| directhex | bizarre bug: nspluginwrapper seems to interfere somehow with audio, causes flash to always use the wrong output | 00:04 |
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| ripps | What's the proper way to name a package pulled from a git repository? | 01:58 |
| ScottK | ripps: Do you know with reasonable certainty what the next version of the package is when it's released. | 02:01 |
| ripps | ScottK: Yes, 0.18. | 02:02 |
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| ScottK | ripps: I'd do 0.18~git090305-0ubuntu1 | 02:03 |
| ScottK | The '~' means it's a lower version than 0.18 | 02:03 |
| ripps | ScottK: okay, I'll do that. | 02:03 |
| maxb | most examples of that use a full 4-digit year | 02:14 |
| maxb | Though I accept that if 0.18 hasn't been released by 2100, we're unlikely to care about the package any longer :-) | 02:15 |
| ripps | While I'm on the topic; what's the proper naming scheme for svn packages? | 02:16 |
| itachi | hi all | 02:16 |
| ScottK | maxb: The only rule is to have a scheme that's monotomically increasing. | 02:18 |
| ScottK | ripps: svn you can do either by date or by committ. I prefer by committ because it's very easy to find where the snapshot was taken from in the svn. | 02:19 |
| ripps | ScottK: what do I name svn packages that haven't had an official release yet. | 02:21 |
| ScottK | If you know what the first release will be numbered, then use the same scheme. | 02:22 |
| ScottK | If not, I'd do 0-svn.... | 02:22 |
| ripps | hmm... okay | 02:23 |
| ripps | I've gotten into the habit of building all my test packages with pdebuild using cowdancer. It allows me to make sure that the package will easily compile in PPA. | 02:31 |
| ScottK | Test building is a good habit to be in. | 02:32 |
| ripps | I'm trying to get GMPC working with plugins. I've built a bunch of plugins in my PPA, but some of the one's that fetch data online make gmpc crash. I filed a bug report with the maintainer and he said to try the git. So I'm building a git version of gmpc to see if it works. | 02:34 |
| ripps | Okay, how do I make pbuilder install a package from it's result directory install from the online repository? | 02:35 |
| dtchen | directhex: note: just because 6stack-dig didn't work for your intrepid kernel doesn't mean it isn't in fact correct. | 02:35 |
| ripps | I need an updated version of libmpd, I've built it using pdebuild, now I need pdebuild to use that very package to build gmpc. | 02:36 |
| dtchen | directhex: (i.e., in -kmirror git HEAD, the relevant quirk is 6stack-dig) | 02:36 |
| dtchen | i'll look through the codec output later and may have some suggestions for you with hda-verb | 02:37 |
| leonel | scottK is there a git or svn or cvs for clamav in alioth ?? | 02:59 |
| ScottK | git | 02:59 |
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| leonel | so that's what we must use to jaunty ? | 02:59 |
| leonel | i mean for the 0.95 clamav for jaunty | 02:59 |
| maxb | ripps: For that to happen, the packages you build using pbuilder need to go into an apt repository that pbuilder is configured to read from | 03:18 |
| ScottK | The or pbuilder login --save-after-logout and install them by hand. | 03:21 |
| ScottK | The/That | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | is anyone going to update eclipse before release? Please? ;) | 03:50 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: That's what everyone says and no one is willing to do. | 03:51 |
| * ScottK will be glad to vote for an FFe. | 03:51 | |
| * Hobbsee wonders how people could be persuaded | 03:51 | |
| * ScottK couldn't be. | 03:51 | |
| * Hobbsee found a patch to let a slightly newer version build, in launchpad, but it's sitll .2 versions old | 03:51 | |
| * ScottK has touched it before when he was younger and way less experienced. | 03:51 | |
| ScottK | That'd be progress. | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: you could always touch eclipse | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: i'm trying to specifically *avoid* doing that. | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | & then everyone else could disavow all knowledge of it for future releases! | 03:52 |
| * Hobbsee just went the "grab the tarball from the eclipse site" method | 03:52 | |
| ajmitch | wasn't jdong the last sucker to look at it? | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | pochu, mainly | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | he might be bribable. | 03:55 |
| ajmitch | or he may run a mile | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | think of the users, Hobbsee, you don't want to disappoint them... | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | in the case of eclipse, i'm a user, not a developer ;) | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | you could try & hunt down Koon | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | now there's an idea! | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | he does java stuff | 03:57 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: It's Debian where you have to promise to care about the users. Here we just have to be nice. | 03:58 |
| ajmitch | OK | 03:59 |
| ScottK | Note that there was some irony embedded in there. | 04:00 |
