| james_w | I'm unable to build anything in a jaunty pbuilder as aptitude won't install due to libapt, is anyone else seeing this? | 00:03 |
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| ScottK | Did wxpython get fixed? 2.8 was fubar yesterday. | 00:03 |
| ScottK | Working here. | 00:04 |
| ScottK | james_w: You can switch your pbuilder to use the classic pbuilbersatisfydepends that uses apt. Maybe it's better. | 00:04 |
| geser | james_w: is that inside the pbuilder or in the host system? | 00:07 |
| james_w | inside pbuilder | 00:07 |
| geser | I've update my jaunty pbuilder today without problems | 00:08 |
| geser | and there was no apt or aptitude upload in the last few weeks | 00:09 |
| james_w | idiot! | 00:12 |
| james_w | I was trying to build with a mix of jaunty and experimental | 00:12 |
| goshawk | hi, about armel support, i can see that the jaunty alpha-5 has "ixp4xx" and "versatile" versions, where can i find infos about the differencies? | 00:19 |
| ScottK | goshawk: I think there is an #ubuntu-armel channel (or something like that) | 00:28 |
| goshawk | ScottK: yep it's #ubuntu-arm i'm already there now | 00:28 |
| goshawk | thx | 00:28 |
| ScottK | OK. That's the best place to ask. | 00:29 |
| ScottK | Mostly it's Europeans, so it's kind of not the best time. | 00:29 |
| cyberix | I think this bug has a wrong status https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/248231 | 00:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 248231 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] pyliblo" [Wishlist,In progress] | 00:33 |
| cyberix | The package is already in Jaunty repositories | 00:33 |
| cyberix | What should the correct status be? | 00:33 |
| cyberix | s/sh/w/ | 00:34 |
| ScottK | If it's already in Jaunty it should be Fix Released. | 00:39 |
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| cyberix | ScottK: Should I leave the assignment in place or set it to nobody? | 00:48 |
| ScottK | It doesn't much matter. Just change the fix released | 00:48 |
| cyberix | done | 00:50 |
| cyberix | thanks for help | 00:51 |
| Laibsch | Hi | 01:01 |
| Laibsch | Looking for help in getting python-4suite-xml to actually compile against python 2.6 | 01:02 |
| Laibsch | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23448421/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.python-4suite_1.0.2-7ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 01:02 |
| Laibsch | is the build failure | 01:02 |
| geser | have fun figuring out why the build didn't produce for 2.5 hours no output at all | 01:05 |
| Laibsch | yeah | 01:06 |
| Laibsch | I have no clue about that either | 01:06 |
| james_w | does it work on your machine? | 01:06 |
| james_w | or is this the memory eating one? | 01:06 |
| Laibsch | Compiling, you mean? | 01:06 |
| james_w | yeah | 01:06 |
| geser | james_w: that's the same spot where I aborted my pbuilder build as it took already 1 GB swap plus my 5 GB RAM | 01:07 |
| james_w | urgh | 01:08 |
| james_w | does a rebuild with python 2.5 still work? | 01:08 |
| geser | the python2.5 part works (see in the beginning of the log) | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | geser: that's a rather large amount of memory to use for a build | 01:10 |
| Laibsch | I'm sorry, my local machine would be underpowered I assume | 01:12 |
| Laibsch | not enough RAM and not enough CPU, I guess | 01:13 |
| geser | ajmitch: it might be less as my pbuilder uses a tmpfs, but usually I don't need any swap to build a package | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | I think any machine would be underpowered if it keeps on chomping through memory like that | 01:13 |
| Laibsch | What can we do? | 01:18 |
| Laibsch | Is there any channel like #debian-python for ubuntu? | 01:19 |
| * Laibsch is not aware of such a thing | 01:19 | |
| ScottK | Laibsch: There is not. | 01:28 |
| ScottK | Laibsch: What I would do is look upstream for a new release or in their VCS for changes for 2.6 compatibility. | 01:28 |
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| Laibsch | ScottK: Do you think that would go in despite the freeze? | 02:11 |
| Laibsch | Jaunty has the latest Debian version IIRC | 02:11 |
| ScottK | Laibsch: A patch to fix it definitely. A new version maybe. Certainly if it's the only way to fix it. | 02:11 |
| Laibsch | I'm chatting with the devs | 02:19 |
| Laibsch | It looks really bad | 02:19 |
| Laibsch | python 2.6 is a known problem | 02:19 |
| Laibsch | Last release was more than 2 years ago | 02:19 |
| Laibsch | I'm not sure there is gonna be a solution from upstream | 02:19 |
| ScottK | Not good. | 02:21 |
| ScottK | But you're going about it the right way. | 02:21 |
| etank | evening everyone | 02:24 |
| etank | i am trying to go through the motu recipes and i am stuck on the watch file one | 02:25 |
| etank | everything worked find until the 'debuild -S -sa' step | 02:25 |
| etank | here is the output that i got http://dpaste.com/6618/ | 02:25 |
| etank | what could i have missed? | 02:26 |
| Laibsch | etank: I don't think that is watch-file related | 02:29 |
| etank | i dont think it is either | 02:29 |
| etank | it is just where i got stuck going through the recipe | 02:29 |
| Laibsch | Does the previous version build? | 02:30 |
| etank | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/DebianWatch this is what im going through | 02:30 |
| Laibsch | with none of your changes? | 02:30 |
| etank | Laibsch: it seems to be running | 02:30 |
| * Laibsch wonders how come everyone seems to have a @ubuntu.com address these days | 02:30 | |
| Laibsch | seems or is? | 02:30 |
| etank | ran but failed at the end because of gpg issues | 02:31 |
| * etank wonders if it is because the watch file isn't in the new dir | 02:36 | |
