| * directhex pings a little | 01:33 | |
| directhex | asac, you about? | 01:34 |
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| asac | directhex: ? | 12:40 |
| directhex | asac, i forgotted. something about your hard work on updating monoish things to xulrunner 1.9 i think | 13:16 |
| asac | directhex: yeah. what happened? | 13:21 |
| asac | long time since i touched something monoish ;) | 13:21 |
| asac | it hink it was mono gnome stuff | 13:21 |
| asac | i think that debian pulled this in from us and took care for upstreaming | 13:21 |
| directhex | asac, erm, i think it was a "mind if we kill it dead?". gecko# has only one rdep, and the new version of that rdep has been ported to webkit# | 13:22 |
| asac | if all apps are happy, then yeah | 13:22 |
| asac | directhex: is all in main yet? | 13:23 |
| asac | i mean the mono webkit binding? | 13:23 |
| asac | i think that was kind of a blocker | 13:23 |
| directhex | webkit# went in, yes | 13:24 |
| directhex | as things have been dumping gecko# for webkit# | 13:24 |
| directhex | basically because gecko# causes nasty per-platform code at compile time, and webkit# is easy peasy. so for an rss client (blam), webkit# is more than enough | 13:24 |
| asac | directhex: what is the "per-platform" code at compile time? | 13:26 |
| asac | how does webkit ship on windows? | 13:27 |
| asac | how do you find the right webkit version on windows? | 13:27 |
| asac | gecko has the same code everywhere: glue | 13:27 |
| directhex | asac, i don't remember the specifics, but gecko# caused apps to be arch:any not arch:all in the past | 13:28 |
| asac | oh that. yeah thats a problem of the gecko binding then and not a problem of gecko itself | 13:28 |
| asac | but as i said if done properly gecko would be more cross platform | 13:29 |
| asac | anyway, i dont care | 13:29 |
| asac | its understood that we have to do our homework on the embedding front for gecko | 13:29 |
| asac | but now that webkit its there, its not as pressing anymore | 13:29 |
| directhex | i'll file a FFe on blam 1.8.6 then | 13:30 |
| asac | directhex: so you want to remove the mono binding completely from the archive? or just demote? | 13:33 |
| asac | which package was that btw ;)? | 13:33 |
| directhex | asac, i think meebey wanted complete removal | 13:34 |
| directhex | asac, the package was blam, an rss app | 13:34 |
| asac | BUGabundo: no. what package is the mono binding for gecko ;) | 13:35 |
| directhex | gecko-sharp2 | 13:35 |
| asac | BUGabundo: sorry that was for directhex | 13:35 |
| asac | (obviously) | 13:35 |
| asac | ah | 13:35 |
| directhex | binary package libgecko2.0-cil | 13:35 |
| asac | directhex: i would think we should keep it in the archive if it still works. | 13:38 |
| directhex | asac, it only works because you've patched it to buggery, though. it's pretty much unmaintained upstream | 13:40 |
| asac | directhex: well. the patches work, right? | 13:40 |
| asac | or are there issues? | 13:40 |
| asac | directhex: my point is just (could be that i am not in mono), that if i want to do mono html rendering that works on all platforms is there another decent solution avail? | 13:41 |
| asac | all platforms == != linux ;) | 13:41 |
| directhex | asac, depends on your toolkit, i think. short answer is: i'm not sure | 13:42 |
| directhex | however, i strongly suspect it's going to end up being RM'd in debian, so you really will be the only maintainer | 13:43 |
| BUGabundo | asac: ahh wondering what I could help with! heeh | 13:55 |
| asac | directhex: for now the package should be low maintenance cost. if we have issues that take time, we can still remove it | 13:56 |
| fta | Mozilla Bug 381900 | 14:09 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 381900 in Build Config "Make a checkout target for the build system" [Normal,Resolved: wontfix] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=381900 | 14:09 |
| gnomefreak | did the bot for umd not run today yet? | 14:26 |
| fta | gnomefreak, broken yesterday by the new bzr-builddeb defaults, should be fixed for the next run | 14:33 |
| gnomefreak | fta: ah ok thanks | 14:38 |
| Greenery | if i installed Firefox from the Ubuntu Mozilla Daily Build Team PPA, will it replace current Firefox from official ubuntu repo? | 14:45 |
