[00:12] <yao_ziyuan> where can i install qt 4.5 and/or kde 4.3 (trunk) on kubuntu 8.10?
[00:14] <valgaav> google up project neon
[00:15] <valgaav> it provides builds of 4.3
[00:15] <valgaav> qt 4.5 is in jaunty though
[00:16] <yao_ziyuan> is it safe now to upgrade from 8.10 to jaunty?
[00:19] <valgaav> atm there is upgrade going on from kde 4.2.0 to 4.2.1 so I would wait
[00:19] <valgaav> plasma-addons for example is broken for me
[00:20] <valgaav> other then that it should be safe and stable in few days once all the 4.2.1 packages are in palce
[00:20] <valgaav> place
[01:30] <torkiano> hello all, I have problems with kubuntu jaunty and the bluetooth applet
[01:30] <torkiano> It doesn't start when I plug my bluetooth adapter
[01:30] <torkiano> I have to start it manually
[01:30] <torkiano> anyone else?
[02:21] <ScottK> a|wen: Did you have any luck with regina-normal?
[02:28] <torkiano> anyone with problems in jaunty with bluetooth? the applet doesn't start when i active the laptop bluetooth
[02:32] <ScottK> If he'd stick around for more than two minutes ...
[02:32] <DaSkreech> torkiano: Sit!
[02:33] <ScottK> torkiano: It works well for some and not for others.
[02:33] <torkiano> mmm, quassel crash when minimize to systray...
[02:33] <ScottK> torkiano: My advice is file bugs.
[02:34] <ScottK> Not here.
[02:34] <ScottK> torkiano: Look in your home dir for a quassel crash log and file a bug with it attached.
[02:35] <torkiano> ScottK: ok, I'm going to file the bugs
[02:35] <ScottK> torkiano: You can also get debug packages for quassel from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/q/quassel/
[02:35] <ScottK> You might install that so if it crashes again you get a more complete backtrace.
[02:36] <torkiano> ScottK: thank you, installing...
[02:45] <torkiano> is there any decision to use webkit in konqueror?
[02:45] <DaSkreech> no
[02:45] <torkiano> or arora?
[02:46] <DaSkreech> I thought that does use webkit
[02:46] <DaSkreech> as in basically the reason it exists is to use webkit
[02:46] <torkiano> I run arora as my default browser and works very well
[02:47] <DaSkreech> Great
[03:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I thought you were taking care of kde4bindings for kubuntu-experimental?  I don't see it there....
[03:44] <ScottK> Tm_T: koffice2 backport building in my PPA now.  Should be done sometime tomorrow ...
[05:56] <markey> good morning
[06:08] <DaSkreech> hey
[06:48] <markey> FYI, found a solution for my konsole rendering issues from last night:
[06:49] <markey> "konsole --graphicssystem raster"
[06:49] <markey> (with Qt 4.5)
[07:29] <a|wen> ScottK: just got to look at it now... had a lot of $realwork that caught my time; but i'll get it done
[08:56] <Tm_T> ScottK: roger roger, I build it from svn too so we'll see if there's difference in that part
[11:15] <ScottK> Tm_T: Well it FTBFS, so I need to look at it some more.
[11:15] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks.  Good to hear it.
[11:16] <scott_ev> ScottK: do you ever sleep?
[11:16] <ScottK> Sometimes.
[11:16] <scott_ev> understood
[11:16] <Sput> sleep is overrated
[11:16] <scott_ev> true 'nuff
[11:17] <Sput> also, all people who regularly sleep die eventually
[11:17] <scott_ev> there'll be time later
[11:17] <Sput> so I consider sleeping as dangerous
[11:22] <ScottK> Warren Zevon had a song called "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead".
[11:28] <scott_ev> ScottK: showed your age with that one
[11:31] <larsivi_> Sput: life is only a period of time you are supposed to survive
[11:32] <larsivi_> I liked warren zevon -_-
[11:32] <scott_ev> me too
[11:34] <scott_ev> is anyone here further west than UTC-7?
[11:48] <Tonio_> new k3b-kde4 snapshot is going to my ppa, for testers interested...
