| yao_ziyuan | where can i install qt 4.5 and/or kde 4.3 (trunk) on kubuntu 8.10? | 00:12 |
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| valgaav | google up project neon | 00:14 |
| valgaav | it provides builds of 4.3 | 00:15 |
| valgaav | qt 4.5 is in jaunty though | 00:15 |
| yao_ziyuan | is it safe now to upgrade from 8.10 to jaunty? | 00:16 |
| valgaav | atm there is upgrade going on from kde 4.2.0 to 4.2.1 so I would wait | 00:19 |
| valgaav | plasma-addons for example is broken for me | 00:19 |
| valgaav | other then that it should be safe and stable in few days once all the 4.2.1 packages are in palce | 00:20 |
| valgaav | place | 00:20 |
| torkiano | hello all, I have problems with kubuntu jaunty and the bluetooth applet | 01:30 |
| torkiano | It doesn't start when I plug my bluetooth adapter | 01:30 |
| torkiano | I have to start it manually | 01:30 |
| torkiano | anyone else? | 01:30 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Did you have any luck with regina-normal? | 02:21 |
| torkiano | anyone with problems in jaunty with bluetooth? the applet doesn't start when i active the laptop bluetooth | 02:28 |
| ScottK | If he'd stick around for more than two minutes ... | 02:32 |
| DaSkreech | torkiano: Sit! | 02:32 |
| ScottK | torkiano: It works well for some and not for others. | 02:33 |
| torkiano | mmm, quassel crash when minimize to systray... | 02:33 |
| ScottK | torkiano: My advice is file bugs. | 02:33 |
| ScottK | Not here. | 02:34 |
| ScottK | torkiano: Look in your home dir for a quassel crash log and file a bug with it attached. | 02:34 |
| torkiano | ScottK: ok, I'm going to file the bugs | 02:35 |
| ScottK | torkiano: You can also get debug packages for quassel from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/q/quassel/ | 02:35 |
| ScottK | You might install that so if it crashes again you get a more complete backtrace. | 02:35 |
| torkiano | ScottK: thank you, installing... | 02:36 |
| torkiano | is there any decision to use webkit in konqueror? | 02:45 |
| DaSkreech | no | 02:45 |
| torkiano | or arora? | 02:45 |
| DaSkreech | I thought that does use webkit | 02:46 |
| DaSkreech | as in basically the reason it exists is to use webkit | 02:46 |
| torkiano | I run arora as my default browser and works very well | 02:46 |
| DaSkreech | Great | 02:47 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I thought you were taking care of kde4bindings for kubuntu-experimental? I don't see it there.... | 03:36 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: koffice2 backport building in my PPA now. Should be done sometime tomorrow ... | 03:44 |
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| markey | good morning | 05:56 |
| DaSkreech | hey | 06:08 |
| markey | FYI, found a solution for my konsole rendering issues from last night: | 06:48 |
| markey | "konsole --graphicssystem raster" | 06:49 |
| markey | (with Qt 4.5) | 06:49 |
| a|wen | ScottK: just got to look at it now... had a lot of $realwork that caught my time; but i'll get it done | 07:29 |
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| Tm_T | ScottK: roger roger, I build it from svn too so we'll see if there's difference in that part | 08:56 |
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| ScottK | Tm_T: Well it FTBFS, so I need to look at it some more. | 11:15 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Thanks. Good to hear it. | 11:15 |
| scott_ev | ScottK: do you ever sleep? | 11:16 |
| ScottK | Sometimes. | 11:16 |
| scott_ev | understood | 11:16 |
| Sput | sleep is overrated | 11:16 |
| scott_ev | true 'nuff | 11:16 |
| Sput | also, all people who regularly sleep die eventually | 11:17 |
| scott_ev | there'll be time later | 11:17 |
| Sput | so I consider sleeping as dangerous | 11:17 |
| ScottK | Warren Zevon had a song called "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead". | 11:22 |
| scott_ev | ScottK: showed your age with that one | 11:28 |
| larsivi_ | Sput: life is only a period of time you are supposed to survive | 11:31 |
| larsivi_ | I liked warren zevon -_- | 11:32 |
| scott_ev | me too | 11:32 |
| scott_ev | is anyone here further west than UTC-7? | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | new k3b-kde4 snapshot is going to my ppa, for testers interested... | 11:48 |
| Tonio_ | anyone here has a DVD-RW ? I don't and can't test dvd burning... | 11:49 |
| scott_ev | I can try it out for you | 11:52 |
| scott_ev | how can I do that, it's all new to me | 11:53 |
| scott_ev | I mean how do I get the file? | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: you have to add my ppa to your sources.list | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: and then perform a sudo apt-get update | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | then sudo apt-get install k3b libk3b-extracodecs | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | and then simply test burning a iso DVD (kubuntu one's a good test...) | 11:56 |