| fta | if it's the same package name, yes | 14:46 |
| fta | ff 3.1 from the PPA will replace the one from universe | 14:46 |
| Greenery | ah i see | 14:47 |
| fta | but 3.1 and 3.2 will not replace ff 3.0 from main | 14:47 |
| fta | it's not a problem, it's maintained by the same team | 14:47 |
| Greenery | ah good to hear that, so there will be two firefox, Firefox 3.0.7 and Firefox 3.1b if I installed the beta version, correct? | 14:47 |
| fta | yes | 14:48 |
| Greenery | any news about the Qt version of Firefox? | 14:48 |
| BUGabundo1 | Greenery: and if you want to start 3.1 you just use $ firefox-3.1 | 14:48 |
| fta | Greenery, no progress in months :( | 14:48 |
| Greenery | oh how about profile? Will it use new profile? | 14:49 |
| BUGabundo1 | it will copy the existing one | 14:49 |
| fta | i will clone your existing profile the 1st time you run it, then it diverges | 14:49 |
| fta | -i+it | 14:49 |
| Greenery | great, I'm gonna give it a try. Thanks! | 14:50 |
| asac | Qt is out of scope for jaunty | 14:55 |
| gnomefreak | asac: bug 232308 sounds more like a foint issue to me | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 232308 in mozilla-thunderbird "corner of letter J gets stuck behind after moving window and changing position of J" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232308 | 15:02 |
| asac | gnomefreak: more like a xdriver issue i would think | 15:22 |
| asac | its kind of an artifact | 15:22 |
| asac | what is a tiP? | 15:23 |
| gnomefreak | fta: you asked about pywebkitgtk yesterday. here is the release version [ubuntu/jaunty] pywebkitgtk 1.0.2-1ubuntu1 | 15:23 |
| asac | ah i see it | 15:23 |
| asac | its built, but its in NEW | 15:23 |
| gnomefreak | asac: the very left hand side of the J at the lower hook | 15:23 |
| gnomefreak | hell i'm lucky i remembered him asking about it | 15:24 |
| Makzu | Hello | 15:27 |
| Makzu | I have a question or two about fta's PPA on launchpad, the one with the mozilla packages | 15:27 |
| gnomefreak | ? | 15:28 |
| Makzu | I want to try out the firefox 3.1 betas, but I want to find a 64-bit build with PGO enabled | 15:29 |
| gnomefreak | holy crap we skipped versions. 3.1 is going to be re-versionsed to 3.5 | 15:30 |
| fta | ? | 15:30 |
| gnomefreak | Makzu: we have not started building with PGO yet You can take the source from the repo and rebvuild with PGO enabled | 15:30 |
| Makzu | I think I'll try that | 15:31 |
| fta | Makzu, we don't have any PGO builds. even upstream doesn't have PGO linux | 15:31 |
| Makzu | That's a shame :( | 15:32 |
| Makzu | The only place I've been able to find a PGO build myself was for arch | 15:34 |
| jdstrand | asac: does iceweasel also use the embedded libpng? what about seamonkey and iceape? | 15:34 |
| gnomefreak | oh way too many changes to versioning fta will versioning changes affect your bot? | 15:35 |
| gnomefreak | seamonkey == iceape | 15:36 |
| * jdstrand nods | 15:36 | |
| fta | gnomefreak, what version changes are you talking about? | 15:37 |
| Makzu | fta, the firefox-3.1_3.1~b3~hg etc etc etc is a mercurial pull of the 3.[1,5] branch, right? Does it have any special Ubuntu sauce? | 15:37 |
| gnomefreak | 3.1 - 3.5 in b4 also something about 3.6 for minefeild but that may just be a mozilla site marker | 15:37 |
| fta | 3.5 in b4 ?? wtf? | 15:37 |
| fta | 3.6 ? | 15:38 |
| fta | eh? | 15:38 |
| gnomefreak | As was discussed at the delivery meeting yesterday, we're proposing to | 15:38 |
| gnomefreak | change the version number of Shiretoko from 3.1 to 3.5 | 15:38 |
| fta | where is that? | 15:38 |
| gnomefreak | hold on a minute | 15:38 |
| gnomefreak | email mailing list dev-planning@lists.mozilla.org i'm pastebinning it | 15:39 |
| gnomefreak | fta: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/630989 | 15:39 |
| gnomefreak | asac: you might want to look at that as well | 15:39 |
| asac | jdstrand: why do we care for iceweasel? did we sync that by accident? | 15:40 |
| jdstrand | asac: I care because I'd like to update the Debian secure-testing svn to note that libpng is embedded in firefox et al | 15:40 |
| asac | jdstrand: its in xulrunner in debian too i would think | 15:41 |
