[00:00] only i used other words [00:00] you know, shorter words [00:00] four letters or less [00:01] in the spirit of scrabble [00:01] Well, I did too, sort of, at least they came out of my mouth [00:02] brb (i shall return) [00:03] tried to register on the pyscrabble server, now I have 3 unresponsive windows. [00:04] how did you get past the login window? [00:04] correction now it's 'error unresponsive server' [00:04] trying the bacasoft server [00:06] not past the login window [00:06] If you move the Find a Server window, there is another one hidden [00:07] That is the one imfluxible can't get past [00:07] I guess I'm doing better. I got it to lock up [00:08] I see it, I just assumed you needed to register on a server before you could login [00:08] gonna google for some docs. [00:10] i back. arrrrggggghhhhh. [00:11] ya, i also couldn't figure out if you 'register' or 'add' first [00:11] it doesn work either way [00:13] hey guys :) i'd love to use both of my screens. i googled and found some suggestions to solve my problem, but some of them were to complicated for me and for others i need the catalyst control center, which i don't have (i don't know why, i installed the correct driver from amd/ati)........ is there another easy way to achive this? [00:15] charlie and durt, my friend justnsane1 just logged on to see if we make any progress with pyscrabble [00:16] hello [00:17] so you have a captive audience, waiting, breathlessly (55 points), patiently (40 points) [00:24] Haven't given up, yet, downloading a file that might help [00:24] ok [00:25] ya, i'm getting pyscrabble-server too :) [00:25] ok, Mike will be right back [00:27] you guys do know that hasbro/mattel does vigorously defend infringements on the scrabble copyright. One of there best revenue generators. [00:28] their* [00:28] I did not know [00:29] Yes, I knew that [00:29] That's why you see so many online variations of the name [00:29] night [00:34] justnsane1: that must have been a private msg to you, it din't show up on my screen [00:34] really, which one [00:34] so i'm none the wiser [00:34] your mom never called you sunny. [00:35] btw, i'm not mike, i'm imfluxible [00:35] Okay, my conclusion is that there are no games to join, thus can't connect [00:35] oh ok [00:35] you must be new [00:35] hahahahahhahahahhahahhahahhaahahhaaaa [00:35] back to cooking [00:36] durt, and we're not giving up on YOU [00:37] guys download the server (pyscrabble-server) and read the docs and run your own. [00:37] charlie-tca: doesn't the administrator have the power to start games i thought i read [00:38] durt, so it worked for you? [00:39] charlie-tca: whats cooking, i'm hungry [00:39] still trying, server needs configuration [00:39] durt, uh-oh, sounds like it may get over my head [00:40] it's definetly over mine..:-) [00:40] justnsane1: open synaptic, and download the server and lets see [00:41] pyscrabble-server [00:42] * zoredache wonders if everyone is working to hard to make scrable work... [00:42] have you consider simply looking for a online web-based version of scrable? [00:43] zoredache: but there's no challenge. [00:43] * imfluxible would go to any lengths [00:43] imfluxible, i downloaded the server, but got that error message then did what u told me to do. [00:44] it sounds as if with the server we will become an online version [00:45] justnsane1: he said to read the docs, but i don't know where they are [00:45] me either [00:45] usually you can start looking in /usr/share/doc/applicationname [00:46] there should be at least a README file that points you at other docs and web site [00:46] justnsane1: so, goto applications, accessories, and see if you have a file browser in the list [00:47] no [00:47] i cant remember if we downloaded Thunar? [00:47] dont think so [00:47] or maybe there is another one installed by default? [00:48] imfluxible: You running Xubuntu? [00:48] anybody know what file browser comes with ubuntu 8.10 [00:49] nope, not on this machine, on another running xubuntu; this one running fluxbuntu [00:49] i just downloaded Thunar [00:50] ok, see if it appears in your menu under accessories now [00:50] imfluxible: What is fluxbuntu based on (ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu)? [00:50] yes [00:50] ummmm, ubuntu i guess, homepage is fluxbuntu.org [00:51] its a very light install, about 300 mb [00:51] it is based on flux [00:51] using fluxbox as window manager, i guess? [00:51] I usually look in whatever package manager came with the system, list installed packages, and find which one is a file manager. [00:52] xubuntu was way too slow on this machine, i tried it [00:52] justnsane1: so you opened thunar? [00:53] no [00:53] i opened it, but what should I do? [00:54] open it and see if you can follow the path: /usr/share/doc/pyscrabble [00:55] first look for usr, click on it, then 'share', click on it, then 'doc', click