| ajmitch | Hard to tell | 04:00 |
| ScottK | Mutually. | 04:00 |
| jdong | and yes, I think I was unfortunate enough to mention looking at eclipse :) | 04:06 |
| jdong | and I think I did mention I got scared away. | 04:06 |
| jdong | the we we've got it all intertwining with the other eclipse-y things it provides other than the Java IDE just scares me :) | 04:07 |
| jdong | maybe we should just have an eclipse-fugly-standalone build :) | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | jdong: You've confessed an interest, that's good enough for a TIL | 04:08 |
| jdong | haha | 04:11 |
| ScottK | Anyone know what "distribution.canonical.bookmarksProcessed" in Firefox about:config is about? | 04:18 |
| ScottK | Google confesses to know nothing about it. | 04:18 |
| Zarel | Hey, can someone help me submit a request for backports? | 05:06 |
| fabrice_sp | Hi Zarel. Did you had a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports ? | 05:16 |
| Zarel | fabrice_sp: yep, but it's not that clear. | 05:19 |
| Zarel | Do you know how I can tell if Warzone is already in backports? | 05:20 |
| fabrice_sp | Zarel, you mean, the sync request from yesterday? | 05:20 |
| Zarel | The sync request only covered jaunty, which isn't released yet. | 05:20 |
| fabrice_sp | no: you have to explicitly request it | 05:21 |
| Zarel | Yeah, and I'm not sure how I'd go do that. | 05:21 |
| fabrice_sp | first, fill a bug report requesting the backport at https://launchpad.net/products/intrepid-backports/+filebug for Intrepid | 05:22 |
| Zarel | Hmm, I might want to wait for 2.1.2 to be released first. | 05:23 |
| fabrice_sp | Why not. Anyway, if the version in Jaunty compile as-is in Intrepid, I could upload it to my ppa | 05:25 |
| * fabrice_sp is building warzone2100 2.1.1 in an Intrepid schroot to check | 05:25 | |
| Zarel | I don't know much about that. I'm a Windows developer. I'm mainly here because many of our users are complaining about how hard it is to get an up-to-date version of Warzone. | 05:26 |
| Zarel | :/ I mean, they say _Debian_ is supposed to be slow... | 05:26 |
| Zarel | It's just weird that you would release a beta version, and not update to the stable because of stringent update requirements... | 05:27 |
| fabrice_sp | Zarel, I can take care of that. Don't worry. Anyway, we upgrade each 6 months | 05:28 |
| fabrice_sp | I you can point me very severe bugs that makes the beta version unusable, I could ty to process a SRU | 05:29 |
| fabrice_sp | (Stable Release Update), otherwise it's easier with a ppa or a backport request | 05:29 |
| Zarel | There aren't any severe bugs that I know of. | 05:29 |
| Zarel | Yeah, I'm thinking backports might be better. | 05:29 |
| fabrice_sp | so ppa | 05:29 |
| Zarel | Well, anything. You're probably better at this than I have. | 05:30 |
| fabrice_sp | it's still building, but if it builds fine, I'll upload it to my ppa | 05:30 |
| Zarel | Once you have that ready, do you have a set of instructions I can tell users? | 05:30 |
| fabrice_sp | yes. It's like using an 'extra' repository | 05:30 |
| fabrice_sp | https://launchpad.net/~fabricesp/+archive/ppa | 05:31 |
| fabrice_sp | (just the link to the ppa. It's not yet published :-) ) | 05:31 |
| JanC | is this package new in jaunty? | 05:34 |
| Zarel | Define "new" | 05:34 |
| Zarel | I mean, the current version was only added a day or two ago. | 05:34 |
| Zarel | But Warzone's been in Ubuntu for years. | 05:34 |
| fabrice_sp | JanC, no. It's just an upgrade to a stable version | 05:34 |
| fabrice_sp | since gutsy, at least (with version 2.1.0~0.svn1436-1) | 05:35 |
| JanC | ah, currently I see 2.1.1 in the repository, no mentioning of "beta" ? | 05:36 |
| fabrice_sp | warzone2100 2.1.1-1 still building... | 05:36 |
| Zarel | JanC: That's in Jaunty. Intrepid has 2.1-beta4 | 05:36 |
| fabrice_sp | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&keywords=warzone2100 | 05:36 |
| Zarel | I'm not sure why Ubuntu's policies are stringent enough that betas can't be updated to finals, yet lax enough for a pre-alpha build to be included with gutsy/hardy. | 05:37 |
| JanC | Zarel: oh, right, then a backport would be useful maybe | 05:37 |
| Zarel | I mean, Warzone _does_ have a reputation for having trunk stabler than the latest stable most of the time, but it still seems weird. | 05:38 |
| JanC | or if that's not allowed, a package in a PPA ;) | 05:38 |
| Zarel | That's apparently what people are doing now. | 05:39 |
| Zarel | Hmm. I estimate 2.1.2 is going to be released in a week. Do you think that's soon enough to make it into Jaunty? | 05:39 |
| fabrice_sp | Zarel, but most of packages are not, and sometime, it's worst: the first stable release is not stable either, and you have to wait until stable.1 to have a real stable version | 05:40 |
| Zarel | It fixes a moderately important bug - crashes in multiplayer games larger than 6 players. | 05:40 |
| fabrice_sp | Zarel, if it's a bug fixing only, and Debian package it, yes | 05:40 |
| fabrice_sp | ok then | 05:40 |
| Zarel | 2.1.1 done building? | 05:40 |
| fabrice_sp | and we can even apply the fix directly in the actual version and sync later | 05:40 |
| fabrice_sp | not yet... | 05:41 |