[11:49] <Tonio_> anyone here has a DVD-RW ? I don't and can't test dvd burning...
[11:52] <scott_ev> I can try it out for you
[11:53] <scott_ev> how can I do that, it's all new to me
[11:53] <scott_ev> I mean how do I get the file?
[11:55] <Tonio_> scott_ev: you have to add my ppa to your sources.list
[11:55] <Tonio_> scott_ev: and then perform a sudo apt-get update
[11:55] <Tonio_> then sudo apt-get install k3b libk3b-extracodecs
[11:56] <Tonio_> and then simply test burning a iso DVD (kubuntu one's a good test...)
[11:56] <scott_ev> ok, how do I get your ppa
[11:56] <Tonio_> and let me know if that works :)
[11:56] <Tonio_> scott_ev: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa
[11:57] <Tonio_> scott_ev this is the line you have to add to your /etc/apt/sources/list : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonio/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[11:57] <scott_ev> k, I have to take the laptop into the other room since kde4 and k3b are on my desktop
[11:58] <Tonio_> oki there is no emergency btw
[11:58] <Tonio_> scott_ev: one you have been able to test, please ping me or send me an email at tonio at ubuntu.com
[11:58] <Tonio_> scott_ev: thanks in advance for the feedback ;)
[11:59] <scott_ev> not a problem, it might take me 30 min as I'm not very awake
[12:02] <scott_ev> Tonio_: would you email your ppa to j dot scott dot gwin at gmail dot com, please?
[12:02] <scott_ev> and the other info you gave me
[12:02] <Tonio_> yup
[12:04] <scott_ev> thx
[12:05] <Tonio_> scott_ev: done
[12:06] <Tonio_> scott_ev: just wait about an hour to try please, I need k3B to be built first
[12:06] <scott_ev> Tonio_: sure
[12:07] <scott_ev> I'll be here all day if we have to do this more than once.  I may be out for 2 hours around 1pm -7UTC
[12:08] <Tonio_> scott_ev: well I hope it works the very first time :) if not I'll to track the issue and patch this WE...
[12:08] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: ScottK: Tonio_: just talked to dfaure who told me Konqueror crashes in startup in 4.2.1 on kubuntu
[12:08] <Nightrose> i can confirm that on intrepid
[12:08] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, Riddell's patch is most likely causing it
[12:09] <JontheEchidna> But I have been puking and nobody else seems to care
[12:09] <Tonio_> Nightrose: grmpf..... that sucks
[12:09] <Nightrose> :/
[12:09] <Tonio_> ScottK: anyone already reported this ? (and no we'll not rediscuss yesterday's point ^^)
[12:10] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I have no way to reproduce, since no intrepid installed here....
[12:10] <JontheEchidna> it crashes in jaunty too
[12:10] <JontheEchidna> konqueror & -> crasj
[12:10] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: yeah but that's no big deal, that's jaunty :)
[12:10] <Nightrose> kubotu: bug 186233
[12:11] <Nightrose> ehmm
[12:11] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: one thing we may consider is when pushing a new kde to stable+1, wait one week for feedback before pushing the backports
[12:11] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: wouldn't that make sense ?
[12:11] <JontheEchidna> Yeah
[12:11] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: Tonio_: in kde bugreport 186233 dfaure explains why it crashes
[12:11] <Nightrose> rgreening: ^
[12:12] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I won't rediscuss the long thread with ScottK yesterday, but I'm concerned not by the fact of backporting kde, but with the process...
[12:12]  * JontheEchidna investigates
[12:12] <Tonio_> Nightrose: having a look
[12:12] <Nightrose> thx Tonio_ :)
[12:12] <Nightrose> thx JontheEchidna
[12:13]  * Nightrose hands JontheEchidna a hot cup of tea and sends him back to bed
[12:13] <JontheEchidna> :)
[12:13] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I can drop the patch for kdebase on jaunty
[12:13] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: would you do that for intrepid ?
[12:14] <JontheEchidna> sure
[12:14] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: better drop the patch I guess...
[12:14] <JontheEchidna> I know that there was a commit to kubuntu-default-settings setting the default seach engine
[12:14] <Tonio_> rgreening: no problem with getting it droped ?