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| dtchen_ | Laibsch: not everyone =) | 03:02 |
| Laibsch | dtchen_: ?? | 03:07 |
| Laibsch | not everyone? I don't see the connection to anything I wrote | 03:08 |
| Laibsch | What are you referring to? | 03:08 |
| dtchen_ | Laibsch: 18:30 * Laibsch wonders how come everyone seems to have a @ubuntu.com address these days | 03:10 |
| Laibsch | dtchen_: man "seems" ;-) | 03:13 |
| * JontheEchidna uses @kubuntu.org, but has @ubuntu.com too :D | 03:15 | |
| * Laibsch just opened bug 338079 on the dire state of python-4suite and python 2.6 | 03:23 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 338079 in python-4suite "[Jaunty] packages incompatible with python 2.6" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338079 | 03:23 |
| * ScottK has both and uses neither | 03:25 | |
| savvas | what happened with bug 335741 ? should I subscribe sponsors for my patch proposal or is it about to be decided? | 03:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 335741 in libtorrent-rasterbar "[jaunty]python(<2.6)-based apps cannot meet dependencies" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/335741 | 03:31 |
| * ScottK isn't about to decide anything. | 03:34 | |
| savvas | ScottK: do you happen to know if I package a new version for mobile-broadband-provider-info from svn this weekend, is it possible to make it for jaunty? it's basically an xml file with service provider information | 03:42 |
| ScottK | It's in Main, so no idea. I'd ask pitti during European work hours tomorrow. | 03:42 |
| savvas | ok, thanks :) | 03:43 |
| cody-somerville | Is there a member of the MOTU Council around? | 04:15 |
| nhandler | cody-somerville: Most are probably sleeping. Although nixternal should still be up. | 04:27 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Is there a person/channel i can ask in regarding python-apt breakage? | 04:42 |
| nixternal | cody-somerville: what's up? | 04:49 |
| ScottK | Kamping_Kaiser: I'd ask mvo tomorrow. | 04:53 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ScottK, thanks. | 05:16 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | as python-apt is a package in Ubuntu, does that mean there will be a bzr branch of it somewhere on LP? | 05:17 |
| ScottK | Since it's in Main, usually. | 05:18 |
| ScottK | If you apt-get source the package it'll tell you in debian/control | 05:18 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ok, thanks. I'll go and have a look. | 05:18 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | heh. the XS-Vcs-Bzr: 404s. guess i'm waiting for mvo tomorrow ;) | 05:24 |
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| Toadstool | hello everybody | 05:53 |
| fabrice_sp_ | Hello Toadstool | 05:58 |
| Toadstool | hi fabrice_sp_ | 05:58 |
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| directhex | is there a template for an RM request bug? | 08:56 |
| slytherin | can anyone please tell me who maintains seeds for mobile-meta package? | 09:18 |
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| huats | geser: are you around ? | 10:32 |
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| AnAnt | Regarding debian bug #411851 , I tried the pm-utils hook script but it didn't work, does Ubuntu something else other than pm-utils for suspend/resume ? | 11:33 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 411851 in sl-modem-daemon "slmodemd not restarted on resume" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/411851 | 11:33 |
| geser | huats: yes | 11:34 |
| eMerzh | If someone want to review my package at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman ... thanks | 11:37 |
| huats | geser: give me 1h I am about to eat :) | 11:40 |
| directhex | eMerzh, VERY minor style point, missing comma in deps in debian/control | 11:40 |
| eMerzh | erf...ok:) | 11:40 |
| directhex | eMerzh, and i don't think including a README.source is usual unless you're altering an upstream tarball | 11:41 |
| directhex | eMerzh, otherwise, i like it. it's well-packaged IMHO. | 11:42 |
| eMerzh | ok...thanks | 11:43 |
| directhex | no, i can't advocate, i'm not a DD | 11:43 |
| directhex | ehm, MOTU | 11:45 |
| directhex | whoops | 11:45 |
| eMerzh | hehe....i 'll corret this and ask again :) | 11:46 |
| AnAnt | where can I ask about suspend/resume & pm-utils ? | 11:47 |
| slytherin | directhex: eMerzh: reame.source is needed if you are using a patch system. | 11:59 |
| directhex | slytherin, srsly? is that in the policy someplace? | 11:59 |
| slytherin | directhex: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/README.sourceHowTo | 12:01 |
| slytherin | directhex: policy 3.8.0 | 12:01 |
| directhex | slytherin, at least it's only a recommended, so i won't be shot | 12:04 |
| ScottK | It's required by 3.8.0. | 12:07 |
| c_korn | the build of scilab-5.1 fails. but it succeeds in a ppa. the error is about empty translation files. can someone help me what to do? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23510243/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-lpia.scilab_5.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 12:09 |
| geser | c_korn: that's easy: remove the empty po file in the clean target: [ -s modules/scipad/locales/fr_FR/scipad.po ] || rm -f modules/scipad/locales/fr_FR/scipad.po | 12:12 |
| geser | and so on for the others | 12:12 |
| c_korn | geser: is "install/scilab::" the right target to put that in? | 12:18 |
| geser | c_korn: that should work too, as long as the empty po files are removed before the deb gets build | 12:21 |
| slytherin | geser: if the files need to be removed before the deb gets built then install isn't the right target, is it? | 12:23 |
| geser | slytherin: the debs gets build in the binary* target which usually depend on the build and install targets | 12:25 |