| JanC | Zarel, if you have proof about maintaining stability, it might be useful to provide that to fabrice_sp | 05:41 |
| fabrice_sp | I'll upload it to my ppa and see what happen | 05:42 |
| Zarel | JanC: "Maintaining"? You imply Warzone was stable in the first place. :P | 05:42 |
| JanC | Zarel: I mean, if new versions have no regressions... | 05:43 |
| Zarel | Does a developer saying "I'm pretty sure there are no new regressions" count? | 05:43 |
| JanC | e.g. if you have strong regression tests... ;) | 05:43 |
| fabrice_sp | Well, I just played half an hour yesterday, and didn't find problems ;-) | 05:43 |
| fabrice_sp | lol | 05:44 |
| fabrice_sp | I don't think so Zarel | 05:44 |
| fabrice_sp | :-) | 05:44 |
| Zarel | Nope, but all our users say 2.1.1 is much stabler than 2.1-beta4. Does that count? | 05:44 |
| Zarel | I mean, all our users other than Ubuntu users who don't build from source are using 2.1.1... | 05:44 |
| JanC | well, then a PPA build is probable good enough... | 05:46 |
| fabrice_sp | I would say, for a backport, it's not a problem | 05:47 |
| fabrice_sp | but actually, the team a long queue to process, so that's why a ppa is quicker, if you find someone to process it :-) | 05:47 |
| fabrice_sp | yes | 05:47 |
| fabrice_sp | I already backport some programs, even mupen64plus :-) | 05:47 |
| fabrice_sp | (in my ppa, I mean) | 05:48 |
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| * fabrice_sp shouldn't be building 3 programs at the same time ... | 05:49 | |
| Zarel | :P | 05:53 |
| Zarel | The weird thing about Ubuntu is that it doesn't report versions at all. | 05:54 |
| Zarel | "Add/Remove Applications" isn't telling me which version of Warzone it has available. >_< | 05:54 |
| fabrice_sp | what do you mean? | 05:54 |
| Zarel | That's actually one of my biggest gripes with Ubuntu. It's hard to find the version of anything. | 05:54 |
| Zarel | You know the "Add/Remove Applications" thing? Some sort of GUI for apt. It doesn't report which version of Warzone it has. | 05:55 |
| fabrice_sp | you have it in zynaptic or with a apt-cache policy warzone2100 command | 05:55 |
| fabrice_sp | synaptic | 05:56 |
| fabrice_sp | in bug reports, that's generally what I request: output of 'apt-cache policy <package>' to know the version | 05:56 |
| Zarel | That's silly. I have to drop down to command-line just to figure out what version I'm installing? | 05:58 |
| fabrice_sp | synaptic, then | 05:58 |
| fabrice_sp | system/admin/package management | 05:58 |
| * fabrice_sp already uploaded half of the source code of warzone to his ppa | 06:06 | |
| fabrice_sp | Zarel, warzone2100 2.1.1 is built in my ppa for amd64 and lpia for Intrepid. i386 still building | 06:21 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:23 |
| fabrice_sp | Hey dholbach ! Good morning ;-) | 06:29 |
| dholbach | hiya fabrice_sp | 06:30 |
| fabrice_sp | it has been a long time :-) | 06:30 |
| dholbach | since when? :) | 06:30 |
| fabrice_sp | since I saw you at that time :-) | 06:31 |
| dholbach | ah, yes - I was in Boston from Monday to Wednesday - just came back to Europe yesterday :) | 06:31 |
| * dholbach takes the dog for a walk, brb | 06:34 | |
| fabrice_sp | Ohh. not too cold there? Some of my colleagues at work are working there and thy told me it was -16ºC yesterday :-/ | 06:34 |
| fabrice_sp | CU | 06:34 |
| dholbach | fabrice_sp: it was REALLY cold and they got quite a bit of snow :) | 06:34 |
| fabrice_sp | yeah :-) good walk! | 06:34 |
| dholbach | when I came back to Berlin yesterday I was greeted by -8°C -> 12°C :-) | 06:34 |
| dholbach | thanks - brb | 06:34 |
| fabrice_sp | lol | 06:35 |
| savvas | does anyone know if localisation for gdebi is stripped from the package? I was wondering how does it get in language-pack-xx-base package and installed in /usr/share/locale-langpack ... http://tinyurl.com/av2vtr | 07:32 |
| savvas | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) | 07:48 |
| savvas | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.7/libxul.so') | 07:48 |
| savvas | bug 338607 | 08:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 338607 in xulrunner-1.9 "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338607 | 08:09 |
| Toadstool | good morning! | 08:14 |
| jpds | Morning Toadstool. | 08:18 |
| Toadstool | hello jpds | 08:19 |
| sistpoty|work | hi folks | 10:04 |
| directhex | hello sistpoty|work | 10:06 |
| sistpoty|work | hi directhex | 10:06 |
| directhex | hm, what's the easiest way to update a package with a bugfix release which needs nothing more than "uupdate" running on it? | 10:07 |
| directhex | debdiff from previous upstream? i always hated those, but seems easiest | 10:07 |
| slytherin | directhex: do you need sponsorship? if yes then diff.gz. | 10:09 |
| directhex | slytherin, and orig? | 10:09 |
| persia | directhex, orig can be gotten with uscan, right? | 10:09 |
| directhex | persia, with get-orig-source ideally, but yes | 10:10 |
| persia | Does uupdate do get-orig-source? | 10:10 |
| directhex | nah, gotta go through that pain manually. just finished though | 10:10 |
| directhex | not THAT much pain given i started when sistpoty|work said hi ;) | 10:11 |