[12:14] <JontheEchidna> which means it definitely wouldn't work on intrepid
[12:15] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: in any case that's bad
[12:15] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: we have people using kde without kds installed
[12:15] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: and that will crash for them
[12:15] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I have kubuntu-default-settings and it crashes for me too :/
[12:16] <JontheEchidna> disabling it for now would be best
[12:16] <Tonio_> patching and let settings in kds so that it won't crash is not a good way to do things I guess...
[12:16] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: let's drop the patch for now, and I'll ping rgreening
[12:17] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: yeah let's just don't apply the patch and keep it in :)
[12:17] <JontheEchidna> well, maybe not for backports
[12:17] <Tonio_> yup
[12:17] <JontheEchidna> for the intrepid backports it'd make sense to just delete it since I don't see it being reapplyed soon
[12:17] <Tonio_> also, I'm concerned by the fact it is not the first time kde devs to complain about some of our patches...
[12:19] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: maybe we can patch the patch in fact
[12:20] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: the problem is that it can become empty...
[12:20] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I can simply test the value and if empty set it to google
[12:20] <JontheEchidna> I'm not too great of an expert w/ C++....
[12:20] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: bah I know how to patch this
[12:20] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[12:21] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I can send you a fixed patch so that you can test
[12:21] <JontheEchidna> well I'll just remove it from intrepid cuz we need something special for jaunty over intrepid ;-)
[12:21] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: as you wish ;)
[12:38] <tsdgeos> are you guys aware that 4.2.1 konqi crashes?
[12:38] <Nightrose> tsdgeos: jep - already being fixed
[12:38] <tsdgeos> ok
[12:39] <tsdgeos> going back to my cave
[12:39] <tsdgeos> thanks gal
[12:39] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:39] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I just uploaded a fixed patch for jaunty
[12:39] <Nightrose> great
[12:39] <JontheEchidna> the intrepid packages are building sans the patch
[12:39] <Tonio_> Nightrose: and JontheEchidna should upload with a droped patch for intrepid...
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> yup :)
[12:40] <Nightrose> yay!
[12:40]  * Tonio_ looks at ScottK
[12:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: now you unerstand what I meant, and that it has never been against you :) that's a process issue !!
[12:41] <JontheEchidna> bah, where'd kde4bindings go in the ppa?
[12:41] <JontheEchidna> rejected?!
[12:42] <JontheEchidna> The source kde4bindings - 4:4.2.1-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 is already accepted in ubuntu/intrepid and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. You have to modify the source version and re-upload.
[12:42] <JontheEchidna> Not that I saw :/
[12:42] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: hum.... partially uploaded maybe ?
[12:42] <Tonio_> that' happended to me once ;)
[12:43] <JontheEchidna> maybe
[12:43] <JontheEchidna> I feel better today, but yesterday I was majorly zoning
[12:44] <JontheEchidna> I only have a little bit of a stomach ache today
[12:45] <scott_ev> Tonio_: I didn't receive that email yet, you sent it, right?
[12:45] <Tonio_> scott_ev: yup
[12:45] <scott_ev> hmm j.scott.gwin@gmail
[12:46] <scott_ev> .com
[12:47] <Tonio_> scott_ev: ah );
[12:47] <Tonio_> scott_ev: then another person will receive it :) I missed the first j.
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/dolphin/bookmarkbutton.png': No such file or directory
[12:48] <JontheEchidna> meh
[12:48] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: s/kde4/kde ?
[12:48] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: the docpath changed afaik
[12:48] <JontheEchidna> it was kde4 in intrepid and changed to kde in jaunty
[12:48] <scott_ev> Tonio_: oh well, looks like I got it now
[12:49] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: you may have to sed -i s/doc
[12:49] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: you may have to sed -i s/doc\/kde4/doc\/kde/ debian/*install
[12:49] <JontheEchidna> kde4 is correct
[12:49] <JontheEchidna> plus I based this off the already-built intrepid backport in kubuntu-experimental
[12:49] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: ah.... hen the change is only for jaunty ?
