[00:10] <OzFalcon> Does it work under 8.04 or 8.10?
[01:02] <admin_masu3701> was upgrading to 9.04 but it froze at Getting new packages...it says Fetching file 1595 of 1595..now its stock there for like an hour
[01:02] <admin_masu3701> do anyone know what i should do at this point?
[01:03] <danbhfive> admin_masu3701: well, if its just getting the packages, I think you could try just starting over
[01:04] <admin_masu3701> so just cancel it and restart? cause it not moving no more
[01:05] <danbhfive> yeah, and if it happens again, file a bug report
[01:05] <admin_masu3701> ok
[01:06] <admin_masu3701> so nothing was installed at this point right?
[01:07] <danbhfive> if you say so.  I'm not totally sure
[01:07] <danbhfive> you could have to check some sort of log file, may /var/log/dpkg something
[01:47] <milos_> why is 'System setting' option grayed out in network manager?
[01:47] <milos_> ... in kubuntu
[01:49] <milos_> i mean disabled
[01:58] <Infecto> milos_: what i heard, network in kubuntu is broken.
[02:00] <milos_> Infecto: it runs perfectly fine in my case. Wifi was very bed before.
[02:01] <Infecto> milos_: thats what i hear today
[02:02] <SeveredCross> Does anyone happen to know if Ubiquity is broken on recent dailies?
[02:03] <SeveredCross> It gets stuck after choosing the keyboard layout.
[02:03] <milos_> Infecto: i guess this option is disabled because there were some problems.
[02:04] <Infecto> we will se :)
[02:06] <SeveredCross> Oh, never mind, partitioner just took ages to start.
[02:18] <milos__> can somebody ping me? I need to test notifications.
[02:18] <SeveredCross> milos__: Ping.
[02:19] <milos__> SeveredCross: thnx
[02:19] <SeveredCross> No problem.
[02:19] <SeveredCross> Now if only I could get notify-osd to notify me when I'm pinged in irssi in my terminal.
[02:20] <SeveredCross> Unfortunately that would require notify-osd to somehow talk to a remote irssi. -_-'
[02:21] <daftykins> ^_^
[02:23] <SeveredCross> I suppose it might be doable with some Perl magic and a local daemon running that knew how to speak to notify-osd...That would mean learning how to work with libnotify though.
[02:26] <daftykins> or you could code some kind of irssi add-on that automatically notified you by some other means that someone had highlighted you
[02:27] <crdlb> that's been done
[02:27] <crdlb> haven't tried it, but: http://hohwie.com/blog/?p=8=1
[02:31] <SeveredCross> Oh, wow.
[02:31] <SeveredCross> That's...perfet.
[02:37] <SeveredCross> Though the scripts are a bit jumbled. I'll make it work.
[02:42] <victory747> I'm wondering about the deprecated md5 and sha modules in python.  It keeps warning that we should use hashlib instead.  This is really annoying as these are not my scripts that are causing this.
[02:43] <victory747> And if these modules still work in python 2.6, why do we need to be told that they are deprecated every time they are used?
[02:43] <crdlb> victory747: because they don't in 3.0
[02:43] <victory747> but there is a LOT that is deprecated in 3.0
[02:44] <victory747> every script will need to be tested in 3.0, so why tell us about this one module?
[02:44] <crdlb> indeed, but most of it can be fixed by the 2to3.py script
[02:44] <victory747> still, end users should not be seeing these warnings in ubuntu packages (like bzr-svn in my case)
[02:45] <crdlb> jaunty hasn't been released
[02:45] <crdlb> I expect they'll all be fixed; it's not exactly difficult to convert them
[02:45] <victory747> right, so that's why I'm here
[02:45] <crdlb> you can file a bug if it hasn't already been done
[02:45] <daftykins> python is dropping SHA1 ?
[02:45] <victory747> should I file bug reports against each one?
[02:46] <victory747> daftykins, no, just import sha - instead should use hashlib
[02:46] <daftykins> ah
[02:46] <daftykins> was curious, regarding all the recent website SSL certificate contents talk
[02:46] <daftykins> i.e. how most still have MD5 sums inside, should totally be removed
[02:47] <Slartibartfast> So i just did the usual update process, which installed firefox 3.0.7; and still it has the same behavior as 3.0.6 of crashing when it gets shut down.
[02:47] <daftykins> "shutdown" ?
[02:47] <daftykins> the PC shutdown, or?
[02:47] <daftykins> just closed?
[02:47] <Slartibartfast>  ... click the cross in the right upper corner
[02:47] <daftykins> oic, closing :P
[02:48] <Slartibartfast> yes ... shutdown ff
[02:48] <Slartibartfast> :-)
[02:48] <daftykins> that's totally the wrong word to use in that context.
[02:48] <Slartibartfast> Oh ... :-) OK OK
[02:48] <daftykins> ^_^
[02:48] <daftykins> that's pretty lame
[02:48] <Slartibartfast> Sorry .. then i mean Close
[02:48] <daftykins> good dog, have a biscuit
[02:49] <Slartibartfast> Thanks :-(
[02:49] <daftykins> *sigh*
[02:49] <daftykins> i feel like a total newb for trying debian constantly
[02:49] <usser> Slartibartfast, yep same here
[02:49] <daftykins> and always coming back to ubuntu
[02:50] <usser> debian is pure awesomeness packed into a nice tasty little package
[02:51] <daftykins> not much really worked though :D
[02:51] <daftykins> but then that's the same for Ubuntu
[02:51] <Slartibartfast> Debian's kernel seems to make it quiet problamatic on my PC /// something knubuntu, Opensuse, Mandriva, and Fedora doesn't do
[02:51] <daftykins> i mean for the love of god when are they going to fix the delay on shutdown/reboot when fstab contains cifs/smb mounts O_O
[02:52] <usser> daftykins, mounting samba shares in fstab is not a good idea period.
[02:52] <usser> server goes down, network connectivity issues, samba share is left hanging
[02:52] <usser> never reconnects, for me at least
[02:53] <daftykins> nah they're cifs mounts
[02:53] <daftykins> to my networked file server
[02:53] <daftykins> which runs 24/7
[02:53] <daftykins> though yeah i do wonder how sensible it is if i do it on a laptop i travel with
[02:53] <daftykins> 'cause it could quite easily give out my password on LAN when it tries to find it
[02:56] <ian1> ack!  latest update breaks Revelation ... revelation: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[02:56] <ian1> E: Broken packages
[03:05] <ian1> ah https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/revelation/+bug/335854
[03:07] <JanC> ian1: that was announced
[03:08] <JanC> python 2.6 is becoming the default python
[03:08] <JanC> I have at least 30-40 packages held up like that  ;)
[03:10] <JanC> actually, 43
[03:16] <JanC> no 37
[03:18] <Rolle> Ahh much calmer in here =)   Can someone check my backtrace... i don't think i did it properly
[03:18] <Rolle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/328870
[03:20] <daftykins> hehe
[03:20] <daftykins> "write" direction
[03:20] <daftykins> like it
[03:20] <daftykins> no idea here i'm afraid, was just looking
[03:21] <crdlb> Rolle: well, there is no fglrx yet for jaunty
[03:21] <Rolle> i'm newb =p  so no fglrx explains all my graphic problems with this toshiba?
[03:23] <crdlb> support for R600 and R700 is experimental at best with the open source radeon driver
[03:23] <Rolle> my xorg.conf has nothing in the file---isn't that wrong?
[03:23] <crdlb> nope
[03:24] <Rolle> okay, so once it rolls out into beta all that will be added?
[03:24] <crdlb> please pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:24] <Rolle> sur thing
[03:24] <crdlb> unless I missed it in the bugreport
[03:25] <yao_ziyuan> to upgrade to jaunty from intrepid, should i enable "backport" or "proposed" or both?
[03:25] <dtchen> neither
[03:25] <dtchen> e.g., use `sudo do-release-upgrade -d'
[03:26] <yao_ziyuan> is it safe to upgrade now?
[03:26] <dtchen> what are your working constraints?
[03:26] <Rolle> any syntax highlightng i should use for pastebin crdlb ?
[03:26] <dtchen> we're still amidst a serious Python 2.6 transition
[03:26] <dtchen> i.e., many packages will be uninstallable
[03:26] <yao_ziyuan> .
