[00:07] LjL, i rang the hospital, and they said that i should just drink clear fluids and call back if things get worse [00:08] osmosal [00:09] elky: did you also hear someone in the background crying "no, we're full"? :) [00:48] nope [00:49] good [00:53] LjL, are you watcing -ot? [00:54] elky: was mostly just ranting about microsoft without looking at what other said [00:56] elky: if they're saying something particularly bad, i'm afraid i don't get it [00:56] and suicide [00:59] elky: anyway you must be feeling better if you can actually read -ot without having the cramps? [01:00] the cramps are still happening, but not as often as they were [01:00] i guess some of the water is getting through [01:01] the throwing up was most likely directly caused by the cramping [02:35] Huufarted called the ops in #ubuntu (thegamez) [02:43] In #ubuntu, UlaUlaUla said: ubottu: kde4 is already the newest version. [03:38] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [03:38] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [03:38] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [03:41] Looks like there's a troll in texas tonight. [03:43] Mmm, or maybe not. [03:44] What do you think, ban on the ident? [03:48] charlie-tca called the ops in #xubuntu () [04:00] nalioth's on the warpath? [04:01] nickrud: which one would that be? [04:01] the troll in texas [04:02] tampa bay isn't in Texas [04:02] and now, the warpath leading to my door ;) [06:22] I wonder who Zarlan1984 was [06:26] * [Zarlan1984] (n=Zarlan@24.227.218.128): Christopher Zehner [06:27] he reminds me of someone [06:27] probably dash84 or someone like [06:27] and I typoed, bazhang [06:28] Tm_T, sorry to be late on that !attitude :) [06:28] np [06:44] uhm... [06:44] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/337957 [06:44] Launchpad bug 337957 in debian-installer "[Jaunty] installer doesn't ask where to install GRUB and overwrites MBR which contains TrueCrypt Bootloader" [Undecided,New] [06:44] :-| [06:47] bazhang: he is back, mind to look over it? [06:48] Tm_T, have been :) [06:48] who, what, where? [06:48] in #kubuntu [06:48] ok. [06:48] chronic in kubuntu channel [06:48] nick chronic [06:48] * Myrtti relaxes her attention and returns to work [06:48] I just love these moments when my work is about MediaWiki [06:49] bazhang: I'm away now, have fun [06:50] hehe will do [07:03] * elky is much better now. just need to find something bland and fibery to eat now [07:03] yay! [07:03] good to hear elky [07:04] In #ubuntu, Seveas said: !ad is activedirectory [07:05] !activedirectory [07:05] You can learn more about ActiveDirectory intergration at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto [07:05] !ad is activedirectory [07:05] I'll remember that, Myrtti [08:25] !kr [08:25] Sorry, I don't know anything about kr [08:26] is there a korean channel? [08:26] !loco [08:26] Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams [08:26] !ko [08:26] For Korean help, /join #ubuntu-ko [08:27] ohmygawd the access list for that channel is SAD [08:27] [10:27] [freenode] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- User seen : May 15 12:41:33 2007 (1 year, 42 weeks, 0 days, 19:45:43 ago) [08:29] and the population of the channel is whopping... [08:29] 10 [08:30] Myrtti: so your task for to day is: learn korean, join the channel, and yell WORK HARDER! [08:31] the population of South Korea alone is 49 million [08:32] I don't get it [08:33] afaik it's also one of the most wired nations in the world [08:33] I guess they could be using some arbitrary irc network instead of Freenode [08:33] kinda like Finns tend to use IRCnet more than freenode [08:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JiHui%20Choi [08:34] like irc.hanirc.org [08:34] *shrug* [08:34] the finnish ircnet use is historical baggage, can't really attribute it to the technical excellence of the network :( [08:34] I'm almost tempted to poke my nose into business that isn't mine [08:35] ie. suggest that the -ko ownership would be transferred to that jihui choi feller [08:35] who atleast seems to be on irc [08:35] though I have no idea how that could be done with the current access list being what it is [08:35] great launchpad avatar :) [08:36] I guess learning korean could be fun [08:37] Myrtti, so there's nobody in the access list? [08:37] elky: there's one person in the access list, who has been seen by chanserv 1 year, 42 weeks ago [08:38] Gary, around