[12:50] <JontheEchidna> Yes, it was changed to plain old kde in jaunty so that kde3 docs could be read in khelpcenter
[12:50] <Tonio_> kk
[12:50] <JontheEchidna> when it was kde4 khelpcenter would only look for kde4 docs and the kde3 ones in doc/kde/ were always "missing"
[12:50] <Tonio_> makes sense indeed
[12:51] <scott_ev> has it been built yet so I can test this patch, Tonio_ ?
[12:51] <JontheEchidna> oh
[12:51] <Tonio_> scott_ev: nope, the patch is wrong :) trueg confirmed it to me, I just uploaded another one
[12:52] <JontheEchidna> it failed on the first upload in the first place
[12:52] <JontheEchidna> no wonder
[12:52] <scott_ev> ah
[12:52] <Tonio_> scott_ev: as I said there is no emergency, so maybe you could test toonight ?
[12:52] <Tonio_> scott_ev: I'll work a bit on it today
[12:52] <scott_ev> oh, sure
[12:52] <JontheEchidna> nevermind, that was kdeartwork
[12:52] <Tonio_> scott_ev: thanks :)
[12:54] <scott_ev> Tonio_: np, this what I'm hanging around for.  I'll do the same for anyone.  Just email me or message me.  I always keep a presence here, but roam alot.
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> oh, I uploaded it to jaunty
[12:57]  * JontheEchidna facepalms
[12:58] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: dput can be dangerous sometimes :)
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> not to jaunty/main
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> jaunty/kubuntu-experimental
[12:58] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: ah oki ;)
[12:59] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: dch can be dangerous sometimes :)
[12:59] <JontheEchidna> my default dput target is bob
[12:59] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[13:00] <JontheEchidna> default_host_main       = bob
[13:00]  * JontheEchidna stole that from ScottK
[13:02] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'd say this is why we test backports before we put them in the official repo.
[13:02] <Tonio_> ScottK: which makes sense :)
[13:02] <Tonio_> ScottK: I forgot it was experimental :)
[13:03] <Tonio_> ScottK: on that point, I agree with you that people shouldn't complain when getting issues in experimental :)
[13:03] <Tonio_> ScottK: but once again the problem is due to bad communication in the jaunty/intrepid transition...
[13:04] <Tonio_> ScottK: some jaunty patches can have weird effects when backported... and that's pretty difficult to handle...
[13:04] <JontheEchidna> I think its more about people not thinking about that kind of stuff unless it causes FTBFS
[13:05] <scott_ev> sorry, what's FTBFS
[13:05] <JontheEchidna> Fail(s/ed) to build from source
[13:05] <scott_ev> ah, thx
[13:05] <JontheEchidna> yup, no problem
[13:06] <ScottK> Currently if we have stuff that works in Experimental in Intrepid, but not in Jaunty, then I think look at Qt 4.5.  If it doesn't work in both, look at KDE 4.2.1....
[13:09] <Tonio_> ScottK: I've noticed a few issues which seem due to qt4.5 right now, like redraw problems...
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> Oh, there's also a bug where kio slaves can't open unicode stuff w/ Qt 4.5 final
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> there's a patch we need to apply for jaunty
[13:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I can probably sponsor some stuff today to get things fixed up, but not much more.
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 186038
[13:18] <JontheEchidna> Apparently we weren't suppoed to release KDE 4.2.1 with Qt 4.5 final, lol
[13:18] <JontheEchidna> Though you can't really blame 'em for the bug I guess
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> since 4.5 final came out the day before 4.2.1 did
[13:19] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: was anything copied from the ppa to jaunty, or was everything rebuild?
[13:20] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: it had to be rebuilt, apparently you can't copy from private to public repos
[13:20] <a|wen> oh, okay
[13:21] <a|wen> pretty amazing that everything built on qt4.5 without any problems
[13:21]  * JontheEchidna tests his new bugfix'd kdebase-workspace package
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> Qt is pretty good about maintaining binary/API compatibility
[13:22] <a|wen> yeah, i think you're right
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> What would really amaze me would be if KDE worked without any regressions :P
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> though plasma seems to work perfectly with Qt 4.5.0 except for the cashew, which has minor glitches
[13:24] <a|wen> and that has been disproven already i believe ;)
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> disproven?