[03:27] <crdlb> Rolle: plain text is fine unless you found one with an X log hilight :)
[03:27] <JanC> according to my crude grep-based approach, there are 256 packages that need changes for python 2.6 still  ;)
[03:29] <Rolle> heh not quite =p   here's the pastebin (but lemme warn its over 1k lines http://pastebin.com/m4b6d7c62
[03:29] <crdlb> that's why you use a pastebin :)
[03:30] <Rolle> i just hope the xorg.0.log doesn't show all the porn i watch =)
[03:30] <jumpkick> how do I get my nautilius desktop back?
[03:31] <jumpkick> I logged in today and crash, crash crash...   I guess I need to dig though my .x* configs to see if I can find what starts the desktop
[03:31] <crdlb> Rolle: ah, ok, I think the GLX failure is due to fglrx being installed
[03:32] <crdlb> but uninstalling that wouldn't actually give you accelerated 3D
[03:32] <crdlb> just working software glx
[03:32] <Rolle> i didn't think i installed flgrx unless it carried over with the update to the jaunti
[03:33] <crdlb> it was
[03:33] <crdlb> that's the proprietary ATI driver if you didn't realize
[03:33] <jumpkick> hmm...
[03:33] <Rolle> would removing it fix the ff3 scrolling prob?
[03:33] <crdlb> hopefully, 9.3 will support xserver 1.6 (and therefore jaunty)
[03:33]  * jumpkick thinks his app crash reports for multiple apps are triggered but ungraceful shutdown of shutdown applet
[03:34] <crdlb> Rolle: that's probably just due to using a driver without any acceleration
[03:35] <Rolle> crdlb:  you still speaking way over my head ;)  i'm a person who can follow directions well but interpretting and making a jump from a to b is harder for me.  So a driver without any acceleration...  the ati driver is enabled---i tried disabling it a week ago but it wouldn't disable using gui method
[03:36] <Rolle> *as i thought the driver may have been the problem as well
[03:36] <crdlb> the proprietary ATI driver can't wor until it's updated for xserver 1.6, which is your problem
[03:36] <crdlb> work*
[03:36] <Rolle> so i should just updated it =p
[03:37]  * Rolle reads real quick how to be a coder
[03:37] <daftykins> be quicker for you to sell your ATI card and get an nvidia one ;)
[03:37] <crdlb> unfortunately, fglrx is a proprietary driver, so only ATI can do it :)
[03:37] <daftykins> but i believe they're not supported either
[03:37] <Rolle> hmmm coding for dummies didn't having any ideas :)
[03:38] <Rolle> why can't drivers be open source
[03:38] <crdlb> nvidia -173 and -180 are available, I believe (so FX and newer)
[03:38] <Rolle> i hate them
[03:38] <crdlb> that's what the radeon driver you're using is :)
[03:38] <crdlb> but they _just_ started work on R600 and R700 support
[03:38] <Rolle> ahh =)  i thought i read that ati went more linux friendly
[03:38] <crdlb> yes, by what I just said :)
[03:39] <daftykins> apparently they;re still pants
[03:39] <Rolle> but toshhiba should die... they give me atheros wifi card i hate them =)
[03:39] <crdlb> they provided the hardware documentation and a few developers
[03:39] <Rolle> so should i give ati a call?
[03:39] <crdlb> atheros is better now that madwifi is finally dead
[03:40] <Rolle> true crdlb my atheros card worked with 0 setup when i upgraded to 9.04
[03:40] <Rolle> but when going from hardy to 8.10 i still had to manipulate some shat
[03:41] <crdlb> ath5k still needs some work for newer chipsets, but my old AR5212 works flawlessly
[03:41] <Rolle> the problem is that i had to go through 5 dif things to try and get it to work
[03:41] <Rolle> i still want to learn how to use the aircrack =p  i'm such a noob i even find that hard to use =p
[03:42] <Rolle> so should i purge my ati driver?
[03:43] <crdlb> it's worth a shot to disable it
[03:43] <crdlb> I don't think you'll get any 2d acceleration even without it interfering, but you could try :)
[03:43] <Rolle> can  you give me pointers on doing it @ the terminal level.. the gui wouldn't work when i tried it
[03:43] <crdlb> sudo apt-get --purge remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:43] <Rolle> i get 0 accelleration period
[03:43] <crdlb> and reboot
[03:46] <Rolle> okay it removed---i'll be back in hopefully a minute (booting isn't much quicker with 9.04 for me than 8.10 though)
[03:46] <Rolle> oh wait
[03:46] <Rolle> dpkg - warning: while removing xorg-driver-fglrx, directory `/etc/ati' not empty so not removed.
[03:46] <Rolle> will that be removed upon reboot?
[03:46] <crdlb> no
[03:47] <crdlb> you probably used the ATI installer at some point?
[03:47] <Rolle> i had cataylst on 8.04
[03:47] <crdlb> right, but if you ran the installer, that'd explain it
[03:47] <crdlb> from ati.com
[03:47] <Rolle> i think so i did
[03:47] <Rolle> not on 9.04 but on a prev version
[03:48] <crdlb> meh, you may need to run the uninstall option on that to really clean up
[03:48] <Rolle> catalyst went missing now though =p
[03:48] <crdlb> hmm, what's in /etc/ati right now?
[03:49] <Rolle> 1 file:  AMDPCSDB
[03:49] <Rolle> but its in lowercase
[03:50] <crdlb> 'AMD Persistent Configuration Store Database' lovely
[03:50] <Rolle> i can pastebin it for you if it helps?
[03:51] <jumpkick> Does anyone know if there is a bug already for shutdown creating all kinds of app crashes?  I'd like to subscribe to it
[03:51] <crdlb> no, just leave it there
[03:51] <Rolle> jumpkick---ihave 0 bugs when shutting down--just on hibernate or suspend
[03:51] <crdlb> Rolle: if there's a problem with this residual fglrx install, you'll find out when you try to install the new fglrx that supports jaunty when it gets released
[03:52] <crdlb> so we can just wait till then :)
[03:52] <jumpkick> Rolle: 32-bit or 64-bit?
[03:52] <Rolle> 64 bit
[03:52] <jumpkick> me too...   when I shutdown
[03:52] <jumpkick> I get app crashes from whatever was open
[03:52] <jumpkick> it starts asking me if I want to send all these reports, but the bugs are all dups
[03:52] <jumpkick> so it doesn't attach my dumps
[03:53] <jumpkick> when I click on them
[03:53] <Rolle> i don't get those crashes
[03:53] <jumpkick> Rolle, do you use the shutdown appliet with the light switch?
[03:53] <Rolle> i only get crashed on the hibernate and suspend--- thanks for the help crdlb i'll just be patient =)
[03:53] <JanC> bah, something that evolution uses is borked
[03:53] <jumpkick> I use that one and usually let it time out after 60 seconds
[03:53] <Rolle> i try to help and report
[03:54] <Rolle> and i figure its a way for me to better know my computer =)
[03:54] <Rolle> if ATI is working with linux--why are they having their drivers as proprietary?
[03:55] <Rolle> couldn't the linux community fix their errors quicker than them?
[03:55] <crdlb> they can't release the code in fglrx and nobody really wants them too
[03:55] <crdlb> to*
[03:56] <JanC> and I suspect seahorse-agent...
[03:56] <jumpkick> patients and contracts problem, they didn't write it all or don't own all the copyrights to release it
[03:56] <Rolle> lol---so because they are usuing code that doesn't belong to them they don't want to release it
[03:57] <Rolle> beautiful---copyright on math seems stupid to me
[03:57] <jumpkick> so with a crashing Nautilus desktop explorer gnome is now like kde4...
[03:57] <jumpkick> that one would crash with no way to restart the desktop filemanager too
[03:58] <DanaG> My biggest single gripe with the OSS radeon: it sucks power like crazy.
[03:58] <DanaG> <insert "your mom" joke here>
[03:58] <JanC> crdlb: I'm sure many people want them to release the code...
[03:59] <crdlb> DanaG: now that fglrx is dead for <R600, I imagine they'll make it more of a priority
[03:59] <Rolle> so are ati users at the total whimm of proprietary peeps?
[03:59] <crdlb> JanC: none of the radeon developers
[03:59]  * DanaG is on R600, actually.