| scott_ev | ok, how do I get your ppa | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | and let me know if that works :) | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev this is the line you have to add to your /etc/apt/sources/list : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonio/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main | 11:57 |
| scott_ev | k, I have to take the laptop into the other room since kde4 and k3b are on my desktop | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | oki there is no emergency btw | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: one you have been able to test, please ping me or send me an email at tonio at ubuntu.com | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: thanks in advance for the feedback ;) | 11:58 |
| scott_ev | not a problem, it might take me 30 min as I'm not very awake | 11:59 |
| scott_ev | Tonio_: would you email your ppa to j dot scott dot gwin at gmail dot com, please? | 12:02 |
| scott_ev | and the other info you gave me | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 12:02 |
| scott_ev | thx | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: done | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: just wait about an hour to try please, I need k3B to be built first | 12:06 |
| scott_ev | Tonio_: sure | 12:06 |
| scott_ev | I'll be here all day if we have to do this more than once. I may be out for 2 hours around 1pm -7UTC | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: well I hope it works the very first time :) if not I'll to track the issue and patch this WE... | 12:08 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: ScottK: Tonio_: just talked to dfaure who told me Konqueror crashes in startup in 4.2.1 on kubuntu | 12:08 |
| Nightrose | i can confirm that on intrepid | 12:08 |
| JontheEchidna | Yeah, Riddell's patch is most likely causing it | 12:08 |
| JontheEchidna | But I have been puking and nobody else seems to care | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: grmpf..... that sucks | 12:09 |
| Nightrose | :/ | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: anyone already reported this ? (and no we'll not rediscuss yesterday's point ^^) | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: I have no way to reproduce, since no intrepid installed here.... | 12:10 |
| JontheEchidna | it crashes in jaunty too | 12:10 |
| JontheEchidna | konqueror & -> crasj | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: yeah but that's no big deal, that's jaunty :) | 12:10 |
| Nightrose | kubotu: bug 186233 | 12:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 186233 in xubuntu-meta "xubuntu menus accumulate kubuntu items" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186233 | 12:10 |
| Nightrose | ehmm | 12:11 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: one thing we may consider is when pushing a new kde to stable+1, wait one week for feedback before pushing the backports | 12:11 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: wouldn't that make sense ? | 12:11 |
| JontheEchidna | Yeah | 12:11 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: Tonio_: in kde bugreport 186233 dfaure explains why it crashes | 12:11 |
| Nightrose | rgreening: ^ | 12:11 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I won't rediscuss the long thread with ScottK yesterday, but I'm concerned not by the fact of backporting kde, but with the process... | 12:12 |
| * JontheEchidna investigates | 12:12 | |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: having a look | 12:12 |
| Nightrose | thx Tonio_ :) | 12:12 |
| Nightrose | thx JontheEchidna | 12:12 |
| * Nightrose hands JontheEchidna a hot cup of tea and sends him back to bed | 12:13 | |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: I can drop the patch for kdebase on jaunty | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: would you do that for intrepid ? | 12:13 |
| JontheEchidna | sure | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: better drop the patch I guess... | 12:14 |
| JontheEchidna | I know that there was a commit to kubuntu-default-settings setting the default seach engine | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: no problem with getting it droped ? | 12:14 |
| JontheEchidna | which means it definitely wouldn't work on intrepid | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: in any case that's bad | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: we have people using kde without kds installed | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: and that will crash for them | 12:15 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, I have kubuntu-default-settings and it crashes for me too :/ | 12:15 |
| JontheEchidna | disabling it for now would be best | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | patching and let settings in kds so that it won't crash is not a good way to do things I guess... | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: let's drop the patch for now, and I'll ping rgreening | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: yeah let's just don't apply the patch and keep it in :) | 12:17 |