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> I cleared my pixmap cache and all the plasma graphical glitches I had disappeared except for that
[13:24] <a|wen> haven't we seen some regressions already?
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> in Plasma?
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> With RC1 it had several glitches. Folderview and looked awful and some svg elements had 1-pixel gaps in them
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> But after the update to 4.5.0 and clearing your plasma pixmap cache most of those should be gone
[13:26] <a|wen> okay, that is indeed amazing
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> rm /var/tmp/kdecache-USERNAME/kpc/plasma*
[13:28]  * a|wen considers if it is time to upgrade to jaunty ... or just try out qt4.5 in intrepid
[13:30] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: need me to upload the ioslaves fix ?
[13:31] <JontheEchidna> I haven't committed it to bzr or anything, but it'd be nice if you could apply the patch and upload it
[13:31] <JontheEchidna> Also it'd be nice if a core-dev could sponsor the latest bzr for kdebase-workspace: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu
[13:32] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I can't seem to reproduce, btw...
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: the testcase in the kde bug is somewhat flawed
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> you have to try to save the file or something
[13:32] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: k
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> then it freaks
[13:33] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: well you're testing the fix right ? ping me when into bzr to that I can upload :)
[13:33]  * Tonio_ uploading kdebase-workspace
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> Nope, I haven't touched the ioslave fix
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> by the time David closed it I was on the road to pukesville
[13:34] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: ok I'll do both then ;)
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> thx :)
[13:35] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: 4.2.1a ?
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, there was a tarball change
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> before we released 4.2.1 to jaunty at all
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> we had the opportunity to change it back to 4.2.1 but Riddell never did
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> not a big deal though
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> I have testbuilt this in the kubuntu-experimental PPA (jaunty, of course)
[13:37] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[13:38] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I trust you so I won't re-test
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> By the way, have you been able to report any bugs at bugs.kde.org for network manager? It always fails with an internal error for me
[13:40] <Tonio_> the plasmoid ?
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> would that be the best way to report problems with it anyhow?
[13:40] <Tonio_> hum... weird... never eard about an issue with it...
[13:41] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I guess email upstream if not on kde bts...
[13:41] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: or ping sebas :)
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> I was wanting to forward bug 336190
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> btw I migrated some wishlist items from knetworkmanager over to plasma-widget-network-manager
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> Ones that have upstream bugs for KDE4 or are in the todo file
[13:53] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: both fixes uploaded, thanks for pinging me for this :)
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: you're welcome
[13:54] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: yeah I've seen that sometimes...
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> lol: http://xkcd.com/552/
[14:10] <jpds> vorian: My word.
[14:11] <jpds> vorian: Where did you get all that karma from?
[14:11] <jpds> Riddell: Hey, how's Nigeria?
[14:11] <jpds> vorian: Oh, that rosetta bug..
[14:14] <Riddell> jpds: lovely thanks!
[14:26] <rickspencer3> Riddell: Aren't you traveling to Nigeria?
[14:26] <Tonio_> hi Riddell, rickspencer3
[14:27] <seele> rickspencer3: i beleive he is already there
[14:27] <rickspencer3> hi Tonio_
[14:27] <rickspencer3> so Traveling "in" Nigeria, then :)
[14:27] <Tonio_> and hi seele too
[14:27] <seele> rickspencer3: btw, who is david siegel?
[14:27]  * seele waves to Tonio_ 
[14:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: hope you appreciate the trip :)
[14:29] <rickspencer3> davidbarth: do you know who seele is asking about ^^^?
[14:55] <vorian> jpds: yeah, crappy eh?
[14:55] <vorian> i got over 13,000 emails yesterday from rosetta, and about 4 or 5k this morning before #lp helped me out
[14:56] <jpds> seele: I think he's the GNOME Do guy.
[14:56] <jpds> vorian: Harsh.
[14:56] <vorian> yus
[14:56] <seele> do?
[14:57] <vorian> doesn't david siegel do the animated shorts on SNL?
[14:57]  * vorian is confused
[14:57] <ScottK> jpds: No.  It's a feature because it's always good to let people know stuff.