| slytherin | Oh, I always thought it gets in install target. :-( | 12:25 |
| geser | the install target only runs "make install" (or any equivalent) so the files are copied to the place from where the deb gets build | 12:26 |
| c_korn | slytherin may be right, because there are other commands in the install target already and I do not see them executed in the build log. so they are executed after the error I think | 12:26 |
| c_korn | http://pastebin.com/d15e454e9 | 12:27 |
| c_korn | this is the debian/rules file | 12:28 |
| geser | pkgstriptranslations is called almost at the end of the build, only a few calls follow it, so it must be an other reason why the install/scilab target isn't called | 12:32 |
| sistpoty|work | hi folks | 12:35 |
| directhex | hello sistpoty|work | 12:36 |
| sistpoty|work | hi directhex | 12:36 |
| geser | c_korn: install/scilab isn't run on lpia as scilab is arch:all | 12:39 |
| geser | if you look at the i386 build log you will find the calls from install/scilab there | 12:39 |
| c_korn | geser: ah, yes. I see | 12:40 |
| c_korn | so what is the right target? | 12:40 |
| geser | c_korn: I'd propose the clean target | 12:43 |
| c_korn | geser: hm, but won't that be in the diff.gz afterwards because clean is called when debuild -S -sa? maybe I should write patches to delete those files? | 12:45 |
| geser | c_korn: delete files don't appear in the .diff.gz | 12:50 |
| c_korn | hm, ok | 12:51 |
| eMerzh | thanks for the note slytherin ... i'll just correct the comma then... | 12:51 |
| eMerzh | slytherin, or directhex in fact... where must i put the comma? :s | 12:52 |
| directhex | eMerzh, you were missing a space, you have foo,bar somewhere | 12:52 |
| eMerzh | directhex, ok ... sorry :D | 12:53 |
| c_korn | geser: I will reupload scilab to revu. some has to upload it to jaunty again | 12:54 |
| geser | c_korn: open a sponsoring bug with the debdiff between jaunty and the new version | 12:56 |
| c_korn | geser: can I attach the debdiff in bug 272264 and reopen it? | 13:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 272264 in getdeb.net "FeatureFreezeException: Please sync scilab-5.1 (multiverse) from PPA" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272264 | 13:00 |
| geser | sure, that works too (but don't forget to close it again in your changelog entry) | 13:02 |
| c_korn | geser: like that? " * debian/rules: Remove empty translation files (Closes LP: #272264)" | 13:03 |
| geser | c_korn: yes | 13:06 |
| DktrKranz | c_korn: commented for scilab | 13:10 |
| c_korn | DktrKranz: thanks. I used sbuild for testing in clean chroot | 13:11 |
| DktrKranz | having that package inside a chroot helps to triage those kinds of FTBFS | 13:12 |
| DktrKranz | (or to avoid them as well) | 13:12 |
| huats | geser: I am back | 13:15 |
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| geser | huats: and I'm still here :) | 13:16 |
| huats | geser: great | 13:17 |
| huats | geser: so I am finally taking care of python-webkit.... | 13:17 |
| huats | sorry for the delay | 13:17 |
| huats | for the python2.6 migration | 13:17 |
| geser | huats: no problem, it's not like python-webkit is the last package to transition | 13:17 |
| huats | is it ? | 13:17 |
| huats | do you have some link for this transition ? | 13:18 |
| huats | so that I can have a look at what needs to be done... | 13:18 |
| huats | or is it a simple rebuild stuff ? | 13:18 |
| geser | huats: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027528.html | 13:19 |
| huats | geser: ok | 13:19 |
| huats | I am having a look | 13:19 |
| huats | and I let you know | 13:19 |
| geser | huats: over 200 (binary) packages still have a dependency on python < 2.6 | 13:20 |
| huats | ok | 13:20 |
| huats | i though you were ironic :) | 13:20 |
| DktrKranz | huats: the best way I approach at them is using edos-debcheck, so you could have a look at it for targeted packages | 13:21 |
| huats | ok | 13:21 |
| DktrKranz | don't remember the exact command, but man pages is cool | 13:21 |
| huats | ok | 13:22 |
| directhex | DktrKranz, did you see my awesome collection of sync bugs for mono 2.0 lib transitioning? mostly done, already! :o (!) | 13:25 |
| DktrKranz | directhex: not yet, I've been mostly offline this week, but I noticed uploads in Debian. Thanks :) | 13:29 |
| Laney | RAWR | 13:29 |
| Laney | super efficient transitioners r us | 13:29 |
| directhex | good arvo, Laney! | 13:29 |
| Laney | yo | 13:29 |
| Laney | I upgraded my work pc to Jaunty and am now xless | 13:29 |
| directhex | Laney, this is my fear about upgrading my new home pc :| | 13:30 |
| directhex | Laney, i hope i can get sound out of intrepid | 13:30 |
| DktrKranz | Laney: it's not ubuntu fault, it's because of global warming | 13:30 |
| Laney | yeah, but if it's new then you have nothing to lose (except time) | 13:30 |
| Laney | DktrKranz: You mean I've gone back in time to before we had a problem? | 13:30 |
| * Laney is so 1970s about now | 13:30 | |
| DktrKranz | Laney: you have the best GUI available, a TTY | 13:31 |
| c_korn | geser: I attached the debdiff and set the bug status to incomplete: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/scilab/+bug/272264/comments/43 | 13:31 |
| DktrKranz | :) | 13:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 272264 in getdeb.net "FeatureFreezeException: Please sync scilab-5.1 (multiverse) from PPA" [Medium,Fix released] | 13:31 |
| Laney | getdeb?!?! | 13:31 |
| directhex | is there a way to check the parameters on a module? | 13:31 |
| DktrKranz | c_korn: you have to use another revision for that | 13:32 |
| c_korn | oh, so it is 0ubuntu2 ? | 13:32 |
| DktrKranz | yes | 13:34 |
| DktrKranz | you can't reuse an already uploaded revision | 13:34 |
| DktrKranz | you can, if you like REJECT mails :) | 13:34 |
| directhex | i don't like those :< | 13:35 |