| JontheEchidna | well, maybe not for backports | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 12:17 |
| JontheEchidna | for the intrepid backports it'd make sense to just delete it since I don't see it being reapplyed soon | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | also, I'm concerned by the fact it is not the first time kde devs to complain about some of our patches... | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: maybe we can patch the patch in fact | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: the problem is that it can become empty... | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I can simply test the value and if empty set it to google | 12:20 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm not too great of an expert w/ C++.... | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: bah I know how to patch this | 12:20 |
| JontheEchidna | hehe | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I can send you a fixed patch so that you can test | 12:21 |
| JontheEchidna | well I'll just remove it from intrepid cuz we need something special for jaunty over intrepid ;-) | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: as you wish ;) | 12:21 |
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| tsdgeos | are you guys aware that 4.2.1 konqi crashes? | 12:38 |
| Nightrose | tsdgeos: jep - already being fixed | 12:38 |
| tsdgeos | ok | 12:38 |
| tsdgeos | going back to my cave | 12:39 |
| tsdgeos | thanks gal | 12:39 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 12:39 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: I just uploaded a fixed patch for jaunty | 12:39 |
| Nightrose | great | 12:39 |
| JontheEchidna | the intrepid packages are building sans the patch | 12:39 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: and JontheEchidna should upload with a droped patch for intrepid... | 12:39 |
| JontheEchidna | yup :) | 12:40 |
| Nightrose | yay! | 12:40 |
| * Tonio_ looks at ScottK | 12:40 | |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: now you unerstand what I meant, and that it has never been against you :) that's a process issue !! | 12:40 |
| JontheEchidna | bah, where'd kde4bindings go in the ppa? | 12:41 |
| JontheEchidna | rejected?! | 12:41 |
| JontheEchidna | The source kde4bindings - 4:4.2.1-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 is already accepted in ubuntu/intrepid and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. You have to modify the source version and re-upload. | 12:42 |
| JontheEchidna | Not that I saw :/ | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: hum.... partially uploaded maybe ? | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | that' happended to me once ;) | 12:42 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe | 12:43 |
| JontheEchidna | I feel better today, but yesterday I was majorly zoning | 12:43 |
| JontheEchidna | I only have a little bit of a stomach ache today | 12:44 |
| scott_ev | Tonio_: I didn't receive that email yet, you sent it, right? | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: yup | 12:45 |
| scott_ev | hmm j.scott.gwin@gmail | 12:45 |
| scott_ev | .com | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: ah ); | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: then another person will receive it :) I missed the first j. | 12:47 |
| JontheEchidna | cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/dolphin/bookmarkbutton.png': No such file or directory | 12:47 |
| JontheEchidna | meh | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: s/kde4/kde ? | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: the docpath changed afaik | 12:48 |
| JontheEchidna | it was kde4 in intrepid and changed to kde in jaunty | 12:48 |
| scott_ev | Tonio_: oh well, looks like I got it now | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: you may have to sed -i s/doc | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: you may have to sed -i s/doc\/kde4/doc\/kde/ debian/*install | 12:49 |
| JontheEchidna | kde4 is correct | 12:49 |
| JontheEchidna | plus I based this off the already-built intrepid backport in kubuntu-experimental | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: ah.... hen the change is only for jaunty ? | 12:49 |
| JontheEchidna | Yes, it was changed to plain old kde in jaunty so that kde3 docs could be read in khelpcenter | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | kk | 12:50 |
| JontheEchidna | when it was kde4 khelpcenter would only look for kde4 docs and the kde3 ones in doc/kde/ were always "missing" | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | makes sense indeed | 12:50 |
| scott_ev | has it been built yet so I can test this patch, Tonio_ ? | 12:51 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: nope, the patch is wrong :) trueg confirmed it to me, I just uploaded another one | 12:51 |