| asac | jdstrand: but i havent tracked that | 15:41 |
| jdstrand | asac: I'd like to be able to say 'embedded, but uses system libpng' or 'uses embedded libpng' | 15:41 |
| asac | jdstrand: maybe mike hommey decided its better to use system png and break apng instead | 15:41 |
| jdstrand | oh, I thought you did did the debian stuff too | 15:41 |
| asac | jdstrand: i dont know ... you need to run a ldd on a xulrunner libs | 15:41 |
| jdstrand | asac: nm then | 15:42 |
| asac | jdstrand: not for stuff that is maintained upstream still | 15:42 |
| asac | jdstrand: at least i try to give the real maintainers a chance | 15:42 |
| asac | jdstrand: only for the EOL branches | 15:42 |
| asac | jdstrand: so 6 month after ffox 3.1 comes out i will bve in charge for that again | 15:42 |
| asac | jdstrand: i would think that xulrunenr does the same then we do | 15:43 |
| Makzu | fta, do the packages in your PPA have any special ubuntu sauce in them, or are they the same as the source I can pull from upstream? | 15:43 |
| asac | jdstrand: should be easy to check. just builddepnds | 15:43 |
| fta | gnomefreak: ok, i'm not worried, xul will be untouched, only ff will need minimal changes. I will let upstream jump 1st. once I see the bot produces firefox-3.1-3.5~b, i will jump too. | 15:43 |
| jdstrand | asac: I'll check them all in my schroots, thanks | 15:43 |
| gnomefreak | fta: ok just making sure :) | 15:43 |
| asac | jdstrand: whats your status in debian security group? | 15:43 |
| asac | jdstrand: so icedove has system-png in debian | 15:44 |
| asac | jdstrand: iceape was removed from lenny ... so not affected | 15:44 |
| jdstrand | asac: I just do stuff in secure-testing (some CVE triage and tracking of embedded copies) | 15:44 |
| fta | Makzu, it has a bunch of patches, and it's using the system xulrunner sdk.. which makes it even tougher to do PGO. | 15:44 |
| asac | jdstrand: ah ok. | 15:44 |
| Makzu | Ah | 15:44 |
| asac | jdstrand: not sure if iceape sank down to testing again. it was removed for the release | 15:44 |
| asac | jdstrand: so icedove has system-png | 15:45 |
| jdstrand | asac: basically, where our work and their works overlaps, we share :) | 15:45 |
| asac | which should be everything ;) | 15:45 |
| asac | well. at least for upstream security issues ;) | 15:45 |
| jdstrand | do our thunderbirds use system png? | 15:45 |
| jdstrand | asac: ^ | 15:45 |
| asac | jdstrand: yes | 15:45 |
| jdstrand | ok cool | 15:45 |
| jdstrand | asac: thanks :) | 15:45 |
| asac | everything from 1.8 branches uses system png everywhere | 15:45 |
| jdstrand | asac: and by 1.8 branches, you mean 1.8 and 1.8.1, right? | 15:46 |
| asac | jdstrand: so our seamonkey packages as well ;) | 15:46 |
| fta | not 3.1 onward, because of apng | 15:46 |
| jdstrand | 3.1 is 1.9.1 | 15:46 |
| asac | jdstrand: all 1.8 branches ... e.g. ffox 2 and 1.5, xul 1.8.0, 1.8.1, seamonkey 1.0 1.1 | 15:46 |
| asac | fta: 3.0 onward | 15:47 |
| jdstrand | gotcha | 15:47 |
| fta | so i should probably update 1.9.1/3.1 in jaunty/universe too | 15:47 |
| asac | fta: didnt i give you an exception yesterday for just that ;) | 15:48 |
| asac | ? | 15:48 |
| asac | e.g. push b3 build1 (now build2) | 15:48 |
| fta | you did, but i remember reed asked us to wait | 15:48 |
| asac | so yeah. just push ;) | 15:48 |
| asac | fta: reed doesnt understand | 15:48 |
| fta | ok, will do later today | 15:48 |
| asac | fta: we can push every tag to jaunty | 15:49 |
| jdstrand | asac: is it accurate to say: | 15:49 |
| asac | fta: and i would really have that | 15:49 |
| jdstrand | seamonkey (1.0) and xulrunner 1.8.0 share codebase | 15:49 |
| jdstrand | seamonkey (1.1) and xulrunner 1.8.1 share codebase | 15:49 |
| asac | fta: except for the "branded" thing where i havee a strict order from firefox never, ever to release anything that has the new version in about before they release final | 15:49 |
| asac | jdstrand: share codebase, but dont share binaries. yes. | 15:49 |
| * jdstrand nods | 15:50 | |
| asac | jdstrand: xulrunner 1.8.0 shares codebase with ffox 1.5 | 15:50 |
| asac | (dapper) | 15:50 |
| asac | 1.8.1 is ffox 2 | 15:50 |
| asac | ;) | 15:50 |
| asac | hehe | 15:50 |
| jdstrand | asac: right | 15:50 |