| savvas | decompyle package is removed | 13:35 |
| savvas | ..and awaiting the response for bmpx (bug 337659) | 13:35 |
| DktrKranz | directhex: especially Debian side ;) | 13:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 337659 in bmpx "RM: bmpx -- RoM; unmaintained upstream, uses outdated libraries" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337659 | 13:35 |
| directhex | DktrKranz, 2 months i've been waiting on moon i NEW. 2 months!!! | 13:36 |
| DktrKranz | directhex: is NEW shrinking now? | 13:36 |
| * DktrKranz has two packages in | 13:37 | |
| directhex | Package count in NEW: 361 | Total Package count: 410 | 13:37 |
| DktrKranz | gah! | 13:37 |
| directhex | indeed | 13:38 |
| DktrKranz | for package in NEW: | 13:38 |
| DktrKranz | reject(package) | 13:38 |
| directhex | DktrKranz, i think it's spinlocking or something ;) | 13:38 |
| DktrKranz | heh | 13:39 |
| DktrKranz | I hope to see 3.0 packages support soon | 13:39 |
| c_korn | DktrKranz: is this debdiff fine? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/scilab/+bug/272264/comments/44 | 13:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 272264 in getdeb.net "FeatureFreezeException: Please sync scilab-5.1 (multiverse) from PPA" [Medium,Fix released] | 13:43 |
| ScottK | directhex: I had one come out of New recently, so there is some motion. | 13:44 |
| directhex | ScottK, binary new or source new? (even though the ftpmaster page doesn't distinguish) | 13:44 |
| ScottK | directhex: Source and they do distinguish. Binary usually gets done more quickly. | 13:45 |
| DktrKranz | c_korn: not yet. You should use dch -i to add a new changelog entry, instead of mangling current one | 13:45 |
| c_korn | argh, I will get into it :P | 13:45 |
| directhex | ScottK, they distinguish in reality, but the ftp-master wobsite shows them both in the same queue, which is false | 13:46 |
| DktrKranz | directhex: ftp-master's NEW page is confusing, it lists binary NEW pkgs too, and it's really hard to say which are source NEW. I hope they have a better approach. | 13:49 |
| directhex | DktrKranz, someone did some hacking on that page recently. was it NCommander? | 13:49 |
| broonie | They're all equally NEW, the distinction is moer in teh internal sorting that DAK does. | 13:50 |
| ScottK | directhex: 'false' is really far too strong a word. | 13:51 |
| * broonie nods ScottK | 13:51 | |
| directhex | perhaps it'd be clearer to me what was happening if i read debian-devel | 13:54 |
| directhex | but i try to avoid places that j00rg schilling might be | 13:54 |
| DktrKranz | :) | 13:54 |
| DktrKranz | directhex: once he mailed me | 13:54 |
| cody-somerville | ScottK, can you ack bug #193818 ? | 13:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 193818 in gnomescan "Please update to latest 0.6" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193818 | 13:54 |
| broonie | directhex: There's one NEW queue. ftp-master process it in an order of their choosing (eg, doing quick things if they have little time). | 13:54 |
| directhex | DktrKranz, oh, me too. i had the audacity to file a bug on cdda2wav | 13:55 |
| broonie | directhex: the software provides a default sort for the queue when they go look at it which brings binary NEW stuff to the front. | 13:55 |
| broonie | (ftpmaster here being the humans that fulfil that role rather than the machine) | 13:55 |
| DktrKranz | directhex: mine was worse, he mailed me without previous contact by my side | 13:56 |
| DktrKranz | he saw I uploaded a revision of a similar package, and asked me some stuff about cdrtools | 13:57 |
| ScottK | cody-somerville: My first question would be why did slangasek decline it for Jaunty? | 13:57 |
| cody-somerville | ScottK, I imagine because someone nominated before FF or something. | 13:57 |
| cody-somerville | ScottK, However, in comment #16, he asks me if I could look at it this release | 13:58 |
| c_korn | DktrKranz: is this finally well done? http://pastebin.com/d7106162b | 13:58 |
| ScottK | cody-somerville: How tested is your new package? | 13:58 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 13:58 |
| cody-somerville | ScottK, I'm just building it now | 13:58 |
| cody-somerville | ScottK, However, 0.4 is rather obsolete. | 13:59 |
| DktrKranz | c_korn: much better now (at least for syntax). | 13:59 |
| NCommander | directhex, broonie, no, dak only had source NEWs, no binary NEWs like Ubuntu | 13:59 |
| NCommander | the binaries you are seeing are the binaries uploaded with the source package | 13:59 |
| c_korn | DktrKranz: should it be a for loop? | 14:00 |
| ScottK | cody-somerville: OK. Tell me after you've tested it works (not just build) and sign up to be bug contact and I'll ack it. | 14:00 |
| directhex | broonie, i don't doubt that ftpmaster is a thankless, tedious, never-ending job, but it would be nice to get a better handle on why things can end up taking aeons. 2 months is a very long time, and the number of packages in NEW right now is mad. presumably there is post-release "stuff" to be done? | 14:00 |
| StevenK | NCommander: Actually, binary NEW is handled at the same time as source NEW | 14:01 |
| broonie | Some of it is folks taking a break after release. | 14:01 |
| broonie | NCommander: Not the case, *all* new binaries are NEW. | 14:01 |
| broonie | directhex: Some of it will be stuff being deliberately held up for transitions too. | 14:02 |
| directhex | broonie, ftpmaster goes on holiday just as everyone else is saying "lenny is out? quick, break the archive!" :D | 14:02 |
| DktrKranz | c_korn: not necessarily | 14:02 |
| NCommander | StevenK, dak uses the override for the source package, it doesn't have the concept of binary NEW unless I'm very much mistaken. | 14:02 |
| cody-somerville | ScottK, k | 14:02 |
| StevenK | NCommander: You're mistaken | 14:02 |