| persia | Then, right. Your sponsor can use the get-orig-source rule to get the orig, and then match that with your diff.gz, and upload. | 10:11 |
| slytherin | directhex: ideally get-orig-source should call uscan <appropriate options> | 10:12 |
| directhex | slytherin, looks like this particular package IS a simple uscan-based one. some are a lot more complex though due to repackaging | 10:13 |
| persia | Well, some people use uscan to repackage. It can do basic things like .bz2 -> .gz and .zip -> .gz | 10:14 |
| persia | For extra points, someone ought define a syntax for watch files that removes files during repackaging, and a patch to uscan to support that, and submit to Debian. | 10:14 |
| directhex | you know, that's not a half bad idea. whose work is uscan? | 10:16 |
| slytherin | persia: In some of the java packages, I have seen a separate script orig-tar.sh which is then mentioned in the watch file | 10:16 |
| persia | slytherin, Indeed. I spent some time arguing against people doing that on Debian lists, but apparently not everyone believes they know make well enough to do it cleanly (even when I presented examples, some of the examples were used to refine the shell-based orig-tar.sh scripts). | 10:17 |
| persia | I still think it's better to do it in get-orig-source (without a shell script), and would be nice if uscan could handle simple file deletion, but I'm not going to argue about it anymore for a while. | 10:18 |
| directhex | my most obscene get-orig-source by FAR is ikvm | 10:19 |
| directhex | but my repackaged ikvm appears to be made of awesome - builds on at least 4 more arches than it used to as per https://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=ikvm | 10:20 |
| directhex | okay then, u-u-s subscribed to bug #338665 - anything visibly done wrong? | 10:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 338665 in moon "New upstream bugfix release: 1.0.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338665 | 10:21 |
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| slytherin | directhex: by the way, forgot to tell you. ikvm fails even basic swing test. :-) | 10:56 |
| directhex | slytherin, it runs hello world! :p | 10:56 |
| directhex | slytherin, i know, it's useless for gui things, the code's marked "proof of concept" for a reason | 10:56 |
| slytherin | :-) | 10:56 |
| directhex | i'm pleased that swing hello world works ^_^ | 10:57 |
| directhex | i did some testing a few days ago | 10:57 |
| directhex | slytherin, one thing you might notice, though, is the number of arches for pre/post directhex packagin on http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libikvm-native | 10:58 |
| persia | directhex, You're clearly the best maintainer for that, although I suspect you won't be surprised if you don't have that many users | 10:59 |
| directhex | persia, there are packages with far fewer users in the archive | 11:00 |
| directhex | persia, mostly i find it both a technically fascinating app, and a packaging challenge | 11:00 |
| persia | Precisely why you're the best maintainer :) | 11:00 |
| directhex | persia, i'm wondering if there's any value in other Iron* type packages, e.g. ironscheme & ironruby & ironlisp | 11:01 |
| slytherin | directhex: no swing hello world does not work. But in any case I am not bothered with that as much. | 11:01 |
| directhex | slytherin, worked for me :/ | 11:01 |
| persia | directhex, Not to me, but if you find them interesting, by all means... | 11:01 |
| slytherin | directhex: I will send you the program I used tonight. | 11:02 |
| directhex | slytherin, go ahead! | 11:02 |
| _ruben | man .. if only i had known dkms was in fact so damn easy (especially compared to m-a) | 11:04 |
| c_korn | is the config.log of a build that failed available somewhere? | 11:07 |
| directhex | nay! | 11:09 |
| geser | c_korn: no. you need to cat it in rules so it appears in the build log | 11:14 |
| Laney | meow | 11:15 |
| directhex | morning Laney! | 11:15 |
| Laney | howdy compadre | 11:15 |
| c_korn | geser: ok, but the configure fails so the cat would never be executed | 11:16 |
| Laney | you can set up a pbuilder hook to drop you into a shell after build failures | 11:17 |
| directhex | c_korn, ./configure || cat config.log | 11:17 |
| c_korn | btw. it only fails on some archs like powerpc. can PPAs build for those archs? otherwise I don't know how to test | 11:18 |
| directhex | no | 11:19 |
| directhex | the only arch i even got qemu to work with was arch | 11:19 |
| directhex | which package is this? | 11:19 |
| c_korn | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/scilab/5.1-0ubuntu2 | 11:19 |
| c_korn | scilab | 11:19 |
| slytherin | c_korn: you can't figure out the reason for failure from LP's build log? | 11:19 |
| c_korn | Sylvestre (maintainer of scilab) requested the config.log | 11:20 |
| persia | c_korn, Just insert cat config.log after the ./configure call in debian/rules | 11:21 |
| directhex | ebay + second hand mac. best way. | 11:21 |
| c_korn | is it mandatory that scilab builds on all archs? | 11:21 |
| directhex | no. | 11:21 |
| c_korn | ok so the official build machines are the only which can build for those archs? | 11:22 |
| directhex | yup | 11:22 |
| c_korn | then scilab had to be reuploaded only to get the config.log | 11:22 |