[03:59] <DanaG> And fglrx was broken for me even on Intrepid, oddly enough.
[03:59] <crdlb> DanaG: right, but it'll still apply
[03:59] <Rolle> i imagine my card is built in so its not like i could replace it
[03:59] <JanC> crdlb: the radeon developers are < 10 people I guess :P
[03:59] <ian1> just updated to latest packages in Jaunty-- Evolution couldn't send IMAP to GMail using TLS, but when I changed it to SSL it worked
[04:00] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[04:00] <crdlb> fglrx's code is crap and even if it weren't, it'd need to be completely reworked to be a viable open source driver
[04:00] <crdlb> though it's not as bad as nvidia in that respect
[04:00] <JanC> but it includes valuable information about how to drive the hardware
[04:01] <Rolle> so why don't people make it uncrappy?
[04:01] <crdlb> they have specs and people working at AMD now :)
[04:01] <JanC> they don't have specs about the 3D engine AFAIK
[04:01] <JanC> or not all of it
[04:01] <Rolle> amd=good for linux?
[04:01] <DanaG> Right now I can't use linux on battery for very long... 30 watts == ouch.
[04:01] <crdlb> well, they're certainly coming if they don't have them
[04:01] <DanaG> Idle on battery in Windows is ~20 watts.
[04:02] <DanaG> damned firefox keeps losing history and favorites.
[04:02] <Rolle> my amd runs hot as fk
[04:02] <Rolle> i guess all amd's do
[04:02] <DanaG> It won't keep its grubby little hands off the files... so if you get a crash on FAT32... goodbye, places.sqlite.
[04:02] <JanC> DanaG: I get ~20 W on my Intel-based laptop in linux
[04:03] <JanC> actually if I put the LCD backlight at the lowest I get 15W or such
[04:03] <Rolle> but my computer shuts down because of overheating in ubuntu...it never crashes because of overheating in vista
[04:04] <Rolle> and the screen doesn't even shut off with closed lid---it just gives a "black" background
[04:04] <DanaG> Yeah, my laptop runs hot under Ubuntu, because it leaves the GPU running full-bore, it seems.
[04:04] <DanaG> Or downclocks it.. without downvolting it.
[04:05] <JanC> Rolle: that's bad, it should at least put the backlight off
[04:05] <JanC> because that's a large part of power consumption
[04:05] <crdlb> Rolle: just now or with fglrx too?
[04:05] <Rolle> it did with fglrx---ever since i started linux on here.
[04:06] <Rolle> i haven't rebooted yet.... but i know the touchpad is hot as fck when i open the lid meaning power wasn't reduced
[04:07] <Rolle>  i think the problem is not a lot of the developers use toshiba =p
[04:08] <DanaG> Toshiba seems to like doing odd stuff.
[04:08] <Rolle> on my other computer---it runs the 8.04 it shuts down the monitor and all
[04:08] <crdlb> this thing apparently uses ~13 W with the backlight all the way down
[04:08] <TuTUXG> which means either your laptop is too new or toshiba doesn't support linux well
[04:08] <DanaG> I have an old Toshiba around here that calls itself 966x768.
[04:08] <Rolle> toshiba doens't support linux well--ever
[04:08] <DanaG> yes, 966.
[04:08] <Rolle> and my laptop is semi-new
[04:08] <Rolle> picked it up last august
[04:09] <crdlb> we have a new low-end toshiba that doesn't resume from suspend when you open the lid
[04:09] <crdlb> except once in a while when it does
[04:09] <DanaG> Heh, 3D graphics is currently set as a higher priority for the radeon developers than power management.
[04:10] <DanaG> For me, power management would be top priority.
[04:10] <Rolle> i have toshiba satelite m305d-s4830
[04:10] <crdlb> not everybody has a laptop :)
[04:10] <TuTUXG> for better linux support, go with dell or lenovo or even hp
[04:10] <Rolle> i went with the most bang for the buck
[04:10] <DanaG> something odd on Toshiba laptops (at least the one I have): fn-ANYTHING gives an ACPI event, so you have practically limitless bindable keys with acpid.
[04:10] <DanaG> fn-space.  fn-q.  fn-any-letter-you-wish
[04:11] <TuTUXG> that's nice
[04:11] <Rolle> 4g of ram with good processor for 700 bucks
[04:11] <Rolle> i couldn't pass it up
[04:11] <SeveredCross> That's handy.
[04:12]  * crdlb has .5g
[04:12] <Rolle> well my fn works for a few keys---the dimming settings work
[04:12] <JanC> actually, I know that several people inside Toshiba & Sony want support for linux/Ubuntu
[04:12]  * DanaG has an HP EliteBook 8530w.
[04:12] <crdlb> that's good
[04:12] <Rolle> my old computer has 386 gb its running 8.04  without problems---just very slow
[04:12] <DanaG> Kickass, but expensive.
[04:12] <TuTUXG> i hate sony laptops
[04:12] <Rolle> err
[04:12] <Rolle> mb
[04:12] <JanC> it's just that they aren't the ones to make final decisions about budget  ;)
[04:13] <crdlb> they mainly just need to stop making buggy bioses with workarounds in the windows drivers :)
[04:13] <Rolle> vista works like a charm minus the bloatedness of it and the asking you everytime youw ant to do something which is a pain in the ass
[04:14] <Rolle> i tried to test vista 7 but it wouldnt load in the virtualbox
[04:14] <JanC> crdlb: that would help a lot, but unfortunately most manufacturers have this flaw  :-(
[04:15] <Rolle> and shit---i'm not going to pay microsoft to give me a service pack that fixes their mistakes in vista
[04:15] <Awsoonn> DanaG: how do you capture those acpi events I woudl like to do some fun stuff there
[04:15] <DanaG> stop the acpi daemon, and then sudo cat /proc/acpi/event
[04:15] <DanaG> stopping the daemon: sudo invoke-rc.d acpid stop
[04:15] <DanaG> Then you can fiddle with the files in /etc/acpi/events/
[04:16] <Awsoonn> DanaG: sweet~ learning is happening
[04:16] <Awsoonn> ^^
[04:17] <Rolle> crdlb:  can you close my bugreport?  its not needed cause fglrx isn't activated right?
[04:17] <Rolle> i don't know how to close it
[04:18] <JanC> Rolle: mark the status as invalid (with explanation)?
[04:20] <Rolle> the explanation would be:  I'm stupid.  I didn't realize fglrx wasn't enabled yet hence why it didn't work.  ?
[04:20] <JanC> that's fine  ;)
[04:22] <Rolle> =p  you ass
[04:22] <Rolle> i was looking for an explanation that didn't call me a dumbass
[04:22] <Rolle> =p
[04:56] <DanaG> major fail: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/safari4.png
[05:01] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/safari4_2.png
[05:01] <daftykins> lol are those buttons meant to be safari's ones?
[05:01] <daftykins> are you a webdev or something?
[05:01] <DanaG> The tabs are in the titlebar.  Yes, that's Safari 4.
[05:01] <daftykins> safari's such a bag
[05:02] <DanaG> I just installed it specifically so I can mock it.  =P
[05:02] <daftykins> ic
[05:02] <daftykins> out of interest can you test something for me?
[05:02] <DanaG> Sure.
[05:02] <hanasaki> anyone notice their syslog not rotating?
[05:02] <daftykins> if you go to the compatibility tab of the safari shortcut, and disable desktop compositing and the other one relating to aero, so aero turns off when safari runs, does it cure it?
[05:02] <DanaG> I'll check.
[05:03] <daftykins> and thus run and appear normally sort of "classic'd"
[05:03] <daftykins> thanks
[05:03] <DanaG> Oh yeah, note that I have it set to DPI scaling, 145DPI.
[05:03] <DanaG> s
[05:04] <hanasaki> brb.. if you have info on the syslog rotating.. Priv msg me is ok
[05:04] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/safari_noaero.png
[05:04] <DanaG> No matter how you slice it, that's one ugly beast.
[05:04] <SeveredCross> Still looks mildly retared.
[05:04] <SeveredCross> Those tabs are idiotic.
[05:04] <DanaG> s/beast/fruit/
[05:05] <daftykins> ouch
[05:05] <daftykins> thanks DanaG
[05:05] <DanaG> So many non-Microsoft things seem to make assumptions that size X font == Y pixels.  Not true, if DPI != 96.