| broonie | NCommander: You're mistaken. | 14:02 |
| * StevenK high fives broonie | 14:02 | |
| ScottK | Is there an echo in here? | 14:02 |
| broonie | (IIRC the actual implementation is that everything *must* have an override so things without an override are NEW). | 14:03 |
| c_korn | DktrKranz: well, a simple "find . -name '*.po' -empty -delete" would be better? | 14:03 |
| DktrKranz | directhex: but people prepare NEW and keep them under the pillow to push it right after release, just to "break stuff" (tm) | 14:03 |
| NCommander | So I upload a package through dak, the source package and the initial binaries go through, the binaries for other architectures don't get stuck in a NEW queue like on Ubuntu | 14:03 |
| broonie | directhex: In general there's never been any guarantee on new processing and it does get backed up from time to time. | 14:03 |
| DktrKranz | c_korn: I guess they're equivalent | 14:04 |
| broonie | directhex: If it's particularly urgent then pinging *may* help, providing it doesn't annoy anyone :) | 14:04 |
| DktrKranz | just do not delete good translations, the other point is just cosmetic | 14:04 |
| directhex | broonie, i'm not looking for an SLA, just a general "waa, i'm right near the top but it's been *ages*" | 14:04 |
| directhex | broonie, absolutely people are entitled to time off | 14:04 |
| james_w | NCommander: but if you add a -dbg package in the next upload that will hit NEW | 14:05 |
| broonie | NCommander: Yes, the override is arch all | 14:05 |
| directhex | DktrKranz, well, yes, you don't want to upload things to unstable whilst testing is frozen | 14:05 |
| DktrKranz | in Italy we say: "patience is for the strong ones" | 14:05 |
| broonie | directhex: The queue has never been officially sorted, often the easy stuff is cherry-picked out first. | 14:05 |
| NCommander | james_w, oh ... sorry, when I think of binNEW, I think of Ubuntu's binNEW, as a per archietecture override. | 14:05 |
| NCommander | james_w, your right thats how dak works, but I wasn't thinking about it in the same terms. | 14:05 |
| directhex | DktrKranz, in the uk, we say "move yer arse!" | 14:06 |
| c_korn | DktrKranz: ok, thanks. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/scilab/+bug/272264/comments/45 now I should wait for mok0? | 14:06 |
| directhex | ;) | 14:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 272264 in getdeb.net "FeatureFreezeException: Please sync scilab-5.1 (multiverse) from PPA" [Medium,Fix released] | 14:06 |
| DktrKranz | directhex: heh. we like sleeping :) | 14:06 |
| DktrKranz | c_korn: I haven't a build server handy, I'll probably review it this evening | 14:17 |
| DktrKranz | but thanks for the debdiff :) | 14:17 |
| c_korn | well the 0ubuntu1 made it to the install target. and this change should fix the translation error. | 14:17 |
| c_korn | DktrKranz: so are you assigned to scilab now? or should I tell mok0 when he comes online? | 14:30 |
| DktrKranz | c_korn: I can do it as well, but if mok0 (or someone else) grabs it first, I can't argue | 14:34 |
| c_korn | ok | 14:35 |
| DktrKranz | my main interest is to process FFe quicker once approved | 14:35 |
| c_korn | yeah, I know. FF is far over. now there needs some other work to be done | 14:36 |
| DktrKranz | or catching up regressions in time | 14:37 |
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| RainCT | uhm.. indicator-applet isn't working here | 15:02 |
| RainCT | wow, I've found an emoticon representing jono -> http://flames.aptivastudio.com/images/smilies/icon_e_ugeek.gif *g* | 15:06 |
| james_w | heh | 15:07 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 15:08 |
| directhex | hello bddebian | 15:09 |
| bddebian | Hi directhex | 15:09 |
| pochu | any native speaker? what is correct, "a speficied port" or "an specified port" | 15:52 |
| pochu | I could also use "a given port" :) | 15:52 |
| directhex | a | 15:55 |
| directhex | technically, you use "an" to add a consonant between a and a word starting with a vowel | 15:55 |
| directhex | so "an apple" instead of "a apple" | 15:55 |
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| Zarel | Vowel sound, to be exact. | 16:04 |
| Zarel | Hence little exceptions like "an hour" | 16:04 |
| directhex | oh, yes | 16:05 |
| directhex | whoopsie | 16:05 |
| ScottK | jpds: There was a bug against MoM with a patch for grab-merge.sh to use https. Please make sure the version you are putting into ubuntu-dev-tools has that fix. | 16:07 |
| Toadstool | now I feel stupid, I was so convinced the next motu council meeting is tomorrow :p | 16:14 |
| Laney | when was it? | 16:15 |
| Aquina | today? | 16:15 |
| Toadstool | next week :) | 16:15 |
| Laney | heh | 16:15 |
| Aquina | So what about the marble packet? :D | 16:15 |
| Aquina | oh.. | 16:15 |
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| ScottK | jpds: Of course now I can't find the bug. It was just changing http/https throughout. | 16:24 |
| ScottK | jpds: So I checked and it's the right one. Nevermind. | 16:30 |
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| vadi2 | What is the proper way to supercede a package? (for example, the program was renamed) | 17:32 |
| slangasek | ScottK: because there are no controls on who nominates what for release, and all kinds of bugs show up on the nomination list that there's no reason we should track release-wise | 17:34 |
| ScottK | slangasek: OK. Sounds reasonable. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't something more specific. Thanks. | 17:35 |
| maix | hi, is there a way to say "this packages requires package xy in a version between 1.0 and 2.0"? | 17:36 |
| maix | i cannot find docs about the requires header anywhere | 17:36 |
| ScottK | Use two separate depends. One for the less than and one for the greater than. | 17:37 |