| JontheEchidna | it failed on the first upload in the first place | 12:52 |
| JontheEchidna | no wonder | 12:52 |
| scott_ev | ah | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: as I said there is no emergency, so maybe you could test toonight ? | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: I'll work a bit on it today | 12:52 |
| scott_ev | oh, sure | 12:52 |
| JontheEchidna | nevermind, that was kdeartwork | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | scott_ev: thanks :) | 12:52 |
| scott_ev | Tonio_: np, this what I'm hanging around for. I'll do the same for anyone. Just email me or message me. I always keep a presence here, but roam alot. | 12:54 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, I uploaded it to jaunty | 12:57 |
| * JontheEchidna facepalms | 12:57 | |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: dput can be dangerous sometimes :) | 12:58 |
| JontheEchidna | not to jaunty/main | 12:58 |
| JontheEchidna | jaunty/kubuntu-experimental | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: ah oki ;) | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: dch can be dangerous sometimes :) | 12:59 |
| JontheEchidna | my default dput target is bob | 12:59 |
| JontheEchidna | ;) | 12:59 |
| JontheEchidna | default_host_main = bob | 13:00 |
| * JontheEchidna stole that from ScottK | 13:00 | |
| ScottK | Tonio_: I'd say this is why we test backports before we put them in the official repo. | 13:02 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: which makes sense :) | 13:02 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I forgot it was experimental :) | 13:02 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: on that point, I agree with you that people shouldn't complain when getting issues in experimental :) | 13:03 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: but once again the problem is due to bad communication in the jaunty/intrepid transition... | 13:03 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: some jaunty patches can have weird effects when backported... and that's pretty difficult to handle... | 13:04 |
| JontheEchidna | I think its more about people not thinking about that kind of stuff unless it causes FTBFS | 13:04 |
| scott_ev | sorry, what's FTBFS | 13:05 |
| JontheEchidna | Fail(s/ed) to build from source | 13:05 |
| scott_ev | ah, thx | 13:05 |
| JontheEchidna | yup, no problem | 13:05 |
| ScottK | Currently if we have stuff that works in Experimental in Intrepid, but not in Jaunty, then I think look at Qt 4.5. If it doesn't work in both, look at KDE 4.2.1.... | 13:06 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I've noticed a few issues which seem due to qt4.5 right now, like redraw problems... | 13:09 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh, there's also a bug where kio slaves can't open unicode stuff w/ Qt 4.5 final | 13:14 |
| JontheEchidna | there's a patch we need to apply for jaunty | 13:14 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I can probably sponsor some stuff today to get things fixed up, but not much more. | 13:15 |
| JontheEchidna | kde bug 186038 | 13:15 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 186038 in file "Programs cannot be called on paths containing non-ascii utf8 characters" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186038 | 13:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Apparently we weren't suppoed to release KDE 4.2.1 with Qt 4.5 final, lol | 13:18 |
| JontheEchidna | Though you can't really blame 'em for the bug I guess | 13:18 |
| JontheEchidna | since 4.5 final came out the day before 4.2.1 did | 13:19 |
| a|wen | JontheEchidna: was anything copied from the ppa to jaunty, or was everything rebuild? | 13:19 |
| JontheEchidna | a|wen: it had to be rebuilt, apparently you can't copy from private to public repos | 13:20 |
| a|wen | oh, okay | 13:20 |
| a|wen | pretty amazing that everything built on qt4.5 without any problems | 13:21 |
| * JontheEchidna tests his new bugfix'd kdebase-workspace package | 13:21 | |
| JontheEchidna | Qt is pretty good about maintaining binary/API compatibility | 13:21 |
| a|wen | yeah, i think you're right | 13:22 |
| JontheEchidna | What would really amaze me would be if KDE worked without any regressions :P | 13:23 |
| JontheEchidna | though plasma seems to work perfectly with Qt 4.5.0 except for the cashew, which has minor glitches | 13:23 |
| a|wen | and that has been disproven already i believe ;) | 13:24 |
| JontheEchidna | disproven? | 13:24 |
| JontheEchidna | I cleared my pixmap cache and all the plasma graphical glitches I had disappeared except for that | 13:24 |
| a|wen | haven't we seen some regressions already? | 13:24 |
| JontheEchidna | in Plasma? | 13:24 |
| JontheEchidna | With RC1 it had several glitches. Folderview and looked awful and some svg elements had 1-pixel gaps in them | 13:25 |
| JontheEchidna | But after the update to 4.5.0 and clearing your plasma pixmap cache most of those should be gone | 13:26 |
| a|wen | okay, that is indeed amazing | 13:26 |