| c_korn | it is not worth it, is it? | 11:23 |
| slytherin | c_korn: the build failure looks familiar. Let me take a look | 11:24 |
| directhex | hm, jni woe | 11:26 |
| directhex | yay for JNI | 11:26 |
| directhex | without JNI, mono wouldn't exist | 11:31 |
| pmjdebruijn | directhex: that's doesn't make sense to me? | 11:34 |
| _ruben | i wonder if there's any source packages that result in a binary package (userland) and a dkms package (kernelland) .. couldnt find any atleast | 11:35 |
| directhex | pmjdebruijn, why not? | 11:35 |
| pmjdebruijn | directhex: what does JNI have to do with Mono? | 11:37 |
| pmjdebruijn | directhex: it possibly related to ikvm | 11:37 |
| pmjdebruijn | but not to Mono itself | 11:37 |
| directhex | pmjdebruijn, .net exists because microsoft were sued for creating their non-sun-compatible jvm (which had a non-crap JNI replacement), and they still wanted something damn close to java but with less lawsuits. mono appeared based on their EMCA specifications | 11:38 |
| directhex | pmjdebruijn, if JNI wasn't an irredeemable pile of shit, there'd be no .net (or mono by extension) | 11:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | directhex: if you put it like that | 11:39 |
| persia | Apparently 0.0~20080608-1ubuntu1 < 0.0~20080628-1 which is annoying. Further, it appears that 0.0~20080628-2 is also less than 0.0~20080628-1. Anyone have any suggestions on how to update this version? | 11:51 |
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| * persia seeks the typo, and retracts the query | 12:03 | |
| hyperair | how does a package appear on merge-o-matic? | 12:23 |
| slytherin | is powerpc considered 64 bit arch? | 12:24 |
| broonie | slytherin: The G5 is 64 bit but normally you run a 32 bit user space with select 64 bit applications/libs | 12:25 |
| slytherin | ok | 12:25 |
| slytherin | hyperair: when debian package is updated and last version in ubuntu is -nubuntux. | 12:26 |
| persia | And merge-o-matic is running, and the package isn't in the blacklist | 12:26 |
| hyperair | slytherin: it's automatic? | 12:26 |
| hyperair | hmm i guess i'll just wait for banshee to appear then. i think it just got uploaded | 12:26 |
| slytherin | c_korn: I give up. Looking at the configure script gives no idea about build failure. | 12:27 |
| c_korn | slytherin: http://pastebin.com/d61eb934 | 12:28 |
| slytherin | c_korn: so you found the solution? | 12:29 |
| c_korn | no, sylvestre then asked for the config.log | 12:29 |
| elmargol | dholbach, do you know if there is a screencast how to do debian packaging using git? (I'm asking you since you did some screencasts about debian packaging) | 12:30 |
| slytherin | c_korn: you can patch m4/java.m4 around line 412 | 12:35 |
| slytherin | c_korn: I think the LDFLAGS passed to configure script are not used at all. hence this problem. | 12:36 |
| slytherin | what is significance of LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? | 12:37 |
| c_korn | slytherin: I don't know. sylvestre has to take a look at it | 12:51 |
| lfaraone | I have a suite of packages (about 4) that need to have the python version bumped; do I have to make a debdiff for all of them> | 13:19 |
| lfaraone | *? | 13:19 |
| geser | 4 source packages? | 13:20 |
| lfaraone | geser: yes. | 13:20 |
| geser | if you want credits for the uploads then provide debdiffs :) else tell me the package names and I'll look at it | 13:21 |
| lfaraone | geser: kk. | 13:23 |
| lfaraone | geser: odd, I don't see where in the package it depends on python 2.6... | 13:37 |
| lfaraone | geser: ( https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-datastore/0.83.2-0ubuntu1 ) | 13:38 |
| geser | it probably just needs a rebuild to get updated dependencies | 13:39 |
| lfaraone | geser: ah. | 13:40 |
| lfaraone | geser: while I'm at it I'm going to import a new upstream version. | 13:40 |
| lfaraone | geser: I assume it's OK since it's a bugfix release, before we were shipping an alpha. (upstream was in FF before we were) | 13:40 |
| geser | you know that we are in FF and you need an exception if it's not a bugfix release? | 13:41 |
| geser | in that case it's ok | 13:41 |
| lfaraone | geser: goody. | 13:42 |
| geser | lfaraone: so I should leave bug 338626 for you? | 13:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 338626 in sugar-datastore "[jaunty] python-olpc-datastore: Depends: python (< 2.6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338626 | 13:42 |
| lfaraone | geser: yeah. | 13:42 |
| geser | I've just uploaded a rebuild for sugar-toolkit | 13:43 |
| dholbach | elmargol: sorry, no idea about that | 13:44 |
| lfaraone | geser: there were bugfixes to *all* of those packages :) | 13:47 |
| didrocks | hey dholbach, thanks for the publication :) | 14:10 |
| dholbach | didrocks: sure :) | 14:11 |
| hggdh | dholbach, ping | 14:23 |
| dholbach | hggdh: pong | 14:23 |
| hggdh | dholbach, could you please sponsor http://revu.ubuntuwire.org/p/libpst? Séb is quiite busy, and we have not had success on getting a MOTU to do so | 14:24 |
| hyperair | hmm i thought there was a featurefreeze? | 14:25 |
| dholbach | hggdh: let's take this to #ubuntu-desktop | 14:25 |
| dholbach | hyperair: we are, it's needed for something in evolution | 14:26 |