hon? [08:39] though [08:39] https://edge.launchpad.net/~atie-at-matrix/+karma [08:39] so he is active in somewhere else [08:39] * Myrtti steps away, not to stir the waters more [08:41] this atie person lives on some hanirc network. i wonder if that's the korean default destination [08:42] * Myrtti considers sending an email [08:42] probably [08:42] I really should be working and not poking my nose into this [08:42] * Myrtti slaps herself [08:43] elky: yes [08:43] Gary, could the UbuntuIrcCouncil account at least get added to the #ubuntu-ko access list please [08:43] one mo, I cannot do that but I can pester someone who can [08:44] thanks [08:47] elky: I'm going to speak to Christal when she's back on line about panarchy - he's now advertising his distro and requesting people join his channel in other channels [08:47] he's really starting to get on my nerves, everychannel I'm in is spammed every night [08:50] ikonia, make sure you complain to the ops of those channels, and have them join the call [08:51] is he in ubuntu channels doing it still? if so, which? [08:51] elky: I've complained in channel a few times, sad thing is AUS very few ops around, mostly guys just saying "kick him" [08:51] elky: nah, he's out of all ubuntu channels now, I think he's realised that's a dead end [08:59] hm [08:59] !ohmy [08:59] Please watch your language, attitude, and topic to help keep this channel friendly and helpful. Remember, there are kids here! [08:59] I don't like that [08:59] change it [09:00] Myrtti, what do you not like about it? [09:00] I don't know what I'd change it to [09:00] but I don't like the implication that kids are the only reason for being polite and minding your manners [09:00] s/kids/many cultures and ages/ [09:00] PLEASE, THINK OF THE CHILDREN makes me want to puke [09:01] elky: mmm [09:01] as it happens, it causes nausea in most finns lately :) [09:01] Please be caeful of your language and attitude towards people. This channel is aims to provider friendly and helpful support, this means not swearing or abuse in anyway [09:02] ikonia, it's not just for #ubuntu though, so the support aspect is negated. [09:02] why not just get rid of the "Remember, there are kids here!" [09:02] Seeker`: because the most common ... [09:02] Seeker`, because they then argue that there's no qualifier [09:02] oh gawd, I'm loosing words again [09:03] it's the most common false excuse to brush off the !language [09:03] "we're all adults here, you're such pansies, get a grip and gtfo from complaining about my f-ing language" [09:03] yeah [09:04] Please remember that all ubuntu channels share the same attiude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users, this means no swearing and no abuse towards people [09:05] and btw. I thought ohmy was an alias to language... [09:06] ikonia: that would work for -ot channels. people forget that they're still ubuntu land [09:06] Please remember that all ubuntu channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [09:07] elky: better [09:07] !-ohmy [09:07] ohmy has no aliases - added by Spec on 2006-07-28 00:11:42 - last edited by Flannel on 2009-01-20 01:52:23 [09:07] s/all users/all users of different ages and cultures/ [09:08] !Please remember that all ubuntu channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of different ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [09:08] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:08] gah [09:08] !ohmy is Please remember that all ubuntu channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of different ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [09:08] But ohmy already means something else! [09:08] did i broked the bot? [09:09] !no ohmy is [09:09] oh dear god, no [09:09] oh, i'm lagging. yum [09:09] !ohmy [09:09] Please watch your language, attitude, and topic to help keep this channel friendly and helpful. Remember, there are kids here! [09:09] phew [09:09] maybe nice to document ubottu's functions a bit more, I often forget the synatax [09:10] !no ohmy is Please remember that all ubuntu channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of different ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [09:10] I'll remember that Myrtti [09:10] !ohmy [09:10] Please remember that all ubuntu channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of different ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [09:10] ikonia: it's on the wiki, see !bot [09:10] !ohmy ~= /ubuntu/Ubuntu/ [09:10] stdin: has it always been there, and I've just being missing it ? [09:11] c'mon [09:11] * Myrtti massages ubottu [09:11] there has been usage instructions since it was ubotu [09:11] you can do it [09:11] !ohmy [09:11] Please remember that all Ubuntu channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of different ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [09:11] !ohmy ~= /Ubuntu/Ubuntu IRC/ [09:11] I'll remember that Myrtti [09:11] !language [09:11] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [09:12] !