| JontheEchidna | rm /var/tmp/kdecache-USERNAME/kpc/plasma* | 13:27 |
| * a|wen considers if it is time to upgrade to jaunty ... or just try out qt4.5 in intrepid | 13:28 | |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: need me to upload the ioslaves fix ? | 13:30 |
| JontheEchidna | I haven't committed it to bzr or anything, but it'd be nice if you could apply the patch and upload it | 13:31 |
| JontheEchidna | Also it'd be nice if a core-dev could sponsor the latest bzr for kdebase-workspace: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu | 13:31 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I can't seem to reproduce, btw... | 13:32 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: the testcase in the kde bug is somewhat flawed | 13:32 |
| JontheEchidna | you have to try to save the file or something | 13:32 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: k | 13:32 |
| JontheEchidna | then it freaks | 13:33 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: well you're testing the fix right ? ping me when into bzr to that I can upload :) | 13:33 |
| * Tonio_ uploading kdebase-workspace | 13:33 | |
| JontheEchidna | Nope, I haven't touched the ioslave fix | 13:33 |
| JontheEchidna | by the time David closed it I was on the road to pukesville | 13:34 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: ok I'll do both then ;) | 13:34 |
| JontheEchidna | thx :) | 13:34 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: 4.2.1a ? | 13:35 |
| JontheEchidna | Yeah, there was a tarball change | 13:35 |
| JontheEchidna | before we released 4.2.1 to jaunty at all | 13:35 |
| JontheEchidna | we had the opportunity to change it back to 4.2.1 but Riddell never did | 13:35 |
| JontheEchidna | not a big deal though | 13:35 |
| JontheEchidna | I have testbuilt this in the kubuntu-experimental PPA (jaunty, of course) | 13:37 |
| Tonio_ | oki ;) | 13:37 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I trust you so I won't re-test | 13:38 |
| JontheEchidna | By the way, have you been able to report any bugs at bugs.kde.org for network manager? It always fails with an internal error for me | 13:40 |
| Tonio_ | the plasmoid ? | 13:40 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 13:40 |
| JontheEchidna | would that be the best way to report problems with it anyhow? | 13:40 |
| Tonio_ | hum... weird... never eard about an issue with it... | 13:40 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I guess email upstream if not on kde bts... | 13:41 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: or ping sebas :) | 13:41 |
| JontheEchidna | I was wanting to forward bug 336190 | 13:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 336190 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Wireless network are hidden by the bar" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/336190 | 13:41 |
| JontheEchidna | btw I migrated some wishlist items from knetworkmanager over to plasma-widget-network-manager | 13:50 |
| JontheEchidna | Ones that have upstream bugs for KDE4 or are in the todo file | 13:51 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: both fixes uploaded, thanks for pinging me for this :) | 13:53 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: you're welcome | 13:54 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: yeah I've seen that sometimes... | 13:54 |
| JontheEchidna | lol: http://xkcd.com/552/ | 13:56 |
| jpds | vorian: My word. | 14:10 |
| jpds | vorian: Where did you get all that karma from? | 14:11 |
| jpds | Riddell: Hey, how's Nigeria? | 14:11 |
| jpds | vorian: Oh, that rosetta bug.. | 14:11 |
| Riddell | jpds: lovely thanks! | 14:14 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell: Aren't you traveling to Nigeria? | 14:26 |
| Tonio_ | hi Riddell, rickspencer3 | 14:26 |
| seele | rickspencer3: i beleive he is already there | 14:27 |
| rickspencer3 | hi Tonio_ | 14:27 |
| rickspencer3 | so Traveling "in" Nigeria, then :) | 14:27 |
| Tonio_ | and hi seele too | 14:27 |
| seele | rickspencer3: btw, who is david siegel? | 14:27 |
| * seele waves to Tonio_ | 14:27 | |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hope you appreciate the trip :) | 14:28 |
| rickspencer3 | davidbarth: do you know who seele is asking about ^^^? | 14:29 |
| vorian | jpds: yeah, crappy eh? | 14:55 |
| vorian | i got over 13,000 emails yesterday from rosetta, and about 4 or 5k this morning before #lp helped me out | 14:55 |
| jpds | seele: I think he's the GNOME Do guy. | 14:56 |
| jpds | vorian: Harsh. | 14:56 |
| vorian | yus | 14:56 |
| seele | do? | 14:56 |
| vorian | doesn't david siegel do the animated shorts on SNL? | 14:57 |
| * vorian is confused | 14:57 | |
| ScottK | jpds: No. It's a feature because it's always good to let people know stuff. | 14:57 |
| jpds | seele: https://edge.launchpad.net/~djsiegel | 14:57 |
| seele | jpds: ah | 14:57 |
| scott_ev | vorian: mornin, guy | 15:02 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Did you see http://www.freehackers.org/thomas/2009/03/06/updating-to-kde-421-delete-your-plasma-files-again/ | 15:14 |