[14:57] <jpds> seele: https://edge.launchpad.net/~djsiegel
[14:57] <seele> jpds: ah
[15:02] <scott_ev> vorian: mornin, guy
[15:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you see http://www.freehackers.org/thomas/2009/03/06/updating-to-kde-421-delete-your-plasma-files-again/
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, although I can't say I can reproduce any of his issues
[15:18] <ScottK> OK.
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> Oh, maybe lancelot is a bit cpu-hoggy when in use
[15:20] <Quintasan> Hi\
[15:22] <Quintasan> Why installing Google Gadgets is not available?
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> bug 314778
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> It wasn't able to make it into main, and we can't compile kdebase-workspace against stuff that's in universe
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> and nobody's had the time to mutilate the plasma plugin into its own package
[15:33] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: that's probably something we have to keep in mind for karmic...
[15:35] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: have you uploaded in kubuntu-experimental for the konsole/yakuake bug ?
[15:35] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: upstream is asking if the fix is only for jaunty....
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> which bug was that again?
[15:37] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: KDE bug #171544
[15:38] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I have the patch in jaunty package, so if anyone is willing to put the patch for kdebase in experimental/intrepid, that would be nice :)
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> I could do that
[15:38] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: thanks :)
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> nixternal was also talking about a patch, is that related?
[15:39] <Tonio_> nixternal: I think it's this one :)
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah that is the one
[15:40] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: you probably can just backup the latest kdebase
[15:40] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: it should fix the konqueror crash too
[15:40] <Tonio_> s/backup/backport
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I probably could
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> hmm... bug 320028
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> Looking at the libs/ dir in svn it doesn't look like its fixed yet
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> actually it doesn't look like it's been touched that much recently at all
[15:53] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: we can ping sebas about this issue
[15:56] <Sime> how can you turn off auto-desktop locking? screen locking?
[15:57] <Tonio_> Sime: 2 places to do that : screensaver settings, and powermanagement
[15:57] <Sime> Tonio_: I've got both turned off.
[15:57] <Tonio_> Sime: the battery monitor plasmoid also can lock the laptop :)
[15:58] <Tonio_> Sime: check out the profiles and change those settings
[15:58] <Sime> it is not runnig
[15:58] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I must say I don't get the current issue for plasma-widget-nw
[15:58] <Tonio_> Sime: hum.... the daemon might be running
[15:58] <Tonio_> Sime: install the applet and have a look :)
[15:59] <Sime> what is the kblankscrn.kss process?
[15:59] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I can patch to move them into /usr/lib/kde4, anyway
[15:59] <Tonio_> Sime: dunno...
[16:00] <Sime> it's dead now. :)
[16:04] <allee> Tonio_: if auto-desktop locking uses N different vars, it's a bug in N-1 apps ;)
[16:04] <Tonio_> allee: :)
[16:08] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: for the NM applet, there are 2 ways to do.... split out the package or patch to move the files...
[16:08] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'll ping Riddell about that...
[16:14] <nixternal> Tonio_: that's the one
[16:15] <nixternal> it works fine, I have already tested it here
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> Sime: that's the screensaver process
[16:38] <ScottK> So I begged for some help on fixing the Qt 4.5 ICE on Power PC at the release team meeting.  Action was assigned.  So perhaps there's still hope for that arch.
[16:52] <a|wen> ScottK: regarding regina-normal ... it is one of the python math-tests (triangulation) that fails; so most likely due to the python transition
[16:52] <ScottK> Lovely.
[16:52] <ScottK> Could you ping upstream and see if they have a solution?
[16:53] <ScottK> Since it's an application, not a module we can pin it to 2.5 if needed, but there's no guarantee all needed modules will be availalbe for 2.5, so that's not ideal.
[16:53] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks for looking into it.
[16:55] <a|wen> ScottK: i'll try pin-pointing a solution
[17:01] <a|wen> or alternatively it could also be due to the boost transition
[17:01] <ScottK> If we have to drop the boost bit, it's not critical as there are others that are problematic.
[17:02] <ScottK> Ideally I'd like to push boost out of the archive, but it's going to take some work.