| gnomefreak | about doesnt work on any build of firefox as i recall 3.0 3.1 3.2 i think seamonkey's does work but cant test at this time | 15:50 |
| jdstrand | asac: I;ve been gathering these and collecting them in ubuntu-cve-tracker. I just never pinned down seamonkey | 15:50 |
| asac | jdstrand: so we have patches for that ;) ... just no resources to properly do it | 15:50 |
| asac | jdstrand: yeah. so your intuition was right ;) | 15:51 |
| jdstrand | :) | 15:51 |
| Makzu | Is there an idiot-friendly guide somewhere for building firefox from mercurial and installing it without clobbering the files that apt put in? | 15:51 |
| asac | so now xulrunner 1.9.1 was firefox 3.1 ... but as it seems they will keep 1.9.1 for xulrunner but use 3.5 for firefox ;) | 15:51 |
| jdstrand | versions == continuous fun :) | 15:52 |
| asac | Makzu: just clone the right mercurial tree | 15:52 |
| Makzu | I'd like to try putting a .deb together so that my fellow ex-ricers can also try out something possibly faster | 15:52 |
| jcastro | asac: python-webkitgtk is all set in jaunty now, so I guess we just rebuild gwibber? | 15:52 |
| asac | Makzu: then put a .mozconfig in the dir with the lines: | 15:53 |
| asac | ac_add_options --prefix=/home/asac/local_moz | 15:53 |
| asac | ac_add_options --enable-application=xulrunner | 15:53 |
| asac | ac_add_options --with-system-jpeg=/usr | 15:53 |
| asac | ac_add_options --with-system-zlib=/usr | 15:53 |
| asac | jcastro: webkitgtk is stuck in NEW ;) | 15:53 |
| asac | jcastro: in binary new | 15:53 |
| asac | jcastro: so ask seb ;) | 15:54 |
| asac | Makzu: adjust the --prefix for your own home | 15:55 |
| asac | Makzu: and use browser instead of xulrunner there ;) | 15:55 |
| asac | Makzu: then just run make -f client.mk build install | 15:55 |
| asac | Makzu: not sure why you want to put a .deb together | 15:56 |
| asac | Makzu: our packages are quite perfect and highly sophisticated | 15:56 |
| asac | Makzu: if you want dailies, we have them in a ppa :) | 15:56 |
| jcastro | asac: ah ok | 15:57 |
| Makzu | asac, I wanted to play around with a pgo build, is all | 15:58 |
| asac | jcastro: so we need to hold our breath for another day or so | 15:58 |
| jcastro | k | 15:59 |
| asac | Makzu: oh right. yeah. ok | 15:59 |
| Makzu | And to post the debs on the ubuntu forums for other people | 15:59 |
| asac | Makzu: plesae dont do that | 15:59 |
| asac | play around with it and provide feedback here. | 15:59 |
| jcastro | asac: this is less than ideal, people are waiting to test it so they can report bugs, but we'll deal with it. :-/ | 15:59 |
| gnomefreak | ok first smoke of the day be back | 15:59 |
| Makzu | I can do that too :) | 16:00 |
| asac | jcastro: i know. it was huats fault. he should have done two steps. i already talked to him. but be nice with him, he is new and has to learn. | 16:00 |
| asac | jcastro: ;) | 16:00 |
| asac | jcastro: and he learned the lesson now. so all is good | 16:00 |
| asac | Makzu: thanks. floating debs are really bad | 16:00 |
| jcastro | asac: yeah no worries, I know he was sick for a day too, I am not complaining when a MOTU does work. :D | 16:01 |
| asac | jcastro: hehe. he works. it was just an unfortunate glitch in the gwibber saga ;) | 16:01 |
| jcastro | it's worth it, jimmac's new theme is pretty hot | 16:02 |
| asac | jcastro: have you tried your modem with the latest jaunty NM yet? | 16:05 |
| Makzu | Would the sunspider benchmark be a good objective comparison tool for PGO vs non-PGO builds? | 16:05 |
| asac | Makzu: sunspider is more about javascript? | 16:05 |
| jcastro | asac: I never owned one, a friend did and he moved out of town, however, with a jailbroken iphone and pdanet for tethering it works great. | 16:05 |
| asac | jcastro: ah. ok now i remember | 16:05 |
| jcastro | I have some guys in the LoCo with them though, I will put out the word, what's the URL for the modem feedback again? | 16:06 |
| asac | jcastro: yes. we have a new modem prober which allows us to catch modems we havent put into hal-info | 16:06 |
| asac | jcastro: so the question is acutally: is your modem still detected | 16:06 |
| asac | and does it still work ;) | 16:07 |
| jcastro | ok, I will ask him to try with a live CD | 16:07 |