[05:05] <DanaG> Note that this is Win7.
[05:06] <DanaG> "XP Style" dpi scaling, 150%.
[05:06] <DanaG> Linux does far, far far better with high-DPI.
[05:06] <DanaG> And Apple... doesn't even try.  At all.
[05:06] <daftykins> oic
[05:06] <DanaG> Even on OS X.
[05:06] <DanaG> =P
[05:06] <daftykins> sometimes sites in safari on OS X look bigger than ones in a browser on Windows though
[05:06] <daftykins> 'tis odd
[05:07]  * DanaG has a 147dpi display... makes for gloriously smooth fonts in Linux.
[05:07] <DanaG> Now if only that *fglrx*ing radeon had power management.
[05:07]  * DanaG is using *fglrx* to replace *frig*
[05:07] <DanaG> =P
[05:07] <daftykins> haha
[05:18] <DanaG> I really don't think highly of Apple.  =P
[05:19] <daftykins> neither do i
[05:20] <daftykins> i run 2 x Dell 2408's
[05:20] <daftykins> 24" 1920x1200 LCDs
[05:20]  * DanaG has an HP EliteBook laptop.
[05:20] <DanaG> kickass, but some things don't work quite right with Linux.
[05:21] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[05:21] <DanaG> I have the 15" one, with ATI (by choice, instead of NV).
[05:27] <daftykins> you actually actively chose ATI? O_O
[05:27] <daftykins> mind you i suppose nvidia chips in laptops have been dying a lot lately
[05:27] <daftykins> bit sketchy
[05:28] <daftykins> i have had two friends with bad nvidia graphics in their laptops
[05:28] <daftykins> very strange symptoms occur
[05:28]  * crdlb would probably choose intel over either
[05:28] <crdlb> probably an R500 for a desktop though
[05:28] <daftykins> i have a sony ultra portable laptop, compiz on intrepid runs nicely on the intel GMA950 gfx it has
[05:30] <DanaG> ATI chip is also lower power, when in Windows -- gives longer battery life.
[05:31] <DanaG> Choice was essentially HD3650 versus 8600-series.
[05:31] <daftykins> ah
[05:31] <daftykins> tbh if you want battery you should use an ultra-portable :D
[05:31] <daftykins> though sadly my sony is best off in Windows for good battery
[05:31] <DanaG> not quite right... there's a bell curve.
[05:31] <daftykins> 6-7hrs vs. 4hrs in ubuntu
[05:32] <DanaG> At least with this EliteBook line, the 14" one has a higher max time, given optimum specs, than the 12 or the 15.
[05:33] <DanaG> One thing bugs me in Windows: it can never seem to leave the friggin' hard drive alone!
[05:33] <DanaG> I have never, ever, ever seen a Windows box let the main system drive spin down.  Ever.
[05:36] <DanaG> I do like having a hardware mute, too.
[05:42] <daftykins> oh i definitely have
[05:42] <daftykins> doesn't last long though :D
[05:42] <daftykins> drive power saving like that is bad though, induces extra wear on them
[05:43] <DanaG> Not if you tweak it correctly.
[05:44] <DanaG> I have my ext4 set to data=journal, with a 15-minute commit time.
[05:44] <daftykins> no, it's a hardware thing
[05:44] <daftykins> drives can only survive x number of spin ups/down in their lifetime
[05:44] <DanaG> It's a moot point when the gpu is sucking so much power, though.
[05:48] <daftykins> hrmm
[05:51] <virtuald> is there a way to list what files in /lib32/ and /usr/lib32/ don't belong to any package?
[05:59] <maxride> So,...anyone know a good audio fix for 9.04?
[05:59] <daftykins> ye
[05:59] <daftykins> wait for beta
[05:59] <daftykins> 8D
[05:59] <maxride> =/
[05:59] <daftykins> or better still, release
[06:00] <maxride> Erm....anything before that?
[06:00]  * DanaG has audio working fine. =P
[06:00] <DanaG> what's your issue?
[06:00] <maxride> Doesn't work at all....
[06:00] <maxride> Just, no sound.
[06:01] <maxride> I tried changing everything to ALSA...but that made the whole system unstable...so it's back to autodetect.
[06:02] <DanaG> ah.  try in gnome-terminal: alsamixer -c0
[06:02] <DanaG> check for muting.
[06:03] <maxride> How can I tell? I'd assume if "<MASTER>" is red, it's muted?
[06:03] <maxride> Wait, I see how it works now...Yea, nothing seems to be muted.
[06:06] <DanaG> hmm, I wonder if you have multiple audio devices, and PulseAudio is using the wrong one, or something.
[06:06] <DanaG> try aplay -l (lowercase L)
[06:06] <maxride> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[06:06] <maxride> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
[06:06] <maxride>   Subdevices: 1/1
[06:06] <maxride>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[06:08] <maxride> =/
[06:09] <DanaG> hmm, only one device.  I seem to remember myself having issues with a STAC9250 chip, a while ago.
[06:10] <DanaG> Anything special in dmesg, related to sound  or ALSA or hda or such?  Summarize, not paste.  =P
[06:10] <maxride> It was autodetected before the Alpha reinstall...so I guess....well, clearly the audio system has been revamped.
[06:10] <maxride> [  147.302143] warning: `pulseaudio' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)
[06:12] <maxride> [   11.081602] input: PC Speaker as /devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input8
[06:12] <maxride> [   11.224730] WARNING: synaptics was reset on resume, see synaptics_resume_reset if you have trouble on resume
[06:12] <maxride> [   11.519821] HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[06:12] <maxride> [   11.520085] HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: setting latency timer to 64
[06:12] <maxride> [   11.554657] input: HDA Digital PCBeep as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/input/input9
[06:13] <maxride> >_>;  ANything useful?
[06:14] <maxride> No mention of ALSA in there.
[06:15] <DanaG> hmm, nothing I see that I'd know what to do with.
[06:19] <maxride> ...Ouch...I guess I just need to play with it?
[06:19] <maxride> I mean....when I go into preferences and click the "Test" button it acts as though it's doing the test...
[06:20] <zcat[1]> My alt-F2 does nothing. Expecting a run dialog. Any ides where to start looking for the problem?
[06:20] <SeveredCross> I have a STAC9250, have no problems.
[06:20] <SeveredCross> zcat[1]: Is Alt re-bound by something?
[06:20] <SeveredCross> Metacity handles Alt-F2, and it works fine here.
[06:21] <zcat[1]> how would I test if alt is rebound?
[06:21] <zcat[1]> alt-F4 just closed my browser...
[06:21] <zcat[1]> so I guess that tells me something "alt" is working still..
[06:22] <crdlb> zcat[1]: enable gnome compat in ccsm :/
[06:23] <zcat[1]> ahhh which tab  in ccsm?
[06:23] <SeveredCross> Ah, hmm. Must be auto-enabled here.
[06:23] <crdlb> it's right there at the top
[06:24] <zcat[1]> found it ;)
[06:24] <zcat[1]> Woot, alt-f2 works again, thanks!
[06:24] <zcat[1]> so simple, has been bugging me for days now..
[06:34] <SeveredCross> Oh wow, the new notifications for volume changes are NICE.
[06:35]  * DanaG gets NONE at all now.
[06:35] <DanaG> ** (notify-osd:16342): CRITICAL **: load_icon: assertion `info' failed
[06:35] <DanaG> ** (notify-osd:16342): WARNING **: bubble_recalc_size(): WARNING, no layout!!!
[06:35] <DanaG> ** (notify-osd:16342): WARNING **: WARNING: No layout defined!!!
[06:36] <SeveredCross> -_-'
[07:28] <maccam-sager> have the rc2 sysv init scripts been rewritten as upstart scripts yet?
[07:30] <maccam-sager> i know that at least through hardy, upstart has been the default init process, but it has been using sysv scripts through a compatibility layer
[07:33] <urkki> When ATI-drivers for my HD Radeon 3450 are compatible?
[07:40] <maccam-sager> urkki: you mean the ATI closed source Catalyst Driver? they have to release a new version that is compatible with Xserver 1.6. they don't have a timeline on that. it won't happen until at least april though, because ATI has confirmed that there will be no support for it in this month's 9.3 release
[07:42] <urkki> maccam-sager: Ok, thanks. Thats a bummer from ATI
[07:42] <SeveredCross> I thought the RadeonHD driver was supposed to have enough support to get by on for the HD cards.
