday, with my gspca camera... but it still worked fine [15:21] that's a long thread :) [15:22] indeed [15:23] in the end it was the kernel and libv4l's fault IIRC [15:35] kenvandine_wk: pochu: what package is right for such a bug? It is, in fact, a missing module which is available [15:36] seb128: I wanted to upload a fixed version of anjuta in my ppa (2.25.902-0ubuntu2) to test build it there before putting it in the archives, but I get rejected by the ppa saying that there is already a version like that in jaunty. The thing is that https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anjuta does not list that version (the latest is the one that FTBFS 2.25.902-0ubuntu1). Any idea ? [15:36] huats: did you have this version in your ppa already? [15:36] kenvandine_wk: pochu: referring to web cam ^ [15:36] rickspencer3: you mean he doesn't have the module installed? [15:36] seb128: nope [15:36] but it is availble? [15:37] kenvandine_wk: I meant that the module is not in the Jaunty kernel [15:37] right, but is it available as another package? [15:37] or not packaged at all? [15:38] it's not packages afaik [15:38] so either against 'linux' requesting it get built as a module in the kernel by default or as a new package request [15:38] tx [15:38] is there a package request mechanism in LP? [15:39] i guess against 'linux' for now... let them decide if it should be mainline :) [15:40] thanks kenvandine_wk [15:40] np [15:44] huats: so I don't know [15:45] seb128: ok thanks anyway [15:46] huats: ask on #launchpad, usually that's because the version you try using has been published somewhere, your ppa or ubuntu [15:46] seb128: ok [15:47] I have started something else, but I will right after... [15:47] thanks seb128 [15:47] huats: https://edge.launchpad.net/~christophe.sauthier/+archive/ppa/+build/891847 [15:47] huats: you did upload a such version yesterday apparently [15:47] seb128: but I have removed it... [15:47] so it shouldn't be a problem I guess... [15:47] huats: yes, but it has been published you can't re-use it [15:48] huats: that's why I asked if you did use it already [15:48]