-language [09:12] language aliases: langauge, wtf, ffs, foad, gtfo, nsfw - added by Seveas on 2006-07-02 10:45:17 - last edited by PriceChild on 2007-11-11 19:30:13 [09:12] nggghhh [09:13] stdin: clearly I'm blind/moron [09:13] stdin: I see it now [09:13] ikonia: or there's always been people with ubottu-fu so that you haven't had the need to read the documentation [09:15] when I make mistakes people normally correct me so , probbly [09:15] probably [09:15] Myrtti: that's how i've managed to avoid reading man tar all these years [09:16] ikonia: that's why there's many of us instead of one magical $seveas [09:16] team effort ♥ [09:16] yes, always handy to have someone around who knows it off the top of their head [09:17] and I haven't read the documentation for ubottu, ever. [09:18] elky: done [09:19] Gary, ta [09:19] ubottu has documentation now? [09:19] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:19] never knew that [09:26] ubottu: has had a wiki for _ages_ [09:26] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:26] oops [09:29] ikonia: ping [09:31] Myrtti, heh, they noticed, eh? i wonder if they'll still remember next time they tell us we never do anything they want [09:31] hehe [09:32] did someone fix that !language yet? [09:33] i mean, they conveniently forget that i actually start and join in conversations in the channel when it suits them [09:33] !language [09:33] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [09:33] jussi01: ohmy is better now, but idk if I cba to do !language to be an alias to !ohmy [09:33] :-P [09:33] !ohmy [09:33] Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [09:33] language should really be pertaining to the language of the channel [09:33] jussi01: I don't know if it's necessary either [09:34] yeah, Im just thinking that !ohmy is starting to impinge on !attitude territory [09:34] !attitude [09:34] The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [09:34] jussi01, not really [09:35] hrm, thats not the one I was thinking of. but yeah.. [10:44] bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu+1 (chronic) [10:48] bazhang: sorry for the slow response [10:49] ikonia, thanks; I am watching in other channels as he was doing it in #kubuntu as well [10:49] I'm waiting for him to start again in #kubuntu [10:49] I read te backlog [10:49] just waiting for him to /j #ubuntu [10:55] incoming in -ot [10:56] who ? [10:56] chronic [10:57] chronic, you were warned in #kubuntu to stop with foul language and attitude [10:57] chronic, then you joined #ubuntu+1 and continued there anyways [10:58] !coc | chronic [10:58] chronic: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [10:58] !guidelines | chronic [10:58] chronic: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [10:58] why should i be constrained by your petty rules? [10:58] chronic, read those [10:58] chronic: thats enough now [10:58] chronic, you neednt be [10:58] chronic, just depart freenode ubuntu channels [10:58] chronic: if you don't want to follow the ubuntu rules, leave the ubuntu channels, [10:58] chronic: because IRC is not democracy, if you don't follow the rules, you don't need to use the channels. [10:58] chronic: the rules apply to all ubuntu channels [10:59] chronic: do you agree to follow the rules, yes/no ? [11:00] fuck no [11:00] chronic: maybe this network is not for you then [11:00] then feel free to satisfy your curiosity about Ubuntu in some other venues [11:00] chronic: no problem then leave the ubuntu channels [11:00] chronic, please feel free to exit freenode ubuntu channels then [11:01] ♥ [11:01] peace and love for all. [11:01] chronic, you are not even using ubuntu [11:01] what am i using? [11:01] chronic, so why join ubuntu channels [11:02] as you said, you have not switched from windows [11:03] not switched doesn't mean not using linux [11:03] it doesn't matter [11:03] don't follow