[07:42] <maccam-sager> urkki: watch phoronix.com, you'll hear the news there when it happens
[07:42] <maccam-sager> oh yeah you can use the OSS drivers, but there's not 3D support right now
[07:42] <maccam-sager> *no
[07:42] <SeveredCross> Ah, must stop at R500-based cards then.
[07:43] <SeveredCross> My R500-based Mobility Radeon X1400 has 3D support, w/ Compiz and all.
[07:44] <Ienorand> Hia, anyone knows how to revert update-manager's behaviour to old one, (with notification icons insted of popups)?
[07:45] <maccam-sager> SeveredCross: it's r500/r600 only right now
[07:45] <SeveredCross> Ah, r600 too.
[07:46] <maccam-sager> i don't think it is a full 3D implementation though. have you tried running Nexuiz or any graphics intensive 3D game?
[07:51] <savvas> xulrunner-1.9 is broken
[07:51] <savvas> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.7/libxul.so')
[07:58] <scizzo-> savvas: I had no problem with the i386 one
[07:58] <scizzo-> savvas: probably the amd64 package is broken then
[08:00] <savvas> scizzo-: thanks, I've filed a bug report: bug 338607 :)
[08:06] <savvas> wheow, thank god i still have a copy of the old one in apt archive
[08:08] <savvas> scizzo-: do you have firefox-3.0-gnome-support installed?
[08:10] <Alexia_Death> is knetworkmanager-s inabillity to connect to anything a known bug?
[08:17] <xukun> hi all. Is there a way to install jaunty nvidia drivers in Ubuntu 8.10?
[08:21] <savvas> xukun: have you tried: sudo apt-get install nvidia-180-modaliases; jockey-gtk -u
[08:23] <savvas> xukun: then run: jockey-gtk
[08:27] <DanaG> there's a ppa for newer nvidia in intrepid.
[08:29] <xukun> savvas, I,m using ubuntu 8.10 do I need to add something in the sources list. and how can I restore things if it gates messy?
[08:31] <scizzo-> savvas: yes I have that installed
[08:33] <savvas> xukun: 180 is backported to intrepid, it should be included in intrepid-updates
[08:35] <xukun> savvas, great thanks I will try
[08:43] <xukun> savvas, thanks that worked just fine
[08:43] <zniavre> http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-11286
[08:44] <zniavre> ooops sorry
[08:44] <xukun> does anybody know if its possible to tell the video card only to send the video signal to the tv and no audio?
[08:50] <xukun> does anybody know a good video card with hdmi not one with dvi?
[08:56] <daftykins> don't think any come with it still
[08:58] <DanaG> look on Newegg "Power Search"
[08:58] <DanaG> you can check so it only shows ones that have at least one HDMI.
[09:48] <maccam-sager> why does it look like upstart development for ubuntu has stalled? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart
[09:48] <maccam-sager> the last update was in october, the version in the repository (0.3) is 5 months old, and since then a new version (0.5) was released
[10:01] <theholyduck> maccam-sager, because ubuntu has this nasty tendency of being outdated. and nobody uses upstart anyway :P
[10:01] <maccam-sager> theholyduck: upstart is the default actually
[10:02] <maccam-sager> (in ubuntu)
[10:02] <theholyduck> well nobody SANE uses upstart
[10:02] <theholyduck> in other news
[10:02] <theholyduck> aptsh is awesome
[10:03] <theholyduck> its the greatest apt frontend ever
[10:03] <theholyduck> and i found it by accident
[10:05] <maccam-sager> theholyduck: it's been the default in Ubuntu since 6.10 ;-)
[10:05] <theholyduck> ubuntu isnt created by sane people though
[10:06] <maccam-sager> sysv needs to be replaced sooner rather than later, so...
[10:07] <theholyduck> xorg needs to be replaced aswell
[10:07] <theholyduck> but i dont see ubuntu rushing to fixing that
[10:08] <maccam-sager> theholyduck: why do you think xorg needs replacing?
[10:10] <theholyduck> maccam-sager, x11 is a OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD standard
[10:10] <theholyduck> it wasnt intended to do most of the things i has to do now
[10:10] <maccam-sager> (xorg is also much larger and has more dependencies than init)
[10:11] <theholyduck> and has been extended with a buttload of hacks
[10:11] <theholyduck> and workardounds
[10:11] <theholyduck> to make it do direct rendering and hardware accelration
[10:11] <theholyduck> its client server model is broken
[10:11] <theholyduck> due to how desktops works these days
[10:11] <theholyduck> and gtk and qt both have to implement hacks to make stuff look good on xorg
[10:12] <theholyduck> maccam-sager, im willing to bet that atleast half the code in xorg currently is redundant or useless
[10:12] <theholyduck> we need a non compitable step forward
[10:12] <maccam-sager> well there's work starting on wayland
[10:13] <theholyduck> they want to retain some compitability
[10:13] <theholyduck> and you end up with the problem microsoft has
[10:13] <crdlb> X does not need to be replaced
[10:13] <theholyduck> maintaining security while at the SAME TIME providing compitability with your badly designed previous standards
[10:14] <maccam-sager> i would say that X's main problem was that development slowed way down
[10:14] <maccam-sager> but it seems to be picking up again
[10:14] <theholyduck> maccam-sager, its a bloated broken piece of shit that keeps getting worse for every release
[10:14] <crdlb> X will soon be able to run as user, so security won't be nearly as much of an issue
[10:14] <theholyduck> maccam-sager, we need to get rid of it as quickly as possible
[10:15] <theholyduck> all the developers i know who have to interface directly with X
[10:15] <theholyduck> keeps telling me how horrible it is
[10:15] <crdlb> and how will replacing it be magically better?
[10:16] <crdlb> who's going to port all the thousands and thousands of apps?
[10:16] <theholyduck> crdlb, if you port gtk and qt, most of the work would allready be done :pø
[10:16] <theholyduck> if you REALLY must. implement a slow x11 layer
[10:16] <crdlb> except for the whole testing part
[10:17] <crdlb> fixing Xlib seems more rational ...
[10:17] <theholyduck> crdlb, but thats impossible :P
[10:17] <crdlb> cf. XCB
[10:17] <theholyduck> if you cant break the standard you cant fix it
[10:17] <theholyduck> ofcourse if xorg decided to stick it to the man and redesign how xorg worked on the backend
[10:18] <theholyduck> cleaned up how it does direct hardware access and simlar
[10:18] <theholyduck> and you know. broke x11 design
[10:18] <crdlb> it _is_ being cleaned up
[10:18] <theholyduck> then that would allready improve things
[10:18] <theholyduck> crdlb, but they still stick to the standard
[10:18] <theholyduck> wich means it can only get so good
[10:18] <crdlb> what standard?
[10:18] <theholyduck> crdlb, the x11 design :P
[10:18] <theholyduck> the 1970's idea :P
[10:19] <crdlb> there's nothing wrong with the X11 protocol
[10:19] <crdlb> well, not nothing, but it's not something that needs to be thrown out
[10:19] <theholyduck> the client server model doesnt work anymore
[10:19] <theholyduck> because almost all developers are failures that rely on local stuff like hal
[10:19] <crdlb> it works fine; it's quite powerful in fact
[10:20] <theholyduck> crdlb, well it works. but most APPS dont :P
[10:20] <theholyduck> because developers like most people
[10:20] <theholyduck> are idiots
[10:20] <theholyduck> they are just stupid at diffrent things
[10:20] <crdlb> uh, what?
[10:22] <theholyduck> crdlb, developers do stupid things
[10:22] <theholyduck> its true :P
[10:22] <theholyduck> even though almost any SANE developer would use libav* directly instead of gstreamer
[10:22] <theholyduck> there are still people that use gstreamer
[10:22] <crdlb> -_-
[10:22] <crdlb> ok, I think that's enough for today
[10:55] <ButterflyOfFire> Hi again :)
[10:56] <ikonia> hello
[10:57] <ButterflyOfFire> I updated Jaunty Jackalope today and restarted my machine. I tried again de force the mode 1280x1024 on my NVIDIA Driver but this doesn't work but when I make CRTL+ALT+ + or CTRL+ALT+ - I have a huge screen
[10:58] <ButterflyOfFire> By the way my NVIDIA Driver is working fine and Compiz Fusion too
[10:58] <ButterflyOfFire> Just cannot get the mode 1280X1024
[10:58] <ButterflyOfFire> I can pastebin my xorg.conf if you want
[10:59] <schmidtm> hi, since yesterdays updates i get the following message when trying to ping over my wireless: ping sendmsg no buffer space available
[10:59] <ikonia> ButterflyOfFire: how can you say the drivers are working fine if you're saying it's not working ?