| goshawk | RainCT: hi | 17:38 |
| ScottK | maix: python (<< 2.7), python (>= 2.6), is a real live example from a package. | 17:39 |
| vadi2 | how can I make it so package B supercedes package A, but when package A is removed, it doesn't want to remove package B? | 17:39 |
| maix | ok thanks | 17:39 |
| maix | what's the difference between << and < ? | 17:39 |
| maix | i know that from maths, but what does that mean with packages? | 17:39 |
| jpds | ScottK: OK (I thought they fixed the mod_ssl stuff). | 17:40 |
| jdong | maix: < > are not accepted | 17:41 |
| maix | oh *g* | 17:41 |
| jdong | see man deb-control for more info | 17:42 |
| maix | ah that's helpful, thanks | 17:43 |
| maix | another question: why is 1.0 and 1 not the same version? | 17:43 |
| ScottK | maix: Because they aren't the same. | 17:44 |
| maix | well ;) | 17:45 |
| jdong | maix: man deb-version? :) | 17:45 |
| jdong | (see under Sorting Algorithm) | 17:46 |
| jdong | the short answer is that it makes the sorting algorithm a simple concise no-surprises lexicographical comparison like traditional string-comparison operators. | 17:46 |
| maix | hm | 17:47 |
| maix | is there some convention to never use trailing .0s or something like that? | 17:47 |
| jdong | you mean in the debian/ubuntu part of the version string? | 17:48 |
| maix | no, anywhere | 17:50 |
| maix | or how shall i compare that else? | 17:50 |
| jdong | well we have no control (no pun intended) over how upstream projects version their projects. | 17:51 |
| maix | shall i write << 2.0 or << 2 or << 2.0.0 ? | 17:51 |
| jdong | that depends on how upstream versions their projects. | 17:51 |
| maix | of course, but one could change it | 17:51 |
| jdong | but for all intents and purposes they'd probably all do the same thing. | 17:51 |
| jdong | depending on how specifically upstream versions their product :) | 17:52 |
| Zarel_ | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/warzone2100 | 17:52 |
| maix | ah i'll just use 1.0, thats greater than 1 anyways so there'll be no problem | 17:53 |
| Zarel_ | What does "current" mean in this context? -> intrepid current | 17:53 |
| maix | thank you two though | 17:53 |
| jdong | Zarel_: the latest released version of Ubuntu. | 17:54 |
| jdong | the field refers to the status of the Ubuntu release to the left. | 17:54 |
| Zarel_ | jdong: So if it's "current", that means it should get bugfix updates, right? | 17:54 |
| jdong | Zarel_: in accordance to the StableReleaseUpdates policy. | 17:55 |
| jdong | !sru | 17:55 |
| ubottu | Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 17:55 |
| jdong | that also applies to supported. | 17:55 |
| Zarel_ | So only major bugs get fixed? :( | 18:01 |
| eMerzh | i'm looking for an advocate by a motu for my package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman .... thanks :) | 18:20 |
| ScottK | !backports | Zarel | 18:20 |
| ubottu | Zarel: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging | 18:20 |
| Laney | huats: are you OK with python-webkitgtk? Noticed you said you were unwell earlier | 18:27 |
| Laney | jcfp: And you with sabnzbd? | 18:29 |
| Laney | chasing up a few uninstallable apps | 18:29 |
| jcfp | Laney: it's in the works, python-support giving me trouble although I seem to have found a way around that now | 18:30 |
| Laney | excellent | 18:30 |
| Laney | let me know and I'll sponsor it right away | 18:30 |
| Laney | oh, wait, it needed an FFe | 18:31 |
| Laney | let me know after you have that ;) | 18:31 |
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| jcfp | Laney: if I patch the app to use /usr/bin/python2.5 in the shebang line, set debian/pyversions to 2.5 only and build in jaunty, ${Python:Depends} expands to include a hard depend on python (<< 2.6) which is uninstallable. | 18:44 |
| Laney | guh | 18:44 |
| jcfp | If I leave pyversions empty, it works fine; anything that includes 2.6 (like "2.5,2.6" or "2.5-") also works although the automatic deps on python don't make too much sense to me. | 18:44 |
| Laney | I'm really not very expert at python packaging | 18:45 |
| Laney | you might ask #debian-python or whatever their channel is | 18:45 |
| Laney | or wait for someone who knows more | 18:45 |
| huats | Laney: I am fine thanks | 18:45 |
| Laney | ah, good | 18:46 |
| huats | I am about to publish it | 18:46 |
| huats | thaks Laney | 18:46 |
| Laney | \o/ | 18:46 |
| jcfp | I might just try asking on debian-python too, altough they haven't moved to python 2.6 yet | 18:47 |
| slytherin | need a bit help with gcc. I have a file which uses rand function (defined in stdlib.h). Even if the stdlib.h file is included I get error with gcc, undefined reference. | 18:48 |
| maxb | slytherin: could you pastebin buildlog? | 18:55 |
| slytherin | maxb: found the problem. wrong return type. :-( | 18:56 |
| Laney | Anyone able to help with some python/boost fun? Miro fails to build (and I'm told it is incompatible with 2.6 anyway) with errors relating to boost-python. http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/miro_ftbfs.txt | 19:03 |
| slytherin | StevenK: please let me know if I should file a bug for this. ubuntu-network-remix has dependency on cupsys-driver-gutenprint which is transition package. Also it has dependency on ubuntu-artwork which is redundant IMHO since there is also dependency on human-netbook-theme | 19:29 |
| fabrice_sp | Hi huats. anjuta is FTBFS. As I think I'm able to fix it, do you let me touch the package? | 19:29 |
| khashayar | Pencil (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=5149) is in good shape now and needs a couple of advocates. Is anyone up for it? (FYI, we're filing a FF exception for it). Thanks. | 19:30 |
| geser | fabrice_sp: create a patch and get it sponsored | 19:31 |