| hyperair | aah i see | 14:26 |
| hggdh | it is a pre-req for a new plugin | 14:26 |
| eMerzh | I'm Looking for advocating for my package at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman | 14:33 |
| DrHalan | can somebody explain me what this does? i am new to building packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/127249/ | 14:35 |
| dholbach | hi mterry, hi bdrung | 14:37 |
| dholbach | hiya bfiller | 14:37 |
| bfiller | dholbach: wassup | 14:37 |
| dholbach | bfiller: I'm tired - and catching up with mountains of email | 14:38 |
| dholbach | bfiller: how are you? | 14:38 |
| dholbach | :) | 14:38 |
| bfiller | dholbach: I bet you are, sorry I didn't see you guys off on Weds | 14:38 |
| bfiller | dholbach: jet lag is difficult (: | 14:39 |
| dholbach | don't worry, I'm sure you were busy as always - it was great meeting you | 14:39 |
| mterry | dholbach: Hello! | 14:45 |
| mterry | dholbach: Did you guys have an awesome sprint? | 14:45 |
| dholbach | mterry: absolutely - lots to talk about, but also lots of stuff that got done - so I'm happy | 14:47 |
| dholbach | as much as like hanging out with all you guys I look forward to this WE too :-) | 14:47 |
| mterry | dholbach: :) | 14:48 |
| sistpoty|work | siretart: what do you think about getting xine-lib updated? (FF bug #329572) | 14:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 329572 in xine-lib "[jaunty] Please merge xine-lib 1.1.16.2 from debian sid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329572 | 14:54 |
| sistpoty|work | siretart: oh, it's in main... so not motu-release duty :) | 14:56 |
| siretart | sistpoty|work: in any case that merge would be a very good idea, IMO | 14:56 |
| sistpoty|work | :) | 14:56 |
| siretart | sistpoty|work: btw, didn't we agree at some point that minor upstream release do not need an freeze exception? | 14:57 |
| sistpoty|work | siretart: yep, bugfix only versions don't need a FFe | 14:57 |
| sistpoty|work | siretart: I just thought I'd ask you, because you should know best about xine-lib before wondering myself if its a bugfix only (or if it makes sense in the first place) ;) | 14:58 |
| siretart | this is clearly a bugfix only release | 14:58 |
| siretart | it seems nixternal is already working on that. less work for me :-) | 14:59 |
| sistpoty|work | heh | 14:59 |
| jcfp | in case ${Python-Depends} expands to something unusable (see LP #338392), is it acceptable to set the dependencies manually as they should be? | 15:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 338392 in python-support "Creates uninstallable packages on jaunty when only python 2.5 is wanted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338392 | 15:00 |
| ScottK | jcfp: It's better to figure out why it expanded that way and fix it. | 15:00 |
| jcfp | I have no clue whatsoever why it comes up with the python (<< 2.6) part, the rest seems fine | 15:03 |
| ScottK | Did you try it with Deiban's pysupport? | 15:04 |
| jcfp | ScottK: how? by building in debian sid? | 15:05 |
| ScottK | Install the Debian pysupport in your Ubuntu pbuilder | 15:05 |
| ScottK | Since Debian doesn't have 2.6, no way to check there. | 15:05 |
| leonel | scottK does debian has already a clamav 0.95rc package or we need to start testing the rdpends with our own ? | 15:07 |
| ScottK | They don't have it packaged yet. | 15:07 |
| ScottK | I haven't had time to look into how hard it would be. | 15:07 |
| leonel | scottK ok I'll start checking that package just to start the engines with the rdepends .. | 15:08 |
| jcfp | ScottK: how do I add debian packages to a jaunty pbuilder? | 15:08 |
| ScottK | jcfp: Use pbuilder login then inside the chroot grab the source, build it, and install it. | 15:09 |
| jcfp | tx on it | 15:09 |
| sistpoty|work | siretart: oh, from the activity log of the xine-lib bug, someone else assigned nixternal... not too sure if that was on purpose | 15:09 |
| jcfp | ScottK: use the one from unstable or experimental? | 15:11 |
| ScottK | I'd try both. | 15:11 |
| siretart | sistpoty|work: oh | 15:25 |
| siretart | nixternal: are you actually working on bug 329572? | 15:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 329572 in xine-lib "[jaunty] Please merge xine-lib 1.1.16.2 from debian sid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329572 | 15:26 |
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| jcfp | ScottK: no difference with any of the debian python-support versions other than the version of the dependency on python-support itself; the weird python (<< 2.6) dep is still there. | 15:38 |
| * ScottK doesn't use python-support, so I'd suggest ask on #debian-python | 15:39 | |
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| dholbach | sistpoty|work: anything else required on bug 334813? | 15:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 334813 in evolution-rss "installing evolution-rss removes evolution" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334813 | 15:51 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 16:01 |
| sistpoty|work | dholbach: nope, seb granted the FFe | 16:04 |
| sistpoty|work | hi bddebian | 16:04 |
| bddebian | Heya sistpoty|work | 16:04 |
| dholbach | sistpoty|work: gracias | 16:05 |