[17:02] <a|wen> i'll try to change boost / python back respectively and see if any of that helps us
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: That one dude is like a broken record about a KDE HIG all over the internet
[17:15] <ScottK> Yeah.
[17:15] <ScottK> I'm not going to approve any more KDE HIG comments from him.
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> He thinks that all software must suck unless it follows an almighty HIG
[17:16] <Nightrose> hehe who?
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> Some guy named Vladim P.
[17:16] <Nightrose> ah
[17:16] <ScottK> http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/03/open_source_usability_success.html
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> http://weblog.obso1337.org/2008/kde-updates-more-like-a-todo-list/
[17:18] <ScottK> Last time he did this on my blog it seemed like it was particularly pointed at seele because he thinks she's failed to deliver something she owes the community.
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, same on seele's blog
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> numerous times
[17:20] <ScottK> Fortunately check, delete is easy enough.
[17:21]  * Nightrose is always amazed how some people can keep on talkign about one thing everywhere again and again
[17:22] <Nightrose> you'd think it gets boring at one point or that they get other things to talk about...
[17:22] <ScottK> If I were seele, I'd just say patches welcome and leave it at that.
[17:25] <a|wen> should we consider some sort of kde4.2.1 announcement at some point?
[17:26] <ScottK> Probably.  Is it patched up enough to be announcable?
[17:26] <markey> can one enable PAE on 32 bit kubuntu to see more than 3GB RAM?
[17:27] <a|wen> ScottK: do we have any reports of problems / conflicts we've missed? ... i upgraded without any problems
[17:27]  * ScottK hasn't been tracking it.
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> I think there are still several modules not built for amd64 on jaunty
[17:27] <ScottK> It seems some people had some plasma issues too.
[17:27] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> but the ppa backports are looking mostly ok except for kdeartwork
[17:28] <ScottK> And admin
[17:28] <ScottK> Nevermind.  PPA U/I is borked
[17:28] <a|wen> wasn't the plasma-problems on jaunty due to qt4.5 mostly?
[17:29] <smarter> my father upgraded this morning, he got kdeplasma-addons removed
[17:29] <smarter> not cool :p
[17:29] <smarter> especially since after reinstalling I had to manually edit the plasma config file to put back the plugin names in the right places
[17:30] <ScottK> smarter: amd64?
[17:30] <smarter> yup
[17:30] <ScottK> Not built for 4.2.1 yet
[17:30] <smarter> I reinstalled it, and it works
[17:30] <cumulus007> hmm, apt hangs on:
[17:30] <smarter> haven't checked if it was 4.2.1
[17:30] <cumulus007> Removing libgnome-keyring1.0-cil from Mono
[17:30]  * smarter doesn't get why people are still using 32bits
[17:31] <ScottK> smarter: No uninstallability due to archive skew is a good start.
[17:31]  * ScottK doesn't know what 64 bit does that he cares about.
[17:31] <Sput> it's faster :P
[17:32] <ScottK> Not enough to be worth the trouble in my case.
[17:32] <Sput> trouble?
[17:32] <ScottK> There's some stuff still not so great in 64bit.
[17:32]  * Sput doesn't have any trouble with amd64
[17:32] <Sput> even got flash natively now
[17:33] <ScottK> Is it released yet?
[17:33] <Sput> now I can see all the shiny flash ads again!
[17:33] <smarter> still a beta afaik
[17:33] <ScottK> At the very least trouble = reinstall.
[17:33] <Sput> Installed versions:  10.0.22.87
[17:33] <smarter> considers it for your next install at least ;)
[17:33] <ScottK> Sput: Did you like my blog?
[17:33] <Sput> no idea what this is officially :)
[17:33] <smarter> also, why didn't we upload to another ppa and copy it to whatever we use now?
[17:33] <Sput> ScottK: yeah was nice :)
[17:34] <ScottK> Good.
[17:34] <ScottK> smarter: You can't copy private PPA to a public repo.   We found this out the hard way.
[17:35] <smarter> ScottK: saw that, but we can always copy it to another public ppa which isn't advertised, and then to the one we use to deliver the upgrade
[17:35] <smarter> would be a lot more flawless
[17:36] <a|wen> ScottK: do we know where to start with the build-errors?