| fabrice_sp | geser, that's just the huats uploaded it few days ago, so I was wondering if he was working on it | 19:33 |
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| jelmer | Is there some way to mark a bugreport relevant only to intrepid? | 19:42 |
| jelmer | I can see how to report a *new* bug for just intrepid, but moving an existing one seems to be harder | 19:43 |
| ScottK | jelmer: Yes. Nominate for release and then mark it fixed/invalid/etc overall | 19:43 |
| ScottK | jelmer: I didn't hear back from you so I'm updating samba4. | 19:43 |
| jelmer | ScottK: Sorry | 19:43 |
| jelmer | ScottK: Ok | 19:44 |
| ScottK | jelmer: For future reference (when Debian gets 2.6) the changes are build-dep python2.5-dev -> python-dev and site-packages/*-packages in rules and the .install for the two python packages. | 19:45 |
| jelmer | ScottK, cool, thanks | 19:46 |
| huats | fabrice_sp: I have uploaded a new version today | 19:48 |
| huats | to fix that | 19:48 |
| fabrice_sp | ok. I'll look for others FTBFS :-) | 19:49 |
| fabrice_sp | thanks huats | 19:49 |
| huats | no problem fab | 19:49 |
| huats | no problem fabrice_sp | 19:49 |
| huats | and thanks :) | 19:49 |
| fabrice_sp | you can call me Fab ;-) | 19:50 |
| huats | fabrice_sp: it is easier with the completion :) | 19:50 |
| fabrice_sp | lol yes | 19:51 |
| Andre_Gondim | I'm trying to pack one program, but I don't if this debian/control file is correct http://paste.ubuntu.com/126894/ | 19:51 |
| miik | why you dont put LimeWire in repo?? | 19:59 |
| hyperair | miik: LimeWire isn't free. | 20:00 |
| miik | but its GPL | 20:02 |
| miik | wikipedia says so | 20:02 |
| miik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LimeWire -- License GNU General Public License | 20:02 |
| hyperair | hmm seriously? | 20:05 |
| hyperair | interesting | 20:05 |
| hyperair | well why don't you package it then? =) | 20:05 |
| huats | fabrice_sp: as you can see https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/anjuta/2:2.25.902-0ubuntu2 anjuta builds now :) | 20:05 |
| hyperair | either way i think limewire's crippleware. limewire pro is where all the features are | 20:05 |
| jdong | heh it's not exactly without its marred history in the past. | 20:05 |
| jdong | I guess the correct answer to the question now is "because nobody has cared enough to put the time into packaging it" | 20:06 |
| hyperair | miik: i'd concentrate on frostwire. | 20:06 |
| miik | hyperair, icant find that in repo either | 20:06 |
| hyperair | but that has some issues with licensing or whatever | 20:06 |
| hyperair | miik: yeah because there were licensing issues or something | 20:06 |
| hyperair | even if it says it's GPL | 20:06 |
| hyperair | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/94011 | 20:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 94011 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Frostwire" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 20:07 |
| * slytherin loves transmission | 20:07 | |
| miik | oh | 20:07 |
| jdong | indeed. | 20:07 |
| jdong | not MUCH different from the azureus debacles in the past. | 20:07 |
| jdong | i.e. the main thing is FOSS but they bundle a couple native precompiled libs | 20:08 |
| miik | but smeone put frostwire request 2 years ago | 20:08 |
| miik | they dont put it in repo | 20:08 |
| jdong | and figuring out what the heck they are is more of a challenge than expected. | 20:08 |
| jdong | does the upsteram source STILL bundle precompiled libraries? | 20:08 |
| ScottK | miik: There are a lot more requests than people willing to do the work. | 20:08 |
| miik | :( | 20:09 |
| miik | well, what does all the guys mark pays does? | 20:09 |
| rgreening | ScottK: I started on it.. but ran into packaging issues :) | 20:09 |
| ScottK | .jar is a binary, right? | 20:09 |
| * ScottK knows about zip about Java | 20:09 | |
| jdong | ScottK: in most cases yes | 20:09 |
| jdong | ScottK: it's a ... no pun intended.. zip file. | 20:09 |
| miik | i wish redhat, gentoo, ubuntu, suse all shared repository | 20:09 |
| jdong | in it can be source or .class binaries | 20:09 |
| ScottK | limewire is chock full of them. | 20:09 |
| slytherin | ScottK: you can say that | 20:09 |
| jdong | a "runnable tarball" if that sounds any better :D | 20:10 |
| slytherin | does anyone know how to debug issues with cdrom device access? | 20:11 |
| ScottK | miik: It'd take a person who was reasonably expert in Java, Debian packaging, and licensing to go through their tarball as see if it was actually legal to go in the repositories. | 20:11 |
| miik | its GPL, i would assume it is... | 20:12 |
| ScottK | miik: One common problem we hit with Java packages is they are licensed GPL so was can't distribute without the source, but then they don't provide the source. | 20:12 |
| miik | oh | 20:12 |
| jdong | miik: a lot of things say they are GPL are not truly GPL compliant :) | 20:12 |
| ScottK | So without that, we can't have it in the repo at all. | 20:12 |
| miik | oh | 20:12 |
| miik | but if i want use limewire on windows, i can just do that... | 20:12 |
| miik | but on ubuntu, i cant =/ | 20:13 |
| ScottK | Dunno if that's the case here at all. | 20:13 |
| jdong | well if it is truly Java it shouldn't be hard to run from jar. | 20:13 |
| ScottK | Limeware could make .debs and distribute them. We can't. | 20:13 |
| rgreening | Limewire has debs iirc | 20:13 |
| rgreening | and so does frostwire | 20:13 |
| slytherin | does limewire or frostwire use bittorrent protocol? | 20:14 |
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| jdong | slytherin: partly | 20:15 |
| jdong | they support it but AFAIK theyare primarily gnutella-ish clients | 20:15 |
| RainCT | thekorn: nice screencast :) | 20:17 |
| slytherin | packaging big java application from scratch can be frustrating experience at times. I experienced it first hand with jmeter. | 20:18 |