| JontheEchidna | Yeah, although I can't say I can reproduce any of his issues | 15:16 |
| ScottK | OK. | 15:18 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh, maybe lancelot is a bit cpu-hoggy when in use | 15:19 |
| Quintasan | Hi\ | 15:20 |
| Quintasan | Why installing Google Gadgets is not available? | 15:22 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 314778 | 15:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 314778 in google-gadgets "Main inclusion for Google Gadgets" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314778 | 15:22 |
| JontheEchidna | It wasn't able to make it into main, and we can't compile kdebase-workspace against stuff that's in universe | 15:25 |
| JontheEchidna | and nobody's had the time to mutilate the plasma plugin into its own package | 15:26 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: that's probably something we have to keep in mind for karmic... | 15:33 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: have you uploaded in kubuntu-experimental for the konsole/yakuake bug ? | 15:35 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: upstream is asking if the fix is only for jaunty.... | 15:35 |
| JontheEchidna | which bug was that again? | 15:36 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: KDE bug #171544 | 15:37 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 171544 in general "Invisible terminal - Manual split terminal don't show up" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171544 | 15:37 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I have the patch in jaunty package, so if anyone is willing to put the patch for kdebase in experimental/intrepid, that would be nice :) | 15:38 |
| JontheEchidna | I could do that | 15:38 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: thanks :) | 15:38 |
| JontheEchidna | nixternal was also talking about a patch, is that related? | 15:38 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: I think it's this one :) | 15:39 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, yeah that is the one | 15:39 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: you probably can just backup the latest kdebase | 15:40 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: it should fix the konqueror crash too | 15:40 |
| Tonio_ | s/backup/backport | 15:40 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, I probably could | 15:41 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm... bug 320028 | 15:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 320028 in plasma-widget-network-manager "main inclusion report for plasmoid-network-manager" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320028 | 15:44 |
| JontheEchidna | Looking at the libs/ dir in svn it doesn't look like its fixed yet | 15:44 |
| JontheEchidna | actually it doesn't look like it's been touched that much recently at all | 15:46 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: we can ping sebas about this issue | 15:53 |
| Sime | how can you turn off auto-desktop locking? screen locking? | 15:56 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: 2 places to do that : screensaver settings, and powermanagement | 15:57 |
| Sime | Tonio_: I've got both turned off. | 15:57 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: the battery monitor plasmoid also can lock the laptop :) | 15:57 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: check out the profiles and change those settings | 15:58 |
| Sime | it is not runnig | 15:58 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I must say I don't get the current issue for plasma-widget-nw | 15:58 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: hum.... the daemon might be running | 15:58 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: install the applet and have a look :) | 15:58 |
| Sime | what is the kblankscrn.kss process? | 15:59 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I can patch to move them into /usr/lib/kde4, anyway | 15:59 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: dunno... | 15:59 |
| Sime | it's dead now. :) | 16:00 |
| allee | Tonio_: if auto-desktop locking uses N different vars, it's a bug in N-1 apps ;) | 16:04 |
| Tonio_ | allee: :) | 16:04 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: for the NM applet, there are 2 ways to do.... split out the package or patch to move the files... | 16:08 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I'll ping Riddell about that... | 16:08 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: that's the one | 16:14 |
| nixternal | it works fine, I have already tested it here | 16:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Sime: that's the screensaver process | 16:15 |
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| ScottK | So I begged for some help on fixing the Qt 4.5 ICE on Power PC at the release team meeting. Action was assigned. So perhaps there's still hope for that arch. | 16:38 |