the rules - don't join the channels [11:03] chronic, you refuse to follow the rules [11:03] why are we continuing on this discussion? [11:03] exactly [11:03] I think it's got no point [11:04] chronic, and you are very abusive to others, even threatening to shoot them in the face with a shotgun [11:04] Myrtti: remove him from offtopic and lets go about our dday [11:04] day [11:04] chronic: was there anything else you want help with in regard the Ubuntu IRC channels in Freenode? [11:04] dude , i said it was a joke, [11:04] this is pointles [11:04] chronic, it is not funny to threaten violence against others [11:04] chronic: ha h... erm. [11:04] :-| [11:05] anyway, boring. [11:05] yes, leave #ubuntu-offtopic and go about your day as your response of "fuck no" to agreeing to the follow the rules does not make you welcome in the ubuntu channels [11:06] you've proved this in 2 channels already, so just find somewhere else that fits in with your approach to IRC [11:06] bazhang, hey it was funny the way i said it, [11:06] thank you [11:06] * Myrtti watches -ot [11:06] Myrtti: just remove him, he said he won't follow the rules [11:06] ziroday, if i had a shotgun i would shoot u in the face, oh wait, i do have a shotgun [11:07] and he's backed that up in other channels [11:07] how fun [11:07] I really didnt see any reason to continue the discussion. [11:07] jussi01_: there wasnt one - follow the rules, "fuck no" end of discussion [11:07] silly boy [11:08] ikonia: he hasn't done anything worth kickban in there yet [11:08] Myrtti: he's made it clear he won't comply with the rules [11:08] Myrtti: and backed it up in other chanels [11:08] why let someone who publicly says they won't follow the ubuntu rules for the channels in [11:08] There is far too much discussion with clearly uncooperative users [11:08] (just my opinion) [11:09] Seeker`++ [11:09] when they are asked if they are going to follow the rules and they reply "fuck no", what exactly do you expect to happen by discussion with them [11:09] but a attempt at catalysing is always worth a go [11:09] Seeker`: exaclty, - bye [11:09] and there we go [11:09] "oh wait sorry i was wrong, I'll stop being an abusive troll because you asked me 3 times"? [11:09] Seeker`: more so after you've hit two are channels to prove you're not willing to follow the rules [11:10] someone can remove the ban in here in a while if you like [11:10] I personally prefer the people actually making the error on the particular channel for them to be kickbanned before doing so pre-emptively [11:11] so I don't have to explain it to the other users and that they also get a first hand experience on what behaviour is not tolerated [11:11] I've catalysed trolls who have turned into valid useful members of the irc network, it can happen [11:11] Gary: +1 [11:11] Gary: there is room [11:12] Gary: not saying that, but with that attitude of "fuck no" it's not going to happen today [11:12] I also would like to think that each user has to be given a choice to behave [11:12] each separate time [11:12] Myrtti: yes, but also how many in one hour [11:12] Myrtti: he hit #ubuntu+1 #kubuntu, #ubuntu-ops with abuse/racism/offense [11:12] Myrtti: and make a clear statment that he would not change [11:12] let him have a day or so out and negotiate a change [11:13] i dont think they should be permanently banned for 1 bad day [11:13] Seeker`: I agree [11:14] but there reaches a point in the discussion that it is clear that they aren't going to change their mind today [11:14] Seeker`: exaclty, # [11:14] exactly [11:14] typically, discussions in here will last 15 minutes or so longer than that point [11:14] with a little time out he may realise that he wants to use the channels and has to abide by a few things to re-gain access [11:14] here was about five seconds [11:14] and that makes me headbutt the desk [11:15] oof [11:15] I have bruises! [11:15] !ouch [11:15] Sorry, I don't know anything about ouch [11:15] hmph [11:15] for example, he was here for over 6 minutes after saying there is no way he would follow the rules [11:16] now in #ubuntu [11:16] * Myrtti loads her gun [11:16] and it just degrades to "dont do that" "i'll do it if i want" "dont do that" "i'll do it if i want" "dont do that" "i'll do it if i want"... [11:16] awww [11:17] ikonia, too qucik [11:17] also quick even [11:17] I hear that all too often :( [11:17] bazhang: quick question, do you have +i set? [11:17] hehe [11:17] jussi01, is