| thekorn | RainCT, thanks, I plan to push leonov a bit more over the next few weeks | 20:20 |
| miik | well aslong as you cant run open source software on linux, it seems windows is a better platform for running open source software | 20:20 |
| miik | open source software is better supported on windows than on linux | 20:20 |
| miik | i can run limewire on windows, but not on linux | 20:20 |
| miik | so people should migrate from linux to windows in order to better use open source software to save costs and get a lower tco | 20:21 |
| miik | i can use cross-platform applications such as limewire on windows | 20:25 |
| slytherin | miik: one application != open source software. | 20:25 |
| miik | but i cannot use cross-platform applications on linux | 20:25 |
| miik | there are thousand applications | 20:26 |
| miik | just needs-packaging on bugs.ubuntu.com | 20:26 |
| slytherin | miik: and I fail to understand why you can't run limewire as distributed by their website on linux | 20:26 |
| fabrice_sp | huats, great! :-) You just added a build dependency, right? Oh: I can see it in the changelog :-) By the way, it still appears as FTBFS in ubuntuwire | 20:28 |
| slytherin | RainCT: which screencast are you talking about? | 20:29 |
| slytherin | fabrice_sp: ftbfs page usually takes a day for update. | 20:30 |
| fabrice_sp | ok | 20:30 |
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| fabrice_sp | by the way, I have a sync request that has been acked to authorize the FFE. Do I nned to subscribe MOTU or directly the Arhcive admin? | 20:32 |
| fabrice_sp | it's bug #336904 | 20:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 336904 in openvas-libnasl "Please sync openvas-libnasl 2.0.0-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/336904 | 20:33 |
| Laney | do you need sponsorship? | 20:33 |
| slytherin | fabrice_sp: i believe motu since someone will need to add an ack that it builds fine. | 20:33 |
| thekorn | slytherin, I *think* he talked about http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23523147/leonov_multible_content_MainContent.ogv | 20:34 |
| fabrice_sp | Laney, I just applied yesterday to U-C-D, so no upload rights for the moment :-) | 20:34 |
| Laney | then you need sponsorship | 20:34 |
| Laney | u-u-s it is! | 20:34 |
| fabrice_sp | ok. As motu-release members are motus, I had a doubt. Thanks! | 20:35 |
| fabrice_sp | thanks Laney and slytherin | 20:35 |
| * slytherin calls it a day | 20:38 | |
| Laney | oh dear | 20:39 |
| RainCT | thekorn: Great. I'd get back to do some work, but I'm already overloaded with other stuff and school :( | 20:39 |
| Laney | muting my audio makes a horrible sound come out of the speakers | 20:39 |
| huats | fabrice_sp: I guess there is a cache.. that is why it is still FTBFS | 20:51 |
| Laney | anyone got a sync ack script? | 20:55 |
| ajmitch | why would you use a script for such a thing? :) | 20:56 |
| Laney | because otherwise acking is several clicks | 20:57 |
| ajmitch | though you'd at least be looking at the LP bug anyway | 20:57 |
| ScottK | Laney: I'd suggest filing bugs against LP asking for the workflow to be streamlined. | 20:58 |
| Laney | ScottK: Isn't syncing support coming to LP anyway? | 20:58 |
| ScottK | Laney: I've heard so. | 20:59 |
| Laney | me too | 20:59 |
| ScottK | No idea if it's actually going to happen. | 20:59 |
| * Laney asks | 20:59 | |
| joaopinto | what is the max allowed length for a package name ? | 21:09 |
| RainCT | joaopinto: how long is your name? | 21:17 |
| joaopinto | RainCT, that does not answer my question, I am defining a table and I need a max value for the package name field | 21:18 |
| joaopinto | that is not | 21:18 |
| RainCT | joaopinto: Debian Policy doesn't say anything about the length (file:///usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Package) | 21:20 |
| joaopinto | RainCT, I have read the policy :P | 21:20 |
| maxb | I don't think there is a maximum length. In practice it's a matter of "Don't be silly, or the archive admins will reject it from NEW" | 21:21 |
| RainCT | joaopinto: Looking at package names on Synaptic, I guess with 50 characters you'll be save.. (But I'm just guessing!) | 21:23 |
| joaopinto | ok, i'll use 80 just in case | 21:23 |
| maxb | libmaypole-plugin-authentication-usersessioncookie-perl is 55 chars :-) | 21:25 |
| maxb | and 1.9.1~b3~hg20090205r23182+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 is the longest version string, at 44 chars! | 21:26 |
| joaopinto | ouch, i need to increase the version len | 21:27 |
| maxb | whilst the longest Source field is "openoffice.org-dictionaries (1:3.0.1~rc1-3ubuntu1)" at 50 chars | 21:28 |
| * porthose kicks his router for being a pain in the arse | 21:37 | |
| porthose | sorry for the noise | 21:37 |
| RainCT | porthose: bah, I've done worse monologues ;) | 21:40 |
| c_korn | as I see scilab was uploaded again. where can I see it waiting for building? | 21:45 |
| porthose | RainCT: it's getting a little old, probable need to replace it;-) | 21:46 |
| RainCT | c_korn: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scilab | 21:52 |
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| RainCT | c_korn: click on the version number and perhaps some other links and you'll end up at a page with info about the build | 21:52 |
| c_korn | RainCT: ah thanks. I did not find the link to launchpad.../+source | 21:53 |
| Laney | nice work huats! (py-webkit-gtk) | 21:54 |
| * Laney waits expectantly for a build | 21:54 | |
| mok0 | c_korn: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+builds?build_text=scilab&build_state=all | 22:04 |
| mok0 | c_korn: still pending | 22:04 |
| c_korn | mok0: I see. it should build fine now (hopefully) | 22:05 |
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