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| a|wen | ScottK: regarding regina-normal ... it is one of the python math-tests (triangulation) that fails; so most likely due to the python transition | 16:52 |
| ScottK | Lovely. | 16:52 |
| ScottK | Could you ping upstream and see if they have a solution? | 16:52 |
| ScottK | Since it's an application, not a module we can pin it to 2.5 if needed, but there's no guarantee all needed modules will be availalbe for 2.5, so that's not ideal. | 16:53 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Thanks for looking into it. | 16:53 |
| a|wen | ScottK: i'll try pin-pointing a solution | 16:55 |
| a|wen | or alternatively it could also be due to the boost transition | 17:01 |
| ScottK | If we have to drop the boost bit, it's not critical as there are others that are problematic. | 17:01 |
| ScottK | Ideally I'd like to push boost out of the archive, but it's going to take some work. | 17:02 |
| a|wen | i'll try to change boost / python back respectively and see if any of that helps us | 17:02 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: That one dude is like a broken record about a KDE HIG all over the internet | 17:15 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 17:15 |
| ScottK | I'm not going to approve any more KDE HIG comments from him. | 17:15 |
| JontheEchidna | He thinks that all software must suck unless it follows an almighty HIG | 17:15 |
| Nightrose | hehe who? | 17:16 |
| JontheEchidna | Some guy named Vladim P. | 17:16 |
| Nightrose | ah | 17:16 |
| ScottK | http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/03/open_source_usability_success.html | 17:16 |
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| JontheEchidna | http://weblog.obso1337.org/2008/kde-updates-more-like-a-todo-list/ | 17:17 |
| ScottK | Last time he did this on my blog it seemed like it was particularly pointed at seele because he thinks she's failed to deliver something she owes the community. | 17:18 |
| JontheEchidna | Yeah, same on seele's blog | 17:18 |
| JontheEchidna | numerous times | 17:18 |
| ScottK | Fortunately check, delete is easy enough. | 17:20 |
| * Nightrose is always amazed how some people can keep on talkign about one thing everywhere again and again | 17:21 | |
| Nightrose | you'd think it gets boring at one point or that they get other things to talk about... | 17:22 |
| ScottK | If I were seele, I'd just say patches welcome and leave it at that. | 17:22 |
| a|wen | should we consider some sort of kde4.2.1 announcement at some point? | 17:25 |
| ScottK | Probably. Is it patched up enough to be announcable? | 17:26 |
| markey | can one enable PAE on 32 bit kubuntu to see more than 3GB RAM? | 17:26 |
| a|wen | ScottK: do we have any reports of problems / conflicts we've missed? ... i upgraded without any problems | 17:27 |
| * ScottK hasn't been tracking it. | 17:27 | |
| JontheEchidna | I think there are still several modules not built for amd64 on jaunty | 17:27 |
| ScottK | It seems some people had some plasma issues too. | 17:27 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 17:27 |
| JontheEchidna | but the ppa backports are looking mostly ok except for kdeartwork | 17:27 |
| ScottK | And admin | 17:28 |
| ScottK | Nevermind. PPA U/I is borked | 17:28 |
| a|wen | wasn't the plasma-problems on jaunty due to qt4.5 mostly? | 17:28 |
| smarter | my father upgraded this morning, he got kdeplasma-addons removed | 17:29 |
| smarter | not cool :p | 17:29 |
| smarter | especially since after reinstalling I had to manually edit the plasma config file to put back the plugin names in the right places | 17:29 |
| ScottK | smarter: amd64? | 17:30 |
| smarter | yup | 17:30 |
| ScottK | Not built for 4.2.1 yet | 17:30 |
| smarter | I reinstalled it, and it works | 17:30 |
| cumulus007 | hmm, apt hangs on: | 17:30 |
| smarter | haven't checked if it was 4.2.1 | 17:30 |
| cumulus007 | Removing libgnome-keyring1.0-cil from Mono | 17:30 |
| * smarter doesn't get why people are still using 32bits | 17:30 | |
| ScottK | smarter: No uninstallability due to archive skew is a good start. | 17:31 |
| * ScottK doesn't know what 64 bit does that he cares about. | 17:31 | |
| Sput | it's faster :P | 17:31 |
| ScottK | Not enough to be worth the trouble in my case. | 17:32 |
| Sput | trouble? | 17:32 |
| ScottK | There's some stuff still not so great in 64bit. | 17:32 |
| * Sput doesn't have any trouble with amd64 | 17:32 | |
| Sput | even got flash natively now | 17:32 |
| ScottK | Is it released yet? | 17:33 |
| Sput | now I can see all the shiny flash ads again! | 17:33 |
| smarter | still a beta afaik | 17:33 |
| ScottK | At the very least trouble = reinstall. | 17:33 |
| Sput | Installed versions: 10.0.22.87 | 17:33 |
| smarter | considers it for your next install at least ;) | 17:33 |
| ScottK | Sput: Did you like my blog? | 17:33 |
| Sput | no idea what this is officially :) | 17:33 |
| smarter | also, why didn't we upload to another ppa and copy it to whatever we use now? | 17:33 |