[11:01] <ButterflyOfFire> ikonia, I mean that compiz is working with this driver
[11:01] <ButterflyOfFire> I'm not a driver developper
[11:04] <ButterflyOfFire> With Ubuntu 8.10 I coutdn't even get it work
[11:04] <ButterflyOfFire> I'll go back "alphatesting" Jackalope
[11:05] <xukun> Is the nVidia GeForce 9400 chipset supported either in 8.10 or 9.04?
[11:06] <ikonia> xukun: check the supported hardware list
[11:06] <ikonia> xukun: or look at the support for the kernel that runs in the version you want
[11:06] <xukun> ikonia, do have a link for me?
[11:06] <ikonia> !hcl > xukun
[11:07] <ButterflyOfFire> By the way my NVIDIA is : pci@0000:00:05.0    display     C51G [GeForce 6100]
[11:08] <xukun> ikonia, Thanks but I don't see a section for chipsets. What I need to look?
[11:09] <ikonia> xukun: you need to look in the 2.6.24 kernel which is what 8.10 is running and see if your chipset is supported
[11:09] <ikonia> xukun: or look at the 3rd party nvidia drivers on nvidia's website should you chose to use them
[11:10] <xukun> ikonia, I have no Idea how to look that in the kernel
[11:10] <VSpike> Are there python version conflicts for everyone, or have I just uniquely screwed up my packages?
[11:12] <ikonia> xukun: isn't a GeForce 9400 a video card ?
[11:12] <ButterflyOfFire> VSpike,  I didn't notice a python version conflicts on my machine.
[11:14] <VSpike> ButterflyOfFire: have a problem with python-4suite-xml and python-webkitgtk requiring python < 2.6, but an upgrade to 2.6 is required for gimp, hpijs and many other python packages
[11:14] <ButterflyOfFire> I think I read about this problem especially python-webkitgtk but I don't remember
[11:15] <xukun> ikonia, yes but if you look this mb Gigabyte GA-E7AUM-DS2H (GF9400 - S775) it has that chipset
[11:16] <ikonia> xukun: then I have no idea if it is supported, I suspect it won't be supported without 3rd party nvidia kernel modules
[11:16] <xukun> ikonia, thanks for all the help
[11:23] <ButterflyOfFire> VSpike, now I remember I wanted to install Gwibber and got this problem with python-webkitgtk
[11:25] <VSpike> yeah, that's the one
[11:25] <VSpike> I have it installed, but it's preventing me upgrading python and thus holding back a whole bunch of other stuff too
[11:26] <VSpike> Was that your LP bug then?
[11:29] <ButterflyOfFire> nope I was'nt mine VSpike
[11:29] <ButterflyOfFire> I'm very lazy to report bugs in english :p
[11:31] <VSpike> :)
[12:08] <phytopius> i hope someone can help me to get my graphics work. i have a ati radeon x1400 with 8.10 everything was ok now when i go into hardware drivers it only shows me an ati fire gl and it tells me that the driver is already insatlled
[12:09] <phytopius> i already have tried to reinstall it but without any effects
[12:12] <bardyr> phytopius, amd has not yet released a gfx driver that is compatible with jaunty
[12:12] <bardyr> phytopius, the only thing you can do it to wait until then
[12:13] <phytopius> ah ok thx
[12:14] <bardyr> hopefully they will release one soon
[12:14] <phytopius> maybe
[13:33] <Ng> ooh, shiny new icons for NM in notify-osd
[13:34] <ziroday> Ng: you're starting to make me hope my router falls over
[13:35] <Ng> haha
[13:35] <jpds> Ng: I believe more are on their way ;-) (bug #338345)
[13:35] <Ng> I hadn't restarted for some time and did earlier, and now I get a pretty picture of an ethernet socket :)
[14:05] <BUGabundo> Failed to set MetaMode (1) 'DFP-0: nvidia-auto-select @1280x800 +0+0, CRT-0: nvidia-auto-select @1440x900 +1280+0' (Mode 2720x900, id: 67) on X screen 0.
[14:05] <BUGabundo> what does mean?
[14:05] <BUGabundo> screen are TOO big?
[14:29] <Exilant> in jaunty, is there/will there be a way to view/mount internal encrypted partitions not in the fstab?
[14:30] <Exilant> right now i fail to mount internal and external partions if they are encrypted
[14:31] <Exilant> (internal ones are not shown, so only mountable from a shell, external ones fail in dolphin, not shown in device-manager)
[14:32] <BUGabundo1> Exilant: they all use GVFS
[14:32] <BUGabundo1> and are shown inside $HOME/.gvfs
[14:33] <Exilant> that's an emty folder here
[14:34] <Exilant> should it be like that?
[14:34] <BUGabundo1> it empty until you mount something
[14:36] <Exilant> ah, gnome
[14:36] <Exilant> sorry, i failed tto mention i'm using kubuntu
[14:37] <vbgunz> BUGabundo1: remember my suspend issues?
[14:37] <BUGabundo1> no sorry
[14:37] <BUGabundo1> oh wait!! the resume from dead disk
[14:37] <BUGabundo1> ?
[14:37] <vbgunz> BUGabundo1: yeah
[14:37] <vbgunz> well, finally got both of them working ram/disk
[14:37] <BUGabundo1> great!
[14:38] <BUGabundo1> kernel team helped you out?
[14:38] <vbgunz> well, not really. been waiting for emails from them or anything really to help them out any way I could. I haven't been updated on my bug though
[14:40] <vbgunz> but I have a question, maybe you or anyone can help. I tried the no_console_suspend kernel parameter *but* it doesn't seem to do anything. what I am after is a really verbose suspend/resume screen sort of like booting up the first time without quiet and splash. I am in man pm-suspend *but* dont see anything
[14:40] <vbgunz> would anyone know how I can really verbose messages on suspend/resume?
[14:41] <vbgunz> hey shadeslayeryou had a problem once with X11 and dual screens right?
[14:41] <vbgunz> shadeslayer: ^^, sorry, I appended you onto your name
[14:41] <BUGabundo1> vbgunz: over my head there!
[14:42] <vbgunz> BUGabundo1: heh, its cool. I believe it should be absolutely possible but I am missing it :(
[14:42] <vbgunz> I don't like looking at black screens :/
[14:50] <shadeslayer> np
[14:50] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:50] <shadeslayer> like my rez was too low/high for my SDTV
[15:00] <vbgunz> shadeslayer: on thought you had a problem with twinview
[15:02] <shadeslayer> i think i said so
[15:02] <vbgunz> I got twinview working with nvidia here. I don't have the best xorg.conf but would upload it if you would like to take a look at it
[15:02] <shadeslayer> basically my notebook screen was fine,but was not completly projected on my SDTV
[15:02] <shadeslayer> sure
[15:03] <shadeslayer> like i had to scroll to the edges
[15:03] <vbgunz> well, I am using two CRT monitors connected through a DVI adapter on a single card
[15:03] <shadeslayer> i use S-video
[15:04] <vbgunz> shadeslayer: what you can try is this at a terminal $ gtf 1920 1080 60   ... gtf, the width, the height and refresh, it will give you a modeline
[15:04] <vbgunz> http://dpaste.com/7926/
[15:05] <vbgunz> the modeline that returns is really helpful. it works 100% of the time for me and is great for custom resolutions
[15:06] <vbgunz> beware of my option ->  "UseEDID" "FALSE"   ... I use that to force custom resolutions
[15:10] <shadeslayer> ok ill have a looksie
[15:11] <shadeslayer> thanks
[15:11] <vbgunz> no problem, you're welcome. I never tried svideo but hopefully something in my xorg will maybe clear things up. I hope it helps
[15:11] <shadeslayer> vbgunz: btw i also found a nifty tool
[15:12] <vbgunz> ?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> nvtv-out
[15:12] <shadeslayer> did not try it out
[15:12] <shadeslayer> its from nVidia
[15:13] <vbgunz> I don't even know if I have a tv-tuner card and if I did, I would most likely not use it. not sure why *but* youtube, and comedy central clips already steal enough of my time :/
[15:13] <vbgunz> I believe I have the s out though
[15:14] <vbgunz> damn. latest updates in Jaunty broke the "who desktop" widget :/
[15:14] <vbgunz> sho*
[15:14] <vbgunz> heh, show*
[15:14] <shadeslayer> haha
[15:14] <vbgunz> :)
[15:14] <shadeslayer> didnt even try out jaunty on my vbox
[15:14] <shadeslayer> ><
[15:15] <vbgunz> jaunty was all I could get working on my system. built a new box and had problems installing until I tried jaunty.