on it, hopefully find pyscrabble docs [00:56] durt, you making any progress [00:58] i clicked on all the above, then it says changelog.Debian.gz, then changelog.gz, then copyrite [01:00] hmmmm [01:00] but no file for pyscrabble docs? [01:01] no [01:01] http://pyscrabble.sourceforge.net/?q=help [01:02] It doesn't appear to come with docs. [01:02] This is all the help I could find. [01:02] we'll look for it later i guess ... might as well see if durt manages to get it up and running first [01:02] You could get the source and read that :) [01:03] but you should browse around thunar, and you'll start to get an idea of the organization of the filesystem [01:03] Sorry, I know how frustrating it can be trying to get something to work right. I had to reinstall PC/OS twice before I got everything to work I wanted to work. [01:04] THANKS FOR YOUR HELP EVERYONE [01:04] just don't alter any files if you don't know what they are, that could cause problems [01:04] sorry folks looks like I'd have to re-configure my firewall to get a server running. [01:05] bummer [01:05] PKodon: uhhhh, source code over my pay level ... level [01:06] justnsane1: don't shout [01:06] lol [01:06] nothing could ever be, just easy, huh [01:07] i was all excited about finding pyscrabble too [01:08] on to the next thing i guess ... thanks durt, charlie, and pkodon [01:08] its the only way i can read it, my eyes are shot [01:08] Sorry [01:09] * imfluxible likes it when theres someone more newbie than imfluxible [01:09] must be a 'power' thing [01:09] lol [01:09] imfluxible: Hey, I resemble that remark! [01:10] * imfluxible off to brick and morterland [01:10] nite guys, thanx [01:10] imfluxible: Okay, night. [01:10] roflmao [02:35] Got any ps3 users here? I need to know if you have to install 'ps3-utils' after Xubuntu installed? [02:41] charlie-tca: Wish I could help. BTW, mind if I ask you a question? [02:41] go ahead [02:42] charlie-tca: I don't know much about the PS-3, if you put xubuntu on it, can you turn it into a "real PC" (with a keyboard, mouse, wireless internet, printer/scanner, etc.)? [02:43] I don't really know. I hear there is only 1/2 the ram and hard drive available for an operating system [02:43] Hmm. [02:43] But the wireless should already be built in [02:43] Really? [02:44] keyboard and mouse should be apple, using firewire, I think [02:44] I thought the PS3 had the wireless built in, so you can play games on line. [02:44] Oh, one-button-mouse, keyboard with funny keys. [02:45] Or doesn't Apple use the one-button mouse any more? [02:45] doesn't apple have two buttons, now? [02:45] I don't have one, myself [02:45] I have no game machines. [02:46] I'd love to see Sony turn the PS-3 platform into a real PC, with either MorphOS or some version of Linux. From what I've seen and heard, it' [02:47] Bah! ... it's hardware is awesome, especially it's graphics hardware. [02:47] I don't know that they would, since there money comes from the games they sell. [02:47] The hardware has always been awesome. [02:48] They had the most powerful graphics chip anywhere when the ps2 was introduced [02:48] Yeah, I guess I can see that, but the PC really doesn't have anything that can touch it, for the price. I suppose they sell it so low-priced in the same way that cell phones are sold for so little - they know you're going to keep bringing in money to use it. [02:49] Ok, How does one turn of compiz in XFCE? [02:49] FaMott: You installed it and turned it on? [02:49] Well, I think so , I ran it from my terminal, yeah. [02:50] !compiz [02:50] Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion [02:50] That is the best I can do with compiz [02:51] I've been considering installing Compiz myself, after seeing it demoed by my nephew, but don't know if my machine would do it justice (P-4 w/500MB DDRR and GeForce3). [02:52] Well yeah, I'm on a 1.6ghz Laptop with 1 GB of RAM, and anything video intensive makes it LAG. [02:52] I want to figure out how to run flash stuff without the lag x.x; [02:52] I don't use it, the effects are too hard on old eyes [02:53] Yeah, I at least want to run Youtube , though [02:53] Well then, I won't be installing it. My processor's 2.2GHz, but the grapics card only has 64MB. [02:53] FaMott: you can run Youtube without compiz. [02:53] FaMott: I don't think you need Compiz to run YouTube. [02:53] I know [02:54] but I want Compiz off. [02:54] FaMott: Well, you can always bring up the process manager and kill it. [02:54] Then uninstall. [02:56] I now officially broke my windows. [02:56] Like... [02:56] The taskbars themselves died. [02:56] xubuntu 9.04 FTW!! [02:57] FaMott: turn compiz off using ccsm, I think [02:57] I need to KILLALL5, I'll be a sec. [02:57] xfce 4.6, linux 2.6.28, ext4 support... [02:58] Hmm. [02:58] Guess not. [02:59] Compiz should come with docs or a man page, though. Shouldn't that tell him (when he gets