| asac | jcastro: also if there are suddelny more than one modem entries in applet i want to know ;) | 16:07 |
| asac | jcastro: thanks | 16:07 |
| asac | jcastro: but its in since a few days. so it needs to be a daily i guess | 16:07 |
| jcastro | ok | 16:08 |
| Makzu | asac: My idea was to run sunspider or a similar js benchmark while building the profile and compare before and after numbers.. I don't know if that would be overkill though | 16:09 |
| asac | Makzu: for experimenting that might be ok | 16:14 |
| asac | Makzu: but for real packages that doesnt make sense | 16:14 |
| asac | Makzu: as you will just be optimizing sunspider | 16:14 |
| asac | also the win you get that way will probably be far more than you get when running sunspider in a normal pgo build which uses a broad set of usecases | 16:15 |
| asac | to generate the pgo profile | 16:15 |
| asac | Makzu: imo just try a normal pgo build | 16:15 |
| asac | Makzu: firefox already has a default testcase for profiling | 16:16 |
| asac | that should be good | 16:16 |
| Makzu | Would that be the profileserver.py mentioned on the MDC article? | 16:16 |
| asac | yey | 16:17 |
| gnomefreak | anyone have that PGO bug handy? | 16:17 |
| Makzu | Is that generated when I build firefox, or do I have to fetch that from somewhere? | 16:17 |
| Makzu | #213708, I think | 16:18 |
| gnomefreak | fta: your the prism guy. would bug 337176 be prism more so than firefox? | 16:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 337176 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox ignore -app option when i try to load a prism webapp. xulrunner works ok" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337176 | 16:22 |
| gnomefreak | Makzu: thanks bug 213708 | 16:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 213708 in xulrunner-1.9 "Please compile Firefox with PGO optimizations" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213708 | 16:22 |
| gnomefreak | bug 338591 i really hate changin browsers | 16:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 338591 in firefox-3.0 "url with '-' character can't be resolved" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338591 | 16:31 |
| Makzu | asac, do I need to add mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR with the prefix specified, or will the prefix in ac_add_options work? | 16:31 |
| Makzu | wait, nvm, the prefix means I can run make install without worrying | 16:32 |
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| Makzu | Well, I'm going to let this build, then come back in with my findings | 16:51 |
| Makzu | Thanks for your help, asac and everyone else :) | 16:51 |
| gnomefreak | great i have upstream report but no LP report i had it :( | 16:52 |
| gnomefreak | holy shit i think email is finally done ;) only took ~3 hours (normal day to day email) | 17:17 |
| gnomefreak | smoke | 17:18 |
| gnomefreak | off for lunch | 17:30 |
| gnomefreak | what the hell is wrong with bzr? | 18:05 |
| gnomefreak | bzr builddeb is trying to grab upstream tarball when i already have it and changelog is right | 18:08 |
| gnomefreak | asac: can you look at this? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/631007 dpkg-buildpackage works fine | 18:16 |
| gnomefreak | ok i'm out im uploading sm2b1 to ppa and it is taking way too much bandwidth to do. | 18:32 |
| fta | d'oh! https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa | 19:57 |
| jdong | Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1b3pre and 1.9.1b3pre. | 20:09 |
| jdong | uhhh | 20:09 |
| fta | ppa? | 20:15 |
| fta | oh, gasp, i know, i'll fix it | 20:15 |
| jdong | yeah, umd ppa | 20:15 |
| jdong | thanks :) | 20:15 |
| * fta blames asac | 20:18 | |
| jdong | haha | 20:18 |
| fta | well, i blame mozilla | 20:25 |
| fta | to solve this for good, i would need a debian/control.in where i can update the xul deps automatically | 20:26 |
| fta | jdong, the other solution is to just wait for the corresponding firefox: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa (the red should turn green shortly) | 20:33 |
| jdong | neat | 20:34 |
| jdong | will keep my eyes peeled | 20:34 |
| fta | less red... | 20:59 |
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