[17:36] <ScottK> a|wen: For kdeadmin it just looks like a .install file needs updating.
[17:37] <a|wen> okay; that one should be easy enough ... have you looked at all the lpia problems?
[17:47]  * a|wen starts by fixing kdeartwork
[17:48] <ScottK> I think those just need retry
[17:48] <a|wen> ScottK: okay ... should we try one of them and see if that does it; and then try the rest?
[17:49] <ScottK> a|wen: Yes.  Just make sure you follow the right order based on the deps.
[17:49] <ScottK> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph
[17:50] <a|wen> ScottK: jup ... but only leaves are left ... all with rdepends are build
[17:50] <ScottK> Great.
[17:50] <ScottK> That would tend to confirm it's just architecture skew.
[17:51] <a|wen> exactly ... i've retried toys (is a small one, so should confirm us soon)
[18:04] <a|wen> yay, toys built! ... i'll kick the rest
[18:15] <a|wen> hmm, kdeartwork in jaunty failed as well with almost, but not quite the same, error
[18:17] <a|wen> ScottK: start by fixing jaunty; and then we do a new backport ^^ ?
[18:17] <ScottK> Either way.
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> totally weird, artwork built fine in ninjsa
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, right sekret
[18:17] <ScottK> It's probably easier in this case to just fix the backport directly.
[18:18] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: you'll be fixing jaunty then?
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> I have no clue why it built in the PPA but not in the main archive
[18:19] <FireRabbit> ah I see you guys dropped mono from your intrepid kdebindings backport. if anyone asks, I have them built in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~firerabbit/+archive/ppa
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> But I suppose I should...
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> but if it built in pbuilder and the PPA I have no clue how I'm going to fix it
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> s/if/since
[18:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Try it in a pbuilder without universe enabled.
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> Ah! Of course...
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> and I thought it was a bit strange that there were so many new screensavers....
[18:22] <a|wen> that makes sense, he
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> I'll work on it for jaunty
[18:24] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: cool ... i'll start making my pbuilder-scripts able to do main-only; and then look on intrepid
[18:25] <ScottK> a|wen: That won't affect intrepid.
[18:25] <ScottK> The PPA has universe and main
[18:26] <a|wen> ScottK: oh ...
[18:26]  * a|wen just starts fixing then
[20:17] <a|wen> regina + kdeartwork building in pbuilder ... i'll go to bed (and hope my pc doesn't overhead during the night)
[20:50] <FireRabbit> JontheEchidna: your intrepid backport of kdebindings contains empty qyoto packages =/
[21:29] <Quintasan> Hi
[21:32]  * DaSkreech sine waves
[21:34] <Quintasan> hmm, only I get errors when installing plasmoids from Get New Hot Stuff?
[21:35] <DaSkreech> Yes
[21:35] <DaSkreech> You are hardcoded
[21:35]  * DaSkreech ducks
[21:37] <Quintasan> I am hardcoded? wtf xD
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> FireRabbit: Oh.. the diff I sent to rgreening (who did the actual backport) must have not included all the changes needed in debian/control
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> I would fix it right now but the commenting function in kate doesn't seem to be working :P
[22:09] <DaSkreech> Quintasan: Review on Raptor?
[22:17] <Quintasan> DaSkreech: Hmm sorry. I don't know what you mean :P
[22:19] <DaSkreech> Quintasan: Are you using it?
[22:21] <Quintasan> DaSkreech: a little bit, it looks like there are some issuses (searching doesnt work properly)
[22:21] <Quintasan> I'm going to update it now
[22:22] <DaSkreech> Quintasan: Well there is some work going on Krunner now
[22:22] <DaSkreech> so likely some things are missing connections or some such
[22:25] <torkiano> hello all, in my jaunty box kmix doesn control the master volume
[22:25] <torkiano> anyone with this problem?
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Could you please sponsor the latest kdeartwork bzr? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeartwork/ubuntu
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> I testbuilt it in a uni/multiverse-less pbuilder
[23:43] <ScottK> Probably in an hour or two.