back) how to turn it off? === Mottie_ is now known as FaMott [03:00] FaMott: I take it it's still there. [03:00] its gone. [03:00] How odd. [03:01] Well, perhaps since you ran it from a command line rather than using some configuration utility to set it up as a normal part of your boot process. [03:01] Yah [03:02] I'm still gonna go through gconf-editor [03:02] I'd say, if it's not running, it's okay to uninstall it. [03:03] I still love how easy it is to fiddle with software on linux. [03:04] "Break something critically? Spend 20 minutes and reinstall, why don't we?" [03:05] FaMott: Well, I've spent more time than that reinstalling the past few days. [03:05] What'd you break? [03:06] Let's go to a private window for that story... [03:21] is there a set of xfce 4.6 packages built for intrepid? [03:21] yes [03:21] couldn't find it on launchpad, am i looking in the wrong place? [03:22] Get it here: https://launchpad.net/~jerome-guelfucci/+archive/ppa . File the bugs against it and subcribe charlie-tca to them, please. [03:23] will do if i find any bugs, my system is pretty normal i think [03:23] Thanks. [03:23] my work system is a little more cobbled together, i use nfs for the homedir and a few other base kind of tweaks that sometimes upset apps [03:23] trying at home first just to make sure i can get right down to business when i switch back to xfce from gnome [03:24] Great! [03:24] thunar was just coming out after i switched [03:24] good luck with it. [03:24] Jaunty will come out in April with 4.6 in it. [03:26] sweet [03:26] this isn't exactly a bug, but why did the 4.6 ppa end up not being associated with the xubuntu-dev team on launchpad? [03:27] Jerome backported it himself before we released jaunty with 4.6 [03:27] oh, you were focused on jaunty [03:27] makes sense [03:27] He did a lot of the work on it === keres_ is now known as keres [03:34] what can i do to make xubuntu faster on a limited resource machine? [03:35] edwardio: don't use bash completion [03:35] switch to links? [03:35] i installed ubuntu+edubuntu and it was wicked slow. So now, im using xubuntu, and itś helped a lot, but still a little slower than Id like [03:36] I wonder. [03:36] gecko is slow on limited resources, try arora for a browser maybe [03:36] bash is the command line interface? [03:36] Can you use Fluxbox on Ubuntu? [03:36] Use a lighter window manager [03:36] yeah, are you using that? [03:36] xfwm4 is already really light! [03:36] oh, weŕe not even on the net yet [03:36] default gtk theme can help... like not using an engine [03:36] fluxbox is lighter [03:36] just running small apps [03:37] Use dillo or midori for web browsing [03:37] or even epiphany [03:37] dillo is awesome [03:37] use claws mail instead of thunderbird [03:37] XChat for IRC [03:37] edwardio: what are some apps that seem slow to you? [03:39] ok i got this system for a friends six year old. That is where the edubuntu thing came in. This machine will be a learning tool for the kid. And will need to run like, Tux math, and various little learning games like that [03:39] the six year old is too rough on the newer computers [03:39] anyone have much experience with envrypted root installs? [03:39] he can beat the crap out of this old keyboard and it wont matter [03:39] =) [03:40] spowers, how do i not use bash? [03:40] edwardio: keep compiz off it [03:40] oh yeah, no way [03:41] edwardio: don't open the command line and it won't be a problem [03:41] Remove all the apps a 6-year doesn't need [03:41] ok, i removed office [03:41] and the like [03:41] how do i change the themes like you all were saying [03:42] default gtk [03:42] i used to use a package called gtk-theme-switch [03:42] after using the alternate cd for installing an encrypted system a few times it kinda hitt me that the installer is writing the same data in the same order every time...isnt this a big weakness? [03:43] if you're running xfce, it may be using the xfce engine.. and i'm not sure, but I think that gtk with no theme applied whatsoever is a little bit faster [03:43] You mean during the installation? [03:43] esp1: You mean during the installation? [03:44] sudo apt-get install gtk-theme-switch? [03:44] yes, [03:44] It isn't writing anything during your install that is different from any other installation. Why would it need to change the install sequence? [03:45] charlie-tca, Yes, the deb installer is just following a recepee [03:45] im not as drunk as i think you are [03:45] can synaptic show me installed apps? [03:45] similar to ädd/remove in ubuntu [03:45] ? [03:45] esp1: Of course it is. It has to install things in a specific order, or it don't work [03:45] edwardio: go to synaptic, do you see installed apps? [03:45] *found it [03:45] if so yes... [03:46] ... [03:46] charlie-tca, for having an encrypted root filesystem to make any sense [03:46] rm -rf /* [03:46] fixes everything [03:46] charlie-tca, it shouldnt be installed the same way every time [03:46] ^ this man knows all [03:46] not esp1 [03:47] So, what happens if someone reads the installed file system on an unencrypted system? Don't they know all the files anyway? [03:47] fuck you esp1...stealing asdsada's glory :( [03:47] It is what happens ;after the install that matters [03:47] Hello all - I'm trying to get a keyboard shortcut to work. The command is "rhythmbox-client --next", and it works on terminal, but not by the keyboard shortcut. Does anyone have any idea why? [03:47] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda [03:47] wubb: I am just like everyone else. I don't know all of it [03:48] charlie-tca: lrn2googley [03:48] asdsada: please stop that [03:48] dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda [03:48] !ops [03:48] ops is HELP! gnomefreak, tonyyarusso, PuMpErNiCkLe, maxamillion, TheSheep, crimsun, mrpouit, Myrtti, PriceChild or cody-somerville [03:48] asdsada, Please stop. [03:49] hai cody-somerville [03:49] remember me? [03:49] :D [03:49] 6th grade... [03:49] :( [03:50] charlie-tca, yeah most files will change in time after install....but i still thiknk there is a weakness to active attack to the crypto...but good enough for keeping the trivial nousy common person out [03:50] using truecrypt? [03:50] esp1: exactly. I think the concern is to not allow the leaks after it gets to your system [03:50] DONT LISTEN TO charlie-tca HE HAS AN ASIAN PENIS [03:52] the biggest reason for encrypted filesystem is in case your lappy gets lost or stolen...then it is usually turned off anyways [03:52] hmm I wonder... [03:52] !gentoo [03:52] Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems) === anthony is now known as Guest25433 [03:53] Lacks Arch. [03:53] !Arch Linux [03:53] Sorry, I don't know anything about Arch Linux === Guest25433 is now known as MacAnthony [03:55] charlie-tca, i am just realizing that a fully encrypted system isnt as secuse as i imagined... [03:55] Sorry, got into another discussion here [03:56] passwords are as secure as your mouth is - you know you'd tell if you were gonna die otherwise... [03:56] If the entire drive is encrypted, no gets in without the passphrase. But, like anything, any encryption can be broken, too. [03:57] Even the pentagon has seen that happen [03:57] I don't really know enough about it, I think [03:57] charlie-tca, also the superblocks backup is written to the same place at formats, so a simulated format might reveal them and give another attack vector for the crypt [03:58] lost me there [03:58] I thought the way it is encrypted, there is no way to enter a particular segment and read it. [03:59] Is that wrong? [04:00] charlie-tca, it will be encrypted....but it is not good when u got an idea about the data stored there [04:01] Isn't it random encryption, so you could not study one drive, and have the same bits on the next one? [04:02] Like I say, my knowledge is very limited on it [04:03] charlie-tca, ye, but that dont matter if you have the physical encrypted drive to attack.... [04:03] FaMott: did you need anything ? I did not mean to abandon you [04:03] Nah, i'm fine now. [04:03] esp1: but that take a lot of determination, too. [04:04] charlie-tca, i guess a good solution would be to do some rearanging in the deb installer script before installing [04:04] If you do have the physical drive and really want in to the data, there will always be a way, given enough time [04:05] I am trying to think who might have better answers. [04:05] !freebsd [04:05] Sorry, I don't know anything about freebsd [04:05] charlie-tca, exactly, just wanna make sure that ammoung of time is as long as possible [04:05] !realworldbrooklyn [04:05] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [04:06] I know what you are saying. Maybe in #ubuntu-kernel, but I am not sure [04:06] It might be cjwatson in #ubuntu-installer, when he is around [04:06] thanx :) [04:07] esp1: It doesn´t matter if it is Ubuntu or Xubuntu, that part is the same [04:07] edwardio: what are you looking for? Can I help? [04:08] ye, i know....but a lot more traffic/noise in ubu u know [04:08] i just need to make xubuntu more friendly with this 10 year old machine [04:08] I know. That's why I gave you those other two channels. They should be dealing direct with it [04:09] edwardio: I see. Have you seen the wiki on low memory systems? [04:09] !low-memory [04:09] Sorry, I don't know anything about low-memory [04:10] charlie-tca, no, but i can access the web, im out of resources [04:10] cant* [04:10] One app at a time, huh? [04:10] maybe i need to use puppy or something like that [04:11] d/s/l [04:11] i always thought *nix ran nicely on old systems [04:11] That or check out lxde to replace xfwm. It should work with Xubuntu [04:11] and xubuntu made a HUGE difference from ubunutu / edubuntu [04:11] is there a way to download another distro and install it within ubuntu [04:11] Xubuntu does, but it depends on cpu and memory available [04:12] brad450_: use a virtual machine, like VMware or VirtualBox [04:12] edwardio, puppy is a grate start... [04:12] what is that? [04:12] !vmware [04:12] VMWare is not available in the Ubuntu repositories. Consider using !QEmu or !VirtualBox as alternatives. Instructions for installing VMWare manually are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware [04:13] !vbox [04:13] virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available from !