[15:15] <Exilant> who desktop?
[15:15] <vbgunz> Exilant: Show
[15:15] <vbgunz> got a bit dyslexic if thats how you spell it
[15:17] <Exilant> ah, ok
[15:17] <vbgunz> damn. I am trying to get verbose messages on suspend/resume. I don't want to build a kernel with debugging. I am not really trying to debug am only trying to get a little bit more verbose out from those operations. I hate looking at a black screen :/
[15:18] <vbgunz> at this point I'll settle on -> | [15:19] <BUGabundo1> akgraner: hi gorgeous
[15:22] <akgraner> BUGabundo1: hello
[15:25] <BUGabundo1> hi girls
[15:28] <shadeslayer> hey guys can i forcefully upgrade to a newer kernel ??
[15:29] <shadeslayer> someone in #ubuntu is asking
[15:33] <ikonia> shadeslayer: no - you can't
[15:33] <ikonia> shadeslayer: you can only upgrade to packages that are available
[15:33] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:33] <shadeslayer> well i think the repos are not being hit
[15:34] <ikonia> not being hit ???
[15:34] <ikonia> what do you mean
[15:34] <shadeslayer> ill paste his update
[15:34] <ikonia> shadeslayer: is this a problem in ubuntu ?
[15:34] <ikonia> shadeslayer: who is asking this ?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:34] <shadeslayer> new-tu
[15:34] <ikonia> right
[15:35] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/127262/
[15:35] <charlie-tca> ikonia: what about the vanilla kernel thing
[15:35] <charlie-tca> ?
[15:35] <charlie-tca> or is that not right?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> well hes a newb
[15:35] <ikonia> the vanilla kernel will only mirror the patched version
[15:35] <shadeslayer> i dont think he can compile a kernel
[15:36]  * charlie-tca keeps quiet to learn from ikonia now
[15:42] <unixdawg> ok having a issue with audio
[15:42] <unixdawg> its playing all my mp3 and mpg at double rate
[15:42] <unixdawg> audicty and mplayer
[15:42] <unixdawg> it just started 2 days ago
[15:43] <unixdawg> dvd play fine
[15:51] <unixdawg> ok I am having major issues with mp3 mpg and avi they all play at x2 rate
[15:51] <unixdawg> and jittery
[15:55] <unixdawg> pulse audio is giving a res * next to it
[15:55] <unixdawg> res/red
[16:23] <unixdawg_> anyone else having audio issues with audicty and other players with music skipping for no reason
[16:24] <bardyr> unixdawg_, it seems like the latest updates broke gstreamer
[16:28] <unixdawg_> ok
[16:28] <unixdawg_> that explains alot
[16:29] <bardyr> unixdawg_, try using sudo
[16:29] <bardyr> unixdawg_, it fixed my sound
[16:30] <unixdawg_> ok
[16:42] <unixdawg> bardyr, how ?
[16:42] <unixdawg> what command
[16:42] <bardyr> sudo application
[16:43] <unixdawg> ok
[16:43] <unixdawg> then it worked normal after that ?
[17:02] <s0u][ight> no package updates for the last 2 days?
[17:02] <Pici> Er. I'm getting plenty of updates.
[17:03] <s0u][ight> i have no updates at all :| for the few days
[17:03] <Pici> How are you trying to upgrade?
[17:04] <s0u][ight> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[17:04] <Pici> s0u][ight: Try using dist-upgrade instead.
[17:05] <Pici> That will pull in new dependencies
[17:05] <s0u][ight> Pici, i've upgraded to jaunty already
[17:05] <Pici> s0u][ight: dist-upgrade is not for upgrading between releases.  It pulls in packages that require new dependencies, while just 'upgrade' does not.
[17:05] <s0u][ight> Pici, didn't bring something new in
[17:06] <Pici> s0u][ight: Mind pasting your sources.list file?
[17:07] <s0u][ight> http://rafb.net/p/8EckJH30.html
[17:09] <Pici> s0u][ight: That mirror doesn't appear to have updated.  Take a look at the last modified dates for the Release file in http://ubuntu.mirrors.skynet.be/pub/ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/ and http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/
[17:11] <s0u][ight> Pici, going to change servers, thanks for noticing that
[17:12] <s0u][ight> the test gave me a server from the netherlands as the best one :-)
[17:20] <Anarhist> i've just installed jaunty, and now when i go to any folder in the menu rather than opening nautilus it opens up Audacious and tries to play that folder's contents as files
[17:21] <Slartibartfast> Anarhist: > ubuntu+1
[17:21] <FFForever> anyone else notice the difference between opera and firefox on cpu usage?, when using opera my system hovers around .20 (is that normal?), but when using firefox i hover around .50-1.20 on the load =\
[17:23] <FFForever> also how can i stop apache and mysql from auto starting?
[17:26] <TheInfinity> FFForever: you want to learn about /etc/rc* :)
[17:29] <shadeslayer> hmmm for some reason i cant join #ubuntu
[17:31] <cumulus007> My apt hangs on Removing libgnome-keyring1.0-cil from Mono
[17:35] <FFForever> Anyone know how i can stop network manager from changing my dns?
[17:37] <unixdawg> is your nick registerd?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> me??
[17:37] <unixdawg> yes
[17:37] <shadeslayer> yeah,i think someone similar to my IP was banned
[17:38] <shadeslayer> XD
[17:38] <unixdawg> hmm
[17:38] <unixdawg> brb
[17:40] <FFForever> no one?
[17:41] <Exilant> FFForever: you can add some prepend in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[17:41] <Exilant> so network manager will add it's dns servers after that
[17:42] <FFForever> Exilant, how/where do i add them?
[17:42] <DanaG> prepend is before, append is after.
[17:42] <Exilant> there should be a line commented out in that file #prepend 1.2.3.4; or so
[17:42] <Exilant> uncomment it and insert your dns
[17:43] <FFForever> prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
[17:43] <FFForever> how do i add more then one add a ,?
[17:43] <Exilant> by the way, should in jaunty /etc/resolv.conf now be a symlink?
[17:44] <Exilant> FFForever: not sure, i think it was two lines like that
[17:44] <FFForever> i only see one =\
[17:46] <d1g1t> add another one?
[17:46] <Exilant> hm, i'm not sure, i thought i did it like that, but apparently i just added one then, when facing the same question :)
[17:48] <FFForever> here goes nothing =)
[18:00] <gmiernicki> anyone got the url for the package selection/request website?
[18:00] <gmiernicki> er, for jaunty?
[18:00] <gmiernicki> :D
[18:05] <Pici> Package request?
[18:06] <Pici> gmiernicki: I'm not sure what you're asking.
[18:08] <calc> new OOo uploading to Jaunty now
[18:08] <calc> should be installable in about 7-8 hours i would guess
[18:08] <Pici> calc: Thanks for the fyi
[18:09] <calc> it still has known issues with gvfs at least for me, but i needed to get it uploaded today for alpha 6
[18:09] <calc> of course the previous version had the same gvfs issues as well
[18:09] <calc> i think the gvfs issues are probably gvfs fault though, but still need to track it down, i got a few issues resolved in gvfs fuse over the past couple weeks so at least OOo can save to a fuse mount now
[18:18] <gmiernicki> i came across a site that detailed what packages would be in jaunty
[18:18] <gmiernicki> and it appeared u could request/nominate packages for inclusion
[18:18] <gmiernicki> i kno its prolly beyond the date for that
[18:18] <gmiernicki> but, i was just curious to see whats included
[18:19] <calc> gmiernicki: new gnome, new OOo, new kernel, probably other new things too, new notification system
[18:20] <gnomefreak> gmiernicki: its a bit late for that. feature freeze is in affect. you can file a bug for it. if its important ernough you might beable to get an exception (assuming you package it. file a bug and see what happens
[18:21] <gnomefreak> in the topic there should be a link for what has changed
[19:15] <calc> OOo upload done :)
[19:16] <calc> should be done building 6hr or so
[19:16] <calc> 36hr for arm, etc :)
[20:27] <failers> how do i update my 8.10 to jaunty
[20:28] <failers> do i have to reinstall?