| Sput | ScottK: yeah was nice :) | 17:33 |
| ScottK | Good. | 17:34 |
| ScottK | smarter: You can't copy private PPA to a public repo. We found this out the hard way. | 17:34 |
| smarter | ScottK: saw that, but we can always copy it to another public ppa which isn't advertised, and then to the one we use to deliver the upgrade | 17:35 |
| smarter | would be a lot more flawless | 17:35 |
| a|wen | ScottK: do we know where to start with the build-errors? | 17:36 |
| ScottK | a|wen: For kdeadmin it just looks like a .install file needs updating. | 17:36 |
| a|wen | okay; that one should be easy enough ... have you looked at all the lpia problems? | 17:37 |
| * a|wen starts by fixing kdeartwork | 17:47 | |
| ScottK | I think those just need retry | 17:48 |
| a|wen | ScottK: okay ... should we try one of them and see if that does it; and then try the rest? | 17:48 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Yes. Just make sure you follow the right order based on the deps. | 17:49 |
| ScottK | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph | 17:49 |
| a|wen | ScottK: jup ... but only leaves are left ... all with rdepends are build | 17:50 |
| ScottK | Great. | 17:50 |
| ScottK | That would tend to confirm it's just architecture skew. | 17:50 |
| a|wen | exactly ... i've retried toys (is a small one, so should confirm us soon) | 17:51 |
| a|wen | yay, toys built! ... i'll kick the rest | 18:04 |
| a|wen | hmm, kdeartwork in jaunty failed as well with almost, but not quite the same, error | 18:15 |
| a|wen | ScottK: start by fixing jaunty; and then we do a new backport ^^ ? | 18:17 |
| ScottK | Either way. | 18:17 |
| JontheEchidna | totally weird, artwork built fine in ninjsa | 18:17 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, right sekret | 18:17 |
| ScottK | It's probably easier in this case to just fix the backport directly. | 18:17 |
| a|wen | JontheEchidna: you'll be fixing jaunty then? | 18:18 |
| JontheEchidna | I have no clue why it built in the PPA but not in the main archive | 18:18 |
| FireRabbit | ah I see you guys dropped mono from your intrepid kdebindings backport. if anyone asks, I have them built in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~firerabbit/+archive/ppa | 18:19 |
| JontheEchidna | But I suppose I should... | 18:19 |
| JontheEchidna | but if it built in pbuilder and the PPA I have no clue how I'm going to fix it | 18:20 |
| JontheEchidna | s/if/since | 18:20 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Try it in a pbuilder without universe enabled. | 18:21 |
| JontheEchidna | Ah! Of course... | 18:21 |
| JontheEchidna | and I thought it was a bit strange that there were so many new screensavers.... | 18:21 |
| a|wen | that makes sense, he | 18:22 |
| JontheEchidna | I'll work on it for jaunty | 18:22 |
| a|wen | JontheEchidna: cool ... i'll start making my pbuilder-scripts able to do main-only; and then look on intrepid | 18:24 |
| ScottK | a|wen: That won't affect intrepid. | 18:25 |
| ScottK | The PPA has universe and main | 18:25 |
| a|wen | ScottK: oh ... | 18:26 |
| * a|wen just starts fixing then | 18:26 | |
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| a|wen | regina + kdeartwork building in pbuilder ... i'll go to bed (and hope my pc doesn't overhead during the night) | 20:17 |
| FireRabbit | JontheEchidna: your intrepid backport of kdebindings contains empty qyoto packages =/ | 20:50 |
| Quintasan | Hi | 21:29 |
| * DaSkreech sine waves | 21:32 | |
| Quintasan | hmm, only I get errors when installing plasmoids from Get New Hot Stuff? | 21:34 |
| DaSkreech | Yes | 21:35 |
| DaSkreech | You are hardcoded | 21:35 |
| * DaSkreech ducks | 21:35 | |
| Quintasan | I am hardcoded? wtf xD | 21:37 |
| JontheEchidna | FireRabbit: Oh.. the diff I sent to rgreening (who did the actual backport) must have not included all the changes needed in debian/control | 21:57 |
| JontheEchidna | I would fix it right now but the commenting function in kate doesn't seem to be working :P | 21:58 |
| DaSkreech | Quintasan: Review on Raptor? | 22:09 |
| Quintasan | DaSkreech: Hmm sorry. I don't know what you mean :P | 22:17 |
| DaSkreech | Quintasan: Are you using it? | 22:19 |
| Quintasan | DaSkreech: a little bit, it looks like there are some issuses (searching doesnt work properly) | 22:21 |
| Quintasan | I'm going to update it now | 22:21 |
| DaSkreech | Quintasan: Well there is some work going on Krunner now | 22:22 |
| DaSkreech | so likely some things are missing connections or some such | 22:22 |
| torkiano | hello all, in my jaunty box kmix doesn control the master volume | 22:25 |
| torkiano | anyone with this problem? | 22:25 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: Could you please sponsor the latest kdeartwork bzr? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeartwork/ubuntu | 23:00 |
| JontheEchidna | I testbuilt it in a uni/multiverse-less pbuilder | 23:02 |
| ScottK | Probably in an hour or two. | 23:43 |
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