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox [04:13] !qemu [04:13] qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo [04:13] Gutsy, Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty for VBox [04:13] !windowsxppro [04:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about windowsxppro [04:13] just kidding [04:13] yes iam trying to install YDL on my PS3 threw xubuntu is it possible [04:13] ?? [04:14] I don't know, brad450_ . Aren't you a little short on memory for that? [04:15] Hey, you got Jaunty or intrepid on that ps3 [04:15] brad450_, yellow dog trough xubuntu? [04:15] i dont wanty to run it in emulation i want to completely install YDL 6.0 (if possible threw ubuntu because i dont have a DVD burner [04:15] LOL, and on a PS3, too [04:16] brad450_, ahhh....i understand [04:16] like download the ISO and run it [04:16] esp1, the whole reason of this build is for educational learning for a child. I was hoping for edubuntu to work nicely. Is software like that available for puppy do you kn [04:17] ow? [04:17] edwardio, ye, there is some software ayail, but it is not deb based...but it has now an apt system... [04:18] edwardio, can u boot from usb? [04:29] esp1: while I am thinking of it, there is also the ability to file a bug about it. [04:30] If you marked it as a security hazard, it gets a pretty quick answer to that part, at least. [04:30] charlie-tca, yea, i might, jus want to hear what ppl that has a clue say first :) [04:31] Okay. Many of them seem to maintain EST hours on IRC [04:31] Good luck with it. [04:32] charlie-tca, it isnt exactly a critical security risc, more like an oversight i think [04:32] True, but... [04:33] I know how to get answers (at least) [04:33] random install order of the packages will help, but even that is weak [04:34] would need random install location on disk [04:34] Unless it scrambles the position on the drive [04:34] you're faster than me. [04:35] lol, same taught [04:35] yeah [04:35] I wonder if it can do random positions, since it knows how much space each item needs [04:36] It could still unpack in sequence, install in sequence, but position randomly [04:36] just putt junk in between that is deleted later [04:38] Well, I gotta go, I think. [04:38] nn then, thanx for the chat [04:39] good night [04:41] how did you setup your encryption? [04:42] with the alternate install cd [04:42] using the automagical way? [04:43] then manual partitioning.....make on e partition for boot, and one for encrypted space and leave space for swap, but dont make it yet....then set up encrypted and assign it as root [04:44] so you aren't using the automatic setup? where it builds your filesystems inside lvm? [04:45] yes [04:45] that is the weakness i think [04:45] your biggest concern probably should be that your swap isn't encrypted. things you want to be secure will be written unencrypted [04:46] swap is encrypted to [04:46] you dont make swap during install...to make an encrypted one later [04:48] it wont even let u make an unencrypted swap even if you tried during the install [04:49] esp1: it does if you use the automatic method [04:49] since it is all on lvm [04:51] my setup in installer: p1: win, p2: /boot, p3: encrypted, p4: 2x ram empty space, encrypted_volume: / [04:52] hrm... if you where using an encrypted lvm, and you put your partitions in an unusual order it seems like you would put your logical volumes in an unusual order [04:52] then i manually setup encrypted swap after in crypttab and fstab [04:55] hi, I can't run the installer. CD-ROM troubles. I used smart-boot-manager on a floppy and that got the installer to start, but then the installer couldn't mount the cd-rom and wants a driver disk. How do I make a driver disc? [04:56] like a floppy disk? [04:56] yeah, and like where are the drivers I need? [04:56] can your computer boot from usb? [04:56] NO [04:57] bios can't even boot from CD-ROM [04:57] awww... [04:58] that is soo long ago i cant even remember... [04:58] so if smb got me going, what drivers would I need and from where? [04:59] I'm stuck at the "detect and mount CDROM drive" stage [05:01] i am no use to you there, sins i installed from 20 floppys or so when i had such an old box once [05:02] Xubuntu install disc is in there, SBM got it started, but install kernel is stuck [05:02]