[20:31] <charlie-tca> failers: update-manager -d  in a terminal, but see the release notes, too.
[20:31] <charlie-tca> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha5
[20:32] <failers> ye ye im just doing it for the experience i dont want stability i want cutting edge development ^^
[20:32] <failers> also just wanna se how far it is in development
[20:35] <charlie-tca> If you don't want stability and can live with broken at times, it's great
[20:36] <failers> :)
[20:36] <failers> charlie-tca that command isnt for kubuntu i guess
[20:37] <failers> thought it shouldnt mather but it didnt exist
[20:39] <charlie-tca> I didn't know that
[20:40] <failers> do-release-upgrade -d
[20:40] <failers> for kubuntu
[20:40] <failers> thanks anyway for directing me the right way
[21:27] <matt____> Hi, I want to file a bug report on an issue I am having with high CPU usage with Xorg, but I want to make my bug report useful - any hints?
[21:30] <magcius> Just curious, is python-libtorrent built for Python 2.6?
[21:31] <magcius> Deluge says it can't find libtorrent.
[21:47] <failers> Oo
[21:47] <failers> when i upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 it uninstalled mysql
[21:48] <failers> :P
[21:48] <corvix> hi there ... I'm running kubuntu jaunty and found some issues ... now I wonder if they are know and if I should report them ...
[21:49] <charlie-tca> corvix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[21:49] <corvix> one is a kde startup lag, the other seems to be an interaction between dolphin and mplayerthumbs
[21:49] <charlie-tca> If they are not known, you probably should report them
[21:52] <CosmiChaos> Is anyone experienced with floppy drives? I added a fstab line, module line for the drive and rebooted. Now its reading fine and makes fine noises an writing. But the changes are not saved any ideas? I tried fdflush, but that is exactly not what i want. i want the data from the buffers to be written, not flushed. anywys, when i unmound and mount the floppy, all tthe data i wrote is lost. please help.
[21:53] <CosmiChaos> i trie dgflppy for formatting, sure it works in all three modes, but still when i mount the drive the data is still there
[22:00] <drostie> CosmiChaos: have you tried dd-ing /dev/zero to the floppy?
[22:06]  * Ienorand oogles the floppy user as if he was from the 18th cent.
[22:07] <magcius> Just curious, is python-libtorrent built for Python 2.6?
[22:07] <magcius> Deluge says it can't find libtorrent.
[22:08] <crdlb> magcius: apparently not yet
[22:09] <CosmiChaos> drostie: how do i do that?
[22:09] <magcius> crdlb, then why is a broken Deluge provided in the packages?
[22:09] <crdlb> see the topic :P
[22:09] <crdlb> "alpha"
[22:09] <CosmiChaos> drostie: btw i have three floppys all three not permanently writable
[22:10] <drostie> figure out what the partition is called (let's say /dev/sda1, though that's probably wrong) and then type into a console: [sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1] and see what happens.
[22:11] <CosmiChaos> ok wait
[22:11] <magcius> crdlb, any workarounds I can try?
[22:12] <CosmiChaos> drostie: should i dd the floppy mounted or unmounted?
[22:14] <CosmiChaos> [sudo] password for cypherdelic:
[22:14] <CosmiChaos> dd: öffne „/dev/fd0“: Read-only file system
[22:15] <CosmiChaos> lol??
[22:17] <drostie> CosmiChaos: unmounted.
[22:17] <CosmiChaos> dry my fault had the lock in for testing purposes so lets see whats happened after dd'ing the floppy
[22:17] <drostie> CosmiChaos: is the little read0only switch on the floppies open, or closed?
[22:17] <drostie> *read-only
[22:20] <drostie> should kill the file system thereupon. you might use xxd to view the raw contents before and after a dd to make sure it's working.
[22:20] <CosmiChaos> drostie: still after dding and mounting my floppy all the data is there
[22:22] <CosmiChaos> xannot format or save anything to any floppy neither nautilus and my floppy-drive claim that they wrot estuff
[22:23] <drostie> CosmiChaos: then I really don't know what to say. You're sure that fd0 is your floppy?
[22:24] <crdlb> magcius: none that I know of; the packages just need to be updated
[22:24] <CosmiChaos> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root            13 2009-03-06 22:14 fd -> /proc/self/fd
[22:24] <CosmiChaos> brw-rw----   1 root floppy      2,   0 2009-03-06 23:17 fd0
[22:25] <CosmiChaos> drostie: maybe my bios is fault, thats why i need a sata-boot disk *lmao*
[23:02] <martyfuhry> anyone know about ubuntu 9.04's default wireless stuff? my eeepc had wireless working out of the box on 8.10, but upgrading to 9.04 seemed to break it
[23:03] <dtchen> which kernel are you using? [if you're using an Ubuntu kernel, see /proc/version_signature]
[23:03] <martyfuhry> 2.6.27-11-generic
[23:04] <crdlb> you should be on 2.6.28
[23:04] <BUGabundo> hi everyone
[23:05] <BUGabundo> hi dtchen
[23:05] <dtchen> hi
[23:05] <BUGabundo> no sound yet here, oever alsa or PA
[23:05] <BUGabundo> OSS works only 30% of reboots too
[23:05] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:06] <dtchen> ping me in 30 mins; i'm working on pa atm
[23:19] <tim_sharitt> none of my short cut keys work in jaunty anymore. Is this a common problem, or something I may have messed up on my end?
[23:21] <dtchen> which "short cut keys"?
[23:55] <magcius> Is it a feature or a bug (hopefully fixed) that the current release of notify-osd in Jaunty can only display one notification at a time.
[23:55] <maco> magcius: feature
[23:56] <magcius> maco, are you serious? The mockup says otherwise.
[23:56] <maco> so you dont have to try to read 15 notification bubbles at once
[23:56] <maco> because that's hard when it only lasts a few moments
[23:56] <maco> it can show a brightness/volume/battery notificatoin at the same time as a messaging one
[23:56] <maco> but only 1 of each of those types at a time
[23:56] <dtchen> notify-osd is still work in progress
[23:57] <dtchen> surely you don't expect it to spring forth from the ocean completely feature-complete?
[23:57] <magcius> maco, uggh, what about applications that show notification on song change? I would have a backlog of about 15 messages where I have to wait 3 seconds for each one.
[23:57] <crdlb> with time running out :)
[23:57] <magcius> dtchen, I was just wondering if it was implemented that way on purpose.
[23:57] <maco> magcius: your songs change that quickly? O_o
[23:57] <magcius> maco, I skip songs a lot.
[23:57] <maco> that'd be....0.2 songs per second!
[23:57] <maco> er
[23:58] <maco> 0.2 seconds per song
[23:58] <maco> :P
[23:58] <magcius> maco, the idea is that if a song I want to skip comes up (which I can tell by the notification), I can skip it.
[23:58] <danbhfive> Is anyone able to make a failed connection to a wpa encrypted network, with network manager?
[23:58] <maco> danbhfive: you want to force a failure?
[23:59] <magcius> Also, can notify-osd currently attach notifications to GTK objects, like Galago's implementation?
[23:59] <danbhfive> maco: well, I gave severe errors when I put in the wrong password
[23:59] <crdlb> magcius: maybe your music player should be closing the old one when it switches in rapid succession
[23:59] <danbhfive> *get
[23:59] <dtchen> (hmm, stale topic)
[23:59] <magcius> crdlb, how do I close the old one? I have a custom made bash script that uses notify-send.
[23:59] <maco> danbhfive: so you want one of us to force a failure to see if we get errors too?
[23:59] <crdlb> magcius: oh :/