| sistpoty|work | dholbach: you're welcome ;) | 16:05 |
| nixternal | siretart: that would be a no | 16:13 |
| nixternal | I am not working on the xinelib bug | 16:13 |
| siretart | nixternal: okay, I'll steal that bug then from you | 16:15 |
| nixternal | roger that | 16:15 |
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| RainCT | python-awn-extras needs rebuild | 16:48 |
| * RainCT does it | 16:49 | |
| RainCT | ah, it's blocking on avant-window-navigator being built | 16:52 |
| DrHalan | in deb scripts i find the command "p". what does it do? | 17:09 |
| pmjdebruijn | DrHalan: can you put it on a pastebin? | 17:22 |
| pmjdebruijn | DrHalan: isn't 'p' a predefined function in the same script? | 17:22 |
| DrHalan | pmjdebruijn: oh osrry i think there was a c missing and "cp" was meant | 17:24 |
| DrHalan | still i cant execute this line but it seems fine "cp -r * ../" | 17:27 |
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| fabrice_sp | Hi. I fixed a FTBFS in a package but now, it's FTBFS because of the transition to python2.6. Where can I find instructions on what to do to do the transition? | 18:12 |
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| maxb | Can anyone think of a convenient command to take a directory full of debs and classify them according to whether they belong to intrepid or jaunty? | 19:12 |
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| amikrop | Hello. The ipod-convenience package really should not require the gtkpod and the amarok packages. | 19:27 |
| amikrop | I can't find a reason. | 19:27 |
| amikrop | It is just extra unnecessary software. | 19:27 |
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| jdong | directhex: I just found BeginInvoke/EndInvoke. It's like a kid in a candy store all over again. | 19:42 |
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| sebner | huhu sistpoty :D | 19:57 |
| hanska | sebner: you here?! :P | 19:57 |
| * hanska runs | 19:57 | |
| fabrice_sp | Hi. setup.py is installing the python extension in usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages for python2.6 but in usr/lib/python2.5/dist-packages for python2.5. What do I miss? | 19:59 |
| sistpoty | hi sebner | 20:08 |
| sistpoty | sebner: how's the army? when will you'll be a civilian again? ;) | 20:09 |
| sebner | sistpoty: 4 months :( but my chances to get a nice job in ~1 month (office job ..) aren't that bad | 20:11 |
| AnAnt | Hello, I have a question, I am maintaining sl-modem in Debian, which uses either DKMS or module-assistant to build its modules, the question is, when DKMS enters Debian (it has been in NEW & BYHAND for 2 weeks), won't it be better that I drop support for module-assistant ? | 20:11 |
| pochu | sebner: don't you like the field? ;) | 20:11 |
| sistpoty | sebner: well, then get that job ;) | 20:11 |
| sebner | sistpoty: I hope so :P | 20:12 |
| sebner | pochu: nahh, too dirty :P | 20:12 |
| sistpoty | AnAnt: does dkms support custom build kernels? | 20:13 |
| AnAnt | sistpoty: dunno, I think superm1 can better answer this question | 20:14 |
| superm1 | sure why not | 20:14 |
| superm1 | as long as the headers are in place | 20:14 |
| goshawk | RainCT: hi, submitted the debdiff for hardy right now | 20:14 |
| sistpoty | AnAnt: then I guess supporting only one system can be better tested than two independent module building systems? | 20:15 |
| goshawk | RainCT: i'm looking for new bitesize/s bugs.. .or should i do another thing? | 20:15 |
| Laney | fix miro for me :( | 20:16 |
| goshawk | Laney: point me bug number | 20:19 |
| goshawk | and i'll have a look :) | 20:19 |
| AnAnt | sistpoty: yup | 20:19 |
| Laney | goshawk: haha, it's a difficult ftbfs | 20:19 |
| Laney | try and build miro out of jaunty and you'll see | 20:19 |
| AnAnt | RainCT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard#Resistance_to_adoption | 20:20 |
| * sistpoty is confused about trigger in debian/games svn, because it contains *two* imo unreleased changelog entries | 20:22 | |
| sistpoty | aha, bad commit in the past... /me cleans up | 20:24 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: happen to know if the new physfs is through binary new on all arches yet? (i.e. if not, should I add a versioned b-d for trigger on the new one?) | 20:37 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: 1.0.1 or 1.1.1? | 20:40 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: 1.1.1 | 20:41 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: i.e. your last upload to unstable ;) | 20:41 |
| bddebian | eeks 1.1.1 should be going to experimental | 20:42 |
| bddebian | 1.0.1 should be in unstable | 20:42 |
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| sistpoty | bddebian: maybe I've misread the changes entry, that was just what i recalled right now | 20:44 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: indeed, 1.1.1 is in new/experimental | 20:45 |
| bddebian | whew | 20:46 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: ok, then I guess my question is moot, since there's no soname bump involved? | 20:47 |
| bddebian | Not for 1.0.1 no, but there will be if I upload 1.1.1 to unstable :) | 20:47 |
| sistpoty | heh | 20:47 |