that invisible mode? [11:17] Myrtti, i would have taken the direct-to-the-face shotgun threat as being cause for removal [11:18] bazhang: kinda [11:18] jussi01, not sure how would I set? /mode +i ? [11:18] bazhang: when thye whois you they can only see channels you both share that you are in [11:18] elky: sure, but I didn't see that in -offtopic, now did I? [11:18] /mode bazhang +i [11:19] jussi01, thanks much :) [11:19] elky, it was in +1 [11:19] * Gary pm's chronic [11:19] ah [11:19] Gary: thanks [11:20] * elky /wii's chronic and raises an eyebrow at his 'real name' [11:21] I don't usually kick / kickban people for behaviour I've not personally witnessed on the particular channel [11:21] reminiscent of moocow/holycow [11:21] I think escalating issues from #ubuntu in #ubuntu-offtopic isn't The Way To Go. [11:22] the only place where I might kickban person by their behaviour on other channels is here [11:23] I tend to agree with that sentiment. [11:26] I would agree with that, but if a user says in here "I won't follow the ubuntu rules" and backs it up with behaviour in 2 channels, what's the point of letting him hit antoer $X ? [11:26] he's actually warning us in advance "I'm going to be a problem for you" [11:32] that's one way of looking at it. I personally always try to assume good faith. YMMV. [11:33] I think that may not be the best attitude to have when they say "I'm going to cause you a problem" and then start doing so [11:33] its no good treating each channel as a seperate entity like that, because they aren't [11:34] UserX in one channel is the same person as UserX in a different channel [11:34] though often not for long [11:35] Seeker`: that's odd, I'm totally different person on #irssi or #terminator than on any of the Ubuntu namespace channels. [11:35] I'm capable of adjusting my behaviour according to the milieu I'm in [11:35] Myrtti: We have no control over non-ubuntu channels, so they are (at least partly) irrelevant here [11:35] yes, but I'm assuming you're not a complete troll on those channels? [11:36] oh boy :-P [11:36] I can remember being a total troll in #lugradio :-P [11:37] my point is, if someone joins one ubuntu channels, starts playing up, comes in here and says they wont follow the rules, surely they have waived their right to "good faith" [11:37] adjusting your atttitude to fit in with the channels is the key, some channels are loser than others but if someone warns you of how to behave in that channel/channels you've got a choice of following or - not [11:37] but, you ride your horse your way and I use my bike, and if that gets you ahead in life, we're all good. [11:38] * Myrtti sods off back to work [11:41] I read that as 'loser' [11:41] bazhang: that's what it says [11:41] hey! [11:41] kde4 is fine [11:41] meh, pm timesink ftl [11:42] and yes, I wouldn't be surprised if it were holycow... [11:42] * bazhang huggles Gary [11:42] Gary: bleh [11:42] Gary: come and visit me! [11:42] Gary: we love you [11:42] jussi01_: where? [11:42] Gary: you still commuting silly distances / times? [11:43] Gary: in bath, (no, not *in* the bath) [11:43] Seeker`: I live in nottingham Sunday to Friday, and Colchester Friday night to sunday [11:43] Gary: "yes" then :P [11:43] jussi01_: where are you headed after bath? [11:43] home... [11:44] via london [11:44] * Myrtti dances a little jig of 11d, 12h, 5m, 40s! [11:44] hehe [11:44] jussi01_: how long in london? [11:44] BOOMCHACA! [11:44] Seeker`: dunno [11:44] and whereabouts? [11:44] where is bath/ [11:45] again... not sure [11:45] Gary: down by Bristol? [11:45] eek, miles away [11:45] :/ [11:47] jussi01_: you are visiting all the wrong places :P [11:47] very miles away [11:48] 3 hours 50 minutes [11:48] heh [11:48] Gary: if you drive now, you'll make it for an early dinner [11:48] ikonia: lol [11:48] I'm at work [11:48] I reckon its about 2 hours from here to Bath [11:48] maybe a bit longer [11:49] Seeker`: yeah, 1:45 says tomtom bath->essex [11:49] tomtom is known to lie [11:49] Seeker`: where are you? [11:49] Seeker was asked to leave Bath city for being associated with the white stilleto crew [11:50] ikonia: pm [11:50] Gary: just north of london [11:50] ikonia: I'm not in essex :P [11:50] :0 [11:50] Seeker`: ooh, I thought you where [11:50] never have been [11:50] hence the white shoe push [11:50] I'm in hertfordshire [11:50] oops [11:50] sorry [11:51] tar'd and feathered you already [11:51] hehehehe [11:52]