| sistpoty | thanks bddebian | 20:47 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: does an upload of trigger than make sense now? (it would need to go through binary new itself, since it changes package names from trigger to trigger-rally, trigger-data likewise) | 20:51 |
| bddebian | I'd like to get 1.1.1 in but I don't know about all the rdepends yet :( | 20:52 |
| bddebian | I have the same issue with asc right now | 20:52 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: Are you trying to do this for Jaunty? | 20:56 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: no, for unstable ;) | 20:56 |
| bddebian | Ah then if you could wait I'd appreciate it. Even better if you could test with libphysfs-1.1.1 from experimental. ;-) | 20:57 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: actually, there aren't too many changes worth for jaunty, as the old package includes all upstream changes via patches :) | 20:57 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: sure, I'll try that. | 20:57 |
| bddebian | sweet, thanks | 20:58 |
| sistpoty | (/me will have to patch it upstream wise if it fails anyways, and I recall to have played with the physfs interaction in the past *g*) | 21:02 |
| RainCT | geser: I've given-back the failed builds of awn-extras-applets ;) | 21:26 |
| lfaraone | Is there a reason we don't ship the DoD root CA certs in Ubuntu? | 21:30 |
| ScottK | lfaraone: Does anyone? | 21:31 |
| ScottK | lfaraone: I can imagine that "Automatically trust US DoD" would not be considered a feature by some fraction of the user base. | 21:32 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: got a source package of 1.1.1 physfs? (or preferred binary packages for amd64)? | 21:32 |
| lfaraone | ScottK: well, if the DoD wanted to they could seize VeriSign's certs. | 21:33 |
| lfaraone | ScottK: and most likely prolly already have. | 21:34 |
| lfaraone | ScottK: I think Windows 7 might. | 21:34 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: I don't have a binary for amd64 as I don't have one sorry. But here is a source package: http://people.debian.org/~pabs/tmp/debs/libphysfs_1.1.1-1.dsc | 21:34 |
| bddebian | It builds pretty quickly | 21:37 |
| sistpoty | thanks bddebian :) | 21:41 |
| bddebian | NP. Gotta run, let me know how it goes. :) | 21:42 |
| dblick | If I want to install jaunty from a fresh install of intrepid on a VirtualBox image, what's the right way to start? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases is a little unclear on how to actually do an upgrade | 21:56 |
| sistpoty | dblick: I assume the best path is to first backup your image and then do a "sudo do-release-upgrade" (eventually changing /etc/apt/sources.list beforehand) | 22:01 |
| sistpoty | dblick: oh, and of course to cross finger for the latter part ;) | 22:01 |
| dblick | sistpoty, thanks, i didn't know about that command | 22:03 |
| * sistpoty admits that he looked it up himself | 22:03 | |
| ianto | If I was in a team with a DD, if he were to upload to Debian, would I be able to then make changes from his package and place that in Ubuntu when Debian & Ubuntu package merge or is that dealt with by an external person who has MOTU rights for example? | 22:49 |
| Laney | it would be no different from taking any other change from Debian | 22:50 |
| Laney | so yes, sync and merge would be available to you as normal | 22:50 |
| Laney | infact this is a fairly common thing | 22:50 |
| hanska | Laney knows it :P | 22:51 |
| hanska | Laney: ;) | 22:51 |
| Laney | \o/ | 22:51 |
| Laney | working in Debian is clearly far better | 22:51 |
| hanska | Laney: eheh, remember who is +bugs :P | 22:52 |
| * hanska runs fast | 22:52 | |
| dtchen | jcastro: are you noticing lower "cpu usage" with my PPA debs? | 23:16 |
| duairc | Would this be the right place to discuss the way a piece of software is packaged in Ubuntu and possibly suggest improvements? | 23:17 |
| duairc | Or seeing as the package(s) I have in mind come from Debian, would there be a better place to go? | 23:17 |
| dtchen | for source packages in Ubuntu universe and multiverse, yes. | 23:17 |
| RainCT | dtchen: contacting the Debian Maintainer would be better | 23:18 |
| dtchen | ^ duairc | 23:18 |
| duairc | RainCT: dtchen: Okay, thanks for that :) | 23:18 |
| RainCT | dtchen: err, sorry :) | 23:19 |
| ploum | Hello | 23:46 |
| ploum | Do you use some tool to format the changelog of your package? | 23:46 |
| ploum | I do it by hand and always forget to change the date | 23:47 |
| ploum | And I guess that the changelog file should become really long after some times | 23:47 |
| Laney | ploum: dch | 23:47 |
| Laney | in devscripts | 23:47 |
| ploum | Laney: thanks a lot ! | 23:49 |
| ploum | it will help :-) | 23:49 |
| ploum | Is there a way to automatically take the upstream source changelog ? | 23:50 |
| sistpoty | ploum: you shouldn't do this... debian/changelog should describe mainly the changes to *packaging* (but of course you could highlights of new upstream features there as subitems of "new upstream release" | 23:52 |
| ploum | sistpoty: ok, thanks for the information | 23:53 |
| sistpoty | np ;) | 23:53 |
| * sistpoty goes to bed now... gn8 everyone | 23:54 | |
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